1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to it could happen here. I 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: am once again you're a guest host, Molly Conger, and 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: joining me today is our friend Garrison. 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 3: Hello. Excited to get the Robert Rundo run down. 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: So you already know what we are talking about today. 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: It is a guy that you probably already know more 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: about than you ever wanted to. It is Rob Rundo, 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: the founder of the Nazi fight club the Rise Above movement. 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: You and Robert did a great two part Behind the 11 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: Bastards on RAM back in twenty twenty one. 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 3: Which is shockingly three years ago, which does not sound right, 13 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 3: but I guess is the case. 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 2: It's been a long three years for you, but an 15 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 2: even stranger one for Rob. 16 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been really a country hopic a lot the 17 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 3: past few years. 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: Huh, he's been busy. So when you recorded that episode 19 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: back in January of twenty twenty one, Rundo's federal charges 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: had been dismissed by Judge corn mat Karney in twenty nineteen. 21 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals overturned that decision in 22 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: March twenty twenty one, right around the time the episode 23 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: came out. I think at the end of the second 24 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: episode you had a PostScript, like an adendum you recorded afterwards, 25 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: because before it came out, the Ninth Circuit ruling had 26 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: been issued. Okay, okay, But in an almost comical turn 27 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: of events, Judge Carney has once again dismissed those charges 28 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: two weeks ago. 29 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 3: Now, so three years later, a few countries later, hopping 30 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 3: from from Serbia to the United States to probably other 31 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 3: places around Europe. 32 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're sort of back in the same position 33 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: you were in when you talked about him three years ago. 34 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 3: Times that's circle. 35 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: But before we get into one of the sort of 36 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: strangest legal slap fights I've ever read, let's back up 37 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: for a second. Who is Rob Rundo and what was 38 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: he charged with? Yeah, So, if you want a more 39 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: robust look at the early days of the Rise Above movement, 40 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: recommend going back and listening to that Behind the Bastards 41 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: two parter on the Rise Above Movement. It originally aired 42 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: in March twenty twenty one, So like, really scroll back 43 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: in your podcast app but we'll do a quick recap 44 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: here because it's not I can't assign the listener homework. 45 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: So so the Rise Above movement first emerged in early 46 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, after a brief period of being called the 47 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 2: DIY Division both stupid dames. I don't know which one's better, 48 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 2: but RAM, We're just gonna call them RAM. In twenty 49 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: seventeen was a big year for political violence. It was 50 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: it was really hot that year. The group was, on 51 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 2: its surface, a mixed martial arts club for white men. 52 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: They trained together and bonded over their shared and abhorrent 53 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: political views. In their own words, they are fighting against 54 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: the modern world corrupted by the destructive cultural influences of liberals, Jews, Muslims, 55 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 2: and immigrants, you know, and gay people and gay people. Yeah, 56 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: I'm just pretty much pretty much everybody except you know 57 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: themselves down. 58 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. 59 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: Essentially, if you were not a member of the Nazi 60 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: Fight Club, you are a victim of the Nazi fight club. 61 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 3: That's the first rule of Nazi fight sure. 62 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: Whatever. 63 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: The first rule of Nazi fight Club was not don't 64 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: talk about Nazi fight club. 65 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: And I think that's because they shut it. They cannot 66 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: stop talking. 67 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: Like if they had just followed the first rule of 68 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: fight club, they might not be in this position. But 69 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: RAM quickly became a staple at rallies in southern California 70 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: that year. In the spring and summer of twenty seventeen, 71 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: they kept showing up and kept throwing punches. In March, 72 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: members assaulted journalists and counter protesters at a MAGA rally 73 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: in Huntington Beach. In April, they assaulted numerous counter protesters 74 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: at a rally in Berkeley. In August, RAM members attended 75 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: Unite the Right in Charlottesville and assaulted counter protesters in 76 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: the streets. Again. And you know, they're not just going 77 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: to these events and getting in fights, right, They're not 78 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: just like showing up and just like it just happens. 79 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: They're going to these events planning on committing these assaults 80 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: and then bragging about the assaults publicly and privately. They're 81 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: using these acts of violence as propaganda and recruitment tools, 82 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: right like they're making little videos they're posting about it. 83 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: It's not just about committing the assault. So the violence 84 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: is not just about physically hurting people. It's part of 85 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: a larger strategy to incite others to join them in 86 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 2: this project. And that's I mean, you already know this. 87 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: You covered that in your episode three years ago. This 88 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: is for everybody else. 89 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 3: And there, and they're still going. Unfortunately, these these they're 90 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 3: now often called active clubs, are more popular than what 91 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 3: they were three years ago. They've they've become a very 92 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 3: a very big staple of white supremacist organizing across the 93 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: United States and Canada, mirroring a lot of organizational styles 94 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 3: in Eastern Europe. There's probably one in your area that 95 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 3: you might not know about. They are active on telegram, 96 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 3: they're actively recruiting. They recruit from high schools. Is a 97 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: big increasing problem. As Patriot Front becomes more and more 98 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: like fed jacketed between their owned Nazi ranks, we have 99 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: see more people plugging into these these active clubs. 100 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: Right RAM did not go away. It's just sort of morphed. 101 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 2: And so back in twenty seventeen, you know, they said 102 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: they had a lot of members. They probably had like 103 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: twenty But now these active clubs just they do genuinely 104 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: have chapters all over the country. Yeah, but back in 105 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: the past, right so, after Unite the Right RAM members 106 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 2: decided to lay off the rallies a little bit, you know, 107 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: being seen on camera beating a woman into the pavement 108 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: at a rally that ended in a hate crime murder 109 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: invited some bad press, and they weren't looking to get 110 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: door knocks at that particular moment, so they backed off 111 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: a little bit at the end of twenty seventeen, but 112 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: they'd spent most of that year attending rallies and getting 113 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: into physical altercations. It wasn't until over a year after 114 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: Unite the Right in October of twenty eighteen, that there 115 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: was any attempt to do anything about this very obvious problem. 116 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: You know, the criminal complaint itself even says that some 117 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: of these assaults were committed in plain view of cops 118 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: who just stood there and did nothing while these guys 119 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: beat the shit out of people in the streets. You know, 120 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: they're in each other's dms, bragging about kicking a woman 121 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: in the head while she's lying on the ground, but 122 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: nobody lifted a finger to stop them. But in October 123 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: of twenty eighteen, two cases were filed. One in the 124 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 2: Western District of Virginia, charges were filed against Ben Dalley, 125 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: Cole White, Thomas Gillen, and Michael Miscelis, And a few 126 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: weeks later, in the Central District of California, charges were 127 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: filed against Rob Rundo, Robert Bowman, Tyler Loub and Aaron Eeson, 128 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 2: So all eight of them, four in each district. All 129 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: eight of them were charged under the Federal Riot Act 130 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: and conspiracy to riot. I think it was Robert who 131 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: said in the original RAM episode, you know, like if 132 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: at any point early on, like if at any point 133 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: in those first few months of this happening, there had 134 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 2: been any kind of intervention, if anyone had been arrested 135 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: in the act, maybe this could have been nipped in 136 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 2: the butt and a lot of what happens later wouldn't 137 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 2: have happened. 138 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: Or even if they were like beaten up, like if 139 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: like if a group of like Eddie Fastists like beat 140 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: them up, that would disidentifize them from going to future 141 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 3: events to try to beat other people. Right, Like, violence 142 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 3: is actually very good at doing this specific thing. And 143 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: if you feel like you're going to go somewhere to 144 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: get beat up, you probably don't want to go there. 145 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: And even like divorce from the actions of the state 146 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 3: like that is that is a demotivating factor which has 147 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: been effective against Proud Boys in Portland. Now, obviously some 148 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: of these guys, especially the RAM crew, go there with 149 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 3: the express interest of getting into fights so that's something 150 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 3: you should definitely consider. But yeah, like if as long 151 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: as they have a bad time, it makes them not 152 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 3: want to come to these things. But when they're able 153 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: to just beat up anyone they want to without any pushback, 154 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, it becomes like a fun thing. It 155 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 3: becomes like a large amount of incentive is gained for 156 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: going to a rally, whether that's in Huntington Beach or 157 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: halfway across the country. 158 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 159 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: I mean, they were having a great time and there 160 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: was no there was no movement to stop this, and 161 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: it's hard to know why it took over a year 162 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: for any charges to get brought. I think you speculated 163 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: in that ram episode a few years ago that it 164 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: was public pressure after that end up reporting came out 165 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: of mainstream press. But going back over the timeline and 166 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: that pro public apiece came out in October twenty seventeen, 167 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 2: that was just two months after Unite the Right and 168 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: a whole year before those charges were filed, it's not 169 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: really possible to know why they waited so long unless 170 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: some you know, young US attorney wants to level with 171 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: us about it. 172 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 3: But I don't foresee that, but probably not. 173 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: Just you know, what's going on behind the scenes. But 174 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: I do have one sort of interesting little anecdote. A 175 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: couple months ago, I was at an event here in Charlesville. 176 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: It was a panel discussion, and one of the speakers 177 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: was the US Attorney for the Western District of Virginia, 178 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: Chris Cavanaugh. He was speaking to a group of people 179 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: about the work that he does, and he's talking about 180 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 2: the work that he did on some of these sort 181 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: of extremism cases after Unite the Right. Back in twenty eighteen, 182 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: he was the assistant US attorney here. He's been promoted 183 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: since then, but he worked on the James Fields case, 184 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: and he worked on the RAM case that was filed 185 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: here in Virginia, and he said something really interesting that 186 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about before. So right after Unite the 187 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: Right in August twenty seventeen, a bunch of FBI agents 188 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: were assigned to, you know, check out what how here 189 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 2: at this mass casualty event. Right, they had the resources 190 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: to investigate and try to develop cases. You know, I 191 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 2: love my documents. I spent a lot of time in 192 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: the documents, so I've actually seen you know, they got 193 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 2: some federal search warrants. It was actually an FBI agent 194 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: who dug the round that Richard Preston fired at Corey 195 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: Long out of the mulch In Market Street Park. You know, 196 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: they got search warrants for social media for a couple 197 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 2: of guys who ended up prosecuted locally, Alex Ramos, Richard Preston, 198 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: and New Borton. So it looks like they were trying 199 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: to develop hate crime cases, right, Like that federal warrant 200 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: they got for Richard Preston's Twitter account said that they 201 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: were developing a hate crime case and they never did so, 202 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 2: Like right after Unite the Right, they're getting these warrants, 203 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: they're developing these cases. But back to that event that 204 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: I was at with Chris Kavanaugh, the US Attorney, He said, 205 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: when the Las Vegas shooting happened in October of twenty seventeen, 206 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: they lost their task force. They had this huge volume 207 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: of agents working trying to develop Unite the Right cases. 208 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: When that shooting happened two months later, they all got reassigned. 209 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: He was left like a skeleton crew, and they just 210 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: didn't have the resources to develop these cases. Like, I 211 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: don't know how the FBI is managing their resources internally 212 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 2: so badly. That they can only handle one mass casualty 213 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 2: event at a time, or why the Washington Field office 214 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: was so heavily impacted by a shooting in Nevada. But 215 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: that is what he said, So take that as you will. 216 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 2: And I think that theory is at least in part 217 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: supported by the fact that the federal charges against James 218 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 2: Fields didn't get brought until June of twenty eighteen. Right 219 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: he'd been charged locally for the car attack that killed 220 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: how they higher, but the federal charges didn't pop up 221 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: until June of twenty eighteen, So I don't know if 222 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 2: maybe something shifted in terms of resources in their office 223 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: that summer, I don't know. It's interesting to think about. 224 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 2: But then so in you know, back to October of 225 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, right when these two different RAM cases get filed. 226 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 2: Virginia's case was actually filed first. It was filed a 227 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: few weeks before the case in California, So I don't know. 228 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: I assumed they were in communication about that, but I 229 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: don't have any special insight into what their federal prosecute 230 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: was doing. But it's also possible that it just takes 231 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: the government a whole ass year to do anything. No 232 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 2: matter what right. In a recent filing in the Rundo case, 233 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 2: the government's talking about how this investigation was developed, and 234 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: it says, you're gonna shit a break Garrison. It says 235 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: that the FBI investigation into RAM only started when a 236 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: bartender in La called the FBI a few weeks after 237 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: Unite the Right because he overheard a patron Ben Day 238 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: quote gleefully bragging about having caused havoc during the riots. Amazing, 239 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: and he also quote bragged about hitting a guy and 240 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: punching a girl in the face during protests in Berkeley. 241 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,599 Speaker 2: So that first comment was about Charlesville. He had just 242 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 2: come home from Charlesville. He was talking about how he 243 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: caused havoc. He's bragging about punching people in Berkeley, and 244 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 2: the bartender's like, hmm, that's kind of that's suspicious, suspicious. 245 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: This unnamed complainant also told the FBI that Daily and 246 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 2: other RAM members had come to the bar often and 247 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: sometimes used it for recruitment. They were recruiting the patrons 248 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: at this bar, and based on what he overheard, he 249 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 2: told the FBI that the group quote did not care 250 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: about the issues regarding the statues in Charlottesville. But rather 251 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: a quote enjoyed going to protests just to raise havoc, 252 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: cause trouble and fight. So it wasn't until a bartender 253 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: called the FBI to be like, Hey, this guy's talking 254 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 2: about like doing a lot of gang violence. I don't 255 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: know if you guys know about this. And according to 256 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: that same court filing, the FBI took until January of 257 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, so a few weeks after Unite the Right 258 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: and maybe we're looking at September. It took them three 259 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: or four more months until January of twenty eighteen to 260 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: discover in the course of their investigation that RAM was 261 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: based in southern California. 262 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: Great work, great work, everybody, fantastic stuff. 263 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 2: They're on it now, Garrison. And so at this point, 264 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: the LA Field Office opens an investigation into members in 265 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: the area. Now I kind of hope this isn't true, right, 266 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 2: Like I hope that this is not a correct summary 267 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 2: of the of these events, because if it really took 268 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: someone calling the FBI to say, like, hey, I heard 269 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 2: a guy bragging about doing crime in sem. 270 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 3: That definitely happed. No, that is definitely how this went down. 271 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 3: Absolutely that makes so much sense. 272 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: But then it took three months of investigating to figure 273 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: out that the guys who recruit for their Nazi gang 274 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: at a bar in LA probably live in La. 275 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that is This is kind of 276 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 3: how the FBI investigates white supremasist groups. 277 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: But like. 278 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 3: They have they're too busy investigating teenagers in black hoodies. 279 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 3: They can't they can't bother to spare the manpower for this. 280 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: There's Antifa out there. 281 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: By the time they got this tip from the bartender, 282 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: that Pro Publica article was already out. Why did it 283 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: take them three months to find out that the guys 284 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 2: whose names were already in the newspaper lived in California. 285 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. 286 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 3: I don't trust anyone who lives in Virginia. 287 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: So it took them a few months, Right, it took 288 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 2: some time. I hope that's not true, but it is 289 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: what the government has put on the record as the truth. 290 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: So anyway, that's how this case starts. Right, So, these 291 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 2: eight members of RAM are charged for in Virginia for 292 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: in California with rioting and conspiracy to riot. Just for 293 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 2: efficiency's sake, I'll just say that the cases in Virginia 294 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: are fully resolved. Daily Miss Eliskillen, and White all pleaded guilty. 295 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: There were some later unsuccessful appeals where when they after 296 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: they saw what happened in the California cases, they were like, ooh, 297 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: actually us too, can we But that didn't work and 298 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: their convictions stood. And that's all over. 299 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 3: Where is daily now? Is he out again? There he's out. 300 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 3: The he's out? Yeah yeah yeah. 301 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: White didn't get any additional time after his plea because 302 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: he was so cooperative, and the other three all got 303 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: less than three years. 304 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, so they're out. 305 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: But these California cases where Roundo is charged, they have 306 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: been a mess from day one, so the charge October 307 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. In twenty nineteen, Judge Corn Matt Carney dismissed 308 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: the charges in California, saying that the Riot Act was 309 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: unconstitutionally overbroad and its application violated the defendant's First Amendment rights. 310 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 3: So true, First Amendment defender here, that's right, travel across 311 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: state lines to riot endorsed by this judge. 312 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: That's free speech. Garrison like love it or leave it, 313 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: go back to Canada. So the prosecutor appealed that ruling 314 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: because it was hawk garbage. And the ninth Circuit agreed 315 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: it takes a long time for things to get appealed. 316 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: It's like slower than watching grass grow. So the Ninth 317 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: Circuit reversed that ruling in March of twenty twenty one, 318 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: reinstating the indictments. Things move really so, so you know, it 319 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: took two years for them to reverse it and then 320 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: another year to enter the order. So it wasn't until 321 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: February of twenty twenty two that the case was formally reopened. 322 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: In which case, around this time, Rondo's trying to like 323 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 3: hide in Eastern Europe and eventually get sent back to 324 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 3: the United States. Curiously, around the same time that Andrew Tate. 325 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: Does God imagine an Andrew tape Rob Rundo fight. Oh okay, 326 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 3: I wouldn't pay money because I don't want to support them, 327 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 3: but I would love to watch that. 328 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: Actually send them both back to Romania and let them fight. 329 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly. 330 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: So, by the time that the California ram defendants are 331 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: re indicted on the original charges, it's January of twenty 332 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: twenty three, and only three of them get re indicted 333 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: because Aaron Eeson has died. 334 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: So sad. 335 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: It doesn't say much. 336 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 3: More than that a tragic loss of life. 337 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't want to I guess I 338 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: don't want to speculate because it doesn't say on the record, 339 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 2: and I was unable to determine. I can't find anything 340 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: other than the court record dismissing his charges because he 341 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: was dead. I can't find any record of his death. 342 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: It must have just been, you know, private. But you know, 343 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: you were talking about that RAM episode a couple of 344 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: years ago about how you know they're all about clean 345 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: living and fighting. 346 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 3: They're all straight edge, except for all of the ones 347 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 3: who do trucks. 348 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 2: A lot of them have really serious drug problems. And 349 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: I don't know for a fact what was going on 350 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 2: with Aaron Eesan, but I know Robert Bowman had some 351 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 2: trouble staying out on bond due to a very severe 352 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 2: meth addiction. Yes, yes, so I don't know what happened 353 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 2: to Aaron Easton, but very very pure. 354 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 3: You gotta keep the blood line pure. 355 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: So the reindicted January twenty twenty three, And as you 356 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: guys talked about back in twenty twenty one, Rondo had 357 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 2: been living in Serbia for most of this time. He 358 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 2: is overseas making friends doing fight club, doing Nazi stuff. 359 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 3: Hang out, making bad T shirts, doing bad graffiti, mostly 360 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 3: opening up T shirt factories. It's really what he spent 361 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 3: a lot of time. 362 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: SERI really about the merch. You have to merchandise. 363 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 3: That's the Hey, if you took away one thing from 364 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: Revolt against the Modern World, it's that Ovola loved merch. 365 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 3: That's the biggest through line in that works. You got 366 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 3: to sell those stickers, man. 367 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 2: You have to. It's a sort of a pointy shaped operation. Right, 368 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: the guys will the bottom have to keep selling the 369 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 2: stickers to the guys, and he has to make new bottoms. Right, 370 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 2: There's there's no bottom. It is a pyramid scheme. Patriot 371 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: Runt is a pyramid scheme. 372 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 3: Well, and Patriot Front and Rondo had the same sticker 373 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 3: manufacturer for quite a while. Their websites, well, their merch 374 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 3: websites were identical. 375 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: Look, I mean, how many webmasters can these Nazi groups have. 376 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: It's got to be one guy. Yeah, they do not 377 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: have a graphic designer. So anyway, so he's in Serbia 378 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, Serbia made a big show of 379 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: saying like, oh, like he's not welcome here, He's deported 380 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 2: to Bosnia. He was still in Serbia. I think Bell 381 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: and Kat has some great articles tracking exactly where in 382 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: Belgrade Rondo was hanging out. But Serbia was like, no, 383 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: he's not here, we can't he's not welcome here. He's 384 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: in Bosnia and Boni he was like, he's not fucking here. 385 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: He was in Serbia. 386 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 3: He kept trying to lie to He tried to like 387 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 3: like make people think he was somewhere else, but he 388 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: just couldn't stop posting. And if you ever post anything 389 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 3: outside or really even inside you you can be found. 390 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 3: So like, he couldn't stop posting in every single time 391 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: he'd be like, haha, the CIA assets a belly cat 392 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 3: think I'm here when in fact I'm actually over there, 393 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 3: and you're like, no, you're actually right here. It's really 394 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: easy to find out where you are. You posted yourself 395 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 3: standing next to this tree. There's only one type of 396 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 3: this tree in this area. It's obvious you're right here, 397 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 3: and it's. 398 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: Like you can post all you like. If you have 399 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: terminal posting disease, you can keep posting, which is like, 400 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 2: don't post photographs of yourself in a place. 401 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: He can't, he can't stop. He can't stop, won't stop. 402 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 3: My favorite old Rundo laur is that he had this 403 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 3: YouTube series called Tea Time with Robert Rundo that I 404 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 3: still think about about once a week where he would 405 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: give his Nazi followers advice on how to flee the 406 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 3: country if they have a felony while sitting at like 407 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 3: a European cafe, filming on his iPhone. It's the most 408 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 3: it's the funniest thing I've ever seen. 409 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 2: In the same world. Evidence like that would make a 410 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: judge say, I don't think we should let you back 411 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 2: out if you. 412 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 3: Let it tail, considering you made instructions. 413 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: So finally, in March of twenty twenty three, he's freshly reindicted. 414 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 2: In January twenty twenty three. March of twenty twenty three, 415 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 2: the Romanian police are like, we fucking found him, got 416 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 2: he's here in Romania. So he's arrested in Romania and 417 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 2: it takes a few months to sort out all the 418 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: paperwork and get him extradited back to the US in 419 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 2: August of twenty twenty three. You know what won't get 420 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: you indicted on federal felony charges that result in you 421 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 2: being extradited from a Romanian prison. 422 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 3: Listening to these ads as long as we declare them 423 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 3: as my FTC training today taught me how to do. So. Yes, 424 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: these are all paid advertisements. We're not allowed to call 425 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 3: them promoted content. We have to call them ads. These 426 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 3: are advertised I believe that was part of my training today. 427 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 3: So to make sure I don't go to prison enjoy 428 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: these paid advertisements. 429 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: Well, I hope you enjoyed those paid advertisement. 430 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 3: Paid ads. This is weird. We're only airing them because 431 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 3: they're paying us money. These are not our sincere belief. Way. 432 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 3: We can't say that either. There's really no way to win. 433 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 3: There's no way to win here anyway. 434 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to the war against the FTC. 435 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 3: So so true. 436 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 2: So that more or less gets us up to the 437 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: current controversy. So we get Rundo back August twenty twenty three, 438 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: and then February twenty twenty four, about ten days ago, 439 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 2: Judge Carney dismisses the case again. So back in twenty nineteen, 440 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: Carney said, no, there's no crime here. This is just 441 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 2: protective for some m activities. You can't use the Riot Act. 442 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: That's unconstitutional, right, And he dismisses the case and the 443 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 2: Ninth Circuit says, no, no, I don't think so that's 444 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 2: not how we're reading this. You got to take the 445 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 2: case back. So it gets remanded back to the same judge. 446 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: It goes back to Judge Karney, but of course Rendo's 447 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 2: missing now. It takes a while to get him back. 448 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: And so he finally gets his defendant back from his 449 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: Nazi layer in Eastern Europe, he has to come up 450 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: with a new reason why a Nazi street fighting gang 451 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 2: shouldn't be charged with a crime. Okay, So, like it's obvious, 452 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: he just doesn't want to fucking try this case. So 453 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 2: he has to come up with a new reason. And honestly, 454 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 2: I think no shade to the federal public defender, right, 455 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 2: Rendo has a public defender. It is their job to 456 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 2: throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. They're 457 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,239 Speaker 2: providing zealous defense to their clients. So they write up 458 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: what I would say, in my personal opinion, was an 459 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: absolute dogshit motion, and I think maybe they knew that too. 460 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: I don't know, they're just doing their jobs. I think 461 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: Judge Karney would have agreed with whatever they put on paper. 462 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: He gets this motion and he's like, yes, for sure, 463 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: dismissed again. So true, and this time it's selective prosecution. 464 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 2: That if the government wants to charge Ram with riding, 465 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: they would have had to charge Antifa too, because otherwise 466 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: it's not fair. What should they do all the fucking time? 467 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: It's just not fair. 468 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 3: I mean this case does actually like showcase like selective prosecution, 469 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 3: the fact that you are super willing to drop charges 470 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,479 Speaker 3: against a white sutrematist but will send like quote unquote 471 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 3: Antifa gay gay teenagers to prison for going to going 472 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 3: to a BLM protest. Like, yeah, that actually does showactly 473 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 3: exactly how these cases are very selectively prosecuted. 474 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: Right, Like these guys are playing on easy mode and 475 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: as soon as they draw the wrong card, it's like, well, 476 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: this deck is stacked, this deck is stacked, right, and 477 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: so not. I'm like, we talked about this before a Garrison. 478 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 2: I'm not a lawyer, we know this, but I am 479 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 2: an enthusiastic consumer of the law, and I did read 480 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 2: a bunch of law review articles today. Okay, selective prosecution 481 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: sounds like the kind of thing that could work, right, Like, oh, 482 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 2: it's not constitutional to selectively prosecute based on maybe a 483 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: protected characteristic right like if you're only prosecuting black people 484 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 2: for a crime, like, of course that's wrong. But here's 485 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: the thing. It doesn't work. It never works. This is 486 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: not an argument that is effective. I want't say it 487 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 2: never works. It is generally not an effective argument, even 488 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: when a layperson could look at it and say, oh, yeah, 489 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: that is kind fucked up. It just doesn't work. You 490 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 2: can't just walk into court and say, you know, well, 491 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 2: your honor, I was speeding, but so is everybody else 492 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: on the interstate. It's unconstitutional to give me a ticket 493 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 2: unless everyone gets a ticket, right that. It's not how 494 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 2: it works. 495 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 3: They're picking on me. 496 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: It's yeah, you can't just say, you know, other people 497 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: did what I did, but I'm the only one standing here, 498 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 2: so it's not fair. You have to there's an actual 499 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 2: structure to this. Oh Jay got away with it. That 500 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 2: means I should too, right, right, We're not catching every murderer, 501 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 2: so like, yeah, I should get a freebee. 502 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 503 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 2: So you have to show not only that there was 504 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: a particular other individual who engaged in the same conduct 505 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: who was not charged, but also that quote a federal 506 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 2: prosecutorial policy had a discriminatory effect, and it was motivated 507 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 2: by a discriminate tory purpose. So in the speeding ticket analogy, right, 508 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: you'd have to say, you know, I was doing eighty 509 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: in the school zone, but so were these three other 510 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 2: particular women like John, Jane and Gina were all doing 511 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 2: it too, and we all got pulled over. But the 512 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 2: cop only gave me a ticket because he hates men 513 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: or something, right, Like, you would have to. 514 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 3: Show that based miss andres cop. 515 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,959 Speaker 2: Right, So you'd have to show that other people did 516 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 2: the exact same thing you did, and it was possible 517 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 2: for them to have gotten in trouble too, yeah, but 518 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: they didn't because of a particular form of discrimination. 519 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 520 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 2: So in order to make a valid claim of selective prosecution, 521 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: Rondo's lawyers would have to say, Look, here's Joe Antifa, 522 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: a real guy who exists, and here is a materially 523 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 2: similar set of circumstances in which Joe Antifa ran an 524 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: organized group that got into fights on purpose, provoked confrontations, 525 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 2: chase people to their cars, beat women in the streets, 526 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: and then use that footage to recruit people to his gang. 527 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 2: Right Like, here's Joe Antifa bragging online about targeting members 528 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 2: of a particular minority group. Brutal gang assaults at political rallies. 529 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 2: Here's his group actively planning and organizing to travel to 530 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 2: different cities in other states across the country with the 531 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 2: explicit and stated goal of provoking and attacking people. Right, 532 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 2: you can't just say, well, Antifa didn't get charged. You 533 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: have to present an actual person who did what you did, 534 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: not just some other guy who did something you don't 535 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: like or somebody else who maybe did kind of a crime. 536 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: You have to say, this is a specific person and 537 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 2: he did what I did in a materially similar way 538 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: to the same degree that I did it, and with 539 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 2: just as much evidence to support that. 540 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 541 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 2: And in the Ram case, there's so much evidence because 542 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 2: they couldn't stop fucking posting, So they can't produce evidence 543 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: that Antifa, to whatever degree that's a meaningful term here, 544 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 2: engaged in similar behavior to what the evidence shows Ram did. Right, 545 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 2: It's not just other people were fighting. And in this 546 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 2: case that's kind of preposterous because the evidence does show 547 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 2: that they specifically bragged, Like there's a text that was 548 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 2: produced from Ben Daley bragging about how they were first 549 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 2: through the barricades at Berkeley. So you're acknowledging that you 550 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 2: know there was this big riot and that you started it. 551 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: Sure other people were fighting in the riot that you 552 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: started on purpose, So no one else can be similarly 553 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: situated to you, Because even if they were fighting you 554 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 2: started it. There has to be a real, actual, other 555 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 2: person who is similarly situated. That's an actual legal term 556 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: that encompasses a set of criteria. Is there a similar 557 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 2: amount of evidence against this other person? Would it take 558 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 2: a similar amount of state resources to investigate, arrest, and 559 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 2: convict this person. We just don't have an organized, militant 560 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 2: street gang of Antifa that sold branded apparel and bragged 561 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 2: about crimes online. There is no similarly situated, uncharged actor 562 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 2: on the other side of this. That person doesn't exist. 563 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 2: But it's even more than that. Even if we did 564 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 2: have Joe Antifa, the gang leader who's bragging online about 565 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 2: doing this kind of stuff, even if he existed, Even then, 566 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 2: even then there is what's called prosecutorial discretion. There may 567 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 2: be reasons that we just aren't entitled to know about 568 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 2: as to why a prosecutor made the decisions they did 569 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 2: about who gets charged. For a selective prosecution argument to work, 570 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 2: you have to show that this decision was made for 571 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 2: a discriminatory purpose, and that's really hard to do because 572 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 2: they're not going to tell you that, right. You know, 573 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: in an ideal world, selective prosecution would be an argument raised, 574 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 2: you know, about racial bias, because we do know that 575 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 2: there is racial bias and who is investigated, arrested, charged, 576 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: and convicted for crimes, like at every step along the way, 577 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: there's a thumb on the scale against people of color. 578 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: And even then, even when it is so obvious, even 579 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: when you have, you know, a prosecutor who is a 580 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 2: member of the fucking clan, even then these arguments don't 581 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 2: tend to work. This should not have worked. But Judge 582 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 2: Carney clearly just doesn't want this case prosecuted, right. I 583 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 2: think it's it's very obvious that he just like thinks 584 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: Rob Rundo is a nice boy who shouldn't have to 585 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 2: go to jail for this. He is also, i think, notably, 586 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: about to retire. He hits he hits the minimum retirement 587 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 2: age in May, and he is going to retire the 588 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: day that he can. I think Megan Cuniff, who has 589 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: a great blog, Legal Affairs, she's been covering this case. 590 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 2: She noted in a tweet, a few weeks ago that 591 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 2: she knows that he intends to retire because he in 592 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 2: rescheduling some hearings, said that that was the only day 593 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 2: he could go to the retirement benefits class that he 594 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 2: needs to go to to make sure he can retire 595 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 2: the day he's eligible in May. So he just doesn't 596 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: he just doesn't want to deal with this. Right that 597 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 2: this was scheduled to go to trial in March and 598 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 2: he's retiring in May. He just doesn't want to do it. 599 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 3: What's the even the point anymore? What's what? I just 600 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 3: it's like, why, well, why are they even trying here? 601 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 3: Like it just just just like kick the can down 602 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 3: to someone else if you don't want to like deal 603 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 3: with this. I don't know, it's turning this whole like 604 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 3: I don't know. I've read other things from this judge 605 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 3: how he's like he's like very much into like this 606 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 3: big like Antifa conspiracy theory, and. 607 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 2: He's a little bit racist, Like there was an issue 608 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: he's oh, I'm shocked. He was chief judge of the 609 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: circuit briefly, but he had to step down, so he's 610 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: still a judge in the Central District of California. But 611 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 2: he's not the chief judge anymore because he made a 612 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,479 Speaker 2: racist comment to the Clerk of Court. So he's I mean, 613 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 2: I think there's some stuff going on with Judge Carney, 614 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: So I think he knows when he made this ruling 615 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: that like the Ninth Circuit's gonna send it back, but 616 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,479 Speaker 2: that's not gonna be his problem anymore because he's out 617 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: of here in May. So you heard this like absolute 618 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 2: dog shit argument and he was like, so true, King, 619 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 2: this is not fair. You are free to go go ahead, 620 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 2: and he let him out same day, Like he heard 621 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 2: this argument. He was like, absolutely, that's the one. Go 622 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: on home. And he let him out that day. If 623 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 2: he was attorney made a motion for an emergency stay, 624 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: saying like, okay, well, let's just let's not get ahead 625 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 2: of ourselves. Why don't we just hang on to him 626 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 2: till we can talk to the Ninth Circuit about this, 627 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 2: because I don't know. And that's pretty normal. That would 628 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: be normal for the judge to say, let's give it 629 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,479 Speaker 2: a day. I mean, I want him release, but we'll 630 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 2: give it a day. We'll let you get your paperwork 631 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 2: in order. No, he just let him out, just let 632 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: him out right that day and considering his history of 633 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,959 Speaker 2: fleeing the country, not the call I would have made. 634 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 3: It is quite the choice. 635 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 2: So the very next day, the Ninth Circuit was like, 636 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 2: hold on, let's get him back in custity while we 637 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 2: think about this. And it makes no sense for CARNEI 638 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 2: to deny the emergency stay. That would be really normal 639 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: to stay the decision until we have a chance to 640 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: sort of think this through. Right, even if he truly 641 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 2: believed with his whole heart that there's no way that 642 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 2: this would ever get kicked back by the Ninth Circuit, 643 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 2: that the case would stay dismissed and Rundo would be 644 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 2: free to go, it would not be unusual to say, 645 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: you know, well, this has been pretty contentious. The defendant 646 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 2: has fled the country multiple time, so let's just hang 647 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 2: on to him for twenty four forty eight hours while 648 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: we go through the motions of getting that emergency hearing. 649 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: But that's not what happened, because Robert Rundo is the 650 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 2: definition of a flight risk. 651 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 3: Yes he is. Like he's the platonic ideal form of 652 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 3: a flight risk. 653 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 2: I've sat through a lot of bond hearings and I 654 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 2: know we are definitely not all using the same dictionary 655 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 2: here when it comes to what is a flight risk. 656 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: But you really can't find a guy who has done 657 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: more to demonstrate than he absolutely can and will flee 658 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: the country to avoid going back to court. He does 659 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: not want to go to court. So back in twenty eighteen, 660 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 2: when those two prosecutions were initially filed, right, the Virginia 661 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 2: case was filed first, So when Ben Daley was arrested, 662 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 2: the charges hadn't actually been filed yet against rob Rundo. 663 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 2: But I guess when they came to get Ben on 664 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 2: October second, so eighteen days before the charges were filed 665 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 2: against rob Rundo himself, they came to get Ben in 666 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 2: La and he's like, mm, time to get out of dodge. 667 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 2: So I think that was the moment he was like 668 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 2: I gotta go. You know, he knew they might be 669 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 2: coming for him next. So first he tries going to Ukraine, 670 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 2: which is a great place for a militant right wing 671 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: extremists to go hang out with friends, right, And unfortunately 672 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: for him, his flight had a layover in London. I 673 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 2: don't know if it like didn't occur to him that 674 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 2: maybe when they look at your passport, like maybe maybe 675 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 2: the US government like anticipated that you would do this, 676 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: but so he throw looks at his at his passport. 677 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 2: It was like mm, the US government says, do not 678 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 2: pass go, do not collect two hundred dollars, do not 679 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 2: proceed to Nazi asylum. And they turn him back. Now 680 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 2: mind you, he's not arrested yet, right, They just won't 681 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: let him go to Ukraine. 682 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 3: Interesting, so he he doesn't. He doesn't get to London though. 683 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 2: I think he gets to London and they were like, no, 684 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 2: you can't, you can't go. 685 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 3: I don't know how he got that far. Yeah, yeah, 686 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 3: that is that is intriguing. 687 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: So back in California he walked to Mexico. 688 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, which is which is part of his tea tie 689 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 3: with Robert Rundo advice. 690 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 2: Right, So like he literally went on foot over the 691 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 2: US Mexico border to avoid passport control and then he 692 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 2: travel over land through Mexico into l Salvador, YEP, where 693 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 2: he presumably intended to try getting on a plane. Again. 694 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 3: You need you need to get far enough south so 695 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 3: that when you fly you don't cross over American airspace. 696 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 3: Other people in ram have tried this and have not 697 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 3: gone far south enough and their plane crosses over like 698 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 3: the tip of US airsplace around Florida, and then they 699 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 3: get flagged so that when they land they get they 700 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 3: get like arrested or turned back. 701 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 2: See that's so tricky, Like I be playing funny. I've 702 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 2: got a plane ticket recently for vacation. I'm not fleeing 703 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 2: the country or anything. 704 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 3: Molly's flying. 705 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 2: Everyone actually don't even have a passport. But when you 706 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: buy a plane ticket, they do not provide for you 707 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 2: a sort of schematic of the flight path. So I 708 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 2: don't know how they're figuring this out. I guess they're not. 709 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 3: If it's not a rundo. I think typically tries to 710 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 3: get far enough south that he he just gets a 711 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 3: direct flight to somewhere in like the Middle East or 712 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 3: eastern Europe. 713 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if it would have worked, because 714 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 2: when he got to l Salvador, the plane that he 715 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 2: got on was not headed to Ukraine. It was headed 716 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 2: back to lax in the company of some FBI agents hope, 717 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 2: So they brought him back and he was formally arrested 718 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 2: in the La airport when they brought him back. Very 719 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 2: funny because in the weeks that he had spent trying 720 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 2: to get away, the indictment against him had come back 721 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 2: and he was also being charged. So after Judge Carnie 722 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 2: dropped the charges the first time back in twenty nineteen, 723 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 2: Rondo got his passport back and immediately left the country again, 724 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 2: traveling to Europe visiting other fascist fight clubs. And so, 725 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 2: you know, in this time period, the US Attorney is 726 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,479 Speaker 2: appealing the dismissal of the charges, like they they want 727 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 2: to bring this case. They're you know, they're waiting for 728 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 2: the Ninth Circuit to hear them, but they're watching him 729 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 2: cavorting around Eastern Europe and they're like they're filing motions 730 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 2: saying like, we really got to get him back, Like 731 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 2: he's at a Nazi rally in Hungary. He's he's got 732 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 2: a podcast. He's got a podcast where he's telling people 733 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 2: how to evade capture by getting foreign passports, Like we 734 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 2: got to get him back. And so when the charges 735 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 2: were finally reinstated by the Ninth Circuit in twenty twenty one, 736 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 2: he'd been formally expelled from Serbia, where he'd been living, 737 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 2: and he was eventually arrested in and extradited from Romania. 738 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 2: And then when Judge Corney dismissed the charges again two 739 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 2: weeks ago, and the Ninth Circuit was like, we got 740 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 2: to get him back. Do you know where they found him? 741 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 2: The Mexican border. Oh curious, who could have predicted? 742 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: Huh? 743 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 2: So, like he really loves leaving the country. 744 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 3: Time is a flat circle. 745 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 2: Right, So Karnie lets him out. He tries to leave 746 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 2: the country again. Immediately the Ninth Circuit says, hold on, 747 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 2: let's bring him back. And because this system works just 748 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 2: the most like insane imaginable ways, Like I guess when 749 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 2: they wrote how this was gonna work, they just assumed 750 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 2: everyone would act in good faith and they didn't put 751 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 2: anything in for when that's not what happens. 752 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 3: You know, I'm pretty sure that's in the Constitution. You 753 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 3: have to assume good faith intentions. I believe the sixty 754 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,280 Speaker 3: ninth Amendment. You have to assume good faith. 755 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 2: Everyone's gonna be normal about this. We don't need to 756 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 2: build in any contingencies here. So every time the Ninth 757 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 2: Circuit is like, ooh, Judge Carney, that's nuts, they just 758 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 2: have to send it back to him. They it doesn't 759 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 2: get sent to a different judge. It's just they just 760 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 2: keep sending it back to the guy who is bound 761 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 2: and determined to ruin this right. So it gets sent 762 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 2: back to Judge Carney. This case is still in front 763 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 2: of Judge Carney. So the Ninth Circuit they put him 764 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 2: back in and Judge Charney's like, I'm a limb back out, 765 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 2: and the Ninth Circuit's like, no, you really really can't 766 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 2: do that. You really can't do that. And he's being 767 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 2: kind of a pissy little baby about this right. Like, 768 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 2: the Ninth Circuit issues an order saying, like, no one 769 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 2: can let him out but us. If he gets let out, 770 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 2: it will because we said so no one can let 771 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 2: him out, you can't do it. The Ninth Circuit said, 772 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 2: So we're up here on top. 773 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 3: Of one side. This is fascism, this is tyranny. This 774 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,800 Speaker 3: is fascist of but the but the bad kind, the 775 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 3: kind I don't like Robert Rundo. 776 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 2: So Carney's on the bench and he's like, well, I 777 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 2: really want to though, and so he issues an order 778 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 2: saying like he's released, but I'm going to stay my 779 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 2: own order. I mean, like, you know, I'm gonna enter 780 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 2: this order saying he's released, but like it won't go 781 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 2: into effect because technically I'm not allowed. 782 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 3: It's such a just such a door key of like 783 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 3: pissed baby tantramoved from a judge. 784 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 2: Like you're beating a real baby Cormac, And he says, quote, 785 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 2: I would like to be in a position to release 786 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 2: him right now and let him walk out the door. 787 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,240 Speaker 2: Well you can't. You can't. So it gets like stupid 788 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 2: messy here, right, So the ninth Circuit put him back 789 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 2: in and it comes back to Carney, and Carney's like, well, 790 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 2: this arrest wasn't even legal. I should let him out 791 00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 2: because this you can't even you couldn't put him back. 792 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 3: You can't arrest someone without there being cause for a crime. 793 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 2: Well, it is a little bit messy here, right, So 794 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 2: Carney argues that Roundo's rearrest wasn't legal because he dismissed 795 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 2: the case. So technically, when Rundo was arrested again, there 796 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 2: was no charge against him. There is currently because the 797 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 2: indictment was dismissed. You know, the prosecutors appealing that that dismissal. 798 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 2: Maybe it'll get reinstated like it did last time. But 799 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 2: like right now, he is not charged with the crime. 800 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 3: Which is which is ridiculous because there's so many other 801 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 3: things you could charge. 802 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 2: Him with, right, just like find a different crime. 803 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 3: Like there's like between all of his between all of 804 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 3: his passport stuff, between all of his crossing the border, like, 805 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 3: there's there's so much other there's so many other things 806 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 3: that you could you could decide to charge him with. 807 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 2: Surely some FBI agent has been sort of keeping tabs 808 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 2: on his activities and they could come up with something. 809 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 2: But as it stands, when he was re arrested, there 810 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,399 Speaker 2: was no charge, right, Yeah, So the Ninth Circuit does 811 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 2: have the authority to stay the release order. So Carney 812 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 2: issued a release order saying let him out of jail, right, 813 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 2: And so the prosecutor was like, we need an emergency 814 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 2: hearing in front of the Ninth Circuit on that release order. 815 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 2: So Carney issues the release order. The prosecutor goes to 816 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 2: the Ninth Circuit and say, we need you to push 817 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 2: the pause button on the implementation of this order. That's 818 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 2: really normal, that should have been what happened. But because 819 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 2: he was released immediately, you know, before they had a 820 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 2: chance to get heard by the Ninth Circuit, Carney's argument, 821 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 2: which I think may maybe true here, right, is that 822 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 2: by the time the Ninth Circuit heard the motion to 823 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,439 Speaker 2: stay the release order. It was moot. They can't hear 824 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 2: argument on a motion that doesn't mean anything. You can't 825 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 2: stay an order that's already been implemented. So once the 826 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 2: release order was carried out and Rondo was no longer 827 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 2: physically in custody, there was no order to stay. So 828 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 2: the Ninth Circuit had nothing to rule on, so they 829 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 2: they rearrested him, saying like, we're staying the release order, 830 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 2: but the order of operations there is kind of key. 831 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,839 Speaker 2: At the next hearing, Carney said, I must tell you 832 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 2: from the little things I've read, I'm quite concerned. I 833 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 2: feel mister Rundo is being unconstitutionally detained, and it's it's messy, 834 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 2: and I don't know what the right answer is here, right, Like, 835 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 2: it's not unusual for someone to stay in custody pending appeal, 836 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 2: especially if they have repeatedly attempted and succeeded at fleeing 837 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 2: the country. Yeah, and Carney's refusal to stay the release 838 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 2: order kind of makes you wonder if he didn't create 839 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 2: this procedural nightmare intentionally. 840 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,399 Speaker 3: Sure, he kind of created this legal dilemma that now 841 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 3: puts Rundo's incarceration in actually like a point of question. 842 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 2: Right, Like he had to know that when the Ninth 843 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,919 Speaker 2: Circuit did hear this motion, they would probably reverse him. 844 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 2: He had to know that, and he absolutely knew Rondo 845 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 2: would flee the country before that could happen. And he's 846 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,840 Speaker 2: not wrong that it looks a little a little questionable 847 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 2: to issue it arrest warrant when there is no live 848 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 2: charge or the end result that Rondo is in custody 849 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 2: pending some kind of further ruling from the Ninth Circuit. 850 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 2: That's not weird, that's really normal. But everything that happened 851 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 2: in between is a mess. I don't know what the 852 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 2: answer to that is. I mean, I mean, as nuts 853 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 2: as Carney is behaving like, he is probably right that 854 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 2: you can't make a ruling on a moot motion and 855 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,399 Speaker 2: you can't arrest someone who's not charged with a crime, 856 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 2: like those things are true. But I don't know what 857 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 2: the answer is here, and I think it's his fault, yeap. 858 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 2: So at this point, right the government is appealing Carney's 859 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 2: dismissal of the charges, just like they did back in 860 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,839 Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. Remember that it took almost two years from 861 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 2: the original dismissal to the Ninth Circuit ruling reversing and 862 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 2: remanding the case in twenty twenty one, so this could 863 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 2: take a while. At this point, what the government is 864 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 2: asking for a stay of the release order to keep 865 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 2: him in custody while they work through this appeals process 866 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 2: because they are appealing the dismissal of the indictment. I 867 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 2: don't expect a lot of movement on that this week. 868 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 2: I think the docket shows that the appellance brief is 869 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 2: due on the twelfth today as we're recording this as 870 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 2: the fourth, so they'll file that brief. They may file 871 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 2: more sort of emergency petitions for his release. I'm not 872 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 2: sure the Ninth Circuit will do that, but is anybody's 873 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,760 Speaker 2: guess at this point, because it's kind of a big mess. 874 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 2: The only thing that is clear is that only the 875 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 2: Ninth Circuit can let Rob Rundo out. 876 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 3: Well what a what A? What an enticing Rundo down 877 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 3: have the legal events of this case. Don't want to 878 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 3: be in that position. 879 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 2: You know, Garrison. I'm not sure that you'll ever be 880 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 2: in this position. I hope not, at least not in 881 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 2: this exact one, unless you're running a secret Nazi gang 882 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 2: that I do not know about, in which case, disavow, disavow. 883 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,800 Speaker 3: Okay, that's good, that's good. Yeah you should, that's probably 884 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:06,279 Speaker 3: the right move. 885 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 2: But so it'll take some time. 886 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what else there 887 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 3: is to say. 888 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 2: This is like sort of inciting a lot of active 889 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,840 Speaker 2: club activity. You were saying earlier that the you know 890 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,320 Speaker 2: ram doesn't exist anymore. It's morphed into these active clubs. 891 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 2: There's these cells all over the country and they are 892 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 2: fired up about this. So I think this has the 893 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 2: potential to incite more political violence, or at the very. 894 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 3: Least, incite more T shirt sales, which would be just 895 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 3: as horrified to see those things out in the. 896 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,279 Speaker 2: Wild, already marketing free rundo merch. Yeah. 897 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 3: I bet, yeah. 898 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 2: I guess even Nazis have constitutional rights. 899 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 3: I guess they do. Although it does feel again slightly 900 00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 3: uh insidious at the selective non enforcement of some of 901 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:05,400 Speaker 3: these things where there's many, many people who are being held, 902 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 3: especially like in Atlanta, it's been many people being helped 903 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 3: with out bail because they've been deemed a flight risk 904 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,839 Speaker 3: for a long long time for crimes. 905 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 2: Not because they hold like a Serbian passport. No, no, 906 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 2: just because they intended a music festival, right. I Mean 907 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 2: it's hard to get like super fired up about rob 908 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,759 Speaker 2: Rundo's constitutional rights in terms of this sort of like 909 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 2: procedural quagmire when it's like people are actively and intentionally 910 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 2: violating everyone else's constitutional rights constantly. 911 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, the only thing I left to think of 912 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 3: is how this whole system of law does not seem 913 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 3: to work very much, and especially we often point out 914 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 3: how a whole bunch of laws get put in place 915 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 3: and are like ostensibly framed like combat white supremacist terrorism 916 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 3: or whatever, and in actuality really only get used against 917 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 3: people fighting for like the rights of black people, people 918 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 3: fighting for getting trans people not to be murdered. Like 919 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 3: that's that's really what all these laws get targeted against, 920 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 3: and they faced so so much more harsh punishment because 921 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,720 Speaker 3: we have we have a judge who's treating rob Rundo 922 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,880 Speaker 3: like a little a little baby, who's this innocent little creature. Meanwhile, 923 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 3: people can get constantly locked up for completely bullshit charges 924 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 3: in other parts of the country for engaging in like 925 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,399 Speaker 3: actually like pretty pretty valid acts of protest not even 926 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 3: related to any like alleged violence. Like there's it's it's 927 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 3: it's quite it's quite frustrating to to to look at. Yes, 928 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 3: there is actually a decent case of selective enforcement here, and. 929 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:39,840 Speaker 2: It's the other way around. 930 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is not in fact that they're letting Antifa 931 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,840 Speaker 3: run wild and burn down cities. In fact, these these 932 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 3: these Nazis get treated like little little innocent First Amendment 933 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 3: defenders as they purposely like talk about and brag about 934 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 3: their claims of traveling across the country to assault peace 935 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,800 Speaker 3: people and start riots. Anyway, Well, that's that's not great. 936 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:07,880 Speaker 2: Things are not good. 937 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 3: I hope only the worst for Rundo, regardless of whatever 938 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,239 Speaker 3: legal thing happens, just like in general, like I like, 939 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,480 Speaker 3: I I wish him bad, just like in life, you know, 940 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,360 Speaker 3: like I hope you like trips and falls down the stairs, 941 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 3: you know, just like in general, like stub is Toe 942 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 3: really bad gets. 943 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,919 Speaker 2: About this situation, Like there are a million outcomes here 944 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 2: that are the dumbest possible ending to this story. So 945 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 2: I'm not holding my breath for you know, some brilliant 946 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,879 Speaker 2: prosecutor to save the day here. But I do hope 947 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 2: that that Rob Rundo continues to have a bad day regardless. 948 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you for this lovely piece of legal research, Molly. 949 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,840 Speaker 2: Now I have to close eighty seven tabs. 950 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 3: That is always the joy of wrapping up one of 951 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 3: these episodes. It's closing the ridiculous amount of tabs that 952 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 3: are open, because at at any moment in my research process, 953 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 3: any of my friends looks at my computer, they are 954 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,640 Speaker 3: horrified by the stress that I'm putting my own ram 955 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,840 Speaker 3: through different ram, the other ram than the Yeah it 956 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,359 Speaker 3: is computer computer ram not. 957 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,400 Speaker 2: Also under considerable strain at this time. 958 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Well, right, I feel like that's that's as 959 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,320 Speaker 3: bad enough a joke to end it on as anything 960 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 3: else where. Can people find you online? Way? 961 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,919 Speaker 2: Oh gosh? Yeah, I am online at Socialist dog Mom 962 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 2: on Twitter, on my newsletter on ghost the Devil's Advocates, 963 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 2: and I don't know my dogs have an Instagram that 964 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 2: I haven't updated lately. It's auto m Buck does it 965 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 2: for me? How about you, Garrison? 966 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,800 Speaker 3: Oh, you can find me documenting my process of slowly 967 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,480 Speaker 3: turning my entire apartment into the Black Lodge on Twitter 968 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 3: at Hungry Bowtie. All right, wow, you you can actually 969 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,480 Speaker 3: see a little bit of it behind me. It's kind 970 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,320 Speaker 3: of dark, but you can see a glimmer of red curtains. 971 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 2: Yes, spooky back there, It. 972 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,359 Speaker 3: Is quite spooky back there. Wait until I turn Wait 973 00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:58,440 Speaker 3: until I turn on the strobe light. 974 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 2: All right, thank you for joining me today, Garrison. 975 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 3: All right, thank you, Molly. 976 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,040 Speaker 1: It could Happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 977 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 978 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,080 Speaker 1: coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 979 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,279 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 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