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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your

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Speaker 1: within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Fresco,

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys like Dan Lamb and now your hosts Dane Brugler,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner and Kyle Humans. It's another wonderful

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Speaker 1: Thursday edition of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show.

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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody, yet Senior Bowl Week rolls on from Mobile, Alabama.

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Speaker 1: We are eighty eight days away from the NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: in Cleveland, Ohio, and we've got plenty to break down

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Speaker 1: that has happened through the first two Senior Bowl practices.

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Speaker 1: One more to go later this afternoon on this Thursday.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna break it down with Dane Brugler, who

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Speaker 1: is down in Mobile holding on to that hotel WiFi

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Speaker 1: us some on the ground coverage of the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: this year. Kevin Turner as always up here in the Metroplex.

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Speaker 1: Then Bucky Brooks is at the NFL Network headquarters out

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Speaker 1: in California and he has been covering the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: all week as well, so, man, we've got a great

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Speaker 1: crew to break this all down. Katie's gonna run point

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Speaker 1: in terms of the Cowboys. Then we've got the NFL

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Speaker 1: overall look and then the up close and personal look

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Speaker 1: from Bucky Brooks and Dame Brugler and Dame. When you

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Speaker 1: talk about this Senior Bowl, I'm sure it's a lot

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Speaker 1: different this year, not only because it's not at lad

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Speaker 1: gotten two practices in already. Yeah, Hancock Whitney stadiums beautiful,

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Speaker 1: So it's it's definitely been different in terms of the access,

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Speaker 1: performing at a high level, some of these players have

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Speaker 1: made money. That's awesome to hear. And Bucky, I know

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Speaker 1: That's different even from a scouting perspective, because, like Dane said,

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Speaker 1: And the Cowboys are having to do the same exact thing, Katie,

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Speaker 1: He's having dialogue with this coach, going through the technique

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Speaker 1: And so far, so good for Dalen Hayes. Hayes had

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Speaker 1: Defensive tackles, it's just not a great group down here,

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Speaker 1: which you know, it's it's tough when you opt out

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Speaker 1: think the Cowboys would be go for it, Bucky, No,

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Speaker 1: I think Dane is his nail something because I do

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Speaker 1: believe supplying to man, because they're not many those who

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask Dane real quickly, do you

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, it's still Will McClay and Stephen Jones primarily

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Speaker 1: and it really feels like they like to stand in there,

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Speaker 1: make the pick and hopefully that's the best player. I'll

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Speaker 1: say this, and we're talking talking defense, it'd be really

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Speaker 1: hard if you're a Cowboys scouting you're out there at

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Speaker 1: a little bit as well. So I mean they have

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Speaker 1: if if anso Rique is there at forty four, maybe

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be another defensive end as well. Like you

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Speaker 1: if we're just going like on a board. Lonzo Rique

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Speaker 1: And those are the kind of guys who I want

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Speaker 1: Let game stop this week. You had to throw the

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Speaker 1: Jason Pruett and this is a question I had for

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Speaker 1: Dane and Bucky and Katie throughout yesterday's practice. But how

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Speaker 1: far do you think guys like Quinn Mayners, the center

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Speaker 1: out of Wisconsin Whitewater, known for flattening trees and going

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Speaker 1: viral on Instagram and Twitter throughout the off season. He's

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Speaker 1: the center who really had a good first couple of days.

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Speaker 1: And then Duwayne Eskridge, the wide receiver from Western Michigan.

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Speaker 1: How far have they risen due to their performance so far?

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Speaker 1: In Mobile Dane Brugler, no one has risen more than

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Speaker 1: Quinn Miners, No one. This guy has been dominant this week.

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Speaker 1: It's been amazing. The watch and listen. I'm a mount

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Speaker 1: Union alone. I go out of my way to talk

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Speaker 1: nicely about Wisconsin Whitewater. Okay, the twenty seven Stag Bowl

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Speaker 1: still stings, No, it pains me a little bit, But

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Speaker 1: I tell you what, Quinn Miners, what he's done this

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Speaker 1: week has been fantastic And it's funny. You watch. You know,

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Speaker 1: he didn't play this year twenty twenty Division three, they

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Speaker 1: did not have a season. But you watch this who

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Speaker 1: has a nineteen film and it's good, but it's not great.

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Speaker 1: It's not like you know, he doesn't necessarily dominate like

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Speaker 1: watching Ali Marpette coming out of Hobart, Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: he goes to the Senior Bowl, does the same thing

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Speaker 1: with Miners. He you know, he wasn't He wouldn't even

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Speaker 1: be here if Landon Dickerson doesn't have his injury, and

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Speaker 1: so that opens the door from Miners. He comes here

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Speaker 1: and you can tell he's been working his butt off

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Speaker 1: the last year with no season, he's been training. You know,

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Speaker 1: his body looks completely different than it did on tape,

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Speaker 1: and he show he's showing a better understanding of how

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Speaker 1: to use he used that body. He's playing low, he's

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Speaker 1: playing controlled. The foot quickness is there. You can tell

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Speaker 1: he's a very smart guy with the way he's reacting.

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Speaker 1: But I tell you talking to a scout last night

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Speaker 1: about him, they had six seventh round grades on Miners

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Speaker 1: just based off of his two nineteen film. Now now

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Speaker 1: is the great debate is how much do you elevate

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Speaker 1: practice compared to three years of film. Obviously, competition that

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Speaker 1: has the quickness that he does, the intelligence, the nasty

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Speaker 1: So it's been really fun to see him and Dwayne

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Speaker 1: cornerbacks in that league were just kind of standing still

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Speaker 1: with the way he moves out there, and he hasn't disappointed.

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Speaker 1: His play speed has allowed him to get open with ease.

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Speaker 1: And it's not just his play speed but his ability

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Speaker 1: far this week. You know, Dane is funny that you

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Speaker 1: Duke manny Weather for the offseason. I think Duke has

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Speaker 1: But in our conversation, we had a chance to talk

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Speaker 1: to know and learn and to make the checks and

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Speaker 1: fact that he has been able to dominate elite competition,

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Speaker 1: to me, I think it changes a narrative, even though

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Speaker 1: this week has been outstanding. Yeah, it really has been.

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm getting flashes of you know, Ryan Jensen. Wow. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a good comparison. Yeah, and you know Ryan Jensen

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Speaker 1: with Tampa. Uh. It's it's been fun because, like you said,

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Speaker 1: he has not looked. He has not looking I mentioned

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Speaker 1: how he got the invite. He's a Landon Dickerson. Uh.

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642
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Speaker 1: looked like a fish out of water a little bit,

643
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: but on day two he made some necessary improvements. Him

644
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: and Carlos Basham had some really good battles on day

645
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: two and that's what you want to see from a

646
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: small school or is that gradual progression? But it wasn't

647
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: like that with minors. He hit the ground running from

648
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: that first snap. One of the first draft scouting lessons

649
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: I ever learned whenever I took over the hosting of

650
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: the draft show last year was Katie and he said,

651
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: if you see a small school guy, he wants he

652
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: needs to look like a grown man playing against eight

653
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: year olds. And that's what the tape looks like for miners.

654
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: And then he comes out and he does the same

655
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: thing for the Senior Bowl, and the way that he

656
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: dominates the Senior Bowl is just impressive as well. But Katie,

657
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: this is actually go into our second question on Twitter

658
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: on the twenty and Grady asked what small school guys

659
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl could interest the Cowboys more. Of course,

660
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: Dallas being a scouting department in a front office that's

661
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: very heavy toward the bigger school guys at least for

662
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 1: the most part, with some of those premium picks. But

663
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: is there anybody out of these guys or anybody at

664
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl that are from the small schools that

665
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: could potentially interest you? Well, right, I think you know,

666
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: we've seen the Cowboys well we know, we know offensive

667
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: line is something they might have to consider. We've talked

668
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: a lot about Trey Lance and things like that. Maybe

669
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: we need to talk about the tackle Dylan Raduns at

670
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: North Dakota State, you know, for him, My question coming

671
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: off of watching his take was how well can he

672
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: handle a speed rush? Now watch this one on one drills, Like,

673
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: obviously you know the guy's pass rushing you, so like

674
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: you're ready, you know, But to me, I've seen a

675
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: little bit of you see the power, the ability to

676
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: stay balanced, how faster his feed is kind of what

677
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm watching for with Dylan Rdons. But that's a guy

678
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: who could be in the mix and maybe be someone

679
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys would consider, you know, whar we're talking

680
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: day two, maybe maybe a fourth round type of guy.

681
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: You know him on tape. I have him as a

682
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: third round grade. So you know, that's a small school

683
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: guy that we need to get some love too. And

684
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, Bucky mentioned you know Robert Rochelle earlier from

685
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: Central Arkansas, And I think one thing that I was

686
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: kind of piecing together as you think about Will McClay

687
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: and how he kind of has looked at defensive backs

688
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: over the years. One thing that they really love. They

689
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: loved those spark scores. They love those guys who can test.

690
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: And you know, I've had someone text me, you know

691
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks, Robert Rochelle is gonna

692
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: be a guy that is gonna you know, if he

693
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: was invited to combine, would would test really well. And

694
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: when teams do get his testing numbers, they're gonna be

695
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: blown away by some of the numbers that he puts up.

696
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's a guy. You know that We'll

697
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: have the Cowboys interests no matter what. But I'm glad

698
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: these all school guys are getting some love and getting

699
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: some shine because it's always some of the like some

700
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: of the fun, but also difficult things. When you're watching

701
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: tape of these guys, as brought us always says, there's

702
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: a bounce house, you know, back there while they're playing

703
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: and things like that, and there's ten people in the stands,

704
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: it could be hard to go okay, Well, how was

705
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: that gonna stack up when it's time to go block

706
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa. Well, it's probably not gonna go well for

707
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: anyone who has to block Nick Bosa, But like you

708
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: really have to try to go okay, how are they

709
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: going to handle this next level of competition? And to

710
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: see these small school guys Jalen Moore's another guy. To

711
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: see those guys do well is very encouraging because it's

712
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: something that helps you with your evaluation a lot. I'd

713
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: throw Kay Johnson in there as well. The South Dakota Yeah,

714
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver. He's done a really nice job this week.

715
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: He's he's undersized, but he's catching everything his way. His

716
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: route quickness has been impressive. And this isn't the guy

717
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: who was a walk on at South Dakota State, not

718
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: just an FCS guy. He had a walk on, which

719
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: is really impressive. I know, Bucky, you'll appreciate this, but

720
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: I got some Dennis Northcut vibes from Kase just you

721
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: know a slot who's tough, he can work the middle

722
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: of the field. You know the quickness that he plays with.

723
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: So he's a good player. He's a really good player,

724
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: very productive. I think when you look at his numbers

725
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty nine receptions, twenty five hundred plus

726
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: yards and twenty five touchdowns, the ability to put the

727
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: ball into paint, to me is really important. I like

728
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: to see guys score touchdowns because most guys who score

729
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: touchdowns at Laura levels, they score touchdowns in the pros.

730
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: I think the one thing Kat you brought up about

731
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: Robert Rochelle, here's something that I think we all can

732
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 1: learn from when we talk about like a guy who's

733
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: a freak athlete. This year more than any of the year,

734
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: going back to people's high school track times, that is

735
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 1: going to matter the fact that he ran ten eight

736
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: in high school in Louisiana, which has produced some track

737
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,479
Speaker 1: and field athletes. That helps him because when you don't

738
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: have the combine in pro days all subjective, the fact

739
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: that you can pull the page and say he was

740
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: a ten aide in high school, you can kind of

741
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: project out what that looks like. He is a guy

742
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: that is going to probably be drafted and higher than

743
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: most of us talk about just because he's a size

744
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: speed phena and he does have ball skills on tape. Now,

745
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: I think that's a great point. I think that'll help

746
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: Dwayne Eskridge as well, who he won the two hundred

747
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: meters as a junior and then as a senior won

748
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: one hundred meters and the two hundred meters. I think

749
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: he was a ten five guy. So uh yeah, So

750
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: I think that'll that's that's a great point, Bucky, because

751
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: that's some of those, uh some of those numbers. You know,

752
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going to come from Pro days

753
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: and all that, but if you ran fast in high school,

754
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: then you know, I think that kind of sets the

755
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: stage for the type of athlete you are. That's some

756
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: Bucky Brook speed out there is what Dwayne Eskridge is

757
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: putting on film. Yeah, No, not like that, not even

758
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: close to Bucky brook Speed. That's what we're talking about now.

759
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: I'm waiting. I'm waiting for a Burgler to bring out

760
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: a compy like, Oh, he reminds me a lot of

761
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks back in the day. How about that? But

762
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: do com let's go DD on Twitter ass thoughts on

763
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: a wake Forest quarterback Jamie Newman so far and what

764
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: he could bring as a mid round option at quarterback

765
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: once again, another opt out and somebody who actually transferred

766
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: then opted out and never got to play a snap

767
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: at his various schools. But Bucky, what do you think

768
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: about Jamie Newman and what he's brought so far? You know,

769
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: it's funny. He's a wild card to me. But I

770
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: think right now the quarterback position, in terms of evaluating it,

771
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: I have no idea how to do it based on

772
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: the players that are playing in the league. I'm seeing

773
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: John Wolford start for the Rams and they're talking about

774
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: him competing for a job with Jared Golf. I've seen

775
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill go from being a guy that was a

776
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: runner only at by U Taxi starting games, and so

777
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: now I'm more than ever you have to use imagination.

778
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: I think for Jamie Newman. Look, he's a talented doing

779
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: thread playmaker. He's more of an athlete than a passer.

780
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: You go back and look at him at wake for us,

781
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: when he runs the football, he's rugging and all that.

782
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: But he's a hit or miss passer, and so what

783
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: do you do with that? And so I see him

784
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: as a developmental prospect. I think the thing that he's

785
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: done best down at the Senior Bowl is when they

786
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: get him on the move, particularly when he's rolling to

787
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: his right. He can do the movement stuff. But I

788
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: think he is someone that a coach has to take

789
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: a personal interest in a less take him, less develop him.

790
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: Let's see who we can get as a guy that

791
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: comes in as a later round prospect, someone that we

792
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: can stash on the practice squad and maybe down the

793
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: line he can pop and do something for us. Then

794
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: one thing I'll say about Newman is I think you

795
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: expected a little bit of a rush factor with him

796
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: this week, just because he you know, he's been throwing obviously,

797
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: but he didn't play this year as an opt out.

798
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: But to his credit, he has looked pretty smooth. You know,

799
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: he has looked as consistent, if not more so than

800
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: a Kellen Mond in terms of throwing the football down

801
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: the field. So that's a good thing for him. The

802
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: biggest thing for Jamie Newman this week is probably going

803
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: to be behind the scenes and the interviews. Um. Just

804
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: you know, their teams are going to grill them and say, Okay, well,

805
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: you know you you you left your teammates at Wake

806
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: Forest for what you thought was a better opportunity than

807
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: you left that opportunity without even suiting. You know, they're

808
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: gonna grow them on some of his decisions, and you know,

809
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: it's it's he has to be ready for that. I'm

810
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: sure he's prepared for those, uh, those questions, but he

811
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: has to come up with the answers that are really

812
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: going to satisfy teams for why he made the decisions

813
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: that he did. I hate quarterbacks, um, and just swhere

814
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm at. That's the quote of the day. It's just

815
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: I hate quarterbacks. I'm gonna make T shirts quarterback. I

816
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: don't enjoy scouting them anymore. It's not fun to be anymore. Uh,

817
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are difficult, man, Um. And you know what, Dak

818
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: might have been the one that ruined that for me. Uh,

819
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: it's like, oh why didn't I have him graded higher?

820
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: Why did I not have Dak stuck granted higher? Maybe

821
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: it's that I hate quarterback action, Katie. I think it's

822
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: a different it's a different times it's evolved, and it's

823
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: involved right in front of our eyes, because I mean,

824
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: you talk about Dak, I mean Dak ad Mississippi State,

825
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: like we talked about like he was a runner. He

826
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: was really a phenomen running the ball. He was tough,

827
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: there was that tebow stuff that people had talked about,

828
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: and you liked him, but who knew that he would

829
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: be what he's become as an NFL player. And as

830
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: the NFL has changed, I think our eyes kind of

831
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: have to change in terms of what what could they be?

832
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: What if? And what if you get someone that likes him,

833
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 1: they're willing to revamp their offense to allow them to play.

834
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: That didn't used to be the case, which makes it

835
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 1: even more difficult because you just don't know. I think

836
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: one of those other guys that go for Katie, I'm sorry,

837
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: col it's all you, but not you, buddy. I was no,

838
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: You're good. I was just gonna say one of those

839
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: guys that's gonna make you hate quarterbacks more. I think

840
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: it's Mac Jones who's actually down in Mobile at the moment,

841
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: because I don't I don't know what to think about

842
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: Mac Jones because I was of the thought process kind

843
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: of like a lot of the nation was, is that

844
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: he was a backup quarterback going in to the twenty

845
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: twenty season, and then he comes out, he has a

846
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: terrible for three weeks of the year, then he tears

847
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: it up the rest of the way and wins a

848
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: national championship, has a Joe Burrow like rise, even though

849
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want to compare it to Joe Burrow,

850
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: but I mean it was comparable. It really was the

851
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: season that he had. And now he comes to Senior

852
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: Bowl and he just shows out and he's the best quarterback,

853
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: head and shoulders above everybody else. Bucky, tell me why

854
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: Mac Jones has gotten into the conversation at the top

855
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: ten pick for me, because I've really liked what I've seen.

856
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: I love the leadership, the build. I mean, there's a

857
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: lot of guys and MG asked me that too, well.

858
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: MG asked it on Twitter. He said, has Mac Jones

859
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: already done enough to get in the top ten quarter

860
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: conversation at quarterback. No, I don't think. I don't think

861
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: he's in the top ten conversation. I think people are

862
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: going to talk themselves into thinking he's a first round pick.

863
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: I think the tough thing is when you're looking at quarterbacks,

864
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: like the guys that are ahead of him, the Trey

865
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: Lances to Justin Fields, to Zach Wilsons, Trevor Lawrence. I

866
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: believe you could take those guys and drop them anywhere

867
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: and their talent would show up. I don't feel the

868
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: same way about Mac Jones. I know he's playing in

869
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: a perfect environment. Everything is right around and right play caller.

870
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: I think because the NFL game has changed, it's hard

871
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: to play with kind of like that traditional guy that

872
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: doesn't move around at all. So I like what he

873
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: does in terms of processing. I like the way that

874
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: he can kind of finesse the ball in time and

875
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: touch and anticipation. But the big question mark to me

876
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: is what is he going to be like when everything

877
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: isn't right around him? Can you win with that quarterback?

878
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: And it just makes it hard. I know he's probably

879
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: gonna go into first round. I just would have a

880
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: tough time if it's my team saying okay, I'm going

881
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: to take Mac Jones and I know he can't make

882
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: it right when I'm wrong, And then it might gonna

883
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: be Sean McVay mad at Jerry Goff all over again,

884
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: because it's kind of like this same thing. Sean McVay

885
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: is mad because Jerry Goff can't make it right with

886
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: his athleticism. Is someone gonna end up being frustrated with

887
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: Mac Jones because he also can't make it writ in

888
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: that regard. Yeah, Bucky's right, and it's so much about

889
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: his fit. I mean, think about Mac Jones in that

890
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: Chargers offense. You know you see Justin Herbert moving around

891
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: and using his arm talent. I mean, Mac Jones can't

892
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: do anything close to what Justin Herbert did this past

893
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: year as a rookie. But maybe if you dropped him

894
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: into that Saints offense, you know, it'll look a lot

895
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: different with what Mac Jones is asked to do. So, yeah,

896
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: the fit is going to be huge. And something about

897
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: this offseason, this might be this. I know this sounds hyperbolic,

898
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: but this might be the craziest off season when it

899
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: comes to quarterback movement. You know, we've got to Shaun

900
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: Watson Matthew Stafford is Jared Goff on his way out.

901
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much quarterback turmoil from team the team.

902
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean there could be you know, twenty teams that

903
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: are looking at their quarterback situation, and you know, are

904
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: are looking at all their different options both in the

905
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: draft and then throughout the league. So it's going to

906
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: be an exercise of musical chairs. You know who's going

907
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: to be left without that chair and who might feel

908
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: maybe compelled to take a mac Jones a little bit

909
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: earlier than maybe they normally would. Yeah, two minutes before

910
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: our show started, it was reported an official Deshaun Watson

911
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, I'm asking for a trade. So like

912
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: the hiring of Culley is not even gonna like, that's

913
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: not gonna help keep him there. So maybe he like

914
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: this is you're you're right. I do love quarterback movement

915
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: as much as I hate quarterbacks. I love quarterback chaos.

916
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: I like that. Matt Jones for me, I mean, like

917
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: to me, I view him as like, I mean, in

918
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: you're right, Dane fit Matters, can you develop him? Can

919
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: you are you asking him to come in and start

920
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: right away? I don't. I don't think I'm ready for that.

921
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna say he did what he did.

922
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 1: I want you want to give him credit. He didn't

923
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: make a play in the team drills where he's rolling

924
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: to his right and I forgot who was rushed him

925
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: and I was trying to get to come in and

926
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: sack him and they couldn't. He's rolling to his right.

927
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: Makes it throw on the run. But what was also

928
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: evident when he was rolling to his right is how

929
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: slow he is, which you know, it's not an insult

930
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: coming for me, um, you know it's not. That's not

931
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: an insult. It's just you know, it was like, okay, yeah,

932
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: he was lumbering to move five yards to his right,

933
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: throw right on the money, beat the defender. It was

934
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: a great it was a great play. I it's just

935
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: not and maybe I maybe it's the whole having excellent

936
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: weapons at Alabama, but I just I can't think about

937
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: mac Jones in a first round. I just can't do it, Katie.

938
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: Was it the touchdown pass that you're talking about whenever

939
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: he had to roll out and it was in that

940
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: end of the game, that end of game drills like

941
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: fourth and four from or fourth and goal from the

942
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: four was Jabril Cox on his backside coming after him

943
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: and he was closing in pretty quickly. And Jabrill Cox,

944
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I like him a lot as a linebacker,

945
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: but he was barreling down and mac Jones had had

946
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: to get that ball out quickly. He did complete it

947
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: actually to an LS who wide receiver. It was Racy

948
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: McMath was. Yeah, it was the wide receiver that caught

949
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: that touchdown pass. But it was a good play. But

950
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: you're right, I mean it showed how slow he was

951
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: and how much of a lack of mobility that he

952
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: has the show compared to maybe a guy like a

953
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. That a lot of people are at least

954
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: throwing those two names in the pot because of the

955
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: stats of their final season at the collegiate level. But

956
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: it's not the same type of player, it really isn't.

957
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for Twitter on the

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00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,839
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960
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: at the offensive side of the football. Are there any

961
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,120
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962
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,400
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1010
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: get to biggest risers and largest declines. Anybody stick out

1011
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the football. We've talked about

1012
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: the offensive line, but I want to hear some skills positions,

1013
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: some running backs, some wide receivers. I know Kadarius Tony

1014
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: probably the most talented player on paper, but he's kind

1015
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: of been banged up throughout the week with a bit

1016
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: of a rib injury. He was kind of hobbled on

1017
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: an ankle a little bit, and so he hasn't necessarily

1018
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: shown out. But anybody that's stuck out to you so

1019
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: far this week, Bucky, that's caught your eye. Okay. I

1020
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: know you guys have coined the phrase like pet cat, right.

1021
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: The pet cat for me is Dmitric Felton from UCLA

1022
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: and watching how the game is shifting where people want

1023
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: these wingbacks on the perimeter. We've seen Deebo, Samuel Brandon,

1024
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: Aiyuk and those guys kind of make their way in

1025
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Felton, to me, is really intriguing the fact

1026
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: that he's been the last two years in the backfield

1027
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: running the ball, catching the ball out of the backfield.

1028
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: Then he comes out and lines out wide the first

1029
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: del practice and gets open. You see the speed and quickness.

1030
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: I just believe there's so many people that are looking

1031
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: at these hybrid players, particularly after watching the Kansas City Chiefs.

1032
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that has certainly helped himself

1033
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: with his performance this week. It's funny, he's like the

1034
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: opposite Antonio Gibson, you know, last year coming out of

1035
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: Memphis and from receiver to running back at the Senior Bowl.

1036
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: Felton going from running back to receiver, which is just

1037
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, it fits his skill set. I've been really

1038
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: impressed with him as well, soft hands, he looks good

1039
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: out there. So yeah, I think Demitric Felton for a

1040
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: team looking for that Niheen Hines type of players, that's

1041
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: that's uh. Felton Felton can fill that role. I don't

1042
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: know what it is. It might be the It might

1043
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: be the UCLA Dome because I remember last year when

1044
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: I first met Dane and Bucky, they were talking about

1045
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: Joshua Kelly after Senior Bowl last year because of the

1046
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: kind of upstart that he had, and I mean even

1047
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: Bucky was talking about him being a pet cat last year.

1048
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: So it must be the UCLA running backs, Dan, anybody

1049
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: that sticks out from a skills position. Uh. Amari Rodgers

1050
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: has been awesome, which I think we expected. Uh. You know,

1051
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: I watched the clumpson tape. You know what Amari Rodgers is, um.

1052
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: You know, his place strength is fantastic. U. He's been

1053
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: very good catching the ball, putting it away. Us been

1054
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: tough for corners to stick with him. Josh Palmer from Tennessee,

1055
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: I think, you know, once he got out of the

1056
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: shadow of Knoxville and the quarterback situation they had going on,

1057
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: Josh Palmer has been able to show out here a

1058
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: little bit big. He's got good speed, better route runner

1059
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: than I think what we saw at Tennessee. And you know,

1060
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: I all got to do a stroll on the tape

1061
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: of him. VERSU Alabama see him go against Curtan to

1062
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: know he's got talent, and I think he's been able

1063
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: to show it here today. So I think Josh Palmer

1064
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: has certainly helped himself a couple of these sec receivers

1065
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 1: with uh, you know, obviously Kedarius Tony even though he's

1066
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: he's had he's had the drops, but uh, you know

1067
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: it's good luck trying to cover him. And then uh,

1068
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: you know Shy Smith. He looked really good on Day one,

1069
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: got banged up a little bit yesterday day two. So

1070
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: the sec receivers have really stood out, Katie, Yeah, I'll

1071
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: add on to that. I mean, look, Amari Rodgers to

1072
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: me has been the best, the best wide receiver here.

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00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: Um and Knarius Tony, who I love and have a

1074
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: first round grade on those drops yesterday, you know, not

1075
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: a full evaluation on those drops, but just something to

1076
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: jot down and add to the notepad. You know, But

1077
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm already Rodgers is he is the most He's one

1078
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: of my favorite players in the draft. I know Dan's

1079
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: been on him all along, but you know, settling again

1080
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago and watching his tape and

1081
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: all of his tape and going holy cow that is.

1082
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: That's a lot of fun. Um. You know another name

1083
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: I thought there is And if you know me, I'm

1084
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: a guy who is all about the separator. Smaller guys

1085
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: make it easy on the quarterbacks. Okay, try not to

1086
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: have a defensive back all over you. But one guy

1087
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: who has really impressed me, and I haven't seen much

1088
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: of his tape as Frank Darby of Arizona State. Um,

1089
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: I've liked him a little bit of wide receiver as well,

1090
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: and I still need gotting a full evaluation on him

1091
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: as we're going forward. But that's one of those names.

1092
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: Another fun thing about the Singer Bowl for me is like,

1093
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,959
Speaker 1: oh there's a name right there. Okay, all right, let's

1094
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: go and look at that tape a little further and

1095
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: see what else we can find out about the guy.

1096
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: And you know, we talked about Eskridge earlier, Dwayne Eskridge

1097
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: from We Again. He's gonna be a broken record by

1098
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: the time, especially if we let Kavanall back on these podcasts,

1099
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: because he's gonna love him too, I would imagine. But

1100
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: like the separator, the deceleration, you know, along with the acceleration,

1101
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: like those things are just amazing when you can get

1102
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: that separation and make it easy on the quarterbacks, because

1103
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: as I told you in the last segment, I hate quarterbacks.

1104
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: But if we can make it easy on him, that's good.

1105
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: Little Maury Rodgers, Oh my god, that guy's a bit.

1106
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: I've also had some people ask me about Marquez, Stevenson,

1107
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: Dane really quickly thirty seconds synopsis on what you've seen

1108
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: from Stevenson. The wide receiver out of Houston. Pure speed,

1109
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: that's what he offers. Doesn't have the best body type.

1110
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: He's about one hundred and eighty pounds, but he can fly.

1111
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: You know, good luck trying to stick with him vertically.

1112
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: And if he adds maybe a few more branches to

1113
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: that route tree h he's going to see more playing

1114
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: time in the NFL. How would you compare him to

1115
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: two two at Well Louisville, Yeah, two two he's he's

1116
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: he's much more under sized. I think I'm really eager

1117
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: to see what he weighs in at. He looks like

1118
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: he might be more like one seventy one seventy five.

1119
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um. I want to see two two

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00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: become a more polished receiver underneath and you know, create

1121
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: those those after the catch opportunities. He can fly when

1122
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: he's got a runway. But I want to see a

1123
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: little bit more make you miss and and things like that.

1124
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: But he's with that speed, you know, the NFL is

1125
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: going to take a lot of notice, that's for sure.

1126
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: That would be the name of Dame Brugler's rap album

1127
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: or maybe rap song as he could fly if he

1128
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 1: had a runway. I don't know why that just stuck

1129
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: out to me as a really fun line. All Right,

1130
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: Biggest Riser, I like it. I think we need to

1131
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: make that too. T shirts and rap albums. On this

1132
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: edition of the Draft Show Biggest Risers this week from Mobile,

1133
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: Dane will start with you really quickly, who has made

1134
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: the most money this week? Well, there's no doubt it's

1135
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: it's Quinn miners Um, but we already talked about him,

1136
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: so I'll try to pick someone else. What about Jontay

1137
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: Smith East Carolina Tackle? He's been really, really impressive And

1138
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: it started with the wayns O were thirty five inch arms,

1139
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: the longest of any offensive lineman here. Wow. And I

1140
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: actually tweeted out before the Senior Bowl h some some

1141
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: clips of him working out and making you know, forty

1142
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: two inch box jumps and so you see the athleticism

1143
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: and it's translated. I really wanted to see how could

1144
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: he hold up in space with his anchor and you know,

1145
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: could he match power for power? And he's done a

1146
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: nice job tying up rushers and not looking out of place.

1147
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: They've tried to make guard. I think he's he's done

1148
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: okay at guard, but I think he's much better at tackle.

1149
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: Jontay Smith. When you've got the foundational traits of the

1150
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: quickness and the length and what he's done this week,

1151
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: he's definitely going to be a riser. Bucky. That is

1152
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: a good one. That is a going. Now, that's a going.

1153
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: He's one of the guys that I've talked about. I'll

1154
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: talk about Michael Carter. We talked about him off air.

1155
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: Michael Carter to me, I think has been better. He's

1156
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: been better than expected. Having watched him all year at

1157
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: North Carolina, you just kind of wonder how good is he?

1158
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: How much of it is a byproduct of the offense

1159
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: to feel long ago runs. But look, he's been tough

1160
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: and physical running the ball. He catches the ball, I

1161
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: think a lot better than people give him credit for it.

1162
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: He reminds me a little bit of claud with so

1163
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: Lar in terms of his timing in the screen game.

1164
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: He has a chance to be a really good player.

1165
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he's on the same level as

1166
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: his teammate Javonte Williams, but he is a really good

1167
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: player in a very crowded running back class. Yeah, I

1168
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: think for me, for Riser, I'm gonna throw Richie Grant

1169
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: out there in the safety from Central Florida, who we

1170
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: talked about earlier. But you know, his ball skills will

1171
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: jump out and this environment of practices and things like that,

1172
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna see those plays and go WHOA. You know,

1173
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to see a speed, see that

1174
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: he can cover and things like that. I mean, it's

1175
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: a draft where we're kind of looking for a safety

1176
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: to break out too. Who can gonna be that safety

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00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: that can kind of get in the mix. And everyone

1178
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: kind of likes Maury from TCU, Jeff likes the other

1179
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: safety from tcusing you Richie Grant is a guy. I

1180
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: feel like we're getting a pretty good consensus on a

1181
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: lot of people, and I know I'm included. After watching

1182
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: his tape and seeing what he's done a part the

1183
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: senior bal. I think Richie Grant is a name that's

1184
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: going to continue to climb and kind of get in

1185
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: the mix to be that top safety in the class.

1186
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: All right, finally, great Richie Grant might be the second

1187
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: safety drafted after More. Wow, that's pretty I mean, I

1188
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: don't necessarily disagree. I think the safety class is pretty

1189
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: thin this year, and I think he's one of the

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00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: guys up at the top. Now, final thing before we

1191
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: get wrapped up here on the show Bucky, and we'll

1192
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: start with Bucky. But who do you guys think needs

1193
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: to show more Thursday and then of course and when

1194
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: the game actually happens on Saturday. I think the big

1195
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: receivers need to show up. So Nico Collins and Safet.

1196
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: We haven't seen those guys, and I know like the

1197
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: game is trending where big guys dominate. I just need

1198
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: to see them show up. I haven't seen enough wild players.

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00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: We've talked about all these other receivers and we've yet

1200
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: to mention them. I think I need to see Nico

1201
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: Collins and say Sharat show up. Dan. I would look

1202
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: for one of these quarterbacks to really kind of take

1203
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: it over. I mean, last year we saw Justin Herbert

1204
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: from start to finish really be the guy. This year,

1205
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: I don't know that we have a player that's kind

1206
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: of shown out as the top quarterback clearly, you know,

1207
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: I think Mac Jones is that guy. But be great

1208
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: to see one of these quarterbacks really step up and say, Okay,

1209
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: this is my opportunity and I'm gonna I'm gonna take

1210
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: it run with it. And you know, this is why

1211
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: you should pay attention to me. Yeah, I had on

1212
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: my on my followers or guess you're who need to

1213
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: step up a sage sharatt the buck you said. But

1214
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: also I'm a fan of the you know, the freakish

1215
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: guys in terms of like their length at the offensive tackle.

1216
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: But my guy from Northern Iowa, Spencer Brown, has gotten

1217
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: to look better. Yeah, just kind of getting run over

1218
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: a little bit, not playing with power and quite frankly,

1219
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: he's got a ben more and I know he's six

1220
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: to seven, but he's a guy who's got some projectability

1221
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: and has some upside. But he hasn't looked good in

1222
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 1: the first two days in my opinion from the reps

1223
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: i've seen. And that's a guy i'd like to see

1224
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: kind of get it together and get back in the

1225
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: mix for some ot depth in the draft. I expect

1226
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: him more out of him this week, and you're right,

1227
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: I don't think the tape has really lived up to it.

1228
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: And then Bucky, to your point, you look at some

1229
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: of the bigger receivers that have come through Mobile and

1230
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: talking about physical big receivers, I mean, Chase Claypool separated

1231
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: himself last year and look what he had of a

1232
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: rookie season with Pittsburgh. So I mean it can happen.

1233
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: It just hasn't happened yet with the guys like Sage

1234
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: Tarat out of wake Forest and some of these other

1235
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: bigger receivers that made the trip to Mobile. But we'll

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01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: be back to break it all down for you on Tuesday.

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01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: Still plenty to come from Mobile. Be sure to tune

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01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: in to Bucky Brooks on the NFL Network, keep up

1239
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: with Dame Brugler on the app let it Katie will

1240
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: be back next Thursday. We'll be back next Tuesday on

1241
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show ten am Central Time,

1242
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: and we will break it down with Brian brought us

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01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks and David Hellman. But Fort Dane Burglar, Bucky

1244
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: Brooks and Kevin Turner and Chris Beam in the backup

1245
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman saying so long thanks for joining us here

1246
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: on the Draft Show. This has been a production of

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01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,160
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