1 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Advice Shot. It's he lower lower, lower lower. Welcome to 2 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: the Naughty but Nice Show. I'm your host, Rob Shooter, 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: and it is Thursday, which means our dear friend Mark 4 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: Lee Bow joins us. Hey, Lubi there, Lippy louis here, 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: Hey Lupilus. We prepare for this podcast. Let's let everybody 6 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: in behind the scenes here. Let's let's draw the curtain back. 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: Pull that curtain back. So we prepare, and even though 8 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: it's not scripted, we do have a lineup. We have 9 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: our stories. We know what we're going to talk about. 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: We talk about it the night before, we text each other, 11 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: we go back and forth with ideas, so we have 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: a whole outline for a show. And I think that's 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: one of the reasons thankfully our podcast us so well, 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: is that we come prepared. It's not just two friends, 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: Mark chattering for chatting, chatting away for thirty rambling on minutes. 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: We we know all those podcasts out there, and I'm 17 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: not trashing them. I'm not. They're really fun, but I 18 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: try to make this as polished and as professional as possible. 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: You Mark, I We've worked on TV shows, We've worked 20 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: on radio shows. This is how real A list TV 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: show works, Yes, exactly, So another that before, we have 22 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: a full idea of what the show is going to 23 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: be every night. Yes, And they do this on television too. 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: When you turn on and you see Hoda and Savannah, 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: they're not just chatting away. This is not just random thoughts. 26 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: The show is mapped out and it gives the show 27 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: a structure, a framework. So we do that always the 28 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: night before. But then this morning, I woke up early 29 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: to go on TV and talk about Harry and they're 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: gonna part two, and it's just so much stuff that 31 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: I've thrown out the script. Mark, you didn't know I 32 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: was going to do this, but I've thrown out the script. 33 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: So we're flying blind, so to speak, today, And instead 34 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: of going over all the news that we are going 35 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: to cover, we're just going to dedicate this entire episode 36 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 1: to part two of Megan and Harry. So don't worry. 37 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: It's not really spoiler alerts. It's it's the headlines. It's 38 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: it's our interpretation of what's going on here. So even 39 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: if you haven't watched the show yet, don't worry. You 40 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: can still listen to the podcast. Now. I think it'll 41 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: actually make the viewing experience even better because you'll have 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: some real insights. Hey are you ready to jump in? 43 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: My friends? Who I'm a bit nervous. Hey, what time 44 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: is it? It is t time? Okay. So the biggest 45 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: story for me, the biggest takeaway from the newer part 46 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: two documentary is that Harry reveals that he was heartbroken 47 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: after Prince William, his brother, broke their pack. Let me 48 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: explain what this is. So the two of them agreed 49 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: they made a pack that they would not let each 50 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: other's office trade negative stories about each other. Harry said 51 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: the following quote, William and I saw what happened when 52 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: add AD's office, Remember their dad's office allegedly leaked stories 53 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: about Princess Diana. So they saw that, and they said, 54 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: we made an agreement as young boys, and agreement as 55 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: young boys growing up, we're never ever going to let 56 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: that happen to our offices. And then Harry said, I 57 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: would rather get destroyed in the press then play along 58 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: with this game or this business of trading. And to 59 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: see my brother's office do the same thing that we 60 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: promised each other we would never do is heartbreaking. This 61 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: is a bomb, shall Mark, because what's going on here 62 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: is Harry is a llegend that the negative press that 63 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: he got that Megan got came maybe not from his brother, 64 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: but from his brother's office. I mean, Rob, it's just 65 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: so amazing to hear this because they're sort of attachment 66 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: from the reality that most of us live, like we 67 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: have a problem with our siblings. We don't think about like, well, 68 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: their office releases story. I mean, it must be incredibly 69 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: hurtful to know that your your brother is somehow involved 70 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: in in your demise, you know, in the press right 71 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: it's it's it's shocking revelation. Now I should point out 72 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: to somebody that has been a publicist for big stars, 73 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: this is how it works. It really is how it works. 74 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: In my PR days, the hottest star that I represented 75 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 1: was Jennifer Lopez. She was the one that everybody wanted 76 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: on the cover, and I certainly made it clear that 77 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: if you want Jennifer Lopez on the cover of this magazine, 78 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: you have to put Alicia Keys on it. On a 79 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: different months, I also represented Alicia Keys. I traded all 80 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: the time Jessica Simpson and Ashley Simpson. I had both sisters, 81 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: and everybody wanted Jessica. Nobody wanted Ashley. I know, it's 82 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: all I know, but there really was sort of a 83 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: deal where if Entertainment Tonight wanted to talk to Jessica, 84 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: then I expected a really nice piece on Ashley Simpson. 85 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: You've dealt with publicist Mark throughout your career. This trading. 86 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: It's part of the game. It is, and as a 87 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: reporter at US Weekly for many years, it was the 88 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: same kind of thing. It's like, if you want the scoop, 89 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: you'll have to, you know, give my other client a 90 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: feature that might be as well known. I've done that 91 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: for people, you know, random fitness instructors and blah blah. 92 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: But then you get this this huge scoop which could 93 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: be you know, a changing moment for you or for 94 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: the outlet you're working for. Yeah, whenever I see somebody's 95 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: hairdresser getting a page feature in the vagazine, I'm like, oh, 96 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: they're talking about that. Start. There's the way they would 97 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: get four pages on how to do a perfect button? Now, well, 98 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: how to do a perfect ponytail or their life if 99 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: they were trading stuff. It's the same in page six 100 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: and the gossip columns. If you really look closely, you'll 101 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: know who the sources are. Because the fingerprints are everywhere. 102 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: If there's something that stands out that shouldn't really be there, 103 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: that feels too much of a promotion, then the person 104 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: they're promoting is most likely the person who's given them 105 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: good discs. So I hate that their brothers and has 106 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: happened to them within the family, but it is how 107 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: the game is played, and I think it's naive of 108 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: Harry to not understand that. He also said that the 109 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: moment everything exploded, the moment the negative press was overwhelming, 110 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: was after their two thousand and eighteen really successful tour 111 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: of Australia. Remember when they went to Australia, they were 112 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: they were everywhere. We love them, they were funny, Harry 113 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: said the following, and are shocked he said it. He said, 114 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: quote the issue is when somebody who's marrying Ina into 115 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: the family, who should be the supporting act, is stealing 116 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: the spotlight or is doing the job better than the 117 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: person who was born to do this. So he's saying 118 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: here that Megan at Sean, his brother, Kate, the Queen, everybody, 119 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: he said, it shifts the balance and this can lead 120 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: to the perception that all your charities and your reputation 121 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: it's not going to grow if you're not on the 122 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: front pages. So this is such an insight into a 123 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: really messed up family. You're worth is on how many 124 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: covers you're on. We know this from celebrities, Mark A 125 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: lot of celebrities love to be in the press. The 126 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: housewives are the are the clearest example of this. They 127 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: feel like they're dying if we're not talking about them, 128 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: so they keep doing more and more outrageous things, saying 129 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: stupid stuff so that we talk about them. They value 130 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: their self by how much press they get. Harry is 131 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: saying that happened too within the family. It's such a 132 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: great point. And that was a revelation that I really 133 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: enjoyed learning this morning because when I worked at US Weekly, 134 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: the story that was the big you know, Megan was 135 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: everything to us at that time. Everything every week she 136 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: was on the cover, cover, cover, every online story is Megan, Megan, Megan, 137 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: and you know, everyone else kind of got lost in 138 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,559 Speaker 1: the shovel. And I can see how they would create 139 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: jealousy and jealous Yeah, it was wild, isn't it? And 140 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: I just got the numbers. At the end of the year, 141 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: Google gives out their most searched person. It's Megan a million. 142 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: Kate comes in number two, then Harry and William's last. 143 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: But it's amazing the competitiveness, and we know that too. 144 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: Famous people are so competitive. They pretend not to be, 145 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: but they know exactly how much press another person's getting 146 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: in my pr days. I'm not going to name who, 147 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: but I think you might know him. He's a famous rapper. Hello, didude. 148 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: If he ever saw another rapper getting more pressed than him, 149 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: he was furious. I knew, I knew he would change 150 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: his name the next day because he needed to get 151 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: the spat light back on himself. Okay, let's move on 152 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: with the royals. Harry said that he wants a genuine 153 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: apology from the Royals. Well, he shouldn't hold his breath, 154 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: so he said the following quote. None of us really 155 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: wanted to talk at my grandfather's funeral, but we did 156 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: remember after the funeral, Kate set them up to talk 157 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: and then they had a meeting afterwards. He said, it 158 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: was really hard, especially spending time having chats with my 159 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: brother and my father, who were focused on some misinterpretation 160 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: of the whole situation. I'd like to know exactly what 161 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: that means here because he thinks they have misinterpreted what 162 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: is going on. He added, I've had to make peace 163 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: with the fact that I'm probably never going to get 164 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: a genuine apology. My wife and I were moving on, 165 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: We're focused on the next chapter. Well, I don't think 166 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: that's quite true, because you are now talking about your past. 167 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: If you were really focusing on the next chapter, you 168 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't be doing this exactly. And I think this narrative, 169 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, them being misunderstood or treated poorly. We're tired 170 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: of it, and it's and it's all they've been talking about. 171 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what there is to talk about at 172 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: this point. Like you've said it over and over and 173 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: over again. Right, we've had it in our own lives. 174 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: Have you had a friend that you fell out with 175 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: and you both see the same event through totally different eyes, 176 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: Like it's just it was like different events, Like we 177 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: went to the same party and something can't and and 178 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: we both interpreted it in a different way, and we'll 179 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: never ever agree. We're never going to agree on that. No. 180 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: But and I I don't think that going on TV 181 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: and talking about it for hours it's going to help 182 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: you get that apology. I think you've just solidified and 183 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: you'll never get that apology, right, right, right, Well, Harry 184 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: claims the Palace lied when denying that Prince William bullied 185 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: them out of the family. So Harry heavily hinted this 186 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: was a bombshell. He heavily hinted that the real reason 187 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: behind exit was his brother, Prince William, and he accused 188 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: the Palace of lying to protect the heir to the throne. 189 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: And so Harry recalls, on the same day as the 190 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: Sandrington's summit, that's when they all got together with the Queen, 191 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: a story came out saying that part of the reason 192 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: they were leaving was because William had bullied them out. 193 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: Harry said the following. Once I got in the car 194 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: after the meeting, I was told about a joint statement 195 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: that had been put out in my name and my 196 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: brothers quatching the story about him bullying us out of 197 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: the family. I couldn't believe it. Nobody had asked my 198 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: permission to put my name on the statement like that, 199 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: He seived, strongly, suggesting that he would not have made 200 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: this denial. So he ranked M. That's Megan, So we 201 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: ranked M, and she burst into tears, not helping Megan, 202 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: and then the young Prince said the saddest part of 203 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: the whole scandal was the wedge this had created between 204 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: him and his brother. You know, I it's sorry to 205 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: say what the truth is here. I would imagine there 206 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: is some truth somewhere in the middle of all this. 207 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: But Rob, we have to remember that the firm, the institution, 208 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: this is a business and they have to protect their assets. 209 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: And right now William is going to inherit this throne. 210 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: He's going to inherit the business. And I don't I 211 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: am not surprised at all that they would do what 212 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: they have to do to make sure that this continues 213 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: on and it can be so stainable. They look after 214 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: the boss. You know it. In your own office, your 215 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: own shop, your own restaurant. You're not going to beat 216 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: the boss. They will look after the boss. I've been 217 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: fired many times because I've took home the boss. You 218 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: can't if you're going to fight. I don't want you 219 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: to bully people, but if you can fight, fight with 220 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: somebody a little lower down on the totem pole. Bark 221 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: because if you fight with the boss, you're not going 222 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: to win. And William is the boss here. He's going 223 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: to be the king, and everything is really created around 224 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: William to make sure this happened. I did laugh though. 225 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: Harry said that his brother screamed at him. I can 226 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: imagine it now. So he said, I was terrified to 227 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: have my brother scream and shout at me and my 228 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: father say things that simply were not true. He defended 229 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: his late grandmother, So his grandmother was at this meeting. 230 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: So it was Charles, it was William, it was the queen, 231 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: and he defended his grandmother, and he said she just 232 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: sat there and took it all in, noting that her 233 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: goal in life has been to defend the institution. He 234 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: did point out, though, if people telling her something, particularly 235 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: if it's Charles and William, she's probably going to take 236 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: that advice. He ultimately said that they finished the meeting 237 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: without any plan, and he said that his family blamed 238 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: him and his wife for the situation, not the institution 239 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: and not the media. That's the fundamental problem here. They 240 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: blame Harry and Megan for this mess. Partly right, Megan 241 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: and Harry blame the media and the institution. They're partly 242 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: right too. They both can be right, but no one's 243 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: willing to budge here, No, I mean right, this is 244 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: just it's a reminder that they're just like us. This 245 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: is the most dysfunctional, bizarre thing, and there they are 246 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: no better than any other dysfunctional family in America or 247 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: anywhere else. And so this makes me laugh, like just imagining, 248 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: like if I screamed my brother Jonathan, which he used 249 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: to it, I mean, yeah, I just would be laughed. 250 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: I can imagine Williams Jonathan ever screamed at you. I 251 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: mean that in recent years, but he has. I'm of 252 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: the screamer. I would screw more of the screamer. Well, 253 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: you're the William. You're the older brother. Correct, that's so 254 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: Jonathan's Harry, Harry, you're William. I'm the Harry because my 255 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: brother Douglas is older. He screamed at me about a 256 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: year ago. I got a vicious email. I know, my 257 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: father had gone to the hospital and everybody was a 258 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: little on edge. And I'm three thousand miles away and 259 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: five hours behind, so my edge was probably a little sharp. 260 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: Or my brother Douglas always screwed. I tell you, I 261 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: was terrified, just like just like Harry terrified. Okay, moving along, 262 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: William's last text to Harry. That's a good cover line 263 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: for US Weekly, isn't it? The last text? So Megan's 264 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: on the phone to Tyler Perry as she would be 265 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: chatting away, and she said, Tyler, h just got a 266 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: text from his brother. And then she said, all right, 267 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: I'll talk to you later. So she she hangs up, 268 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: and Harry puts his heir Oh my goodness, his head 269 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: down into his knees and he's sort of size. I 270 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: wish I knew what to do. It's so dramatic, and 271 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: it's very surprising. The cameras happened to be there for this. 272 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: It's very real. House moves. Megan hugs him. She hugs him, 273 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: and she says, I know, let's take a breather, get 274 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: some air, and then decide. Of course, the dramatic content 275 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: of the text we don't know. It wasn't revealed. What 276 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: do you think that text said? It said, are you 277 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: filming Netflix? I mean, I'm still stuck with the fact 278 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: that William uses the cell phone. I didn't know that 279 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: the Royals had access to I guess, but I mean, 280 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: I can't imagine what the last quote unquote text said. 281 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: It probably said still don't ever talk to me again, 282 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: or you know you're out of the family. I don't know, 283 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: but I want my crown back, my crown back, jewels again. 284 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: So dysfunctional. I can't imagine like ending your relationship on 285 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: the on the text. You know this is your brother, 286 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: Come on, but I know, But have you I've had 287 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: some fights on text, Mark, I'm ashamed to admit it. 288 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: I have, and I've always said to myself, I'll call 289 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: them the next day, and often I don't rub I know, 290 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: I don't. I try to be honestly, I try to 291 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: be the boy if Mark, if I said you, if 292 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: we fall out, it's going to say the last text 293 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: really dramatic, and the last that's that's that's in fact, 294 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: that might be the entire content, the last text about it. 295 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: And like Scandal as Plaze. The one part of the 296 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: documentary that I thought was kind of charming and really 297 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: made me full of hope was right in the beginning 298 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: where Harry filmed them on the Freedom flight. So he 299 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: was leaving the UK for the very last time, flying 300 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: to California, and he breaks out into this huge smile 301 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: and he starts to to chuckle, and he says he's laughing. 302 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: He's on a freedom flight. It was the most obvious 303 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: place to come. He looks so happy here. Part of 304 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: me questions, then, if you're so happy leaving, why are 305 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: we going back. I know it's about the money, and 306 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: that's not a crude thing to say. They're getting a 307 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. They gotta pay their bills. I'm not 308 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: slamming them for that. It's just so curious. If this 309 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 1: time is so painful it clearly is, why are they 310 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: reliving it? I don't know, but I do want to 311 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: plug something about myself. The day they announced that they 312 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: were leaving the institution, I was like, you know what, 313 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: I need to call Megan's father and I called. I 314 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: called Thomas. I was like Thomas, Hello, He's like hello. 315 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: Of like, hey, it's more most weekly. I want to 316 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: know how you feel about your daughter leaving the institution. 317 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: He said to me, I'm very disappointed. And I was like, wow, 318 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: I just I became part of this history. That just 319 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: become part of this story. Become part of the story. 320 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: I love that we have access to these people. Back 321 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: to Tyler Perry. So Tyler Perry that pops up to 322 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: and he compares the treatment of Megan to battery. He 323 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: said that he saw his mom abused for yours and 324 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: he knows the symptoms, and this is what it was like. 325 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: Tyler allowed them to stay in one of his mansions. Now, 326 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: meg and says the Royal family blocked her from getting 327 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: help while suicidal. This is something not to be laughed at. 328 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: This is really serious and I just can't imagine this happened, 329 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: and if he did, there needs to be an inquiry 330 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: about this. So she said, I wanted to go somewhere 331 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: and get help, and I just wasn't allowed. They were 332 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: concerned about how it would look for the institution. After 333 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: admitting his own shame about this, Harry went on to 334 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: say that he just didn't know what to do and 335 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: he just couldn't. I couldn't figure this out. Nobody, he said, 336 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: would have a private conversation with the newspaper editors, saying enough. 337 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: His dad told him, quote, darling boy, you can't take 338 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: on the media, and Harry replied, I fundamentally disagree, and 339 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: I think that's the sense of this documentary that is 340 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: all over the place. Is it the palace's fault? Is 341 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: it the family's fault? Is it William's fault. Is it 342 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: the media's fault? It seems that they are blaming everybody 343 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: here for this situation that they partly created themselves. Mark, Yeah, exactly. 344 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: I think there's blame to be had all around. And 345 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: you know what, My understanding is that the British media 346 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: and the Royal Institution have some kind of connection. There 347 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: is that exchange of like, we'll give you access to 348 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: our lives and it's the trade. And again it isn't it. 349 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: But you can't control the US media. You haven't control 350 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: that we're going to publish a story. We're gonna publish 351 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: a story. You have no control over that. So no control. 352 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: I think it must be hard for them when when 353 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: they realize that they don't have the say in everything, 354 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: and you can't have a provor on every story, you know, 355 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: good or bad. Right. I remember when I was working 356 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: with Jessica Simpson, there was a bad story on her 357 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: and I tried to trade the press. It was a 358 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: true story, so I couldn't kill it. It was true 359 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: and it was not good, and I was like, well, 360 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: why don't we sort of let that go away? And 361 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: you do at home with Jessica for Christmas or baby 362 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving with Christmas. If ever you see a celebrity on 363 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: the cover of a magazine cooking the turk or opening 364 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: a Christmas gift, you know there is truy. Well, so 365 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: we didn't do a break on this show. My heart 366 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: is going to be furious, but it's all about us 367 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: today and Megan naughty, So let's end with two more delicious, 368 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: delicious items. Maybe the most curious thing said is that 369 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: Megan said she always were seen as a foreign organism 370 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: in the Royal family. So she had a chat with 371 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: Harry's private secretary, who works for the Queen for almost 372 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: twenty years, and he described the Royal family the institution 373 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: like a fish that's swimming perfectly in its own current, 374 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: and then this little organism comes along and it's a 375 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: foreign organism and it upsets everything. And the advice was basically, 376 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: don't swim against the tide. You're not gonna win. The 377 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,959 Speaker 1: family is going to win. Not bad advice, not bad advice, 378 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: not bet advice. And she is she was the you 379 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: know that, the addition, the new person, and she brought 380 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: something very different. And I think that always is hard 381 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: when you enter a family and you're you're the new 382 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: person and you're not accustomed to those traditions. Who again, 383 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: it goes back to the showing them that are showing 384 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: us at least that they are just like us. They are, 385 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: they're just like well to show how just like us 386 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: they really are. This one makes me scream and I 387 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: think they're going to get some bad press for this. 388 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: They claim that their royal house was just too small, 389 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: so literally too small. Harry complained, as far as people 390 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: were concerned, we were living in a palace, but we're 391 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: actually in a cottage. And then Negan pipes up we 392 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: were in the palace grounds. So Kensington Palace. It sounds 393 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: very regal, doesn't it. I mean, palace is even in 394 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: the name, but not Ingham Cottage is not Kensington Palace. 395 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: The six ft one prince complained, the ceilings are really low. 396 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 1: I don't know who lived here before me, but they 397 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: must be really short. Not a good look. This is 398 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: not a good look. We have rent free on the 399 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: grounds of Kensington Alls. It might be a cottage, but 400 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,239 Speaker 1: we would kill for this cottage. Of course. You know, 401 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: it was really fascinating to seeing pictures of them at 402 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: home and like seeing their mess and the shoes on 403 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: the floor and like the clothes like it's just a 404 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: really fascinating and side look into like this one's life. 405 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: But I mean to then go to Tyler Perry's humongous mansion. 406 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: It's like, come on, come on, I don't think they're 407 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 1: doing themselves any good with this, just to wrap up 408 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: explosive bonds shells they went there with, particularly William Williams, 409 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: the one that he went after here to claim William 410 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: was behind or his staff was behind leaks. Is that 411 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: Rachel's The stuff about suicide is just heartbreaking and hopefully 412 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: if that's true, their changes are made within the palace overall, 413 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: really worth sitting down and watching. I'm not sure you 414 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: need to do the whole three hours, but fascinating, you know, 415 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: six hours. They do come across a little winey though. 416 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: I have to say that there's a little bit of 417 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: a say. They live like they're so rich Mark, everything 418 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: around them so luxurious. Mark. They don't have a job 419 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: like we do that they have to go to every day, 420 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: so they have to be careful here. But I guess 421 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: that cat is already out of the bag. That is 422 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: it for today. Thank you so much for listening to 423 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: a real special edition of The Naughty but Night Show 424 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: with my good self, Rob Shooter and our dear friend 425 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: Mark Looper. Don't forget to subscribe on the iHeart Radio app, 426 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: Apple podcast wherever you listen, leave us a review and 427 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: all together. Now I hope you're listening Megan and Harry, 428 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: I want you to sing along. Remember, if you're going 429 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: to be naughty, you've got to be a nice. Take 430 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: care of everybody's hip. It's not even nice with