WEBVTT - The OTP: Scouting the DL Class of 2020 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:13.800 Welcome to another very special edition of the OTP. I'm 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:18.080 Amy Wells, joined by the Draft duo coach Day McGinnis 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:20.840 and Rhett Brian. Hi guys, thanks for being here. Hi 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.680 Amy Wells, Hi Riett, Hello Coach Matt Amy. It's good 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:28.240 to be joined with both of y'all, looking forward to 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:34.239 another OTP and talking a little defensive linemen. Absolutely, we 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:37.880 are still remote, we are keeping a distance from each other, 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.920 but it is good to see your smiling faces via 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.639 the interwebs. But yes, RHTT, as you said, we are 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:48.000 talking defensive linemen, and I think that this is going 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.240 to be a really fun topic to come and talk 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:55.400 about because well, defensive line is kind of important. And Mac, 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.360 I want to start with you because you and I 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:02.840 were having some conversations before we did this podcast, trying to, 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.560 you know, get an understanding of what we're all thinking 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:09.520 about putting our notes together, and you had mentioned something 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:13.040 that really stuck with me. You mentioned that a lot 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:17.880 of these guys in this defensive line group could grade 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:22.720 a little differently, like four different teams teams. Teams could 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:26.119 grade them a little bit differently based on the flavor 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.880 that a team likes or needs explain that to me. 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:33.840 What does a team's flavor mean? Well, And first of all, 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.600 it depends on how you're going to deploy your front, 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.440 your front, you know, and your back you have to 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.720 be able to join together. But also your front can 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:44.559 be different. Are you gonna are you going to deploy 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.200 a three man front and play two gap people or 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.800 are you going to play a four man front or 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:54.160 a four man front that has shifted to a three 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.800 man front with movement? You know, what are you going 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.520 to do? What type of defense are you going to play? 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.800 From front to back? And that's what's important, because some 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.560 guys as defensive front people, some guys are better suited 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.800 to being two gap players. And what I mean by 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.839 two gap players is is they're able to fire off 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.880 into offensive linemen, hold the line of scrimmage and just 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:17.720 hold that gap and then let the linebackers or whoever 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.800 the drop down safeties are free flow to the gaps. 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.200 Some people like to use their defensive front as the 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.760 people to run those gaps and then let the linebackers 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.799 do what we call overlap, let them run out and 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:34.000 let him run from inside out to overlap once all 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.160 the gaps have been canceled and players have different abilities 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:40.360 to do this. And so depending on what your philosophy is, 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:44.000 and what's your defensive scheme philosophy is, there are different 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:47.840 types or flavors, as I said, of defensive linemen that 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.200 fit into your scheme. Now, Red, I want to start 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.760 with you and ask this question because we know there 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.639 are a lot of different positions within a defensive line. 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.840 A lot of different guys make up the initial line. 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:08.200 Our team's grading different positions differently and placing different values 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.720 on the different positions within that one line. I would 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:13.680 think so, And that's just kind of figgybacking off what 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.720 coach Mac just said there. And depending on what you're 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.200 set up is whether you're a three four defense and 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.560 you know you have basically a couple of d tackles 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.639 on either side the nose tackle in the middle, or 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:29.760 whether you're a four three defense. But yeah, absolutely, I 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:33.600 would think that anybody that can play in the nose 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.800 or a different shade technique and also be an edge 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.720 player up front, like a Jurrell Casey was certainly would 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.560 have a different kind of grade on them, not just 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.200 the athletic and the measurables part of it, but the 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:50.880 skill set in you know, as a whole. All right, now, Mac, 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.000 there seems to be a consensus that Auburn's Derek Brown 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.880 and South Carolina's Javon Kinlaw are the two top defensive 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.880 tackles in this group. What is it about these two 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.880 guys that sets them apart from everyone else in that group? 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.960 You know, both of these guys, amy are able to 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.720 play the run and the past, you know, pretty pretty 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:13.040 much equally. Well, they're both They're both big physical guys. 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.680 They've got really good extension. In other words, they can 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.120 make they can move the line of scrimmage. Now, what 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:20.880 you're always talking about with the line of scrimmage offensively 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.440 or defensively is that if you're being successful, you want 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:26.960 to play on the other person's side of the line 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.120 of scrimmage. Both of these guys have a lot of 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.000 knock back to him. Brown is a little bit different 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.560 in the fact that he is really really stout, you know, 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:38.880 against the run, and he's a really good horizontal player 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.920 once he gets through the line of scrimmage. His chaseability 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.520 at his size is really good. Ken Law is longer 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.440 than Brown is. He's longer's got more extension to him, 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.360 but still he is a disruptor. And both of these 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.880 guys can be centerpieces for defensive fronts, you know, for 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.960 your for your team, and that's why I think both 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.800 of them. And plus they've both produced boost at a 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:06.600 high level at a premier NCAA level. They're both Southeastern 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:10.279 Conference players that week after week after week are playing 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.200 against more of the same type of people they would 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.440 be competing against in the National Football League, and so 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.680 you've got a pretty good idea of what they can 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.040 do on a consistent basis with their size, their knocked back, 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:26.520 their length, and their athletic ability. Right, are there other 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:31.080 defensive linemen that may not be of that elite status 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.240 but still be of the caliber to be going in 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:37.720 the first round? Absolutely there are, And after Javon ken 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.440 Law and Derek Brown, there's a group of really good 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.760 guys in there that would be in the middle to 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:48.440 bottom of the first round, probably in another tier down. 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.200 But you're talking about a guy like a Ross Blacklock 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:56.680 from TCU or At Gallimore from Canada who played at 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:00.279 Oklahoma who's still kind of learning the position. And there's 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.920 some other guys also, a Marlon Davidson of Auburn who 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.640 played with Derek Brown his teammate there. And then there's 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.880 guys on down the line McTelvin, a gene from Arkansas. 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.400 And then we get into the lay rounds with you know, 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.080 guys like the twins from Nebraska, Carlos and Khalil Davis. 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.680 There's some guys throughout this thing, but the first two 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:21.880 that we mentioned are the top of the tier, and 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.320 then there's some really good ones right after that in 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.599 the middle of the bottom of the first round. Mac, 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:28.839 what about you, Are there any guys that you think 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.839 are of first round caliber? You know what, I think 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:35.880 He's He's covered most of those. My next guy after 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.200 Brown and Kenlaw would be Blacklock. And Blacklock. You know, 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.640 you hear sometimes Amy and for our listeners on the OTP, 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.520 you hear about guys that are making moves, you know, 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.360 before the draft, are coming up before the draft. Blacklock 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.040 is one of those guys. And the more you watch Blacklock, 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.400 I mean when you watch him in Gary Patterson's defense, 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.159 he played out of a four point stance, which means 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.000 in that defense he had you talked about different flays. 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.040 He had both hands on the ground and he was 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.160 charged sometimes with two gapping things. But you can just 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:11.120 envision his ability and his athletic ability if you get 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.760 him into a three point stands, whether it's a right 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.320 hand or a left handed three point stands, that this 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.360 guy could play in either an even or an odd front. 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.760 And so his stock has been rising throughout this draft. 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:24.920 But I think Red has hit has hit most of 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.960 those guys, and to me, any of the other names 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:32.160 would be after first round picks, but Blacklock. Blacklock may 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:36.160 not go in the first round, but to me as 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.760 a riser, we still got some time before the draft 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.400 shows up. And again Amy depending on what people do 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:47.000 between now and the draft with their depth and defensive fronts, 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:51.000 that helps guys rising the draft also. But Blacklock is 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.160 my main guy that I think belongs really close to 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.960 those other two we just mentioned. Now, Mac, I want 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.680 to ask you something before we continue on, because you 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.960 would mentioned hand placement, two hands on the ground, We 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.280 talk about one hand on the ground, right hand, left hand, 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:09.240 all of these different things. Explain for our listeners what 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.080 that means and how that can impact the way that 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.680 you evaluate a player. Well, I mean, first of all, 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.000 you know when you're watching a player, and a lot 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.160 of these guys I mean, they have to do what 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.680 their college system, you know, charges them to do. You know, 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.880 you see very, very seldom well you see a defensive 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.480 lineman in the National Football League play out of a 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.960 four point stance with both hands on the ground. The 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.720 only time you really see that is in short yardage 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.560 or goal line situations where they're trying to anchor down 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.600 to get all four points on the ground and be 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.640 able to just play knocked back. They're not really trying 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.240 to do anything other than get knocked back. But to 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.360 be to be able to be a multiple defensive lineman 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.080 in the National Football League gaming, you've got to be 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.199 able to rush the passer. And you to rush the passer, 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.000 you do it one or two ways. You do it 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.760 in a right handed stance or a left handed stance, 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.400 and that depends on which hand is up and which 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.560 foot is by all right, and a lot of that 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:03.640 depends on what side of the line of scrimmage you 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.480 play on, and sometimes it depends on some of us 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.200 are left handed, some of us are right hand dominant. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.959 A lot of that depends on that. But to me, 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.400 when you're watching somebody play, you don't ever, you don't 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:20.480 ever grate anybody down from the way they play in college, 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.000 because you don't know for sure, and you might know, 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.079 but they have to do what their defense requires them 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.600 to do. At that point. What you're trying to do 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.160 is look at traits that you know you can get 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.480 a hold of and can help them and mow them 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.840 doing not only what you want to do, but maybe 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:39.199 can accentuate their ability in some areas a little better. 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.040 All right, Ratt, Let's talk about some of these Day 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.400 two picks. I would assume that there are a lot 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.880 of guys that teams could get in that day two. 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.840 I think when you start talking about day two in 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:54.559 the rounds two going into three, the leader in the clubhouse, 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.160 if let's just say that all the guys we mentioned, 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.640 the Ross, Ross, Blacklocks, Nevil Gallimore, and top guys are 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:04.000 already taken at that point. Justin Mattabouquet from Texas A 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.160 and M I think, is one of the top guys 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.200 on the next day when you're going forward. He's a 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.400 guy six two sixty three and change three hundred and 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:16.520 some odd pounds, showed really good first explosive step and 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.360 his measurables at the combine. Had a nice year in 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.240 A and m's defense. And he is a guy that 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.280 I think is on a lot of folks radar. If 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.360 this is a position not only of need, but for 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.719 depth there, it has a chance to contribute pretty early on. 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.800 And I mentioned Marlon Davidson who was Derek Brown's team 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.760 late at Auburn. He would be somebody right there in 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.199 that second to third round that would be hanging around. Now, Mac, 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.160 what about players that maybe on the bubble and that 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:47.720 could end up being really good value players for any 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.720 NFL team? Yeah, you know, Rex mentioned those guys that 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.160 look and now again we're back into flavor. I mean, 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:56.439 what do you what do you really want? I mean, 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.559 there's a guy. There's a guy named Laurell Murchison that's 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.880 at North air Line of State six two, two hundred 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.040 and ninety four pounds. He's a red shirt senior. He 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.800 needs upper body's strength. He plays a little bit upright, 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:10.000 but he's got some contact balance and you know he's 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.679 under sized. He lacks a strong anchor. But if you 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.000 if you're gonna move your defensive front, this is a 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.280 guy you might want. The guy on the other end 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.000 of that spectrum, Amy, let's talk about a guy named 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:23.320 leaky Foetu from from Utah. Now, this is a six five, 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:27.000 three hundred and thirty seven pound guy. He's number ninety 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:30.600 nine there. He's got size, he's got tremendous upper body's strength. 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.560 He's got a good motor. He's got explosion. I'm reading 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.840 off my report explosion for player his size. He plays 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.480 a little upright, which a lot of big guys do 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:41.560 because they think they can just stand up kind of 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.000 like a bear just mall people. You know, he needs 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.080 to keep his pads down, but he's got he's got 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.199 some hit and need ben He's got a high cut frame, 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.840 but he's got long arms, strong hands. He's a strong 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.320 run defender. So if you're looking for a guy that 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.280 you want to be able to set the anchor, you 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:00.599 know in a two down system, you're not going to 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:02.360 get a whole lot of pass rush out of him, 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.280 you know, in a sub package. But then again, flavor, 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.559 depending on what you want. Those are kind of two 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:09.640 guys you know that I would say in the third 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:11.640 one that I might go in there. This is for you, 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.880 Amy Jordan Elliott, Adam Missouri. There you go. He's a 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.400 red shirt. He's a red shirt junior and he's got 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.800 some quickness. Okay, now there's a lot to his game 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.120 that he's got to refine, but he's another guy that 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.320 you might want to look at. And the last guy 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:31.080 for me is Jason Strowbridge from North Carolina. Jason Strowbridge 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.440 is six four, two hundred and sixty seven pounds. He's 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.679 a red shirt senior. He's long, he's large, He's an 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.960 interior player. He'd be a five technique, which is which 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.640 is playing on the outside shoulder of a tackle in 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.240 a three four front. To me, that's what he would be, 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.560 and he just needs more lower bodied master anchor. But 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.880 he's got some quickness and some traits to develop. And 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.520 so any of these guys we're talking about down through 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.120 the belly of the draft, you're gonna have to develop 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.240 some of these They're not ready made guys. None of 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.200 these guys are ready He may, but you're gonna have 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.800 to develop a few more of these traits. RTT, do 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.280 you have any value players. Another one that I didn't 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:11.199 mention that is raised ranking wise pretty high, but I 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.720 think isn't as fluid an athlete, but as one of 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.920 the biggest guys at this position is Riguan Davis from 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:21.760 Alabama six seven, three hundred and twelve pounds, so he 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.080 can eat up space. He's just not as fluid in 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.640 the hips an explosion that you'd like to see, But 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.679 I think there's some developmental things there that you can 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.000 do to help him in his particular role. He would 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.480 be a guy that I would think would be a 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:41.240 developmental spot right there that you could bring somebody along 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:45.520 who played in a big college program system and be 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.160 a value there. And later on in the draft I 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:52.960 mentioned McTelvin, a gene from Arkansas. He's a developmental D 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:56.400 lineman had a lot of groom to grow for him 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.840 in this position because he played outside in twenty eighteen, 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.320 moved to inside on that D line last year in 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:07.040 Arkansas's defense, so he's still got some upside and learning there. 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:12.040 And then the data's twins from Nebraska, Khalil and Carlos 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:16.200 both ran two of the three fastest times for D 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.080 lineman at this year's combines, so there's some explosion and 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.400 speed there. Justin Mattabuque would be the guy who ran 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.400 the fastest from A and M, but they're both blue 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:29.240 collar guys from a big time program in Nebraska. And 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:33.560 both are developmental but might have some upside to them 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.560 because they have some explosion and power. Now, Coach Mac, 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.840 give me a player two that may have really caught 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.760 your eye, someone that maybe Titans fans should make sure 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.560 that they're aware of and keep their eyes on. Well 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.400 I mean, if you want to talk about later on. 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.720 And again, as I said, we've we've gone pretty deep 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.880 into these defensive tackles. Amy, You've made us dig pretty deep, 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.120 which is good. You're doing your job. No, that's a 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.360 good thing. I mean, this is like we are having 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.680 our own personal draft meetings right now. That's what we're doing. 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:07.240 Amy Wells is John Robinson and she is quizzing her 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.760 road scouts Coach Mack and Rhet Bryan. So she's doing 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.640 a great job of this. How about Rochard Lawrence at 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.560 LSU six two and a half, three hundred and eleven pounds, 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.000 he's down the line. He's a down the line guy. 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.760 We've already mentioned Chauncey Rivers from Mississippi State. There's a 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.840 guy at Old miss named Josiah Cotney that's sixty three, 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.280 three hundred and eleven pounds. None of these guys are 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.080 ready made players, but they are guys that have played 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.080 at you at big universities, and they've played at a 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.680 fairly high level. And so again, look when people start 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.160 being drafted, and we've all experienced the draft, and so 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.520 have our OTP listeners, those names start coming off the 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:47.200 board really really quick. So that's why. And again, as 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.760 I said, Amy Wells, you're doing a good job as 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:53.120 John Robinson taking us deep into the people we've looked 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.680 at to try to get at least names out there 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:57.960 if it comes up that you need a defensive linement 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.920 on the third day. I've always considered myself the general 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.400 manager of this podcast just overall. So and so this 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:09.040 is perfect where les quite well rhet what about you. 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:10.960 Do you have any guys that people should be watching? 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.640 You know, there is a couple of names, uh, and 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.400 he hits some that I was thinking about. But James 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.240 Lynch from Baylor is a guy in this who's six four, 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:27.400 two eighty five and a smart football IQ guy doesn't 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.080 have all of the athletic measurables that you'd like, but 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.160 I think he has the experience and he's played in 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.880 some different spots. He'd be somebody I would have paid 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.880 attention to. H and I'll tell you one that is 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:43.360 a developmental guy that is getting some folks attention is 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:47.400 Bravy on Roy from Baylor. He's not prototypical size for 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.280 a nose tackle, he's six one three twenty, but he 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:54.520 has a really good first step and he's very athletic. 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.640 I think he's a guy that if somebody was looking 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.400 at a late Day three pick might take a flyer 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.600 on somebody like that to develop, maybe on their taxi 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.679 squad or even you know, trying to put into busting 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.440 the roster if he does well. Now let's bring this 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.639 into context a little bit. Let's talk about the Tennessee Titans. 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.080 How has free agency and some of the moves have 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:20.080 reportedly been made. How is that going to impact the 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:24.040 way that the Tennessee Titans approach this specific position in 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.760 the upcoming draft. Mac, I'll start with you, okay, I 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.000 mean it's going to because you've seen already. I mean, 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.879 and as you said, reportedly, that's what we have to 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.200 say right now. You know, reportedly, you know they're they're 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:36.640 getting depth players right now on the on the interior. 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.160 That's what they're that's what they're going with. Of course, 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.800 clearly with Jarell Casey no longer being in there. With 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.680 Jeffrey Simmons moving up into into a lead role, de 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.239 Kwon Jones is still there. You know now they're now 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.440 they're adding depth players. But here's here's what you do. 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:55.240 Just like Jeffrey Simmons was drafted when Jarell Casey was 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.560 still here, you still have to be able to fortify 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:02.320 your defensive from with players that you're looking at long 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:06.679 term issues on, you're looking at long term processes with, 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.200 and so it will impact it some, but I still 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.600 believe that they will go after one or two interior 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:17.240 defensive lineman. You know in this in this not only 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.760 this draft, but when I talk about draft, I'm talking 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:23.480 about the entire draft process, because you know, we're there's 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.600 a big list of these guys that were at the 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.080 combine that I sat and watched a lot of names 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.919 we haven't even mentioned right now that that will be 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.520 free agents that you will be able to go and get. 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:35.800 You know, the Titans are sitting there right now with 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:39.680 three seventh round picks. When you've got three seventh round picks, 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:43.080 once you start looking at your board horizontally and deciding 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.680 that if this group is deeper than the rest of them. 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:48.080 Towards the end of the draft, we might load up 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.480 with a couple of them. And so, look, you can 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:54.200 never have too many big men. You really cannot, because 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.280 you need you need big men not only in training camp, 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:00.879 but during the course of the season. We've all experienced 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.520 and have seen because of the constant physical banging that 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.400 these guys do, I mean they can are consistently. Your 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.080 rate of a chance for injury, either short term or 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.240 longer term is pretty high because that's that's a physical 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.400 contact position, both on the offensive and the defensive side 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:21.160 of the ball continuously, and so you've got to have bodies. 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:25.040 And it's not just Jurrell Casey in this too, because 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.280 it's also been reported that Austin Johnson, the former second 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:32.080 round pick in twenty sixteen, is now a New York Giant. 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.640 Of course, he's a New Jersey native, and it's reported 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:38.359 that he is gone and is now playing in the NFC. 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:40.960 So if you've got a couple of bodies gone in 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.159 this whole equation, then it does create a hole in 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:46.840 a need in things. And I'm looking through the list 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.080 of free agent interior defensive lineman. They're still left and 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.240 nothing jumps off the page. But you know, John Robinson 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.480 always keeps notebooks like coach Mack does in terms of 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:00.000 looking at guys that he's previously vetted in previous drafts 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.440 and what kind of works best for what they're doing. 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:06.080 And Mike Gravel's defense in this whole thing, I certainly 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:09.679 think that it'll be a focus in this draft because 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.360 you're going to need to replace some things, and your 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:14.320 coach Max said the best you've got to have big 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.840 men up front. You have to. Now I want to 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.960 hear from both of you on this. In your opinion, 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:24.600 is defensive line one of the most important positions for 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:28.199 the Tennessee Titans to address in the twenty twenty offseason. 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.800 Go Mac all right, I'll go to me. No, And look, 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.520 it's it's a it's a it's a pertinent question. But 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:39.880 to me, when you start talking about most important, let's 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.000 talk about the game of football just for a minute, 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:44.639 real quick. The game of football is probably one of 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.720 the most unique sports that's played because you've got all 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.879 different body types playing all different types of positions and 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:54.920 they all have to interconnect with one another. So really, 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:58.439 to say one is more important than the other. You 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:01.320 can't say that what you hand say is at the 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:05.159 particular time with your particular team. Are your needs a 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:08.640 little bit greater at one position than they are at 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:11.639 the other? I will I will answer this question this way. 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:14.719 When I was making picks, I always wanted to be 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:17.560 sure that I had big men on both sides of 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:20.359