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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stephane

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Speaker 1: never told you Protection of I Heart Radio. And today

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Speaker 1: we have a feminist movie Friday that we have been

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Speaker 1: hinting at for a while. Yeah, yeah, because we wanted

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Speaker 1: to do something for Hispanic Carritage Month, but also a

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Speaker 1: horror movie. And so there were like four options. Is like, Samantha,

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Speaker 1: pick one. You said you just sent me this option.

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Speaker 1: I would like I could bring up the email right

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Speaker 1: there for Okay, I want to well, clearly there's some

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Speaker 1: So if you want to give your your little content

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Speaker 1: warning before we get into yes, I will let me

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Speaker 1: go ahead because I was like, let me do this

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Speaker 1: was not given. And me, trying to finally be ahead

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Speaker 1: as I'm watching, I realized I've been tricked in so

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Speaker 1: many ways because there is a lot of violence, which

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Speaker 1: I it's not expected for a horror movie. Definitely, like yes,

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Speaker 1: absolutely probably death, Yes, probably murder. Yeah, we know ghosts

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Speaker 1: and things are really mean things. Who like to possess people.

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Speaker 1: But no, this is not your typical because there's also

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Speaker 1: some a lot of child engagement, child estrangement uh being orphaned,

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Speaker 1: as well as child murder, which I was not prepared for.

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Speaker 1: And when these happened, I was like, what the hell

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Speaker 1: have you done? Any And then I need some spoilers,

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Speaker 1: and I did get some spoilers, and yes, obviously another warning,

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Speaker 1: your alley, go for it. I guess no, I'm just kidding,

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Speaker 1: because this movie is definitely a great movie. It's well

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Speaker 1: made and the filmmaker did a great job. But it's

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Speaker 1: definitely something like if you like The Wire as the show,

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Speaker 1: which is how I kind of prepared it and pans Labyrinth, UH,

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Speaker 1: then you will like this, but just expect trauma to

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Speaker 1: linger for yourself. If you're a social worker who has

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Speaker 1: because this is where I was. I was like, what

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Speaker 1: I think that's how I ended my text with you.

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Speaker 1: It was like a biefing at this point because there's

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Speaker 1: let should have I should have it. Let's just be honest.

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Speaker 1: I should have been a little more prepared. And I'm

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Speaker 1: saying this while rubbing my face, but I still wasn't

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Speaker 1: and I had to remember, like, oh, yeah, reality sucks

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Speaker 1: and this is definitely one of those like, hey, this

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Speaker 1: some of the not in Mexico obviously, but like losing

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Speaker 1: It was an awful, traumatizing movie though. That's how I'm

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Speaker 1: going to put it. So there's a content warning. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of you know, the Spanish Civil War or whatever it is. Yeah, pretentents, yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: And in fairness to me, I hadn't seen it yet,

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Speaker 1: And then I was like, what the did I just watch? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: stuff all that in the content morning the movie we

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Speaker 1: are talking about. Let us finally say. The title is

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Speaker 1: called Tigers Are Not Afraid. It's the English title for

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Speaker 1: the Mexican seventeen crime fantasy horror film Velven, which translates

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Speaker 1: to They Return, and it's written in directed by Lopez.

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Speaker 1: It starts Paolo Lara, Juan Ramon Lopez, Janice Guero. Oh,

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Speaker 1: horror icons like Stephen King, Neil Gaiman, Gambro del Toro.

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Speaker 1: so of course he is. Yes, it's um a dark

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Speaker 1: All right, this is just to me that the monkey's

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Speaker 1: It's really interesting because in Spanish, the word for both

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Speaker 1: the deal. I don't believe neither in genre nor in gender.

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Speaker 1: I believe in the stories that need to be told.

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Speaker 1: and it stays yeah, and kind of going into that,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to include this one more quote from Lopez.

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Speaker 1: It's a bit longer, but I think it explains a lot.

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Speaker 1: As I was writing the first scenes, I created this

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Speaker 1: image of a girl that has to leave school because

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Speaker 1: there was a shootout right outside, and she sees a

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Speaker 1: dead body, which happens frequently in war culture, and she

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Speaker 1: watches it for a second and then turns around and

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Speaker 1: walks away. And that's not something you can do with violence.

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Speaker 1: You can't turn your back and walk away. It will

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Speaker 1: come after you until you look at it and you

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Speaker 1: understand what's going on. And as I'm writing that scene

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Speaker 1: and she turns around from the pool of blood, a

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Speaker 1: line of blood starts following her, and it became sort

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Speaker 1: of the lame most chief of the movie how Death

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Speaker 1: Will come with You, will walk with you until you

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Speaker 1: accept and embrace the situation you were in. I think

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Speaker 1: that it's the perfect for you to understand a broken universe.

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Speaker 1: But also, I'm Mexican. I'm deeply Latin American, and the

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Speaker 1: entire thing about Latin America is magical thinking and witchcraft

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Speaker 1: and ghost and leading with our death. So it was

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Speaker 1: just a matter of sitting down to write at the

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Speaker 1: very beginning and not trying to pull the story in

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Speaker 1: that direction, but simply getting out of the way for

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Speaker 1: the story to tell itself. And she did that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I still hate it. There you go another boe um.

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Speaker 1: And then, as you mentioned, just to wrap up here,

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Speaker 1: there were a lot of comments about Australia being a woman,

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Speaker 1: a young girl in the situation, and and kind of

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Speaker 1: women in general. There were there was things like she's

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Speaker 1: a chick, chicks are bad block the whole idea of

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Speaker 1: blaming her, like she's the reason these things went went wrong.

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Speaker 1: There's things like your pink girly asked one of them, say,

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Speaker 1: she's repeatedly called a slut and a bit, so that

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Speaker 1: is there. It's definitely making a comment on her sexuality,

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Speaker 1: like they're always bringing it up and always make it

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Speaker 1: seem like, oh you're a bad book, or oh you're weaker,

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Speaker 1: or we just don't want you around because you're no

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Speaker 1: good And definitely a whole big part of her being

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Speaker 1: the only girl, and she was kind of a mother

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Speaker 1: figure too until she lost grace due to lying with

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Speaker 1: her just admitting the truth. I'm still going to hold

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Speaker 1: do that, but trying to find her own and of

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Speaker 1: course it ends with an his ending because like she

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00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: doesn't have anybody. The two people that really kind of

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00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: welcomed her shine even though he didn't love it, um

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Speaker 1: and then Morrow, and then of course the two others

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00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: were like, you're a liar, get away from me, and

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Speaker 1: you killed Morrow. Essentially it was really tragic. So she's

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Speaker 1: again alone. Yeah, she's vindicated and maybe things will change

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Speaker 1: because this politician is gone. Um, but who knows. It's

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Speaker 1: just it was a lot. It was a lot, and

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Speaker 1: yeah I hated it, Um, But would I recommend you

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Speaker 1: watching it if you have the power to do so,

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Speaker 1: go for it, because I will never watch this again anyway.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I feel like you've shrieked me a few gens.

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Speaker 1: I am trying to you. I feel bad. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: I I honestly was going to warn you, but you

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Speaker 1: were being a star student and I tried to what

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Speaker 1: I get it again, Oh no, I've ruined it. You'll

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Speaker 1: never take any of my recommendations again. A little guard.

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Speaker 1: But yes, I think we need to go back to

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Speaker 1: there's so much to be said. We could have breaken

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Speaker 1: each scene a part about the depth of it. She

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Speaker 1: made this horror movie in order for you to understand

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Speaker 1: the depth. But then she also made a movie where

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Speaker 1: she still had a connection with her mother that was

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Speaker 1: on a deeper level, even in her decomposing state. Um

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Speaker 1: and then passing along a love and a passion or

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Speaker 1: traditional or just her heritage with that bracelet. I think

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00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: that was really important as well. Of course, that bracelet

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00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: came to haunt her a little bit too, with the

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Speaker 1: birds that kept haunting her um, which I'm sure there's

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Speaker 1: an omen to that we know. I think they were crows,

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00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: which has a lot of ominous behind it as well.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I like that she was the main character

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Speaker 1: as Jaya, much like we were talking about with Pains,

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Speaker 1: Leper has this main carecter her that's a girl going

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Speaker 1: through her life and trying to just find a way

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Speaker 1: to fit in and to survive. Um. And then also

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Speaker 1: the play on and I don't know if she did

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Speaker 1: I play on the monkey Paw. I'm sure there's more

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Speaker 1: stories and legends that come through and in Mexico that

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Speaker 1: has a linkage to that as well, because I know

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Speaker 1: there's variations. Um, but it was it was a deep movie,

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00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: beautifully filmed, tragically filmed. Uh. These actors were wonderful. These

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Speaker 1: children were like just amazing and this is why it

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Speaker 1: bothered me so much. They were too good at this. Also,

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Speaker 1: all of this was tragic and again like her trying

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Speaker 1: to fix shine space and then immediately he died, and

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00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, like what the once again? What the Annie?

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Speaker 1: But yes, like even though I protest a lot, yes

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Speaker 1: I hate it. It was a beauty full bobe. Still

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Speaker 1: I'm very haunted by it. Yeah, that sticks with you,

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00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: sticks with you? How dare you? I'm sorry? Well there

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Speaker 1: you go with that. Um. We we do love getting

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Speaker 1: recommendations from you listeners. You haven't burned that bridget for her,

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Speaker 1: so yes, I will take your recommendation. You can send

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