Speaker 1: Hello, friends, and welcome into Fantasy Pros. This is the
Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Podcast. It is the Week ten ranking show.
Speaker 1: That's right, double digies. We have officially hit post trade deadline.
Speaker 1: We've got it all here. I'm Chris Welch. That is
Speaker 1: Pat fitz Morris and joining the rank show this week.
Speaker 1: Jacob Gibbs here from CBS. It should be a good one.
Speaker 1: Mister Pat fitz Morris, How are you post trade deadline?
Speaker 1: And good? Bad? Indifferent? I guess at least there were trades.
Speaker 1: We didn't have any big, massive one. How are you
Speaker 1: feeling post trade deadline?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Nothing big.
Speaker 3: Mike Williams, maybe this can resuscitate his fantasy value a
Speaker 3: little bit, although probably not startable, but at least rosterball,
Speaker 3: I would think, And you know, nothing else really of consequence.
Speaker 3: I don't think Khalil Herbert is gonna have much of
Speaker 3: an impact on the Bengals. Just kind of solidifies Chase
Speaker 3: Brown's grasp on the lead back roll there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, just kind of a nothing burger.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if we put it as a whole and
Speaker 1: we look at all all the trades, we can see
Speaker 1: the impact. Jacob. By the way, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Great to have you on here. Anything from the trade
Speaker 1: deadline you think that's gonna have, like any effect whatsoever
Speaker 1: from a rank perspective. I know Mike Williams might be
Speaker 1: maybe the most obvious. Khalil Herbert being traded has a
Speaker 1: couple people, you know, their excitement maybe up that there's something.
Speaker 1: But was there anything from the trade deadline that you
Speaker 1: think impacts ranks at all?
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I am a huge Khalil Herbert
Speaker 4: fan as an injury player and a talent for its worth,
Speaker 4: but I think he kind of profiles similarly to Chase
Speaker 4: Brown and being like an early downskuy, So I don't
Speaker 4: know if it really changes anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt like one guy I was speculating out
Speaker 1: there was like if Rahiem Mostert had been traded, I
Speaker 1: felt like if you would have gone to the Cowboys
Speaker 1: or the Bengals, that would have been a different look
Speaker 1: type of back. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: Khalil Herbert, yeah, does kind of mirror Chase Brown a bit,
Speaker 1: and Mike Williams is a good jump up, get it ball.
Speaker 1: But you know what happens with a lot of these trades,
Speaker 1: trade deadlines, especially in other sports. All the fun happens
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Speaker 1: the big trades ended up happening. And from the Deontay
Speaker 1: Johnson's to the DeAndre Hopkins, how will they affect the
Speaker 1: ranks this week? Well, we are going to talk about
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Speaker 1: have a sad news. Last week we were able to
Speaker 1: celebrate me a little bit and Mick and Bogman on
Speaker 1: the Ranks. Unfortunately, we won't be doing that this week.
Speaker 1: I did not make the top three or five or
Speaker 1: ten on the Ranks contest, but giving a shout out
Speaker 1: to the week nine rank contests. Kyle Cunningham Roads ended
Speaker 1: up with the number one spot in the week nine ranks.
Speaker 1: Nick Zilac, I believe it's how you say Fantasy Football
Speaker 1: advice was number two, and uh Aliza Toursk I believe
Speaker 1: Torsky was on here before, wasn't he?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah from US Yeah, Eli, that's right, Eli. Torski
Speaker 1: from USA today number three in the ranks, with a
Speaker 1: special shout out to my buddy Tom Strachan, who I
Speaker 1: do the Sunday Advice streams right before kickoff. He finished fourteenth,
Speaker 1: and Mike Mayor, Mike Mayer did it again, Pat with
Speaker 1: a seventeen a top twenty. I gotta say, I think
Speaker 1: Mike Mayor is like right there in the ranks contest.
Speaker 1: He might be one of the highest here. So maybe
Speaker 1: next year we're gonna have to put him to work
Speaker 1: and get him on the show.
Speaker 3: Pat, Yes, he is top ten and yeah, hats off
Speaker 3: to our colleague Mike Mayor.
Speaker 1: We hate around these parts to give Mike like any
Speaker 1: accolades or positive reinforcement. We're not really about.
Speaker 2: That with Mike grudging acknowledgment at past.
Speaker 1: Yeah from the top of the company. By the way,
Speaker 1: the president down, We're all like, oh, Mike did it
Speaker 1: all right? Well no, but congratulations to Mike. And if
Speaker 1: you guys want to follow along today with the ranks,
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Speaker 1: see all of the movement throughout the week for all
Speaker 1: of the great rankers near two hundred, Jacob pat myself
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Speaker 1: So gentlemen, let's kick off the ranks show. Let's talk
Speaker 1: running back ranks. We are going to be going through
Speaker 1: the three tiers of them. We've got good visuals on
Speaker 1: the board, so let's kick it off. Looking at the
Speaker 1: big board for running back ranks for week ten, Sakuon
Speaker 1: Barkley is our top dog. We got Dereck Henry, Bejon Kyron,
Speaker 1: and Devon Hham. That's your top five. Alvin Kamara, Joe Mixon, Breeshall,
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs, Jonathan Taylor, Aaron Jones, and DeAndre Swift coming
Speaker 1: in at twelve. So these are the again, the top dogs.
Speaker 1: Not a ton of questions, but there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of dissent here as you guys, both are lower than
Speaker 1: consensus on RB one DeAndre Swift. Jacob, you've got him
Speaker 1: at thirteen. Pat, you've got him at sixteen. Let's start
Speaker 1: with Jacob, though, let's get your take again. We are
Speaker 1: talking about RB ones. But if you're looking at these
Speaker 1: RB ones, there's a little like one of these is
Speaker 1: not like the others. And I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people feel like that with Swift, you're not crazy lower
Speaker 1: than ECR. But Jacob, what's your gauge on DeAndre Swift
Speaker 1: for week ten?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the one running back I have above him the
Speaker 4: consensus dozen is James Cook. Well, actually in Christian mcaffre
Speaker 4: gonn get him too, just more upside. I think with
Speaker 4: those guys with their offense higher imply totals from Vegas,
Speaker 4: the Bears, it's kind of rough out here, obviously everybody
Speaker 4: knows that. On the good side, for Swift, the usage
Speaker 4: has been in spectacular. He's running back six in expected
Speaker 4: Fantasy points per game over his past four games. That's
Speaker 4: per Fantasy Points Data dot Com. He's running back fourteen
Speaker 4: in XFP on the year, and so I think that's
Speaker 4: about the rangey sit most weeks, all things equal, And
Speaker 4: that's about where I'm at here, and I think it
Speaker 4: is even maybe a positive matchup. For the past five
Speaker 4: offenses to face the Patriots have passed posted a pass
Speaker 4: rate over expectation well below zero, meaning that these teams
Speaker 4: are running the ball much more than expected. And that's
Speaker 4: based off like the circumstances of each individual play going
Speaker 4: into the play, which you know you'd expect teams are
Speaker 4: runing against the Patriots because they're normally winning. Even still,
Speaker 4: these offense has been running way, way more than expected,
Speaker 4: and so I think that's that's good for Swift here.
Speaker 4: And you know, we just sought Tony poul go for
Speaker 4: one hundred fifty yard against the Stephens.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And one of the things we see here too.
Speaker 1: On the Fantasy Pros rankings page, we do the matchup ratings,
Speaker 1: He's the understript is actually the only B rating of
Speaker 1: all of those, which is kind of ironic. He's the
Speaker 1: B plus rating. Everybody else has an A rating. But
Speaker 1: it is a four star matchup. So I think that
Speaker 1: is about the running back. But Khalil Herbert is out
Speaker 1: of their pat Yet you went lower. You're sixteen on
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift right now, So tak us through what does
Speaker 1: not have you excited about Swift?
Speaker 2: This week the Bears in general.
Speaker 3: This is sort of a blanket fade of the Chicago
Speaker 3: Bears for me.
Speaker 2: This week.
Speaker 3: DJ Moore was being interviewed on a Chicago sports radio
Speaker 3: station this week and was asked if the Bears head
Speaker 3: coach Matt Eberflus had lost the locker room, and his
Speaker 3: answer was, I won't say no. That is what DJ
Speaker 3: Moder told a Chicago sports radio station. And Moore walked
Speaker 3: off the field in the middle of a play last week,
Speaker 3: and I know he had stepped out of bounds, and
Speaker 3: there was the defense that maybe since he was ineligible
Speaker 3: to be a receiver on that play anyway, that that
Speaker 3: was the smart thing to do. But I mean, he
Speaker 3: turned his back to the field and walked off, and
Speaker 3: he also gave this kind of weird like shoulder bumped
Speaker 3: to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1: As I was going to ask if that radio station
Speaker 1: asked him about that, because that's what publicly got all
Speaker 1: of the you know, just the fervor. I kind of
Speaker 1: thought legitimately that the team might have looked at trading
Speaker 1: trading him the deadline. Obviously they did not, but like
Speaker 1: he seems to be an issue right now, did they
Speaker 1: ask about the shoulder bone.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just I saw the clip of the question about
Speaker 3: Eberflus and that was it. But yeah, I mean we
Speaker 3: saw how the Bears have responded to the hail Mary
Speaker 3: lost to Washington two weeks ago. They got thumped by
Speaker 3: the Cardinals. That's how they responded. So Swift, Yeah, we're
Speaker 3: happy with the usage. I mean didn't do much as
Speaker 3: a runner last week, sixteen carries for fifty one yards,
Speaker 3: but he did salvage's fantasy day with six catches for
Speaker 3: thirty one yards. I know the whole matchup against New
Speaker 3: England does look tasty, but I am just treading lightly
Speaker 3: around all members of the Bears, and I think you're
Speaker 3: starting Swift and fantasy. But I know I'm not going
Speaker 3: to put him in any DFS lineups this week, and
Speaker 3: I'm not betting the over on any of his player props.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a messy situation with the Bears. The only
Speaker 1: positive that you could have really thrown into this outside
Speaker 1: of just like the what his individual performance would look like.
Speaker 1: Isle Herbert has gone that's one, you know, less person
Speaker 1: to potentially take away. But what does that believe?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wasn't They had relegated under obscurity anyway.
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's jump over because, like I said, we
Speaker 1: you know, it's pretty core here. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anything crazy, especially with Swift being I would look at
Speaker 1: as like maybe the only outlier of the RB ones
Speaker 1: when we go over to the RB twos going to
Speaker 1: the big board, James Cook comes in at thirteen, Christian
Speaker 1: McCaffrey at fourteen, Tyrone Tracy at fifteen, Kareem Hunt, James Connor, JK. Dobbins,
Speaker 1: Chase Brown, David Montgomery coming in at twenty one, as
Speaker 1: Chewba Hubbard, naj Harris, Tony Pollard, and Ramandre Stevenson. Boy,
Speaker 1: we have not talked about Christian McCaffrey on any rank
Speaker 1: in a long time, and we're doing it here, and
Speaker 1: we're doing it outside of the top twelve. He comes
Speaker 1: in at fourteen. Funny enough, he is actually given an
Speaker 1: A rating. He's the only running back that is given
Speaker 1: the A matchup or I guess it is the start
Speaker 1: sit A rating that's in the RB two ows. So
Speaker 1: the start here, Pat, let's go to you real quick
Speaker 1: on Christian McCaffrey. When we look at your guys' rank,
Speaker 1: fits you've got him at ten and Jacob's got him
Speaker 1: at nine, So you guys are pushed above what ECR
Speaker 1: is right now, A pat, do you think this rank
Speaker 1: is relative to people's concerns that he has not been
Speaker 1: said one hundred percent he's going to go and start
Speaker 1: and people are holding back and b if it's if
Speaker 1: it is not, what do you think is holding people
Speaker 1: back from thinking Christian McCaffrey is just gonna go ham
Speaker 1: on return Maybe you know, slight downtick in touches and
Speaker 1: they want to baby him like what what do you
Speaker 1: think pushes him outside of the top ten.
Speaker 3: The ambiguity of the touch out look for him in
Speaker 3: his first game back, I think without question, and by
Speaker 3: the way, congratulations to all the Christian McCaffrey one on
Speaker 3: one drafters who if you're not sitting at two and seven,
Speaker 3: you know, if you're still in this thing, you finally
Speaker 3: get your shiny new toy. I think if McCaffrey is
Speaker 3: truly healthy and ready to go and really as essential
Speaker 3: as he is to the forty nine ers aspirations to
Speaker 3: get back to the Super Bowl, I have a hard
Speaker 3: time believing they wouldn't put him, that they would put
Speaker 3: him back out onto the field if he wasn't completely
Speaker 3: healthy and ready to go. So granted, I'm not expecting
Speaker 3: him to get twenty five touches this week, but I
Speaker 3: think fifteen to twenty is a pretty reasonable expectation. That's
Speaker 3: sort of what I'm basing my ranking on. Give one
Speaker 3: of the three or four best running backs in the
Speaker 3: league fifteen to twenty touches and that's a top ten
Speaker 3: running back for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jacob, you're a little bit higher. And I look
Speaker 1: at this and I just go, he's the best running essentially. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe there's more argument now, but it's like he's the
Speaker 1: best one to two or three top three running back
Speaker 1: in the league. He's back. The only thing that can
Speaker 1: hold him back is if we think he is going
Speaker 1: to be held back on touches here. But sky feels
Speaker 1: like the limit here. But let's get your take on
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey and, like Pat said, a player that the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers need desperately because every win and every
Speaker 1: game for the forty nine ers is must win moving.
Speaker 4: Forward exactly, it's go time. The Niners have said Week ten,
Speaker 4: all long authentications are good coming out of the by
Speaker 4: this seems like the plan. So as long as there's
Speaker 4: no setbacks, I would expect him to assume most of
Speaker 4: his usual role. And the Niners have the second eyes
Speaker 4: implied total this week twenty eight points, so they're expected
Speaker 4: to put up a ton of points.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's going to be any holdback of
Speaker 1: some of his touches like that we do see maybe
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of production, because I still don't I'm
Speaker 1: not even sure if seventy five percent of his production
Speaker 1: could have me have him outside of the top five
Speaker 1: if we're being.
Speaker 4: Honest, right, Yeah, if we knew he had his full role,
Speaker 4: he'd probably be a top five running back. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: would have him at running back three or four, right
Speaker 4: there with Kien mb John Robinson. So I'm expecting maybe
Speaker 4: a little bit, but it's mostly just the ambiguity is
Speaker 4: the reason he's not there. It wouldn't surprise me at
Speaker 4: all he does have that role.
Speaker 1: Be on the lookout for it. That's a perfect example
Speaker 1: of a player to keep on watch because he might
Speaker 1: be moving up and up as we start to get
Speaker 1: some information if they say yes he is this, or
Speaker 1: yes he is going to have this type of a
Speaker 1: snap count hold back like those are the things that
Speaker 1: are going to move the rank. But it's Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 1: I think the ECR is going to move up and
Speaker 1: his window is probably somewhere between twelve and four this
Speaker 1: week of ranks as it moves on. Next up on
Speaker 1: the RB threes, Ramandre Stevenson, this is a very interesting one.
Speaker 1: ECR twenty four. You guys have a sandwich here because
Speaker 1: I believe Jacob you've got him at twenty five, Fitch,
Speaker 1: you've got him at twenty three. He's kind of inconsistent.
Speaker 1: He is kind of the guy there, Jacob, let's get
Speaker 1: your take. You do not have him as an RB two,
Speaker 1: but we're not picking too much because he's twenty five.
Speaker 1: For you, what's your take on Rimandre Stevenson this week.
Speaker 4: I don't have a whole lot to add on Remandra.
Speaker 4: I'm curious to hear what pat has. Just generally speaking,
Speaker 4: it's tough to bet on any Patriots. I do like
Speaker 4: Drake may just because he brings some fantasy football cheek
Speaker 4: code goodness with his running. But for me, even with
Speaker 4: a great usage for Romandra, you're kind of having to
Speaker 4: bet on touchdowns for him to get there. For fantasy
Speaker 4: and his team's only implied for like fifteen sixteen points
Speaker 4: every week. That's the case again this week, it's.
Speaker 1: Been a big problem. I've had pat with Remandre's first
Speaker 1: off inconsistencies and second off. Like I think you mentioned
Speaker 1: this before, but it's like a team that is most
Speaker 1: likely playing from behind in a lot of elements is
Speaker 1: not looking to establish, you know, big amounts of running.
Speaker 1: Though Drake may have made this team better, you've got
Speaker 1: him at twenty three, so you do have him in
Speaker 1: the RB two territory. What say you on Remandre?
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I'm not being consistent here because if I
Speaker 3: am predicting a Bear's collapse, then I should probably have
Speaker 3: Remandre above consensus and not below. And certainly the Bears
Speaker 3: run defense is not really what's scaring me off for Madre.
Speaker 2: It's thirtieth in DVA.
Speaker 3: What makes me nervous is that over his last three games,
Speaker 3: Vermondre is averaging two point two yards per carry, and
Speaker 3: he hit a tough matchup against the Titans last week,
Speaker 3: no denying that ten carries for sixteen yards, but he
Speaker 3: was also under three yards per carry against the Jets
Speaker 3: and Jaguars, who are not exactly you know matchups for
Speaker 3: running backs. Rimandre has scored four touchdowns over the last
Speaker 3: two weeks, but he is struggling to consistently pick up
Speaker 3: yardage behind a Patriots offensive line that ranks thirty second
Speaker 3: in run blocking according to PFF.
Speaker 1: Wild numbers in general for him, and he has become
Speaker 1: just a tiny bit dodgy. This is an interesting one
Speaker 1: because I actually signaled this running back, Tony Pollard RB
Speaker 1: twenty three as a Cell candidate on the Buy Cell
Speaker 1: Hold Show this week. And obviously he has, you know,
Speaker 1: been phenomenal this year, but I let coach speak get
Speaker 1: into me a little bit at Holds a tiny bit.
Speaker 1: They said they want to lower the usage. Also, not
Speaker 1: a great team, and you know, maybe Rudolph is going
Speaker 1: to move the offense a little bit more. But if
Speaker 1: you're telling me this offense who's going to be playing
Speaker 1: from behind, is going to take touches away from Tony Pollard,
Speaker 1: seems kind of like a Cell high territory. But this
Speaker 1: is not the by Cell Trade show. This is the
Speaker 1: Rank Them and Play him this week. Tony Pollard is
Speaker 1: twenty three on this list. Jacob, you actually have him
Speaker 1: at ECR Fitch. You've got him a little bit higher.
Speaker 1: So Fitz, let's just jump to you real quick. You've
Speaker 1: got him at nineteen. Are you afraid we're gonna see
Speaker 1: anything taken away? And frankly, from how you know how
Speaker 1: he's performed, feels like he should be higher. He's just
Speaker 1: not getting into that range. What's you take on Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard this week?
Speaker 3: Well, my fears about Tony Pollard were mostly last week
Speaker 3: when there were doubts about whether he was going to
Speaker 3: be able to play at all with his foot injury.
Speaker 3: Not only did he play, but a season high twenty
Speaker 3: eight care he's for one hundred and twenty eight yards.
Speaker 3: Also three catches for twenty six yards. So over his
Speaker 3: last five games, Tony Pollard is averaging one hundred and
Speaker 3: six point four yards per game from scrimmage. He's at
Speaker 3: at least two catches in every game this season. They
Speaker 3: are just leaning into the Tony Pollard usage like that
Speaker 3: is now the Titans offensive identity. And I know this
Speaker 3: is a tough matchup against a Chargers defense that has
Speaker 3: allowed the second fewest fantasy points to running backs, but
Speaker 3: Pollard really has become a true workhorse, and I think
Speaker 3: a mid range running back two ranking for him is
Speaker 3: pretty reasonable.
Speaker 1: Jacob, what's your gauge and what's your take on Tony Pollard?
Speaker 1: Of the top twenty four running backs we have here
Speaker 1: listed on Fantasy Pros at least our top twenty four,
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard has given the worst matchup rating of all
Speaker 1: top twenty four. Another reason against the Chargers why he's
Speaker 1: got pushed down week ten Tony Pollard, what say you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Only one running back is top to seventy yards against
Speaker 4: the Chargers. It's been a brutal matchup. And then you
Speaker 4: look at Vegas imply totals, the Titans sit at fifteen points.
Speaker 4: They're the only team below the Patriots in Week ten,
Speaker 4: So on paper, everything is brutal. And like you, I
Speaker 4: do think he might be a cel long term and
Speaker 4: that could start coming into effect in the weekly matchups.
Speaker 4: In the weekly usage, forty eight rushes over fifty touches
Speaker 4: over the past two games is just a lot for anybody,
Speaker 4: especially Tony Pollard. And he had a week five by
Speaker 4: so he's got to go twelve weeks straight or something
Speaker 4: sustaining health. And it wouldn't surprise me if they do
Speaker 4: try to like help him out and that and stop
Speaker 4: just putting so much on his plate because it's a
Speaker 4: lot for anybody to handle.
Speaker 1: It's kind of tough when they say, like, hey, we
Speaker 1: want him to like touch the ball less after he
Speaker 1: had twenty eight touches. So it's like, okay, do you
Speaker 1: want less than the twenty eight that's still amazing? Or
Speaker 1: is this a general statement because if it goes from
Speaker 1: you know, nineteen down to fourteen carries, okay, that's not good.
Speaker 1: But if it goes from twenty eight down to twenty two,
Speaker 1: we can still live completely fine. But you just you
Speaker 1: take that and then you and just not look pretty
Speaker 1: decent over the weekend as well. Just you know in
Speaker 1: a run or two that I saw you take that
Speaker 1: and then you put it against one of the worst matchups.
Speaker 1: It doesn't it doesn't feel super great for this week.
Speaker 1: I would tell you at twenty three this is the
Speaker 1: land of pivoting that you could probably start to do.
Speaker 1: You know, like I don't even write a bove him
Speaker 1: on ECR with nause and Cuba. I'm really not sure.
Speaker 1: I'm getting cute with a lot of stuff, and I
Speaker 1: know it sounds weird to do with Pollard, but you
Speaker 1: might this might be the line of the Pollard and
Speaker 1: remandres where you start to look and you say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, if I got something else special in here,
Speaker 1: maybe I can pivot. Maybe someone did want to mess
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Speaker 1: RB's twenty five through thirty six. We start with Rico Dowdell,
Speaker 1: Rashad White, Brian Robinson, Bucky Irving, Javante, and Tank. That
Speaker 1: rounds out your top thirty Raheem Mostert, Austin Eckler, Tyler Algier,
Speaker 1: Travis etn Jalen Warren, and Ray Davis. That's going to
Speaker 1: be a fun one. Let's start with Rico Daddell, who
Speaker 1: I just talked about. Rico has the Philadelphia Eagles for
Speaker 1: some about to say the Phillies Baseball still on the
Speaker 1: mine four star matchup, but C plus rating here, Rico
Speaker 1: is twenty five. Fitch, you got him at twenty five
Speaker 1: as well, but Jacob you got him at twenty seven.
Speaker 1: So let's get your take on Rico Dawdell being the
Speaker 1: guy we've heard nothing about Ezekiel Elliott. I would expect
Speaker 1: him to not play nor take anything away. We're kind
Speaker 1: of into an open season of Rico Dawdle having this
Speaker 1: and the did not go acquire anybody. That's what I
Speaker 1: thought could have been kind of tricky to this situation.
Speaker 1: Rico seems like one of those guys that could go higher.
Speaker 1: But Jacob, what say you on Rico datl because you
Speaker 1: are a few spots lower.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've seen this Fangio defense really shape up lately,
Speaker 4: and I do think it takes some time for it
Speaker 4: to come together. For his defenses, they've been really really
Speaker 4: good against the run. Past few running backs to face
Speaker 4: him have topped out of twenty four, thirty two, twenty three,
Speaker 4: forty three, forty nine, and forty nine rushing yards, so
Speaker 4: we haven't had any running back top fifty yards since
Speaker 4: Week three. On the ground, I'm not a huge Rico
Speaker 4: Dado believer either, and the offense I don't think is
Speaker 4: going to be very functional without the QB and the
Speaker 4: wide receiver one. They're sitting at seventeen as an implied
Speaker 4: point total for this week, so if you can avoid Rico,
Speaker 4: I would.
Speaker 1: In the projected points. It's another thing you can see
Speaker 1: on the ranks here. Rico is one of the final two,
Speaker 1: so there's technically in the RBS PAT there are only
Speaker 1: twenty six backs that are projected to have double digit
Speaker 1: scoring in half PPR this week. Rico is number twenty
Speaker 1: five at eleven point eight against Eagles in this divisional
Speaker 1: divisional matchup, pat what say you? I think you said
Speaker 1: you have him like right at consensus rank here. Do
Speaker 1: you think he's a tier difference away from Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: as well? Just kind of bridging that conversation again, do
Speaker 1: you think like they are complete tier difference or do
Speaker 1: you think it's close.
Speaker 3: I think there's a tear drop from Tony Pollard to
Speaker 3: Rico Dowdell. And you know, this is kind of a
Speaker 3: push pull situation. When Jacob mentioned that the Patriots and
Speaker 3: Titans have the lowest implied team point totals for this week,
Speaker 3: I was kind of surprised that Dallas is above those guys.
Speaker 3: Kind of a good reminder that I need to go
Speaker 3: and bet the team under for Dallas this week. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, with Ezekiel Elliott held out last week, we
Speaker 3: did see something close to workhorse usage for Dowbele a
Speaker 3: season high seventy one percent snapchare seventeen touches one hundred
Speaker 3: and seven yards from scrimmage. Also had that fun juggling
Speaker 3: touchdown catch that you know until say Quon Barkley had
Speaker 3: his great crazy Mario Brothers leap Rico's touchdown catch would
Speaker 3: have been the highlight of the week, but Saquon pretty
Speaker 3: much relegated that highlight to the dustbin. But you would
Speaker 3: think the Cowboys would be ready to turn this backfield
Speaker 3: over to Rico by now with what you know. Ezekiel
Speaker 3: Elliott and Dalvin Cook have not been able to do
Speaker 3: for the Cowboys. On the other hand, yeah, this is
Speaker 3: a much less potent offense with Cooper Rush at quarterback
Speaker 3: instead of Dak Prescott. So it's going to mean fewer touchdowns,
Speaker 3: maybe fewer plays if Dallas can't sustain drive, so workhorse
Speaker 3: usage perhaps, but it might be sort of empty volume.
Speaker 1: You know those videos you can watch online, it's like
Speaker 1: like you watch people react to like, you know, the
Speaker 1: first time they've heard something. Those reaction videos. I could
Speaker 1: watch his teammates, Saquon Barkley's by the way, to that play.
Speaker 1: There's a video out there of his teammates seeing him
Speaker 1: do the backwards jump. I could watch four thousand of
Speaker 1: those all day long. It was one of the most
Speaker 1: spectacular plays and it was just like, what like the
Speaker 1: greatest fourteen yard gain in NFL history. It felt like
Speaker 1: just watching everybody was phenomenal. I know it is more
Speaker 1: about Rico here, but had to talk about that Sikuan,
Speaker 1: that Sique broken tackle. Let's talk about the Bucks situation.
Speaker 1: Bucky Irving comes in here at twenty eight. This is
Speaker 1: like the weekly Bucks Rashad White versus Bucky Irving conversation,
Speaker 1: and Rashad White keeps holding his value. I think is
Speaker 1: a testament here too, is like this has not happened.
Speaker 1: Bucky Irving is clearly just the better runner, and he's
Speaker 1: the guy that they want between the tackles, but Rashad
Speaker 1: White gets the touchdowns, keeps rolling. Rashad White comes in
Speaker 1: at twenty six this week against the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: Bucky Irving, though at twenty eight there seems to be
Speaker 1: a head situation. Forty nine ers have you kind of
Speaker 1: can run on them. There's been a thing you've been
Speaker 1: able to do this year, But Rashad White still holds it.
Speaker 1: Pat what say you about Bucky turning? This into kind
Speaker 1: of both of the guys a Bucky Irving but be
Speaker 1: Rashad White and them battling out their ranks. Because you
Speaker 1: do have Bucky Irving at twenty six, do you have
Speaker 1: him higher than Rashad White?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like one spot so our colleague Sam Hoppin does
Speaker 3: a terrific weekly article looking at usage trends, and you know,
Speaker 3: he points out that the Buccaneers running back usage has
Speaker 3: been pretty fantasy friendly in recent weeks. And you know,
Speaker 3: both running backs Irving and Rashad White have averaged around
Speaker 3: five point three high value touches per game, and we
Speaker 3: want those valuable high value touches, carries close to the
Speaker 3: goal line, pass receptions, and Bucky's passing game usage has
Speaker 3: been up, and it makes sense that the Buccaneers in
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield are leaning more on the running backs in
Speaker 3: the passing game without Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. So yeah,
Speaker 3: the Tampa Bay running backs had a rough go of
Speaker 3: it against the Chiefs on Monday, but pretty much every
Speaker 3: running back has a rough go of it against the
Speaker 3: chief who have a lot of the fewest fantasy points
Speaker 3: per game to running backs by a wide like wide margin.
Speaker 2: They are number one with.
Speaker 3: A bullet So Irving had seven carries twenty four yards,
Speaker 3: three catches for ten yards. I think there might be
Speaker 3: a wee bit of recency bias with the ECR here
Speaker 3: after that disappointing performance.
Speaker 2: But Buckys look terrific this year.
Speaker 3: He's averaging five yards per carry, and I don't think
Speaker 3: Bucky Irving stakeholders should share like they should not be
Speaker 3: afraid of this matchup. As you mentioned Welsh forty nine
Speaker 3: ers defense nineteenth in Dvoa against the run like this
Speaker 3: is not the same sort of matchup Bucky faced against
Speaker 3: the Chiefs last week.
Speaker 1: Well in the type of running backs that do really
Speaker 1: well against the forty and ers are guys like Bucky.
Speaker 1: But you know, if they are playing from behind and
Speaker 1: you've got coverage, you know, focusing on Kate Otten, let's say,
Speaker 1: like a Fred Warner, it does leave open opportunities where
Speaker 1: a guy like Rashad White could maybe eat Jacob. You
Speaker 1: are lower on Bucky Irving than ECR. Do you have
Speaker 1: this flip where you were Rashad over Bucky this week?
Speaker 4: Yes, and I hate it. Bucky's my favorite running back
Speaker 4: in the NFL. Have been super high on him this year,
Speaker 4: So I really don't like to come on and represent
Speaker 4: a negative side with Bucky here. But yeah, I'm just
Speaker 4: a little bit worried about Tampa Bay. I do really
Speaker 4: recognize that, you know, the Niners have been easy to
Speaker 4: run on. Then the Chiefs hope for a better efficiency
Speaker 4: game from Bucky, but we do have to point out
Speaker 4: that he has twenty three, forty four and twenty four
Speaker 4: rushing yards of his past three games that since for
Speaker 4: shot White has returned thirty five, forty two and thirty
Speaker 4: five percent snap rates for Bucky in those games. It's
Speaker 4: a short week of rest for Tampa Bay, whereas the
Speaker 4: Niners are coming off of their bye week. The Bucks,
Speaker 4: I think, don't have a great implied total if I
Speaker 4: remember correctly, twenty two and a half, that's middle of
Speaker 4: the pack.
Speaker 2: I just I don't know.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of gamescript things here that don't set
Speaker 4: up super well for Bucky and seem like maybe more
Speaker 4: of a shot White type of a game. And until
Speaker 4: we see Bucky like really get it going on the
Speaker 4: ground and building some momentum, I just feel a bit
Speaker 4: hesitant to put him in the lineup and I've got
Speaker 4: him everywhere, and that's I've kind of backed off because
Speaker 4: it's like, unless he gets a touchdown or gets kind
Speaker 4: of lucky with the receptions, it's all coming down to
Speaker 4: his rushing and the rushing really hasn't been there lately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the thing that we're all kind
Speaker 1: of implying not on the total, is that like, if
Speaker 1: the Bucks are playing from behind, it's more of a
Speaker 1: Rashad White game. And you know Niners coming off of
Speaker 1: a bye Christian McCaffrey coming back, if they're getting ahead,
Speaker 1: that team is going to be throwing the ball a
Speaker 1: lot more. Not that Bucky doesn't get involved in the
Speaker 1: passing game, you just might see a bit more Rashad White.
Speaker 1: It's a tough situation.
Speaker 4: I did want a note that we've really seen this
Speaker 4: screen game become concentrated on Rashad White and Bucky, which
Speaker 4: is dope. With Chris Godwin going down, I was curious
Speaker 4: where that would go. We've only seen two screens decayed
Speaker 4: and over the past two weeks, whereas White has five
Speaker 4: and Bucky Irving has four and the Bucks are probably
Speaker 4: maybe the best screen offense in the NFL. I really
Speaker 4: love Liam Cohen's offense, and so that that's a good
Speaker 4: note for both those guys.
Speaker 1: Rashad White reception total always something fun to play with
Speaker 1: in probably this week as well, the last one on
Speaker 1: this crew. Let's talk about Ray Davis. Ray Davis made
Speaker 1: his fantasy worth on that one play this past week
Speaker 1: and it's pushed him up to RB thirty six. It's
Speaker 1: a really interesting crew that's at the bottom here of
Speaker 1: the thirties. By the way, you're looking at like the
Speaker 1: Algiers and the Etiens and the Warren just a bunch
Speaker 1: of people you don't trust. Amazing we're you know, we're
Speaker 1: still looking at et and someone we just don't trust anymore.
Speaker 1: And then Ray Davis almost just kind of pokes his
Speaker 1: head in and just like, hey, guys, I'm even less trustworthy.
Speaker 1: Even though he's this amazingly talented player. You just got
Speaker 1: to get more out of him. And he comes into
Speaker 1: ECR thirty six. Jacob's got him at thirty six, but Pat,
Speaker 1: you've got him have forty here. So is this as
Speaker 1: simple as like Ray Davis is super fun, but like
Speaker 1: he's got to do something with his six touches per game?
Speaker 1: Is that what he says about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly it. I mean, I love the player.
Speaker 3: But aside from that week six game against the Jets
Speaker 3: where James Cook was out and Ray Davis rolled up
Speaker 3: over one hundred and fifty yards from scrimmage, he has
Speaker 3: averaged six touches a game. Welsh in all other games,
Speaker 3: So his snap shares the last three weeks twenty fourteen percent.
Speaker 3: He doesn't even have the backup role to himself because
Speaker 3: the Bills also like to play Ty Johnson. One of
Speaker 3: ray Davis's six touches last week went for sixty three
Speaker 3: yards and a touchdown. That's it's just not the type
Speaker 3: of production I want to chase. And I realize it
Speaker 3: is a four team by week and some people are
Speaker 3: kind of looking at ray Davis on their bench like
Speaker 3: do do I play for that big play and maybe
Speaker 3: put him in a flex spot. I'm at this position
Speaker 3: in a few leagues where I'm actually looking at ray Davis.
Speaker 2: Like I might actually consider starting this guy.
Speaker 3: But man, you were just kind of chasing that long
Speaker 3: touchdown from last week.
Speaker 2: And when you're.
Speaker 3: Getting six touches a game, give or take, man, you
Speaker 3: need that big play to pay off because if you're
Speaker 3: doing it on volume alone, it could be a rough ride.
Speaker 1: The simple story is running have stunk, especially depth at
Speaker 1: running back, at something everybody thought we were going to
Speaker 1: be able to. Like every week we'll have six or
Speaker 1: seven waiver guys and we'll just have this great time
Speaker 1: and it's like Nope. After like twenty six everything stinks, Jacob.
Speaker 1: Is it as simple love the player, hate the game
Speaker 1: with Ray Davis here?
Speaker 4: Hm? For sure. He always say one of his touches
Speaker 4: is a goal line touch, and so like, if you're
Speaker 4: gonna bet on somebody random, maybe you bet on a
Speaker 4: Buffalo Bill. They've got twenty six point implied total. They
Speaker 4: could get up big on the Colts and maybe Ray
Speaker 4: Davis gets a few more touches. But yeah, it's it's
Speaker 4: a really really thin bet you're making here.
Speaker 1: Do you just quickly, Jacob, do you think that Etan
Speaker 1: win out there is a tier difference above guys like
Speaker 1: Jalen Warren, Ray Davis, Tyler Algie or do you think
Speaker 1: he belongs in that range now?
Speaker 4: No, I actually have Jayleen Warren above all of those guys.
Speaker 4: I don't know if we're going to talk about him
Speaker 4: or not. Et and I have quite a ways below.
Speaker 4: Just because the offense looks terrible. It's a really brutal
Speaker 4: match against Minnesota, maybe the toughest team to run on.
Speaker 4: He only had a thirty three percent now rate last week.
Speaker 4: Maybe that goes up, but they were getting all through
Speaker 4: running backs involved.
Speaker 1: I'll throw Jalen Warren at US then real quick, because
Speaker 1: we're inning out the rbs here. What's your take on
Speaker 1: Jalen Warren.
Speaker 4: Then, Yeah, he's been playing more and I think he
Speaker 4: should be the healthiest he's been all year. It's been
Speaker 4: a frustrating year from a health standpoint, but they're coming
Speaker 4: out of the by I really like him as a talent,
Speaker 4: and he's got a match up against Washington where you
Speaker 4: can run the ball against the Commanders. That's probably been
Speaker 4: the case lately, and teams have really been focused more
Speaker 4: on the run game against the Commanders. I think that's
Speaker 4: probably exactly what we'll see from a coaching staff that
Speaker 4: likes to run the ball. Specifically, the Commanders have been
Speaker 4: really bad against man gap runs. We're getting really in
Speaker 4: the weeds here, but Jayalen Warren is one of the
Speaker 4: best running backs in the NFL in those types of runs.
Speaker 4: Not that the Steelers do that all out there, mostly
Speaker 4: his own heavy defense or offense, but they've leaned into
Speaker 4: more up the middle kind of runs lately, and I
Speaker 4: think Warren could gash them for a few big plays
Speaker 4: in this game.
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Speaker 1: This is wide Receiver Ranks. We are going through all
Speaker 1: the wide receivers for this week, wide receiver ones, twos,
Speaker 1: and threes with some big questions and hopefully answering some
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Speaker 1: and get right into these wide receiver ranks for week ten.
Speaker 1: Looking at the big board, number one Justin Jefferson, followed
Speaker 1: by Jamar Chase, Malik Nighbors, Aman Ross, Saint Brown, and
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hilly Pretty Choky top five. Cooper Cup comes in
Speaker 1: at six, followed by Garrett Wilson, Pokinakua, Deebo aj Brown,
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, and Drake London. ECR for Deebo Samuel is
Speaker 1: nine fits. You've got him outside of wide receiver one, Jacob,
Speaker 1: you have him at wide receiver six. So Jacob, let's
Speaker 1: talk about the high man here. Deebo Samuel coming off
Speaker 1: of the buye. He's the number one in that offense.
Speaker 1: Hopefully everybody's healthy. Christian McCaffrey coming back, maybe he doesn't
Speaker 1: really slightly take necessarily anything away. If anything, it might
Speaker 1: make them more efficient. But let's get your breakdown. Why
Speaker 1: is Debo in that top six?
Speaker 4: For you? I do think that Christian McCaffrey coming back
Speaker 4: helps the offense overall, and the Niners do have the
Speaker 4: second highest em player point totally this week. So I
Speaker 4: do think we're going to see a good game from
Speaker 4: them offensively. I think the buy came at exactly the
Speaker 4: right time for Deebo Samuel, and hopefully he will be
Speaker 4: healthier than we've seen him really since the beginning of
Speaker 4: the season. And then the big thing here is I
Speaker 4: just have to point out the per route data for
Speaker 4: Deebo Samuel with Brandon Ayuk off the field is absolutely absurd.
Speaker 4: So this is from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: He's run one hundred and six routes without Brandon Ayuk
Speaker 4: on the field. On those routes, he's averaged over four
Speaker 4: yards per route run. For reference, on that Tyreek Kill
Speaker 4: is the next highest player during that span at three
Speaker 4: point two. Justin Jefferson is next at two point eight.
Speaker 4: Deebo's at four point h nine yards per out run
Speaker 4: without Brandon Ayuk on the field. His target per route
Speaker 4: run rate rises to thirty six percent. Without Brandon Ayuk
Speaker 4: on the field, gets a little bit more downfit involvement,
Speaker 4: and then just over all the offenses funneled through him. Meanwhile,
Speaker 4: George Kittle's rates have been basically the same and they've
Speaker 4: risen a little bit without Ayuk on the field, But
Speaker 4: I think George Kittle has been more sensitive to Deebo's presence,
Speaker 4: which I think makes sense because of the vicinity which
Speaker 4: those players draw their targets is a little bit more similar,
Speaker 4: whereas Debo has been able to get a little bit
Speaker 4: more evolved down the field as a route runner and
Speaker 4: the first read target for the team. On that note,
Speaker 4: in the first game without Ayuk, it was a big
Speaker 4: game for Kittle and not so much for Debo, but
Speaker 4: the underlying data suggests that more big things could be coming.
Speaker 4: It was a forty one percent first read target rate
Speaker 4: for Deebo Samuel. That's per Fantasy Points status, so forty
Speaker 4: one percent of Rock Party's first read targets went to
Speaker 4: Deebo Samuel in that game. Thirty five percent for Kittles,
Speaker 4: So still really good for him. He's a tight end one.
Speaker 4: But I think people really sleep on Debo and we're
Speaker 4: going to get to Jalen Waddle lately. It's kind of
Speaker 4: a what have you done for me lately? Type of
Speaker 4: game that we play here. Don't forget how good Deebo
Speaker 4: Samuel is. That's kind of where I'll leave.
Speaker 1: It, you know, I'll agree with the Homer forty nine
Speaker 1: er stuff me. One thing I want to add, don
Speaker 1: This is not necessarily a counter two because I agree
Speaker 1: with everything, But something I've been beating the drum about
Speaker 1: that you do have to consider is Juwan Jennings. And
Speaker 1: when Juwan Jennings was in earlier this year, Juwan Jennings
Speaker 1: ended up playing that Brandon Ayuk role early in the year.
Speaker 1: He was the deep threat guy that brock perty loved
Speaker 1: to go to. We have not had Juwan Jennings. He
Speaker 1: is back in practice, looks like he's going to play.
Speaker 1: I don't really think that has to take away from
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel, but just this is maybe that reminder that
Speaker 1: Juwan Jennings might be that play as he comes back. Pat.
Speaker 1: I don't imagine that Juwan Jennings is a reason that
Speaker 1: you're putting Deebo Samuel outside of the top twelve. But
Speaker 1: you have been actually been pretty high on Deebo, I
Speaker 1: feel like for some of the year. But what is
Speaker 1: your take where he is outside of the wide receiver
Speaker 1: one range for you?
Speaker 3: I have been mostly high on him, but Deebo is
Speaker 3: always such a hard player for me to rank because
Speaker 3: his target counts are all over the place. His involvement
Speaker 3: as a runner can be inconsistent. I feel like sometimes
Speaker 3: I'm leaning on vibes way more for Deebo Samuel that
Speaker 3: I'd like to rather than any hard data we can
Speaker 3: sink our teeth into. But I try not to have
Speaker 3: Takelock and Jacob just provided some incredibly interesting hard data
Speaker 3: that has me wanting to move up Debo in the rankings,
Speaker 3: because over four yards per target or per route run
Speaker 3: is just that is an insane number. And that's not
Speaker 3: a small sample size. That's over one hundred routes that
Speaker 3: we have with Debo playing without Ayuk on the field.
Speaker 3: So I didn't want to fall into the trap of
Speaker 3: thinking that Ayuk's absence would automatically make Debo smash play.
Speaker 3: But boy, that's a compelling reason to think he might
Speaker 3: indeed be a smash play. So yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 3: do have a hard time ranking him inside the top
Speaker 3: twelve when I know that the distribution of touches is
Speaker 3: also going to include Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, Juwan Jennings.
Speaker 3: But man, when I hear about those numbers and what
Speaker 3: Debo has done without Ayuk so far, I think I'm
Speaker 3: probably going to have to move him into wide receiver
Speaker 3: one range.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm going to be inside the top ten
Speaker 1: for Deebo Samuel. One other thing to consider, not that
Speaker 1: anyone is really considering, like not playing him again these
Speaker 1: are wide receiver ones. But one thing is Dievo has
Speaker 1: done a really good job in his career of playing
Speaker 1: off of that like short pass screen game, and I
Speaker 1: feel like that's kind of been gone this year. Christian
Speaker 1: McCaffrey makes that so much better. Where you can roll
Speaker 1: McCaffrey on one side, screen pass Debo on the other side.
Speaker 1: McCaffrey changes defensive looks, and it could you could get
Speaker 1: like old traditional We're going to just throw that screen
Speaker 1: pass to Debo three or four times a game and
Speaker 1: see what he can end up doing with it. Because
Speaker 1: they've also got better deep threat options with jennings Back
Speaker 1: and Kittle. Just the thing to think about that, Like,
Speaker 1: I know this is semantics about a wide receiver one,
Speaker 1: but I lean with Jacob here that I really do
Speaker 1: think that Debo has a chance to smash more than anything,
Speaker 1: even though they're bringing such a big fantasy option back
Speaker 1: to the team, and like an interesting I think We
Speaker 1: already have the answer here. Pat, you have Puka over Debo, correct,
Speaker 1: I do Deebo over Pooka.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And honestly, I'm considering moving above Jamar Chase. We'll
Speaker 4: get to him later in the tight end discussion. But
Speaker 4: the splits with t Higgins off the field are pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know me, I'm like, do it, do it.
Speaker 1: Let's just go for it. All right, let's jump into
Speaker 1: the wide receiver two. Here's only one guy to talk
Speaker 1: about in the wide receiver one range. You guys know
Speaker 1: what to do with those thirteen through twenty four. DeVante
Speaker 1: Adams comes in at thirteen, DeVonta Smith, Terry McLaurin, George Pickens, C. D.
Speaker 1: Lamb is pushed down there. That's definitely people just hedging.
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas tanked ol number twenty is Darnell Mooney, Josh
Speaker 1: Downs at twenty one, Lad McConkey, DeAndre Hopkins, and Khalil Shakir.
Speaker 1: That is the matchup. By the way, twenty one wide
Speaker 1: receivers are given the A plus start and sit rating.
Speaker 1: That's a lot and because we grade them out, you
Speaker 1: can go and look on the Fantasy Ranks page. You
Speaker 1: get the matchup. Rating overall, and then if it's an
Speaker 1: A or B twenty one wide receivers with at least
Speaker 1: an A minus or higher, and guess what number twenty
Speaker 1: one is? Josh Downs. Guy that we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about here, Josh Downs. It was a disappointment last week
Speaker 1: in the Joe Flacco taking over for Anthony Richardson world
Speaker 1: because expectations were absolutely sky high for Josh Downs because
Speaker 1: he was going to eat now. He still was like
Speaker 1: the guy for Joe Flacco. But Flacco struggled. Pass rush
Speaker 1: destroyed him. He had no ability to get away. I
Speaker 1: mean he had one point four seconds to throw the ball.
Speaker 1: It seemed like every single time, but in turn it
Speaker 1: ended up affecting Josh Downs. And I think maybe even
Speaker 1: like a Bilos situation fits you. You are lower than consensus, Jacob,
Speaker 1: you are higher, So this would be a good conversation.
Speaker 1: But Fitz, let's start with you. You do have Downs still
Speaker 1: in the wide receiver two territory, but looks like he
Speaker 1: is just holding on. Do you think Joe Flacco is
Speaker 1: going to get back to that Joe Flacco we saw
Speaker 1: earlier where everyone was like, please get him in the
Speaker 1: lineup to make Josh Downs.
Speaker 2: You know the guy good que question.
Speaker 3: I'm less optimistic about Joe Flacco than most people, I think,
Speaker 3: And man, it's funny. I had a poor week ranking
Speaker 3: wide receivers last week, and that was with me sort
Speaker 3: of fading Josh Downs. And maybe if he had smashed
Speaker 3: the way some people were expecting him too, I really
Speaker 3: would have been in the basement with my wide receiver rankings.
Speaker 3: Downs does seem to have passed Michael Pittman Junior as
Speaker 3: the primary target the Colts lead receiver. He's up against
Speaker 3: the Bills this week, and yes, it is easier to
Speaker 3: attack the Bills from the slot than it is with
Speaker 3: your outside receivers, who the Bills have been pretty much
Speaker 3: blanketing this season. I just want to see more from Downs.
Speaker 3: I want to see more touchdowns. I want to see
Speaker 3: more big yardage games. I'm just not ready to rank
Speaker 3: him as a set it and forget it top twenty
Speaker 3: wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Every week.
Speaker 3: I'm getting closer because those weekly target totals have been
Speaker 3: pretty consistent when he is playing with Joe Flacco, and honestly,
Speaker 3: even when he was playing with Anthony Richardson. At the
Speaker 3: end there it seemed like Downs had become the lead
Speaker 3: receiver for the So I'm warming up, but I'm not
Speaker 3: quite ready to meet ECR.
Speaker 1: Just yet, Jacob, you are beating ECR. You've got him
Speaker 1: at seventeen. Was last week a little bit more of
Speaker 1: an outlier than anything else aspect, not just with Flaco
Speaker 1: but with Josh Downs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the Colts three in the fewest plays
Speaker 4: of any offense last week, so you could call it
Speaker 4: an outlier. And even still twelve PPR points. You know
Speaker 4: that's not bad at a wide receiver position that has
Speaker 4: been pretty bren this year. That's his lowest total in
Speaker 4: four games with Flaco. The other ones he had twenty
Speaker 4: sixteen and twenty PPR points. I just I think Josh
Speaker 4: Downs is an insanely good player and fun player. He's
Speaker 4: maybe my favorite even in the NFL. So I am
Speaker 4: a little bit biased, but the numbers back it up.
Speaker 4: This is on a per route basis, and it's important
Speaker 4: to note that he's only running about two thirds of
Speaker 4: the routes because he only plays in three receiver sets.
Speaker 4: But I think we'll see a lot of three receiver
Speaker 4: sets if the Colts are losing, which they're expected to
Speaker 4: be losing. Against the Bills here, but on a per
Speaker 4: route basis, Josh Downs when Anthony Richardson's not on the
Speaker 4: field is wide receiver one in targets per out run,
Speaker 4: wide receiver one in first downs per out run, wide
Speaker 4: receiver six in yards per out run, wide receiver two
Speaker 4: in PPR points per out run. He's really, really, really good.
Speaker 4: And that's with one play where if look to me,
Speaker 4: like he scored a touchdown and he got called back.
Speaker 4: If he had that, he'd probably went wide receiver one
Speaker 4: and PPR points spar out run. The matchup is there.
Speaker 4: I will say, like the culture only applied for twenty
Speaker 4: one points this week. So the only teams with a
Speaker 4: lower imply total are the Panthers, Cowboys, Broncos, Patriots, and Titans.
Speaker 4: So Vegas is kind of on Pat's side here with
Speaker 4: a little bit of hesitancy about what we've seen with
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco. So keep that in mind, just a little
Speaker 4: cold water to temper expectations. With all the goodness that
Speaker 4: I have threw out about Josh Downs.
Speaker 1: One thing I'll say too is when we look at
Speaker 1: the ranks, I feel like I'm always interested in like
Speaker 1: where that line is, Like, oh, this is where the
Speaker 1: questions start because obviously we're in like wide receiver ones
Speaker 1: and twos and there's not a ton of like real
Speaker 1: quite like are you gonna sit Terry McLaurin unless you
Speaker 1: play in a two wide receiver ten man league and
Speaker 1: you've got amazing options. But I think the questions start
Speaker 1: right around twenty. Darnell Mooney's at twenty. I love Darnell
Speaker 1: Mooney right now. Fifty two percent first read percentage from
Speaker 1: last week ridiculous, But I feel like the questions start here.
Speaker 1: And one, I just want to ask you guys, because
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at your physical ranks here. DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 1: went off last week and really looks to be in
Speaker 1: favor with the Chiefs. DeAndre Hopkins or Josh Downs Jacob,
Speaker 1: let's start with you for this week.
Speaker 4: I have Downs higher because I think he is a
Speaker 4: little bit safer. His median projection is much higher than Hopkins.
Speaker 4: But if you're looking only for upside, I'm glad you
Speaker 4: brought this up because there's the receivers who immediately follow
Speaker 4: Downs to my rankings are George Pickens, Darnagh Mooney, Tank Dell,
Speaker 4: Jaalen Waddo, DeAndre Hopkins, Marvin Harrison Junior, Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 4: Basically all of those guys have a much higher ceiling
Speaker 4: projection than Downs. Mooney is the one guy who's about
Speaker 4: the same in terms of their range of outcomes. All
Speaker 4: the other guys are like much more boom bust players
Speaker 4: with a really high ceiling. So it's kind of like,
Speaker 4: what type of profile are you looking for if you
Speaker 4: want more of a boom bus guy. I think Hopkins
Speaker 4: it definitely makes sense over Downs.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. That's actually something that comes up
Speaker 1: we get. I mean, we are just you know, we're
Speaker 1: littered with questions throughout the entire week, and sometimes the
Speaker 1: only context we can't answer with someone is like are
Speaker 1: you looking for upside? Are you looking for safety? Because
Speaker 1: sometimes it really is a real thing about just having
Speaker 1: like a safety net of points that that does play
Speaker 1: a role, and it might play a role into this range.
Speaker 1: But you can comment on that. But DeAndre Hopkins or
Speaker 1: Josh Downs this week?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I do have Hopkins ranked higher. But
Speaker 3: Jacob does make a good point, like if I were
Speaker 3: playing in a ten team PPR league and I actually
Speaker 3: had to make that choice, maybe if I was a
Speaker 3: ten point favorite. I'd go toward downs even though I
Speaker 3: have Hopkins ranked higher, because I do think that target
Speaker 3: and catch floor is safer. But I'm pretty much in
Speaker 3: on Hopkins. I mean, nine targets, eight catches, eighty six yards,
Speaker 3: two touchdowns against the Buccaneers on Monday night, and it
Speaker 3: seems like Hopkins has already established himself as the number
Speaker 3: one receiver on the Chiefs, and that connection with Patrick
Speaker 3: Mahomes is only going to get strong. I realized the
Speaker 3: Broncos this week are kind of a difficult matchup, and
Speaker 3: maybe Hopkins does see some of Patrick certain Junior. I
Speaker 3: still want to be bullish on Hopkins, though.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna throw a curveball at you. This
Speaker 1: is what, by the way, I asked that DeAndre Hopkins question,
Speaker 1: not even realizing on our sheet we had DeAndre Hopkins here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw one more little Yeah. It was a
Speaker 1: natural segue that I just did, and I wasn't even looking.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw this is the curveball here because it's
Speaker 1: not prepared. So we'll go to Pat first, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do kind of the same thing, because, like I said,
Speaker 1: I think this is like a really good range where
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of questions are gonna be
Speaker 1: centered around this, like wide receiver twenties to twenty fours
Speaker 1: in the same range Darnell Mooney or Khalil Shakir for
Speaker 1: this week, And do you think if whichever one you pick,
Speaker 1: do you think there is a tear difference? Mooney is
Speaker 1: at twenty Shakira is at twenty four. Shakira has been
Speaker 1: a dominant force, especially with Amari Cooper out, Keon Coleman
Speaker 1: banged up. Shakira is given a better overall matchup a
Speaker 1: four star rating versus darn Mooney's three star rating. So
Speaker 1: pat Darnell Mooney or Khalil Shakir.
Speaker 3: So the health of what maybe we should consider to
Speaker 3: be the lead receivers for each team makes a difference,
Speaker 3: because I think there's probably a better chance that Marii
Speaker 3: Cooper plays this week than there is of Drake London
Speaker 3: playing this week. But say Drake London were to play
Speaker 3: and Amari Cooper were to not play, then I would
Speaker 3: put Shakir over Darnell Mooney. But as of as of now,
Speaker 3: I would play Mooney, and I think he's probably a
Speaker 3: tier higher for.
Speaker 1: Me Okay, so that's good. I wanted to know the
Speaker 1: tier higher. Jacobs, same question, Khalil Shakiir, Darnel Mooney, you
Speaker 1: did tell us. I think you said Darnel Mooney. It's
Speaker 1: like eighteen, like somewhere right in that range. I didn't
Speaker 1: hear you say Shakiir. So if it is Mooney, is
Speaker 1: this like a tier above Shakir?
Speaker 4: I think they're basically the same tier. Jakir's at the
Speaker 4: bottom of the tier. I was a little bit disappointed
Speaker 4: to see Shakir's role scaled back, but the Bills seem
Speaker 4: insistent on doing that to him over and over and over,
Speaker 4: even though he's been one of the most productive receivers
Speaker 4: in the NFL. He was third on the team and
Speaker 4: routes around last week. I'd like to target Shakir. When
Speaker 4: the Bills are playing defenses to play a lot of
Speaker 4: two high safety looks so they can just pepper in
Speaker 4: with underneath stuff. And that's not what we're seeing against
Speaker 4: the Cults. They use a ton of Cover three, which
Speaker 4: is a single high safety zone coverage that typically lead
Speaker 4: to a lot of targets that they have Perimeter receivers.
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Speaker 1: five through thirty six. These are our wide receiver three
Speaker 1: starts with Marvin Harrison Junior, Calvin Ridley, DJ Moore, Cortland, Sutton,
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison, Jalen Waddle put a pin in that Jalen
Speaker 1: Wattle one right there at thirty Roma Dunza, Amari Cooper,
Speaker 1: Juwan Jennings So I mentioned at thirty three Jamison Williams
Speaker 1: is back, Xavier Liget and Michael Pittman. At thirty six
Speaker 1: Oki Dook. Let's jump into Jaalen Waddle. That was our
Speaker 1: tease for earlier in the show. This is I joked
Speaker 1: with Pat before the show. I said I needed the
Speaker 1: graphics team to put a graphic of me and ericson
Speaker 1: on the sinking Titanic as the band that refuses to
Speaker 1: get off like we Me and him have just been
Speaker 1: oh bo all the guy. I think a Chan was
Speaker 1: a win. By the way, we were right about buying
Speaker 1: a Chan on the cheap if you got the Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill was what I was beating the drum about early
Speaker 1: early on. It hasn't been great, but still good. Jalen
Speaker 1: Waddle has not worked, it has been bad, and this
Speaker 1: past week was not great. Wide Receiver thirty. This is
Speaker 1: an absolute breaking point for people after the last two
Speaker 1: weeks with Tua that he has not done well. Fitz,
Speaker 1: you've got him at twenty eight actually a little bit
Speaker 1: higher than ECR Oh, but mister Jacob Gibb, you got
Speaker 1: him at twenty one, baby, you got him as a
Speaker 1: wide receiver too. So please wax poetically on Jalen Waddle
Speaker 1: and how this is going to bounce back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm right there on the ship with you, and
Speaker 4: my listeners at FFT have been really frustrated. People are
Speaker 4: talking about dropping Jalen Wattle and everything. Let's zoom out
Speaker 4: a little bit. I know we live in a like
Speaker 4: what have you done formulalately world here in the fantasy
Speaker 4: football space. Let's zoom out for a little bit, and
Speaker 4: remember who we were talking about. We were talking about
Speaker 4: the wide receiver with the highest career yard per run
Speaker 4: rate at the collegiate level of any wide receiver drafted
Speaker 4: over the past five years. So that's higher than the
Speaker 4: legendary Pukunukua or Jackson Smith a jigba rates. That's higher
Speaker 4: than Devonte Smith. Some consider him the best collegiate wide
Speaker 4: receiver of all time, higher than Ceede. Lamb, higher than
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase. Awesome, awesome collegiate players. Number one, Jalen Waddle,
Speaker 4: he was then drafted sixth overall, gave us a thousand
Speaker 4: yards as a rookie. He's never had a season with
Speaker 4: fewer than a thousand yards. It's now twenty twenty four
Speaker 4: and he's on pace for six hundred and sixty yards
Speaker 4: and people are freaking out, which I mean, it makes sense.
Speaker 4: It has been really frustrating, but I do think it's
Speaker 4: important to first remember who we're talking about here. It's
Speaker 4: easy to lose sight of who the player is when we're,
Speaker 4: you know, micro analyzing things. He's played eight games, four
Speaker 4: with that Tua. The Dolphins were I think, really the
Speaker 4: least functional offense that we've seen for an extended period
Speaker 4: of time of any team this year during that time,
Speaker 4: So I'm honestly ready to throw those games completely out.
Speaker 4: Even in the four games with Tua, it has not
Speaker 4: been good and people are really frustrated, and I get that.
Speaker 4: So now we're going to zoom in on those four games.
Speaker 4: Two of those four games came against the Bills, one
Speaker 4: was against the Cardinals. Those are really unique matchups. Arizona's
Speaker 4: opponent first read target rate is only sixty three percent.
Speaker 4: That's by far the lowest in the NFL. The next
Speaker 4: lowest is sixty seven percent. The league averages seventy two
Speaker 4: percent this is per fantasy points data. So the Cardinals
Speaker 4: don't allow offenses to do what they would like to do.
Speaker 4: The Cardinals dictate what offenses do. They invite offenses to
Speaker 4: target running backs. They invite offenses to target tight ends
Speaker 4: and beat them with short plays, runs and short passes.
Speaker 4: The Cardinals stack the box at the lowest rate in
Speaker 4: the NFL. They really are just like a hands off defense.
Speaker 4: The Bills literally have the highest opponent running back target
Speaker 4: rate in the NFL and the lowest opponent wide receiver
Speaker 4: target rate in the NFL. Mcdermot's defense is what we've
Speaker 4: seen for a long time. In twenty twenty three, they
Speaker 4: had the third lowest opponent wide receiver target rate in
Speaker 4: the NFL the sixth lowest opponent first read target rate
Speaker 4: for the Bills defenses. So these are two defenses that
Speaker 4: are not normal matchups, and they make up seventy five
Speaker 4: percent of the sample size for Jalen Wadle with Tua
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four. In the other game, Watta win
Speaker 4: for one hundred and nine yards. I think it's entirely
Speaker 4: possible that we are like dramatically overreacting to a small
Speaker 4: sample size here four games, eight games is miniscool and
Speaker 4: the grand scheme of things, we have so much more
Speaker 4: data to suggests the Watto is like really a spectacular player.
Speaker 4: What can we expect this week? I certainly don't know,
Speaker 4: like the Dolphins have been all over the place, but
Speaker 4: like what I do know is the Rams have the
Speaker 4: fourth highest opponent wide receiver target rate, so it's much
Speaker 4: different than the defenses we just talked about. The other
Speaker 4: thing is this game has the highest over under of
Speaker 4: any being played in Week ten, so Vegas is expecting
Speaker 4: a shootout. And we just saw the Rams secondary look
Speaker 4: really easy to pick on. Jack and Smith and Jigba
Speaker 4: could have had two hundred fifty yards if not for
Speaker 4: penalties against this defense last week. And really, on top
Speaker 4: of that, there's a whole lot of schematic notes I
Speaker 4: could give you. I do think, specifically for Jalen while
Speaker 4: this matchup sets really well, But we have a bunch
Speaker 4: of players to discuss today. So for the sake of brevity,
Speaker 4: which is hilarious to say, after talking for three minutes
Speaker 4: about this, I'll just say google f FT Newsletter or
Speaker 4: google Jacob Gibbs newsletter and you'll find my free newsletter.
Speaker 4: Are right, every Wednesday Thursday, I do advanced matchups, and
Speaker 4: I'll of course be focused on Jalen model this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the things I would throw up Pat
Speaker 1: on the jail because I want to believe because I
Speaker 1: kind of agree with the totality of what Jacob's saying
Speaker 1: in that, like, you know, we are hyper focused on
Speaker 1: like a very very small sample size of being like,
Speaker 1: oh well, he's just washed and done when it has
Speaker 1: traditionally been really good. My only problem with this in
Speaker 1: general has been offensive scheme with the Dolphins looks off
Speaker 1: this year. Like I don't know how many games you
Speaker 1: watch where you're like, okay, Dolphins and then it's just run,
Speaker 1: run and run, runner and run. They're running more, they
Speaker 1: feel it looks like they feel less comfortable throwing the
Speaker 1: ball deep, even though they've got, you know, such one
Speaker 1: of the best deep ball players probably the NFL history,
Speaker 1: and Tyreek Hill like it. It feels from an offensive
Speaker 1: scheme standpoint that something is off. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the thing that's sticking in my crawl a little bit
Speaker 1: more than like Jalen Wattle is not good. Pat. You've
Speaker 1: got him about ECR maybe slightly higher. He's like a
Speaker 1: mid flex to you, what do you want to add
Speaker 1: or what do you want to throw in about Jalen Wattle.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if getting the ball into the hands
Speaker 3: of Devon ah Chen means the offense looks off, well shift,
Speaker 3: If that's wrong, I don't want to be right.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I agree with what you're saying, but you
Speaker 1: know what I'm getting at, Like Chan should get the
Speaker 1: ball four million times, but I'm saying it's just run, run, run,
Speaker 1: short passes, Like what happened to that Dolphins team that
Speaker 1: was slinging the ball and huge plays and Wattles getting
Speaker 1: ten catches down the middle. That that team isn't here
Speaker 1: this show.
Speaker 3: I hear you, But we we do have to expunge
Speaker 3: all data where we had either Skylar Thompson or Tyler
Speaker 3: Huntley at quarterback for the Dolphins. So like drilling down
Speaker 3: on the Tua thing, and Jacob makes the point that
Speaker 3: those a couple of those matchups that To or that
Speaker 3: well To and Wattle have had have not been ideal
Speaker 3: for outside wide receivers. So yeah, to me, it's just
Speaker 3: if Tua is healthy, you are starting Waddle unless the
Speaker 3: matchup is exceptionally putrid, and that is certainly not the
Speaker 3: case with the Rams. As Jacob pointed out, you know,
Speaker 3: they've given up the eighth most fantasy points to wide receivers,
Speaker 3: so by all means, lean into Jalen Waddle this week.
Speaker 3: And how great is it that last week one minute
Speaker 3: there was concern that Wattle had just torn his achilles,
Speaker 3: and the next minute he is catching his first touchdown
Speaker 3: pass of the.
Speaker 1: Season, saving the day too. You know, interesting you say
Speaker 1: you are playing him. One name that might kind of
Speaker 1: throw people off as a guy that could end up
Speaker 1: being started over him in some instances is the guy
Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, Juwan Jennings. I threw Juwan Jennings out.
Speaker 1: We didn't really sit and talk about him. He's ECR
Speaker 1: thirty three, bitch. You do have him at thirty, so
Speaker 1: you've got him right there. Let me save the Jacob
Speaker 1: ranking here. We'll do that here in a second. But
Speaker 1: what do you want to throw out about Jennings? Do
Speaker 1: you think Jennings is in the same territory as Wattle?
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd prefer to start Waddle, But like Jennings,
Speaker 3: what we've seen so far has been good. He obviously
Speaker 3: had that one smash game where everyone was expecting, you know,
Speaker 3: Ayuk to go off when Diebo was out of the lineup,
Speaker 3: and it was Juwan Jennings day one hundred and seventy
Speaker 3: five yards, three touchdowns. So far, Jennings has only drawn
Speaker 3: thirty six targets this season, but he's averaging eleven point
Speaker 3: two yards per target, two point seven five yards per
Speaker 3: route run, has an average depth of target of twelve
Speaker 3: point three yards. So Jennings is going to be the
Speaker 3: primary downfield receiver for Brock Perdy, who, by the way,
Speaker 3: has been cooking. So yeah, I mean, I feel pretty
Speaker 3: good about starting Jennings this.
Speaker 1: Week, as do I and as does Jacob, because this
Speaker 1: is where the fun rank is. Jacob, you were talking
Speaker 1: a ton about Debo, but what got buried when I
Speaker 1: gave my little thing about Juwan Jennings was also your rank.
Speaker 1: You've got him sixteen, so you've got essentially him taking
Speaker 1: over that Ayuk role. And that's kind of what I
Speaker 1: talked about when ayug injury went down, is like, there's
Speaker 1: a legitimate chance that Deebo goes back into his role
Speaker 1: and that Juwan Jennings takes over that Auk role. So
Speaker 1: what else do you want to add because you didn't
Speaker 1: get to really talk about Jennings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, only three wide receivers are averaging more yards per
Speaker 4: out run than Juwan Jennings this year. Nico Collins, A J. Brown,
Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson. Even if you take away that insane game
Speaker 4: against the Rams, he's still averaging over two yards per
Speaker 4: out run on the year. He's been really really good
Speaker 4: all year, not just one game. If you look at
Speaker 4: his career without Brandon Ayuk on the field, he's averaging
Speaker 4: two point eight yards per out run. That's exactly what
Speaker 4: he's averaging this year, and only I think fifteen of
Speaker 4: those routes came this year, So it's not like his
Speaker 4: phenomenal play this year is really influencing that data that
Speaker 4: I just gave for his career. I think it's possible
Speaker 4: that he's a really good player who's just been kind
Speaker 4: of hidden because the Niners have a lot of really
Speaker 4: good players. Anytime that they've needed him to make plays
Speaker 4: third and Juwan has come up big for them, and
Speaker 4: now they really do need him, and I think he
Speaker 4: might just keep coming up big. We'll see how healthy
Speaker 4: he is. But if he's healthy, everything looks good for
Speaker 4: San Fran This week they're playing a Bucks team that
Speaker 4: offenses have chosen to pass against. I brought up a
Speaker 4: pass right over expectation earlier in reference to like run
Speaker 4: heavy defenses. The Bucks I think have the third or
Speaker 4: fourth highest the fifth highest opponent pass right over expectation. So,
Speaker 4: all things equal, teams choose to pass even when you know,
Speaker 4: maybe think they would be expected to run. And so
Speaker 4: I do think we'll see a potentially a huge game
Speaker 4: for Juwan here. I'm curious how Ricky Piersall will affect things.
Speaker 4: Do you guys have any do you have any takes
Speaker 4: on how much your player or be involved here.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's playable for fantasy, like I think,
Speaker 3: you know, the third receiver for the forty nine Ers
Speaker 3: tends to be less valuable than on other teams just
Speaker 3: because they like to play Kyle Buscheck so much.
Speaker 1: H and Christian McCaffrey and Kittle. I mean, he is,
Speaker 1: at best best the fifth option on that team. Possibilities,
Speaker 1: you know, in through wide receiver sets, there's definitely possibilities
Speaker 1: that he could do a little something. But not being
Speaker 1: playable I think is the most important thing for what it's.
Speaker 4: For what it's worth fantasy points datas average separation scorer
Speaker 4: has Juwan Jennings is the clear wide receiver two behind
Speaker 4: a Yuk, well ahead of Deebo Samuel, and he's been
Speaker 4: much much better as a downfield route runner the Deebo
Speaker 4: Samuel two. I do think it makes sense he'll kind
Speaker 4: of step into that. Iukrol if anybody's going to two
Speaker 4: last ones.
Speaker 1: Let's do some quick hitters here. Xavier Leget wide receiver
Speaker 1: thirty five, Jacob, you have got him at thirty three
Speaker 1: fits he is outside of the top thirty six wide
Speaker 1: receivers for you, Fitz. Let's get a take on Xavier Leget.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean he scored touchdowns in three of his last
Speaker 3: four games, and he is just a beast after the catch,
Speaker 3: Like I love what a physical marvel he is and
Speaker 3: has the ball in his hands. I don't think he's
Speaker 3: a very polished route runner. And I do wonder if
Speaker 3: we do see Adam Thielen back in Germany this week,
Speaker 3: and if we do see Adam Thielen back, if Bryce
Speaker 3: Young goes back to leaning on Adam Thielen the way
Speaker 3: he did for much of his rookie season, because Adam
Speaker 3: Thielen is a polished route runner, whereas xavior League Get
Speaker 3: really is not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd almost wonder too long term if they say
Speaker 1: we're going to do you a favor and release you
Speaker 1: so you can go do something with a team that
Speaker 1: can do something, because that's the problem is backing any
Speaker 1: panther Jacob anything you want to add with lee Get.
Speaker 4: He had his highest first retarget rate of his career
Speaker 4: last week, so that's good to see him show some
Speaker 4: ability to draw targets and be like trusted as the
Speaker 4: top target in the offense. The other thing I'll throw
Speaker 4: out is the Giants defense really struggled to get pressure
Speaker 4: last week. They blit sixty percent of the time against
Speaker 4: Washington and only got press for twenty percent of the time,
Speaker 4: so that is weird. I think the defense maybe is
Speaker 4: taken a step back as the year has gone on,
Speaker 4: and Bryce has been playing pretty well, surprisingly well, so
Speaker 4: I think you can feel cautiously optimistic about League Get here.
Speaker 1: The last one we're going to do an outside the
Speaker 1: top thirty six. It is a price check Quentin Johnston.
Speaker 1: Price check ECR thirty nine fits you've got him at
Speaker 1: thirty six. Jacobyov At fifty one. This is a big discrepancy, Jacob.
Speaker 1: You are like my dear friend Scott Bogman, where he
Speaker 1: sees Quinton Johnson do something, he goes, I don't believe you.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much every single time he doesn't trust it.
Speaker 1: Do you not trust it? Jacob?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I hate to say it.
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to hit on the guy, but I
Speaker 4: think he's been the luckiest player, or at least the
Speaker 4: luckiest wide receiver in the NFL this year. He had
Speaker 4: sixty six yards in a touchdown on a broken play.
Speaker 4: He had twenty six yards on the last play of
Speaker 4: the game versus prevent defense where the try and lateral stuff.
Speaker 4: So that's seventeen PPR points on two really random plays.
Speaker 4: He only had a sixty eight percent route rate, so
Speaker 4: it's not like he's a full time player yet. I
Speaker 4: think the offense really runs through that McConkey. The good
Speaker 4: news is the charges are throwing a lot more and
Speaker 4: so you know, maybe he does have a decent game.
Speaker 4: But I'm not taking what we saw last week. I'm
Speaker 4: taking it with a big crative salt.
Speaker 1: FITZI, you got a miss a starter in the wide
Speaker 1: receiver three. You have met thirty six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Johnston has not seen more than six
Speaker 3: targets in any game this season. But and as Jacob mentioned,
Speaker 3: some of his yardage has been a little bit hokey.
Speaker 3: So maybe we should take his fifteen points seven yards
Speaker 3: per catch and ten point four yards per target with
Speaker 3: a grain of salt. But what I do find encouraging
Speaker 3: After catching fifty six points seven percent of his targets
Speaker 3: last year, he's up to sixty six.
Speaker 2: Point seven this year.
Speaker 3: We have not seen the paddle hands that we saw
Speaker 3: last year, the frying pain hands like he's actually bringing
Speaker 3: the ball in, and the real appeal. Big plays four
Speaker 3: touchdowns in six games, and he is athletic and a big,
Speaker 3: dangerous man with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 1: Gentlemen, let's talk about some quarterback ranks for the week.
Speaker 1: Our big board number one, of course, Lamar Jackson, Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts at number two, Josh and Joe Burrow, Jayden Daniels
Speaker 1: back in that top five, Brock Purty at six, Sam Donald,
Speaker 1: kirk Cousins, Patrick Mahomes, Matt Stafford Baker Mayfield and Tua
Speaker 1: at twelve. Let me ask you an off scripted question,
Speaker 1: real quick pat of that top twelve, where is the
Speaker 1: least trust of any of those starting twelve quarterbacks? I
Speaker 1: see a couple different tiers in there, you know, like tier.
Speaker 1: I mean, there might be a Lamar Jackson his own tier,
Speaker 1: and then there might be this open up tier that
Speaker 1: goes to Purty, and then maybe maybe Purty is in
Speaker 1: the Donald Cousins range. I'm kind of I'm verbally saying
Speaker 1: all of this, but like, if of the top twelve quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: is there one that you think just stands out like
Speaker 1: a sore thumb that you really are not trusting?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've got Baker Mayfield ranked outside QB
Speaker 3: one territory. I just Mayfield has played so well and
Speaker 3: Liam Cohen has done an amazing job designing the Buccaneers
Speaker 3: offense and making it functional without Mike Evans and Chris Godwin.
Speaker 3: But ultimately Baker doesn't have Mike Evans or Chris Godwin,
Speaker 3: and he is relying on you know, cad Otten and
Speaker 3: Rashad White and Bucky Irving to be the engines of
Speaker 3: this offense, a little Sterling Shepherd and Trey Palmer mixed in,
Speaker 3: so didn't even have Jalen McMillan in week nine. So
Speaker 3: lack of weaponry is why I'm a little hesitant on
Speaker 3: Baker this week.
Speaker 1: And when I asked the question, it's probably Jacob. I'm
Speaker 1: probably pointing fingers that maybe like Stafford or Baker or
Speaker 1: Baker or Tua. I mean, if you know you were
Speaker 1: there with with Mahomes, you know, don't break the internet.
Speaker 1: But I feel like those three are the guys that
Speaker 1: I'm kind of pointing out when I say that. So
Speaker 1: the same question to you, is there somebody that stands out?
Speaker 1: Is it Baker or maybe is it somebody else?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Baker. Seven point three percent touchdown ray for
Speaker 4: him is just seems like it's got to regress, and
Speaker 4: like a natural regression spot is here with his receivers out.
Speaker 4: I think that's kind of what we're going to see.
Speaker 4: We saw it a bit last week, and we've seen
Speaker 4: it just reflected in where the biggest expectations are for
Speaker 4: this team each week. Twenty two and a half point
Speaker 4: over under for the Bucks in this game. I think
Speaker 4: it was at like nineteen last week against the Chiefs.
Speaker 4: They could continue to exceed that. You know, it's a
Speaker 4: game that could turn into a shootout. Second highest implied
Speaker 4: point total of the week here against San Francisco. But
Speaker 4: like I brought up on the Receiver Show, we've got
Speaker 4: around the running Back Show with Bucky Irving, We've got
Speaker 4: the Bucks coming off a short week arrest, the Niners
Speaker 4: coming off thereby. So I just don't love the spot here.
Speaker 1: A couple quarterbacks that are outside of the top twelve then,
Speaker 1: because you know, there's a lot of chalk in there,
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that maybe aren't posing big questions.
Speaker 1: There are some and Daniel Jones is one of them.
Speaker 1: He in the ECR of sixteen. Not on the board here,
Speaker 1: Jacob's got you got him at eighteen, you got him lower.
Speaker 1: But FITZI, this is one of those spots. He actually
Speaker 1: takes the Baker Mayfield spot for you. So, Fitz, let's
Speaker 1: start with you. Daniel Jones QB one this week.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, Jones has all of his pass cashers healthy and
Speaker 3: has a terrific matchup against the Panthers. Carolina has the
Speaker 3: second worst opponent passer rating in the league. They're giving
Speaker 3: up eight yards per pass attempt and they've allowed eighteen
Speaker 3: touchdown passes, tied four third most in the league. And
Speaker 3: Jones adds value as a runner, like I'm starting him
Speaker 3: in a couple of super flex leagues and including the
Speaker 3: Scott Fish Ball this week, and I feel perfectly fine
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: Jacob, your thoughts here on Daniel Jones as he is
Speaker 1: outside of the ECR range for you almost, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's still in the flex range for you at eighteen,
Speaker 1: but not in single quarterback. What does your take on
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones?
Speaker 4: I could be too low on him, for sure, because
Speaker 4: the Giants have maybe the highest imply total they've had
Speaker 4: all year twenty three and a half. Vegas really does
Speaker 4: not give Carolina's defense any respect at all, and I
Speaker 4: think that makes sense. My hope here is the and
Speaker 4: this may truly just be hope because I'm so invested
Speaker 4: in Tyrone Tracy's success. I think we might see the
Speaker 4: Giants really on the ground game here. I think they
Speaker 4: know what they've got with Daniel Jones and don't probably
Speaker 4: want to push it a whole lot and set themselves
Speaker 4: up for more opportunities to be embarrassed, and might just
Speaker 4: lean on their awesome rookie, which they've done at times
Speaker 4: this year, and I think they'll be able to do
Speaker 4: successfully against Carolina. They are heavy favorites favored by almost
Speaker 4: a touchdown against the Panthers. The running hasn't been quite
Speaker 4: as high as I would like for Daniel Jones, so
Speaker 4: I think it makes sense to have him higher than
Speaker 4: I do have him, But personally, I just don't. I
Speaker 4: don't want any exposure to the potential ten points that
Speaker 4: I might get from Daniel Jones. There's a number of
Speaker 4: guys that I feel a little more confident in.
Speaker 1: Tyrone Tracy is the thing focus there that's hidden in there,
Speaker 1: not about Daniel Jones. Justin Herbert is another interesting one.
Speaker 1: We're going to kind of point back to Fisk. What
Speaker 1: We'll start with Jacob here, Justin Herbert QB seventeen. You
Speaker 1: guys both have him higher than ECR P Jaco. Let's
Speaker 1: start with you've got him at fifteen, not a ton
Speaker 1: if maybe your deeper league single quarterback here. Give us
Speaker 1: your take on Herbert.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I need to be higher. I think I saw
Speaker 4: Fitzi's rank and I was psyched to see it. Usin
Speaker 4: Herbert's been playing so well this year and we're finally
Speaker 4: seeing it turn around. I think luck has not been
Speaker 4: doing him any favors in terms of like converting touchdowns
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. But he has been finding the
Speaker 4: INZ one lately and the Chargers are throwing a lot more.
Speaker 4: Three straight weeks, the Chargers have had a positive pass
Speaker 4: rate over expectation. The PROE for LA over the past
Speaker 4: three weeks would rank fourth over the course of the
Speaker 4: full season for some reference as to just how past
Speaker 4: heavy they've been. And I don't think that's necessarily random.
Speaker 4: I think that does time up with their bye week
Speaker 4: in week five, and just with how well Herbert's playing,
Speaker 4: how well Lad McConkie is playing. So yeah, it's an
Speaker 4: exciting time to roster Herbert, I think.
Speaker 1: So what is that rank that got Jacob so excited?
Speaker 1: From fits eight QB eight for you, FITZI this week
Speaker 1: on Herbert.
Speaker 3: I might be as far out over my skis on
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert as I was with my Jameis Winston ranking
Speaker 3: last week.
Speaker 2: So, but we have.
Speaker 3: Seen a pretty sea change out of this offense. I mean,
Speaker 3: for the first four games, Justin Herbert was averaging one
Speaker 3: hundred and forty four point five passing yards a game,
Speaker 3: and since the start of October, so going back more
Speaker 3: than a month, thirty three passing attempts per game two
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty six point eight passing yards per game.
Speaker 3: I don't want to think that Greg Roman has turned
Speaker 3: into Don Coriel here as far as a play caller,
Speaker 3: but Herbert wasn't totally healthy early in the season, like
Speaker 3: he had that plantar fascitis, so maybe Greg Roman was
Speaker 3: protecting him a little bit with the play calling and
Speaker 3: now feels like the gloves are off and he is
Speaker 3: ready to unleash Herbert. And I don't totally hate the
Speaker 3: matchup against the Titans. It's kind of a middling matchup
Speaker 3: like that. Pass defense was tougher earlier in the season
Speaker 3: than it's been lately, so wheels up for Justin.
Speaker 4: Herbert and offenses have really started passing more against the
Speaker 4: Titans and avoiding running. I think specifically because the times
Speaker 4: have been really really tough against the run, so passwad
Speaker 4: over expectation on defense. The Titans are top twelve, meaning
Speaker 4: teams have passed more against them, and over the past
Speaker 4: three weeks their top five, so I think even if
Speaker 4: the Chargers are winning, you still might see them pass
Speaker 4: a little bit more, which is what we saw last
Speaker 4: week too with the Chargers.
Speaker 1: The last quarterback that we'll talk about we gave Fitzi
Speaker 1: the feature here of the high rank. Well, Jacob, you
Speaker 1: get the high rank on Drake May this week. ECR
Speaker 1: is twenty three. Jacob's got him at fourteen fits. You
Speaker 1: got him at twenty two fits. Let's get your quick
Speaker 1: take on Drake May, who has been running around making
Speaker 1: things happen. You've got him barely on that super flex range.
Speaker 1: Anything you want to add before we get Jacob's hot
Speaker 1: take on Drake May.
Speaker 3: I'm just very pro Drake May, and I'm excited to
Speaker 3: see Jacob high on him. And part of it is
Speaker 3: that the Bears have a lot of the fewest fantasy
Speaker 3: points to quarterbacks. But again, maybe the Bears are collapsing
Speaker 3: a bit and that shouldn't be the concern that maybe
Speaker 3: it was when I did my quarterback rankings.
Speaker 1: Jacob fourteen. I mean you almost want to just push
Speaker 1: twelve just to make the statements sometimes. But you got
Speaker 1: him at a good range. What say you on Drake May?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Bears are a tough matchup for sure, but
Speaker 4: I think Montees is supposed to be out again, and
Speaker 4: I do think that matters a lot Drake May. He
Speaker 4: has been running around for sure. He is fourth in
Speaker 4: rushing fantasy points scored per quarter in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: behind only Jalen Hurts, justin fields and Jane Daniels, ahead
Speaker 4: of Lamar Jackson, ahead of Anthony richards and Kyler Murray.
Speaker 4: He is second on the year in scramble rate. Only
Speaker 4: Jane Daniels has scrambled on a higher percentage of his
Speaker 4: dropbacks and Drake May. Drake May is first and avoided
Speaker 4: tackles per rush, first and first downs perush, first in
Speaker 4: yards per rush. So he's been very, very dangerous as
Speaker 4: a rusher, which was expected. That's what he was in college.
Speaker 4: He scrambled more in college than Lamar Jackson. He scrambled
Speaker 4: more than Anthony Richardson. I don't think people realize that
Speaker 4: he's been as advertised as a rusher, and I think
Speaker 4: he's been better as a passer than expected. There have
Speaker 4: been some scary throws you know it's gonna happen with
Speaker 4: a rookie for or even last week, there were some
Speaker 4: of those, and we saw the interception in the game
Speaker 4: last week. But overall, I think he's really impressed me
Speaker 4: as a passer on throws that have traveled ten yards
Speaker 4: past the line of scrimmage. May ranks eighth among thirty
Speaker 4: nine qualified quarterbacks in catchable ball rate that's per Fantasy
Speaker 4: Points data, ranks eighth out of thirty nine. Jayden ranks first.
Speaker 4: Jane Daniels and I'm just giving you other rookie quarterbacks
Speaker 4: for reference here. Caleb Williams is dead last, thirty ninth.
Speaker 4: Bnix is thirty seventh. So a top ten ranking for
Speaker 4: May is really encouraging. If you look at the rest
Speaker 4: of the top ten, it's a bunch of really really
Speaker 4: good quarterbacks. I think this is a really good stat
Speaker 4: He also ranks top ten in highly accurate target on
Speaker 4: such throws, so not only catchup balls but also putting
Speaker 4: it right on the money sometimes. We saw that last
Speaker 4: week with that amazing throw to Damario Douglas on the
Speaker 4: right sideline. Like, I think he's played really, really well.
Speaker 4: He looks to me like a near elite fantasy quarterback.
Speaker 4: Fantasy quarterback, that's important to bring that up. But with
Speaker 4: the rushing like it's pretty With all that said, again,
Speaker 4: sixteen point implied total for New England this week, So
Speaker 4: don't get carried away here, but it is exciting for me.
Speaker 1: Some good options at quarterback. If you're looking for a
Speaker 1: little bit deeper, let's look at the tight end ranks
Speaker 1: on the big board. Going over to tight ends, George
Speaker 1: Kittle leads the way at number one this week versus Tampa,
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey, Trade McBride, Cade Atten, and Evan Ingram. That's
Speaker 1: your top five. Yes, No, brock powers by week. Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 1: Dalton Kinkaid, Taysom Hill at eight, Mark Andrews at nine,
Speaker 1: Kasicki at ten, Laporta and Hockinson. There's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a change here. Kasiki actually was eight about twenty
Speaker 1: four hours ago, has moved down to ten. I think
Speaker 1: there is so much chalk up there, so many questions
Speaker 1: that do not need to be asked about tight ends.
Speaker 1: A lot of Kate Atten ones are out there. He's
Speaker 1: top five this week. Start him, Ingram, start him. Yes,
Speaker 1: Pitts and kink don't feel as good, but do you
Speaker 1: really have better options? Tiers start to change, So where
Speaker 1: are the questions? Well, Mike Kasicki, we kind of know
Speaker 1: why Taysom Hill is on here. It's all like touchdown equity,
Speaker 1: and you know the amount of guys that they have
Speaker 1: out there. They're getting more usage of him. But like
Speaker 1: Mike Kisiki jumps up into people's faces at ten, Jacob,
Speaker 1: you've got him at eleven fits, you've got him at eight,
Speaker 1: So you are beating consensus ranks on here. So FITZI
Speaker 1: give us something on Gasiki real quick as a top
Speaker 1: eight tight end for week ten.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm trying not to be the mark who chases
Speaker 3: last week's points. And he had that sexy stat line
Speaker 3: with one hundred receiving yards and two touchdowns. But like
Speaker 3: this ranking is based on the assumption that t Higgins
Speaker 3: does not return from his quad injury this week. If
Speaker 3: he does, I will downgrade Gasiki a bit. And we
Speaker 3: also saw the Bengals lose eric Al, their rookie tight end,
Speaker 3: to a torn acl last week, although the Bengals are
Speaker 3: still probably gonna give some annoying tight end targets to
Speaker 3: Drew Sample and Tanner Hudson. But like the target outlook
Speaker 3: is pretty bright for Gasiki fourteen targets the last two weeks,
Speaker 3: twelve catches with t Higgins out, I just think there's
Speaker 3: a target void that needs to be filled, and get
Speaker 3: is going to be part of filling it.
Speaker 1: Jacob, what say you on Kasiki. In the Wide Receiver episode,
Speaker 1: we had mentioned Jamar Chase and he came up for
Speaker 1: a minute that we were going to talk about here.
Speaker 1: You've got him as a tight end one. I think
Speaker 1: that's the important thing, not necessarily picking on the rank,
Speaker 1: But what say you about Kasiki?
Speaker 4: For this week, I've been moving him up. I was
Speaker 4: a bit hesitant to overreact to last week as well.
Speaker 4: He only had a sixty percent route rate last week,
Speaker 4: and so I looked at the role after the big
Speaker 4: game and I was like, nothing's really changed. I don't
Speaker 4: want to move him up too dramatically. But the more
Speaker 4: I look into what he's done this year without t Higgins,
Speaker 4: he's done it with just a fifty five percent route
Speaker 4: rate and he's still been productive. So I don't know
Speaker 4: if last week's usage really matters that much, And as
Speaker 4: possible that the usage we could even better with eric
Speaker 4: All out, and even if T Higgins comes back, it's
Speaker 4: possible that I think we might see him play more
Speaker 4: than he has in the past when Tiggans has been out,
Speaker 4: because Eric All was playing about half of the snaps
Speaker 4: by this point of the year and the Bengals use
Speaker 4: a lot of two and three tight end sets. But
Speaker 4: if Ti Higgins is out, here's what we've gotten four
Speaker 4: games without T Higgins this YEARPR points sixty one for Gasiki,
Speaker 4: fifty one for Jamar Chase, air yards two thirty nine
Speaker 4: for Kasiki, one eighty two for Chase, what receiving yards
Speaker 4: to eighty two for Gasiki, one ninety four for Chase.
Speaker 4: It's a four game sample size and it's absolutely nuts. Uh.
Speaker 4: The other thing is with in those games. In those
Speaker 4: four games, Becasiki has a twenty four percent first read
Speaker 4: target rate per Fantasy Points of data for Reference. That
Speaker 4: would tiebrock Bauers for the fifth highest over the course
Speaker 4: of the full season at the tight end position, behind
Speaker 4: only Treat McBride, George Kittle, Travis Kelcey, and Evan Ingram.
Speaker 4: So the usage is really really good. And that's that's first.
Speaker 4: That first retargetrate is not a per route rate. That is,
Speaker 4: he has twenty four percent of the team's entire first
Speaker 4: retargets in those games, and so if his role increases,
Speaker 4: that number might only increase.
Speaker 1: And those are that's an elite first read percentage for
Speaker 1: a tight end by the way, too.
Speaker 3: So lex Mike Kasiki over Jamar Chase is all I'm
Speaker 3: hearing right now.
Speaker 1: Well, an interesting thing too for people's minds on the ranks,
Speaker 1: Like Kasiki is ranked over Sam Laporta this week, and
Speaker 1: I know hasn't been good, so it's not like this
Speaker 1: big shocker, but just from a name value perspective, you've
Speaker 1: got Kaziki over Laporta this week. The other tight end
Speaker 1: that we're gonna just mention is TJ Hockinson on the
Speaker 1: last one. He is ECR twelve. He's just holding on.
Speaker 1: This is the biggest gap you guys have fits. You've
Speaker 1: got him at seven and Jacob's got him at sixteen.
Speaker 1: So FITZI, why don't you give us the positive on
Speaker 1: Hawkinson real quick?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean just kind of a training wheels return
Speaker 3: for TJ Hockinson last week. Three catches twenty seven yards,
Speaker 3: but he did play twenty seven or excuse me, thirty
Speaker 3: three snaps, So maybe we see not a bad snapcount
Speaker 3: at all, and maybe we see that climb more this
Speaker 3: week against a Jaguars defense that has given up the
Speaker 3: eighth most fantasy points to tight ends.
Speaker 1: Jacob your take, You do not seem excited about TJ.
Speaker 1: Hockinson this week. As far as the ranks go, tight
Speaker 1: ends have been kind of squirrely. Is it the snap
Speaker 1: percentage that's got you holding back?
Speaker 4: It's mostly his ranking? Is this a reflection of my
Speaker 4: confidence level relative to the other tight ends? I think
Speaker 4: that it's actually a relatively deep week at tight I'm
Speaker 4: really excited about what we've seen from Carolina Panthers rookie
Speaker 4: tight end Jatavian Sanders. He's played really really well of
Speaker 4: the past month, over two yards per out run over
Speaker 4: the past month. John new Smith has played well, been
Speaker 4: really involved in the offense. Hunter Henry's played pretty well lately,
Speaker 4: so I think you can maybe start him over like
Speaker 4: Laporter or Jake Ferguson. I guess, but I kind of
Speaker 4: have a tough time moving him too much higher than
Speaker 4: where I have him at tighten sixteen, and it's mostly
Speaker 4: just because of the role. Last last week, fifty three
Speaker 4: percent route rate for TJ. Hockinson, only one first read target.
Speaker 4: To me, those rates suggest that maybe the Vikings are
Speaker 4: just kind of intent on like slow rolling his return,
Speaker 4: which I think they can afford to do because they
Speaker 4: have had such a good season up to this point.
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