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Speaker 1: Great move to the right at the fifty, comes back

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Speaker 1: Hey's at the twenty. Fatena touchdown. Cardinals rise up and

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Speaker 1: make a play. Hit one hit. Oh my goodness, he

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Speaker 1: with malice. Here's Paul Calvc, you know, in honor of

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Speaker 1: Cards camp. Gentlemen, I'm thinking we should start with something

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, but we really should pay it

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Speaker 1: forward here on Cardinals Underground Paul Calvc, Calder Guard, Darren Irvitt,

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Speaker 1: and Craig Grielu, who gets a little credit for because

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what Craig Grilo says. We should name this

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Speaker 1: addition to the podcast Cardinals Above Ground. There you go.

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Speaker 1: As as as stated, that's it. That's all the credit

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Speaker 1: Grilo gets now that he's a decision making producer around here. Apparently, honestly, Paul,

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Speaker 1: gonna respectfully disagree. Well, it's not the first time you've

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Speaker 1: local d Kyle, how are we doing in this game?

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Speaker 1: I asked you earlier on a card Camp Central. You

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Speaker 1: this motion stuff, and they hand it off on jet

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00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 1: sweeps a decent amount of time, and sometimes they don't

428
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Speaker 1: and it's just a decoy. But Andy Isabella gets your

429
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Speaker 1: attention when he's doing that stuff. And if you throw

430
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,360
Speaker 1: Andy Isabella a bubble screen and he makes a guy

431
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 1: miss all of a sudden, you can talk about a

432
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 1: pretty big play. So I mean, I look at you

433
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: look at last year, and I feel like you were

434
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Speaker 1: hoping that Kyler and Cliff could have a big season

435
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't really a lot of subs since behind

436
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 1: that hope. But now that they've done it for a season,

437
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 1: they had so much success toward the end of the year,

438
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 1: and you add Hopkins, I feel like it's a lot

439
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: more realistic this season because you've seen what they can

440
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,360
Speaker 1: do already. Knowing how much Kyler is going to improve

441
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: in a second year. When you look historically at quarterbacks

442
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: and getting the all Pro receiver and like you said,

443
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Speaker 1: Andy Isabella in his second year. Christian Kirk is only

444
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Speaker 1: in his third year. There's a lot of young pieces

445
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Speaker 1: on offense that should continue to grow. Well. Disappointed right

446
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 1: now and Kyle that he mentioned Andy Isabella jet suite

447
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: decoy and he didn't. Andy. There you go. You beat

448
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: the buzzer, You beat the buzzer. That's good, that's good.

449
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: That's good. Derek, are you buying and Isabella in year two?

450
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Speaker 1: The round two pick? Because there's been a lot of

451
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Speaker 1: hype with Aie Isabel and a lot of talk what

452
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Speaker 1: have you seen? What do you think? I guess we

453
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Speaker 1: would need to define a little bit. When you say,

454
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Speaker 1: am I buying him? I guess we need to define that.

455
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're asking me, am I buying Andy

456
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Speaker 1: Isabella as guy who's gonna get sixty receptions and you know,

457
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,479
Speaker 1: eight touchdowns and kind of come out of nowhere. I

458
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm going that far, but I do

459
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 1: think he has the opportunity, depending on how this all

460
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: shakes out and how much this offense can be effective,

461
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: because again, so many mouths defeat on offense, you're gonna

462
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,719
Speaker 1: have to be super successful to get everybody's statistic. I

463
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: do think he's got a chance to make an impact there.

464
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: I do like the way he's approached practice. I do

465
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: like the way he's catching the ball with more confidence.

466
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Speaker 1: Some ways, you can kind of sometimes feel like that's

467
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: an intangible I mean, I feel like you can tangibly

468
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: see Andy Isabella catch the ball with more confidence, if

469
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Speaker 1: that makes any sense. I like the way he's carrying himself.

470
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Speaker 1: I like the fact that he said he beat himself

471
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Speaker 1: up too much last year and he's kind of put

472
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Speaker 1: a stop to that and realized, look, I'm going to

473
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Speaker 1: get criticized. You just got to make the mistake and

474
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Speaker 1: move on again. He's saying the right stuff, but I

475
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Speaker 1: think it feels like it's translating on the field, and

476
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Speaker 1: I think I don't know if we've actually talked about

477
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: on this in the past, lots of different platforms where

478
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 1: this stuff comes up, but I will say this, I

479
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: love the fact that everybody seems to back Andy Isabella.

480
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald loves Andy Isabella, Kyler Murray loves Isabella. I

481
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: think the coaches want more from him, but his teammates

482
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: are in his corner, and the right teams are in

483
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Speaker 1: his corner. I think Christian Kirk loves Andy Isabella. So

484
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Speaker 1: I think having that support from the guys that matter,

485
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Speaker 1: I think will help him in year two, and I

486
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Speaker 1: do think he can help this offense. Six or seven

487
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Speaker 1: receivers make the final fifty three? Kyle? Are we thinking seven?

488
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if it's six. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: all depends. You mentioned a guy like Jojo Ward. There's

490
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Speaker 1: a lot of bubble guys that you have to figure

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Speaker 1: out if it makes sense to put this guy on

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Speaker 1: the team. And there's a lot of things to weigh.

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Speaker 1: But six or seven, it wouldn't surprise me either way,

494
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Speaker 1: and I might be leaning towards six at this point.

495
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Speaker 1: It's interesting when Steve Kin did his media first of

496
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Speaker 1: the Year, a ninety eight seven FM Arizona Sports and

497
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 1: Cardinal's flagship, he was asked position battles, and it's what

498
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Speaker 1: he didn't name. He listed running back, he lifted safety,

499
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: he listed safety, listed linebacker, but he didn't say right

500
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Speaker 1: tackle or corner. What did you take from that, Kyle?

501
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: Real quick, and then we'll go to Darren right tackle

502
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Speaker 1: for example. I mean, is that already been decided in

503
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Speaker 1: your opinion? You think Kelvin Beecham just the experience in

504
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: ninety nine starts in his career wins out. I mean,

505
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Speaker 1: if he's a naming those positions, I think he's talking

506
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Speaker 1: more about the back end because safety, you know who

507
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: the starters are going to be, and it's more about

508
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: the competition to make the roster. But you know, talking

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Speaker 1: about right tackle, I do think Kelvin Beacham and Cliff

510
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Speaker 1: Kingsbury has said on Arizona Sports Station that if the

511
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Speaker 1: season were to start today, it would be Kelvin Beecham

512
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Speaker 1: as a starting right tackle, So I think it's been

513
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Speaker 1: trending that way, and he's a veteran with experience and

514
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Speaker 1: right now, I think he clearly is the guy that

515
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Speaker 1: they want to win that job. I think Justin Murray

516
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: as a valuable reserve. Josh Jones has talent but is

517
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: still pretty young. So yeah, I think Beacham's the guy.

518
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Speaker 1: A cornerback. Drake Kirkpatrick, do you expect him to be

519
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: the guy, Darren? And how quick do you think he is?

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00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: You know, I think that comes down to Kelvin Beecham

521
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: signed late, not as late as Drake Kirkpatrick obviously, but

522
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Speaker 1: at least he's been around for the entirety of whatever

523
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: this camp ramp up thing has been for the Cardinals,

524
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Speaker 1: whereas Kirkpatrick came a lot later, So the question becomes

525
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Speaker 1: can he absorb it as quickly as maybe Beacham has

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Speaker 1: in this situation. I mean, I do think as a cornerback,

527
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Speaker 1: and if you're talking about having a guy on the

528
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Speaker 1: island like they want to do with their cornerbacks, I

529
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Speaker 1: think that's maybe a little easier to comprehend because you know,

530
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Speaker 1: as Bruce Arians like to say, you know you got him,

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Speaker 1: You're the got him guy, you go get him or

532
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Speaker 1: whatever he used to say it. I mean, it's it's

533
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Speaker 1: not a super hard to take if you're going to

534
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: take a guy one on one on the outside and

535
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: just say stick with him. Now, is he in shape?

536
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I mean at this point, Cliff

537
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: Kingsbury is making the point that not everybody is in

538
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: the shape they need to be in anyways because of

539
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: how this has all come about. So I think ultimately

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00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: Kirkpatrick was always a guy that they wanted to have

541
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Speaker 1: end up outside. Now, whether he's there week one i'd

542
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: like to see, But we've talked about this before. Byron

543
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Speaker 1: Murphy's a guy they want to have on the inside

544
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Speaker 1: and not have on the outside. I do think if

545
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Speaker 1: it's not Kirkpatrick on the outside, it will be Murphy.

546
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Speaker 1: So it's one of those things where it's like, how

547
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: badly do you want to make sure Murphy stays inside?

548
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 1: Is how quickly Kirkpatrick comes around? I kind of look

549
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: at it like that. Yeah, I would agree with that.

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00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: And Cliff Kings also said that some of the up

551
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: Temple they've been doing a practice because you've heard some

552
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: of the defensive guys talk about how fast things have

553
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: been at times. He said, well, at that's designed for conditioning.

554
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: Make sure everybody's getting in shape. I remember into camp

555
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: last year justin Pumak of the comment I could fall

556
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: out of bed to run a ten k right now,

557
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: Mark Cardio is unlike it's it's ever been in this

558
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: Cliff Kings very offense, So I thought that was pretty

559
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: intriguing as well. How where else, I mean, when this

560
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: all comes down the final fifty three, your eyes are

561
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: gonna go where on that final roster in depth chart?

562
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: Any other areas we're missing right now? I mean, I

563
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: think what we touched on with inside linebacker, if you're

564
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: talking about which players are going to make the team.

565
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: To me, inside linebacker and safety are the most intriguing.

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Speaker 1: With Cliff mentioning Ezekiel Turner, I think that's a huge

567
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: announcement for Ezekiel Turner because Cliff Kingsbury doesn't single out

568
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: guys very regularly, and the fact that he said his name,

569
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: I think is a good sign that he's certainly in

570
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: the mix to make the team. And maybe that gives

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00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: him the idea that he's he's probably gonna make it.

572
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say for sure, but if a

573
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Speaker 1: coach is praising you, that's that's usually a good thing.

574
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: So Ezekiel Turner seemed like he was on that bubble.

575
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Speaker 1: He's a special teams like we've talked about, um, not

576
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: a big player on defense throughout his career yet. So

577
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Speaker 1: Ezekiel Turner. Evan Weaver is a draft pick who is

578
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Speaker 1: a late round pick who you know, seems like he's

579
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: in good shape to make the team. And then you

580
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: look at safety with the Charles Washington and Chris Banjo

581
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: and Deontay Thompson. Some reserve safeties all fighting and you

582
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: can easily keep four or five safeties, So I feel

583
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: like they're not only competing with each other, but also

584
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: the DJ Fosters and the Ezekiel Turners and all these

585
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: other guys from other positions where you're really looking at

586
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: them for special teams capabilities. Since I'm up here on

587
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: the set where we did the Red and White practice telecast,

588
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a dramatic reenactment. This is afterwards, towards

589
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: the end of practice. Actually, you're interviewing the defense. According

590
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: to Advanced Joseph, Wolf's over there. I don't know what

591
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: he's doing. He's probably on TikTok. I'm doing the interview

592
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: and I'm asking advance Joseph about Isaiah Simmons. So I

593
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: asked Isaiah Simmons question, and I reached over here. One

594
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: of the great things about being to the stadiums you

595
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: have a coup hold right here. I love the stadium cup.

596
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: Older Bold ask the question. I'm taking a drink. I'm

597
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: off Karen well Man's Joseph gave like a four second

598
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: answer on Isaiah Simmons, and I'm like, WHOA, Okay, Stephen

599
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: Colbert again, you know what that means? Probably something. I

600
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: don't know what that means. I mean, it doesn't mean

601
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Speaker 1: like he's really not going to have much of a

602
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: role in the opener because you have the experience of it,

603
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: of Andre Camdell. It doesn't mean like, okay, we're not

604
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Darren. I mean, what's your best guest

605
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: on Isaiah Simmons and his role early in this season.

606
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: I think that's a great question. Um, I think I

607
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Speaker 1: think one. I think it's gonna be very much week

608
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Speaker 1: to week. I think it's going to depend on who

609
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Speaker 1: they're playing or those first four games especially, you know

610
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: who they might match up with. I mean, let's face it,

611
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: that first week you're you're playing the forty nine ers

612
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Speaker 1: in George Kittle, and the whole point, well not the

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Speaker 1: whole point, but a vast majority of the point of

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Speaker 1: why you drafted Isaiah Simmons is because you desperately need

615
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Speaker 1: somebody to come over tight ends and somebody six four

616
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Speaker 1: and two hundred forty pounds that can run like the

617
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: wind is probably a good place to start. So I

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Speaker 1: would say that there's going to be a role, and

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Speaker 1: you know how diverse it is early on, I kind

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00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: of want to see that vance. Joseph has made a

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Speaker 1: very clear a couple of times when he's talked in

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Speaker 1: his Zoom interviews about Isaiah Simmons that you know, it's

623
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Speaker 1: one thing to like be mentally strong and in the classroom,

624
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: really get it and through the walkthroughs go everywhere you want.

625
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: And then when the rubber meets the road and everybody's

626
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: playing full speed, which you cannot replicate unless you're in

627
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: a game which they're not going to have, you can't know.

628
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Speaker 1: And it tends to I think the word Vance used

629
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: was it tends for you to go from being looking

630
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Speaker 1: really good to looking okay. And so I think there's

631
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Speaker 1: going to be a caution of let's make sure that

632
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is a little bit more than okay before

633
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: we start sending them everywhere. So I think that might

634
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: be part of it, at least at the outset. And

635
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Speaker 1: you know what, when I think of the opener against

636
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: the Niners, I think of Kyle Shanahan, and guys, think

637
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: of some of the innovative sets you've seen in schemes

638
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: you've seen out of Kyle Shanahan. Stuff he'll bust out

639
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: of nowhere. And now it's like Cliff Kingsbury. You give

640
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: him the entire offseason and who knows what's coming from

641
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan and that forty nine ers offense, especially since

642
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: they're doing a lot of injuries the receiver. How exactly

643
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: is he gonna scheme this up? What kind of personnel

644
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: packages is he going to use the degree of difficulty

645
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: in just making your pre snap reads and knowing where

646
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: you need to be when there could be some pretty

647
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: exotic looks coming from Kyle Shanahan. I think that's got

648
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: to be on the mind. Kyle advanced Joseph and any

649
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: rookie out on that field in the first quarter of

650
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: the first game. Yeah, And Kyle Shanahan runs a lot

651
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: of heavy sets with a tight end or two tight

652
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: ends and that fullback, and they do a lot of

653
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: stuff where it's more of the traditional based offense when

654
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: so many teams doing eleven personnel and Cliff obviously we'll

655
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: do ten personnel. So it's interesting if Isaiah Simmons can

656
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: be on the field in a base defense situation, because

657
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't make a ton of sense that linebacker with

658
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks and Devandre Campbell, who both seem like better

659
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: run stoppers right now than Isaiah Simmons, So can he

660
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: find a role? It seems like he makes more sense

661
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: as a dime linebacker where he's got these coverage skills,

662
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: but he's also a bigger guy, so it helps being

663
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: in the box while also being able to cover it.

664
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: It's a unique game and we'll see exactly how they

665
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: use him. I think every week, kind of like Darren

666
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: was saying, it could be vastly different. He could see

667
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: a decent amount of playing time in a certain game

668
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: because of a matchup and then not as much in

669
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: a different one because of the scheme you're facing. It.

670
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: It'll be it'll be interesting to watch him and maybe

671
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: at some point he breaks through and it says this

672
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: guy's too good to leave off the field. But still

673
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: early on, I think they'll pick and choose when he's

674
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: in there. I think he's going to get tested. Darren

675
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: a lot like Daryl Washington. Used to remember Daryl Washingtons

676
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: rookie year before he put on some of that good weight.

677
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: He was like two twenty two, twenty two, and teams

678
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: knew he could run, they knew the elite speed he

679
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: had for a linebacker, and they were just going right

680
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: at him. And I wonder if and when Isaiah Simmons

681
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: is out there, if that's what offenses will choose to do.

682
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: To Kyle's point about how you know that Jordan Hicks

683
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: and de Andrea Campbell can stop the run, but at

684
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: the NFL level, I bet your offenses are gonna make

685
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons prove that well. I mean, if there's any team,

686
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: especially out of the box that can go in that

687
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: direction to be the forty nine ers number one. Although

688
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: again this is one of the reasons why it was

689
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: so important Isaiah Simmons are not that this team beef

690
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: up their defensive line and you're hoping that having Jordan

691
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: Phillips plugging up the middle a little bit will slow

692
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: the possibility of that. I mean, let's face it, when

693
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons was at the combine and going into the draft,

694
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: that was one of the things people brought up when

695
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: they talked about him being a linebacker was can he

696
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: hold up against the run? So, look, every guy is

697
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: going to get tested at what their perceived weakness might be.

698
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: And he's a rookie, and I know he's a top

699
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: ten pick, but I do think you need to set

700
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: your expectations not overly high. I mean, you want the

701
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: guy to succeed and I think he will succeed. But

702
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: if he's, if he's not Daryl Washington in year four,

703
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: right out of the box, and I'm hoping year four

704
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: wasn't when he got suspended. If he's, if he's not

705
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: Daryl Washington, the pro bowler, all pro right out of

706
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: the box. I mean, he's got a little time to

707
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: get there. I mean we can talk all day about, Oh,

708
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: it's too bad they went out and signed to Andre

709
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: Campbell because they ended up getting Isaiah Simmons. Anyways, well,

710
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: I think it's really a blessing because I do think

711
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: it puts him in a better position to bring along

712
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons the way they see fit and quite frankly,

713
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: the way his play Dicktate, it's how he should be

714
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: brought along. And you guys are right. Steve Kin made

715
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: the comment that he felt like a year ago he

716
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: gave Vans Joseph a gun with no bullets when it

717
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: came to trying to defend the tight end, and it

718
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: showed NFL teams will find a weakness and they'll make

719
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: you stop it, and if you don't, they'll continue to

720
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: exploit it. And the Cardinals gave up sixteen receiving touchdowns

721
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: to the tight end in twenty nineteen, And as soon

722
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: as they made the selection of Isaiah Simmons, I know

723
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: because I was part of the crew that was hosting

724
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: the draft special Steve Kin came out and said, Okay,

725
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: guess what. We have Devondre Campbell and we have Isaiah Simmons.

726
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: So now if the defense can't stop the tight end,

727
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: it's on them. So that was by design, there's no

728
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: doubt about it. And George Kettle out of the box

729
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: with a lot of injuries to most of the Niners

730
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: receiving corps at this point, I mean, oh my god.

731
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: I mean you'll get a dozen targets right out of

732
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: the gates in that game, you would figure, especially with

733
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: a new big contract and so forth. So we'll see

734
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: what about Kyle on defense? That notion that Darren brought

735
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: up of the beefed up interior d line to what's greed?

736
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: Do you think those inside linebackers can to expect to roam,

737
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: seek and destroy without getting as many bodies on top

738
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: of them this year? Yeah, I mean it's definitely a

739
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: bigger group. When you talk about Jordan Phillips and Corey

740
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: Peters in there. All they have to do is stand there,

741
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: and they're taking up a lot of space and making

742
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: it tough for guys to move them. So I think

743
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be a big help, but I mean,

744
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: we'll have to see. I'm not I'm not ready to

745
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: say that they're gonna be this great run stopping team

746
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: because I think they need to show that. But there's

747
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: certainly a lot bigger not only on the line, but

748
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 1: also in the inside linebackers. When a lot of last

749
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: season you had Hassan Reddick and Joe Walker trying to

750
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: play that role and they just they weren't run stoppers.

751
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: That wasn't their fortas. So I think the Cardinals are

752
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: clearly bigger in the front seven, and we'll see how

753
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: it shakes out, but I think it's a good thing.

754
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: And Devon Kennard he isn't as big as a guy

755
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: like Terrell Suggs, but he's certainly more nimble and that

756
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: can help. I think he's a guy that's a more

757
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: versatile player. Overall, you have to like what their front

758
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: seven looks like this year compared to last. And I'll

759
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: say this in Cards camp Central, I had a chance

760
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: to go one on one of the cliff Kingsbury and

761
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: I asked him about all the time in the offseason

762
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: of what Week one might look like. Kyle Shanahan known

763
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: for being innovative like Kingsbury. I mean, Darren, you guys

764
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: are gonna have you and Ky are gonna have a

765
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: lot of ammunition to select perhaps this schemed up. What's

766
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: the play of the week again, help me out here,

767
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: I'm failing. Where's my prompter? What the film room? Thank

768
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: you so, film room. I'm telling you Week one there's

769
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: gonna be some innovative, creative stuff that these two guys

770
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: are going to scheme up. And it's sort of the

771
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: game within the game. The two head coaches and play

772
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: callers and schemers, I think, are looking forward to busting

773
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: that stuff out on each other. It's funny. I did

774
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,959
Speaker 1: enjoy that interview, Paul, you did a bang up job,

775
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: and I thought it was hilarious when he kind of

776
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: was like, well, it's it's kind to like when by

777
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: coaching Bowl games where you have like thirty days to

778
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: prepare for, you know, whatever you want to do now. Again,

779
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: the other thing he made the point of is you

780
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: want to make sure you're executing a high level. You

781
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: don't want to outthink yourself. You don't want to get

782
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: too fancy and then have something gets screwed up in

783
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: the first game because you're trying to prove you're smarter

784
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: than the guy on the other sideline. Let's face it.

785
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: For all of Kyle Shanahan's brilliance, and there is a

786
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: lot of it, and part of his success is because

787
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: of the moving around in the creativity, A lot of

788
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: what the forty nine ers do well is this kind

789
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: of very basic kind of offense in terms of like

790
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: running it down your throats or some misdirection with a

791
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: basic play, so you can be creative without it looking

792
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: like three password back, a pass backwards things and then

793
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: a bomb down the field. I mean it could be,

794
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: it could look it could end up being a tight

795
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: end screen. It's just the way it's put together. And

796
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: I am curious to see how all this goes. And

797
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: going back to what you said earlier, Paul, about how

798
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: dynamic this offense can be. For me, it might be

799
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: even a little bit less about how creative the plays

800
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: exactly are, but how many different ways he can go

801
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: with any one play. I mean, you could pick one formation,

802
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: and how many different options, viable dangerous options are you

803
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: going to have on any one play. That's that's where

804
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: an offense gets really scary. By the way, speaking of

805
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: a game day, this is what it's going to look

806
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: like on game day, at least the first two games

807
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: for the Arizona Cardinals behind us, It's not what it's

808
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: going to sound like, though. Teams are already working with

809
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: fake crowd noise in practice. Man, Yes, Alan Iverson, we're

810
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: talking about practice because it's getting him game ready. And

811
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: I actually saw there was I don't know if this

812
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: preliminary or if this has been decided upon Kyle, but

813
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: I actually saw there were some decibel regulations that were

814
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: issued and you can't go above I think it's eighty decibels, like, uh,

815
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think eighty five is like being in

816
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: a NASCAR race, and a hundred is like being at

817
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: a Metallica concert or Motorhead for you old school guys,

818
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: and and and so there are limits. And my question

819
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: is did we talk about this in addition to Cardinals

820
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: underground There'll be someone down there with one of those

821
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: decibel reader meetings, and it'll be and there'll be someone

822
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: from the league trying to ascertain whether a team when

823
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: when when their opponent has the ball is cranking it

824
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: up so like, you know, near Metallica levels. Could you

825
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: imagine if there was no limit, it would be insane

826
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: what they would pump in there. So it makes sense

827
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: to have that uniformity. And I'm kind of waiting to see,

828
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: like if there's certain rules where you have to do

829
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: the crowd noise when both teams have the ball, or

830
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: if you're allowed to do it whenever you want, you know,

831
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: can you pump it up on third down like it

832
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: usually is. There's a lot of things to the crowd

833
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: noise that are interesting and um, I mean, if if

834
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: there's silence when you're on offense, do you want that?

835
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: Do you want a little bit of a murmuring? Like

836
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different configurations that these coaches and

837
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: the NFL have to figure out when it comes to

838
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: crowd noise, And I think it does make sense to

839
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: have it since games naturally have that noise, and I

840
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: think if it was completely quiet, it might actually be

841
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: a competitive advantage for certain teams. But with a decibel regulation,

842
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: it sounds like it's gonna be pretty similar to what

843
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: it would be if there were fans. What what I'm

844
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: really curious about is, I feel like from the preliminary

845
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: reports and we'll see if this has it holds true,

846
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: it feels like if you have fans, you're not pumping

847
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: in the noise. It's it's if you don't have fans.

848
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: So then the question becomes, let's say, let's say for

849
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: argument's sake, they set the decibels at seventy five? Is

850
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: that louder than if you let twenty percent of your

851
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: fan base in? And like, are you actually at a

852
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: competitive disadvantage if you have fans because you're twenty percent

853
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: can't get to that level of loud? You know? I

854
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: mean that I'm curious about that. I hadn't even thought

855
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: about that. Now, that's a that's a great point. I mean,

856
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: think about it. If you were think about if Peyton

857
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: Manning was still playing and there was crowd noise mandatory

858
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: through the entirety of the game, he would not be

859
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: happy because if you guys remember Peyton Manning, especially with Denver,

860
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: he would be like this, and the Broncos fans it

861
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: would be at a whisper. It would turn into like

862
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: the US Open Golf tournament. It would be like there

863
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: was like course marshals on the sidelines, with the quiet

864
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: police signs out there. It was unbelievable how quiet that

865
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: stadium would get. Because Peyton's at work, at quarterback, at work,

866
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna operate, So I am curious as to And

867
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: then you have teams who already have a track record Atlanta,

868
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: We've already had some indiscretions. And then think about how

869
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: different Seattle will be. You guys have been to Seattle

870
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: every year. Think of that environment, how different that'll be,

871
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: and what does Seattle allowed to crank it up to.

872
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: So I'm waiting to see what the fallout is. You know,

873
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some drama and controversy over the faux

874
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: Proud noise issue week one at one of the venues.

875
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: My guest is, like you said, I think you're gonna

876
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: be allowed to do what you want when your team

877
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: is on offense, if you're at home, because I mean,

878
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: that's what it's like when even with the stadium full

879
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: of fans, you have quiet, and that's what they're used to.

880
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna be similar to what a

881
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: regular crowd would be and there's nothing officially yet, And

882
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: I do feel like even if fans are allowed into

883
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: a stadium, I think the crowd noise will still be

884
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: allowed because Darren's right, like, if you have fifteen to

885
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: twenty thousand fans, that decibel level's not coming close to

886
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: the thing you're gonna pump in. So I think I

887
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: think they're gonna have to let them get up to

888
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: that seventy five with the artificial noise in order to

889
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: make it fair and to allow fans. And if it's safe,

890
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: do you ever go to the old Metrodome, Darren? Back

891
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: before they they cracked down on the Vikings. Vikings used

892
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: to put these huge rock and roll amplifiers behind the

893
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: visitors bench and they would crank music in all I

894
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: mean it would drop. Players literally were like putting their

895
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: fingers in the ear holes of their helmets. That's how

896
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: bad it was. Finally, the NFL had had to pass

897
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: a rule on that because the Vikings were way out

898
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: of hand with that volume. Yeah, look, there's there are

899
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: teams that have played fast and loose with the sound.

900
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: And I go back to like, I am curious about

901
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: how the NFL is going to regulate it, how they're

902
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: going to pay attention to it. I mean, the NFL

903
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: always has people at games observers that that could handle

904
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But like, where are they going to be?

905
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: Are they gonna be down on the sideline because one

906
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: of the things that is huge this year is you

907
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: can't have that many people down on the sideline. So

908
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: is there going to be room for this dude who's

909
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: going to be measuring how loud the fake crowd is?

910
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: Maybe it would be the uniform police guy, the guy

911
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: who looks to see if your sock is too low

912
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: or too high, or if they're you know, they're the

913
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: same height. And then he gives you, like, you know,

914
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: the five thousand dollars fine for the uniform in fraction.

915
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: Give that guy like a decibel reader meter of some sort.

916
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: You know, you just have to have a dual gig,

917
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, along run Guardine. Ron Martin is the guy

918
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: who does it at Cardinals games. You know, instead of

919
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: just looking for the untucked shirt boom, he's got to

920
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: do the decibel reading. I think that's you know, reasonable,

921
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm you know, everybody's got to do more.

922
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, we know how it works. Maybe it'll

923
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: be you, Paul, you can you can be you can

924
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: be on the road games. And yeah, do we know

925
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: where you'ven in the in the on road games yet?

926
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: Do you know where you're gonna be yet? And that's

927
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: a source subject, that's a third rail. I'm still tier three.

928
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm gonna be anywhere near the sideline.

929
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I have no clue I'm gonna

930
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: be in a studio somewhere Intobuque at this point, I

931
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: had no idea where where exactly they're gonna put me.

932
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I'm a little h

933
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: you know, a little salty about it. I don't know.

934
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect at this point. You know,

935
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody knows what to expect, which is

936
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 1: kind of scary given how close we are to the season.

937
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a podcast for another day, Paul, that's right.

938
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: Actually the better word is apprehensive. I have no idea

939
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: what what exactly? I have no idea what what is coming? Um?

940
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: And if I do, like for here's an example, I'll

941
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: leave it. This is like bonus coverage for the end

942
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: of if we travel Yes on the road trip. Well,

943
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm from the Silicon Valley. Yeah, I haven't seen my

944
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: parents in more than a year. We didn't go this

945
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: summer purposely. My parents are both eighty years old. Am

946
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: I allowed to even have dinner with my parents that

947
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: Saturday night? That's a negative, Paul dan Jose, it's probably

948
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 1: it's right as sums out right. That's no way. So

949
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: there you go. I mean, it's just you know, my

950
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: mom's like, can we go to dinner? Please? What's going on?

951
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: I don't think so, No, No, you As far as

952
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: I know, I do not believe. I'm fairly certain that's not.

953
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: In fact. I think one of the things about traveling

954
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: this year is it won't matter if you're in New

955
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: York or San Jose or Cincinnati or Charlotte or wherever

956
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: it is. It's all gonna feel the same because all

957
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: the trips are gonna be the same. It's gonna be

958
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: flying in night before, stay in the hotel, go to

959
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: the game, go home. There you go. Okay, there you go, Kyle,

960
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: anything to add anything at all at this point, I

961
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: just think it's a smart idea. I mean, you see

962
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: what happened in baseball where they travel more and they're

963
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: in cities for several days, so I understand why they

964
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: would like to get out of the hotel. And it's

965
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: got to be tough being a player during this season,

966
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: and the NFL is probably only one night, so it's

967
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: not as bad. But I totally get the restrictions, and

968
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: you know, if you can travel and just stay in

969
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: and then go to the game, it does feel like

970
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: everything is in place to truly have a season in

971
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. And j R. Sweezy was just talking about

972
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: this today, like a few weeks ago, he wasn't sure,

973
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: and Chase Emmons said the same thing. He had doubts

974
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: about whether we could play this year. And I think

975
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: they've done a tremendous job in camp, and if they

976
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: follow these rules for traveling in games, there's certainly a

977
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: path to get the season in on time without any delays,

978
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: and you just look forward to that. I mean, like

979
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: you said, there's gonna be sacrifices that everybody asked Tom,

980
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: but I think everybody's doing a really nice job of

981
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: following those protocols. What just happened, Paul was we took

982
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: us feeling kind of jokey about whether you could see

983
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: your parents and Kyle brought it back to the somber

984
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: realization that twenty twenty sucks, but we all got to

985
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: suck it up because there's sacrifices to be made. You

986
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: can have a zoom dinner with him, you know. But

987
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: you know what, Kyle doesn't get all the credit here

988
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: because Kyle still takes a back seat. And this is

989
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: for real. The two hour plus red and white practice

990
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: telecast we did, I came away when we were all

991
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: done with that. The most memorable moment was Michael Bidwell

992
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: with a first person account of what he went through. Yeah,

993
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: we had the coronavirus and what five days he said

994
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: he spent in the ICU. That was a very poignant

995
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: and genuine recount of what it was like to deal

996
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: with the coronavirus and how diligent he was and how

997
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: he still got infected and so yeah, that was that

998
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: was a somber, sobering takeaway from that story that it

999
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: was very well said by the Cardinals team owner, and

1000
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: it was very human moment that even people who I

1001
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: talked about who came up to me afterwards and talked

1002
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: about it. And I've heard from for all the football

1003
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: and all the great coverage, all the interviews. That's what

1004
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: people remember, you know, And it just gets back to

1005
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: we're all in this together, and especially when I'm a

1006
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: road trip, you know, obviously you're gonna do anything and

1007
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: everything you can to make sure and who knows. I mean,

1008
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 1: I honestly the way and all the even I'm honestly,

1009
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: honestly bullish knock on wood on the NFL getting through

1010
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: a sixteen game season, you know, other than just sort

1011
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: of a vibe because we're around it every day, guys

1012
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: are taking it serious, very serious. Everyone is following the

1013
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: protocols and hopefully that gives us home. So I'm sitting

1014
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: here on a soapbox, So I'll get off the soapbox

1015
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: here and as we look down on the field, I'll

1016
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: get soapbox to be on. I think that was a

1017
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: bit disingenuous by Kyle Well. I'll come back with a

1018
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: realization of that later. That'll do it for Cardinals Underground