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Speaker 1: Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon in this episode number twohund in

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Speaker 1: seventy six, and today I'm joining the show by my

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Speaker 1: good buddy Dan Johnson for a fun discussion about the

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Speaker 1: Iowa turkey season, by Montana public land scouting and ship

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Speaker 1: hunting trip, and two new deer hunting methodologies of sorts

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Speaker 1: that Dan and I are developing. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: another episode of the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by on X, and today we are doing something

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Speaker 1: we haven't done in too long. I think, um a while,

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Speaker 1: it's been a little bit too long, and that is

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Speaker 1: a full blown market Dan catch up the session on

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Speaker 1: all sorts of topics. So, I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if we'll talk about any of these things, Dan, because

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Speaker 1: we tend to go off on tangents. But we have

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Speaker 1: the potential today to talk about career changes, to talk

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Speaker 1: about kids, to talk about turkey hunting, to talk about

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Speaker 1: shed hunting, yes, to talk about scouting public land, UH,

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Speaker 1: to talk about what I'm coining my assumption to truth

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Speaker 1: deer hunting methodology. Oh boy, that sounds complex. I know.

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Speaker 1: We might need to work on the title. Is that

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Speaker 1: gonna go way over my head? It might. We might

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Speaker 1: talk about Disney movies. Oh boy, I got some I

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Speaker 1: could drop some knowledge about Disney movies. I'm starting to

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Speaker 1: learn a lot to um and that that's just like

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Speaker 1: the first ten fifteen minutes. So that's that's that's what

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Speaker 1: we potentially have in store, Dan, or anything else. We'd

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Speaker 1: talk about Game of Thrones. Did you watch the new

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Speaker 1: episode of Game of Thrones? No? I didn't, but it's

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Speaker 1: on my list of things to do. Yeah, I woke

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Speaker 1: up earlier this morning to watch him. Oh boy, don't

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Speaker 1: talk about Okay, we can't talk about it then, So

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Speaker 1: you're all you're all caught up though, Ready for the

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Speaker 1: na Dude? You want to talk about some bench, some binging, right,

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Speaker 1: so it would be like in your college days? Well yeah,

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Speaker 1: different kind of binge. We didn't have Netflix back then, dude.

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Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, you know, let me start this Game

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Speaker 1: of Thrones thing and okay, let's check it out next thing.

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Speaker 1: You know. Um, I'm you know, putting the kids to bed,

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Speaker 1: I do my work, right, and then it's like, I

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Speaker 1: can't go straight to bed, so I need to unwind.

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Speaker 1: It's ten o'clock at night, and this is back when

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Speaker 1: I had a job, and I'm just like, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: can just watch one episode and then uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: one epio sod and then I'll go to bed. Yeah bullshit. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's like it's three am, and I'm just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Valerian Steel kills the White Walkers, I can't back, like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, you know, Like, and then I listened

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Speaker 1: to myself talk. I'm just like, oh, dude, you are

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Speaker 1: such a nerd. Yeah, you gotta watch out. You're becoming

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Speaker 1: too much like me. That's yeah, that's that's been my

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Speaker 1: typical calling car And now you're right there with me, dude.

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Speaker 1: It's good stuff. And then guess what else dropped this weekend?

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Speaker 1: Uh the news trailer for Star Wars. Oh you're right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I saw that. That was pretty good. Yeah. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know, man, we'll see a lot of good nerds

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Speaker 1: stuff in the future. Um, just when people think that

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Speaker 1: be awesome if we hang hung out sometime or whatever.

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Speaker 1: On social and then they're like, listen to this and

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Speaker 1: then man, maybe not yeah, seriously question that. Uh you

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Speaker 1: mentioned something in passing there that we have not covered

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Speaker 1: yet public Glee, at least on the Weird Hunt podcast.

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Speaker 1: So people haven't been like following you in other places

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Speaker 1: on your own stuff. They might not know that you

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Speaker 1: are now jobless, living underneath the bridge, eating a steady

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Speaker 1: how it goes? Is that? Right? Yeah? Absolutely? My my

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Speaker 1: down by the river, living your dream. In all seriousness, though, um,

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Speaker 1: what is what is going on? Are things going? Well? Yeah, dude,

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Speaker 1: it's it's weird, right. So, like I got laid off,

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Speaker 1: made that financial adjustment before it happened. So now that

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Speaker 1: made that transition much softer into you know, full time

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Speaker 1: almost seemed like a blessing in disguise. I talked to you,

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Speaker 1: going all. Yeah. So another adjustment that you have to make,

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Speaker 1: So because I don't have a job that I have

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Speaker 1: need them to shut up. So, speaking of speaking of

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Speaker 1: your hands full already. But I ran across a possible

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Speaker 1: job opportunity for you. Are you interested in hearing about it?

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Speaker 1: At least? Is it? Because I think I ran across

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Speaker 1: who is a talent acquisition coordinator, oh boy, for a

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Speaker 1: commercial bird removal company. And she reached out. She's like, Hi, Mark,

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Speaker 1: removal company. Uh. We like to search out hunters with

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Speaker 1: oh my god, you're sitting on like just imagine some

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Speaker 1: psychopath on top of a target just blasting pigeons. Right, No,

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Speaker 1: and there's someone out at this property scouting and shed

424
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: hunting too, Like, who is out doing that on a

425
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: Thursday morning except for somebody like me who doesn't have

426
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: like a normal day job doing this kind of stuff.

427
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: So this guy had like bow hunter and white tail

428
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: stickers plaster all over his car. So I'm thinking, well,

429
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna go really well. Um, so started walking.

430
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: But it's it's a really good looking chunk, really super thick,

431
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: it's a food around it. I really liked it. It's

432
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: a good spot. I think that could be worth hunting.

433
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: Um tons of sign but only found one shed. But

434
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: I think that could be, you know, because this person

435
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: was out there and maybe a lot of other people

436
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: have been out there too. So that was another one

437
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: just good check the box. But the the big point

438
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: of this is that fate intervened, and I got text

439
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: message from one of the ranch owners out on my

440
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: main area who said, hey, we didn't end up getting

441
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: as much snow as they predicted. Um, we probably have

442
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: two inches and the sun's out. It's probably be melting

443
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: off by this evening or tomorrow. You might still want

444
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: to come out, Okay. So that was a big positive.

445
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know what, Okay, this spot

446
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: not that great. I'm just gonna turn and head back

447
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: to this other main area. And so I made like

448
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: the four and a half hour drive across to the

449
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: original spot that I want to hit, and I had

450
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: three different pieces of public land there I want to

451
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: check out, and then some private land that neighbors it

452
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: that I have permission on as well to walk, and

453
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: the long story shore, and that is that first night

454
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: one piece of public I don't want if I talked

455
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: to you about this one or not last year. Um,

456
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: but I hunt of this spot one day last year,

457
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: just snuck in hunting edge to kind of observe and

458
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: saw a nice box and saw a ton of deer.

459
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: And the next two days I hunted that main spot

460
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: and killed that buck. But this area you have to

461
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: hike a mile and a half across these big, rolling,

462
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: grassy plains and then dropped down a canyon to get

463
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: to a river bottom. And so I go across this

464
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: big plane. I get to the beginning of that canyon

465
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: and I see some mule their way off the distance,

466
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, man, that's coolers, some mule he's

467
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: out here. Um, I wonder if I could find a

468
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: mule there ship. And I just as I'm thinking that

469
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: my head, I step over the hill and I can

470
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: see down this little I don't know what you call it,

471
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: a little bull in the side of the hill, and

472
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: right there is sitting a match set of great, big

473
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: mule deer antlers, and I want to I want to

474
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: mule there so bad. Dude. Yeah, I feel like this.

475
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: This gave me like a little more of like an interest,

476
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: like holding those in my hands. Just seeing that laying

477
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: there was really really cool. I mean, I don't know

478
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: how I could measure them, but I haven't measured them,

479
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: but they're big. Uh. Interesting thing about mule deer antlers

480
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: is they feel much lighter compared to white tail antlers,

481
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: so like, these are big sheds. And then I held

482
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: a smaller white tail shed in one hand, and then

483
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: this big mule there shed on the other, and the

484
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: white tail sheds is heftier, and then the mule dere shed.

485
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's about. I'm pretty sure it's

486
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: not in my head. I'm like, it really feels like

487
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 1: a dramatic difference to me. Um So, I guess it's

488
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: the density or something. Um is different. Possibly maybe I'm

489
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 1: sure there's somebody out there knows better than me. Um.

490
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: But I found that pretty interesting. But yeah, match set big?

491
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: What is it like? I guess would be a four

492
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: point side but with big deep splits on the G

493
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: two's um. So, that was awesome. I'm jealous, buddy, it was.

494
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: It was cool. So let me ask you this was

495
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: it a You said it was a big set, like

496
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: a big match set. But like obviously mule deer antlers

497
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: compared to white tail antlers are always kind of bigger.

498
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: You know, I should I shouldn't say always bigger, but

499
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean? Like on average? Um,

500
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: was it something that would be considered a shooter out there? Oh?

501
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: I would definitely shoot it out there. Um So I'm

502
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: not good alright, I've never tried to score mule the anilers,

503
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: so like just by like looking at them, I don't

504
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: know what I could tell you as far as like

505
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: what the score would be. Um. But if I were

506
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: to look at this set of anilers and I think,

507
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: what kind of like white tail, if I was scoring

508
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: as a white tail, um, I don't know, like a

509
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: one sixty one seventy something like that, so a good one,

510
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: like a good one like big frames. I didn't see

511
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: a picture of you like doing the standard double fist, yeah,

512
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, like the right and your left hand and

513
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: the right or whatever, you know, holding both andlers and

514
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: doing the the pose. But I did see the pics, yeah,

515
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: them on the ground, so how big they were. Yeah.

516
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: The reason why there's no pictures of me in there

517
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: with him is because I brought my good camera and

518
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: tripod out there, and I thought, okay, I could do

519
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: some like you know, self timer pictures like that, um.

520
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: And then I went to go try to take a

521
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: picture and I realized that I forgot to put an

522
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: SD card in the camera, so I knew SD card

523
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: out there, So the only pictures I could take with

524
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: with my cell phone. UM, So that was a little disappointing.

525
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're they're big, Like they're the biggest antlers

526
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: in my house, probably um, bigger than any white tail

527
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: should I have. So that's pretty sweet. And then I

528
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: found another shed down that river bottom. Got to scout

529
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: that whole area out real well, which is nice since

530
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: the one time I hunted it was just you know,

531
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: sit on the edge. So I feel like that's a

532
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: definite future option. And then, uh, then the next day,

533
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: you know, I got to walk that area that I

534
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: have hunted in the past and picked up twenty one

535
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: sheds that day. I found sixteen before noon. Geez. So

536
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: when you're on a roll like that, did you have

537
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: to make a pile and then come back to it

538
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: or were you able to attach them all to your backpack?

539
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: I was able to fit them on my backpack. Um,

540
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: but like, this is the first time ever while shed

541
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: hunting that I actually had like sore shoulders from my backpack.

542
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: Never in my life as I happened. But I literally

543
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: had like really heavy backpack, which is a really nice

544
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: problem to have. Um, it was crazy. It was just

545
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: a situation where you know, and you heard about I mean,

546
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: we've talked about how these hunts won. This area has

547
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: a lot of deer and there's a good food source there,

548
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: so there's a ton of deer betted around there. Um.

549
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone the private land that this

550
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: is kind of checkerboarded with that landowner had picked up

551
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: a handful of out in his fields. Um. But that's

552
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: basically it. So I had pretty much first DIBs on

553
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: the on that private stuff there, and then the public

554
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: is really hard to get to. UM. So I I

555
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: doubt if anybody else tried to get in there. Um.

556
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: And I what sucks is that because of just the

557
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: time constraints, I only had one day in this area.

558
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: Um that that first night I checked out the piece

559
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: of public, but I had one day to hit this

560
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: little section and then I had to leave Brighton earlier

561
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: then the next morning cats a flight home, so I

562
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: didn't even get to help cover it. There's a whole

563
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: another section across the river that I didn't get to

564
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: go to, and that's where me and Josh found most

565
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: of our sheds last year. Last year, So there was

566
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: probably as many or more sheds sitting over on this

567
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: other side that that I was gonna sit there. So

568
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: in the back of my mind it's like a little

569
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: sad realization that there could be some just giant bone

570
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: over there that's untouched. Because I talked to both this

571
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: landowner and then another rancher, both said that they seemed

572
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: to think that the bigger deer are on the other

573
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: side of the river, and that kind of seemed to

574
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: be the case because last year we found bigger sheds

575
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: on that other side, and this year, since I didn't

576
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: go to the other side, I didn't find as many

577
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: of the bigger sheds. And then this neighbor also showed

578
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: me some trail camera pictures that he had down that

579
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: way of some much bigger deer than I've ever seen

580
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: out there. Um Like, I don't know, high one forties,

581
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: one fifty class and that's good for Montana, right, Yeah,

582
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: that's really good for Montana. Um Like, out there you

583
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: see like tons of like one thirty bucks, and then

584
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: I think, you know, there are forties, fifties, sixties, etcetera.

585
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: But but I haven't seen anything over one probably, But

586
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: it's just it's just so much fun because you see,

587
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: at least for a guy like me in Michigan who

588
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: sees like one buck over a year, to see five

589
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: of them in one night is just an absolute blast. Um.

590
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: So that's why I really like it out there. But

591
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: I feel like this year, uh, if I still hunt

592
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: this area, which for a while I was thinking, yeah,

593
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, I'll try somewhere new, just for a new challenge,

594
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: but this reinvigorated me to hunt there again. Um. But

595
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: I think I want to be more picky. So I

596
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: think this year I want to try hunting it and

597
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: like just try to find one of these really big

598
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: old ones. Um because the buck I killed last year

599
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: was a nice one, definitely nice buck, but they were

600
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: definitely older deer there. Um. I think I think I

601
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: want to like be okay with like Okay, I'm not

602
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: gonna try to get it done in four days and

603
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 1: move on to the next state. I'm gonna plan on

604
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: like seven days here and just like see what's out here,

605
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: really see what's out here. Maybe run cameras. I've never

606
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: run cameras out there before. UM, take it to the

607
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: next level. Maybe try to hunt the other side of

608
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: the river, which I've never done, um because I was

609
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: worried about getting too close to the main betting rors

610
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: over there. But maybe you can get away with it

611
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: if I get smart about it. Um, So I'm intrigued

612
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: by the by the options, and uh, let me let

613
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: me ask you this question because it's just popped in

614
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: my head. I've never hunted white tails in multiple states before, right,

615
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: so in Iowa, I'm selective, you know. I like last

616
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: year I shot my biggest buck ever, right so from

617
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: an angler perspective, not from an age class. But when

618
00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: you're hunting multiple states, right and let's say, ob Slee,

619
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: your standards for I will may be different than Michigan

620
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: or Illinois or Ohio or in Montana or whatever you

621
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: just talked about. You know, maybe going for a different

622
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: higher class or guess you know, whether that's antlers or

623
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: age class in Montana. Have you come to the point

624
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: now where you feel okay with eating your tag in

625
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: a state like Montana that does have so many deer

626
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: and an average you're a good representation of that Montana.

627
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: I guess age class and or antler size? Is that class? Buck? Yeah?

628
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: I think I think that. Um. You know, the goal

629
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: is definitely changed from me each year as I get

630
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, like the first year I went out there

631
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: in Montana, it was like, I just want to see

632
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: if I can kill Uh, a three and a half

633
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: year old like representative buck on public land out here.

634
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: And I was able to do that in day three

635
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: and like when the first opportunity came, I took it.

636
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: And then and the next year I did try to

637
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: be a little bit pickier um and didn't end up

638
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: seeing anything that really was what I was looking for,

639
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: so passed on some decent bucks. And then last year

640
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: I kind of had I kind of went back to

641
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: the the year one goal, which is our let's just

642
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: get let's just get a nice buck out here, had

643
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: that experience, try this because this is um a spot

644
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: I hadn't killed one. Yeah, I was able to do

645
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: that last year. But now I've got two years in

646
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: this area. I have two years with the shed hunting

647
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: and scouting. I know a lot about I know the area,

648
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: I know what I know what's out there. Like at

649
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: first you didn't really know what was out there. So

650
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: he kind of thought, Okay, it looks like a three

651
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: or four year old you know one twenties uh, you

652
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: know one ties one thirty tip buck, Like that's probably

653
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: like a good Like that's one of the good bucks here.

654
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: That's a great buck to take. It would think used

655
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: to be representative of an upper age class buck. But

656
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: now that I know that there actually are older and

657
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: bigger deer there, I kind of like the idea of

658
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: just like seeing what could happen. So yeah, I would

659
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: be okay eating my tag um because I kind of

660
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: like the idea of just the mystery of what I

661
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: might be able to possibly find. And I'd like to

662
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: hunt seven days straight there and see it and try

663
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: it out and figure some stuff out. I think, I

664
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: like I Originally the first year I hunted there, I thought, well,

665
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: I might be good with like one or two or

666
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: three hunts in this little spot, and then I'll probably

667
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: be blown out. Now I know because of some access

668
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: with some ways I can get in and out that

669
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: I can hunt it more than that without spooking the deer.

670
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: So I'm just figuring stuff out a little bit more

671
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: each year. So now between that and now also having

672
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: seen some of the antlers that we picked up that

673
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: tell me that there are actually some much bigger, older

674
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: deer out here, and then you know, seeing pictures of

675
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: pictures from the neighbor that also give me indicators like hey,

676
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: there's this whole other class that you haven't seen yet. Um,

677
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: and I'd like to kind of push myself to try

678
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: to find that deer. That's just like a fun next

679
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: step for me as I'm trying to you know, we

680
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: always talk about how like we'd like that next challenge,

681
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: and so I really enjoyed the challenge of figuring out

682
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: a new property, which I did for a couple of years.

683
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: Now I'm thinking if I'm going to hunt the same

684
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: little section again, I want to push myself in a

685
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: different way, and I think that different way will be

686
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: trying to find that next step up the ladder as

687
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: far as challenge and and the deer I'm after. So

688
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm gonna try. Um, And I

689
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: think it's possible, it'd be it'd be fun to give

690
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: it a shot. So that's from my head that at

691
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: least we'll see, Yeah, that's awesome, due but yeah, I mean,

692
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: my my goals are definitely different for each state. You know,

693
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: we've we've talked, you know, my Michigan goals for for

694
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: a long time. We're like to kill three and a

695
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: half year old here in Michigan because those are really

696
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: hard to come by in spots I hunt. And then

697
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: the last couple of years is like, Okay, you know

698
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: you've killed some of those. Let's try to kill a

699
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: four year old or older. And that's still where I'm

700
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: at here. But then when I hunted Ohio different, when

701
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: I hunted an Iowa different, Montana was different, and I

702
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: was changing. Um, you know, I think when you come

703
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: and hunt in Michigan, I think it'll be the same way.

704
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: It'll have one set of goals and that might change

705
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: one two hunt in Michigan three or four years in

706
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: a row. Right now, Hey, I think I think we're

707
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: gonna have to look back at that verbal contract because

708
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: when I get when I quit, right when I quit

709
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: my job, I'll come in hunt Michigan. But I got

710
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: laid off, So you're really we're gonna have to get

711
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: some lawyers involved here. I feel, oh my god, you're

712
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: getting tangled loving the semantics. Then right right, well here,

713
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: let me let me tell you. Let me just ask

714
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: you this, Mark, and I have to play that card

715
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: because I'm going on at ELK hunt this year. I'm

716
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: going on like like if all things go right, like

717
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: there is a chance I don't go on any honest

718
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: state hunts, depending on uh, you know, the finance and

719
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: the finances now, right, But there's a chance I go

720
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: on a elk hunt. There's a chance I go on

721
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: a mule deer hunt, which is all the only way

722
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: I'm not going on these hunts is fine. The finances, right,

723
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 1: I got approval from the wife, right, It's it's game

724
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: on for both. And adding a another trip at this

725
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: point would be I think detrimental to my relationship. But

726
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: let's talk about one thing. Let's talk about integrity. Let's

727
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: talk about let's talk about it. Well, just know that

728
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: the offers open maybe next year. Um, when you got

729
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: things lined up, we can try to work on trying

730
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: to find you a spot out here to hunt. And uh,

731
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: it's not you know, it's not Iowa. But you're gonna

732
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: have a good time. Still, I don't care like obviously

733
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: Iowa has a special place in my heart, but I

734
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: don't care like I don't care about antlers, right, So

735
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm all about the experience. So, yes, I live

736
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: in Iowa. I have the luxury of potentially shooting a

737
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: deer with big ant or it's an older age class.

738
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: But if I walked into a Michigan public, a piece

739
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: of public on Michigan and had the opportunity at you know,

740
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: hunter and ten five inch deer that I that gave

741
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 1: me a perfect shot at during a running gun. That's

742
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: an awesome experience as well, right, and uh, I think

743
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: I would you know, I would you know? I don't know.

744
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: I find the experience of everything more than the end result, right,

745
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: which is you know, potentially hanging in an awesome deer

746
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: on your wall or whatever. I'm glad that that's where

747
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: your head's at because that is a very important quality

748
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: to foster. As a Michigan deer hunter had told be

749
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: very focused on the experience because the big ones will

750
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: occasionally they show up, it's not too often, so I

751
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta just enjoy the grind. That's uh, that's

752
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: what's all about in Michigan. So, speaking of experiences, I

753
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: want to talk about turkey hunting because I saw that

754
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: you had a hell of experience this past weekend too.

755
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, So I'm gonna do a little bit of

756
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: self promotion here, all right, and well, and that is

757
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: so we I ended up bringing a camera guy along

758
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: with me. I know you took a very uh seductive

759
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: shot of you fondling a beer bottle in your mouth,

760
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: and that's this picture, and I really want to do

761
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: some photoshop work on it. I can send him back

762
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: to but that's neither here nor there. Continue get your

763
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: mind out of the gut. Or do you think I'm

764
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: the dirty one. You're You're just as dirty dude, professional photographer.

765
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: You took him out there with you? Why did you

766
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: do that? So anyway, like I'm making this short film, right,

767
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a film. Uh well, well he is, actually,

768
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: but I hired him to do it, and uh, it's

769
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: gonna It's about this tradition that we have every year.

770
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: Right April is Dirty Hunting season, but it's kind of

771
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: more than that because it's basically a family gathering. So yeah,

772
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 1: we do go turkey hunting, but we also play cards,

773
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: we eat a lot of food, we go fishing, we

774
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: play outside when the weather's nights, and it's just it's

775
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 1: just an awesome tradition that we've started. And as every year,

776
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: I feel like more and more people are coming over

777
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: to my mom's house, mom and stepdad's house, and it's

778
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: become something bigger than just turkey hunting. It's like it's

779
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: a tradition now, and that's what this short film is

780
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: gonna showcase and uh uh, it's gonna be coming out.

781
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't know when, probably May, June sometime or whatever.

782
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: But it's it's like a representation of what you know,

783
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: Like hunting is awesome, killing a turkey or a deer

784
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: is awesome, but there's more to it than just that, right,

785
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: And I wanted to have this film showcase that. But

786
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm telling you the first day Friday, it was a

787
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 1: little windy and uh, we went out to us spot

788
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: that usually produce and I'm telling you, man, and this

789
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: is you and your wife meeting my wife and a

790
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: camera guy. Uh, we get up there the sun, you know,

791
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: we this was the first year we didn't use a blind.

792
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: Was straight off the ground, just for better you know,

793
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: filming purposes get a lot more because it's difficult to

794
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: hunting a blind, I feel like or filming a blind,

795
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: I feel like you'll lose something. And so anyway, we

796
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: walking through the cattle pasture. The first thing we noticed

797
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: there's no cattle in it, and I'm like, okay, this

798
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: is awesome because typically the turkeys, if there's cattle in

799
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: that pasture, they are deeper in the timber. Right, Well,

800
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: this time, there was no there was no cattle, right,

801
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: So okay, awesome. We walked through the pasture. We get

802
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: to this fence line. It's starting to get to the

803
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: point where, you know, I look at my wife. I say, hey,

804
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna start gobbling. In about five ten minutes, we hear,

805
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: you know, five ten minutes later, we hear a couple

806
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: of gobbles in the distance. I pulled out the slate,

807
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: call you know, stuff gobble like next ridge over and

808
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: it was like a real small like a smaller ridge

809
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: to where they could easily pitch down onto this ridge,

810
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: the ridge that we were at, and uh, you know,

811
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: he gobbled three times. I'm like, okay, here's where we're

812
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: gonna set up. Set up. I get down and uh,

813
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, the camera guys behind me. I got my

814
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: wife sitting to the left of me. I'm sitting next

815
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: to her. Put the decoys out. You know, we're situated.

816
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: He gobbles, uh two more times, and I'm like, okay,

817
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: this sucks. We gotta move because there's all this all

818
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: this thickness, and I think he was gonna come to

819
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: the extreme left of us. That's like he's still on

820
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: the tree at this point, so I don't know, but

821
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: we had we had a quick move. So I loft

822
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: the decoys where they were at. I moved us all

823
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, twenty yards to the left, a little

824
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: bit more to where the timber was a little bit,

825
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: opened up, and sat down. You know. I started hitting

826
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: the slate decoy again and uh, this the slate call again. Yeah,

827
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: it's heavy. It's a heavy decoy. Hit the slate call

828
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: again and uh, the next gobbilie did. He was on

829
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 1: the ground. And then I started really making the slate

830
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: call go quiet again and h his head popped up.

831
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: He walked to one of the the yards. My wife shot him.

832
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: I mean it was the one of the easiest fastest

833
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: turkey kills I've ever been a part of. Like I've

834
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: killed some birds that have flown in and they've strutted

835
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: out and then they worked their way in. But this

836
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: bird flew down, walked up and got shot. I mean,

837
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: it would happen so fast. I think I think she

838
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: killed this bird at six ten or is this her?

839
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: This is her second bird, right, No, this just like

840
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: her fifth six geez up. Because she started turkey hunting

841
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eleven. That was the first year.

842
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: The first two years were just horrible weather. Then in

843
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen that was her first ever turkey,

844
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: and then she went on her role for like three years.

845
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: She killed you know, three turkeys in a row. Then

846
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: the one year she was oh man, nine months pregnant

847
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: in the blind, it didn't work out. The next year

848
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: was bad weather again and she had something she had

849
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: to do, so I got my bird, and then she

850
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: killed another one last year, and another and then one

851
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: this year. So yeah, I think she's sitting at five

852
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: five birds since two thousand and eleven, so that's a

853
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good success rate. Yeah, that's pretty good.

854
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: So what did she think about? She had a good

855
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: time or was it too fast? No, she loves it.

856
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: She loves the fact that we can go, we can

857
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: slam a turkey, and then we can go to this

858
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: local diner, we can drink coffee and eat breakfast, and

859
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: then she doesn't have to get up early anymore for

860
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: the trip. And then it's just like me, right. And

861
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: then later that afternoon, my stepdad killed one on the

862
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: farm he was hunting, and uh, and then and then

863
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: it's just really relaxing from there, because yes, I wanted

864
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: to kill a turkey on camera for you know, for

865
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 1: the film, but I don't care like when it comes

866
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: to turkey, and I think me and you have discussed

867
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: this before. It's just it's secondary hunting, right, I don't

868
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: care pressure pressure exactly. I want to be successful, but

869
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: if it doesn't, if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.

870
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: And so we went out the rest of the day.

871
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 1: Nothing not one gobble on the entire farm. The rest

872
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: of the day. Um. Day two was more of the same.

873
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: Heard some gobbles initially off the roost, and it was

874
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: one of those days where it was brilliant out right,

875
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: no cloud and typically that gets the you know, get

876
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: some hammering throughout the you know, throughout this valley that

877
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: I hunt. And man, we didn't hear. We didn't hear

878
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: what we thought I was gonna hear. And uh the

879
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: then the entire day just bouncing around left and right,

880
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: bouncing around and uh, no gobbles, no encounters. And then

881
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: it was Sunday morning. We ended up going back to

882
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: one of the original spots and uh, all you know,

883
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,479
Speaker 1: got these birds goblin really close into the Uh these

884
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: birds goblin really close. We got set up and they

885
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: were roosted on another farm, but typically they worked their

886
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: way up into the property that I could that, you know,

887
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: I can hunt, and uh man, this tom pops up

888
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: his tail fan. His tail fan pops up, and I'm like,

889
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: that's on. He's coming. He's gonna come towards us. And

890
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: he's at about sixty yards. And I hunt with a

891
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: twenty gauge, so I'm not gonna take a real long shot.

892
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: I think my max would probably be thirty five forty

893
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: yards with a twenty gauge, no choke on it, nothing right,

894
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: just a regular gun. And uh uh then I see

895
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: a handhead pop up, and then I see another hand

896
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: head pop up, and he lost interest in me really fast,

897
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: and uh he was, you know, held up at about

898
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: sixty yards. I kept calling, and it felt like the

899
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: more I kept calling it annoyed the hints, and they're

900
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: just like, oh God, let's get out of here, you know.

901
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 1: And they left and the tom went with him, and then, uh,

902
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, we bounced around a little bit more and

903
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: we're walking up this fence line and there was this

904
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: strutter pops up right and right in the screen pasture,

905
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: right on this fence line. We were walking up and uh,

906
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: so I instantly dropped to the ground, crawled over to

907
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: this tree, put the decoys out, crawled back to the

908
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: fence line, and you can just barely see his fan.

909
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: And I started calling and he starts gobbling, and uh again,

910
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: I think he was with a hen. And as I

911
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: started to call, he worked his way in and then

912
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: he was gobblin goblin, responding to everything. And then he

913
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: just worked his way away, which tells me he was

914
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: with hands. Right. Um made a couple more attempts and

915
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: that's all she wrote. Dude, So I ended up, you know,

916
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: I ended up not harvesting a turkey this turkey season.

917
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: And but I'll tell you what it was fun, man.

918
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: I love I love those days just where they're you know,

919
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: where you're in the action, they're talking, they're coming your way,

920
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: like you were mentioning off off the roofs. There's nothing

921
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: I like better than hearing that first bird off the

922
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: roofs in the morning. Um, now, did you get to

923
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: hear your favorite sound in the turkey? Was? Because you

924
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: told us in the past years what your favorite sound

925
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: is in the turkey? Was that favorite moment? Um? Well,

926
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: you will you do Hey, do you know what I'm

927
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: talking about? And p will you demonstrate again my favorite

928
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: moment in the Turkey woods? Yeah? You Every year I

929
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: asked you bring this up, your favorite thing that happens. Well,

930
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 1: it's a sound, it's not a come on really, Oh

931
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: my god, I'm I'm dropping the ball here. I can't

932
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: do it nearly as good as you, but I'll give you.

933
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: Like the first sound I got it, Yeah, it was

934
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: too windy. We couldn't. We didn't hear it, you know.

935
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: So and that Tom, only that Tom that came up

936
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: from Uh for my wife to shoot. He just came in.

937
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: He came in to a full strut one time and

938
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: then came out of it, and it was windy, so

939
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: we we couldn't hear it, right, Um. And then the

940
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: other times, you know, throughout the weekend, we didn't get

941
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: close enough to hear it. But yeah, I do love

942
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: that sound. I do love it. Let me hear your

943
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: But there you go. There's probably some really serious turkey

944
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: hunters out there listening to this going. That guy is

945
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: such a dip shit. So when I was in Montana

946
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: last week, um, there was a turkey calling contest at

947
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: a bar one night, that I went to, and that

948
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: was pretty funds to hear everyone do their different things.

949
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: Each contestant had to do a yelp, they had to

950
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: do per they had to do like a series of

951
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: different calls, um like kind of like demonstrate a whole

952
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: run of how they would try to call in a

953
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: hen and then they had to do a gobble yeah. Um,

954
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: and there were some there was a couple people were

955
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: really good, and then there's a few folks that it

956
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: made me feel okay about my calling. Um, I can't

957
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 1: use the mouth call period, you know. I couldn't until

958
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: last year. And last year I was like, you know what,

959
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: I just need to figure it out, um, and I'm

960
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: so glad I did. I would recommend trying to trying

961
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: to figure because it it is way I think the

962
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: sounds you can make are way nicer. And then the

963
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: biggest thing is just like if you're hunting solo, you know,

964
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: it was I always it was always a challenge trying

965
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: to work the slate call and then hold the gun.

966
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you just want to make a couple

967
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: of final calls, but you can't do that while you're

968
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: in position to get a shot, because if you move

969
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: you're busted. So the fact that I can make those

970
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: final couple of calls while you know, holding the gun

971
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: and not moving that, uh, that makes a big difference.

972
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: So you should pick us pick up a diaphragm, give

973
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: a shot. Yeah, I have one. I just don't use it.

974
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. You're right, I need to

975
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: try because last year I was uh trying to call

976
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: a turkey and and it it came in, it read

977
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: the script and then I set my I guess what

978
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: they call it, the striker down and it slid off

979
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: my pants and it landed on the slate and it

980
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: made like a click noise, and then the tom went

981
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 1: and then he with the other direction. You yeah, those

982
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: little things. It's funny, you know, when it comes to

983
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: that diaphragm. I remember I had one and I kept trying.

984
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: It just sounded like crap and I couldn't get it

985
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: to sound right. Um. But then like every couple of years,

986
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: I buy a couple more and like fill with them

987
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: and just never could quite get it. But last year,

988
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: I just remember I had a bunch of different versions

989
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: of last year. I was like, I'll just keep on

990
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: trying all these different ones until I find one that

991
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: sounds good and then just kept messing with the positioning

992
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: of it in my mouth. Um, do you use Do

993
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: you use a diaphragm call when you're el cutting who?

994
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 1: You figured out how to use one of those? Yet?

995
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't. I personally don't use a diaphragm.

996
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: I use handheld Okay, So with any of these diaphragm

997
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: mouth calls, it's like it's really hard to figure it

998
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: out by taking like what someone tells you, Like they'll

999
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: tell you how to do it, or you'll watch a video,

1000
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: and it's like it's really hard to translate that to

1001
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: what it actually feels like in your mouth, until like

1002
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: you just mistakenly happened upon the right feeling, and then

1003
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: once you get the right feeling one time, then it's like,

1004
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's easy, now I get it. But it's

1005
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: just something you kind of have to stumble upon yourself.

1006
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: So the way I finally did it is I just

1007
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: had him in my truck and whenever I was driving,

1008
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: I would just toss one in my mouth and just

1009
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 1: like screw with it and try to make different noises

1010
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: and move it in different and forward and backward of

1011
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: my mouth in different positions until it finally like clicked,

1012
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: and that would be kind of my best advice is

1013
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: to just try that. Like I think most of us

1014
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 1: know what it's supposed to sound like, if you've heard turkeys,

1015
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 1: if you've watched the turkey and calling videos, that kind

1016
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: of stuff. It's just a matter of figuring out the

1017
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: right way to have it in your mouth and to

1018
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: to make that motion and draw the air through your

1019
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: mouth to figure it out. So just screw it, and

1020
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: I think you'll figure it out eventually. But it's it's

1021
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: cool once you can do it, sounds good. I need

1022
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: to I just needed straight up practice. Yeah, it's uh,

1023
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: it's it takes a little bit of practice, but it's

1024
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: fun once you do. We're Um. Last weekend, I had

1025
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: my family down for dinner. Um came down the business

1026
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: for the day and we're sitting on the deck behind

1027
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: my house and there's a bunch of woods and stuff

1028
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: behind how and we're sitting there eating hamburgers and stuff,

1029
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, I heard of Gobel

1030
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: was the first gobble I heard the spring all spring,

1031
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 1: and I was like so pumped. It's like, oh my gosh,

1032
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: there's a gobbler up there, like, hold on one second, guy.

1033
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: So while everybody's eating dinner, I ran into the house,

1034
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: grabbed my call, ran back out to the deck and

1035
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: started trying to yelp it in. Um didn't bring the burden,

1036
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: but it got me really excited. So our season opens

1037
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: one week from today, so I'm excited to get out there.

1038
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm also gonna hunt um South Dakota this

1039
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: year for turkeys. Yeah. Um, I got invited on a

1040
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: group hunt with um Ben O'Brien from the Hunting Collective

1041
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 1: and Spencer you know, Spencer Spencer new Heart for media there. Um.

1042
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 1: And then it sounds like I don't know if it's

1043
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: all official, but from what I hear, supposedly Randy Newburgh

1044
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: is coming down with his group and the folks in

1045
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: the hunting public and suppose it was gonna be like

1046
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 1: a seventeen person group out there all turkey hunting. Wow.

1047
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, I kind of just putting that on. I

1048
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: don't know who's organized kind of expenses organizing it. And

1049
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: Sam sohold you know Sam, yeah him yea. So Sam's

1050
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: gonna be out there too. So those are the two

1051
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: residents South Dakota's so they're at least helping organize like

1052
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: where we should camp and the general areas that we

1053
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: should explore. I guess, um, So I just got kind

1054
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: of I just got pulled in and Ben's doing like

1055
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: a turkey tour, going to like a bunch of different states.

1056
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna come along with him for a few

1057
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: days in South Dakota and maybe Nebraska and then do

1058
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: some meetings in Montana. So that'll be, Yeah, that'll be fun,

1059
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: little extra turkey hunting for me. So hey, if you

1060
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: see any big mule there or well big body mule there,

1061
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: you let me know where the exact location that you

1062
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: see them at, and then I'm gonna go like scout

1063
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna try to talk my wife into a

1064
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: two or three day summer you know, maybe early mid lay,

1065
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: I don't know when. Summer tour tour, yavacation trip little yeah,

1066
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: MANI vacation where it's just me and her. We go

1067
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: out like, hey, baby, I got I got this awesome idea.

1068
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna go out to South Dakota and I'm gonna

1069
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: scout some mule deer and you can come with me.

1070
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: And She'll be like that's dumb. I don't want to

1071
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: do that. Bad Lands National Park is right there. That

1072
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: is beautiful. And then the Black Hills. You can see

1073
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore. That's like a nicon. You gotta go see

1074
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: Rount Rushmore so you can say this is like a

1075
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: sightseeing trip. Black Hills are beautiful. Um, you gotta do

1076
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: oh gosh, the Needles Highway or the Needles Scenic Byway

1077
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: or something like that. It's like a scenic drive through

1078
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: the Black Hills. Um. I actually haven't done it, but

1079
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: several of my friends and my wife did it. And

1080
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: there's mountain goats. I think there's big horn sheep um,

1081
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: beautiful terrain, a lot of critters that would be a

1082
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: good little spy. Have to go check out with her too.

1083
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 1: And then uh, That's tower isn't too far past that right,

1084
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: that's not too far away yet, it's a little further west.

1085
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: I would get us like an hour hour and a

1086
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: half west maybe. Um, And yeah, that looks amazing too,

1087
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: So you could you could hit all that stuff right

1088
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: in that little area. That's absolute quality family trip. Have

1089
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 1: you ever been to Death Valley? Uh? No, I'm not.

1090
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think that's a quality family trip.

1091
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: Pretty hot, pretty hot, and desolate? Um, why do you

1092
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: want to go there? I don't know. It's uh, it's

1093
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: a it's a landmark in the United States that I

1094
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: want to visit. Yeah it is. It is hot, and

1095
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: it is a landmark, so I'll give you that. Um.

1096
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it'd be a good idea if

1097
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: you to try to get some scouting time out there,

1098
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: and if I do see any good sign or anything,

1099
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: because we will be all in that area, then I

1100
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: know you want to go. Um. I'll be keeping you posted,

1101
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: sweet buddy, Sweet Um, can I run my deer hunting

1102
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: methodology by you? Yeah? I want to hear this because

1103
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: it sounds like a crossword puzzle, like you're gonna say

1104
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: something and I'm gonna have to figure out something else,

1105
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: like a little clue that I need to find another

1106
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: word for. Or it could just be really simple and

1107
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: you're just trying to sound smarter than what you really are.

1108
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: So that's typically all I've ever done is just trying

1109
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 1: to sound smarter than I than I really am. So yeah,

1110
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing here. No, but I was, I

1111
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: don't know when I like coined this idea in my head, um,

1112
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to like flesh it out into like

1113
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: a a deer hunting I'm calling I'm calling a methodology.

1114
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a methodology or a theory

1115
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: or like a strategy, um, but a way to kind

1116
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: of simplify the decision making process around choosing when and

1117
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: where to hunt. And so I've been kind of doing

1118
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: this in my head and I started to like realize

1119
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a thing. And I tried to

1120
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: explain this to Cody to Quisto like a month or

1121
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: two ago, and I don't know if I made any sense.

1122
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: So I wanted to like rethink it, explain to you

1123
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: and try to get your thoughts, like does this make sense?

1124
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: Is this a way to help people understand this stuff?

1125
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: And this is this a good way to think about stuff? Um?

1126
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: Because if so, it might be like a good way

1127
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: especially for like new folks that are trying to get

1128
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: into deer hunting, especially if they're trying to kill mature bucks,

1129
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: if that's like the step that they're at now, this

1130
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: might be a helpful way to approach it. So I'll

1131
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: explain this to you and then I want your feedback, Okay,

1132
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: And This is something that I started kind of doing

1133
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: this past year. I started like more and more the

1134
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: way hunted was this assumption to truth methodology. So basically

1135
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: what I do before each hunt now is I have

1136
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: all the information that we've collected, you know, through scouting,

1137
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: through trial cameras, through past years observation, like, there's all

1138
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: these different data points, right, and all that data will

1139
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: lead you towards what you think is maybe like the

1140
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: most likely scenario to play out. Let's say it's an

1141
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: evening hunt. We'll have a most likely scenario, so we'll

1142
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: make an assumption. So the assumption, let's say, on this

1143
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: hypothetical night is given with this one direction, given this

1144
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: October one, and there's a good food source here, and

1145
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: I know there's a good betting area there, and um,

1146
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: you know I know this thing and that thing. I'm

1147
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: going to assume that the deer, based on this previous knowledge,

1148
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: is better in Spot X, and I'm gonna assume that

1149
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: he's going to go to Spot why. And I'm gonna

1150
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: assume this specific path I think he's gonna take. Now,

1151
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: in past years, I would think through that as like

1152
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,919
Speaker 1: one possibility, and then I would think, well, then there's

1153
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: this other possibility he might do this other thing, and

1154
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 1: then there's another possibility he might do this third different thing,

1155
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: And then you would like try to set up in

1156
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: some spot or you would head in kind of hoping

1157
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: that one of these things would work. Um. But what

1158
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: I found is that when you go with all these

1159
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: different hypotheticals, you don't set up as well, and you

1160
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: don't think through things as well, and you don't execute

1161
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: as well as if you were to believe all those

1162
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: things were truth. So let me rephrase the scenario then

1163
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: in this other way. So instead of being assumption, you

1164
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: believe that, you change that assumption to a truth. So

1165
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: now you say, okay, if I thought the very most

1166
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: likely scenario was that the buck was bed in spot X,

1167
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,439
Speaker 1: and then he's gonna go to Spot why, I'm gonna

1168
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: flip the script of my mind. And now let's just

1169
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: say it's true he is bad at in spot X,

1170
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: he is going to Spot why. If I'm going to

1171
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,479
Speaker 1: assume that to be true, what am I gonna do? So?

1172
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: If I know that's true, I have to make sure

1173
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: that I access in this very specific way, because if

1174
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: my wind blows in that one very specific place I'm

1175
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: screwed up. I'm gonna set up just this very particular

1176
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: perfect spot for that one single scenario because I know

1177
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: he's X, and I know he's going to Why I'm

1178
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: going to have to be perfectly crawling up in my

1179
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: tree stand because I know he's here. I know he's

1180
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: an X, I know he's only eight yards away. If

1181
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: I screw up, if I make one noise, I'm gonna

1182
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: spook that dear. If I was just thinking, well, that's

1183
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: one of the possibilities that he might be there, maybe

1184
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: I would have gotten little bit lax with my access route,

1185
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: or maybe I would have been like, well, I can

1186
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: screw up the tree and if I make a little noise,

1187
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: that's not that big of a deal, because yeah, he

1188
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: might be in Spot X, but he might also be

1189
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: in spot why, he might also be in spots he

1190
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: might be blah blah blah. The point of this all

1191
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: being that when I've tried to set up a hunting

1192
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: scenario with a whole bunch of different possibilities in mind,

1193
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: I set up in a spot where it's not perfect

1194
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: or I'm not doing the perfect thing for any one

1195
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: of those possibilities. It's just kind of like an okay,

1196
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: set up for all these different possibilities, but when I

1197
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: go to switch my assumption to a truth, I set

1198
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: up for that one possibility. But I'm perfectly set up

1199
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: for that one possibility. And I think that when you're

1200
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: targeting mature bucks, you are going to be more likely

1201
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: to have success when you're set up for the one

1202
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: possibility perfectly, because when those few opportunities come about to

1203
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: get a shot of a chure buck, you kind of

1204
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: needed all to be perfect for that thing to work out.

1205
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: So I started operating this past season where before the

1206
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: hunt would go out, before the day, I would think, okay,

1207
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: Like for example, when I was hunting Frank, this is

1208
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: what I started doing. There was those days in early

1209
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: November where I'd seen him the night before with the

1210
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: dough and I thought, well, he might be still with

1211
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: that dough in this thicket. Um. In past years, I

1212
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: would have thought, well, he might be there, but he

1213
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: could be anywhere. And it's a real pain in the

1214
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: butt to to not go through that little thicket because

1215
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: that's usually what I have to walk by to get

1216
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: to most of my other spots. UM. So I mean,

1217
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: the odds are he could be anywhere. So in the

1218
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: past I might have said it, I'm just gonna get

1219
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: to my stand fast, only go past that thicket, because yeah,

1220
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: he might be there, but there's an eighty percent chance

1221
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: he could be somewhere else. I just gotta get to

1222
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: my stand fast, get up, and then whatever happened happens.

1223
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: But this year I said, no, I'm gonna say that

1224
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: that's the truth. He is in that thicket. That's the

1225
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: most likely option. Even though maybe it's twenty chance he's there,

1226
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: it's still the very most likely option. I'm gonna assume

1227
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: he's in there. And since I know he's in there

1228
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: right now at five in the morning, I have to

1229
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: go the extra mile around the entire property to access

1230
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: the other way because I know I'll spook him if

1231
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: I go through the easy way. And that's what I

1232
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: did all this season was this, take the assumption, change

1233
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: it to a truth, and then plan everything around that truth. Now, yeah,

1234
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: it's not gonna end up being true most of the time,

1235
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 1: but that one or two times a year when your

1236
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: assumption is truth and you plan perfectly for that truth,

1237
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: it's perfect and you get the kill. That is like

1238
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: this theory bons around my head I don't know if

1239
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm articulating it clearly or not, But what are your

1240
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: thoughts about everything that just explained there? I'm following you

1241
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: first and foremost, I'm following you. However, I think that

1242
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: is it's a good early season methodology, But when you

1243
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: come into the rut and you throw chaos into everything,

1244
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that would necessarily work as well. This

1245
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: is just me, you know, in my opinion, but from

1246
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: an early season, pre rut type of UM, I don't

1247
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: know methodology. I really do think that, uh, that that

1248
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: would work. I mean, you know, if you if if

1249
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: you're confident in your decision making and your confident in

1250
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: your access and your confident in a Buck's core range,

1251
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: I feel that that would work and and and and

1252
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: I think it can be applied to the rut too,

1253
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: because because obviously, like the one single thing you believe

1254
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: isn't going to be the truth all the time, but

1255
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: it's more so like you have to you have to

1256
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: look at all your data and you have to pick

1257
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: the highest possibility because if you if you it's just

1258
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: like a job or or just like a hobby, like

1259
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: if you try to do anything, if you try to

1260
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: do like fifteen different things, you're not gonna do any

1261
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: one of them really good. So you can be a

1262
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: jack of all trades and be like decent at a

1263
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff, or you can decide, I'm going to

1264
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: focus on this one thing and be the best damn

1265
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: person in the world at him. And I think that

1266
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: if you start focusing on like being the best damn

1267
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: thing at this one specific option during a hunt, and

1268
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: it could even be November one, obviously stuff is not

1269
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: going to go exactly that way. But you've got to say,

1270
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: what's the most likely scenario, and so let's say during

1271
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: the rut it is I believe the most likely scenario

1272
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: is that there's gonna be a buck coming in to

1273
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: check this deal betting area. And I think the very

1274
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: most likely thing is that he will come down wind

1275
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: of this specific betting area. So that's gonna be my truth,

1276
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna set up perfectly for that one scenario. Um.

1277
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 1: I think that puts you in a better position to

1278
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: get shots. And and of course there's other things that

1279
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: dear that these deer might do. It might not work

1280
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: up just the way you imagine it. But my theory

1281
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: is just that if you set up and think about

1282
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: those things like it just seems like if you go

1283
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: into it thinking, well, he might be here, he might not,

1284
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: you start hedging and you start getting lazy, and you

1285
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: start doing things because you think like, well, yeah, my

1286
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: my wind might blow into this area for a little bit,

1287
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: but I don't know if he's there, might be, might not,

1288
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, But if you go into it

1289
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: thinking I'm going to assume it to be truth that

1290
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: he is there, so I cannot screw this ship up,

1291
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: I think that at least at least for me as

1292
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: this is like it's really helped me. I think I

1293
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 1: think the whole point of this is this something that

1294
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: I've started doing in my head. It's helped me to

1295
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: like to do what we always talk about, which is

1296
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: like pay attention to the details, don't cut corners, focus

1297
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: on those small little things. When I start changing these

1298
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: maybes to like it's true in my mind and saying, hey,

1299
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: you gotta operate as if he's right there. You've got

1300
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 1: to operate as if this is gonna happen, just like

1301
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: that scenario you're you're hoping happens. You gotta think it's

1302
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen, and so do everything just right for

1303
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: that scenario. I think by doing that, it's like kind

1304
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: of flipped another switch for me. Um, and so that

1305
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: that this is this new thing going on in my head.

1306
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear, curious to hear if that makes

1307
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: sense to other people too, um, And it might be

1308
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: something that I'll continue to like talk about through this

1309
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: year as I apply it, and maybe we'll see maybe

1310
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: now that I'm starting to like articulate it, like put

1311
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: this thing. It used to be just what I was doing,

1312
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: but now I'm trying to like explain it, and maybe

1313
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: as we go into this season, maybe as we try

1314
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: to like look at different hunts throughout the year, I

1315
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,719
Speaker 1: will talk through this and it might not make sense

1316
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: maybe as we get into the rut this coming year

1317
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I'm kind of curious. I'm kind of

1318
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: just curious to see what how this actually works, if

1319
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: it's something that you know, other people could replicate, if

1320
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: it's useful to think about. I think the reason why

1321
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: the only reason why I pick a bright up. I'm

1322
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: sure you get this too. We get tons of questions

1323
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: from people, like tons of questions, like giving you a

1324
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: scenario and then asking you what should I do? Where

1325
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: should I hunt? Or how should I get into this spot?

1326
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: Or you know, what should I do in this scenario?

1327
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 1: Everyone's always wondering what should I do in this scenario?

1328
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: What should I do this Saturday when I go in

1329
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: for this hunt? And so like, how can we help

1330
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: simplify that decision making process or or help like, UM

1331
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: put a framework around. There's there's no like decision making

1332
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: framework out there for people to help understand how to

1333
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 1: make these decisions. UM. It's always kind of like, well,

1334
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: think about all these different things and trust your gut

1335
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: and then go do something. UM. I'm just kind of

1336
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: curious to myself if there's a way we could like

1337
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: put a set of steps in place to help new

1338
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: people do it, and this might be this might be

1339
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 1: a way to start doing this. So I don't know,

1340
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: I might be I might be sparking up crazy tree here,

1341
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: but well, if you got time, I have been thinking

1342
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,839
Speaker 1: about somewhat of a methodology. It's a little bit different

1343
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: through this year as well. Okay, let's hear do you

1344
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: have a long, fancy name for uh It's called the

1345
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: Dan Johnson look at dots on a map and play

1346
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: connect the dots method to killing big deer that has

1347
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: a certain ring to it as well. Now I just

1348
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: made that up. I just made that up. Is that

1349
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: like a name that has some meaning behind it? Or

1350
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: is this just to make you sound dumber than you

1351
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: actually are? You know, no, it has meeting. Okay, So

1352
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: I always am looking at trail camera data, right, but

1353
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm never looking at I'm always looking at a micro

1354
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: level like, Okay, this deer showed up at this point,

1355
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: but I'm never comparing that to where let's say, and

1356
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna use my buck for example from this year,

1357
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: because what made the decision for me to hunt where

1358
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: I hunt on that night is because I have trail

1359
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 1: camera data and historical data where I found his shed,

1360
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: where I got trail camera pictures of him, and I

1361
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: literally hunted right in the middle of that on a

1362
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: on a really good terrain feature, and that is where

1363
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: I killed this deer. Right, So that opened my mind

1364
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,839
Speaker 1: up too. Man, I'm only I'm looking at this almost

1365
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: two macro, right, I'm looking at it where only where

1366
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: a specific trail camera is and it's the latest intel.

1367
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: But what I need to be doing, So what I

1368
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 1: did was I took that information and I transferred it

1369
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: over to Gnarly Charlie this year, right and and last year.

1370
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 1: So every trail camera picture I had of Gnarly Charlie

1371
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: throughout the entire farm, on this map, I put a dot.

1372
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,879
Speaker 1: I put a dot where he was in the summer.

1373
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: I put a dot where he was late season, during

1374
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: the rut, October, whatever. So I have this these dots.

1375
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: Then what I did was I took a line for

1376
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: every dot, and I collect I I connected it to

1377
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: another line. Right. So now what you have is this shape, right,

1378
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 1: and inside of the shape you have where all these

1379
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: lines cross. Right. So it's kind of like when you're

1380
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: flying on a plane and there's like the map that

1381
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,839
Speaker 1: shows you all the different connecting like from one airport

1382
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: to a different airport, you know what I'm talking about.

1383
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: So it's kind like that something like that. So now

1384
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: you imagine you have like I'm I'm looking at one, two, three, four, five, six,

1385
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking at six dots on a map. Okay, all

1386
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: these lines are connected, there's no there's no shape. Right. Then,

1387
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: what I'm doing is where all these lines cross in

1388
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: the center. It's kind of like a core area, right,

1389
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean he's living in that core area

1390
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: because but what I'm looking at is I'm looking in

1391
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: this area. I'm looking for the main terrain features that

1392
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: I feel are conducive to deer movement. Right, So when

1393
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: the time comes for me to hunt this deer, I'm

1394
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: not going to focus on anything outside of that shape, right,

1395
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 1: because he hasn't shown up. He hasn't shown up ever

1396
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: throughout the entire year outside of that on any other

1397
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 1: trail cameras that I have. So I'm gonna now I'm

1398
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: bringing it back to a macro level, after I've collected

1399
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: all this data over the years, I'm saying that the

1400
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 1: odds of him outside of this area are lower than

1401
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: what they are inside of this area. And as you

1402
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: get down to where more lines start to cross in theory,

1403
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: he's going to be in that area more than the

1404
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: other areas. Right. So now I'm looking at the topographic

1405
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: map and I'm saying, here is terrain features, here are

1406
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: betting areas. Inside of this shape is where I need

1407
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: to be focusing on killing. And the this is only

1408
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: this only really works for when you're targeting specific bucks. Right,

1409
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 1: You're using this trail camera data to and and applying

1410
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: it to the terrain features on a map, and you're

1411
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: saying I have the best odds hunting this particular spot.

1412
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: And then you go a step further similar to what

1413
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,480
Speaker 1: you said. Now you start breaking it down into individual

1414
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: scenarios and you say, Okay, on a west wind, I

1415
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 1: need to hunt here. On the east wind, here, south, north, whatever, right,

1416
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 1: or if you're saying that, okay, here here is the

1417
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: highest likelihood of where this deer is living, where he's

1418
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: traveling throughout the year, I need to find access into

1419
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: this particular location for every single wind direction. Right. Sometimes

1420
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be harder, sometimes it's gonna be easier. But

1421
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: I feel that if you really look at a core area,

1422
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna know a lot more about this deer. And

1423
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,600
Speaker 1: then you start, you know, you start getting into that

1424
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: area and hell, maybe he's there, maybe he's not. But

1425
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 1: guess what you hunt in this and your access you

1426
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: hunt in that specific area on those specific terrain features

1427
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 1: where deer like to move, you're gonna run into them

1428
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: over a period of time. That's that's my thought process.

1429
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 1: I like it, um, I like that, and I love

1430
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: this just kind of stuff, these kind of conversations and

1431
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: this strategy is I mean, this is why white tails

1432
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: just it never gets old from me. Absolutely love this stuff,

1433
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: Like I wish you were over here right now. I

1434
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 1: wish we could be looking at a map together, like

1435
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 1: I want to, like I want to see your dots

1436
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: on the map and like think through this strategy with you. Yeah.

1437
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: The crazy part is is I'm looking at a I'm

1438
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: looking at a specific ridge right now on this map

1439
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: that I have that I my mouth is literally watering

1440
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: to get a stand in it. And I've never thought

1441
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: of it before until I started thinking about how do

1442
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 1: you use ridges to bed, how they use you know,

1443
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: how they're traveling through this property to food sources. And

1444
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where dude, I'm gonna be

1445
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 1: like if I if I apply, I'm gonna apply this

1446
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: method this year to hunt, you know, this year if

1447
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: he if he survives, right, if if he shows up

1448
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 1: on trail cameras this year, I have enough data now

1449
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 1: to where I'm just going like, all right here he is,

1450
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: let's let's give this a try. I'm looking at this

1451
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: one specific ridge where I feel, man, this just like

1452
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: I want to get in there right now, you know,

1453
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 1: what I mean, Um, now, what time of year do

1454
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: you think about when you think you're gonna start getting

1455
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: after him? Because last year I think if I remember,

1456
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: you took your first stab at him in like mid

1457
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: to late October, is that right? Yes? It was mid

1458
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: October UM based off some historical you know it was.

1459
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: It was based off one trail cameras historical data. So

1460
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: I it back there to that one particular spot, which

1461
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 1: after after I look at that particular spot, right, it's

1462
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: outside of that the shape, right, So um, you know,

1463
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 1: maybe he was coming off of a ridge, but maybe

1464
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: he wasn't, because that was outside of all the places

1465
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 1: that I got trail camera pictures of him. Right, So

1466
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: I went in and if I'm gonna if I'm using

1467
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: the new method, I would have never hunt there, hunted there?

1468
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: So what are you So you're gonna focus within your

1469
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: your core shape that you're building, But what about when

1470
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: do you think? Have you have you thought through like

1471
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: already the scenario you you envision as as how you're

1472
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: gonna take that first StEB Are you gonna look at

1473
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 1: that same date range again? Are you gonna wait for

1474
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Speaker 1: weather or are you gonna go just rut focus on him.

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01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: What where's your head at right now? Yeah, it's probably

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01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 1: gonna be late October this year, just because I'm gonna

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01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 1: be going on this If if I do go on

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01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: this mule deer hunt, it's gonna be first to one

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01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 1: of the first weeks of October. So I won't even

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01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: probably step foot on this farm until the third or

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01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: fourth week in October. It's not a bad time to start,

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01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: that's uh, right, when they're getting a little lancy. Yeah, absolutely,

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01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,560
Speaker 1: And uh, I don't know, like you've been thinking about

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01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 1: your style and it's like I can't get it's isn't

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01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: it crazy that we're trying to You know, a lot

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01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: of guys don't think of hunting as the like in

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01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:33,480
Speaker 1: depth strategy where you're using, you know, like a scientific

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01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 1: method to break down like animals, movements and thought processes.

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01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 1: But you look at you look at all the trails

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01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 1: that are on your farm. There there for a reason.

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01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 1: Every footprint is there because that dear feels safe in

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01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 1: that particular moment, right and that now is great because

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01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 1: it's wet in the timber and I was out there

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01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: turkey hunting and all I was doing was looking at

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01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: these trails and seeing how they intersect. I would love

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01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: someday if I had some extra time to put on

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01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 1: my GPS map on on X right and just walk

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01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:14,719
Speaker 1: these trails through the timber, you know, only going where

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01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 1: there was a deer trail and looking at that data

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01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: and imagine that data on top of a map of

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01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: what I just said. Holy cow, now you're looking at

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01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: like pitch points. Now you're looking at um like can

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01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: like I would assume that a uh trail down to

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01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: the mud is just a more traveled trail, and then

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01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 1: you add that to where you found shed antlers and

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01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: you add that to where it kind of gives you

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01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: a heat map of deer activity. Yeah. What you can

1508
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 1: do is you go out there with your dots on

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01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: your map for your where your trailcamera pictures have been

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01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: and either have do this on your map or even better,

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01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 1: do in person look at those points in the map

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01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: and then try to find on when you're actually there

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01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: on the ground, try to find the trail or the

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01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: best to feature, like how they would how a deer

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01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: would actually get from dot number one to dot number two,

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01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: see the actual find the actual trail or the ridge

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01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 1: or the pinch point that he would have to go

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01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: through to get between those two and then map that

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01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 1: so then you have, Okay, here's all the dots where

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01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 1: I know he actually was. And then here, based on

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01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 1: what I saw on the ground, are the actual trails

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01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 1: that get between A and B. Or here's the actual

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01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: pinch points between A and B. And then having all

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01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: that would be then like that next level, we should

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01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: be pretty sweet. I think if we apply. If we

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01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: took that, and then you then, like you described, go

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01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: in there one day, have that perfect scenare in your head,

1528
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,719
Speaker 1: take the assumption of what you believe to be true

1529
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 1: based off of all that data, make it a truth

1530
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 1: in your mind. You now have the Dan Johnson dots

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01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 1: on a map, connecting them to kill a deer, assumption

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01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: to truth deer hunting methodology for two. And there you go.

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01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 1: You're all set for the year. Man, I feel a

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01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: second coming on Mark. Yeah, that might be the plan.

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01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 1: It's just it's like, we go so deep. It's like

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01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: a thousand pages. It's like data that people are just like, Okay, man,

1537
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: you've literally taken the fun out of deer hunt and

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01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 1: no one has read it but you and man, oh

1539
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 1: but I would be fun. Um I think that's probably

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01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 1: good place for us to wrap it up. Man, Um,

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01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 1: I know you've got stuff to get to, and I

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01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,600
Speaker 1: do want to bring up one email I got um

1543
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: really quick before we go. This is just like a

1544
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 1: really nice thing for me to make me feel okay

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01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: about my life and my choices and the way I

1546
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: decided to to move forward as a as a young adult. Um.

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01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: This I'm not even gonna name the guy, will just

1548
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: call him R. He emailed and he had a whole

1549
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 1: long email about different things he did and how he's

1550
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 1: appreciated the stories we've shared in the podcast and how

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01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 1: he's learned things and so on and so forth, and

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01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 1: he ended it by saying, quote, I also had a

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01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 1: Poopa tech this year in the stand and I had

1554
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 1: a good chuckle with your stories as I can relate

1555
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: how over comma mine did not end as cleanly as yours.

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01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: I hope that. I hope he puts that out. If

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01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: he's listening, please go to itune and leave that as

1558
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: a reveal. Oh yeah, so with that, my buddy, Uh,

1559
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's wrap it up. Thanks for thanks for

1560
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: jumping on. Man. Absolutely talk to there and that will

1561
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: do it for to his episode. Appreciate your listening. Hope

1562
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 1: you enjoyed our little BS session here. It is good

1563
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 1: for Danna to get to catch up and hopefully feel

1564
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 1: you guys in a little bit on what is going

1565
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,799
Speaker 1: on in our lives as we head into the summer,

1566
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 1: hopefully someday here soon. It feels like we just went

1567
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 1: from winter straight into the end of spring, but I'm

1568
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 1: ready for all the great things that late spring and

1569
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:49,839
Speaker 1: summer and tail. Obviously, from what you just first discussed,

1570
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 1: you know that we're already thinking a whole lot about

1571
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 1: deer hunting season and everything that comes with that too.

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01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: So thanks again and until next time, stay wired to

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01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: hunt to dat out of Gun.