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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. Strange days, indeed, you guys,
Speaker 3: strange days. Indeed, as we are hurtling headfirst into April,
Speaker 3: we we do have to tell you there may or
Speaker 3: may not be in April Fool's Day episode of ridiculous history.
Speaker 3: On the way, we want to be the first to
Speaker 3: welcome you to Monday, March thirty.
Speaker 4: First, How does April come in and come go out?
Speaker 4: Is it in like a lion, out like a lamb?
Speaker 5: Is that a thing? People say? I think I didn't
Speaker 5: make that up. I'm not clever enough for that.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 5: If you made it up, YEH would have been cool,
Speaker 5: But no, I cannot clame.
Speaker 4: I think it's just referring to, like you know, end
Speaker 4: of winter, versus beginning of spring, which where I think
Speaker 4: the Atlanta weather has finally picked a color and it's
Speaker 4: it's spring.
Speaker 3: It does remind me of the fantastic line from T. S.
Speaker 3: Eliot's The Wasteland where he says April is the cruelest month.
Speaker 2: I would definitely argue that April is the cruelest month
Speaker 2: because everybody goes around trying to trick you on the
Speaker 2: first exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I always found it a mean spirited holiday in
Speaker 3: the modern West. But do tune in. We're going to
Speaker 3: get into the surprisingly murky origins of April Fool's Day.
Speaker 3: The line we're talking about here from ts Eliot is
Speaker 3: the following April is the cruelest month, breeding lilacs out
Speaker 3: of the dead land, mixing memory and desire, stirring dull
Speaker 3: roots with spring brain.
Speaker 2: Somebody needs, I don't know, a little happy juice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a little bit. It's a bit of a bummer.
Speaker 4: And actually it's March that comes in like a lion
Speaker 4: and goes out like a label.
Speaker 5: We know what we're in it right now. Currently, as
Speaker 5: we sit and records the twenty sixth.
Speaker 3: In media rests, we are going to explore some bird updates.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about passports and why you should
Speaker 3: remember them, a little bit of UFO news. We have
Speaker 3: so much to get to. Of course, we're going to
Speaker 3: talk about twenty three and me we'll have a follow
Speaker 3: up on our Slavery at Sea episode from the past. Everybody,
Speaker 3: hold on to your ATM cards and be very careful
Speaker 3: where you put them before we do any of that. Guys,
Speaker 3: remember a while back on our group chat, I asked
Speaker 3: whether we were all on signal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been talking about signal for a minute.
Speaker 4: I used telegram, which is kind of similar and it's
Speaker 4: and encryption. But people really have been screaming about signal
Speaker 4: lately in terms of you know, privacy, and it seems
Speaker 4: like the government's been screaming about it too.
Speaker 5: To like that out of school.
Speaker 3: That's what we call a segue. We're going to be
Speaker 3: right back after a word from our sponsors, and we
Speaker 3: have returned. All right. Unless you are living off the
Speaker 3: grid and somehow hearing podcasts but not the news, you
Speaker 3: have probably heard of the recent hullabaloo regarding an editor
Speaker 3: in chief of the Atlantic, a guy named Jeffrey Goldberg, who,
Speaker 3: per his own reports, found himself accidentally in the wrong
Speaker 3: digital room. Have you guys ever walked into a room
Speaker 3: and realized you weren't supposed to be there?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then I just kind of hung out and
Speaker 5: eaves dropped.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just pretend like you are supposed to be there.
Speaker 2: If you find yourself in that situation, act like.
Speaker 3: You belong here. Yeah, that's that's one of the big
Speaker 3: that's one of the big keys, right, one of the
Speaker 3: jewels will drop here?
Speaker 2: Can I answer really quickly? Just that thing? So one
Speaker 2: time with our company, I got an email giving me
Speaker 2: full press credentials, so like like the actual facts, full
Speaker 2: press credentials that I could take with a number and
Speaker 2: everything and walk into a place and just be like
Speaker 2: I'm a member of the press, yes, getting and elaminated. Well,
Speaker 2: I just said, hey, cool, thanks so much, this is amazing.
Speaker 2: I can't I'm so happy to have this. And then
Speaker 2: a couple of days went by and then I got
Speaker 2: another follow up email that said you were not meant
Speaker 2: to receive that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't really do take backsies outside of children's games.
Speaker 3: That reminds me Matt Nolan, Tennessee and all of us home.
Speaker 3: That reminds me of the time I interviewed Howard Dean
Speaker 3: when he was still like an up and coming viable
Speaker 3: presidential candid, wasn't he the He was, Yeah, that's how
Speaker 3: I don't have the I don't have a high enough
Speaker 3: range for it.
Speaker 5: But it was yeah, yes, it was a bit of
Speaker 5: a yea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Billy could find the exact one, right, play that.
Speaker 6: The one that's it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he sounds like a pokemon.
Speaker 3: That's what we're going with, Okay, And when we talked
Speaker 3: when when we talked behind the curtain, right when it's
Speaker 3: just us guys hanging out. Uh, then we'll tell each
Speaker 3: other the truth in our super secure signal chat. And hey,
Speaker 3: while we're there, why not why not collaborate on that
Speaker 3: thing we always wanted to do, which is bomb a
Speaker 3: couple of countries.
Speaker 5: Let's do it. You know what's taken so long. Let's
Speaker 5: just you only live once, right.
Speaker 2: Let's let's detail specific weapon caches.
Speaker 4: By minute accounts of the entire operation and logistics there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, while that one guy is standing in
Speaker 3: the corner holding a little red solo cup just like
Speaker 3: the meme from Reddit, that's.
Speaker 4: Right, the one where he's walking into the party, you're
Speaker 4: talking about and everyone's like thinking, he's wondering what everyone's
Speaker 4: thinking about him.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's how I pickedure our buddy jeff
Speaker 3: So uh we have not met. Uh, we have not
Speaker 3: met the journalist Jeffrey Goldberg. He is the current editor
Speaker 3: in chief of the Atlantic. And what Jeffrey found is
Speaker 3: that government officials have been using signal to communicate in
Speaker 3: the aftermath of the you know, the Chinese telecom breach
Speaker 3: we talked about with the US Treasury, but also maybe
Speaker 3: as a way of skirting FOYA compliance.
Speaker 5: Disappearing messages not cool, not trained.
Speaker 6: Can we also just.
Speaker 4: Say that I'm stoked to be just back to a
Speaker 4: place where we can just talk smack about the government.
Speaker 4: Isn't that what this show is all about? And just
Speaker 4: what this kind of thing is all about. Whoever is
Speaker 4: in power America is a political trash talk about those
Speaker 4: in power. That is what the conspiracy world should be
Speaker 4: thriving on. I just want to put that out there,
Speaker 4: because this stuff is wild.
Speaker 3: I think it's thoroughly American to constantly, constantly complain about
Speaker 3: your government because of in theory, this is not one
Speaker 3: of the governments that will black bag you for bats yeah,
Speaker 3: I said, in theory, I said, in.
Speaker 2: Theory, they'll just take away our security clearances once we're gone.
Speaker 3: Out of office, like the like the current admin did
Speaker 3: with specifically with members of the Biden family.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about it.
Speaker 3: So let's uh, let's go with this to give you
Speaker 3: the straight poop or the hot cheese.
Speaker 6: Here, straight poop and hot cheese.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's evocative. Is really a weird way, So cast
Speaker 3: our memories back to March eleventh, five. There's a group
Speaker 3: chat created on signal. It's created by a national security
Speaker 3: advisor named Michael Waltz. This chat, it is like a
Speaker 3: group thread with the gang. You know, the current Vice
Speaker 3: president is there, the Secretary of State is there. That
Speaker 3: would be Vance and Ruby ospectively, and you there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a guy named Pete who heads the Secretary of Defense
Speaker 3: position was there because the CIA director, the Director of
Speaker 3: National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, the Secretary of the Treasury, the
Speaker 3: guy who is probably the chief of staff for the
Speaker 3: White House, a couple of other folks including special envoys
Speaker 3: to the Middle East, and Jeffrey Goldberg. In this group chat.
Speaker 3: Goldberg is just like that meme standing there in the
Speaker 3: corner of the digital room right slowly sipping his coffee
Speaker 3: or his juice, and he is watching this thing called
Speaker 3: Hoothy PC Small Group PC, ostensibly meaning Principals Committee. They
Speaker 3: go into depth. Some of us were talking. Some folks
Speaker 3: messaged me on various social media platforms about this. It
Speaker 3: is a true story. It is worrisome, and I really
Speaker 3: appreciate that point about a politically holding anyone who is
Speaker 3: in charge accountable. Because signal is fine if you're I
Speaker 3: don't want.
Speaker 7: To sell like the app store, just saying right, yeah,
Speaker 7: it's fine if you are trying to avoid hackers in
Speaker 7: your day to day activities.
Speaker 3: It's fine if you're doing you know, small small time
Speaker 3: drug deals or something like that. But if the if
Speaker 3: the alphabet boys want to get into your signal chat,
Speaker 3: they will, and if it's just it's an important point.
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of people with the best
Speaker 3: of intentions get a little bit Pollyanna or a little
Speaker 3: bit over sold on that purported security.
Speaker 4: Maybe you saw this ben and I don't recall who
Speaker 4: it was, it was person it was on that thread,
Speaker 4: so then you mentioned their name, but being grilled by
Speaker 4: I believe a senator or a congressman on the Democratic
Speaker 4: side about using this app, and this person said that
Speaker 4: it was considered an approved CIA communication tool and had
Speaker 4: been for some time further back even into the previous administration.
Speaker 4: So I don't know about that, and that is sort
Speaker 4: of neither here nor there, But that was sort of
Speaker 4: the like defense that popped up first.
Speaker 5: Thing was like, no, no, no, it's totally cool.
Speaker 4: But I do just want to call back to mention
Speaker 4: taking away Hillary clinton security clearances. What a to do
Speaker 4: was made about her using emails and using private servers
Speaker 4: and all that, and I just think this seems to me,
Speaker 4: again a politically, to be so much worse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's pretty egregious, especially because we know that
Speaker 3: Russian forces can easily, just like our alphabet boys can
Speaker 3: easily compromise the encryption of signal. Now officially they can't,
Speaker 3: but there's a world of difference between official and in practice, right.
Speaker 2: And in this case, we're not even talking about any
Speaker 2: kind of hacking that occurred. We're talking about user error, right.
Speaker 3: We must be And this is sort of the Matroshka
Speaker 3: doll aspect of this. And I'm really glad you brought
Speaker 3: that up for the timeline here what do we say
Speaker 3: was March eleventh. The group chat was created on March eighteenth.
Speaker 3: The Pentagon warned everyone in their staff against using signal
Speaker 3: before the White House Chat League went through. The Pentagon said, hey, guys,
Speaker 3: I'm cool. You know, we're all cool, but let's be
Speaker 3: a little bit safe. Let's have some opsec here less
Speaker 3: a blunder occurs. In a blunder, definitely did so. Picture
Speaker 3: ourselves as the editor in chief of the Atlantic and
Speaker 3: you're getting these crazy notifications. You're even reading stuff like this.
Speaker 3: I am not sure the President is aware how inconsistent
Speaker 3: this is with his message on Europe. Right now, there's
Speaker 3: a further risk that we see moderate to severe spike
Speaker 3: in oil prices. I'm willing to support the consensus of
Speaker 3: the team and keep these concerns to myself, but there
Speaker 3: is a strong argument for delaying this. They're talking about
Speaker 3: a bombing against toothy forces, as it will affect oil prices,
Speaker 3: right there's a strong yeah argument for delaying this a month,
Speaker 3: doing the messaging work on why this matter, seeing where
Speaker 3: the economy is. To your point, Noel, et cetera. That
Speaker 3: is a post from the current Vice president talking smack
Speaker 3: about the current president.
Speaker 5: Oh, that is true.
Speaker 4: So can you unpack that a little bit? How is
Speaker 4: that kind of a subtle subtweet as they might call it.
Speaker 4: He's blaming him for the bad economy and basically saying
Speaker 4: we should time this better so it doesn't make it worse.
Speaker 3: He's saying that he doesn't believe the commander in chief
Speaker 3: is being consistent in's economic pause in US activity. Yeah,
Speaker 3: especially pertaining to Europe, which you know, critics of the
Speaker 3: current president would kind of say the same thing. And
Speaker 3: this is the gosh. You can go to sources like,
Speaker 3: of course, Jeffrey Goldberg at The Atlantic. You can also
Speaker 3: go to surprisingly enough, Yahoo News, which has a full
Speaker 3: list of the texts that were leaked, that were sent.
Speaker 3: I maybe this is an episode in the future, but
Speaker 3: for now we're establishing just the timeline of events because
Speaker 3: I have a question, and Matt, you inspired this earlier,
Speaker 3: and I'm so glad you asked it. We always talk
Speaker 3: about pretend leaks, right, A source familiar with the situation, right,
Speaker 3: an unnamed employee of the Pentagon. So one of the
Speaker 3: questions we have to ask is was this leak simple,
Speaker 3: as simple as human error or user error or is
Speaker 3: it somehow a complex power play? Is it on purpose?
Speaker 5: This is what you call Larry David speak, the accidental
Speaker 5: text on purpose?
Speaker 4: Yeah right, It's where you like, text the wrong person
Speaker 4: on purpose and say it was an accident, but you're
Speaker 4: giving them information that actually could potentially cause them to
Speaker 4: do something that would be beneficial to you.
Speaker 5: Maybe I don't think so in this case. I think
Speaker 5: it's a total f up. I really truly do.
Speaker 3: I think they fuffle the bat? I really do?
Speaker 2: You do?
Speaker 4: Read also that this was not as simple as the
Speaker 4: accidental text on purpose or accidentally texting a group thread
Speaker 4: when you meant to text one member of it. This
Speaker 4: guy was invited to this right group, this private group
Speaker 4: of not that many members. He was he received an
Speaker 4: invitation from I believe that the person that you mentioned,
Speaker 4: and these folks are all newly installed and I'm forgetting
Speaker 4: some names, but the National security advisor, I believe yes,
Speaker 4: And he was like, is it this guy?
Speaker 5: I want to see?
Speaker 4: Maybe it's really him, And literally he just clicked Okay,
Speaker 4: let's just see what we see where this goes. Maybe
Speaker 4: he thought the guy was legitimately trying to reach out
Speaker 4: to him to do an interview, to do something right.
Speaker 3: Sure, because you're you're a big deal journalist. And make
Speaker 3: no mistake, this is a big the editor in chief
Speaker 3: of The Atlantic, yew, how is he mistakenly added to
Speaker 3: a group chat? And if that is possible, how can
Speaker 3: we mistakenly invite you know, some of our favorite celebrities
Speaker 3: like Fran Dresher and Keanu Reeves to our group chat.
Speaker 4: We might be having one of our favorite celebrities on
Speaker 4: the show before not too long.
Speaker 3: I really like his work, really could work. Lovely guys,
Speaker 3: hope it's not a staff and we do it. We
Speaker 3: we carry through with a plom So this this, there's
Speaker 3: another deeper issue here, which is that at least one
Speaker 3: of these guys, the US Envoy to the Middle East,
Speaker 3: Steve Whitcoff, at least one of them was in Moscow
Speaker 3: quite recently meeting with Vladimir Putin from earlier and just
Speaker 3: after it was March thirteenth, so just after midnight local time,
Speaker 3: the chat started naming active CIA officers at least one
Speaker 3: at least one at least one, which is a big note.
Speaker 2: Well, and and that person was named at five twenty
Speaker 2: four pm Eastern time, just after midnight in Russia, and
Speaker 2: according to CBS News the Sky Witcoff was in Moscow
Speaker 2: until about two am, and right up until about one
Speaker 2: thirty am, he was at the Kremlin meeting with President.
Speaker 3: Putin right right exactly, which goes to our recent episode
Speaker 3: that should be out by this time. Why are so
Speaker 3: many spies getting busted? And I can't wait for us
Speaker 3: do the QA on that one.
Speaker 2: There's just unseen signal chats where people are just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that one badass spy who's currently at the Kremlin right now.
Speaker 6: You know that dude, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And someone else is like, Gene is a fucking legend.
Speaker 3: And then you know someone hits it with a like
Speaker 3: or an emoji react.
Speaker 2: Oh he's having a party at his house next week.
Speaker 2: Are you guys going, here's this deep?
Speaker 4: Do we mention the emoji react from this chain? That's
Speaker 4: fantastic in and of itself. I think it's like a
Speaker 4: power fist, an American flag and a fire emoji.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a it's a fist bump and
Speaker 3: then the flag and the fire emoji. And that comes
Speaker 3: to us courtesy of Michael Waltz, one of the Oh
Speaker 3: my god, what are the top decision makers. Look again,
Speaker 3: we did take pains to keep this, to keep this
Speaker 3: within the remit of the show. It seems right now,
Speaker 3: the most likely possibilities are the following two and we'll
Speaker 3: wrap and we'll go to an ad break after this
Speaker 3: because we want to hear from you guys. The first
Speaker 3: possibility is human error in an attempt to skirt skirt
Speaker 3: around Freedom of Information Act compliance. The second possibility is
Speaker 3: a purposeful leak, which doesn't make a ton of sense.
Speaker 3: It's simply the like, what is the endgame, quibono. Who benefits?
Speaker 3: We don't know, but we can we can say right
Speaker 3: now it appears to be something that is going to
Speaker 3: haunt the administration and probably the American public as well
Speaker 3: as American interests abroad.
Speaker 4: Well, any one thing that disturbs me too just about
Speaker 4: this administration is the old, you know, kind of fascist
Speaker 4: playbook move of discrediting journalism journalists, and like the moment
Speaker 4: Trump was asked about this, he responded, oh, you mean
Speaker 4: discredited loser journalists of the failed, you know, substandard magazine
Speaker 4: The Atlantic.
Speaker 5: Like just that move right off the rip, when he
Speaker 5: didn't even know.
Speaker 4: What it was about. It's just so fascinating to me
Speaker 4: and really scary.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: And this this paints not just a picture of the present,
Speaker 3: but it gives us a sense of the horizon or
Speaker 3: the possibilities here. So we'd love to hear from anybody
Speaker 3: who has security clearance, anybody who has worked in info
Speaker 3: security or this kind of opsec. What do you think
Speaker 3: is going on?
Speaker 5: How?
Speaker 3: How did this happen? Is there a conspiracy afoot? Speaking
Speaker 3: of conspiracy, you can email those thoughts to us conspiracy
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Speaker 2: And we've returned, guys, exciting news in the world of
Speaker 2: government contracts. Tail Oh, I've been learning about government contracts.
Speaker 5: Guys.
Speaker 2: Trying to dip my toes into the game. It looks
Speaker 2: like that's one of the best ways to make some
Speaker 2: serious moolah these days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dip your dip your fingers, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Get a little vigorous. It's all to help the mission.
Speaker 3: Dip your ways, you know, like like our pal Fingi's
Speaker 3: O'Brien from Daily's.
Speaker 2: Actually been doing some chocolate fond do action over here
Speaker 2: with some semi sweet chocolate dipping, some pretzels, some strawberries,
Speaker 2: all kinds of deliciousness in there.
Speaker 4: Wet to make a little pattern, you know, do a
Speaker 4: little little half and half, like getting to spoke with it.
Speaker 5: That's interesting.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, just full on semi sweet. It's like
Speaker 2: almost not sweet.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, it's gotten asked to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but we didn't dip our fingies into the
Speaker 2: fondue itself or tozies. But uh got on the fingies
Speaker 2: and tozies.
Speaker 5: How about that?
Speaker 2: Not tozi so much? That would be weird.
Speaker 3: It's okay, I'm already picturing the shot a soundtrack for this.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, check a wow.
Speaker 2: Uh so yeah, guys, Yeah, Boeing got a win. We
Speaker 2: got a win for Boeing. Everybody out there underdogs, to
Speaker 2: be fair, they have had a bad Can.
Speaker 3: I can I be the first to say it on
Speaker 3: the show. You're welcome, guys, Yeah.
Speaker 2: You're welcome. You've got the big contract. Boeing has won
Speaker 2: an Air Force contract to develop the first ever sixth
Speaker 2: generation war fighter, dubbed the F forty seven.
Speaker 4: That sounds scary fish America fire.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't want to sound like a jerk, so
Speaker 3: sell us on the forty seven.
Speaker 5: Well, guys, you don't have to sell me.
Speaker 2: Please go, heart and soul. It's the Air Force's next
Speaker 2: generation Air Dominance or ENDGAD program. Guys. It's a game
Speaker 2: changer for Boeing. Before this, they've been developing and developed
Speaker 2: and maintaining the F eighteen program. This is a huge
Speaker 2: different type of fighter jet that has been in use
Speaker 2: with the United States Military and the Air Force for
Speaker 2: quite a time, but that contract is ending for Boeing,
Speaker 2: so they needed something to juice up the old coffers
Speaker 2: and make sure Boeing stock stays you know, wherever it's
Speaker 2: going to go after the next plane falls out of
Speaker 2: the sky.
Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry, it's just okay, we're really proud of.
Speaker 6: Really trying to maintain here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but really you're welcome.
Speaker 2: But really, there's a massive Boeing facility in Saint Louis
Speaker 2: that produces these F eighteens and maintains them. And getting
Speaker 2: this new contract means, you know, those individuals who are
Speaker 2: probably awesome human beings, it means they still have a
Speaker 2: job and they're going to make new things, new, really
Speaker 2: kick ass things. In my opinion, these planes, no doubt,
Speaker 2: they're terrifying, at least if they do what Boeing says
Speaker 2: they will do on paper.
Speaker 5: What do they call it again, terror birds F forty.
Speaker 5: They don't have some cool like nickname.
Speaker 2: Or I don't know. It's the it's the GAD program. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's the generation AIRDM.
Speaker 5: We can work. We can workshop that.
Speaker 3: But yeah we can. Yeah, we'll just we'll we'll hit
Speaker 3: them up on signal about that. The goat suckers. But
Speaker 3: but okay, Matt, this is, as you said, a huge win.
Speaker 3: It's also important to put this in perspective because the
Speaker 3: contract award is after a successful pitch, and that's very
Speaker 3: different from building the actual plane. And we know, for
Speaker 3: a lot of our fellow aviators in the crowd, we
Speaker 3: know that there's always a bumpy road right, a bumpy runway.
Speaker 3: There there are always uh hiccups and warts and blemishes
Speaker 3: and sometimes dangerous things with deploying a new kind of
Speaker 3: complex agglomeration of technology like this. So there there are
Speaker 3: probably plenty of pilots who are already thinking, thank god,
Speaker 3: this thing is not in service before I retire.
Speaker 2: Well, so there's some complexity to this. I agree with you, Ben,
Speaker 2: but there's complexity because it is a part of, as
Speaker 2: you said, a pitch, but as part of that pitch,
Speaker 2: actual vehicles are produced not just by Boeing, also by
Speaker 2: Lockheed Martin, also by Northrop Grumman. Those are the three
Speaker 2: big contract fighters in the ring.
Speaker 3: And Rocked Lockheed made the sort of ancestor or older
Speaker 3: brother to this. They may be F twenty two, right.
Speaker 2: And the F thirty five. So right now, Lockheed or
Speaker 2: right before now, Lockheed was the king of the stealth
Speaker 2: fighter in the United States for the for the Air Force, right.
Speaker 2: There are other versions of these planes for the Navy,
Speaker 2: different types of planes, sometimes by the same manufacturer, just
Speaker 2: different specifics, right for the other branches of the military.
Speaker 2: But Lockheed was Lockheed Martin was standing on top of
Speaker 2: that hill. But there have been a lot of problems
Speaker 2: with the these next generation fighters that have been kind
Speaker 2: of put out in the news. Just how many issues
Speaker 2: there are, specifically with the systems, like the integrated computer
Speaker 2: based systems issues happen there.
Speaker 4: They're ballooning budget issues as well, I mean, as ever everybody.
Speaker 2: Particular, Yes, right, there's corruption happening a little bit on
Speaker 2: the side there, but like, we gotta we need some
Speaker 2: more money for this project.
Speaker 3: R and D cost can be a black hole because
Speaker 3: they don't have you know, you can have clearly defined
Speaker 3: objectives to arrive at, but you will also have agency
Speaker 3: to figure out how you get to that objective. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's that there's riddle be this is there a recent
Speaker 3: military project that has come in under budget.
Speaker 5: Doesn't really seem to be the priority.
Speaker 2: I want to say, has something to do with with
Speaker 2: space force probably, no kidding, I do.
Speaker 3: Have to we do have to point this out again
Speaker 3: just being we're we're being curmudgeonly, but we're doing it
Speaker 3: in in a political way. It doesn't matter what administration
Speaker 3: is at the wheel. Uh. The real reason that the
Speaker 3: military industrial complex rarely goes under budget in projects like
Speaker 3: this is that on the military side, if you go
Speaker 3: under budget, the being counters in your department are going
Speaker 3: to come back to you and say, oh, I guess
Speaker 3: you don't need so much money next year.
Speaker 2: Well, and and as part of winning this contract, one
Speaker 2: of the main things that's looked at by the government
Speaker 2: is how cost effective are these planes, Like per unit
Speaker 2: when we them to actually deploy them in places like Yeman. Well,
Speaker 2: in this case, Boeing was on the lower end of
Speaker 2: how much it's going to cost. But something to keep
Speaker 2: in mind is, once you win one of these contracts
Speaker 2: and your budget does go a little over, it's a
Speaker 2: lot easier for the government to modify a contract than
Speaker 2: it is to go through a whole other system of Well,
Speaker 2: I guess we're gonna need to make a new contract
Speaker 2: and get new people in here and test new you know,
Speaker 2: prototypes and figure out all of that stuff. You just
Speaker 2: it's way easier to follow that sunk cost and just
Speaker 2: you know, eventually get those F thirty five's mostly working.
Speaker 3: In cost fallacy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. But this is the thing that blew my mind.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 2: There's two things. Okay, I didn't know. There's an actual
Speaker 2: US government Uncle Sam, and I think we may have
Speaker 2: talked about it before, yea, like once or twice. There's
Speaker 2: a real actual government SAM. It's called the System for
Speaker 2: Award Management or SAM dot gov. This is the place
Speaker 2: where all of these companies and individuals sometimes go to
Speaker 2: create a basically a user account or an entity is
Speaker 2: what they refer to it. On the website an entity
Speaker 2: that can be eligible for certain contracts government contracts, big
Speaker 2: ass contracts like this one. And if you go to that,
Speaker 2: you can go to the website and check it out
Speaker 2: and learn all about it. There's a great website GSA
Speaker 2: dot gov, which is the General Services Administration, and it
Speaker 2: will tell you how to do the process, how to
Speaker 2: make it work.
Speaker 3: It's just it.
Speaker 2: It's weird to look at it on your computer screen
Speaker 2: and think, oh wow. People from these major weapons manufacturers
Speaker 2: do this exact thing and then sign up make an
Speaker 2: entity as let's say Northrop Grumming or in this case Boeing,
Speaker 2: and then.
Speaker 3: They don't want you to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah whatever, it's Americadwick. It could mean anything. But they
Speaker 2: do all that and it just happens. That's weird. The
Speaker 2: other thing is these next generation warplanes like the If
Speaker 2: you imagine a prototyped vehicle that gets shown off by
Speaker 2: Tesla as he says.
Speaker 5: It, Tesla, No, he says Tesla, Tesla, Okay.
Speaker 6: Well Tesla.
Speaker 2: Well, let's say the next generation prototype of a Volkswagen
Speaker 2: gets shown off at a car show. These prototypes for
Speaker 2: these major weapons manufacturers have been flying since at least
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Yes, which makes you think about some of
Speaker 2: the things human beings have seen in the air every
Speaker 2: once in a while, or a little blip that goes by,
Speaker 2: or weird sound. It could very well be one of
Speaker 2: these prototypes that's being tested and has been tested for
Speaker 2: the last four or five years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're talking something that has advanced stealth capabilities the
Speaker 3: fifth generation vehicles simply don't possess, and significantly longer range.
Speaker 3: It's still it's still classified, so we can't we can't
Speaker 3: say too too much about it lest we get kicked
Speaker 3: off the group chat. But we do we do know
Speaker 3: to your point there, that there's a phenomenal and significant,
Speaker 3: provable precedent of secret aviation innovations and breakthroughs and reports
Speaker 3: of UAP or UFO. One of, indeed one of the
Speaker 3: most plausible answers to mysterious objects in the sky is
Speaker 3: going to be secret, very expensive testing of next gen
Speaker 3: stealth aircraft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and thank goodness they're testing them. They didn't test them,
Speaker 2: and they you know, won a nineteen billion dollar contract
Speaker 2: that has you know, a couple sections in there. It
Speaker 2: will likely cost hundreds of billions of dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's up to twenty already.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, thank goodness they're testing them
Speaker 2: rather than just saying, guys, look at this cool picture
Speaker 2: of a fighter jet I designed.
Speaker 3: How cool would I make test pilot? Would you guys
Speaker 3: ever be test pilots for this kind of stuff?
Speaker 5: Don't think?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: No, interestingly enough, both. I think it was both astronauts,
Speaker 2: or at least one of the astronauts that was recently,
Speaker 2: you know, finally brought down from the International Space Station.
Speaker 2: I think there were both test pilots for craft that
Speaker 2: you know, hopefully work the way they say they.
Speaker 3: Do, mind reader, That's kind of why I'm asking, yeah,
Speaker 3: because it just seems like such rarefied air. That's true
Speaker 3: on two levels. But you know, when we when we
Speaker 3: look at these programs, we know there's a lot of largess.
Speaker 3: We know there's a lot of graft or a lot of
Speaker 3: what people used to call port in earlier evenings. But
Speaker 3: it is important to do this. Ye kind of have
Speaker 3: to do this, especially now given that the US is,
Speaker 3: and I hate to say it, the US is losing
Speaker 3: the technological arm race against foreign powers. Particularly are our
Speaker 3: friends over at Uncle Gee's side of the world.
Speaker 2: Well, not with the f forty seven's with the when
Speaker 2: they roll through, Oh, it's they're going to be beautiful.
Speaker 5: It is inspired.
Speaker 2: You won't even notice them all right, our our enemies
Speaker 2: won't know what hit them. That's I think it'll be
Speaker 2: a miss from the announcement. Yeah, but okay, guys, there's
Speaker 2: there was a lot of stuff I wanted to cover
Speaker 2: and we ended up talking about this a lot. A
Speaker 2: couple of things you need to know. Do yourself a
Speaker 2: favor and look up Just do a quick search for
Speaker 2: Pirates Booty Long Island. You mean, like, just do that
Speaker 2: the snack. Yes, just do yourself a favor. At some
Speaker 2: point google that and just give yourself a little read.
Speaker 2: Have some fun has to do with the founder of
Speaker 2: Pirates Booty attempting to basically pull a full mutiny on
Speaker 2: a town in Long Island, declaring himself mayor and all
Speaker 2: kinds of con.
Speaker 6: Pirate king I have.
Speaker 5: I have a bunch of pirates Booty in me pantry.
Speaker 3: And also also pirates are the reason are probably one
Speaker 3: of the reasons the US does not currently have the
Speaker 3: metric system.
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, I agree, And speaking of pirates, let's stay
Speaker 2: on the high seas. Do yourself a favor and do
Speaker 2: a little search for Bumblebee Tuna. Bumble Bee Tuna and
Speaker 2: fishing boat slavery. Something we talked about on a previous episode.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of it, something about canned
Speaker 2: fish or it's the.
Speaker 3: One where we I think I called it the one
Speaker 3: where we ruined seafood.
Speaker 6: I think that's it.
Speaker 2: I think that's it.
Speaker 4: Now that being said, there are some bespoke ten fish
Speaker 4: companies that do a really fine Jeff, that's a good yeah,
Speaker 4: very good for sure.
Speaker 2: In this case, Bumblebe Tuna has found itself in a
Speaker 2: landmark lawsuit where they're for Indonesian fishermen who are suing
Speaker 2: Bumblebee Foods because they said these four fishermen alleged that
Speaker 2: Bumblebee Tuna knowingly benefited. That's a quote from forced labor, debt,
Speaker 2: bondage and other forms of abuse that we described in
Speaker 2: that previous episode.
Speaker 3: And that episode is from twenty twenty three. I'm having
Speaker 3: a hard time believing that, but it's true. That episode
Speaker 3: is from July of twenty twenty three. It's called the
Speaker 3: one where we ruin canned seafood bones. It's an important
Speaker 3: issue to us and you know, it's perfect if you
Speaker 3: are having too good of a day.
Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly, Okay, just last few things that rattle off,
Speaker 2: and these really are rattling off, guys, because it's time
Speaker 2: for this section. But Google search rescinding security clearances and
Speaker 2: access to classified information from specified individuals. That is where
Speaker 2: you will find a list of people that have lost
Speaker 2: their access to classified information who are formerly government officials,
Speaker 2: who are not currently in office anymore, or at least
Speaker 2: are not in favor with the current administration. It is
Speaker 2: a very interesting thing to see one administration come through
Speaker 2: and say, hey, people that I don't agree with or
Speaker 2: don't like, or who were my enemies, my perceived enemies,
Speaker 2: you no longer have access to the thing that generally,
Speaker 2: you know, helped you with your job, you know, as
Speaker 2: being an official in some capacity. It's very strange to
Speaker 2: see that. It's not something that happens with every administration.
Speaker 2: It's just a little weird. And then I pose to you, guys,
Speaker 2: or at least I propose that we should do a
Speaker 2: full episode on the twenty three and meters stuff as
Speaker 2: we were going through it for this, you know, to
Speaker 2: talk about it today. There's just a lot of complexity there.
Speaker 3: I called it in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: You remember we've talked about this. It's it's a dangerous
Speaker 2: thing when all of that information is just hanging out
Speaker 2: with a private company and they're trying to figure out,
Speaker 2: Oh do we do an IPO, do we go public?
Speaker 2: Oh do we sell to one other private investor? Who
Speaker 2: is that investor? Like?
Speaker 4: Are we a DNA analysis company or are we a
Speaker 4: data gathering company?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know every single person that's spit into
Speaker 2: a thing is the product. So congrats.
Speaker 5: We talk about how that question. I think they knew
Speaker 5: the answer from the start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. We'll be right back afterward
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Speaker 4: News and we return, y'all. Pilots are just like us.
Speaker 4: They can be absent minded, little little.
Speaker 5: Silly goofballs too, just like us, Just like us. Thank you.
Speaker 4: A United Airlines flight from Los Angeles heading to shang
Speaker 4: I had to make an emergency diversion to San Francisco
Speaker 4: after the pilot realized that he did not have his passport.
Speaker 3: Dylan, can we get the whoopsie sound c from Mortal Kombat?
Speaker 6: Whoopsie made it?
Speaker 5: See yeah, you know the one.
Speaker 4: Yep, he apparently grumpily announced this over the P eight.
Speaker 3: Well there's a stupid and then of course still followed
Speaker 3: up with the weather right, oh yeah, a positive note,
Speaker 3: the looking great levels sailing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, should be a smooth ride all the way to
Speaker 4: San Francisco where we were not going. Yeah, it was
Speaker 4: a six hour, all told delay to the passengers going
Speaker 4: where they were going, and to whoever was unlucky enough
Speaker 4: to be scheduled to be on that plane next.
Speaker 5: Because we all know.
Speaker 6: How airline delays work.
Speaker 4: It is a rolling domino effect situation. And they I've
Speaker 4: always been irritated about this, Ben and Matt, I'm sure
Speaker 4: you guys have noticed this too. They don't give you
Speaker 4: information in a timely manner. They want to keep you
Speaker 4: hanging on. They want to keep you hanging on with
Speaker 4: these rolling delays when they probably know what the full
Speaker 4: delay extent is going to be. But instead they just
Speaker 4: keep moving it ten minutes, fifteen minutes. And I don't
Speaker 4: know what do you guys, how do you cope with this?
Speaker 4: Like where you really decide to cut your losses if
Speaker 4: you haven't left yet for the airport and don't and
Speaker 4: don't want to be stuck there because you don't trust
Speaker 4: the damn airlines.
Speaker 3: To be honest with you. So you haven't left yet.
Speaker 6: I have, I haven't yet. It has happened to me recently.
Speaker 4: It was rolling delays and I was trying to decide, yeah,
Speaker 4: because it was actually on our way to our big trip,
Speaker 4: our big show in Brooklyn. Because I was traveling, I
Speaker 4: was having to check a bag with some very not
Speaker 4: only expensive, but important equipment for our show, and I
Speaker 4: was worried that if I went to the airport and
Speaker 4: then the flight was canceled after I already checked the bag,
Speaker 4: it might end up in some kind of airport limbo,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I actually asked you about this,
Speaker 4: Ben at the time, So maybe share your perspective with
Speaker 4: the listeners too, because I know you're a season traveler
Speaker 4: and probably run into this more times than I have.
Speaker 3: Oh shucks. I love hanging at airports, you guys. Remember
Speaker 3: when we were stranded at the Atlanta Aircraft Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: with war Yeah who says Hi. By the way, we
Speaker 3: we were hanging there, and we were in the same
Speaker 3: sort of domino effect situation. We were still there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: beautifully described. Yeah, so one of the questions was how
Speaker 3: long do we stay at this airport in the city
Speaker 3: that we all live it. You know, we're not stranded
Speaker 3: out in Sammarcan's or something. We're we're in our hometown.
Speaker 3: And we ended up staying there because of the information
Speaker 3: drip that you were talking about. The plane, if I
Speaker 3: recall correctly, the plane, our flight kept getting pushed just
Speaker 3: a little at a time, a little at a time,
Speaker 3: and we kept saying, well, it's not really worth it
Speaker 3: for us to drive back home and then go through security. Uh,
Speaker 3: so we better befriend everybody else who was stranded. And
Speaker 3: we had an epic night. But I know there's a question, Noel,
Speaker 3: that all of us listening are are gonna expect. Uh
Speaker 3: And so I asked on behalf of our conspiracy realist,
Speaker 3: what airline was it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry, I was United?
Speaker 6: Which is what type of plane was it?
Speaker 5: Unclear?
Speaker 4: Probably a Boeing, but it was, Yeah, the Boeing.
Speaker 5: Didn't make dude forget his passport.
Speaker 3: I know, I know Boeing gets such a hard time.
Speaker 4: Of the dude.
Speaker 5: Why not let's just throw it at them.
Speaker 3: Somebody Congress will be like, now is it? Is it correct?
Speaker 3: That the Boeing aircraft does not provide on board passports
Speaker 3: all the pilots, Like, no, Senator, that would be illegal.
Speaker 3: That's not how passports.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, exactly, I guess it.
Speaker 4: Never you know, this is interesting to me, I think too,
Speaker 4: because because it never really occurred to me that pilots
Speaker 4: are like subject to all the same crap that the
Speaker 4: rest of us are. They might get waved through certain security,
Speaker 4: there might be like a expedited line for them and stuff.
Speaker 4: And also depending on maybe where this person was going
Speaker 4: to end up, perhaps this was a resident of China
Speaker 4: and definitely needed the passport to get home.
Speaker 3: Even Yeah, that's a that's a great question because this
Speaker 3: you're absolutely right about the cool line at the airport.
Speaker 3: That's for flight crew, that's for the pilots, and and
Speaker 3: you're also absolutely correct, I would say regarding you know,
Speaker 3: the question of nationale. We can assume this was a
Speaker 3: US passport holder, but do we know that for sure?
Speaker 5: I don't think so. We didn't. They didn't name names.
Speaker 4: And it's actually pretty funny. The reporting on this is
Speaker 4: a little bit light. Honestly. Maybe it's just an information
Speaker 4: air gap kind of situation with the airline. But the
Speaker 4: one they just got the most. CNN just got the
Speaker 4: most absolutely lackluster quote from one of the passengers.
Speaker 5: I'm feeling pretty frustrated.
Speaker 4: A business traveler who requested anonym and he told CNN,
Speaker 4: I have to reschedule all my plans for Monday, which
Speaker 4: is really inconvenient.
Speaker 3: It steaks though, because you know, we have to exercise.
Speaker 3: We would probably have said the same thing. You know,
Speaker 3: if CNN showed up at that that cursed what what
Speaker 3: was it? Like a blue moon or Gordon Biersch power
Speaker 3: is it? You see? It showed up and asked us,
Speaker 3: we would have been we would have been like, uh,
Speaker 3: we we have said some of the same things.
Speaker 5: We probably would have bought CNN a drink at that point, man,
Speaker 5: I mean we were we were.
Speaker 4: Just owned it at that you know, we were just
Speaker 4: posted up like like what's that movie where Tom Hanks
Speaker 4: lives in the airport?
Speaker 5: We were like the terminal. We were terminal boys.
Speaker 2: Can you guys, like, really, can you imagine that panic
Speaker 2: that would set in if you were flight Yeah, and
Speaker 2: you can visualize your passports sitting there on the table
Speaker 2: like you put it there to remember it, but you.
Speaker 3: Your stomach drops and it's even I would argue it's
Speaker 3: even worse on some level because not just not only
Speaker 3: is there a ton of people trusting you right depending
Speaker 3: on you and they all have their together beat me there,
Speaker 3: but also perhaps on an even more damaging social aspect
Speaker 3: of it, you have a co pilot, Yeah, and your
Speaker 3: co pilot, like you know, in a different country, they
Speaker 3: might just tell you to get the parachute and pop
Speaker 3: off the plate because we got somebody else who can
Speaker 3: fly it.
Speaker 4: Well, it's my understanding that they diverted to San Francisco
Speaker 4: so they could get a whole new flight crew, Like
Speaker 4: so they like do it was donezo? And I gotta
Speaker 4: ask you, guys, do you think And I'm sorry, I
Speaker 4: sick keep saying, dude, we don't have no indication of
Speaker 4: this individual's gender, but you.
Speaker 5: Think they got to let go? It's pretty bad, dude,
Speaker 5: It's a pretty bad look for the airline.
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe, how do you what what is the
Speaker 4: middle ground between being let go and being severely wrist slapped?
Speaker 3: You get? You get a passport on a on like
Speaker 3: a lanyard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, a lamin it like Matt's a girl gotten
Speaker 4: press pass.
Speaker 3: Right right right? You you get. I mean, really, it's
Speaker 3: a case of human error, absent mindedness. Without more context,
Speaker 3: you know, it'd be very Look, pilots have such a
Speaker 3: high threshold of learning, and they have such expertise, and
Speaker 3: there's such an investment of time that I don't think
Speaker 3: this person will get fired. I'm sure they will get punished,
Speaker 3: but it's not like some of those other pilots who
Speaker 3: get you know, not canned, but faced at the airport
Speaker 3: bar and they're like a hop on, I'm playing.
Speaker 4: Well, we have no indication there is any intoxication involved,
Speaker 4: no intoxication indication, and there was nobody harm's way at
Speaker 4: any point. This is literally just an example of a
Speaker 4: really foolish thing to have done and an embarrassment to
Speaker 4: the airline and this individual, who to my knowledge thus
Speaker 4: far has not been named. Gosh, guys, I had no
Speaker 4: idea that was going to be such a robust conversation.
Speaker 5: That was meant to be my little throwaway story.
Speaker 4: I got a story here about burn in the Galopa
Speaker 4: ghosts getting pissed off because of traffic noise.
Speaker 5: A fantastic study.
Speaker 4: From some very very smart folks who simulated different types
Speaker 4: of traffic noise and different concentrations and basically animal behavior.
Speaker 4: Is The is the journal that published the study about
Speaker 4: how Galopagos yellow warblers respond when traffic noise disrupts their
Speaker 4: communication systems. It essentially shows that there are environmental things
Speaker 4: that lead to evolution much quicker than maybe one might think.
Speaker 5: And I know, you know, look, this is the way
Speaker 5: to put this is.
Speaker 4: Thus, Charles Darwin, this is from a study finds fantastic
Speaker 4: type by the way Great Resource dot org sort of
Speaker 4: crystallization of this. Charles Darwin may have studied finches during
Speaker 4: his famous Galapagos visit in eighty thirty five, but today's
Speaker 4: yellow warblers are offering modern lessons about adaptation to human
Speaker 4: altered environments. Rather than evolutionary changes occurring over generations, these
Speaker 4: birds are showing behavioral changes within their own lifetimes. So
Speaker 4: these human made knock on consequences that are invading, you know,
Speaker 4: natural habitats for these creatures are causing much more accelerated
Speaker 4: evolutionary traits, which I think is super super interesting. Again,
Speaker 4: to wrap this up, research teams from the University of
Speaker 4: Vienna set up experiments across two Galapagos islands that differ
Speaker 4: dramatically in their human footprint. Santa Cruz hosts over fifteen
Speaker 4: thousand people in more than a thousand vehicles, while Florinia
Speaker 4: Island has about one hundred residents and only ten vehicles.
Speaker 4: This contrast created a natural laboratory for studying how different
Speaker 4: levels of exposure to traffic noise affect bird behavior. And
Speaker 4: it just goes into this whole concept of sound as
Speaker 4: a survival tool for these creatures. You know, they use
Speaker 4: it to communicate, they use it to signal danger, to
Speaker 4: attract mates so that they can reproduce. And this is
Speaker 4: potentially causing problems in those departments, which is causing the
Speaker 4: birds to have to sing louder and be a lot
Speaker 4: more aggressive and they're mating you know, rituals and habits.
Speaker 3: And no one still, no one's going to talk about
Speaker 3: the effects of submarines and sonar on whales, which is
Speaker 3: a very similar situation. Yeah, I got I gotta point
Speaker 3: out one we're talking about this briefly off air. One
Speaker 3: related story that stood out to me. I just have
Speaker 3: to say, at least I'm like emotionally four years old.
Speaker 3: There's another issue with light pollution for a specific type
Speaker 3: of bird over in Switzerland. Great tits are having fewer
Speaker 3: young in the city because of the light pollution. They're
Speaker 3: the kind you know, they're great. Tits are the great
Speaker 3: tits are the types who really get down when the
Speaker 3: lights are off.
Speaker 4: You know it seems yeah, yeah, t he indeed. And
Speaker 4: I just want to read this last quote from the
Speaker 4: study Finds piece, which I think is so well done.
Speaker 4: They said, think of trying to have an important conversation
Speaker 4: while standing next to a busy highway. You'd likely change
Speaker 4: how you speak or isort to gestures to get your
Speaker 4: point across. Birds face similar challenges with the potentially life
Speaker 4: altering consequences.
Speaker 5: And then whole section on the power of noise.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, it's a great, great resource. So this is a
Speaker 4: road rage how busy streets yield angry birds on studyfines
Speaker 4: dot org.
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