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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, welcome the Mother Knows Death. Today we're going

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Speaker 1: to do a quick summary of the Diddy verdict with

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Speaker 1: our friend Lauren Conlin. Lauren is host of Pop Crime

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Speaker 1: TV and Primetime Crime and has been in court every

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Speaker 1: day for seven weeks reporting on the Didty trial. Hi, Lauren,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Mother Knows Death. We know that you've

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Speaker 1: been at the Ditty trial every single day, so you

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Speaker 1: are the first person we wanted to hear from. Tell

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Speaker 1: Us tell us everything. What are you thinking? What do

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Speaker 1: you think about these charges?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: My gosh. Well, I mean, let's just start with the

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Speaker 3: fact that yesterday, day two of deliberations, it was crazy

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Speaker 3: when the jury sent a note around four pm saying

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Speaker 3: that they were unanimous on four charges and hung on one.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we were all in shock because there was

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Speaker 3: a lot of evidence here. There was seven weeks of testimony,

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Speaker 3: and it's like they were able to get through these

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Speaker 3: deliberations rather quickly, especially because you know, you've got a

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Speaker 3: racketeering charge and that's very complicated. However, that was the

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Speaker 3: charge that they were hung up on. Now fast forward

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Speaker 3: to this morning. I actually was in line with a

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Speaker 3: juror I kind of noticed her out of the corner

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Speaker 3: of my eye around eight p fifty going into the courthouse,

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Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, okay, we're probably not going

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Speaker 3: to get a vertage for a really long time. They've

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Speaker 3: got to, you know, soar through everything because I forget

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Speaker 3: the word they used, but they they used the word

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Speaker 3: I misplaced my notebook. I think I was so happy

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Speaker 3: that it was over I threw it. Honestly, literally, I

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Speaker 3: was so happy. But they used the word like they

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Speaker 3: basically had just opinions on each side that nobody was

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Speaker 3: willing to budge on. So the fact that a jury

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Speaker 3: note came through at nine fifty two and it said

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Speaker 3: that they had had reached a verdict, we were like,

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Speaker 3: what it was? It was a moment. I mean, it

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Speaker 3: got very somber in the courtroom before nine am. Diddy

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Speaker 3: had prayed with his family. All of his children were

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Speaker 3: there except for his baby daughter. He had his baby

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Speaker 3: mama was there except for Misa Hilton. So Dana Tran

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Speaker 3: I feel like it was just you could hear a

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Speaker 3: pin drop when the jury came in and as soon

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Speaker 3: as the four person read not guilty on racketeering. I

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Speaker 3: mean there were gasps. It was like oh. And then

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Speaker 3: obviously from Diddy's side, they were very excited. And then

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Speaker 3: once we heard I think the other charge that was

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Speaker 3: kind of up in the air that people thought it

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Speaker 3: when that was not guilty, I mean, people were very emotional,

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Speaker 3: very shocked, and I mean it was gosh did he

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Speaker 3: had his head in his hands, he was thanking the jury,

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Speaker 3: he was squeezing Tenny Garrigo his hands, and Mark Agniffilo

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Speaker 3: immediately stood up and was just like, okay, you're on her.

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Speaker 3: My client has been acquitted on the most serious of charges.

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Speaker 3: And sorry, I should probably say he was convicted on

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Speaker 3: the Two Man Act violations, and that is transportation to

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Speaker 3: engage in prostitution. I feel like the jury really had

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Speaker 3: no choice but to convict him on those because they

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Speaker 3: saw statements, financial statements, They saw payments of escorts, they

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Speaker 3: saw flights that were booked by travel agents for these escorts.

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Speaker 3: So there was really it was like, very very tangible

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Speaker 3: this evidence. So we were not surprised overall at that conviction.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, Mark Agnifilow stands up and he's like, my

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Speaker 3: client has been acquitted on the most serious of charges.

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Speaker 3: He should be released on a million dollars bail, Like

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Speaker 3: he should go home today to await sentencing. And Maureen Komi,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was really clear that she did not

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Speaker 3: you're honor. These are still very serious charges and let's

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Speaker 3: not forget the conduct surrounding these convictions. There was lots

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Speaker 3: of violence, lots of drug use. So you know, we're

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Speaker 3: going to request that he stays in federal jail. And

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Speaker 3: she basically said, they want the maximum sentence here, which

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Speaker 3: but I think that the twenty year maximum that goes

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Speaker 3: submit these motions as to why he should be released

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Speaker 3: They were not going with, you know, what this guy

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Speaker 3: did in the past. The New York Club, New York

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Speaker 3: shooting in nineteen ninety nine, the quad shooting of Tupac,

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Speaker 3: the City College stampede, none of that comes into play.

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Speaker 3: What the jury really saw, I think was questionable charges

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Speaker 3: in terms of like, he is not on trial for

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Speaker 3: sex trafficking and did I guess it's like you can

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Speaker 3: the charges if you're going by the force, fraud, and coercion.

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Speaker 3: I think, yes, there were instances where he forced Cassie

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Speaker 3: or they didn't mean it. You know, we can't speak

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Speaker 3: sense in terms of like, Okay, this man is horrible,

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Speaker 3: And I think it was really hard for them to

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Speaker 3: setting up the hotel room for Cassie and for Jane,

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Speaker 3: did they think they were committing federal crimes? No? And

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Speaker 3: I think you know to that, neither did Sean Colmes

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Speaker 3: And look, men are stupid. If we tell them one

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Speaker 3: out to all survivors of domestic violence and all survivors

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Speaker 3: about this verdict. However, I think that just being in

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Speaker 3: They didn't have the best witnesses besides Cassie and my opinion,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, and here we are. And I do apologize

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Speaker 3: if that commentary upsets anybody. But when you know, when

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Speaker 3: and how that affects interstate commerce' that's a concern as

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Speaker 1: It's crazy that they even brought it, honestly, if they

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Speaker 1: especially he seems like he's powerful, and honestly, like Cassie

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean, I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of us going into this case,

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Speaker 3: we were, like the media sensationalized so much. And same

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Speaker 3: Diddy sexually assaulted her on the balcony before he dangled

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Speaker 3: or what not saying you know, and again I'm not saying, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's so acceptable that he dangled her off a balcony.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying she was up there and had to say, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that didn't happen. Same with Don Richard, she had to

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Speaker 3: clarify things about her civil suit, and same with Cassie,

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Speaker 3: things that were not exactly accurate. So I think the

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Speaker 3: And it was nothing like that. Nothing, I mean. So,

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Speaker 3: and again the fact that the media dubbed one of

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Speaker 3: pointz seven grams of cocaine in a Miami airport last year.

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Speaker 3: It's like this guy was an assistant, he was cleaning

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Speaker 3: up Diddy's room and he actually just kind of took

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Speaker 3: didn't ask him to take it, you know, he didn't

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Speaker 3: it just and all of a sudden, the media dubs

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Speaker 3: He comes from a wealthy family, and I'm just like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's not a drug mule. This is not And not

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Speaker 3: but you guys know what I'm I'm saying. I'm getting

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Speaker 3: you just you've got a lot of reasonable doubt coming

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Speaker 3: And I feel for her though, I really do. I mean,

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Speaker 3: text messages that are just so tough. You know, when

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting point you bring up, because we had

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Speaker 2: Cheryl on last night actually, and we were talking about

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Speaker 2: the possibility of the jurors being afraid to convict him

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Speaker 2: because in our mind, I mean, you were in the courtroom,

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Speaker 2: so now from everything you're explaining, it's coming across it,

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Speaker 2: he wasn't quite as intimidating as the media was portraying.

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Speaker 2: So on our end, we're seeing it as maybe people

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Speaker 3: I feel like the coverage of this case by the

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Speaker 3: mainstream media, I mean some days I wondered if I

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Speaker 3: And by the way, sometimes these outlets would have these

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Speaker 3: he wasn't. Another creator said he turned around and said

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Speaker 3: to her, I know you, and I was like, that

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Speaker 3: I'm just like what. So I feel like a lot

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Speaker 1: Well, the media was using to their advantage that there

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this jury wasn't an animated jury. They really

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, well awesome, thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 1: We know that you have a lot to do because

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Speaker 1: this case has been just you've covered it so awesome,

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Speaker 1: and thanks so much for sharing this with us. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I love you guys so much. Let's do a proper

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Speaker 3: episode soon, Yes, yes, totally. Thank you. Miss you guys,

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