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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: Nori with you our special guest, doctor eric I Elliot.

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Speaker 1: Her book is Medicine and Miracles in the High Desert,

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Speaker 1: and of course we're talking about her life. On how

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Speaker 1: long did you stay on the reservation, Erica? I stayed

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Speaker 1: two years, and then I wanted to perfect my Navajo

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Speaker 1: and so I went to live with the family. Spoke

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Speaker 1: no English, and I became a sheepherder five hundred ninety

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Speaker 1: four sheep and goats, and I did that for a

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Speaker 1: few months, and I learned everything about really traditional life.

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Speaker 1: It was, oh my gosh, very much like a hundred

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Speaker 1: years ago or something. And I learned how to shear

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Speaker 1: sheep and card the wool and spin it and weave

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Speaker 1: and get the plants to die the wool, and butcher.

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Speaker 1: I butchered a sheep. That was really hard for me.

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Speaker 1: That and then I wanted to learn more about indigenous people,

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Speaker 1: so I joined the Peace Corps and worked high in

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Speaker 1: the Andes with Quechua speaking Indians who were descendants of

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Speaker 1: the Incas. But you know, George, I wanted to tell

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Speaker 1: you about what happened when I spoke those few words

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Speaker 1: of Navajo. Everything changed. I mean, the kids just came alive.

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Speaker 1: And they asked me to take out each kid every weekend,

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Speaker 1: to take out a different kid and drive them to

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Speaker 1: their remote homesteads out in the middle of nowhere. And

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Speaker 1: it was incredible because they invited me to ceremonies that

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Speaker 1: white people never experienced and usually aren't allowed in those ceremonies,

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Speaker 1: and they completely took me in and it changed my life.

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Speaker 1: And what happened to the children is they saw how

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Speaker 1: excited I was about learning about their lives and their culture.

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Speaker 1: And it turns out these kids were actually incredibly smart.

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Speaker 1: And it's too bad the other teachers didn't realize that

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Speaker 1: because they wanted so much for me to learn about

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Speaker 1: their lives that they learned English so fast that this

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Speaker 1: is unbelievable. But I have a newspaper article to prove

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Speaker 1: what I'm about to say. Three of the children, one

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Speaker 1: a regional speech contest. And these were children who really

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Speaker 1: couldn't together. It shows you when how much transformation happens

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Speaker 1: when there's love involved. I loved these kids, and they

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Speaker 1: knew it, and it made them come so alive. And wow,

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Speaker 1: were they smart. They were really smart kids. They're all

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Speaker 1: adults now, aren't they. They're all adults. And I wanted

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Speaker 1: to tell you or your listeners that I had I

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Speaker 1: knew that. Um we got a picture by the way

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Speaker 1: of you with the kids. Oh yeah, thirty six kids. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just was so in love with them, and I

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Speaker 1: knew their all, their whole family. I you know, it'd

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Speaker 1: spend a whole weekend with each of the kids. So

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Speaker 1: for thirty six weekends, I was with a different kid.

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Speaker 1: And they didn't speak English, the families, the grandmothers and

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Speaker 1: the parents, and so I really had to learn Navajo

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Speaker 1: to really converse, and that that was hard. I was

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Speaker 1: already linguistically oriented because I had lived in different countries

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Speaker 1: in Europe because my parents worked, but I had never

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Speaker 1: faced a language that was so challenging. And well that's

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Speaker 1: why they were our code talkers during World War Two,

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Speaker 1: so the Germans wouldn't figure out what we were up to. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I want to tell you something else. So I

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Speaker 1: knew that boarding schools had a really bad history with

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Speaker 1: abusing the children, but this boarding school was really different.

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Speaker 1: Part of it was this is different era. This was

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, so things had already changed. But I

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Speaker 1: asked the principle why why this was different because they

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Speaker 1: were nice to the students. They didn't hit them or

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Speaker 1: you know, punish them for speaking their language or doing

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Speaker 1: of Indian Affairs. He said, there's we have this white

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Speaker 1: teacher who speaks Navajo and she's on her own doing

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Speaker 1: something that looks like bilingual bicultural education, and you know,

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Speaker 1: do you want to use her as a pilot program

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Speaker 1: because that's when that was a brand new concept, it

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Speaker 1: and you know, it was really exciting how we collaborated

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Speaker 1: and he allowed me. He really we really bonded, and

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Speaker 1: he normally he had to make sure the teachers followed

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Speaker 1: I made my own curriculum instead of the Dick and

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Speaker 1: like going into the canyon and doing these little adventures

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Speaker 1: and then they'd come back and write about it, and um,

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Speaker 1: most people probably don't even know that this Navajo reservation

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Speaker 1: of seventeen million acres exists. That's that's right. And so

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Speaker 1: I think if the listeners decide to read the book,

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Speaker 1: I think it'll be mind blowing. In fact, it's so

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Speaker 1: mind blowing some of the things I saw, like with

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Speaker 1: the payote ceremony, Well, yeah, you saw some miracles which

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Speaker 1: I want to get into too. Yeah, okay, I'll let

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Speaker 1: you take over. I just wanted to make that connection.

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Speaker 1: I can tell how excited you are about this project.

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Speaker 1: You've been oh so excited, George. It changed my life completely.

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Speaker 1: How are they living now, Erica on the reservation? I mean,

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Speaker 1: are they happy? Is it? Is it well provided for? No,

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Speaker 1: It's it's a rugged life. There's housing bad and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, it's it's very rugged. So they got

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Speaker 1: the land, but that's about it. Huh. Yeah, the government

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Speaker 1: hasn't kept its promises very well. But now, like I said,

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Speaker 1: there's a silver lining to that. These young people are

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Speaker 1: getting just so amped up about changing things and making

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Speaker 1: the people more self reliant like that. You well, and

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Speaker 1: when you say young people, you're saying non Native American kids. No, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry Native their own Navajo people. Okay, Okay, the

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Speaker 1: young people, like in their thirty twenties to forty, let's say,

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Speaker 1: are really starting to make a difference on the reservation.

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Speaker 1: All right. So the name of your book is called

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Speaker 1: Medicine and Miracles in the High Desert. What miracles? Okay?

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Speaker 1: So one of the families was a member of the

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Speaker 1: Native American church, which is the Payote religion that's borrowed

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Speaker 1: from the Plains Indians. That's not traditional Navjope, but many

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Speaker 1: tribes adopted this from from the Lakota people. The Lakota

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Speaker 1: people found use of Payote in ceremonial religious purposes that

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Speaker 1: it helped them cope when they were being slaughtered um

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Speaker 1: a source of great comfort to them and solace to

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Speaker 1: have this plant medicine that helped them cope, and and

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Speaker 1: and again the Navajoes adopted it and so um, white

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Speaker 1: I was invited, and um it was legal for Navajos.

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Speaker 1: The government gave permission and they would go to Texas

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Speaker 1: jewelry and turquoise. I looked like I was going to

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Speaker 1: a Navo prom or something. I really was. I was

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Speaker 1: around all night and they were praying for healing of

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Speaker 1: a baby. And um and I sang. And you know,

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Speaker 1: some people thought Native people are not emotional. They got

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Speaker 1: really emotional and um in their prayers. They were tears

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Speaker 1: coming down there. We'll tell us when you took the pyot,

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Speaker 1: what happened to you? Okay, every time something miracle, something

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Speaker 1: miraculous happened the first time, what was so amazing, George

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Speaker 1: is I was just there about a month or two,

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Speaker 1: so I was just barely learning Navajo. I could say,

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Speaker 1: do you have? And stuff? Not much? And so my um,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't. I started drumming, and I started singing,

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Speaker 1: But you were? Were you pretty accurate? Though? Singing? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you how this ends. I just thought, I'm

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Speaker 1: can't possibly be true because I've never heard these songs

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Speaker 1: And so after the peyote wore off and it became daylight,

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Speaker 1: The medicine man at the Payoty ceremonies are called roadman,

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Speaker 1: and they don't they don't say medicine man, said roadman.

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Speaker 1: The roadman looked at me and started talking to me

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Speaker 1: And everybody burst out laughing, and he said, you sure

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Speaker 1: talked up a storm last night. You don't remember. I remember,

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Speaker 1: but I thought it wasn't real. I thought that can't

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Speaker 1: be real, like a dream. Yeah, I thought the whole

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Speaker 1: thing was a dream. And he said, no, it was real.

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Speaker 1: I was really singing song. I said, but I don't

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Speaker 1: even know those songs. He said, well, that's what the

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Speaker 1: medicine does. They call it plant medicine. That's what the

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Speaker 1: medicine does. Now do they give this medicine to people

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Speaker 1: who are sick, Yes, they do. So it's used for

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Speaker 1: have time for me to tell about how a tumor disappeared,

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Speaker 1: I just have a minute to go. You had a tumor, Yes,

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Speaker 1: it was like a lymph gland, like a lymphoman that

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Speaker 1: that was benign or cancers know that the internist said

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Speaker 1: I touched my under my jaw and it disappeared. And

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Speaker 1: you think it's going to come back? Right? I can't

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Speaker 1: believe it after fifty years. It's that it's permanently gone.

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