WEBVTT - The Rob Rundown 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:04.920 Cool Zone Media. 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:07.880 Hello, and welcome back to it could happen here. I 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:10.000 am once again you're a guest host, Molly Conger, and 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:11.920 joining me today is our friend Garrison. 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:16.400 Hello. Excited to get the Robert Rundo run down. 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:19.320 So you already know what we are talking about today. 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.360 It is a guy that you probably already know more 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.200 about than you ever wanted to. It is Rob Rundo, 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.200 the founder of the Nazi fight club the Rise Above movement. 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:30.720 You and Robert did a great two part Behind the 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:36.839 Bastards on RAM back in twenty twenty one. 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:39.320 Which is shockingly three years ago, which does not sound right, 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:41.320 but I guess is the case. 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:43.919 It's been a long three years for you, but an 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:45.520 even stranger one for Rob. 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:50.239 Yeah, he's been really a country hopic a lot the 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:51.040 past few years. 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.680 Huh, he's been busy. So when you recorded that episode 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:58.400 back in January of twenty twenty one, Rundo's federal charges 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.560 had been dismissed by Judge corn mat Karney in twenty nineteen. 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.840 The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals overturned that decision in 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.280 March twenty twenty one, right around the time the episode 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:08.720 came out. I think at the end of the second 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:12.399 episode you had a PostScript, like an adendum you recorded afterwards, 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.360 because before it came out, the Ninth Circuit ruling had 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:19.720 been issued. Okay, okay, But in an almost comical turn 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:24.640 of events, Judge Carney has once again dismissed those charges 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:26.240 two weeks ago. 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:33.199 Now, so three years later, a few countries later, hopping 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:37.520 from from Serbia to the United States to probably other 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:39.480 places around Europe. 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.480 Yeah, and we're sort of back in the same position 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.679 you were in when you talked about him three years ago. 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:46.640 Times that's circle. 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:48.720 But before we get into one of the sort of 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.960 strangest legal slap fights I've ever read, let's back up 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.720 for a second. Who is Rob Rundo and what was 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.400 he charged with? Yeah, So, if you want a more 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.760 robust look at the early days of the Rise Above movement, 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.520 recommend going back and listening to that Behind the Bastards 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:04.840 two parter on the Rise Above Movement. It originally aired 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.400 in March twenty twenty one, So like, really scroll back 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.320 in your podcast app but we'll do a quick recap 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:14.720 here because it's not I can't assign the listener homework. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:20.000 So so the Rise Above movement first emerged in early 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.600 twenty seventeen, after a brief period of being called the 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.360 DIY Division both stupid dames. I don't know which one's better, 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:30.080 but RAM, We're just gonna call them RAM. In twenty 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.720 seventeen was a big year for political violence. It was 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.680 it was really hot that year. The group was, on 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.519 its surface, a mixed martial arts club for white men. 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.000 They trained together and bonded over their shared and abhorrent 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.960 political views. In their own words, they are fighting against 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:51.200 the modern world corrupted by the destructive cultural influences of liberals, Jews, Muslims, 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:55.079 and immigrants, you know, and gay people and gay people. Yeah, 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.640 I'm just pretty much pretty much everybody except you know 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:00.000 themselves down. 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:00.680 Oh yeah. 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.000 Essentially, if you were not a member of the Nazi 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.240 Fight Club, you are a victim of the Nazi fight club. 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.320 That's the first rule of Nazi fight sure. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:10.680 Whatever. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.480 The first rule of Nazi fight Club was not don't 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:14.600 talk about Nazi fight club. 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:18.280 And I think that's because they shut it. They cannot 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:19.120 stop talking. 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:21.639 Like if they had just followed the first rule of 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.160 fight club, they might not be in this position. But 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.040 RAM quickly became a staple at rallies in southern California 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.840 that year. In the spring and summer of twenty seventeen, 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:33.720 they kept showing up and kept throwing punches. In March, 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.560 members assaulted journalists and counter protesters at a MAGA rally 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.080 in Huntington Beach. In April, they assaulted numerous counter protesters 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.880 at a rally in Berkeley. In August, RAM members attended 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.520 Unite the Right in Charlottesville and assaulted counter protesters in 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.680 the streets. Again. And you know, they're not just going 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:50.360 to these events and getting in fights, right, They're not 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.720 just like showing up and just like it just happens. 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.800 They're going to these events planning on committing these assaults 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:59.520 and then bragging about the assaults publicly and privately. They're 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.400 using these acts of violence as propaganda and recruitment tools, 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.160 right like they're making little videos they're posting about it. 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.680 It's not just about committing the assault. So the violence 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.680 is not just about physically hurting people. It's part of 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.640 a larger strategy to incite others to join them in 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.839 this project. And that's I mean, you already know this. 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:18.640 You covered that in your episode three years ago. This 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:19.760 is for everybody else. 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:24.200 And there, and they're still going. Unfortunately, these these they're 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.839 now often called active clubs, are more popular than what 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.080 they were three years ago. They've they've become a very 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.839 a very big staple of white supremacist organizing across the 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.320 United States and Canada, mirroring a lot of organizational styles 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:41.080 in Eastern Europe. There's probably one in your area that 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.280 you might not know about. They are active on telegram, 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:48.280 they're actively recruiting. They recruit from high schools. Is a 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:53.000 big increasing problem. As Patriot Front becomes more and more 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:57.080 like fed jacketed between their owned Nazi ranks, we have 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.880 see more people plugging into these these active clubs. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.200 Right RAM did not go away. It's just sort of morphed. 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.599 And so back in twenty seventeen, you know, they said 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.400 they had a lot of members. They probably had like 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.719 twenty But now these active clubs just they do genuinely 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:15.200 have chapters all over the country. Yeah, but back in 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.719 the past, right so, after Unite the Right RAM members 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.160 decided to lay off the rallies a little bit, you know, 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.640 being seen on camera beating a woman into the pavement 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:24.600 at a rally that ended in a hate crime murder 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.080 invited some bad press, and they weren't looking to get 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.640 door knocks at that particular moment, so they backed off 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:32.839 a little bit at the end of twenty seventeen, but 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.279 they'd spent most of that year attending rallies and getting 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:39.760 into physical altercations. It wasn't until over a year after 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.080 Unite the Right in October of twenty eighteen, that there 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:46.800 was any attempt to do anything about this very obvious problem. 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.320 You know, the criminal complaint itself even says that some 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.000 of these assaults were committed in plain view of cops 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.240 who just stood there and did nothing while these guys 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.120 beat the shit out of people in the streets. You know, 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.560 they're in each other's dms, bragging about kicking a woman 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.640 in the head while she's lying on the ground, but 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:06.680 nobody lifted a finger to stop them. But in October 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.760 of twenty eighteen, two cases were filed. One in the 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.679 Western District of Virginia, charges were filed against Ben Dalley, 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.560 Cole White, Thomas Gillen, and Michael Miscelis, And a few 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:19.000 weeks later, in the Central District of California, charges were 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.560 filed against Rob Rundo, Robert Bowman, Tyler Loub and Aaron Eeson, 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:26.280 So all eight of them, four in each district. All 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.320 eight of them were charged under the Federal Riot Act 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.680 and conspiracy to riot. I think it was Robert who 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:33.760 said in the original RAM episode, you know, like if 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.560 at any point early on, like if at any point 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:40.080 in those first few months of this happening, there had 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.839 been any kind of intervention, if anyone had been arrested 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.240 in the act, maybe this could have been nipped in 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:48.040 the butt and a lot of what happens later wouldn't 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:48.719 have happened. 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:53.200 Or even if they were like beaten up, like if 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.320 like if a group of like Eddie Fastists like beat 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.560 them up, that would disidentifize them from going to future 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.479 events to try to beat other people. Right, Like, violence 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.000 is actually very good at doing this specific thing. And 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:05.880 if you feel like you're going to go somewhere to 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:07.400 get beat up, you probably don't want to go there. 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.920 And even like divorce from the actions of the state 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:15.320 like that is that is a demotivating factor which has 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.320 been effective against Proud Boys in Portland. Now, obviously some 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.360 of these guys, especially the RAM crew, go there with 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.800 the express interest of getting into fights so that's something 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:28.200 you should definitely consider. But yeah, like if as long 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:29.920 as they have a bad time, it makes them not 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:31.840 want to come to these things. But when they're able 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.280 to just beat up anyone they want to without any pushback, 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.480 it's like, yeah, it becomes like a fun thing. It 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.720 becomes like a large amount of incentive is gained for 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.720 going to a rally, whether that's in Huntington Beach or 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:44.200 halfway across the country. 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:44.680 Yeah. 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:46.560 I mean, they were having a great time and there 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.520 was no there was no movement to stop this, and 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.080 it's hard to know why it took over a year 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.120 for any charges to get brought. I think you speculated 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:55.720 in that ram episode a few years ago that it 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.480 was public pressure after that end up reporting came out 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.120 of mainstream press. But going back over the timeline and 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.160 that pro public apiece came out in October twenty seventeen, 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.200 that was just two months after Unite the Right and 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.320 a whole year before those charges were filed, it's not 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.360 really possible to know why they waited so long unless 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.120 some you know, young US attorney wants to level with 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:15.640 us about it. 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.840 But I don't foresee that, but probably not. 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.880 Just you know, what's going on behind the scenes. But 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.160 I do have one sort of interesting little anecdote. A 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.040 couple months ago, I was at an event here in Charlesville. 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.600 It was a panel discussion, and one of the speakers 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.960 was the US Attorney for the Western District of Virginia, 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.920 Chris Cavanaugh. He was speaking to a group of people 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:36.800 about the work that he does, and he's talking about 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:38.679 the work that he did on some of these sort 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:42.200 of extremism cases after Unite the Right. Back in twenty eighteen, 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.560 he was the assistant US attorney here. He's been promoted 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.000 since then, but he worked on the James Fields case, 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.240 and he worked on the RAM case that was filed 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.240 here in Virginia, and he said something really interesting that 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.439 I hadn't thought about before. So right after Unite the 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.280 Right in August twenty seventeen, a bunch of FBI agents 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.360 were assigned to, you know, check out what how here 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.960 at this mass casualty event. Right, they had the resources 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.240 to investigate and try to develop cases. You know, I 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:08.720 love my documents. I spent a lot of time in 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:10.760 the documents, so I've actually seen you know, they got 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.199 some federal search warrants. It was actually an FBI agent 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.480 who dug the round that Richard Preston fired at Corey 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:18.400 Long out of the mulch In Market Street Park. You know, 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.640 they got search warrants for social media for a couple 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.679 of guys who ended up prosecuted locally, Alex Ramos, Richard Preston, 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.600 and New Borton. So it looks like they were trying 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.559 to develop hate crime cases, right, Like that federal warrant 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.800 they got for Richard Preston's Twitter account said that they 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:36.920 were developing a hate crime case and they never did so, 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:38.840 Like right after Unite the Right, they're getting these warrants, 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.800 they're developing these cases. But back to that event that 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:46.120 I was at with Chris Kavanaugh, the US Attorney, He said, 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.440 when the Las Vegas shooting happened in October of twenty seventeen, 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.880 they lost their task force. They had this huge volume 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.600 of agents working trying to develop Unite the Right cases. 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.880 When that shooting happened two months later, they all got reassigned. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.720 He was left like a skeleton crew, and they just 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.000 didn't have the resources to develop these cases. Like, I 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.760 don't know how the FBI is managing their resources internally 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.679 so badly. That they can only handle one mass casualty 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.880 event at a time, or why the Washington Field office 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.880 was so heavily impacted by a shooting in Nevada. But 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:18.800 that is what he said, So take that as you will. 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.240 And I think that theory is at least in part 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.400 supported by the fact that the federal charges against James 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.959 Fields didn't get brought until June of twenty eighteen. Right 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.000 he'd been charged locally for the car attack that killed 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.840 how they higher, but the federal charges didn't pop up 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.280 until June of twenty eighteen, So I don't know if 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.959 maybe something shifted in terms of resources in their office 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.520 that summer, I don't know. It's interesting to think about. 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.360 But then so in you know, back to October of 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.560 twenty eighteen, right when these two different RAM cases get filed. 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.079 Virginia's case was actually filed first. It was filed a 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.480 few weeks before the case in California, So I don't know. 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.520 I assumed they were in communication about that, but I 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.000 don't have any special insight into what their federal prosecute 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.160 was doing. But it's also possible that it just takes 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:07.120 the government a whole ass year to do anything. No 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.559 matter what right. In a recent filing in the Rundo case, 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.560 the government's talking about how this investigation was developed, and 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.920 it says, you're gonna shit a break Garrison. It says 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.360 that the FBI investigation into RAM only started when a 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:25.480 bartender in La called the FBI a few weeks after 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.800 Unite the Right because he overheard a patron Ben Day 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:35.800 quote gleefully bragging about having caused havoc during the riots. Amazing, 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.760 and he also quote bragged about hitting a guy and 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.760 punching a girl in the face during protests in Berkeley. 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:45.599 So that first comment was about Charlesville. He had just 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.319 come home from Charlesville. He was talking about how he 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.080 caused havoc. He's bragging about punching people in Berkeley, and 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:54.559 the bartender's like, hmm, that's kind of that's suspicious, suspicious. 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.360 This unnamed complainant also told the FBI that Daily and 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.080 other RAM members had come to the bar often and 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.840 sometimes used it for recruitment. They were recruiting the patrons 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.560 at this bar, and based on what he overheard, he 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.840 told the FBI that the group quote did not care 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.880 about the issues regarding the statues in Charlottesville. But rather 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:16.520 a quote enjoyed going to protests just to raise havoc, 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:22.360 cause trouble and fight. So it wasn't until a bartender 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.000 called the FBI to be like, Hey, this guy's talking 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.680 about like doing a lot of gang violence. I don't 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.280 know if you guys know about this. And according to 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.600 that same court filing, the FBI took until January of 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.520 twenty eighteen, so a few weeks after Unite the Right 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.480 and maybe we're looking at September. It took them three 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.480 or four more months until January of twenty eighteen to 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.800 discover in the course of their investigation that RAM was 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:44.360 based in southern California. 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.240 Great work, great work, everybody, fantastic stuff. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:52.199 They're on it now, Garrison. And so at this point, 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.760 the LA Field Office opens an investigation into members in 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:59.800 the area. Now I kind of hope this isn't true, right, 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.320 Like I hope that this is not a correct summary 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:06.959 of the of these events, because if it really took 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:08.880 someone calling the FBI to say, like, hey, I heard 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.559 a guy bragging about doing crime in sem. 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.480 That definitely happed. No, that is definitely how this went down. 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.679 Absolutely that makes so much sense. 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.040 But then it took three months of investigating to figure 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.600 out that the guys who recruit for their Nazi gang 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.160 at a bar in LA probably live in La. 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:30.200 Yeah, yeah, I mean that is This is kind of 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.880 how the FBI investigates white supremasist groups. 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:33.840 But like. 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:40.600 They have they're too busy investigating teenagers in black hoodies. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.839 They can't they can't bother to spare the manpower for this. 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:45.520 There's Antifa out there. 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.520 By the time they got this tip from the bartender, 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.160 that Pro Publica article was already out. Why did it 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.080 take them three months to find out that the guys 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:56.680 whose names were already in the newspaper lived in California. 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:57.200 I don't know. 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.440 I don't trust anyone who lives in Virginia. 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.000 So it took them a few months, Right, it took 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.520 some time. I hope that's not true, but it is 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.480 what the government has put on the record as the truth. 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.520 So anyway, that's how this case starts. Right, So, these 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.559 eight members of RAM are charged for in Virginia for 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:19.200 in California with rioting and conspiracy to riot. Just for 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.880 efficiency's sake, I'll just say that the cases in Virginia 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.080 are fully resolved. Daily Miss Eliskillen, and White all pleaded guilty. 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:28.240 There were some later unsuccessful appeals where when they after 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.480 they saw what happened in the California cases, they were like, ooh, 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.480 actually us too, can we But that didn't work and 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.760 their convictions stood. And that's all over. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.960 Where is daily now? Is he out again? There he's out. 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:41.920 The he's out? Yeah yeah yeah. 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.760 White didn't get any additional time after his plea because 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:46.800 he was so cooperative, and the other three all got 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:48.080 less than three years. 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:49.680 Yeah yeah, yeah, so they're out. 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.200 But these California cases where Roundo is charged, they have 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:57.600 been a mess from day one, so the charge October 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.160 twenty eighteen. In twenty nineteen, Judge Corn Matt Carney dismissed 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.640 the charges in California, saying that the Riot Act was 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:08.800 unconstitutionally overbroad and its application violated the defendant's First Amendment rights. 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:13.200 So true, First Amendment defender here, that's right, travel across 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.040 state lines to riot endorsed by this judge. 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.680 That's free speech. Garrison like love it or leave it, 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:24.400 go back to Canada. So the prosecutor appealed that ruling 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:28.280 because it was hawk garbage. And the ninth Circuit agreed 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.120 it takes a long time for things to get appealed. 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:34.320 It's like slower than watching grass grow. So the Ninth 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.120 Circuit reversed that ruling in March of twenty twenty one, 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.880 reinstating the indictments. Things move really so, so you know, it 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:42.880 took two years for them to reverse it and then 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.040 another year to enter the order. So it wasn't until 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:49.320 February of twenty twenty two that the case was formally reopened. 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:53.400 In which case, around this time, Rondo's trying to like 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:58.000 hide in Eastern Europe and eventually get sent back to 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.360 the United States. Curiously, around the same time that Andrew Tate. 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:07.720 Does God imagine an Andrew tape Rob Rundo fight. Oh okay, 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:09.600 I wouldn't pay money because I don't want to support them, 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:11.240 but I would love to watch that. 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.440 Actually send them both back to Romania and let them fight. 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.400 Yeah, exactly, exactly. 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.040 So, by the time that the California ram defendants are 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.600 re indicted on the original charges, it's January of twenty 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.960 twenty three, and only three of them get re indicted 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:28.480 because Aaron Eeson has died. 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:30.360 So sad. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:32.440 It doesn't say much. 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.200 More than that a tragic loss of life. 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:36.640 I don't know. I don't want to I guess I 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:38.520 don't want to speculate because it doesn't say on the record, 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.160 and I was unable to determine. I can't find anything 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.400 other than the court record dismissing his charges because he 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.280 was dead. I can't find any record of his death. 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:49.360 It must have just been, you know, private. But you know, 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:51.000 you were talking about that RAM episode a couple of 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:52.720 years ago about how you know they're all about clean 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:53.640 living and fighting. 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:56.440 They're all straight edge, except for all of the ones 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:57.320 who do trucks. 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.160 A lot of them have really serious drug problems. And 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:01.840 I don't know for a fact what was going on 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.719 with Aaron Eesan, but I know Robert Bowman had some 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.760 trouble staying out on bond due to a very severe 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:12.160 meth addiction. Yes, yes, so I don't know what happened 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.119 to Aaron Easton, but very very pure. 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:15.879 You gotta keep the blood line pure. 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.600 So the reindicted January twenty twenty three, And as you 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.760 guys talked about back in twenty twenty one, Rondo had 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.399 been living in Serbia for most of this time. He 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:29.120 is overseas making friends doing fight club, doing Nazi stuff. 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:33.840 Hang out, making bad T shirts, doing bad graffiti, mostly 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.760 opening up T shirt factories. It's really what he spent 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:37.679 a lot of time. 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.200 SERI really about the merch. You have to merchandise. 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.600 That's the Hey, if you took away one thing from 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:49.080 Revolt against the Modern World, it's that Ovola loved merch. 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:52.240 That's the biggest through line in that works. You got 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:56.080 to sell those stickers, man. 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:59.520 You have to. It's a sort of a pointy shaped operation. Right, 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.040 the guys will the bottom have to keep selling the 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.640 stickers to the guys, and he has to make new bottoms. Right, 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:08.959 There's there's no bottom. It is a pyramid scheme. Patriot 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:10.280 Runt is a pyramid scheme. 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:14.840 Well, and Patriot Front and Rondo had the same sticker 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:19.960 manufacturer for quite a while. Their websites, well, their merch 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:21.480 websites were identical. 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.600 Look, I mean, how many webmasters can these Nazi groups have. 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.240 It's got to be one guy. Yeah, they do not 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:32.320 have a graphic designer. So anyway, so he's in Serbia 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.600 in twenty twenty one, Serbia made a big show of 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.000 saying like, oh, like he's not welcome here, He's deported 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.720 to Bosnia. He was still in Serbia. I think Bell 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.800 and Kat has some great articles tracking exactly where in 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.240 Belgrade Rondo was hanging out. But Serbia was like, no, 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.280 he's not here, we can't he's not welcome here. He's 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.600 in Bosnia and Boni he was like, he's not fucking here. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:51.560 He was in Serbia. 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.880 He kept trying to lie to He tried to like 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.399 like make people think he was somewhere else, but he 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.760 just couldn't stop posting. And if you ever post anything 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:05.040 outside or really even inside you you can be found. 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.680 So like, he couldn't stop posting in every single time 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.720 he'd be like, haha, the CIA assets a belly cat 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.600 think I'm here when in fact I'm actually over there, 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:16.400 and you're like, no, you're actually right here. It's really 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:18.800 easy to find out where you are. You posted yourself 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.520 standing next to this tree. There's only one type of 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.560 this tree in this area. It's obvious you're right here, 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:24.439 and it's. 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:25.840 Like you can post all you like. If you have 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:28.359 terminal posting disease, you can keep posting, which is like, 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.160 don't post photographs of yourself in a place. 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.280 He can't, he can't stop. He can't stop, won't stop. 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.600 My favorite old Rundo laur is that he had this 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.879 YouTube series called Tea Time with Robert Rundo that I 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.639 still think about about once a week where he would 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:46.280 give his Nazi followers advice on how to flee the 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.919 country if they have a felony while sitting at like 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:53.560 a European cafe, filming on his iPhone. It's the most 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.200 it's the funniest thing I've ever seen. 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.159 In the same world. Evidence like that would make a 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:01.800 judge say, I don't think we should let you back 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:02.439 out if you. 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:07.120 Let it tail, considering you made instructions. 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:12.280 So finally, in March of twenty twenty three, he's freshly reindicted. 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:14.440 In January twenty twenty three. March of twenty twenty three, 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.920 the Romanian police are like, we fucking found him, got 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.679 he's here in Romania. So he's arrested in Romania and 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:22.359 it takes a few months to sort out all the 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:24.800 paperwork and get him extradited back to the US in 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:28.920 August of twenty twenty three. You know what won't get 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:32.000 you indicted on federal felony charges that result in you 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:33.959 being extradited from a Romanian prison. 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:37.240 Listening to these ads as long as we declare them 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:41.200 as my FTC training today taught me how to do. So. Yes, 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:43.320 these are all paid advertisements. We're not allowed to call 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:47.640 them promoted content. We have to call them ads. These 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:50.359 are advertised I believe that was part of my training today. 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:54.520 So to make sure I don't go to prison enjoy 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.000 these paid advertisements. 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:11.280 Well, I hope you enjoyed those paid advertisement. 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:13.760 Paid ads. This is weird. We're only airing them because 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:17.720 they're paying us money. These are not our sincere belief. Way. 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:20.600 We can't say that either. There's really no way to win. 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.200 There's no way to win here anyway. 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:25.400 I'm going to the war against the FTC. 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:27.400 So so true. 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:29.679 So that more or less gets us up to the 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:33.960 current controversy. So we get Rundo back August twenty twenty three, 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.000 and then February twenty twenty four, about ten days ago, 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:42.720 Judge Carney dismisses the case again. So back in twenty nineteen, 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:45.080 Carney said, no, there's no crime here. This is just 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:47.720 protective for some m activities. You can't use the Riot Act. 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.600 That's unconstitutional, right, And he dismisses the case and the 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:54.160 Ninth Circuit says, no, no, I don't think so that's 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:55.879 not how we're reading this. You got to take the 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:59.880 case back. So it gets remanded back to the same judge. 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.520 It goes back to Judge Karney, but of course Rendo's 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:04.360 missing now. It takes a while to get him back. 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:06.000 And so he finally gets his defendant back from his 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:08.320 Nazi layer in Eastern Europe, he has to come up 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.200 with a new reason why a Nazi street fighting gang 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:14.159 shouldn't be charged with a crime. Okay, So, like it's obvious, 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:16.560 he just doesn't want to fucking try this case. So 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:19.280 he has to come up with a new reason. And honestly, 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:22.119 I think no shade to the federal public defender, right, 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:25.760 Rendo has a public defender. It is their job to 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:27.880 throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. They're 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.239 providing zealous defense to their clients. So they write up 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:33.520 what I would say, in my personal opinion, was an 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:37.440 absolute dogshit motion, and I think maybe they knew that too. 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:39.600 I don't know, they're just doing their jobs. I think 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:42.520 Judge Karney would have agreed with whatever they put on paper. 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:44.760 He gets this motion and he's like, yes, for sure, 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:49.000 dismissed again. So true, and this time it's selective prosecution. 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:51.160 That if the government wants to charge Ram with riding, 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:53.760 they would have had to charge Antifa too, because otherwise 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.720 it's not fair. What should they do all the fucking time? 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:00.520 It's just not fair. 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:05.320 I mean this case does actually like showcase like selective prosecution, 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:08.359 the fact that you are super willing to drop charges 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:11.479 against a white sutrematist but will send like quote unquote 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:15.640 Antifa gay gay teenagers to prison for going to going 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:19.760 to a BLM protest. Like, yeah, that actually does showactly 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:23.560 exactly how these cases are very selectively prosecuted. 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:25.720 Right, Like these guys are playing on easy mode and 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:28.280 as soon as they draw the wrong card, it's like, well, 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:31.200 this deck is stacked, this deck is stacked, right, and 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:33.720 so not. I'm like, we talked about this before a Garrison. 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:35.919 I'm not a lawyer, we know this, but I am 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:38.920 an enthusiastic consumer of the law, and I did read 0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:44.119 a bunch of law review articles today. Okay, selective prosecution 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:47.800 sounds like the kind of thing that could work, right, Like, oh, 0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:52.159 it's not constitutional to selectively prosecute based on maybe a 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.000 protected characteristic right like if you're only prosecuting black people 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:57.320 for a crime, like, of course that's wrong. But here's 0:23:57.320 --> 0:24:02.080 the thing. It doesn't work. It never works. This is 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:04.800 not an argument that is effective. I want't say it 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:08.080 never works. It is generally not an effective argument, even 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:11.080 when a layperson could look at it and say, oh, yeah, 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:13.600 that is kind fucked up. It just doesn't work. You 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:15.880 can't just walk into court and say, you know, well, 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:18.360 your honor, I was speeding, but so is everybody else 0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:20.840 on the interstate. It's unconstitutional to give me a ticket 0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:23.679 unless everyone gets a ticket, right that. It's not how 0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:24.159 it works. 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:25.960 They're picking on me. 0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:29.800 It's yeah, you can't just say, you know, other people 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:32.000 did what I did, but I'm the only one standing here, 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:35.200 so it's not fair. You have to there's an actual 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:37.359 structure to this. Oh Jay got away with it. That 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:41.320 means I should too, right, right, We're not catching every murderer, 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:43.159 so like, yeah, I should get a freebee. 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:44.280 Yeah. 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:46.639 So you have to show not only that there was 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:50.600 a particular other individual who engaged in the same conduct 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:54.520 who was not charged, but also that quote a federal 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:59.119 prosecutorial policy had a discriminatory effect, and it was motivated 0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:03.119 by a discriminate tory purpose. So in the speeding ticket analogy, right, 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:05.280 you'd have to say, you know, I was doing eighty 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:07.920 in the school zone, but so were these three other 0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:11.880 particular women like John, Jane and Gina were all doing 0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:14.679 it too, and we all got pulled over. But the 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:18.120 cop only gave me a ticket because he hates men 0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:21.040 or something, right, Like, you would have to. 0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:23.320 Show that based miss andres cop. 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:25.959 Right, So you'd have to show that other people did 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:28.560 the exact same thing you did, and it was possible 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:31.080 for them to have gotten in trouble too, yeah, but 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:34.040 they didn't because of a particular form of discrimination. 0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:34.800 Yeah. 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:37.600 So in order to make a valid claim of selective prosecution, 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:41.560 Rondo's lawyers would have to say, Look, here's Joe Antifa, 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:44.560 a real guy who exists, and here is a materially 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:47.919 similar set of circumstances in which Joe Antifa ran an 0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:50.800 organized group that got into fights on purpose, provoked confrontations, 0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:52.879 chase people to their cars, beat women in the streets, 0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.080 and then use that footage to recruit people to his gang. 0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:58.760 Right Like, here's Joe Antifa bragging online about targeting members 0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:01.680 of a particular minority group. Brutal gang assaults at political rallies. 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:04.760 Here's his group actively planning and organizing to travel to 0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:06.920 different cities in other states across the country with the 0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:10.280 explicit and stated goal of provoking and attacking people. Right, 0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:13.720 you can't just say, well, Antifa didn't get charged. You 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:18.040 have to present an actual person who did what you did, 0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:21.240 not just some other guy who did something you don't 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.080 like or somebody else who maybe did kind of a crime. 0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:26.760 You have to say, this is a specific person and 0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:30.399 he did what I did in a materially similar way 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:33.320 to the same degree that I did it, and with 0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:35.160 just as much evidence to support that. 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:36.280 Yeah. 0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:39.119 And in the Ram case, there's so much evidence because 0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:44.119 they couldn't stop fucking posting, So they can't produce evidence 0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:47.840 that Antifa, to whatever degree that's a meaningful term here, 0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:51.919 engaged in similar behavior to what the evidence shows Ram did. Right, 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:54.960 It's not just other people were fighting. And in this 0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:57.880 case that's kind of preposterous because the evidence does show 0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:01.320 that they specifically bragged, Like there's a text that was 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:04.119 produced from Ben Daley bragging about how they were first 0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:08.159 through the barricades at Berkeley. So you're acknowledging that you 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.760 know there was this big riot and that you started it. 0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:14.520 Sure other people were fighting in the riot that you 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:18.960 started on purpose, So no one else can be similarly 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:22.320 situated to you, Because even if they were fighting you 0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:25.240 started it. There has to be a real, actual, other 0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:29.400 person who is similarly situated. That's an actual legal term 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:33.240 that encompasses a set of criteria. Is there a similar 0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:36.119 amount of evidence against this other person? Would it take 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:39.159 a similar amount of state resources to investigate, arrest, and 0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:44.719 convict this person. We just don't have an organized, militant 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:47.440 street gang of Antifa that sold branded apparel and bragged 0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:51.639 about crimes online. There is no similarly situated, uncharged actor 0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:55.200 on the other side of this. That person doesn't exist. 0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:59.440 But it's even more than that. Even if we did 0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:02.280 have Joe Antifa, the gang leader who's bragging online about 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:06.639 doing this kind of stuff, even if he existed, Even then, 0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:10.119 even then there is what's called prosecutorial discretion. There may 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.879 be reasons that we just aren't entitled to know about 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.000 as to why a prosecutor made the decisions they did 0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:18.920 about who gets charged. For a selective prosecution argument to work, 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:20.679 you have to show that this decision was made for 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:25.120 a discriminatory purpose, and that's really hard to do because 0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:27.760 they're not going to tell you that, right. You know, 0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:30.800 in an ideal world, selective prosecution would be an argument raised, 0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:34.080 you know, about racial bias, because we do know that 0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:38.200 there is racial bias and who is investigated, arrested, charged, 0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:40.640 and convicted for crimes, like at every step along the way, 0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:43.280 there's a thumb on the scale against people of color. 0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:47.000 And even then, even when it is so obvious, even 0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:48.720 when you have, you know, a prosecutor who is a 0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:52.640 member of the fucking clan, even then these arguments don't 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:58.800 tend to work. This should not have worked. But Judge 0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:02.080 Carney clearly just doesn't want this case prosecuted, right. I 0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:05.360 think it's it's very obvious that he just like thinks 0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:07.360 Rob Rundo is a nice boy who shouldn't have to 0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:12.080 go to jail for this. He is also, i think, notably, 0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:17.840 about to retire. He hits he hits the minimum retirement 0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.720 age in May, and he is going to retire the 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:24.440 day that he can. I think Megan Cuniff, who has 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:27.280 a great blog, Legal Affairs, she's been covering this case. 0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:30.640 She noted in a tweet, a few weeks ago that 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:34.200 she knows that he intends to retire because he in 0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:37.000 rescheduling some hearings, said that that was the only day 0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:39.240 he could go to the retirement benefits class that he 0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:41.000 needs to go to to make sure he can retire 0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:43.560 the day he's eligible in May. So he just doesn't 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:45.560 he just doesn't want to deal with this. Right that 0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.280 this was scheduled to go to trial in March and 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:51.280 he's retiring in May. He just doesn't want to do it. 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:58.800 What's the even the point anymore? What's what? I just 0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:01.640 it's like, why, well, why are they even trying here? 0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:04.280 Like it just just just like kick the can down 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:06.680 to someone else if you don't want to like deal 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:09.240 with this. I don't know, it's turning this whole like 0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:11.360 I don't know. I've read other things from this judge 0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:13.760 how he's like he's like very much into like this 0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:16.360 big like Antifa conspiracy theory, and. 0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:18.480 He's a little bit racist, Like there was an issue 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:21.040 he's oh, I'm shocked. He was chief judge of the 0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:23.200 circuit briefly, but he had to step down, so he's 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:26.680 still a judge in the Central District of California. But 0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:28.480 he's not the chief judge anymore because he made a 0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:32.479 racist comment to the Clerk of Court. So he's I mean, 0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:34.880 I think there's some stuff going on with Judge Carney, 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:36.880 So I think he knows when he made this ruling 0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:38.680 that like the Ninth Circuit's gonna send it back, but 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:40.479 that's not gonna be his problem anymore because he's out 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.960 of here in May. So you heard this like absolute 0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:46.800 dog shit argument and he was like, so true, King, 0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:49.920 this is not fair. You are free to go go ahead, 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:53.600 and he let him out same day, Like he heard 0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:57.720 this argument. He was like, absolutely, that's the one. Go 0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:00.520 on home. And he let him out that day. If 0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:02.520 he was attorney made a motion for an emergency stay, 0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:05.280 saying like, okay, well, let's just let's not get ahead 0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:06.880 of ourselves. Why don't we just hang on to him 0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:08.680 till we can talk to the Ninth Circuit about this, 0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:11.640 because I don't know. And that's pretty normal. That would 0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:14.120 be normal for the judge to say, let's give it 0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:16.479 a day. I mean, I want him release, but we'll 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:18.040 give it a day. We'll let you get your paperwork 0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:19.800 in order. No, he just let him out, just let 0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:23.320 him out right that day and considering his history of 0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:26.959 fleeing the country, not the call I would have made. 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:29.080 It is quite the choice. 0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:32.320 So the very next day, the Ninth Circuit was like, 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:34.920 hold on, let's get him back in custity while we 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:38.520 think about this. And it makes no sense for CARNEI 0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:41.240 to deny the emergency stay. That would be really normal 0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:44.400 to stay the decision until we have a chance to 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:46.560 sort of think this through. Right, even if he truly 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.080 believed with his whole heart that there's no way that 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:50.960 this would ever get kicked back by the Ninth Circuit, 0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:52.800 that the case would stay dismissed and Rundo would be 0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:55.560 free to go, it would not be unusual to say, 0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:58.400 you know, well, this has been pretty contentious. The defendant 0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:01.520 has fled the country multiple time, so let's just hang 0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:03.720 on to him for twenty four forty eight hours while 0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:05.880 we go through the motions of getting that emergency hearing. 0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:09.000 But that's not what happened, because Robert Rundo is the 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.040 definition of a flight risk. 0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:17.800 Yes he is. Like he's the platonic ideal form of 0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:18.600 a flight risk. 0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:21.080 I've sat through a lot of bond hearings and I 0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:23.720 know we are definitely not all using the same dictionary 0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:25.480 here when it comes to what is a flight risk. 0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:28.640 But you really can't find a guy who has done 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:31.320 more to demonstrate than he absolutely can and will flee 0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.760 the country to avoid going back to court. He does 0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:37.280 not want to go to court. So back in twenty eighteen, 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:41.440 when those two prosecutions were initially filed, right, the Virginia 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:44.960 case was filed first, So when Ben Daley was arrested, 0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:48.640 the charges hadn't actually been filed yet against rob Rundo. 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:51.200 But I guess when they came to get Ben on 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:54.240 October second, so eighteen days before the charges were filed 0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:56.920 against rob Rundo himself, they came to get Ben in 0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:00.280 La and he's like, mm, time to get out of dodge. 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:01.800 So I think that was the moment he was like 0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:05.640 I gotta go. You know, he knew they might be 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:11.080 coming for him next. So first he tries going to Ukraine, 0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:13.120 which is a great place for a militant right wing 0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:16.040 extremists to go hang out with friends, right, And unfortunately 0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:19.640 for him, his flight had a layover in London. I 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:21.680 don't know if it like didn't occur to him that 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:25.480 maybe when they look at your passport, like maybe maybe 0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:27.840 the US government like anticipated that you would do this, 0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:30.400 but so he throw looks at his at his passport. 0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:33.000 It was like mm, the US government says, do not 0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:35.240 pass go, do not collect two hundred dollars, do not 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.400 proceed to Nazi asylum. And they turn him back. Now 0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:41.040 mind you, he's not arrested yet, right, They just won't 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:42.080 let him go to Ukraine. 0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:46.360 Interesting, so he he doesn't. He doesn't get to London though. 0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:50.480 I think he gets to London and they were like, no, 0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:51.640 you can't, you can't go. 0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:54.200 I don't know how he got that far. Yeah, yeah, 0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:55.720 that is that is intriguing. 0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:59.560 So back in California he walked to Mexico. 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:03.560 Yeah, which is which is part of his tea tie 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:04.880 with Robert Rundo advice. 0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:07.960 Right, So like he literally went on foot over the 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:10.520 US Mexico border to avoid passport control and then he 0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:14.160 travel over land through Mexico into l Salvador, YEP, where 0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.879 he presumably intended to try getting on a plane. Again. 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.279 You need you need to get far enough south so 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:22.560 that when you fly you don't cross over American airspace. 0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.799 Other people in ram have tried this and have not 0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:29.120 gone far south enough and their plane crosses over like 0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:32.160 the tip of US airsplace around Florida, and then they 0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:35.680 get flagged so that when they land they get they 0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:37.080 get like arrested or turned back. 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:40.000 See that's so tricky, Like I be playing funny. I've 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.760 got a plane ticket recently for vacation. I'm not fleeing 0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:43.640 the country or anything. 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:44.600 Molly's flying. 0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:48.480 Everyone actually don't even have a passport. But when you 0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:50.520 buy a plane ticket, they do not provide for you 0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:53.759 a sort of schematic of the flight path. So I 0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.160 don't know how they're figuring this out. I guess they're not. 0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:59.040 If it's not a rundo. I think typically tries to 0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:00.440 get far enough south that he he just gets a 0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:03.480 direct flight to somewhere in like the Middle East or 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:04.320 eastern Europe. 0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:06.560 Well, I don't know if it would have worked, because 0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:09.120 when he got to l Salvador, the plane that he 0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:12.520 got on was not headed to Ukraine. It was headed 0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:16.840 back to lax in the company of some FBI agents hope, 0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:20.320 So they brought him back and he was formally arrested 0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:23.520 in the La airport when they brought him back. Very 0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:26.080 funny because in the weeks that he had spent trying 0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:29.279 to get away, the indictment against him had come back 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:43.800 and he was also being charged. So after Judge Carnie 0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:46.440 dropped the charges the first time back in twenty nineteen, 0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:49.040 Rondo got his passport back and immediately left the country again, 0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:52.200 traveling to Europe visiting other fascist fight clubs. And so, 0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:54.480 you know, in this time period, the US Attorney is 0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.479 appealing the dismissal of the charges, like they they want 0:35:57.480 --> 0:35:59.960 to bring this case. They're you know, they're waiting for 0:35:59.960 --> 0:36:03.239 the Ninth Circuit to hear them, but they're watching him 0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.920 cavorting around Eastern Europe and they're like they're filing motions 0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:09.759 saying like, we really got to get him back, Like 0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:13.480 he's at a Nazi rally in Hungary. He's he's got 0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:15.880 a podcast. He's got a podcast where he's telling people 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:19.920 how to evade capture by getting foreign passports, Like we 0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:22.960 got to get him back. And so when the charges 0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.319 were finally reinstated by the Ninth Circuit in twenty twenty one, 0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:27.879 he'd been formally expelled from Serbia, where he'd been living, 0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:31.000 and he was eventually arrested in and extradited from Romania. 0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:34.000 And then when Judge Corney dismissed the charges again two 0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:36.920 weeks ago, and the Ninth Circuit was like, we got 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:38.680 to get him back. Do you know where they found him? 0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:42.759 The Mexican border. Oh curious, who could have predicted? 0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:43.359 Huh? 0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:46.440 So, like he really loves leaving the country. 0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:48.880 Time is a flat circle. 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:52.640 Right, So Karnie lets him out. He tries to leave 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:55.000 the country again. Immediately the Ninth Circuit says, hold on, 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:58.840 let's bring him back. And because this system works just 0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:02.879 the most like insane imaginable ways, Like I guess when 0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:04.880 they wrote how this was gonna work, they just assumed 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:06.759 everyone would act in good faith and they didn't put 0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:09.480 anything in for when that's not what happens. 0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:11.920 You know, I'm pretty sure that's in the Constitution. You 0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:16.200 have to assume good faith intentions. I believe the sixty 0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:18.280 ninth Amendment. You have to assume good faith. 0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:20.520 Everyone's gonna be normal about this. We don't need to 0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:22.799 build in any contingencies here. So every time the Ninth 0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:27.560 Circuit is like, ooh, Judge Carney, that's nuts, they just 0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:30.240 have to send it back to him. They it doesn't 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:32.160 get sent to a different judge. It's just they just 0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:34.000 keep sending it back to the guy who is bound 0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:37.600 and determined to ruin this right. So it gets sent 0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:39.960 back to Judge Carney. This case is still in front 0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:42.680 of Judge Carney. So the Ninth Circuit they put him 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.520 back in and Judge Charney's like, I'm a limb back out, 0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:48.320 and the Ninth Circuit's like, no, you really really can't 0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:51.799 do that. You really can't do that. And he's being 0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.520 kind of a pissy little baby about this right. Like, 0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:58.440 the Ninth Circuit issues an order saying, like, no one 0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:02.200 can let him out but us. If he gets let out, 0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:04.480 it will because we said so no one can let 0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:06.799 him out, you can't do it. The Ninth Circuit said, 0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:08.560 So we're up here on top. 0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:11.640 Of one side. This is fascism, this is tyranny. This 0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:14.800 is fascist of but the but the bad kind, the 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.040 kind I don't like Robert Rundo. 0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:19.400 So Carney's on the bench and he's like, well, I 0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:22.319 really want to though, and so he issues an order 0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:26.279 saying like he's released, but I'm going to stay my 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:27.759 own order. I mean, like, you know, I'm gonna enter 0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:29.880 this order saying he's released, but like it won't go 0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:32.080 into effect because technically I'm not allowed. 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:34.319 It's such a just such a door key of like 0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:37.400 pissed baby tantramoved from a judge. 0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:41.480 Like you're beating a real baby Cormac, And he says, quote, 0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:43.440 I would like to be in a position to release 0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:45.319 him right now and let him walk out the door. 0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:49.240 Well you can't. You can't. So it gets like stupid 0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:51.920 messy here, right, So the ninth Circuit put him back 0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:54.520 in and it comes back to Carney, and Carney's like, well, 0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:58.040 this arrest wasn't even legal. I should let him out 0:38:58.080 --> 0:38:59.960 because this you can't even you couldn't put him back. 0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:04.480 You can't arrest someone without there being cause for a crime. 0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:09.920 Well, it is a little bit messy here, right, So 0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:16.239 Carney argues that Roundo's rearrest wasn't legal because he dismissed 0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:20.000 the case. So technically, when Rundo was arrested again, there 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:23.320 was no charge against him. There is currently because the 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:26.520 indictment was dismissed. You know, the prosecutors appealing that that dismissal. 0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:28.799 Maybe it'll get reinstated like it did last time. But 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:32.560 like right now, he is not charged with the crime. 0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:34.719 Which is which is ridiculous because there's so many other 0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:35.920 things you could charge. 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:37.560 Him with, right, just like find a different crime. 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:40.239 Like there's like between all of his between all of 0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:43.719 his passport stuff, between all of his crossing the border, like, 0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:47.920 there's there's so much other there's so many other things 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:49.640 that you could you could decide to charge him with. 0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.640 Surely some FBI agent has been sort of keeping tabs 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:54.640 on his activities and they could come up with something. 0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:57.839 But as it stands, when he was re arrested, there 0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:01.399 was no charge, right, Yeah, So the Ninth Circuit does 0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:04.080 have the authority to stay the release order. So Carney 0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:07.600 issued a release order saying let him out of jail, right, 0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:11.279 And so the prosecutor was like, we need an emergency 0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:14.759 hearing in front of the Ninth Circuit on that release order. 0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:16.920 So Carney issues the release order. The prosecutor goes to 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:19.480 the Ninth Circuit and say, we need you to push 0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:23.279 the pause button on the implementation of this order. That's 0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:26.920 really normal, that should have been what happened. But because 0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:30.360 he was released immediately, you know, before they had a 0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:34.920 chance to get heard by the Ninth Circuit, Carney's argument, 0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:38.000 which I think may maybe true here, right, is that 0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:41.480 by the time the Ninth Circuit heard the motion to 0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:45.439 stay the release order. It was moot. They can't hear 0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:49.239 argument on a motion that doesn't mean anything. You can't 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:52.600 stay an order that's already been implemented. So once the 0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:54.880 release order was carried out and Rondo was no longer 0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:58.200 physically in custody, there was no order to stay. So 0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:01.440 the Ninth Circuit had nothing to rule on, so they 0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:05.080 they rearrested him, saying like, we're staying the release order, 0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:08.600 but the order of operations there is kind of key. 0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:12.839 At the next hearing, Carney said, I must tell you 0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:15.640 from the little things I've read, I'm quite concerned. I 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:21.400 feel mister Rundo is being unconstitutionally detained, and it's it's messy, 0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:23.239 and I don't know what the right answer is here, right, Like, 0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:26.080 it's not unusual for someone to stay in custody pending appeal, 0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:29.880 especially if they have repeatedly attempted and succeeded at fleeing 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:33.160 the country. Yeah, and Carney's refusal to stay the release 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:35.400 order kind of makes you wonder if he didn't create 0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:37.600 this procedural nightmare intentionally. 0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:42.399 Sure, he kind of created this legal dilemma that now 0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:46.799 puts Rundo's incarceration in actually like a point of question. 0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.680 Right, Like he had to know that when the Ninth 0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:53.919 Circuit did hear this motion, they would probably reverse him. 0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:57.400 He had to know that, and he absolutely knew Rondo 0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:00.799 would flee the country before that could happen. And he's 0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:04.840 not wrong that it looks a little a little questionable 0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.000 to issue it arrest warrant when there is no live 0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:10.520 charge or the end result that Rondo is in custody 0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:12.960 pending some kind of further ruling from the Ninth Circuit. 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:16.920 That's not weird, that's really normal. But everything that happened 0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:21.840 in between is a mess. I don't know what the 0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:26.440 answer to that is. I mean, I mean, as nuts 0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:30.719 as Carney is behaving like, he is probably right that 0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:33.440 you can't make a ruling on a moot motion and 0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:35.399 you can't arrest someone who's not charged with a crime, 0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:38.120 like those things are true. But I don't know what 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:40.799 the answer is here, and I think it's his fault, yeap. 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:45.600 So at this point, right the government is appealing Carney's 0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:47.719 dismissal of the charges, just like they did back in 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:50.839 twenty nineteen. Remember that it took almost two years from 0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:53.759 the original dismissal to the Ninth Circuit ruling reversing and 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:57.279 remanding the case in twenty twenty one, so this could 0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:59.400 take a while. At this point, what the government is 0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:02.560 asking for a stay of the release order to keep 0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:05.440 him in custody while they work through this appeals process 0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:08.040 because they are appealing the dismissal of the indictment. I 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:10.160 don't expect a lot of movement on that this week. 0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:13.440 I think the docket shows that the appellance brief is 0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:16.480 due on the twelfth today as we're recording this as 0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:19.560 the fourth, so they'll file that brief. They may file 0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:22.279 more sort of emergency petitions for his release. I'm not 0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:25.719 sure the Ninth Circuit will do that, but is anybody's 0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:27.760 guess at this point, because it's kind of a big mess. 0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:30.520 The only thing that is clear is that only the 0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:33.040 Ninth Circuit can let Rob Rundo out. 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:39.560 Well what a what A? What an enticing Rundo down 0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:44.480 have the legal events of this case. Don't want to 0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:45.840 be in that position. 0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:50.640 You know, Garrison. I'm not sure that you'll ever be 0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:55.319 in this position. I hope not, at least not in 0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:59.000 this exact one, unless you're running a secret Nazi gang 0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:02.520 that I do not know about, in which case, disavow, disavow. 0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:05.800 Okay, that's good, that's good. Yeah you should, that's probably 0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:06.279 the right move. 0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:09.759 But so it'll take some time. 0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:13.480 I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what else there 0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:14.040 is to say. 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:19.000 This is like sort of inciting a lot of active 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:20.840 club activity. You were saying earlier that the you know 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.320 ram doesn't exist anymore. It's morphed into these active clubs. 0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:25.799 There's these cells all over the country and they are 0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:28.040 fired up about this. So I think this has the 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:33.680 potential to incite more political violence, or at the very. 0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:39.480 Least, incite more T shirt sales, which would be just 0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:41.680 as horrified to see those things out in the. 0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:45.279 Wild, already marketing free rundo merch. Yeah. 0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:47.600 I bet, yeah. 0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:50.680 I guess even Nazis have constitutional rights. 0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:55.400 I guess they do. Although it does feel again slightly 0:44:55.560 --> 0:45:00.640 uh insidious at the selective non enforcement of some of 0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:05.400 these things where there's many, many people who are being held, 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:08.160 especially like in Atlanta, it's been many people being helped 0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:11.000 with out bail because they've been deemed a flight risk 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.839 for a long long time for crimes. 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:18.160 Not because they hold like a Serbian passport. No, no, 0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:22.200 just because they intended a music festival, right. I Mean 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:25.200 it's hard to get like super fired up about rob 0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:27.759 Rundo's constitutional rights in terms of this sort of like 0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:31.680 procedural quagmire when it's like people are actively and intentionally 0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:34.120 violating everyone else's constitutional rights constantly. 0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:36.520 Yeah, Like, the only thing I left to think of 0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:38.880 is how this whole system of law does not seem 0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:42.600 to work very much, and especially we often point out 0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:45.640 how a whole bunch of laws get put in place 0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:50.480 and are like ostensibly framed like combat white supremacist terrorism 0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:54.600 or whatever, and in actuality really only get used against 0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:58.640 people fighting for like the rights of black people, people 0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:02.480 fighting for getting trans people not to be murdered. Like 0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:05.120 that's that's really what all these laws get targeted against, 0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:09.440 and they faced so so much more harsh punishment because 0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:11.720 we have we have a judge who's treating rob Rundo 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:15.880 like a little a little baby, who's this innocent little creature. Meanwhile, 0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:20.400 people can get constantly locked up for completely bullshit charges 0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:22.920 in other parts of the country for engaging in like 0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:27.399 actually like pretty pretty valid acts of protest not even 0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:30.920 related to any like alleged violence. Like there's it's it's 0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:35.040 it's quite it's quite frustrating to to to look at. Yes, 0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:38.600 there is actually a decent case of selective enforcement here, and. 0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:39.840 It's the other way around. 0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:43.920 Yeah, it is not in fact that they're letting Antifa 0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:47.840 run wild and burn down cities. In fact, these these 0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:52.440 these Nazis get treated like little little innocent First Amendment 0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:57.640 defenders as they purposely like talk about and brag about 0:46:57.640 --> 0:47:00.000 their claims of traveling across the country to assault peace 0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:05.800 people and start riots. Anyway, Well, that's that's not great. 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:07.880 Things are not good. 0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:11.640 I hope only the worst for Rundo, regardless of whatever 0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:14.239 legal thing happens, just like in general, like I like, 0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:18.480 I I wish him bad, just like in life, you know, 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:20.360 like I hope you like trips and falls down the stairs, 0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:22.960 you know, just like in general, like stub is Toe 0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:27.040 really bad gets. 0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:28.919 About this situation, Like there are a million outcomes here 0:47:28.960 --> 0:47:32.080 that are the dumbest possible ending to this story. So 0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:35.560 I'm not holding my breath for you know, some brilliant 0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.879 prosecutor to save the day here. But I do hope 0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:42.080 that that Rob Rundo continues to have a bad day regardless. 0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:48.560 Yeah, well, thank you for this lovely piece of legal research, Molly. 0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:51.840 Now I have to close eighty seven tabs. 0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:53.960 That is always the joy of wrapping up one of 0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:56.520 these episodes. It's closing the ridiculous amount of tabs that 0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:59.840 are open, because at at any moment in my research process, 0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:02.120 any of my friends looks at my computer, they are 0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:06.640 horrified by the stress that I'm putting my own ram 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:10.840 through different ram, the other ram than the Yeah it 0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:12.359 is computer computer ram not. 0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:14.400 Also under considerable strain at this time. 0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:17.440 Yeah, exactly. Well, right, I feel like that's that's as 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:19.320 bad enough a joke to end it on as anything 0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:22.200 else where. Can people find you online? Way? 0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:25.919 Oh gosh? Yeah, I am online at Socialist dog Mom 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:30.080 on Twitter, on my newsletter on ghost the Devil's Advocates, 0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:32.600 and I don't know my dogs have an Instagram that 0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:36.000 I haven't updated lately. It's auto m Buck does it 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:37.080 for me? How about you, Garrison? 0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.800 Oh, you can find me documenting my process of slowly 0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:43.480 turning my entire apartment into the Black Lodge on Twitter 0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:48.480 at Hungry Bowtie. All right, wow, you you can actually 0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:50.480 see a little bit of it behind me. It's kind 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:53.320 of dark, but you can see a glimmer of red curtains. 0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:55.200 Yes, spooky back there, It. 0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:57.359 Is quite spooky back there. Wait until I turn Wait 0:48:57.400 --> 0:48:58.440 until I turn on the strobe light. 0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:02.200 All right, thank you for joining me today, Garrison. 0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:06.120 All right, thank you, Molly. 0:49:09.640 --> 0:49:12.040 It could Happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:14.880 For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:18.080 coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:21.279 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:24.000 find sources for It Could Happen Here, updated monthly at 0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:27.280 coolzonemedia dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.