WEBVTT - TechStuff Classic: Old Tech Never Dies 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.160 Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:13.880 stuff works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:16.919 I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:18.840 How Stuff Works, and I heart radio and I love 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.160 all things tech, and it is time for a tech 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:28.400 Stuff Classic episode. Today's classic episode originally published on March five, 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:33.520 two thousand twelve. Chris Pallette, my beloved original co host, 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:39.320 sat down with me to talk about legacy technology. Legacy systems. 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.920 These would be old computer systems that are no longer 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.760 supported necessarily but still need to stick around for one 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.640 reason or another. So we have our conversation here about 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.880 what legacy tech is and why it still exists. It's 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.320 in an episode that was titled Old Tech Never Dies. 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:02.240 I hope you enjoy are episode today comes courtesy of 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.920 a listener, and this one is a message from Twitter. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:12.160 So let's hear that tweeting sound effect. I think I 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:16.200 actually heard our producers say, do do out there? Tweet 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.640 tweet tweet lovely. I hope that. I hope that's what 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.600 we use. Anyway, I won't know until I get to 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.920 listen to this later. But this comes to us from 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.959 Wayne P. Seventy two, who says I would love to 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.240 hear a show on old tech that won't go away. 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.920 I E The Facts. Well, we are going to do 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:39.480 an episode about that, but not one on just the Facts. 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.919 I wanted to do that. You know, we might get sued. 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.000 I was wondering. I was looking at him like, is 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:52.080 he gonna do it? He's none our guy Friday. So anyway, 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.760 we are going to talk about technology that a lot 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.560 of people feel, or at least some people feel, or 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.000 at least we at tex stuff feel has run its 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.280 course and yet it's still around. Yes, and The Facts 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.320 is one of those. So we actually had a couple 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:10.160 that we thought about that we ended up deciding not 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.080 to include in this list, but we should go ahead 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.800 and mention them because a couple of years ago they 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.840 may have made the list. Yeah, that's true. And it's 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.440 funny because right before we were we were going to record, 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.440 we were talking about how we had done an episode 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.880 on abandoned ware, which is stuff that, uh, people just 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.000 give up on. Yeah, usually it's a company that gives 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.320 up on it, but yeah, it's the stuff that people 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.840 no longer even bother using, and it's just sort of 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:38.120 part of history. This is the opposite people will not 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.720 let go of. And the two that we were thinking 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.000 of that we did not include because we just feel 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.400 that they've both kind of faded away enough so that 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:50.160 it's a very small percentage of people that still hold 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.639 onto These are pages, which you know, sometimes some people 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:57.040 are a few people, especially folks in like the medical 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.640 field or whatever, we'll still use them, but pages are 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.320 pretty much been replaced by cell phones and smartphones, and 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:08.520 p d as also replaced primarily by smartphones personal digital 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.040 assistance not a public displaces of affection. Those will never 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:14.280 go out of style smoogy smodgy. So those are the 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.200 two that we almost included but didn't because we feel 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.200 that there's just not enough of a population supporting them 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:25.040 to merit being on this list. So since Wayne brought 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.280 this up, we probably should go ahead and start with 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:31.280 fax machines. Yes, and yeah, I mean the fax machine 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.800 still used in many many offices. You still see people's 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:38.360 facts numbers. You know, there's one out there in the office. 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.040 I've actually used it quite a few times. Yep, yep. 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.480 But the thing is, I mean, well, it uses you know, 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:47.120 of course, it uses a similar imaging technology to a 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.880 scanner or a copier machine. Um, there's nothing really wrong 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.120 with it. It Uh, you know, it has a modem. 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.600 That's the that's part of the problem. I think it 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:58.480 has a mote a minute. And uh you know when 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.760 you when you scan some stuff in it saves it 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:02.920 in memory. These days it does anyway. You don't have 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:04.640 to put it in one page at a time, although 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.640 you used to, um where you put it on there 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.240 and it would it dials the number. It makes a 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:12.440 connection with the fax machine on the other side, just 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:16.640 like you would uh with a dial up internet connection. Um. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:18.680 You know, there's a handshake between the two devices. They 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:21.559 agree on the protocol and it says, okay, go ahead 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.839 and send your whatever message this is going to be. 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:28.279 And uh, you know, the facts either takes the information 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.919 from memory or it scans each page individually and sends 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:37.120 it along down the line really slowly. Receiving machine receives 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:41.520 that information, decodes, it changes it into the type of 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.400 information it needs in order to print prints to some paper. 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.520 And then you have the facts on the other end, 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.080 which somebody puts in a tray and it never gets 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:51.680 to the person that's supposed to Could you ever have 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.160 to use a fax machine that had a roll of 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.599 paper as a wasted individual sheets. Yeah, they had the 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:00.960 thermal printers and of course that that just curls up. Also, 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:08.080 it's yes, I do not miss those days. So today 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.960 we write. What we could do is, let's say we 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.040 have a scanner and we just scan a document in 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.719 and send it via change it over to say a 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:21.279 PDF format, which is readily available. It's easy to find 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.560 a reader for PDF. A lot of free reader a 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.919 free reader, and a lot of word processing programs and 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:31.600 things are capable of reading a PDF file and uh, 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.200 you just send that via email and you don't have 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.600 to worry about wasting paper or any of that mess 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.159 Or if say a fact machine is busy with a 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.560 with a call, then you won't get a rejection and 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.480 have to try it again. That's another thing that can 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.000 be kind of irritating with sending a fact. Let's say 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.640 you've got like a twenty page facts and you start 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.960 going through and you don't know until it's gone through 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.159 all twenty pages stored in a memory, and tried to 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.200 send it that it didn't go through successfully. Maybe you 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.120 didn't put in the numb correctly, Maybe the machine on 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.920 the other end, is not turned on properly, or it's 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.800 or it's busy, and then you have to try and 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:11.760 do it again. Yes, it's so irritating, but then you know, yeah, 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:16.120 scanning it and sending it by via PDF much much 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.640 more paper friendly anyway, you don't have to worry about 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.800 wasting so much paper, and also it's not so time consuming. 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.600 That being said, I still facts things because often some 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.960 of the conferences I go to request that they send 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.840 credentials and I have to send them via fax. Uh, 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.719 not all of them except email. Plus, depending upon your 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.000 access to a scanner or a copier that can have 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:43.400 scanning functionality, you may not have that luxury. So I 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.400 think fax machine is kind of borderline on this. Because 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.120 there is technology out there that can do stuff that 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.960 would replace the fax machine. I don't know that it's 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:57.440 propagated widely enough yet for it to really happen, especially 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.760 for small businesses. For large businesses, almost all of them 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:04.240 have some sort of scanner or copier that can can 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:06.719 replace a fax machine. I think we're on the verge 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:10.640 really of this this being a technology that's like that, 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.880 but it's it's far enough along the way that you could, 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:15.960 you could make the argument. I think it's a value, 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.760 a valid argument to include it on this list. But 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.640 there's some other stuff I think that that merits that 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.520 hit me with one. Well, this one is also on 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:31.239 the verge. Landlines. Yeah, landlines. Again, more and more people 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.920 are abandoning a landline in favor of just having a 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.000 cell phone because you know, for one thing, a lot 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:39.880 of people don't want to have to deal with two 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:44.480 different phone bills or have like something packaged up where 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.760 they have fewer choices. You know, there are a lot 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.480 of services out there that will package a cell phone 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:55.800 and landline, uh, offering right where you can get a bundle. Yeah, 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:57.960 you can get a bundle, but then you are limited 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:01.280 to whatever options they have. You don't. You can't just 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.400 go out and say, oh, I happen to really love 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.720 this one particular phone, I want that to go with 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.360 this plan. That's not the way that works. Yeah. As 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.320 a matter of fact, I think you see that primarily 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.720 from companies that offer both land lines, and you know 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:15.760 that you don't see a lot of cellphone providers going, hey, 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.120 you know what we're gonna get into the landline business. Yeah, 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.240 it's not well, it's kind of hard to edge into that, 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.760 but yeah, landlines are starting to kind of disappear now. 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:28.080 There are some legitimate reasons why keeping a landline around. 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.640 It's not a bad idea, like emergency calls. Emergency calls 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.400 is a big one because your call can be traced 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.560 to your location very easily over a landline, so that 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:42.120 let's say there's an emergency where you can't even vocalize maybe, 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:46.360 which can happen sometimes dialing an emergency number that's all 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.559 you might be able to do. Well with a landline, 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.240 they are going to be able to find you. With 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.040 a cell phone or smartphone, they may not be able 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.199 to get your location as accurately as they could with 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:00.960 over a landline or even a voipe line. You'll find 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.559 out that a lot of voice services have issues with 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.920 calling emergency services. That being said that you can usually 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.960 get a landline phone and plug it into any outlet 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.000 and it will still allow you to make emergency calls 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.000 even if you don't have a landline account, so you 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:17.760 can still make a call to it well. In the 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.240 United States, a call to nine one one, for example, 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:24.560 UM and the UK, that number is really really long one. 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.520 According to the I T. Crowd and you have to 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:31.040 sing it to a song anyway. Uh, yeah, I know. 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.640 It's it's an episode that anyone who's watched The I 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.040 T Crowd will get that. Anyone who hasn't, you should 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.440 go watch the I T Crowd because it's awesome or 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:43.000 the Crowd if you prefer anyway. The The other reason 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:48.520 besides for emergencies is uh is that it's something that 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:53.360 if there's a power outage on cell service, you haven't 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:57.400 you have an alternate means of communication. So not just 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:01.080 personal emergencies, but regional emerg agencies. It's a good thing 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.880 to have. That being said, I think there it is 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:08.280 more common to run into people who have just adopted 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:12.360 the cell phone only approach. I mean my household is 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:16.160 that way, so yeah, I can take it with you. 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.840 And you know, you you have your phone no matter 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:20.760 where you are, so when you're at home, you have 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.199 your phone. Well, then then the phone itself is really 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.839 for a lot of people, and myself included, it's it's 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.760 transitioning into a device that I used to access the 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:35.360 Internet more than I used to for voice communication. Because 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.640 almost all my communication now or a lot of my 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:43.280 communication now is through text messages, email and social networking services. 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.440 It's it's you know, I usually make two or three 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.040 calls a day, but they're very short, and they're usually 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:53.040 between me and my wife, Um, mostly me apologizing for 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.800 something stupid I've done. I'm sorry, baby, that's all every 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:01.400 single conversation starts. It's a main thing. I've actually heard 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:05.920 one side of that conversation before. Yeah, yeah, it's not 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.800 a rare thing. So so do you have a list? 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:17.199 How about this calculators and adding machines, because computers do it, 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.520 smartphones do it. I mean you've got the birds and 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.480 bees do it. You got a lot of calculators built 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.679 into other devices, So to see a standalone calculator is 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.400 kind of interesting in the sense, you know, we have that, 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:32.040 we have the technology at our fingertips almost all the time, 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.600 So why do we need stand alone calculators apart from 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.760 scientific calculators, which I mean calculator A lot of a lot. Again, 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:40.800 a lot of computers and smartphones can do that. You 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.760 just have to get the apps for it. But I 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:47.040 can understand someone wanting one of those as opposed to 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:51.520 a phone. And there's certain applications where I can I 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.439 can be a little more lenient. For example, let's say 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.400 that you are in a university class and you have 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:02.280 a final, and you're allowed to have a calculator next 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:06.000 to your your work on your final, you might not 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.240 be allowed to have a smartphone because you might use 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.400 the smartphone to cheat. Right, So in that case, I can. 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.880 That's that's a specific case where I'm like, all right, 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.320 I understand that. But for a lot of the things 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.800 that we use calculators for, either a calculator program on 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.920 a computer or smartphone or spreadsheet can do all of 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.439 that work. Sometimes in a way that's much easier because 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:29.000 you can do things like in a spreadsheet, you can 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.559 copy and paste formulas so that you don't have to 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:33.840 keep entering in the same thing over and over for 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.120 different calculations. You just you just cutting paste or copy 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:41.520 and paste rather not cutting paste. Um. So to me though, 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:45.120 that's another old technology that I'm surprised is still around, 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:49.079 at least in the at the level that it's still around. 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.120 How about you gut another one? Well, um, to stick 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:57.000 with our earlier topic, the phone book. Ah, yes, the 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.800 yellow pages. Why why does that exist? Why are we 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:06.880 killing trees? Well, because not everyone has access to the uh, 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:11.800 you know, the Internet, although you could argue that they 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.520 would also have access to it, um, you know, by 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.440 calling and you know, checking in with that directory assistance. 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.600 I think though that, you know, I think that's a 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.560 safe argument for printing the phone book. Now the question 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.120 is do they need to here in the United States. 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:28.520 I don't know how they do it everywhere else in 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.120 the world. Here in the United States, at least where 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.240 we are, they deliver a phone book to everybody's house. 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.280 There should be an opt out, yes, what it would 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.800 be nice to have people, uh opt in, So yes, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.400 I do want the phone book, or really an opt 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.920 out would probably be better. But that way you can 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:46.920 start with, Yeah, that way you could say, you know, 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:48.880 I've got the Internet, I can look up stuff on 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.800 their uh, I've got all the numbers I need of 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.640 the friends I have. UM, A lot of my friends 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.440 aren't listed in the phone book, you know, they don't 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:02.600 want to be listed there. So the businesses almost all 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.640 have some sort of web presence and need that they don't. 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.760 There are a lot of online directories that take the 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.280 place of Yellow Pages. So yeah, that's one of those 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:13.880 things where I think I would love to not receive that. Now, 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.320 it does raise the question that if we were to 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:21.040 enact that we being christened myself, you know, because we 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.480 have that kind of power. So tech stuff enacts this 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.120 thing where we were able to opt out of the 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:31.560 Yellow Pages delivery. If enough people opted out, then would 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.880 that change the economy of scale of producing the Yellow 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:40.000 Pages so that producing a fewer amount for for the 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.680 people who stay in is actually more expensive per book. 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:46.320 And therefore it becomes a problem, uh to fund the 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.800 printing of the Yellow Pages. Yeah, yeah, well, of course 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.040 part of the we make it up in volume is 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.520 what I'm saying. Part of the part of the problem 0:14:54.520 --> 0:15:00.000 there is that the Yellow Pages makes its money from advertising. Um, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.240 those those big ads that did you see on different 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.040 places for you know, when you go look up the 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:08.360 plumber or or somebody else moving company and you see 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.440 the full page ads they paid, you know, to reach 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.080 a certain number of people. All we're going to print 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.320 two million copies of this Okay, maybe that that's kind 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.200 of large. There, We're gonna print five thousand copies of this, 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.680 UM and so your your ad is going to be 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:27.240 there in everyone's home that we deliver this to UM. 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:29.480 If they said Okay, well, we're only going to print 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.720 ten thousand of these books for people who really need them. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:36.160 Then the advertise they can't command that kind of price. Yeah, 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.200 that's true. So you know, I don't think we're going 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.320 to be able to talk him out of dropping them 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.400 off on our door because I promptly put them in 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.440 the recycle bin. But yeah, so here's here's a similar 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.680 thing to that, you know, in the sense that you know, 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.440 I know the reason why they're still around. But it's 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:57.120 kind of again a dying thing. CDs that you need 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:01.000 to install programs. Yes, and they're they're really similar when 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.600 you get right down to it. Um. In both cases, 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.440 not everyone has the technology they need to get the 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:11.840 information an alternative, alternate way. But but yeah, for a 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.320 lot of people, they're buying computers now that may not 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:18.200 even have an optical drive, so there's no use for 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.960 that CD. It's just it's or DVD or DVD. Yeah, 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.440 it's just taking up space because there's no way to 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.080 put that in your machine you want. You would needs 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.320 some sort of USB drive, or you would have to 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:35.120 connect to the internet and download whatever drivers you might 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.440 need for something. As opposed to having a CD for it, 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.200 and um, I would love to see thumb drives take 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.200 the place of those just for saving space. Plus the 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.560 fact that if you can wipe whatever is on that 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.920 thumb drive off if you don't need it, then you've 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.200 got some extra storage space. I'm not saying that I 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.200 do that frequently. I'm just saying I've got a lot 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:59.560 of thumb drives. Yeah, yeah, with a lot of logos 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.360 on them. Well that we're getting towards the end of 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:08.000 my list, to the point where, um, I've got it. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.240 I've got more on here. But those are the things 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.080 that we've talked about so far. Um, are things that 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:16.159 we sort of think about that um, you know why 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.680 and why do people have that? Then you realize that, well, 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.800 really there are quite quite a number of people that 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.000 still depend on those, you know, more of those real sure, 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.000 because I have CDs and DVDs in general, Yeah, I 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.640 think fall into that category. Uh, and even blue rays 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:35.440 at some to some extent, Um, I think these are 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.640 not as far along say the Yellow Pages, but uh, yeah, 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.120 I mean, and a lot of companies are very concerned 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.520 about the fact that these are technologies that are slowly 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:52.080 becoming obsolete and uh, digital distribution is becoming the the 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:57.280 like buzz phrase for entertainment. Uh, and that causes concern 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:03.119 for multiple industries. Right. Well, Netflix think it's awesome. Well, 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:05.760 the thing is, though, they tripped on it because on 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.159 this very thing, because they were ready to move to 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:12.760 US digital distribution to people are not ready yet. Yeah, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.639 there is a balance you have to strike between pushing 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:19.680 people toward a new technology and writing out the waves 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.639 so that you don't alienate your customer base. Right. But 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.240 the people I think, or the organizations I think, are 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:26.919 really concerned with this. You have the m p a 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.840 A the r i a A. So that's the Motion 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.280 Picture Association of America and the Recording Industry Association America. 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.960 So you've got these two different major organizations that have 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.240 lots and lots of really big companies in them, and 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.239 they're very much concerned about this because they make a 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:47.119 lot of money selling physical media, actual physical products that 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:53.960 have content on them, whether the movies, television shows, music, whatever, books, books. 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.520 So moving from that to a digital one scares a 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:01.000 lot of companies for legitimate reason, legitimate reasons. We're not 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.640 saying that there. They shouldn't be scared. Um, And then 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:08.359 you've got retail organizations. So we've already seen in the 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.480 United States several retail organizations in the last few years 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:15.200 go belly up because they cannot compete with the digital 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.879 distribution method. You know, it's hard to find a record 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.120 store anymore. Right, Well, you walk into a Best Buy 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.840 and suddenly all the music and movies aren't front and 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.200 center like they used to be. You know, it used 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.520 to be that as soon as you walked into the store, 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.320 all of that was front loaded right there at the 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.440 very beginning of the store, so you had to walk 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:38.200 through it. Well, as digital distribution gets more and more popular, 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.440 that section moves further and further back in the store. 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.760 And there's a reason for that. It's because you can't 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:46.520 have that be the focus of your store when that 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:52.640 whole business model is starting to deteriorate. So I put 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.840 that along the same lines as the installation CDs and 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.440 the Yellow Pages. It's just it's not quite far as 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.119 far along. I mean, again, if you don't have a 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:04.479 broadband connection, then physical media is the way to go, 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.760 because you just you cannot physically get the information you 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:09.920 need to be able to watch the content or listen 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.720 to the content you want and a a good enough quality. 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.439 Otherwise you're gonna be buffering every thirty seconds. Trust me, 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:23.120 I know what I'm talking about. Until recently that was me. Yeah. Um. 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.919 Then there are other technologies that I think kind of 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:30.119 died out and then came back. Well, there's one that 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.520 needs to go, especially here in the United States. Hit 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:37.720 me incandescent lightbulbs. It's a good one. I didn't have 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.760 that on my list. Yeah, the good old light bulb 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:46.200 that has its roots and um Edison's and other people's work. 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:48.520 A lot of people say that Edison didn't actually invent 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:52.480 a lightbulb. Um he improved upon a design. Yeah, well 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.800 he was instrumental though and getting it into our homes 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.720 without Without him, whenever we had a bright idea, we'd 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:01.480 have no way of putting, uh, some sort of indicator 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:03.359 around our heads to let people know we had a 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.600 bright eye down. Yeah, you know, you don't he didn't 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:07.960 hear that little ping noises sort of. Yeah, and the 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.800 little light bulb be like it would be like something 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:16.919 like you know, a tweet anyhow. Um. Yeah, they I 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.479 mean they use a lot more electricity, they give off 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:23.119 a lot more heat, um with you know, wasted energy. 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:26.080 Um and and other products have come along that are 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.480 superior toward it to it, like fluorescence and L E. 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:31.600 D s. Yeah, of course fluorescence. Now they have their 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:34.479 own problems. Of course there is mercury in them. Uh, 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.600 you don't want to just go around smashing fluorescence on 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:43.840 the stuff. And LED expensive. Yes, so LEDs are very expensive, 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.040 but they last a whole lot longer and use a 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:49.760 lot less electricity. Um, so you know, they're still we're 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:53.199 still in that transition phase, but we don't have to 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:56.840 use incandescence in Some societies have already outlawed them. The 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:59.200 United States is moving away from them, and of course 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:01.920 it's a big country. They're lots of people. Unfortunately, they're 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:06.760 dirt cheap. Yes, yes, that's that's the you know, when 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:11.000 you get the economics involved, people might say, I understand 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:12.720 why you want us to move away from these, but 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:15.640