1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: How Stuff Works, and I heart radio and I love 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: all things tech, and it is time for a tech 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: Stuff Classic episode. Today's classic episode originally published on March five, 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve. Chris Pallette, my beloved original co host, 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: sat down with me to talk about legacy technology. Legacy systems. 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: These would be old computer systems that are no longer 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: supported necessarily but still need to stick around for one 11 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: reason or another. So we have our conversation here about 12 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: what legacy tech is and why it still exists. It's 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: in an episode that was titled Old Tech Never Dies. 14 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy are episode today comes courtesy of 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: a listener, and this one is a message from Twitter. 16 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: So let's hear that tweeting sound effect. I think I 17 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: actually heard our producers say, do do out there? Tweet 18 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: tweet tweet lovely. I hope that. I hope that's what 19 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: we use. Anyway, I won't know until I get to 20 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: listen to this later. But this comes to us from 21 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: Wayne P. Seventy two, who says I would love to 22 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: hear a show on old tech that won't go away. 23 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: I E The Facts. Well, we are going to do 24 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: an episode about that, but not one on just the Facts. 25 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,919 Speaker 1: I wanted to do that. You know, we might get sued. 26 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: I was wondering. I was looking at him like, is 27 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: he gonna do it? He's none our guy Friday. So anyway, 28 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: we are going to talk about technology that a lot 29 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: of people feel, or at least some people feel, or 30 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: at least we at tex stuff feel has run its 31 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: course and yet it's still around. Yes, and The Facts 32 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: is one of those. So we actually had a couple 33 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: that we thought about that we ended up deciding not 34 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: to include in this list, but we should go ahead 35 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: and mention them because a couple of years ago they 36 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: may have made the list. Yeah, that's true. And it's 37 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: funny because right before we were we were going to record, 38 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: we were talking about how we had done an episode 39 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: on abandoned ware, which is stuff that, uh, people just 40 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: give up on. Yeah, usually it's a company that gives 41 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: up on it, but yeah, it's the stuff that people 42 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: no longer even bother using, and it's just sort of 43 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: part of history. This is the opposite people will not 44 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: let go of. And the two that we were thinking 45 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: of that we did not include because we just feel 46 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: that they've both kind of faded away enough so that 47 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: it's a very small percentage of people that still hold 48 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: onto These are pages, which you know, sometimes some people 49 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: are a few people, especially folks in like the medical 50 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: field or whatever, we'll still use them, but pages are 51 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: pretty much been replaced by cell phones and smartphones, and 52 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: p d as also replaced primarily by smartphones personal digital 53 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: assistance not a public displaces of affection. Those will never 54 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: go out of style smoogy smodgy. So those are the 55 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: two that we almost included but didn't because we feel 56 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: that there's just not enough of a population supporting them 57 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: to merit being on this list. So since Wayne brought 58 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: this up, we probably should go ahead and start with 59 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: fax machines. Yes, and yeah, I mean the fax machine 60 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: still used in many many offices. You still see people's 61 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: facts numbers. You know, there's one out there in the office. 62 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: I've actually used it quite a few times. Yep, yep. 63 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: But the thing is, I mean, well, it uses you know, 64 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: of course, it uses a similar imaging technology to a 65 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: scanner or a copier machine. Um, there's nothing really wrong 66 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: with it. It Uh, you know, it has a modem. 67 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: That's the that's part of the problem. I think it 68 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: has a mote a minute. And uh you know when 69 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: you when you scan some stuff in it saves it 70 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: in memory. These days it does anyway. You don't have 71 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: to put it in one page at a time, although 72 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: you used to, um where you put it on there 73 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: and it would it dials the number. It makes a 74 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: connection with the fax machine on the other side, just 75 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: like you would uh with a dial up internet connection. Um. 76 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: You know, there's a handshake between the two devices. They 77 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,559 Speaker 1: agree on the protocol and it says, okay, go ahead 78 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: and send your whatever message this is going to be. 79 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, the facts either takes the information 80 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: from memory or it scans each page individually and sends 81 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: it along down the line really slowly. Receiving machine receives 82 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: that information, decodes, it changes it into the type of 83 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: information it needs in order to print prints to some paper. 84 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: And then you have the facts on the other end, 85 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: which somebody puts in a tray and it never gets 86 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: to the person that's supposed to Could you ever have 87 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: to use a fax machine that had a roll of 88 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: paper as a wasted individual sheets. Yeah, they had the 89 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: thermal printers and of course that that just curls up. Also, 90 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: it's yes, I do not miss those days. So today 91 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: we write. What we could do is, let's say we 92 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: have a scanner and we just scan a document in 93 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: and send it via change it over to say a 94 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: PDF format, which is readily available. It's easy to find 95 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: a reader for PDF. A lot of free reader a 96 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: free reader, and a lot of word processing programs and 97 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: things are capable of reading a PDF file and uh, 98 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: you just send that via email and you don't have 99 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: to worry about wasting paper or any of that mess 100 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: Or if say a fact machine is busy with a 101 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: with a call, then you won't get a rejection and 102 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: have to try it again. That's another thing that can 103 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: be kind of irritating with sending a fact. Let's say 104 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: you've got like a twenty page facts and you start 105 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: going through and you don't know until it's gone through 106 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: all twenty pages stored in a memory, and tried to 107 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: send it that it didn't go through successfully. Maybe you 108 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: didn't put in the numb correctly, Maybe the machine on 109 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: the other end, is not turned on properly, or it's 110 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: or it's busy, and then you have to try and 111 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: do it again. Yes, it's so irritating, but then you know, yeah, 112 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: scanning it and sending it by via PDF much much 113 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: more paper friendly anyway, you don't have to worry about 114 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: wasting so much paper, and also it's not so time consuming. 115 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: That being said, I still facts things because often some 116 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: of the conferences I go to request that they send 117 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: credentials and I have to send them via fax. Uh, 118 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: not all of them except email. Plus, depending upon your 119 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: access to a scanner or a copier that can have 120 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: scanning functionality, you may not have that luxury. So I 121 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: think fax machine is kind of borderline on this. Because 122 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: there is technology out there that can do stuff that 123 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: would replace the fax machine. I don't know that it's 124 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: propagated widely enough yet for it to really happen, especially 125 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: for small businesses. For large businesses, almost all of them 126 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: have some sort of scanner or copier that can can 127 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: replace a fax machine. I think we're on the verge 128 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: really of this this being a technology that's like that, 129 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: but it's it's far enough along the way that you could, 130 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: you could make the argument. I think it's a value, 131 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: a valid argument to include it on this list. But 132 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: there's some other stuff I think that that merits that 133 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: hit me with one. Well, this one is also on 134 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:31,239 Speaker 1: the verge. Landlines. Yeah, landlines. Again, more and more people 135 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: are abandoning a landline in favor of just having a 136 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: cell phone because you know, for one thing, a lot 137 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: of people don't want to have to deal with two 138 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: different phone bills or have like something packaged up where 139 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: they have fewer choices. You know, there are a lot 140 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: of services out there that will package a cell phone 141 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: and landline, uh, offering right where you can get a bundle. Yeah, 142 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: you can get a bundle, but then you are limited 143 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: to whatever options they have. You don't. You can't just 144 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: go out and say, oh, I happen to really love 145 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: this one particular phone, I want that to go with 146 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: this plan. That's not the way that works. Yeah. As 147 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I think you see that primarily 148 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: from companies that offer both land lines, and you know 149 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: that you don't see a lot of cellphone providers going, hey, 150 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: you know what we're gonna get into the landline business. Yeah, 151 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: it's not well, it's kind of hard to edge into that, 152 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: but yeah, landlines are starting to kind of disappear now. 153 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: There are some legitimate reasons why keeping a landline around. 154 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: It's not a bad idea, like emergency calls. Emergency calls 155 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: is a big one because your call can be traced 156 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: to your location very easily over a landline, so that 157 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: let's say there's an emergency where you can't even vocalize maybe, 158 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: which can happen sometimes dialing an emergency number that's all 159 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: you might be able to do. Well with a landline, 160 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: they are going to be able to find you. With 161 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: a cell phone or smartphone, they may not be able 162 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: to get your location as accurately as they could with 163 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: over a landline or even a voipe line. You'll find 164 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: out that a lot of voice services have issues with 165 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: calling emergency services. That being said that you can usually 166 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: get a landline phone and plug it into any outlet 167 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: and it will still allow you to make emergency calls 168 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: even if you don't have a landline account, so you 169 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: can still make a call to it well. In the 170 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: United States, a call to nine one one, for example, 171 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: UM and the UK, that number is really really long one. 172 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: According to the I T. Crowd and you have to 173 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: sing it to a song anyway. Uh, yeah, I know. 174 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: It's it's an episode that anyone who's watched The I 175 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: T Crowd will get that. Anyone who hasn't, you should 176 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: go watch the I T Crowd because it's awesome or 177 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: the Crowd if you prefer anyway. The The other reason 178 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: besides for emergencies is uh is that it's something that 179 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: if there's a power outage on cell service, you haven't 180 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: you have an alternate means of communication. So not just 181 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: personal emergencies, but regional emerg agencies. It's a good thing 182 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: to have. That being said, I think there it is 183 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: more common to run into people who have just adopted 184 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: the cell phone only approach. I mean my household is 185 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: that way, so yeah, I can take it with you. 186 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: And you know, you you have your phone no matter 187 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: where you are, so when you're at home, you have 188 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: your phone. Well, then then the phone itself is really 189 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, and myself included, it's it's 190 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: transitioning into a device that I used to access the 191 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: Internet more than I used to for voice communication. Because 192 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: almost all my communication now or a lot of my 193 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: communication now is through text messages, email and social networking services. 194 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: It's it's you know, I usually make two or three 195 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: calls a day, but they're very short, and they're usually 196 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: between me and my wife, Um, mostly me apologizing for 197 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: something stupid I've done. I'm sorry, baby, that's all every 198 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: single conversation starts. It's a main thing. I've actually heard 199 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: one side of that conversation before. Yeah, yeah, it's not 200 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: a rare thing. So so do you have a list? 201 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: How about this calculators and adding machines, because computers do it, 202 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: smartphones do it. I mean you've got the birds and 203 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: bees do it. You got a lot of calculators built 204 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: into other devices, So to see a standalone calculator is 205 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: kind of interesting in the sense, you know, we have that, 206 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: we have the technology at our fingertips almost all the time, 207 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: So why do we need stand alone calculators apart from 208 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: scientific calculators, which I mean calculator A lot of a lot. Again, 209 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: a lot of computers and smartphones can do that. You 210 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: just have to get the apps for it. But I 211 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: can understand someone wanting one of those as opposed to 212 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: a phone. And there's certain applications where I can I 213 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: can be a little more lenient. For example, let's say 214 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: that you are in a university class and you have 215 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: a final, and you're allowed to have a calculator next 216 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: to your your work on your final, you might not 217 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: be allowed to have a smartphone because you might use 218 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: the smartphone to cheat. Right, So in that case, I can. 219 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: That's that's a specific case where I'm like, all right, 220 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: I understand that. But for a lot of the things 221 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: that we use calculators for, either a calculator program on 222 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: a computer or smartphone or spreadsheet can do all of 223 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: that work. Sometimes in a way that's much easier because 224 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: you can do things like in a spreadsheet, you can 225 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: copy and paste formulas so that you don't have to 226 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: keep entering in the same thing over and over for 227 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: different calculations. You just you just cutting paste or copy 228 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: and paste rather not cutting paste. Um. So to me though, 229 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: that's another old technology that I'm surprised is still around, 230 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: at least in the at the level that it's still around. 231 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: How about you gut another one? Well, um, to stick 232 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: with our earlier topic, the phone book. Ah, yes, the 233 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: yellow pages. Why why does that exist? Why are we 234 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: killing trees? Well, because not everyone has access to the uh, 235 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: you know, the Internet, although you could argue that they 236 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: would also have access to it, um, you know, by 237 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: calling and you know, checking in with that directory assistance. 238 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: I think though that, you know, I think that's a 239 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: safe argument for printing the phone book. Now the question 240 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: is do they need to here in the United States. 241 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how they do it everywhere else in 242 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: the world. Here in the United States, at least where 243 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: we are, they deliver a phone book to everybody's house. 244 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: There should be an opt out, yes, what it would 245 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: be nice to have people, uh opt in, So yes, 246 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: I do want the phone book, or really an opt 247 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: out would probably be better. But that way you can 248 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: start with, Yeah, that way you could say, you know, 249 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: I've got the Internet, I can look up stuff on 250 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: their uh, I've got all the numbers I need of 251 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: the friends I have. UM, A lot of my friends 252 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: aren't listed in the phone book, you know, they don't 253 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: want to be listed there. So the businesses almost all 254 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: have some sort of web presence and need that they don't. 255 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: There are a lot of online directories that take the 256 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: place of Yellow Pages. So yeah, that's one of those 257 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: things where I think I would love to not receive that. Now, 258 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: it does raise the question that if we were to 259 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: enact that we being christened myself, you know, because we 260 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: have that kind of power. So tech stuff enacts this 261 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: thing where we were able to opt out of the 262 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: Yellow Pages delivery. If enough people opted out, then would 263 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: that change the economy of scale of producing the Yellow 264 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: Pages so that producing a fewer amount for for the 265 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: people who stay in is actually more expensive per book. 266 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: And therefore it becomes a problem, uh to fund the 267 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: printing of the Yellow Pages. Yeah, yeah, well, of course 268 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: part of the we make it up in volume is 269 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Part of the part of the problem 270 00:14:54,520 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: there is that the Yellow Pages makes its money from advertising. Um, 271 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: those those big ads that did you see on different 272 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: places for you know, when you go look up the 273 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: plumber or or somebody else moving company and you see 274 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: the full page ads they paid, you know, to reach 275 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: a certain number of people. All we're going to print 276 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: two million copies of this Okay, maybe that that's kind 277 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: of large. There, We're gonna print five thousand copies of this, 278 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: UM and so your your ad is going to be 279 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: there in everyone's home that we deliver this to UM. 280 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: If they said Okay, well, we're only going to print 281 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: ten thousand of these books for people who really need them. 282 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: Then the advertise they can't command that kind of price. Yeah, 283 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: that's true. So you know, I don't think we're going 284 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: to be able to talk him out of dropping them 285 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: off on our door because I promptly put them in 286 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: the recycle bin. But yeah, so here's here's a similar 287 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: thing to that, you know, in the sense that you know, 288 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: I know the reason why they're still around. But it's 289 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: kind of again a dying thing. CDs that you need 290 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: to install programs. Yes, and they're they're really similar when 291 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: you get right down to it. Um. In both cases, 292 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: not everyone has the technology they need to get the 293 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: information an alternative, alternate way. But but yeah, for a 294 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: lot of people, they're buying computers now that may not 295 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: even have an optical drive, so there's no use for 296 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: that CD. It's just it's or DVD or DVD. Yeah, 297 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: it's just taking up space because there's no way to 298 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: put that in your machine you want. You would needs 299 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: some sort of USB drive, or you would have to 300 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: connect to the internet and download whatever drivers you might 301 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: need for something. As opposed to having a CD for it, 302 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: and um, I would love to see thumb drives take 303 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: the place of those just for saving space. Plus the 304 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: fact that if you can wipe whatever is on that 305 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: thumb drive off if you don't need it, then you've 306 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: got some extra storage space. I'm not saying that I 307 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: do that frequently. I'm just saying I've got a lot 308 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: of thumb drives. Yeah, yeah, with a lot of logos 309 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: on them. Well that we're getting towards the end of 310 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: my list, to the point where, um, I've got it. 311 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: I've got more on here. But those are the things 312 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: that we've talked about so far. Um, are things that 313 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: we sort of think about that um, you know why 314 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: and why do people have that? Then you realize that, well, 315 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: really there are quite quite a number of people that 316 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: still depend on those, you know, more of those real sure, 317 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: because I have CDs and DVDs in general, Yeah, I 318 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: think fall into that category. Uh, and even blue rays 319 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: at some to some extent, Um, I think these are 320 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: not as far along say the Yellow Pages, but uh, yeah, 321 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: I mean, and a lot of companies are very concerned 322 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: about the fact that these are technologies that are slowly 323 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: becoming obsolete and uh, digital distribution is becoming the the 324 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: like buzz phrase for entertainment. Uh, and that causes concern 325 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: for multiple industries. Right. Well, Netflix think it's awesome. Well, 326 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: the thing is, though, they tripped on it because on 327 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: this very thing, because they were ready to move to 328 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: US digital distribution to people are not ready yet. Yeah, 329 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: there is a balance you have to strike between pushing 330 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: people toward a new technology and writing out the waves 331 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: so that you don't alienate your customer base. Right. But 332 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: the people I think, or the organizations I think, are 333 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: really concerned with this. You have the m p a 334 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: A the r i a A. So that's the Motion 335 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: Picture Association of America and the Recording Industry Association America. 336 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: So you've got these two different major organizations that have 337 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: lots and lots of really big companies in them, and 338 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,239 Speaker 1: they're very much concerned about this because they make a 339 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: lot of money selling physical media, actual physical products that 340 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: have content on them, whether the movies, television shows, music, whatever, books, books. 341 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: So moving from that to a digital one scares a 342 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: lot of companies for legitimate reason, legitimate reasons. We're not 343 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: saying that there. They shouldn't be scared. Um, And then 344 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: you've got retail organizations. So we've already seen in the 345 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: United States several retail organizations in the last few years 346 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: go belly up because they cannot compete with the digital 347 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: distribution method. You know, it's hard to find a record 348 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: store anymore. Right, Well, you walk into a Best Buy 349 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: and suddenly all the music and movies aren't front and 350 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: center like they used to be. You know, it used 351 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: to be that as soon as you walked into the store, 352 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: all of that was front loaded right there at the 353 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: very beginning of the store, so you had to walk 354 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: through it. Well, as digital distribution gets more and more popular, 355 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: that section moves further and further back in the store. 356 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: And there's a reason for that. It's because you can't 357 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: have that be the focus of your store when that 358 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: whole business model is starting to deteriorate. So I put 359 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: that along the same lines as the installation CDs and 360 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: the Yellow Pages. It's just it's not quite far as 361 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: far along. I mean, again, if you don't have a 362 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 1: broadband connection, then physical media is the way to go, 363 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: because you just you cannot physically get the information you 364 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: need to be able to watch the content or listen 365 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: to the content you want and a a good enough quality. 366 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: Otherwise you're gonna be buffering every thirty seconds. Trust me, 367 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: I know what I'm talking about. Until recently that was me. Yeah. Um. 368 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: Then there are other technologies that I think kind of 369 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: died out and then came back. Well, there's one that 370 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: needs to go, especially here in the United States. Hit 371 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: me incandescent lightbulbs. It's a good one. I didn't have 372 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: that on my list. Yeah, the good old light bulb 373 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: that has its roots and um Edison's and other people's work. 374 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: A lot of people say that Edison didn't actually invent 375 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: a lightbulb. Um he improved upon a design. Yeah, well 376 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: he was instrumental though and getting it into our homes 377 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: without Without him, whenever we had a bright idea, we'd 378 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: have no way of putting, uh, some sort of indicator 379 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: around our heads to let people know we had a 380 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: bright eye down. Yeah, you know, you don't he didn't 381 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: hear that little ping noises sort of. Yeah, and the 382 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: little light bulb be like it would be like something 383 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: like you know, a tweet anyhow. Um. Yeah, they I 384 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 1: mean they use a lot more electricity, they give off 385 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: a lot more heat, um with you know, wasted energy. 386 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: Um and and other products have come along that are 387 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: superior toward it to it, like fluorescence and L E. 388 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: D s. Yeah, of course fluorescence. Now they have their 389 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,479 Speaker 1: own problems. Of course there is mercury in them. Uh, 390 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: you don't want to just go around smashing fluorescence on 391 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: the stuff. And LED expensive. Yes, so LEDs are very expensive, 392 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: but they last a whole lot longer and use a 393 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: lot less electricity. Um, so you know, they're still we're 394 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: still in that transition phase, but we don't have to 395 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: use incandescence in Some societies have already outlawed them. The 396 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: United States is moving away from them, and of course 397 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: it's a big country. They're lots of people. Unfortunately, they're 398 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: dirt cheap. Yes, yes, that's that's the you know, when 399 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: you get the economics involved, people might say, I understand 400 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: why you want us to move away from these, but 401 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: these are affordable to us. Even if you present the 402 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: argument of well, a fluorescent light bulb is going to 403 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: last longer, therefore you're going to have to buy fewer 404 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: of them, and then the economy ends up paying out 405 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: in the long run. Some people are living in a 406 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: short term kind of lifestyle through no fault of their 407 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: own they are. They cannot look that far ahead because 408 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: that's not the way the economy works out for them. 409 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: I've been there too. I've been in that situation where 410 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: it's paycheck to paycheck, and you do you think, Well, 411 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: I would love to be more environmentally friendly, and I 412 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: would love to have something that's going to last longer, 413 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: but I honestly cannot put that in my budget. Right. 414 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: It's tough. It's not going to be much longer though, Nope. 415 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: Before there's no choice in the matter. So yeah, that's 416 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: a good one. Uh, well, there's the technology I was 417 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: talking about that that essentially died out and has been 418 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: never really died out, but it definitely faded away and 419 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: then has come back. Do you know what I'm talking about? 420 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: Do you mean the operating system that just won't die? No, 421 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: I'm not, But we can talk about that. Okay. Hey, 422 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: it's Jonathan from two thousand nineteen busting in here to 423 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: this two thousand and twelve episode to say we got 424 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: more to say about legacy tech. But first let's take 425 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: a quick break to thank our sponsor. So you're talking 426 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: about XP, Windows XP, Windows XP. Alright, So Windows XP 427 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: was one of those things that got widespread adoption, particularly 428 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: in the business world. Well, it was such an improvement 429 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: on his predecessor, you know Windows two and uh yeah, 430 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a it's a functional system. Let's 431 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: you know, let's face it, you know, taking everything aside. 432 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: If you you put all the operating systems together on 433 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: a table, XP is a great operating system. It's it's 434 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: in general, it's pretty stable. There's a work course, it's 435 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: a workhorse. So many companies have standard on XP, standardized 436 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: on XP that they're they're comfortable with it, and that 437 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: I think is the reason it's stuck around is really 438 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: the corporate world. Um, you know, I used to work 439 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: for a company that would stay one generation of Windows 440 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: back from what the cutting edge was because everything was stable. 441 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: They got it where it was working. They had thousands 442 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: of people to support, and they wanted to make sure 443 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: all the service packs were out before they would update 444 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: to the next operating Yeah, if you had if you 445 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: have thousands of employees for your company, then you want 446 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,719 Speaker 1: you want something that's going to be stable because if 447 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: you start having failure, is you're going to spend more 448 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: time responding to two problems than you can't doing business, 449 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: and that's just not a very smart way of doing things. 450 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: So staying with a tried and true system makes sense. 451 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: This is somewhat complicated by the fact that even though 452 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: we're at Windows seven, so we're two generations beyond Windows XP. 453 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: Now Windows Vista has us stigma on it about being 454 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: an undependable, over inflated, difficult to use operating system. Now, 455 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: some of the problems that Vista had early on were 456 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 1: addressed by Microsoft, you know, so it's it's a different 457 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: system than it was when it debuted. But that being said, 458 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: that first impression was so negative that a lot of 459 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: companies just that was that's where they drew the line 460 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: is that we are not going to Windows Vista because 461 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: it's just too many there are too many problems. Beyond that, though, 462 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: a related related term to this outdated technology idea is 463 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: the legacy system. So a legacy system is a is 464 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: any kind of system, doesn't have to be technology, But 465 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: in technology, what we're talking about is some sort of 466 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: system that is a core component of the way a 467 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: business does business, and you want to keep that core 468 00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 1: component going, and replacing it would mean having to to 469 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: too well, reinvent a an enormous amount of your business. 470 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: So let's say you've got some sort of computer program 471 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: that is instrumental to what you do, and it runs 472 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: perfectly on Windows XP. That's the that's the foundation that 473 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: it was built for. So then when the new operating 474 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: systems come out, they may not support that legacy system, 475 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: so you are forced to stay with an older operating 476 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: system or else you can't do business. So that's one 477 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: reason why a lot of the companies are still on 478 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: Windows XP. They have some sort of program, software application 479 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: that runs on XP and will not run on anything else, 480 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: And in order for them to be able to run 481 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: on something else, they'd have to pour so many resources 482 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: into building a new tool that does the same thing 483 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: that they're old tool, which is still working perfectly fine 484 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: for what they need. It just doesn't make sense. You know, 485 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: that much time, money, and effort. You can say, well, 486 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: we could put that towards this and then update all 487 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: our systems and then hope everything works, or we could 488 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: stick with what we have and just conctentrate doing business. Yeah, 489 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: and you know, if you if you have Windows seven 490 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: at home and XP at work, you may be frustrated 491 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: by this, but that you're not really the person that 492 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: is the most frustrated. The people who are most frustrated 493 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: by this are the ones working in Redmond, Washington at 494 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: Microsoft who have been trying to convince both uh, you know, 495 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: the the casual user and the corporate user to switch 496 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: over to Windows seven. And the thing is Windows XP 497 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: just works. Yeah, they know. Microsoft has stopped supporting it 498 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: and then and they're they've they've basically said, look, we're 499 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: not going to do anything for you. They don't distribute 500 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: it anymore. Really, it's an eleven year old operating system. 501 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: That said. In researching this yesterday, Jonathan and I ran 502 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: across some very interesting news. Good grief. There's an article 503 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: in zd net Australia that quoted statistics from net applications 504 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: in December and Windows XP is the dominant operating system 505 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: out there. It had forty six point five of market 506 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: share and in January it had forty seven point one 507 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: nine market share. Windows XP is growing, is continuing to 508 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: increase an adoption rate. Excuse me for a second while 509 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: I banged my head against the microphone. Now carry on, 510 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: um So anyhow, Vista is in third place among the 511 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: Windows operating systems and Windows seven is increasing as well. Um, 512 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: but imagining that an operating system has been discontinued is 513 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: technically no longer supported, you know, and it's increasing in 514 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: market share. That's kind of impressive. Ya, That's not the 515 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: worst of it, though. That's the XP story is is 516 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: that's that's kind of mind blowing. But that's not the 517 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: most mind blowing story you sent me. No, no, no, 518 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: And and this is the thing is these these two 519 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: are tied together. And those of you in the know 520 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: are gonna go, oh, um, but but no. The reason 521 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: I mentioned XP first is because Windows XP works. It 522 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: does what it's supposed to. It's stable, it's pretty secure. 523 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: But in contrast, contrast, there's another technology that Microsoft would 524 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: really really really really like to see end of life 525 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: by everyone, and for very good reasons. And yet it 526 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: also increased in market share. Please please go ahead and 527 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: reveal what it was. Internet Explorer six. Uh. Internet Explorer 528 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: six also increase in adoption rate. Um so Internet Explores 529 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: six Now that words fail me really, um, they've they've 530 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: Microsoft tried its best to kill Internet. It's not it's 531 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: it's not a safe system to use. It's not. And 532 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: websites will warn you when you go on there are 533 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: websites that you can't see if you have Internet Explorer six, 534 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: you try and go to that website and you won't 535 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: be able to view it. Please, if you're using i 536 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: E six, update, please please try anything, try the newest 537 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: version of Internet Explorer. We're not even telling you to 538 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 1: switch brands. You can. You can update to the latest 539 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: version of the Internet Explorer and it is going to 540 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: be a world of difference. The only reason I could 541 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: see anyone using i E six is that they have 542 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: a machine too old to run anything better. Yeah, yeah, 543 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: well there are some The reasons to use legacy systems 544 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: in a lot of cases have to do with a 545 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: specific tool. Yes, if you are so. Let's say that 546 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: you've got a corporation and that corporation has an internal network. 547 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: An intranet is not an Internet, and at in order 548 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: to access this Internet, you need to use a specific 549 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: kind of browser because it was built to support a 550 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: specific type of browser. Then I could understand as well 551 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: having Internet Explorer six. I would pity that person because 552 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: that is a miserable experience, but that could be the case. 553 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: You could have a corporate system where let's say you 554 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: need to go in and manage things like a digital timesheet, 555 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: or you have to request some vacation time or sick time, 556 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: or you're doing something like you're changing your You might 557 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: even be putting in things like an employee record into 558 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: an company's Internet system, and the only way you can 559 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: access it is through an outdated browser. Um. There are 560 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: plenty of systems that are like that. I've seen lots 561 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: of them where they will tell you don't use any 562 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: other version of any other browser because some of the 563 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: functionality will not work. If you use it. You might 564 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: be able to see some stuff and access some of 565 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: the stuff that's on the the corporate Internet, but you're 566 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: not gonna be able to get the full run of 567 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: it unless you use this particular browser. Yeah, yeah, see yeah. 568 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: An article in Ours Technica UM published on February first, 569 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: twelve said that in January, uh Internet Explorer grew more, 570 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: its market share grew more than any other browser. In fact, 571 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: Chrome went down a little bit, but the biggest share 572 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: of that growth for I E was in i E six. 573 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: So so, um, people are going to write in to 574 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: tell you that that was really loud, um, But anyway, 575 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: uh yeah, it felt kind of and I understand to see. 576 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: The thing is that one of the things that's common 577 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: about most of these technologies is that UM there there's 578 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: some good reason why some people are gonna want to 579 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: use it. You know, perhaps you have a machine that 580 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: just won't go any it won't run Vista or or 581 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: Windows seven or Windows eight. Uh, you have a machine 582 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: that that where are you have an internet where you 583 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: I need to use I E six to run it 584 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: otherwise it won't work A O L is the Internet? Yes, 585 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: that's possible. I mean for the lightbulb thing. The socket 586 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: fits the same size. I really don't have it. They're cheap. 587 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: There is a reason to use that. The thing is 588 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: that the majority of people still using UM I E 589 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: six and Windows XP. The majority of those people probably 590 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: are not doing it because their computers are slower, because 591 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: they are reliant on a legacy system. It's probably more 592 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: because their corporation, their corporation won't let them right, or 593 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: they just don't know. Yeah, there are a lot of 594 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: people who just have don't have They just don't know 595 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: that there there's a better way out there to them. 596 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: They've associated specific kind of browser with that's the Internet. 597 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: It's not a browser you use to access the Internet. 598 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: To note that is the to them, that is the Internet. 599 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: It's or a little box of a little blinking line 600 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: on the top. It doesn't weigh anything. It's kept up 601 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: top of big ben Yeah, this is this is definitely 602 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: the type of water cooler thing where you stand around 603 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: and go, yeah, why do people still use that? I 604 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: mean there in general, there's a reason why people still 605 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: use some of these things, but why why some of 606 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: them are so widespread is another question. I still have 607 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: a few more. Yes, there's the one that I had 608 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:24,879 Speaker 1: said had died out but came back. This No, this 609 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: is one thing. This is a different one, and this 610 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: is one that didn't really die out either. It's one 611 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 1: of those where it's more for nostalgias sake, I think 612 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: than anything else. The Dreamcast Vinyl Oh yeah, so vinyl 613 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: records is what we're talking about, not not the material vinyl, 614 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 1: but vinyl vinyl record albums. So yeah, something you would 615 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 1: play on a record player. Uh. There are people who 616 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: argue audiophiles who will argue that the vinyl gives the best, 617 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: truest sound to whatever the original recording is, and there 618 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: are others who say that that's a bunch of bologny 619 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: that if you are using the proper digital equipment, there 620 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: is no humanly detectable way of differentiating the two. I'm 621 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: not going to go into that too much because it's 622 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: it's frankly, it's something that I would need to see 623 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: a lot more studies on because there are lots of 624 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: different arguments to either side, and there are certain people 625 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: out there who have very very finely attuned senses of 626 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: hearing that might be able to detect those differences. I'm 627 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: not one of them. I do not have a great 628 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: sense of hearing, so perhaps the fault is on my 629 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: me and not on the technology. But still, it's interesting 630 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 1: to me that vinyl has never really gone away, considering 631 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: that a lot of the the trend has been to 632 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: favor convenience over perceived quality, right, because when MP three 633 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: has got really popular, a lot of them were recorded 634 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: at terrible bit rates and you were losing a lot 635 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: of information, and in some cases that was detectable, and 636 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: you could tell that you were losing some of the 637 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: highs and lows. There wasn't a whole lot of variation 638 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: between the lowest of the lows and the highest of 639 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: the highest, so you weren't getting a really dynamic sound 640 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: like you could with a better recording. But today that's 641 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: not as big an issue, right, Well, with people having 642 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: higher bandwidth connections, Uh, they're more willing to do that 643 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: because you're you're able to include some of the frequencies that, um, 644 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: you know make this sound richer. Yeah. Um, but yeah, 645 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: that's that's one of those where I'm just surprised now. 646 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: That being said, I own a lot of vinyl folks, 647 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: well a vinyl fan, and there's a um, there's a 648 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: better resurgence and manufacturing vinyl, yeah, which is funny because 649 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: the equipment almost completely died out. Yeah, there was a 650 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: there's a time in the late eighties and into the 651 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: nineties where finding a turntable was if you weren't if 652 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: you weren't buying DJ equipment, it was pretty much. Yeah, 653 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 1: it was you had to go to like some sort 654 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: of hobby store or like an audio file. Yeah, And 655 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: now now you can find them all over the place. 656 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: In fact, I see them like I've seen plenty of 657 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 1: ones that you plug in via USB to a computer 658 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: where you can rip things to MP three or you 659 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: can actually just listen to it over a computer. Or 660 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: plug it into another sound system. Yeah, it's so it's 661 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: started to it's been enjoying a resurgence nowhere near what 662 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: it was when that was the way to listen to music. Yeah, 663 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to give the wrong impression, 664 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: but it has come back from what look like it was. 665 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: It looked like it was going to go extinct. Yeah, 666 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of a lot of independent bands have 667 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: been recording and releasing their records on vinyl pressing because, uh, 668 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: truth be told, it's not as as expensive as you 669 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: might think. Um, so, you know, it's it's enjoyed a 670 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: resurgence in in popularity for bands as a you know, hey, 671 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: look how cool we are we have a vinyl record. Yeah. 672 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: It's kind of a gimmick almost, by the way, Yeah 673 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: for some folks. Yeah, Jonathan two thousand nineteen. Again, I'm 674 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: busy making my own legacy. So while I do, why 675 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: don't we take a quick break to thank our sponsor. 676 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: I also wrote down typewriters because they still have not 677 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: died away. I haven't seen a typewriter in public in 678 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: a long time. No, but I used to work in 679 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: an office that still used typewriters to fill out forms 680 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: instead of trying to create digital forms. They still had 681 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: physical forms and physical typewriters that you had to use 682 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: to fill out the forms. It was not that long ago, 683 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: so I have them down here. I mean, maybe they've 684 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: died out in the five years since I joined how 685 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 1: stuff works. It's possible. That's that's long enough. But I 686 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 1: have a feeling that if I went back to this office, 687 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,720 Speaker 1: I'd still find that typewriter and it would be mocking 688 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: me as it always did. Um. And then let's see, 689 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,919 Speaker 1: do have anything else? Like, yes, there is something else 690 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 1: I have? Uh scheduled television? Yeah, because now we've reached 691 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: a point where with the uh the invention of DVRs 692 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: and with streaming services like Hulu and Netflix, the the 693 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: importance of a TV schedule has decreased dramatically. Right like 694 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: back in back in the day, you would have to 695 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: plan your night around around your stories if you wanted 696 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: to watch television. So if you wanted to watch, you know, 697 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: a particular sitcom, you had to be there in front 698 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: your TV at eight pm on a Thursday night, or 699 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: else you weren't going to see it, or you had 700 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: to set a VCR to tape it. Later on you 701 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: could do that. But before that, even you know, before 702 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: VCRs became household items, you know. Yeah, and that's another one, TOCR. 703 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: But VCRs are pretty much on them, they're pretty much dead. 704 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,240 Speaker 1: VCRs are almost dead. So but yeah, the scheduled television stuff. 705 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: Before there were VCRs, the only other option you had 706 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: was to set your kid down and tell have the 707 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,399 Speaker 1: kid just act out the entire episode when you got home, 708 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,800 Speaker 1: so you could find out what ha and on MASH 709 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: I know, I know season seasons two through four like 710 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: the back of my hand. Anyway, Uh yeah, the but yeah, 711 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 1: that Now we have DVRs and we have streaming services. 712 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: Even DVRs now are starting to kind of reach a 713 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: point where I think a lot of people are are 714 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: moving away entirely from worrying about recording stuff that's on 715 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: the air right now. One thing so many of them 716 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: come out on DVD later or or in some of 717 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 1: their form is a collection to catch up on an 718 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,959 Speaker 1: entire series now all at once, if you wanted to. Yeah, 719 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: so I think, uh, I think that's one of those 720 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: dying technologies. And you know, that's a tough one because 721 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: again that's that's another one that's industry that that will 722 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 1: completely change industries, And anything that's going to completely change 723 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: an industry, it's going to be a tumultuous and and 724 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: and drawn out of fair It's not so thing that 725 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: happens very quickly, usually unless it's catastrophic, but normally it's 726 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: gonna take a while. There's gonna be a lot of resistance. 727 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: We're seeing that there's a lot of resistance to it 728 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,399 Speaker 1: for a good reason. Again, because the economies that are 729 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: involved are huge, and the considerations you have to make 730 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 1: are enormous, and you know the fact that there's just 731 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: not as much there's not as much money streaming to 732 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: the to the internet as there would be going through 733 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: a cable or broadcast approach. Right, It's just it's that's 734 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: the truth. There's not as much money there. And if 735 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: you've got a big corporation that requires a lot of 736 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: money to generate the content that it makes, that raises 737 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: some very tough questions where do you start making cuts? 738 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: Do you do make huge cuts? And the corporate personnel 739 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: do you also have to make huge cuts? And the 740 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: production costs for your shows or your movies. There's been 741 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,720 Speaker 1: a lot of discussion about that recently, with with movie 742 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 1: blockbusters about whether or not the blockbuster itself is perhaps 743 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,720 Speaker 1: an outdated concept, and perhaps it's we've we've really pushed 744 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: the concept of blockbusters so far that they are having 745 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: these massive, overinflated budgets, and maybe it's time to stop 746 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: that and really focus on making movies a different way 747 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: where it's more efficient and economical, and maybe the focus 748 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 1: isn't so much unspectacle. That's a totally separate argument, but 749 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 1: it does at least tangentially tie into this idea of 750 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: the scheduled TV event where we don't have to be 751 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: in front of our sets at a set time in 752 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: place anymore, you know, we can we have a lot 753 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: more flexibility to get entertainment on demand, with the exception 754 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 1: of things like live events like sports like that. So 755 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: I think that that is definitely on the bubble, you know, 756 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: in a in another maybe five or ten years, uh, 757 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: scheduled TV is going to be kind of a thing 758 00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: of the past. Um with the exception of live events. Well, 759 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 1: I think too that that's gonna require um more people 760 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: to have availability of the technology, you know, because not 761 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 1: everyone can afford a DVR or even more broadband internet. 762 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: But we're starting to see that stuff being built into 763 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: the television sets themselves. So again, in five or ten years, 764 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: you're going to have the average TV set sold at 765 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: whatever store you go to is going to have a 766 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: lot of Internet connectivity stuff built into it. Now, that 767 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: doesn't solve the problem of broadband penetration. If you don't 768 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 1: have broadband penetration, it doesn't matter how advance your TV is, 769 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,880 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to get that content. But 770 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: assuming that the broadband penetration problem has been addressed enough 771 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 1: so that there is this transition, then I think we 772 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: do see uh an end to the scheduled TV approach. 773 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: And you just want your Louis, you turn your television on, 774 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: you say, I want to watch this one particular program. 775 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 1: I want to watch this one particular episode, and it 776 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: pulls it up and it may be that it's a 777 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,879 Speaker 1: subscription based thing, and maybe it's a per episode payment thing. 778 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's gonna be free all the time, 779 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,879 Speaker 1: but it's definitely going to be a different model than 780 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 1: what we're used to right now, will you know? It 781 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: will no longer be like, you know, oh, it's Thursday night. 782 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: This is when these my my favorite three shows. Come on, 783 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,479 Speaker 1: it'll be Hey, I got home, it's time to watch 784 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 1: my favorite show. Okay, So and I think that's Let 785 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: me look and did I miss anything on my list? No, 786 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 1: that's all the things I have on my list. Not 787 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: that not to suggest that that's the only outdated technology 788 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 1: we have that we rely on on a day to 789 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 1: day basis. Well, if people have their you know, a 790 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: favorite outdated technology that they didn't think made our lists 791 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: for good reason, then they should write us and let 792 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: us know. I mean, there's plenty of other stuff we 793 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: can talk about, like like cold powered power plants, that 794 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,719 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, right where we could say, look, there 795 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,759 Speaker 1: are alternatives that we could look into that maybe more 796 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 1: environmentally friendly. But even so, these have their own sets 797 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:02,280 Speaker 1: of restrictions and problems. Um, but yeah, you could argue 798 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 1: that saying like, hey, look at the state of the world. 799 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 1: Isn't isn't like anything that burns fossil fuels isn't that outdated? 800 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: And I would agree with you in the sense that 801 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 1: I think we really need to move to things that 802 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: aren't going to be as as dangerous to the environment. 803 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,359 Speaker 1: But the reality of the situation is a bit more 804 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 1: complex than just saying, hey, this is an old way 805 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,320 Speaker 1: of doing things. And that wraps up that classic episode 806 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,839 Speaker 1: of tech Stuff. I hope you guys enjoyed it. 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