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Speaker 1: The Volume, as always, Jenkins and Jones is hosted by

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Speaker 1: my good friends Dragonfly Jones aka Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, how's a guy, Jethro Jenkins aka John.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, houses going on?

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Speaker 4: Wolcome, and I'm I'm like, we have our first you

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to listen to it after talking to the

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Speaker 1: March first, and uh, we've got I Don't give a

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Speaker 2: Tyler.

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Speaker 1: Tyler the standings number one in our heart fucking Dragonfly

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Speaker 1: Jones Bro Silhouette, Amphibian knocking them down.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: You raised fucking frogs, though, of course you did, but

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Speaker 2: I just can't believe you didn't tell us.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, that's fun, that was funnysh.

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Speaker 4: My grandmama had a creak in her backyard and tadpoles

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Speaker 4: are so easy, you know. It's like I was telling you, bro, Bro,

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Speaker 4: frogs are older than dinosaurs, so you know they're durable.

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Speaker 2: As fun.

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Speaker 4: Right, you get some tadpoles, you get a bowl with

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Speaker 4: you got frogs. It's that fucking symbol. But yes, unfortunately

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Speaker 4: I did not win. But there is some controversy here.

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Speaker 2: And how do you feel we all to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: How you feel about this?

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Speaker 3: Okay? So hold on?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Tyler Beck to the final three. It's Tyler,

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Speaker 1: Katie Nolan, and a comedian named if he one person

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Speaker 1: who's championship is looking a little, just looking a little

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Speaker 2: One person had a chat? Who did you know what

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Speaker 1: So breaking down, it's Tyler and Katie go out. If

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Speaker 1: he's a champion. But there's controversy. I've heard there's controversy

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Speaker 1: now that other people have seen what was fairly apparent

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Speaker 2: You feel me like.

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 4: Hello? Focus? Yes, Being that I was a participant in this,

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Speaker 4: I would like to thank you know my dog Mike

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Speaker 4: malloy follow him on Twitter, fake Mike Lloyd, I would

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Speaker 4: will I will, I will rain from commenting due to

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Speaker 4: But I will say this. I will say this. I

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Speaker 3: Put me in Yeah, can I volunteered? And can I

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Speaker 1: I got a d M MIC and find out how

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Speaker 1: fun though, man had it was awesome. You and Katie

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Speaker 4: We were almost there, were almost there, so close almost until.

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Speaker 3: All right, we want to talk about NBA stuff. The Lakers.

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Speaker 3: It looks like Magic Johnson was right.

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Speaker 1: That the Lakers are better with with Dennis Shrewder on

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Speaker 2: He so right, Hey, he was right, he was right.

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Speaker 2: That's correct.

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Speaker 1: Feel what do you guys think that this is the

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Speaker 1: last couple of nationally televised games have been interesting? You

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Speaker 1: You saw the Lakers just demolish the Warriors.

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Speaker 7: It was one of those games though, the Lakers the

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Speaker 7: I mean, like Steph had zero help. You know, I

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Speaker 7: just there's there was nobody's gonna beat the Lakers today,

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Speaker 3: There's a pent up frustration game right right right right,

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Speaker 3: so yeah, and you know the Lakers.

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Speaker 4: The Lakers are one of those teams where if when

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Speaker 4: like you know how the Lakers not just going based

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Speaker 4: on you know how they're locking up, how they're switching,

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Speaker 4: how they're rotating, like, and they were locked in tonight

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Speaker 4: like I knew it was going to be a long

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Speaker 2: Busy hands, good rotation, all that shit, you know what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not to not to I mean, you know, not

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Speaker 1: If they're playing good defense, they're making every open three,

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Speaker 4: Exactly it's like that is transferable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where every basketball coach you've ever had

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Speaker 1: Hey, that's like, actually, if I olay this guy here,

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Speaker 3: It's just I will admit.

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Speaker 1: We discussed, you know, caressing and doing things to the

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Speaker 1: panic button last week and I was there. But it's

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Speaker 1: you see how good they look just with Shrewder back,

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Speaker 3: So I don't know. I feel fine, I feel good.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready for the All Star break.

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Speaker 2: I never feel good.

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Speaker 4: I do feel fine, of course, not my nerves.

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Speaker 2: Who funked up to feel good? But yeah, I'm ready

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Speaker 2: for the war.

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Speaker 4: The worry wart over here.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah man, oh yeah, man never believes. I don't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm I'm I'm not even gonna lie

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Speaker 4: the way the Lakers have looked the last week games,

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Speaker 4: like yeah, yeah, I think I would understand you worrying,

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Speaker 4: But I still am not worrying.

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Speaker 2: I believe that.

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Speaker 1: John sent us a really blurry old meme like who's

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Speaker 1: the NBA player?

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Speaker 8: What was it?

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Speaker 3: It like who would win in a fight?

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Speaker 2: A fight?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: But was Rodman on there?

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Speaker 2: Barkley was rob Barkley was on there? Yeah, But we

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Speaker 5: But I said, Ben Wallace wasn't on there, and he's

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Speaker 5: You think Oakley would win? And I think that's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 2: I honestly I did. I didn't know that Ben Wallas

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Speaker 3: I did not know that.

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Speaker 2: I just imagine Oakley being.

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Speaker 3: Like in your head is like he's ripping a backboard

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I don't think there's anybody that may have

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Speaker 2: But I think he so fucking mean, you know what

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Speaker 9: And that is where I met with it, you know

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Speaker 4: But yes, yes, but I will. You know, the Richmond

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Speaker 4: Union University, the Panthers who produced both of these dudes.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like Virginia Union University has like fifteen

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Speaker 4: Ass will be potential shot Union for that. But I

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Speaker 4: think Ben Wallace would because BROI bro, did you see

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Speaker 4: what he did ron Our tested?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he pushed that.

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Speaker 4: He pushed that motherfucker twenty feet back by his.

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Speaker 2: Neck and meant nothing to do with Ron was like, no,

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Speaker 2: I mean there's level was crazy. He was the statest

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Speaker 2: I mean, You knew what Tommy was.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, I have That is the

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Speaker 4: first and only time I have ever seen someone get

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Speaker 4: pushed by their neck.

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Speaker 9: In my life.

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Speaker 4: And that man pushed it from fucking from the paint

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Speaker 4: to the scorer's table by his neck. Bro, I ain't

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Speaker 4: never seen no.

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Speaker 2: Shit like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, run our test, like not just not.

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Speaker 5: Just the year godded dude that you would imagine that

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Speaker 5: happened to you know what I mean, right, twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: five year old two percent body fat defensive player of

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Speaker 5: the post run ar test and he put yeah, and

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Speaker 5: he pushed that motherfucker twenty feet by his neck.

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Speaker 4: That motherfucker. Ben Wallace is country strong, bro, country strong.

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Speaker 2: Different.

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Speaker 1: The funniest, shortest fight I ever saw at Long Beach,

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Speaker 4: Mike Mike, Mike, Mike, we're black, we know what much is?

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Speaker 8: That's almost this.

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Speaker 3: Yes and listen, and it went from it went.

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Speaker 1: It went from because five thousand kids at that high school,

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Speaker 4: Why the quickest fight, quickest fight ever Soul was my

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Speaker 4: I respected that man so much in that moment for

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Speaker 3: You got me, bro? Absolutely yeah, I lost enough. You know,

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Speaker 4: Bro.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So he got punched in the face and then

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Speaker 4: He buffled over and and and go to home for

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And so so Homie bucket over he came

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Speaker 4: to he wapped that man up and went about his way,

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Speaker 4: and I respected. I respect that so much. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: If you if you're willing to fight if somebody loses.

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Speaker 2: I've never liked that dude. Soft the week and out

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Speaker 3: Like I would love to get that dude on who

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Speaker 4: Bro?

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Speaker 9: Bro, this was that More Gym.

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Speaker 4: Y'all have seen that fucking tweet about the dude doing

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Speaker 2: That's why I believe that. Do you believe that tweet?

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Speaker 6: Do you believe that?

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Speaker 8: To ye?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely?

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Speaker 6: The man that got Bean to the damn movie theater.

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Speaker 2: A fucking double.

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Speaker 3: Tea fucker because he believes in the time and place

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Speaker 3: about his gym.

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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 4: So ship that went down at More Gym.

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Speaker 2: But that's wild, I get it. But Bro, a double cheese,

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Speaker 2: a mcdouble one yes, yes, yes.

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Speaker 4: For one day was a McDonald's.

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Speaker 3: You've heard Tyler story about the importance of burgers in college.

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Speaker 2: Bro, you believe anything that happened more zim Basically.

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Speaker 4: It happened to me absolutely due and I'm sure that

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Speaker 4: on Summit.

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Speaker 2: Ad all my eggs know exactly what the I'm talking about.

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Speaker 4: That ship was welcome distance for fucking ain't pretty much.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, all right, so Oakley bet Wallace.

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Speaker 1: The only thing, only, the only argument I would make

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Speaker 2: Well past.

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Speaker 3: Years old, beating up Vegas security guards.

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Speaker 2: So it's real.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing we were talking about, because I

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Speaker 1: got He's the reason Ben Wallace got to look at

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Speaker 1: you know that he got his college look like he

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Speaker 1: Ben Wallace the whole time.

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Speaker 3: That's my mentor and everything.

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Speaker 8: I know.

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Speaker 1: Ben Wallace was really out there writing for him when

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Speaker 1: the Knicks were being fucking idiots about Charles Oakley. But

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Speaker 1: he's Charles Oakley says. Someone asked him when they were

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Speaker 1: since you when you were younger, you know, what do

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Speaker 1: you think who do you think would win in a fight?

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Speaker 3: And he said, like.

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Speaker 1: He's he's younger than me and he's stronger than me.

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Speaker 1: But I like my chances and if he wants to

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Speaker 2: That's what gives me.

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Speaker 3: That's different.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, OK's whatever, whenever.

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Speaker 2: That's that's That's a dude that's hard to beat.

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Speaker 5: Like you hit him with a good point in the east,

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Speaker 5: that shit, you know what I mean, He ain't gonna

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Speaker 5: quit at all. You feel me like you gotta really

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Speaker 5: ain't nobody beating the ship out of Oakley, you know

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Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, I feel like I feel like the

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Speaker 4: test caught Ben on a bad day with some ship

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Speaker 4: that got under his skin. I feel like oakus whatever

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Speaker 1: Every city has an old dude that like, no matter

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Speaker 1: for dude is. Yeah, you can be you could be

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Speaker 1: twenty three, you could be fully loaded, ready to grow.

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Speaker 1: You bump into a certain old dude in your city,

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Speaker 5: Hunts of Alabama. That nigga's name was Shaft. He was

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Speaker 5: black as fuck with a big ass, pink ass. It

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Speaker 5: was forty some years old, and ain't nobody wanted with

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Speaker 2: He was playing bully ball. It will into his forties.

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Speaker 2: I saw him. I saw him uppercut a nigga. That's

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Speaker 2: the quickest fight I ever saw. He opcuted his nigga

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Speaker 2: and took him off his feet. He uppercuted somebody off

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Speaker 2: their feet. That is not normal. And a dude was

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Speaker 2: bucking up like the fuck's doing it. Beat didn't want

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Speaker 2: no more of that.

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Speaker 5: Stumble back to the wall and just hey, okay, you

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Speaker 5: got it, my g Yeah, but that's why whatever was saying.

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Speaker 1: All right, when we come back, we're gonna be joined

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Speaker 1: Really happy to have them with us, Jack, Ja, welcome

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Speaker 8: Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate you'all hopping on.

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Speaker 8: Man.

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Speaker 4: So tell the listeners, you know, I'll give them just

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Speaker 8: Team, Well, it's about the I had had a pretty

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Speaker 8: we were looking around for another season, and I was

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Speaker 8: Ja had been out in La. I knew he covered

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Speaker 8: I covered him, but JA knows him better. And we

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Speaker 8: two thousand and eight, the Olympics that had gone before them,

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And it was kind of a mystery to me.

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Speaker 10: It's it's weird because I knew Kobe and that's the

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Speaker 10: I didn't cover those two thousand and eight Olympics. I

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Speaker 10: covered the ninety six Olympics. Jack of course covered ninety two.

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Speaker 10: We was there in ninety six, but didn't cover the

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Speaker 10: and Sydney in two thousand, but didn't follow those guys either.

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Speaker 10: But a lot of those guys were on this team

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Speaker 10: up behind me too.

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Speaker 2: When you start talking about.

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Speaker 10: Lebron and Wade and Bosh, you know, I knew these guys,

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Speaker 10: we started talking everyone, it was just these great stories

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Speaker 5: about two thousand and eight that made like the league

449
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Speaker 5: you know, gone together for the for Team USA and Olympics.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

451
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Speaker 8: Well the fortunes. See a lot of people forget how

452
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Speaker 8: bad we had fallen. We won, Okay, Dream Team ninety two,

453
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Speaker 8: we won in Atlanta ninety six. Nobody gave a shit.

454
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Speaker 8: We won in Sydney in two thousand.

455
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Speaker 3: Yes, it's true, I mean yes, But.

456
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Speaker 8: Then see what happened in two thousand and four. We

457
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Speaker 8: lost in Athens. I covered those games, and it was

458
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Speaker 8: like they not only lost, but people started they really

459
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Speaker 8: hated that team. And we talked a little bit about

460
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Speaker 8: the backdrop of that. There was, you know, the wrong

461
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 8: guy was coaching them, Brown, they had some of the

462
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Speaker 8: wrong players. There was a lot of racist element to it.

463
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Speaker 8: So what had to happen about two thousand and eight,

464
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 8: why it's called the Redeemed Team was that it really

465
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Speaker 8: needed to fix. You would not to fix the NBA,

466
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Speaker 8: but yeah, US International Basketball. They needed a one coach,

467
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Speaker 8: they needed a guy at the top, They needed the

468
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Speaker 8: players to buy in. So that's why two thousand and

469
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Speaker 8: eight was very special.

470
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Speaker 10: And also as we started plotting it out, we realized

471
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Speaker 10: that the ups and downs it really paralleled Kobe Bryant's career,

472
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Speaker 10: and that was one of the things that if I

473
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Speaker 10: was going to come aboard, I was like, Okay, what

474
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Speaker 10: can I bring to this, And in my mind, it's

475
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Speaker 10: the knowledge and experience of Kobe. And it felt like

476
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Speaker 10: it got rewarded because as we talked to these guys,

477
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Speaker 10: like Kobe's a central figure in this story, and they

478
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Speaker 10: kept talking about him and the good and the bad,

479
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 10: like everything that you get with Kobe Bryant, they got

480
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Speaker 10: the condensed version of that with this team. But if

481
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Speaker 10: you look at ninety six Olympics, that's the year Kobe

482
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Speaker 10: comes in the league, two thousand Olympics, that's the year

483
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Speaker 10: Kobe wins his first championship.

484
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Speaker 9: Oh four Olympics.

485
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 10: It's the down period and at coincide with the down

486
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Speaker 10: year in Kobe's life.

487
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Speaker 9: So it's all on this parallel track.

488
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Speaker 10: So we weave those two stories, those twin stories, back

489
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Speaker 10: and forth as we go through the series.

490
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Speaker 1: I just want to let everybody know the first two

491
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Speaker 1: episodes are up for download now, so you can search

492
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Speaker 1: for the Dream Team tapes and check those first two

493
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Speaker 1: episodes out and then make sure you subscribe or check

494
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Speaker 1: them out. You know, you guys, just Jack, you just

495
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Speaker 1: touched on that the unique sort of dynamic between the

496
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Speaker 1: NBA and USA Basketball right where there's not a lot

497
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Speaker 1: of other Olympic sports, not of a lot of other

498
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Speaker 1: national teams where they have to deal with a sort

499
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Speaker 1: of multi billion dollar sports league that is already managing

500
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Speaker 1: and invested in those athletes.

501
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Speaker 3: What was that dynamic like?

502
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Speaker 1: I thought you wrote really insightfully about that in your

503
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Speaker 1: book about the Dream Team. What was that dynamic like

504
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Speaker 1: with the Redeemed Team? You know that the NBA is going, well,

505
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Speaker 1: we don't have a problem with our image. I don't

506
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Speaker 1: know what you're talking about with you know, redeeming. What

507
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Speaker 1: what was that relationship like and and how did they

508
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Speaker 1: sort of put that back together?

509
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Speaker 8: Well, in retrospect the two thousand and four the depths

510
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Speaker 8: to which we had sunk, I mean we lost to

511
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 8: Puerto Rico by nineteen in game one of the two thousand,

512
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Speaker 8: Carlos Arroyo looked.

513
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Speaker 2: Like Cookie.

514
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Speaker 8: Cook it right, I Mean he was a good player,

515
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Speaker 8: but yeah, yeah, he was a good player, but I mean,

516
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Speaker 8: come on, you know, so what had to happen is

517
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Speaker 8: sort of the springboard then was that we had fallen

518
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Speaker 8: so well. Yeah, and Lebron, Carmelo Wade were on that

519
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Speaker 8: twenty fourteen and they were rookies then and they couldn't

520
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 8: really take over. They just kind of, I mean, they

521
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Speaker 8: should have handed the ball to Lebron and said save us.

522
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Speaker 8: You know what, Johnny back Ja used to call it

523
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 8: arch angel offense. They handled it to Jordan's save us, Michael.

524
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Speaker 2: But they didn't do that.

525
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Speaker 8: So they were able to sell these guys on the

526
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Speaker 8: idea that hey, we got to you know, redeem ourselves.

527
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Speaker 8: And fortunately Lebron, Kobe, Dwayne Wade, Jason Kidd, Al Carmelo,

528
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 8: all those people really bought in to that idea and

529
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Speaker 8: it helped their image in the NBA in my opinion.

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Speaker 10: Also, you know, and the interesting thing, Mike, is that

531
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Speaker 10: it took they went to a non NBA guy, Mike

532
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Speaker 10: Krzyzewski to coach them.

533
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Speaker 9: You know, you know, John, you're you're the big Duke

534
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Speaker 9: fan here.

535
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Speaker 10: We had an hour with coach k and he was

536
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Speaker 10: great and you could tell when you're talking to him

537
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 10: about this that this you know, Duke obviously he's Duke Basketball.

538
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 10: You could argue he's the greatest college basketball coach ever.

539
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 10: But this really mattered to him. This was special and

540
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Speaker 10: he also he took this seriously. Remember he's a guy

541
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Speaker 10: who went to the US Military Academy.

542
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Speaker 9: He's an army guy.

543
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Speaker 10: He's into this US say stuff, and so winning the

544
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 10: gold medal for the USA really matter to him. So

545
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 10: it was this this merging, right, they go outside of

546
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Speaker 10: the traditional way they've done it. They bring in Jerry Colangelo.

547
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Speaker 10: We've got a whole episode on him, the Godfather to

548
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 10: oversee everything, and one of the first moves he makes

549
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Speaker 10: is to bring in Mike Krzyzewski. And so it's this

550
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 10: this merging mic of you've got NBA players, but it's

551
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 10: a college guy leading them. And so it's a little

552
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Speaker 10: a little bit like the old USA basketball format when

553
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Speaker 10: it was all college.

554
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Speaker 5: They all tapped in for twenty twelve to a lot

555
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Speaker 5: of the guys, and they got even more guys in

556
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Speaker 5: twenty twelve as well. People like argue, is that a

557
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Speaker 5: better team than the Dream team in ninety two?

558
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Speaker 2: What do you? What do you? What are your guys opinion?

559
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Speaker 8: Well, we got to figure that out because we're probably

560
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 8: gonna do an episode on them.

561
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Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm getting d.

562
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Speaker 3: Of It's workshop time. It's workshop time.

563
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Speaker 10: I mean it comes down out of some picture Michael

564
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Speaker 10: losing Jack. You had the thing about the locked door

565
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Speaker 10: right if?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, in a room.

567
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Speaker 8: I mean you we're all product of our generation. When

568
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 8: I get the when I get the Michael and Lebron discussion,

569
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Speaker 8: I admit far right away I covered George. You know,

570
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Speaker 8: I was covering the league when Michael came in.

571
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Speaker 9: You know, So.

572
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Speaker 8: Am I biased toward that?

573
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Speaker 2: Yes?

574
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Speaker 8: But I tell you Jay and I were talking. Lebron

575
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 8: came in in three. It's twenty twenty one. The guy

576
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 8: is still I see the best player. He's like one

577
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 8: or two or two? Come on, man, So at some

578
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 8: point I have to come to a reckoning about about

579
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 8: playing the game of basketball. Could you play it better

580
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 8: than Lebron? And your point about the twenty twelve team,

581
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Speaker 8: I'll tell you a really important guy we can't talk

582
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Speaker 8: about it. He wasn't on O eight. Was Kevin Durant.

583
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Speaker 8: Kevin Durant was a fantastic international player, and he was

584
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Speaker 8: on the national team by twenty ten. And I was

585
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 8: at the World Championships in Turkey. I've never seen a

586
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 8: more rabid crowd. They're playing Turkey and people are like,

587
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 8: you know, it was insane. Kevin Durant comes out, boom boom, boom.

588
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 8: You know, goodbye Turkey.

589
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Speaker 5: If God want to create a basketball player, Kevin Durant's

590
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 5: a guy, you know what I mean like that, He's

591
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Speaker 5: a He's a cheek ola show.

592
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Speaker 10: You know what's crazy about Durant when you look at

593
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 10: like like when you look at it wound up being

594
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Speaker 10: Tim Duncan's last game, and so him and Durant are talking.

595
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 10: You know, the Spurs lose to the to the Thunder

596
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 10: and we can all pretty much tell that's it. And

597
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 10: so Durant and Tim Duncan are talking and right or eye,

598
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 10: you know, and they're completely different back. You know, Durant

599
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 10: has almost like a Kyrie Irving skill set right Tim

600
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Speaker 10: Duncan's height.

601
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Speaker 9: It's crazy.

602
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 8: That's why when when that came, when it came out

603
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Speaker 8: to the draft, if you guys remember it was probably

604
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Speaker 8: the last gas of the big Man. Do we take

605
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 8: Greg Odin or do we take Kevin Durant? And one

606
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Speaker 8: I made some mistakes but I'm going Kevin Durant, that's

607
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 8: who you take. The guy got He got as many

608
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 8: rebounds as Odin twenty five more points discut.

609
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Speaker 2: You know, he was dominant, though, was very dominant. He

610
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Speaker 2: was scary. I don't know.

611
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Speaker 8: I'm not saying I saw it coming. And hey, look,

612
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Speaker 8: if Odin hadn't gotten injured, we might be talking about

613
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Speaker 8: a dominant big man. But Kevin Durant, to me, was

614
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Speaker 8: he was. You could see he was a twenty. I

615
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 8: guess he hasn't turned out to be a ten guy

616
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Speaker 8: because he scores so many. You know, he scores so much.

617
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 8: I'm talking about ten rebounds. But yeah, I you know,

618
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Speaker 8: I mean he it's what Jay said, his size and

619
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Speaker 8: what he does when he puts that ball on the floor,

620
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Speaker 8: and you know, without doing a lot out of the

621
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Speaker 8: mental the the image of Kevin Durant as a player

622
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 8: isn't as strong, you know, Jay, as it is for

623
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Speaker 8: Michael or Lebron because he's so efficient, you know, he

624
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 8: just gets himself in the spots, shoots that jumper. I

625
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Speaker 8: don't know what the iconic image of Kevin would be,

626
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Speaker 8: you know, But so you're.

627
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Speaker 2: Saying it's not mj or Brian. That makes a difference

628
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Speaker 2: in that if they were to go ahead to Hey,

629
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Speaker 2: it'd be KD. That's the difference maker of that. Well, KD.

630
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Speaker 8: If you're talking about the eight team, KD wasn't on

631
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Speaker 8: that team.

632
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Speaker 2: Two.

633
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well that's another discussion, but uh, you know it's possible.

634
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Speaker 8: I mean the weakness of the ninety two team obviously

635
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Speaker 8: was that Magic and Bird are you know, not in

636
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 8: their prime that they were on there as they should

637
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 8: be because they were Magic and Bird. But the one

638
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 8: thing I would say is that if you told Pippin

639
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Speaker 8: and Jordan, we got to stop these guys, we have

640
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 8: to stop control them at mid court, don't let him

641
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 8: get in their offense, Jordan and Pippitt are gonna do that,

642
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 8: you know, and they're gonna make it very difficult to

643
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 8: do to score.

644
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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I'm a Lebron guy, He's my goat.

645
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Speaker 4: And I think that the ninety two Dream Team would

646
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Speaker 4: beat the Redeem Team. And the reason I think that

647
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 4: is because the Redeem Team was not deep at all

648
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 4: at the four in the FOP spot and on the

649
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 4: On the Dream Team, you had Malone, you had Barkley,

650
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 4: you had Ewen, you had Robinson, they would eat a

651
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: Boss and Carlos Boozer up for lunch. Bro right, So

652
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 4: I think that's there.

653
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Speaker 10: What's interesting, It's like, it's kind of a question because

654
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 10: the rules of the sport are the same except for

655
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 10: maybe handschecking, but the mentalities and so would be interesting

656
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 10: is are we taking the twenty eighteen and going back

657
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 10: to nineteen ninety two or are we taking the ninety

658
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Speaker 10: two team and bringing them to two thousand and eight

659
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 10: or even beyond, you know, to the current thing where

660
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 10: it's just all threes. But that's one of the interesting

661
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 10: things about this twenty and eight team is that it's

662
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 10: a little bit of a preview of the future. And

663
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 10: when when they put this together, you know, they didn't

664
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 10: load up with big men, so you have Dwight Howard,

665
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 10: Chris Boss, and then the backup center after that is

666
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 10: Carlos Boozer, you know, so they're basically deciding, like, we're

667
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 10: not loading up in the post, we're not playing a traditional.

668
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 9: Low post, old school offense.

669
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Speaker 10: And the instant thing is Chris Bosh told us that

670
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Speaker 10: when he got to Miami, Eric Supposs said, yeah, watching

671
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 10: you play in Beijing in two thousand and eight. That's

672
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 10: when we first the Miami Heat, first decided, Hey, we

673
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 10: got to get this guy. He could fit perfectly with

674
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Speaker 10: what we're going to do. So the style is and

675
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 10: that's one of the things that fascinates me about this

676
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 10: team is that it's a look ahead. As we look

677
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 10: back to them, you can see some of the future

678
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 10: of the NBA starting to come together in two thousand

679
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 10: and eight.

680
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's impossible to overstate how different the game was.

681
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 8: Like Larry Birds known as he was probably the first

682
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 8: superstar three point shooter. He took like one hundred and

683
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 8: ten threes during the season. I mean Steph has that

684
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 8: while he has his warm up one, you know. But

685
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 8: at the same time, that meant that nobody, none of

686
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 8: the big men. You're right about the big men dominating,

687
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 8: by the way, that's a good point. I mean, they

688
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 8: had these big men that are immortal big men, but

689
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 8: nobody had to go out and guard. Nobody went out

690
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 8: and guard to the three the big men. But Bosh,

691
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 8: you know, one of the episodes we talk about really

692
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 8: was really different because Lithuania shot three, Spain shot threes,

693
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 8: so Bosh had had to push out, get around, picking

694
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 8: rolls way out on the perimeter. The older guys didn't

695
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 8: do that. I'm not saying they couldn't. David Robinson could

696
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 8: certainly do it, but they didn't have to. That wasn't

697
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 8: the way the game was played. So who could make

698
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 8: the other team play their game? And that then we

699
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 8: get into impossible, you know, beside a computer. I guess

700
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 8: you could feed it in or something, but.

701
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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that in a minute.

702
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: I had a question you guys both obviously, you know,

703
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: have been so good at getting good stories, good details,

704
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: the locker room stuff, the bus trips that you were

705
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: talking about and getting those stories out of people.

706
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 3: Who's been the most honest, Like which interview surprised you

707
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 3: the most? That it was like, Oh, they're really giving

708
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 3: us the goods right now.

709
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Speaker 10: Well, we haven't talked about Phil Jackson. Yeah, and I'm

710
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 10: giving Jack the credits. So Jack emailed him and then

711
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 10: emailed and emailed again, and.

712
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,479
Speaker 9: Then Phil said yes. And Phil doesn't talk a whole

713
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 9: lot these days.

714
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 10: I mean, you really haven't heard from him since the

715
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 10: last dance and so that was a great get by Jack.

716
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 10: But he was really candid about just the journey that

717
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 10: him and Kobe went on and you know, he revisited

718
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 10: the time when he wanted to trade Kobe in two

719
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 10: thousand and four and just had reached the end with

720
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 10: him and wanted him out and just didn't think they

721
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 10: can function together anymore.

722
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 9: And then the reunion, uh, just.

723
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 10: A year later when he came back to coach the

724
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 10: Lakers again and the progress they made and how they

725
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 10: were able to form what wound up being a relationship

726
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 10: that won them two more championships. So that the candid

727
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 10: from Phil Jackson was even though it wasn't new necessarily

728
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 10: I'd heard and he'd written about it before, but just

729
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 10: hearing him say it again with a little bit more perspective,

730
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 10: that was fascinating to me. That was a fascinating fifty

731
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Speaker 10: or sixty minutes that we spent with Phil.

732
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Speaker 8: Every time we got done an interview. I'm I'm not

733
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 8: saying it just to push the podcast, but jay I

734
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 8: and I would go, damn, he was good. And one

735
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 8: of the surprise surprised me the most was Carmelo. I mean,

736
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 8: you know, I think one of the things I found out,

737
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 8: you know, before doing the Dream Team was that, yeah, Okay,

738
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 8: these guys are pain in the ass to get okay,

739
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 8: but you get them and this was a really important

740
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 8: part of their life, Like this is a part they

741
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 8: want to talk about. And the most interesting thing I

742
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 8: think I get fascinated by see Kobe's not with him

743
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 8: right from the beginning, as Jay said, circumstance, he joins

744
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 8: him in two thousand and seven. So now Kobe's coming

745
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 8: into this organization, this club that's been together for a

746
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 8: year and a half. Who's in charge Kobe or Lebron?

747
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 8: I'm talking about on the court, you know. And I

748
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 8: thought we got some of the best stuff out of that,

749
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 8: right Jay, I mean asking I love this question. Who

750
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 8: would you go to? Times running out? You're Jay Kidd,

751
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 8: You're Darren Williams, you're Chris Paul. We didn't get to

752
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 8: talk to Chris, but who would you go to? And

753
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 8: I thought that was some of the most interesting stuff,

754
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 8: right Jay.

755
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Speaker 9: Yeah, And Jason Kidd was another really good one. There's

756
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 9: a lot of good.

757
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 10: Like Jack said, every time, every time we got there,

758
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 10: we're like, man, it's really good. Jason Kidd was the

759
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 10: first player from that team that we talked to, and yeah,

760
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 10: and so he sort of had to be in the

761
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 10: middle and manages the people, and it was. He tells

762
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 10: us the story of kind of him having to like

763
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 10: question Kobe and check cover.

764
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 9: Like like what kind of shots are you taking here?

765
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 9: And but but you know, so so he was.

766
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 10: Older, he wasn't trying to prove himself. What's interesting is

767
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 10: that two thousand and eight, seven and eight is a

768
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 10: time when Dade Wade had just won his ring. In

769
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Speaker 10: two thousand and six, He's feeling himself.

770
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Speaker 2: You know.

771
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Speaker 10: Lebron goes to the finals for the first time in

772
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Speaker 10: two thousand and seven, so he's starting to feel like

773
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Speaker 10: it's his time. And then in two thousand and eight,

774
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Speaker 10: is they get ready to go to Beijing, Kobe's coming

775
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 10: off his MVP season, and so you've.

776
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 9: Got these three guys at the peak. In a lot

777
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 9: of ways, well, Lebron just kept on peaking.

778
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: It's been like, you know, we don't even know, we

779
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: don't know, we don't know the three point line.

780
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 9: But you know, at the time he had really arrived.

781
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 9: We'll put it that way.

782
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 10: Lebron had really just arrived now and and I think

783
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 10: he is he the MVP and O seven not yet,

784
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 10: not yet, but he's about to be.

785
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 9: In v Kobe is the.

786
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 10: Reigning MVP, and Dade Wade is the six Finals MVP,

787
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 10: and so just hearing from the other guys how that

788
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 10: was navigated and and really one of the great successes

789
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 10: was how Sherzhwsky got a lot of them to step

790
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 10: backward right, rather than one guy stepped forward, It's about

791
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 10: them stepping back. And Dwayne Wade came off the bench

792
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 10: because that's what the team means.

793
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Speaker 8: And shot the team. Dwayne Wade came. I mean, he

794
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 8: had his role. They took out. He would come in

795
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 8: usually for Kobe or one of the other guys. And

796
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 8: Dwayne had the greatest role. Shoot the freaking ball. And

797
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 8: I think Dwayne, we should know this.

798
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 9: But he led.

799
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Speaker 8: He lead the score and toay, I think.

800
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 5: He did against Spainey led scoring even though that was

801
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 5: Kobe's game, you know what I mean.

802
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 8: But yeah, I think you know, it was the same

803
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 8: thing on a dream you know, Dream Team, Charles Barkley

804
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 8: had one. Charles Barkley was the leading scorer for the

805
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 8: Dream Team. Charles shot like sixty percent from the floor.

806
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 8: Could not stop him. That doesn't mean he was the

807
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 8: best player, but they could not stop the guy Dwayne Wade.

808
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 8: They couldn't do They couldn't do anything with and he

809
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 8: was usually playing against I mean, he would finish, but

810
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 8: he wouldn't start. He wouldn't start the game. But uh,

811
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 8: it was interesting to me. I think everybody said, do

812
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 8: we want to reveal this Jay When you ask who

813
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 8: would you go to at the end of the game,

814
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 8: and I'll only give you one of them, Darren Williams

815
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 8: just goes Kobe.

816
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: We saw it, we saw it happen, We saw it,

817
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: we saw what happened.

818
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 8: I guess, but then I don't know. Lebron gives you

819
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 8: so many yeh, Lebron at the foul line, at the elbow,

820
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 8: he gives you so many options, but I you know,

821
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 8: I don't know. It seemed to be a vote toward.

822
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jack, I want to go back to how you

823
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 4: mentioned how Kobe played Feba in seven, and that's just

824
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 4: so remarkable to me. This is O seven. Kobe made

825
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 4: man Kobe three rank Kobe, and he didn't take any shortcuts.

826
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 4: He went and played oh seven feeba ball to get

827
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 4: ready for eight. That's just aalkable to me.

828
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, and he came in and set set an example.

829
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 8: Every time you start talking about Kobe's work ethic, it

830
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 8: sounds like you're saying the other guys didn't. But Kobe's

831
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 8: in a way that nobody I've ever heard, including Michael,

832
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 8: had this I guess serious as a purpose, Like, no,

833
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 8: there is no fooling around for one minute. Jordan had

834
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 8: a Michael had a little bit I could be one

835
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 8: of the guys, a little bit of that. I mean,

836
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 8: we all know that he could punch them in the

837
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 8: face too, but he wanted to be a little bit

838
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 8: more of put his arms around guys, not Kobe. Oh,

839
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 8: I'm gonna kill your ass in the shooting drill. That's

840
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 8: what I'm gonna do.

841
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 10: But one of the things that this story is about,

842
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 10: the overall story, is about how Kobe came to be

843
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 10: one of the guys, and Carmelo was really good at

844
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 10: talking about that, how he felt like it was like

845
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 10: a victory, Like, yeah, Kobe, And we start with this

846
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 10: in the first episode. We talk about after they win.

847
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 10: There's an interview with them. There's a clip it's on YouTube,

848
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 10: and Kobe's got his arms around like Wade and Carmelo

849
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 10: and they're all, you know, they're basically basking in the

850
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 10: victory during as they're doing their interviews and like think like,

851
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 10: can you think of like Kobe with his arms around

852
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 10: anybody with the Lakers, you know, even when they're winning

853
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 10: three chances, like, Kobe's not pounding around with them. But

854
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 10: that's what these guys brought out of him, and so

855
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 10: he instilled that mamba mentality, if you want to put

856
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 10: it that way, and all these guys, but they humanized him,

857
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 10: and finally Kobe had a group that he felt like

858
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 10: he could belong to.

859
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 9: Because we talked about this.

860
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 10: When he came in with the Lakers, He's eighteen years old,

861
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 10: you know, like the next closest guy is twenty two,

862
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 10: and so he never had a time where he just

863
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 10: had peers, and so being on this team basically had peers,

864
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 10: if not quite the same age, at least they were

865
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 10: the same accomplishments as him. And so somehow he was

866
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 10: finally finally able to socialize, which he'd never really been

867
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 10: able to do in his career before.

868
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: I'm really interested in that.

869
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: When we got the info about the show, I hadn't

870
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: thought about that, but growing up in southern California as

871
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: a Lakers fan.

872
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: I've mentioned on.

873
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: Our podcast, you'll never see in any movie or TV

874
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: show a greater character arc than you saw with Kobe

875
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: Bryant from when he was a rookie with the Lakers,

876
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: he's playing in the pyramid at Long Beach stayed in

877
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: the summer Pro League to when he retired. I mean,

878
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: it's just like never seen it. Like I hadn't really

879
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: thought of this, of that national team as being such

880
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: a big part of that transition. I'm definitely interested to

881
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: hear that. I wanted to get your guys opinion. You know, Jack,

882
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,959
Speaker 1: you mentioned you were covering the league when Michael Jordan

883
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: came in. You've seen, over your life and career the

884
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: greatest change imaginable in basketball media in terms of you know,

885
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: where things were at that point to where it is now.

886
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: And Jaya, you're a professor of journalism, what do you

887
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: guys think of the relationship between basketball.

888
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 3: Media and the league or the players.

889
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: Do you think it's a healthy relationship. Are there things

890
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: that worry you about it or that you think are

891
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, toxic or not as good as they should be.

892
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 8: Well, since I'm the oldest, I'll speak first. I mean,

893
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 8: I you know, the common thing is that we had

894
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 8: it better, we being back in the eighties that you

895
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 8: could get, you know, was easier to get people and

896
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 8: all that kind of stuff, which is probably true. It's

897
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 8: probably true. But one of the things that happened, you know,

898
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 8: with media in general, is just there's so many ways

899
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 8: to tell a story. Like if you would have told me,

900
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 8: I could have been talking to guys forty years younger

901
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 8: than me, or I could have been working with Jay

902
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 8: who's twenty years younger than me, and we could craft

903
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 8: a story together, you know, in a way that's sort

904
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 8: of similar to writing. I mean, we're doing the same thing.

905
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 8: We have to figure out what do you quote them on,

906
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 8: what do you paraphrase? Where do you lead from this

907
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 8: to this? And so I'm not one of these old

908
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 8: guys that goes, well, it was better, you know, back

909
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 8: when I was different. It's different, but I mean, podcasts

910
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 8: and everything have made it. And the final thing I'll

911
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 8: say is that when you get out of the business,

912
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 8: and I haven't been full time in you know, a decade,

913
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 8: I'll say this about basketball, it is so much better

914
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 8: than everything else. It is so much better than football.

915
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 8: It's not even don't let anybody tell you it's a contest.

916
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 8: Because somebody like me can get away from the game

917
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 8: for ten years and now I want to get back

918
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 8: into a podcast, to a book. It's like I never left,

919
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 8: you know. It's like it's a more welcoming atmosphere always

920
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 8: was for minority journalists, for women, and I always being

921
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 8: a white guy who you know, coasted up the chain,

922
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 8: I really appreciated about that, and we understood it. I'm

923
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 8: telling you, we understood it back in the eighties. It

924
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 8: was a thing that was happening then. And so there's

925
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 8: no comparison between pro basketball and any other pro sport

926
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 8: my opinion.

927
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: Jay.

928
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 10: Yeah, there was a guy named daved Alessandro who used

929
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 10: to cover the Knicks, and he told me when I

930
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 10: was just.

931
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 9: Starting off in Chicago. We said, Jay, there is no

932
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 9: other league.

933
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: That was his phrase for it.

934
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 10: Just when it comes to relations, just just how friendly

935
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 10: and accessible, you know, the media relations aspect, because in

936
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 10: part because they had to because they were a distant

937
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 10: third in the eighties behind NFLA, so that friendliness was there.

938
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 10: I don't see it anymore though, just because guys are

939
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 10: off doing their ig lives or you know now, I'm

940
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 10: sure we'll see them on clubhouse.

941
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 9: I don't know what it's going to be like. Post pandemic.

942
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 10: I don't think it'll be anywhere close to what Jack

943
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 10: and I enjoyed in the eighties and nineties, just the

944
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 10: access you had walking up to Michael Jordan, walking up

945
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 10: to Charles Barkley in the locker room and just starting

946
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 10: to talk. But the challenge that was part of the

947
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 10: challenge of this was it would have been a lot

948
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 10: easier to do this if we could go up and

949
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 10: catch Chris Park. We could probably get Lebron for a

950
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 10: little bit after a game. You just come up next

951
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 10: trying to get Lebron for an hour for Zoom. That

952
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 10: ain't happening right now. So it's just it's just different.

953
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 10: But it reminded me. I think a they were happy

954
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 10: to revisit this great time in their lives because once

955
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 10: we got them, as Jack said, and they were just

956
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 10: ready to go on and on, and it's just fun

957
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 10: and being guys are fun to be around. There's something fun,

958
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 10: joyous about them. We were talking to Chris Bosh last

959
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 10: week and I told them at I said, it's just

960
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 10: good to hear your laugh again, man, you know, like

961
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 10: Chris unfortunately, you know, we got deprived of the last

962
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 10: years of his career because of health issues, but just

963
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 10: being around him even virtually, and just hearing him laugh

964
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 10: and just hearing him.

965
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: Talk ball again. It was a lot of fun.

966
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 10: The thing about podcasts, I'm sure as you guys find

967
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 10: like it's fun to do the job. Writing isn't fun

968
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 10: to do podcasting in TV, Like while you're doing it.

969
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, the only thing different is you can write, you know,

970
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 8: without your pants on, or you can be on the

971
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 8: podcast without your pants on.

972
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 4: But I got him.

973
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 8: I'll say one one thing picking up on what Jay said,

974
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 8: the things, your little things you learned, Like one of

975
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 8: the things that surprised me, I think it was Colangelo

976
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 8: Jay or whoever said it, Craig Miller. Maybe he was

977
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 8: a pr guy. Those guys on the outside, on a

978
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 8: perimeter or periphery of things, they're really valuable to talk

979
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 8: to because they see everything. Somebody said, you know who

980
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 8: Carmelo reminded of He was Barkley, like Kobe was Michael

981
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 8: Lebron's magic. These things aren't exact, you know, Dwayne's Pippin.

982
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 8: You know, Carmelo was Barkley in the way he the

983
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 8: chemistry he had on the team, Like I that was

984
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 8: you know, I covered Carmelo a little bit, and Jay

985
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 8: probably covered him more, but I wouldn't have seen that.

986
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 8: But on that particular team, that was kind of the

987
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 8: role that he played, the guy that kept everybody lose

988
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 8: a little bit of the kid in the school who's

989
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 8: going to be talking, you know, out of you know,

990
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 8: when the teacher's talking and stuff, and they really he

991
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 8: had this beloved image on that team that he did

992
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 8: not have otherwise throughout the league. And that's that's one

993
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 8: of the great things I took away from this podcast,

994
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 8: because if you're doing this a long time, you build

995
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 8: up these prejudices.

996
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: You think that.

997
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 8: And Jerry Colangelo said that Jerry's ten years older than

998
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 8: me and he has to go meet Carmelo Anthony and

999
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 8: he said to him, I hear there's problems with you.

1000
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 8: There's people that don't like you. You got a reputation,

1001
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 8: you know, And he said during the year, Carmelo would

1002
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 8: like call him up a couple of times ago, how

1003
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,479
Speaker 8: am I doing? How am I doing? Because he wanted

1004
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 8: to play on this team so badly, and he was

1005
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 8: such a valuable asset to the team. And I'm glad

1006
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 8: a guy like Carmelo had this experience that kind of

1007
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 8: was able to define him a little bit more than

1008
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 8: the other, you know, not being able to win the

1009
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 8: big one and stuff. You know.

1010
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: But but you know, we've you know, as you guys

1011
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 4: have mentioned O eight was kind of a changing of

1012
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 4: the card a bit, and we saw that same dynamic

1013
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 4: in ninety two where where you know it was it

1014
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 4: was MJ taking the league over from Magic and Bird.

1015
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 4: Have y'all gotten privy to any like practice stories or

1016
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 4: any behind the scenes stories, any locker room stories that

1017
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 4: kind of parallel, like you know, the the dynamic that

1018
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 4: that Magic had with with with with Michael, I'm with

1019
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 4: with Michael and Burn and like Kobe with Braun and

1020
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 4: Wayne in Etctera.

1021
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 9: One, thing is like Lebron kind of disarmed.

1022
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 10: So she Chefsy talked about how funny Lebron was, and

1023
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 10: especially at that stage in his career, Lebron hadn't really

1024
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 10: had his heart broken yet and so everything was fun

1025
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 10: to him, and sometimes a little excessively, you know, to

1026
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 10: to like Chefsy's lament that wanted Lebron to be a

1027
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 10: little bit more serious, But I think Lebron's nature helped

1028
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 10: keep it from being more of a clash for control

1029
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 10: of the team. And there's a documentary, uh, I forget

1030
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 10: what it's called The Road to Redemption.

1031
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 9: I think Nike produced it.

1032
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 10: They had all behind the scenes aspect, and there's there's

1033
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 10: Lebron imitates Kobe. They're all together and Lebron comes up

1034
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 10: and he pulls up his Uh, he's got it.

1035
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 9: They've got the warm up. He pulls up the warm

1036
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 9: up really high like.

1037
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 10: Kobe, you know, and he's imitating him calling out the

1038
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 10: play and he's like, man, that wasn't no play, that

1039
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 10: was Io and Kobe.

1040
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 9: I'm going And so he's.

1041
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 10: Making fun of Kobe in front of Yeah, he's imitating

1042
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 10: Kobe in front of Kobe, and Kobe's loving it. Kobe's

1043
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 10: cracking up, and so like to your point, Tyler, like,

1044
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 10: I don't think Jack, there wasn't that that competition, like,

1045
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 10: and Jack's talked about He writes a whole chapter in

1046
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 10: his Dream Team book about that legendary practice and Monte

1047
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 10: Carlo wanted to prepare for Barcelona and it's and that

1048
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 10: that was the moment where just Michael just alpha dogged

1049
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 10: it and said it's my league now, and Magic and

1050
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 10: Larry had to say okay.

1051
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 9: But I don't think Jack.

1052
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 10: From all of our reporting, it didn't seem like there

1053
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 10: was a singular moment, like the dream.

1054
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 8: T was defined by the leadership of you know, Michael,

1055
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 8: Magic Larry. And the big thing with them was if

1056
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 8: you won championships and they just talked like somebody like, uh,

1057
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 8: somebody would dribble over to the basket, you know, where

1058
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 8: a Magic and Bird were shooting, and it goes, oh, no,

1059
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 8: you can't shoot here. This is a ring basket. This

1060
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 8: is a ring basket. And that was the constant, the

1061
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 8: constant thing that they just beat up on everybody, did

1062
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 8: you And the only ones that had won rings now

1063
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 8: I'm thinking quickly to that point was Magic Bird, Michael,

1064
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 8: and Scottie. Yeah, they're the only ones to that point.

1065
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 8: David won one later, Clyde won one later with a

1066
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 8: different team, so that sort of defined the whole, you know,

1067
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 8: relationship of the team. And because they were such elder statesmen,

1068
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 8: nobody took umbrage to it, nobody took offence to it.

1069
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 8: It was kind of fine. If Michael's given me shit,

1070
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 8: that's my that's great. I'm like one of the guys now,

1071
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 8: And I don't think Kobe like Jay said, Lebron didn't

1072
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 8: operate that way, and Kobe was a little bit more,

1073
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 8: you know, off.

1074
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: To the side.

1075
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 8: So it was a different kind of alchemy on the

1076
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 8: team that it was for the team.

1077
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 10: Kobe wouldn't eat with them like they they they'd all

1078
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,959
Speaker 10: be eating together, and Kobe would just take the food

1079
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 10: and go up in the room. Like after they win

1080
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 10: the championship or the gold medal, Kobe's on the private

1081
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 10: jet back. You know, they're popping champagne together. They all

1082
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 10: get back together at the hotel and Kobe's out. But

1083
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 10: you know, he gave it his all to them, uh,

1084
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 10: you know, they and again he infused them with his

1085
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 10: work ethic and he really bonded with the rest of

1086
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 10: that team. So I was thinking, one thing you're gonna

1087
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 10: like about this is that you're here. You're gonna hear

1088
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 10: coach k curse a lot.

1089
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: Okay, you know that's my favorite thing. Curse Coach K

1090
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 2: that two of my favorite things.

1091
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: You know.

1092
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 8: Tell them Tell them that Jason could gets on with us. Yeah,

1093
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 8: this this really surprised me. Tell them the story, Jay,

1094
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 8: when jon Ki gets on with us with Mike.

1095
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 10: Yeah, so he tells us so basically the first meeting

1096
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 10: when they're all sitting in there and Coach K's dropping

1097
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 10: mfs and f bombs and they says, oh, so it's

1098
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 10: like that.

1099
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 9: It's like this is gonna be fun.

1100
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 10: Like I didn't know Coach Okay, I didn't know yet

1101
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 10: like that. But one thing Coach talks about and I

1102
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 10: really like to lean in. You know, he's a dude

1103
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 10: from Chicago, you know, from you know, a kind of tough,

1104
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 10: you know, Polish neighborhood in Chicago, and so that's.

1105
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 9: Who he's like, I'm gonna show these guys.

1106
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 10: They think they're getting duke Coach K now they're getting

1107
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 10: in Okayago.

1108
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, guys, thank you so much for

1109
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: joining us. The Dream Team Tapes, Season two, Kobe Lebron

1110
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: and the Redeemed Team is available now. Anywhere you're listening

1111
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: to this podcast, you can subscribe to The Dream Team

1112
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: Tapes and our thanks again to Ja and the Jack

1113
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: for joining us.

1114
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 8: Thank you guys.

1115
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 9: All right, guys, all right, thanks.

1116
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 3: Again to Jack and j for joining us.

1117
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun, A great first interview

1118
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: for the Volume Podcast Network incarnation.

1119
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 2: Of Volume Podcast Network.

1120
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 3: Those guys are great, man, I know much fun.

1121
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were so good.

1122
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 2: Man. Those stories were great too. Man, I can't wait

1123
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: to listen to the pod for real.

1124
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: For real, you're just literally like searching through the Coach CA.

1125
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: You're just skipping fifteen seconds ahead on Coach K episode.

1126
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: Listening for the first month, it's good.

1127
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 5: To hear that he's a normal human being outside of basketball.

1128
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 5: You feel me so Coach K and cursing.

1129
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: You know, I'm tapping in for so all right, I.

1130
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: Want to talk to you guys about what the worst

1131
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: possible birthdays to have as far as holidays go, because.

1132
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 3: I believe that I have the worst one. I was

1133
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 3: born on leap Day, February twenty nine.

1134
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 4: So I know you have been getting those corny ass

1135
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 4: Oh so you're really like seven years old? Uh, jokes

1136
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 4: your whole life.

1137
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 8: Bro.

1138
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 9: Let me put it like this.

1139
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: You know how all tall people have a certain edge

1140
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: to them, and if you are around pro athletes or whatever,

1141
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's because they've been asked forty thousand times

1142
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: by people who don't know them how tall they are.

1143
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 9: Right.

1144
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: My experience of that is literally every like if I

1145
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 1: were to meet Neil de grass Tyson and he were

1146
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: to find out my birthday.

1147
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 3: He would go, so, what are you like six years old?

1148
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: Like, rights, the exact same comment, bro, Like I think

1149
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: Tyler said that ship to me too.

1150
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 4: Bro.

1151
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 8: I mean.

1152
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 4: Bro, bro, no, no, no, I promise you. I said

1153
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 4: that you probably get that old time because someone with

1154
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 4: the with the with the last name, who hears the

1155
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 4: same jokes.

1156
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: All the time, I would go, right, right, right right yeah.

1157
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: But that's the other But that's the flip side of

1158
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: it is you either get the joke or you get

1159
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: the same number of people going, I bet you hear

1160
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 1: this all the time.

1161
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 3: Which my response is always yes, I do. Oh it's hard,

1162
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 3: it's hard out here.

1163
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: The other thing is you find out that everyone you

1164
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: know is really bad at math, because fours are actually

1165
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: not that hard to multiply and divide by.

1166
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: But I get all the time, like, so are you four?

1167
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 3: But you think I'm sixteen fucking years old, Like it's

1168
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 3: just not that hard. But my cousin was born on Christmas.

1169
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 3: I would take leap day over Christmas.

1170
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: Was trash, but at least Thanksgiving.

1171
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: I meaneah, because you got to say you don't get

1172
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: to you have no saying anything right.

1173
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: I never had a birthday.

1174
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 5: I never was a cupcake dude in elementary school, and

1175
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 5: that was the coldest nigga on the planet on that day, right,

1176
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 5: being able to bring the cupcakes to school, and like

1177
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 5: elementary school, I never was that guy, all right, And

1178
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 5: then you grow up to find out that Thanksgiving is

1179
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 5: like the worst fucking holiday.

1180
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 2: It's the biggest fucking line, you know what I mean.

1181
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 2: It's embarrassing to be associated with that. Alreadie was accidentally

1182
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: a dupe.

1183
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 6: Fan, you know what I'm saying.

1184
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: And then I gotta be born on Thanksgiving, like you

1185
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: the whackest nigga on the planet.

1186
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 6: You're so bad, dog. He's like, bro, like you know

1187
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 6: what I mean, Like yeah, so, but.

1188
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 3: You at least so. My cousin was born on Christmas.

1189
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: She never got she never she got no birthday presents

1190
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: or whole foot She's never received a birthday present, you

1191
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean. She might have gotten a miniature

1192
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: extra Christmas birthday.

1193
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: Presence kind of trash.

1194
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 5: I never really got like a fire like birthday presents

1195
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 5: were always like a here, it's your birthday Christmas.

1196
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: We always but that's because we you know what I'm saying,

1197
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: Like kids grow up with more money than we grew

1198
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: up with having birth Like my kids are having great birthdays,

1199
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

1200
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 5: My birthdays are like here's something like my mom got

1201
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 5: it on the way home from work.

1202
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: I got to pick that I wanted to go to

1203
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: Jack in the Box instead of going to Wendy's. You

1204
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like I got to upgrade, like

1205
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: you get to pick the fast food place or whatever.

1206
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 3: You know what I think.

1207
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 5: Once I got Mario Brothers three, you know what I mean,

1208
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 5: which is a good gift. And then I got like

1209
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 5: I think twenty one, I got an acoustic guitar that

1210
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 5: I I was like trying to you know, was it Tunic?

1211
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,479
Speaker 5: And the ship burst like like one of the strings popped,

1212
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 5: hit me in my head and I never touched it again.

1213
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: Like that's a sigh.

1214
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 11: On my twenty first birthday, I was tuna and shit

1215
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 11: hits me in my face. I was like, yeah, this

1216
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 11: ain't for me, but it's a really good gift. But

1217
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 11: other than that, birthday gifts was just like you know whatever, Christmas.

1218
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 11: I really like the good gifts anyway, So I don't

1219
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 11: think she missed out on much.

1220
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 9: Bro.

1221
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 4: I remember and when I was in like third grade.

1222
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 4: My mama took me to a birthday party of her

1223
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 4: coworkers kid, and these motherfuckers are rich. Like there was

1224
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 4: a pool in the backyard, and this dude got like

1225
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 4: the motherfucking what was some little ass cars that you

1226
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 4: could actually hop in his kid and drive. You remember

1227
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 4: a top, power wheels, power wheel wheel. This motherfucker got

1228
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 4: a power wheels And I was.

1229
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 3: Like, god damn on a boat day, right, I was.

1230
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 4: Mad as fun, like you really just gonna drive your

1231
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 4: power wheels around your estate to your pool and shit.

1232
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 4: And then we just went back in third grade, right right, he.

1233
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: Was trying to ride that man ride the back to

1234
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 2: the crib.

1235
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 4: Rubb me, that power wheelding eight year old me felt

1236
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 4: the full brunt of income disparity that moment.

1237
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 9: Bro sick.

1238
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 2: That's like the gift that's not the gift you get.

1239
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: That's the only thing you get the entire Christmas. Or

1240
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, that might be a gift for

1241
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: like two Christmases.

1242
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: That's like you shoe boxes full of coal, you know

1243
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I'm like, but really, you know

1244
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: your mom's sitting there with their arms crossing ship.

1245
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the one thing you get for all

1246
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 2: the Christmas. You know what.

1247
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: I think everyone who grew up without money has like

1248
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: a thing that they're like, I'm gonna get this from

1249
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: my kids, you know what I mean. It's like this

1250
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: is the ship that I didn't get or whatever that

1251
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: my kids are gonna have, uh power wheels. Uh. My

1252
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 1: friend JJ and my kids. Uncle JJ got my kids

1253
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: the Jurassic Part power wheel.

1254
01:00:59,200 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

1255
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 3: And he's John.

1256
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: He's like you bro, He's like he's like, I love kids.

1257
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: I'm from a big family. I'm not gonna have any kids, uncle,

1258
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm gonna be the

1259
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: uncle like that uncle.

1260
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 3: And that was for me.

1261
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: Like one of my most emotional moments is a parent

1262
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: my kids just rolling down the middle of the street in.

1263
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 3: Their power wheel like waving to people.

1264
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 7: Like, yeah, we got the power and you did it

1265
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 7: writing though too, which is fire as fuck, you know

1266
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 7: what I mean?

1267
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: Right right, Like that's what's fire.

1268
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 5: You did something that you're passionate about and your kids

1269
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 5: still got the power wheel, you.

1270
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 6: Know what I mean?

1271
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 2: That's fire.

1272
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 11: Uh.

1273
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: The other the only the last thing I want to

1274
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: say about birthdays is Vincent has the best holiday birthday,

1275
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: which is the fourth of July.

1276
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1277
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 4: Yes, but Vincent can't be the cupcake guy at school,

1278
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 4: which is why I like like summer birthdays.

1279
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: But I work so make up for that though.

1280
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 4: That's the only thing everybody cooking out of your birthday.

1281
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 4: That's so yeah, that's no one working.

1282
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 3: Everyone could come over.

1283
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: We throw a bounce house out on the front yard,

1284
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just where it's a party

1285
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: all day. Come by whenever, and he's gonna get high

1286
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: off sugar and watch fireworks.

1287
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 5: Every birthday's ever had a year movie, doll, it's been

1288
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 5: a movie, bro, like you ne' even know till this year.

1289
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 3: The fireworks weren't for him. We've been telling him that

1290
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 3: it was like his like his birthday.

1291
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 2: There you go, bro, it's great.

1292
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to flex on both of y'all right quick,

1293
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 4: because I feel like I have the most perfect birthday.

1294
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 4: My shit is April twenty fifth. There's nothing around it.

1295
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 4: It's eighty degree days all the time, it's schooling session.

1296
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 4: I was that cupcake guy at times. I feel like

1297
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 4: I've got the perfect fucking birthday, bro, a late spring

1298
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 4: birthday with nothing around it. You can't beat that, dug.

1299
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 2: My sister's birthday is a day before yours. Church is

1300
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 2: a twenty fourth you know what I mean? She always

1301
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 2: that day was her day. It was Joy's day. You

1302
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 2: feel me? So I feel what you're saying.

1303
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 3: That's a yeah, that's a beautiful day.

1304
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't bring cupcakes to school because I would have

1305
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: been at least seventy five percent of the time because

1306
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: I would have heard it for the whole fucking day.

1307
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 3: It's not even your real birthday. Like right, all right,

1308
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 3: let me study you.

1309
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 4: Had one fourth of a cupcake today? How does that

1310
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 4: work for you?

1311
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 2: Right?

1312
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, yep, yeah it is that. Before we get

1313
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 3: out of here, we talking about one division, Tyler.

1314
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, let's go, let's go. Let's How good was

1315
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 4: that episode?

1316
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 9: I was?

1317
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 3: I was very moved, bro by that episode. I was

1318
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 3: very moved, genuinely, Like what about the quote?

1319
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 11: Was it?

1320
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 3: What is greed? Goddamn? In a show about the scarlet

1321
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 3: witch in division?

1322
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 2: That's a lifetime quote. You take that with you for

1323
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 2: the rest of your life.

1324
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 4: You feel me for the rest of your life, bro,

1325
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 4: Like like like Disney Plus went from rolling out cute

1326
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 4: ass baby Yoda to this shit about how to fucking

1327
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 4: get through trauma and grief and you know, yeah, and

1328
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 4: its motherfucker's being nerds about that shit on Twitter too.

1329
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 4: If you've seen that ship, we heard this.

1330
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: Sentiment before, I've skipped it because I'll get action, because

1331
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: i get mad at people like now shut the fuck up, like.

1332
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 2: Everybody's friend at that moment, right.

1333
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 4: Like like like like, I'm sure we absolutely have heard

1334
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 4: that sentiment before, but that shit was powerful as fuck.

1335
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: Nonetheless, so and I thought, I mean the episode itself

1336
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: like it led to that moment perfectly, but it was

1337
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: also seeing her. It was exactly what we talked about.

1338
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: Like I think the first episode we were talking about

1339
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: the show like if you had the power to reshape reality,

1340
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: we all have a moment in our life where we

1341
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: would have I don't give a fuck about these other

1342
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: people in this neighborhood, like I'm gonna remake everything to

1343
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: put that person back, change this decision or whatever.

1344
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 3: And so I like, to me, I mean, like, you know,

1345
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 3: we know in superhero.

1346
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: Stuff, like the good guy's gonna fight the bad guy,

1347
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: the good guy's usually gonna win, right, But these expert

1348
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: to me looking at shit like this like, if you

1349
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: had these powers, what would that actually do in your life?

1350
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: With the emotions that you go through? To me, I'm

1351
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: so much more interested in that, And I love that

1352
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: they saved it for a TV show. You couldn't have

1353
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: done a story like this in a movie. It would

1354
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: have had a weird fucking ending on it. But it's

1355
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:28,439
Speaker 1: perfect for the show.

1356
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 2: Man.

1357
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see.

1358
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm confident they're gonna stick the landing, but I'm excited

1359
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: to see the finale next week too.

1360
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, I definitely think they're gonna stick

1361
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 4: the landing. We got motherfucking white walker ass vision coming through.

1362
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 2: Explain that to me, please, I don't get that.

1363
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 4: If they're sticking the cannon, white vision is not red

1364
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,439
Speaker 4: and green vision at all. He is, like, that's vision

1365
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 4: two point oh, and he is vision two point oh.

1366
01:05:58,760 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 5: Like.

1367
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 4: The thing that is endearing about the first vision, about

1368
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 4: the red and green vision is that you know, he

1369
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 4: is a logical being trying to figure out human emotion.

1370
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 2: Right like.

1371
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 4: The white vision vision two one oh. He doesn't give

1372
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 4: a fuck about any of that. That motherfucker is a calculator.

1373
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 4: He's a Hewlett Packard Bro's like he doesn't give a shit, right, right,

1374
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 4: He doesn't give a shit about any of that. So,

1375
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 4: but we did learn that in this episode that that

1376
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 4: Wanda did not actually resurrect Vision because she didn't have

1377
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 4: his body. And we saw her, you know, when she

1378
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 4: had that moment where she just lost it all and

1379
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 4: just you know, created the own reality, and we saw

1380
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 4: her create vision as well. But I'm gonna fucking nerd

1381
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 4: the fuck out right here for a second, if y'all

1382
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 4: will allow, Yes, yes, you have to pay attention to

1383
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 4: the colors of the Infinity Stones to kind of follow

1384
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 4: shit here, right, because Wanda is she you know, she's

1385
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 4: a reality wore her and the color of the Reality.

1386
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 2: Stone is red.

1387
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 4: I'm not and I'm not saying that I wanted to

1388
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 4: possesses the Reality Stone, but that's just the way that

1389
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 4: that color exactly exactly in the Marvel universe. That's the

1390
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 4: way that that energy manifest and manifest and red. And

1391
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 4: you know she brought vision back, and you saw vision

1392
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 4: was yellow, right, because we all know that that vision

1393
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 4: came to fruition from from Jarvis and the yellow Soul Stone,

1394
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 4: combining and creating. You know, vision's conscious, and that's how

1395
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 4: vision came to be. And we've also seen that Agnatha's

1396
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 4: powers are purple, which is the powerstone, right, And like

1397
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 4: I said, I'm not saying that these all these people

1398
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 4: possess that that those stones. That's just the color and

1399
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 4: the way that that manifest in the in the in

1400
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 4: the Marvel universe. So and that's why Agnatha is so

1401
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 4: pressed to find out about how Agnatha controlled everything right, right,

1402
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 4: because I feel because because Wanda can can warp reality,

1403
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 4: while Agnes she can only she has the power. She

1404
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 4: has power for you you know, if we go back

1405
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 4: to that Covenant scene right where where she was on trial,

1406
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 4: and you saw that the most powerful witch, you know,

1407
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 4: the one who who when they were trying to yeah

1408
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 4: her mom, we saw that there was a purple crown

1409
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 4: that was on top of her head during that moment.

1410
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 4: And when you know when Agnatha you know, basically killed

1411
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 4: everybody because she was more powerful than them, she was

1412
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 4: like feeling around on her head because she expects to

1413
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 4: have that that purple crown because she was the most

1414
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 4: powerful witch. But it wasn't there because there is a

1415
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 4: more powerful witch out there who's you know, in scarlet Witch,

1416
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 4: and she has a red crown because like she's the

1417
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 4: most powerful reality exactly right, right, right, So yeah, so

1418
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 4: you have to look at the colors of the souls,

1419
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 4: of the soul gems, the soul stones and kind of

1420
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 4: you know, connected us there because Vision.

1421
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 8: Is not.

1422
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 4: She did not resurrect Vision.

1423
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 2: She which was?

1424
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 9: Which was?

1425
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 3: Which was?

1426
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: Like the big question again we talked about it the

1427
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: first episode, like is this the show their way of

1428
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 1: bringing Vision back? Is he just back within this world

1429
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 1: or whatever? And as we saw, he tried to leave

1430
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: and he couldn't leave, He couldn't exist outside of the hecks.

1431
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 1: And as we saw in this last episode, she didn't

1432
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: even have his actual body exactly. Dick Cheney from Sword

1433
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 1: had his body and put the old Dog puts you know,

1434
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: Jem in his forehead to turn him that color white

1435
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:31,719
Speaker 1: or whatever.

1436
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 4: So yeah, for sure, right right right, But but you know,

1437
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 4: going back to him being yellow, when she manifested him,

1438
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 4: she brought back his consciousness, but not his physical formance

1439
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 4: when I'm thinking, right, because we all know that that

1440
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 4: vision was created by Jarvis and the soulstone merging, and

1441
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 4: you know, the soulestone is yellow, so you know, but

1442
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 4: it probably goes back to the whole energy cannot be

1443
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 4: created or destroyed, So she kind of reached into like

1444
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 4: the soul realm to bring back Vision's consciousness. And we

1445
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 4: know that Vision is his own conscious being from how

1446
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 4: he's questioning everything here and.

1447
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 3: It's Vision Vision. Agatha and the two kids are the brains,

1448
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 3: and she does not have like under.

1449
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: Her control that are like exactly thinking and questioning and

1450
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 1: doing things, So like those are still my questions, is like,

1451
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen.

1452
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 3: With I mean, obviously, how's a platinum resolve?

1453
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: But then are the kids also just in that world

1454
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 1: or I mean, because that might have just been a

1455
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: hell of a pump fake for them to introduce the

1456
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: kids with two characters that actually exist to where we're

1457
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: all thinking, oh, okay, these are that's how they're bringing

1458
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: these two kids into the world or whatever. Maybe not,

1459
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that next episode might be

1460
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: a motherfucker bro.

1461
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 4: And and and and and and to your point, like

1462
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 4: I said, Agnes's her her power is, you know, it's

1463
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 4: it's centered in in the powerstone of the whole university

1464
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 4: from her her purple fucking force fields and ship right,

1465
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,640
Speaker 4: and you saw that that she mentioned that you know,

1466
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 4: she she was the person who was controlling the fucking

1467
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 4: and you know, the fake Pietro because she could like

1468
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 4: only control a few people at a time, while Wana

1469
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 4: can control a whole fucking town. Right. And if you

1470
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 4: look closely at when she was holding the kids on

1471
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 4: the strings, her fingers were like whittling away because she

1472
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 4: couldn't hold that shit for too much longer. So there's that,

1473
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 4: and then there's this. There's this too. I think that

1474
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 4: she wants to know how Wanda was able to to,

1475
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 4: you know, extract someone's consciousness because I think that there's

1476
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 4: something possessed in that bunny of hers that she has.

1477
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 4: I think there's a soul in there that she wants

1478
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 4: to to get out to. It might be mefisto, but

1479
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 4: there's a soul in that rabbit that ate a fucking

1480
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 4: bird as.

1481
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: We say, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think they're gonna

1482
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: get I don't think it.

1483
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 4: I don't think they'll get weird with it like with

1484
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 4: my fish though, but they might say myfisto for Doctor

1485
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 4: Strange's movie. But there is a soul that I think, Yeah,

1486
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,759
Speaker 4: there's a soul that I think Agnes wants to extract

1487
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 4: back into its previous physical form somehow someway. But yeah,

1488
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 4: that was me turning out on y'all for a second.

1489
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 4: Those are my theories. We'll fight out next fucking week.

1490
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll fighted the funk up.

1491
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: I love that John, just like I go like, all right,

1492
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about WandaVision, and then John's like like

1493
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: mister burns fingers, like okay, like.

1494
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 3: Motherfucker's talk about with Won.

1495
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it's very interesting. I don't think this far

1496
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 2: into these Marvel joints.

1497
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 5: I didn't, you know, I didn't read comic books like that,

1498
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying growing up.

1499
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 2: But uh, I think I think what you're saying is interesting.

1500
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 2: I want to see what the happens. I'll be high

1501
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 2: as fuck watching the ship too. I'm just enjoying it.

1502
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 2: On some like these, this is a fun experience, you know,

1503
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 2: like a roller coaster.

1504
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 6: You feel me like I.

1505
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 2: Get high and you know, and go to Disney World.

1506
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 2: You know.

1507
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 5: That's that's how that's our approach to Wanda Vision, y'all

1508
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 5: breaking the ship down like it's science.

1509
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 4: Here's a here's another prediction I have though, As I

1510
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 4: mentioned that, you know Vision, he's his conscious is brought

1511
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 4: into Wanda's world and this white Vision is not Vision, right,

1512
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:05,679
Speaker 4: He's a complete new iteration. I do think that there's

1513
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 4: a possibility that that they know that Vision can insert

1514
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 4: his consciousness into this new Vision and become the old Vision.

1515
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 4: But I don't think it's gonna happen because there's a scene. Yeah,

1516
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 4: because because one, this is not gonna be a happy

1517
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 4: ending story, not with all the shit that we've dealt with.

1518
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 4: This is not gonna be some goddamn Dale's ex Vision

1519
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 4: who comes through and say a day and there's some

1520
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 4: fucking glorious ending.

1521
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 6: Right.

1522
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 4: But there's a scene, there's a scene in this episode

1523
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 4: where they're watching that whole fucking she shed fall on

1524
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 4: the dad from back them in the middle, and Vision

1525
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 4: was like this, this is funny. Why is he hurt?

1526
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 8: Is?

1527
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Speaker 4: I don't understand why people were laughing some hurting, And

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01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 4: Wanda says some this isn't that type of show. And

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01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 4: I think that's gonna come back full circle because I

1530
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 4: think that this is not gonna be that type of

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01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 4: show where there's a happy ending and we all know

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01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 4: that hey, death is just in physical harmonies.

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01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 3: That's the show.

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01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 4: She's trying to then it's all happy.

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01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 3: Then, yeah, that's the show she's been.

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01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 4: Trying to turn it into since the first episode and

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01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 4: it hasn't worked right, right, So yeah, So so I

1538
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 4: think that scene was very important. We just said, that's

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01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 4: not this type of show, because life isn't the sitcoms

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01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 4: that she is trying to make her life into, and

1541
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 4: that's what she's been run from the whole fucking season.

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01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 3: So yeah, because Tony Stark drops the fucking missile through

1543
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 3: your through your fucking bedroom window.

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01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 4: Bro, and I finally and I finally understood, And yeah,

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01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 4: that was the moment. I'm gonna be honest with you.

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01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 4: There's there's two things about this that I about this

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01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 4: whole season that I not understanding. I hope you get

1548
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 4: somebody who will break all this shit down or some

1549
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 4: answers in the last episode the male man, who the

1550
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 4: fuck is he? And a lot of the commercials I

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01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 4: don't get. But that whole fucking bomb that kept blinking

1552
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 4: and never went off. Remember that toaster commercial, that Starks

1553
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 4: toaster commercial with the with the beat beef than ever

1554
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 4: and the and the toast never popped up. Okay, that

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01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 4: was the connection there.

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01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it all right, Basketball WandaVision interviews. It's just,

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01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's all kinds of a good shit man.

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01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: It's just like whatever, Hell yeah, all right, that's it

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01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 1: for this week. We'll be back on Thursday with another

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01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: episode of Jenkinson Jones.

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Speaker 2: Bye Bye,