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Speaker 2: A Happy Wednesday to you. Welcome in. You manned it

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Speaker 2: through halfway of the week. Although I still feel like

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Speaker 2: if people now are starting to get their vacations in

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Speaker 2: school starts in a couple of weeks, so it's now

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Speaker 2: we're never if you're going to go away for the summer.

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Speaker 3: It does it just feels like I feel like even

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Speaker 3: sports and we're here for two hours to get you

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Speaker 3: caught up on everything in sports, but it just feels

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Speaker 3: like we're like a week or two away from those

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Speaker 3: like super pressing topics, and now it's just kind of

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Speaker 3: weight weeding through what we need to know with these

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Speaker 3: training camps versus what we don't same with baseball and

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Speaker 3: everything else going on in sports.

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Speaker 2: A pressing topic in Dallas, at least with the Cowboys

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Speaker 2: as they have training camp us here in southern California

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Speaker 2: and Oxnard is the contract situation of Micah Parsons. I

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Speaker 2: also think there's a bigger picture when it comes to

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys. We'll get to that in just a second.

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Speaker 2: Your Manzi gave us the latest big game today at

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Speaker 2: American Family Field in Milwaukee. That's where Doug Gottlieb is.

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Speaker 2: Doug Gottlieb is taking in the Cubs and Brewers, and

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Speaker 2: I just want to say this. I say this, I

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Speaker 2: would have I would say this to Doug's face. Brewers

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Speaker 2: going for the sweep today, Doug's in attendance, Brewers are losing.

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Speaker 2: So Doug right now, mister Jenks, I would say that

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Speaker 2: to his face, like just name Doug. Just stay just

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Speaker 2: stay away, just maybe stay away, Doug.

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Speaker 3: This is like I worked for about four years in

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Speaker 3: the eight PM Saturday slot with Arnie Spanier Arizona and

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Speaker 3: men's basketball and football when a combined like one and

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Speaker 3: the point that the saga has drops in everything because

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Speaker 3: it it was, it was bad. It was it was

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Speaker 3: a bloodbatt When Arnie Spaniers on when the Arizona Wildcats on.

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Speaker 2: Your pre show Rundown, before the game even finished, you

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Speaker 2: could write Arizona loss. Oh yeah, under twenty after the hour,

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about Arizona's loss, whether it be

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Speaker 2: in football, whether it be in basketball, and if it

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Speaker 2: was a heartbreaker, you could move it up to the

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Speaker 2: top of the hour. Yes.

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Speaker 3: It was also funny too because basically the year he

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Speaker 3: left our Saturday time slot to you know, spend time

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Speaker 3: with the family whatever. That was what they got good

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Speaker 3: at football, that one nine win season when they had

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Speaker 3: had Jetfish was the coach, and t Mac was kind

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Speaker 3: now with the Carolina Panthers. So yeah, it was like

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Speaker 3: more than just a coincidence after a certain amount of time.

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Speaker 3: Can't say, I don't know if it's the same with

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Speaker 2: But I know it was for Arnies, just busting his

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Speaker 2: chops a little bit. It's what we do here on

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio on the Doug Gottlieb Show. We got

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Speaker 2: a midway coming up. Moncy Belanios this year, I was

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Speaker 2: Sam technical producer in the show of Course, executively produced

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Speaker 2: by the one and only Jason Stewart. Trey Hendrickson has

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Speaker 2: reported to camp for the Cincinnati Bengals. As he continues

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Speaker 2: to hold in. We believe that maybe the sides are

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Speaker 2: getting closer on a deal. If Hendrickson would end up reporting,

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Speaker 2: it's a completely different situation with Micah Parsons are taking

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Speaker 2: in and being present in Cowboys camp, and we now

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Speaker 2: have this report saying that the Dallas Cowboys and Michah

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Speaker 2: Parsons are actually moving in the wrong direction. Adam Schefter

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Speaker 2: reported that the sides are actually further apart than they

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Speaker 2: they're speaking very much these days, if at all, this

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Speaker 2: It's not a negotiation right now. There's really no conversation

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Speaker 3: Can I ask two follow up questions. Yes, the first

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Speaker 3: one impact that a TJ. Watt contract which broke when

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Speaker 3: that that may have had on negotiations, I think zero, okay.

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Speaker 2: And the only reason being is because age wise, like

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Speaker 2: a DAK deal where you just completely overpay him more

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Speaker 2: But I don't think that TJ. Watt's number came in.

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Speaker 2: And if I'm Micah Parsons, I would want a little

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Speaker 2: how that necessarily changes their position unless he's now saying, well,

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Speaker 2: want X amount more. I don't think that's the case. Okay.

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Speaker 3: Second question, how much did Jerry Jones's comments over the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they help. How can they? Right? Yep?

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Speaker 2: I mean when you're then now rating the decibel level

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Speaker 2: it becomes personal. I think all of this is business,

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Speaker 2: so I think that that does play a part in it.

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Speaker 2: And for the sides to be further away than they

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Speaker 2: think that that does hamper things. Now, you can make

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Speaker 2: it all said and good when you sign a contract

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Speaker 2: and you forget that stuff. But if Adam Schefter is

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Speaker 2: in hearing those comments from Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think to me, without having maybe some context

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Speaker 3: is that Jerry has kind of just set the precedent

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Speaker 3: whatever that, the assumption is not only are you going

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Speaker 3: to get your contract, you are going to get overpaid

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Speaker 3: my first, just gut initial reaction of did Michael Parsons

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Speaker 3: probably trying to do something more in line with the market.

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Speaker 3: That was my first reaction. So I don't know if

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Speaker 3: that's crazy from your perspect Do you think TJ. Watt's

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Speaker 3: contract affected this at all? No, I actually don't think

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Speaker 3: so because to your point one, obviously the age difference.

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Speaker 2: I I don't think the TJ. Watt thing did. I

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Speaker 2: just think that. Let me ask you, like, don't we

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Speaker 3: All of the most recent big negotiations for the Cowboys,

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Speaker 3: haven't it felt like? And I can't go through every

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Speaker 3: the majority of them, the Cowboys have kind of come

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Speaker 3: out on the wrong side of them, But the sentiment

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Speaker 3: has been from Jerry and the front office is like,

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Speaker 2: So that to me is what I feel. I don't

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Speaker 3: Watt had as much to do with it as again

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Speaker 3: a Dak Prescott did, as other guys have in the past.

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Speaker 3: You know, I was thinking about while you were talking,

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Speaker 3: remember the Jalen Smith contract about four or five years ago,

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Speaker 3: and even in real time people were like, oh, that's

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Speaker 3: and this is such a great reward, and it is

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Speaker 3: kind of the old cliche of are you paying for

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Speaker 3: past production or future production? And that one in the

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Speaker 3: narrative and the story rather than the player they're gonna

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Speaker 3: that's part of the Cowboys brand now, is they They're

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Speaker 3: gonna get more. I'm gonna get that cowboy packed down

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why does it start with me? Now? That's how

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Speaker 2: you're saying. If you're Michael Parsons, why is it so

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Speaker 2: then you end up taking it personally? The funny thing

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Speaker 2: with the history is you mentioned Jalen Smith. I go

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Speaker 2: back to the Ezekiel Elliott deal where they paid him

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Speaker 2: early because Jerry had talked about like I don't want

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Speaker 2: and I'm paraphrasing, I'm older. I don't want to die

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Speaker 2: and not win a Super Bowl. Our window is now.

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Speaker 2: I want to make sure that our bell Cow is

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Speaker 2: taken care of. I'm completely paraphrasing what Jerry Jones said.

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Speaker 2: But they paid Ezekiel Elliott way earlier than they would

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Speaker 2: because they were in it at that point. They were

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Speaker 2: in that window. So then we look at it and say, wow,

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Speaker 2: you'd take care of Ezekiel Elliott. You don't take care

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Speaker 2: of these other people, and including Dak Prescott, what are

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Speaker 2: you doing? Well, then he completely overpays Dak Prescott when

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Speaker 2: he does and makes us forget about Ezekiel Elliott. Granted

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Speaker 2: that was, you know, a few more years ago than

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Speaker 2: it is now. But now we look at the Dak

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Speaker 2: deal and if you're Micah Parson saying, yeah, why don't

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Speaker 2: I get that? And you took care of Ceede Lamb,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, there is a reason on why you would

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Speaker 2: feel you'll make it feel personal. I think this is

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Speaker 2: a part of a bigger story though, and it's not

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Speaker 2: just a Cowboys thing. I think it's an NFL thing.

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Speaker 2: And the reason that I say that Aaron is because

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Speaker 2: I don't think that Jerry Jones has handled these negotiations

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Speaker 2: well and for some reason, there's always something about it.

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Speaker 2: I also feel that the Cowboys have done a decent

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Speaker 2: some reason haven't put everything together honestly, Like the Dak

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Speaker 2: for this, Okay, perfect. It was a different NFL then,

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Speaker 2: Most everybody has a favorite team in the NFL. I'm

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I I'm trying to I had a way to

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Speaker 3: You're oh, without the with that, I mean, without the

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Speaker 2: I think if the NFL could pick, they would pick

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Speaker 5: Isn't I think we can run into a problem watch

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Speaker 5: I remember when they when they hired Brian Schottenheimer and

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Speaker 5: there was a kind of that scant rumor that maybe

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Speaker 5: Dion Sanders was in the mix. And you imagine the

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Speaker 5: Cowboys hiring Deon Sanders and they hired the exact opposite

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Speaker 5: coming off a year where they just weren't very relevant.

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Speaker 5: So well, I would say the NFL needs them to

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Speaker 5: be interesting.

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Speaker 3: Well, and that's my broader point on them is I

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Speaker 3: think they've kind of become a punching bag of like

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Speaker 3: you just like everybody is supposed to be in on

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Speaker 3: the like like there's like there's some inside joke inside

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Speaker 3: that building that we're supposed to be in on, and

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Speaker 3: we're just not like, Oh, you're gonna go hire Dion,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna go hire Belichick, You're gonna go hire Saban,

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Speaker 3: Oh you hired Brian Schottenheimer. And it's like, maybe maybe

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Speaker 3: it's the reverse of what I said, is like we

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Speaker 3: expect them to be something that they.

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Speaker 2: Are never gonna be. I don't I'm not articulating myself.

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Speaker 2: Well i'll throw over you wants in on.

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Speaker 6: So you guys very kind of include me in your emails,

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Speaker 6: you know. And when I saw this original topic, I

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Speaker 6: thought you made a good point Aaron in general of

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Speaker 6: like hold on.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, she's gonna stab me in the

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Speaker 2: back a little bit. I thought you made a good

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Speaker 2: point of it.

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Speaker 6: But I agree with Dan that it's like it would

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Speaker 6: be great for the NFL if the Cowboys were good. Now,

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Speaker 6: maybe interesting is another part of it, but you know,

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Speaker 6: Jerry Jones to me is still very interesting because he's just.

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Speaker 2: So and funny.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's old and funny to me, guys, I

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Speaker 6: can't so I think it helps the league.

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Speaker 2: I think I think that. I think the Cowboys at

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Speaker 2: one and sixteen and eight and eight are the same thing.

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Speaker 2: I think the Cowboys at fourteen and three and rolling

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Speaker 2: year of the year are just a different animal.

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Speaker 3: But they've been fourteen and three in the last twenty

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Speaker 3: years and nobody's believed in them.

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Speaker 2: Sure that I don't want to say that they're one offs.

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Speaker 2: They have been top seeds if you took the Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Johnson Cowboys, which is truly the last time that like

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Speaker 2: and you put that like, I think the NFL is

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Speaker 2: even better than it is right now because of we

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Speaker 2: just don't have that right now. We think the Eagles

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Speaker 2: are the best team, but we're not necessarily sure if

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys are in the mix. It doesn't matter on

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Speaker 2: who is two and three and four. Everybody's gunning for

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Speaker 2: Dallas and and them being at this malaise of just

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Speaker 2: mediocrity on a league that is super strong as it is.

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Speaker 2: I think he can only get better, and that's that's

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Speaker 2: my point.

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Speaker 3: I will say, to your point, I think they're probably

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Speaker 3: the only team that we tune into.

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Speaker 2: For the logo yep, Pittsburgh Steelers. I know they have Rogers.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's a bad example right now, But to your point,

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Speaker 3: Jordan Love, I find him to be not even one

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Speaker 3: of the fifteen most interesting stories in the league. I

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Speaker 3: just the Packers don't interest me at all. Steelers obviously

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Speaker 3: irrelevant for a while. If Patrick Mahomes decided to retire tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: no one cares about that. I mean, look at look

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Speaker 3: at how quickly it just fell off. With the Patriots,

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Speaker 3: It's like they're the greatest honisty ever with the greatest

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Speaker 3: coach and the greatest quarterback.

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Speaker 2: We don't care. Yeah, I'm a Seahawks fan. Without Russell

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Speaker 2: Wilson and Pete Carroll primetime games, you know, most of

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Speaker 2: it's I see you later. They're not they were. They

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Speaker 2: were in prime time games all the time. You know,

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Speaker 2: those leave. But with the Cowboys, Dak Prescott, who we're

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Speaker 2: not even sure is great or not. I think he's good,

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Speaker 2: we're not sure he's great, And he's still a topic

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Speaker 2: good conversation because he's the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: All right, he's Aeron Torres. I'm Dan Byer in for

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Speaker 2: Doug gottlieb here on a Wednesday on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 7: This is the best of the Don dott Leap Show

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Speaker 7: on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, get out your pen, get out your pad

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Speaker 2: of paper, start jo cutting down those Hall of famers.

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Speaker 2: It's an exercise we do every Wednesday when we get

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Speaker 2: everyone together. Not only is it me and Aaron Torres

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Speaker 2: in for Doug gottlie who's taking in some day baseball

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Speaker 2: in the Bruce City today featuring the two top teams

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Speaker 2: in the Nlcentral got Jason Stewart, our executive producer, Iowa

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Speaker 2: Sam or technical producer, And you just heard Monzi Blanos

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Speaker 2: at the news desk. Moncey will be here as well,

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Speaker 2: giving us any breaking news or anything that comes in.

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Speaker 2: Trade deadline again a day away, so she'll have the

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Speaker 2: details on that, plus interesting news involving Gilbert Arenas, the

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Speaker 2: former NBA star arrested. We're going to touch on that

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Speaker 2: in about forty minutes or so. Jason Stewart, a poker player,

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Speaker 2: the resident poker player here. Does this Arenas story interest

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Speaker 2: you because it's Arenas or because it's centered around poker,

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Speaker 2: or that there's like mob boss isn't involved in this. Now.

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Speaker 5: I love poker, I love high stakes poker, so I

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Speaker 5: want to I can't wait for the discovery and to

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Speaker 5: see how how much was they were playing for, what

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Speaker 5: the setup was, how much they tip the dealers, all

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Speaker 5: the I want all the details. I love the poker

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Speaker 5: aspect of this, But it's Gilbert Arenas and the news

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Speaker 5: for the wrong reasons again. And I think Amazon, if

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Speaker 5: I'm not mistaken, didn't they say he's going to be

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Speaker 5: a part of their coverage next year.

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Speaker 2: I have no clue. Yeah, I don't know who is

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Speaker 2: going where. You may be correct Grady yesterday, that's the

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Speaker 2: only one you saw, Tracy McGrady yesterday, all right.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, former NBA player that's going to serve federal

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Speaker 5: time because you know the old saying, right, if you're

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Speaker 5: up on federal charges, you're gonna lose.

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Speaker 2: And for those of you that are wondering when Big

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Speaker 2: Mike here at Fox Sports Radio would come into the

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Speaker 2: studio and tell us that he played poker with some

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Speaker 2: mob bosses. Big MIC's on vacation this week, so heard. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 2: I know Cavino and Rich. Did he even do his

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Speaker 2: Cavino and Rich bit Mike's words of wisdom before he left?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Do we know that we have them ready for the

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Speaker 2: last two wins days?

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Speaker 4: He worked ahead on that. Okay, we have to make

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Speaker 4: sure that we get Mike's bits in. Even if Mike's

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Speaker 4: not here.

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Speaker 2: He's on vacation, so he can't top any of Jason's

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Speaker 2: poker stories. But we'll get to the Gilbernarina's poker story

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Speaker 2: coming up again now in about a little more than

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Speaker 2: thirty eight minutes. But it is the middle of the week, Aaron,

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Speaker 2: it's the middle of the show. That means it's he's

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Speaker 2: not getting.

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Speaker 7: It's time for the midway.

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Speaker 2: Jason Stewart developed this topic this segment. He can give

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Speaker 2: you the background and all you need to know on

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Speaker 2: today's discussion.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Dan. I'll take it from here.

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Speaker 2: I'll take it from here.

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Speaker 5: So so uh.

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Speaker 2: By the way that with that line, I didn't.

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Speaker 5: Even I'll take it from here, Sam, I think that's

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Speaker 5: the bat line calling. The hot one around on the

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Speaker 5: FCC is calling me. We might be taking off the

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Speaker 5: air here pretty quick. I guarantee it's big Mike to

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Speaker 5: talk about his poker games. I guarantee that's what it is.

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Speaker 5: So Dan, this is a Dan's idea. I don't know

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Speaker 5: why I'm doing this, but I think with the Hall

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Speaker 5: of Fame game tomorrow night, I think this is a

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Speaker 5: great topic. What what players right now? Plane? So like

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Speaker 5: I think Billy Wagner doesn't count.

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Speaker 2: J J.

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Speaker 5: Watt doesn't count. What current NFL player playing right now

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Speaker 5: is a no brainer? Hall of Famer. The one aspect

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Speaker 5: that I tried to shoehorn in this is like, can

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Speaker 5: we pat sajack this up, Aaron and take the obvious

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Speaker 5: letters off the screen that everybody knows? In other words,

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Speaker 5: do we take Kelsey off because it's a no brainer,

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Speaker 5: it's an easy one.

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Speaker 2: Or do we leave him in or do we have

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Speaker 2: a production meeting on air? Dan, I think that we can.

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Speaker 2: We can name who is just automatic no brainer? And

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Speaker 2: what I think is going to happen if somebody's gonna

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Speaker 2: say a name and everyone gonna be like cold up,

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Speaker 2: old up, I think that's what's gonna happen. So and

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Speaker 2: I think we reverse that.

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Speaker 3: I think it's like we take obscure like, well, I mean,

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Speaker 3: this punter is obviously in his net yardage and like

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Speaker 3: nobody else has any facts on that.

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Speaker 2: We'll do it Jason's way. He's the producer of the show.

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Speaker 2: So who do we who do we have on the board,

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Speaker 2: So who do we know is going in? Mahomes? Right? Like,

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Speaker 2: if if Patrick Mahomes didn't play another NFL game, he's

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Speaker 2: in the Hall, and then you would go Tramas, Travis

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Speaker 2: Kelsey with that. I'm good with that. Aaron Rodgers, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: for sure, I'm gonna give you another one. Derrick Henry, Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: I like it. I think that Derrick Henry doesn't have

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Speaker 2: to rush another yard in his career and he's going

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Speaker 2: to be a Hall of Fame. I like that one.

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Speaker 2: So that's four right now, Rogers, Mahomes, Kelsey, Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 2: Now we can have the discussion those Do you think

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Speaker 2: it's those four? Unless something comes to mind? Guys, I

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Speaker 2: have a fifth? All right?

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Speaker 3: And again this is where not having like the credentials.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Lamar Jackson is a two time league MVP

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Speaker 3: that feel that would be weird if he retire today,

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Speaker 3: and a two time league MVP who easily could have

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Speaker 3: won a third one. I know the window is small.

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Speaker 3: I just find it hard to believe that he would.

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Speaker 2: Not be in. I agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I agree with that, and by the way, people disagree,

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm more than you know. Come at me, but

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying I think that feels relatively no brainersh

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Speaker 3: to me.

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Speaker 2: I would agree with that. I think Von Miller is

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Speaker 2: no doubt a Hall of Famer. Super Bowl MVP, Defensive

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Speaker 2: Player of the Year. I put von Miller on that list,

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Speaker 2: and then I have I have won more. And we

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Speaker 2: can't do this for all thirty two teams because I

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Speaker 2: just but Trent Williams of the forty nine ers is

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Speaker 2: like a ten time pro bowler, all pro. I think

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Speaker 2: that Trent Williams is automatic in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: All right, So let me ask you another question. Are

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Speaker 2: we allowed to like look stuff up? Yes? Okay, okay, cool,

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Speaker 2: So it's not. I encourage it, actually because I think

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Speaker 2: it adds to the argument.

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Speaker 3: Let me throw this in. Matthew Stafford top ten all

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Speaker 3: time in passing yards. Yeah, and there are a couple

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Speaker 3: other you know, key stats.

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Speaker 2: So no brainer from Sam. Yeah, Stafford's definitely in. I

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Speaker 2: don't think he'll be a first ballot. Actually, it depends

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Speaker 2: on the class. Honestly, if there aren't a lot of

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Speaker 2: big names, I think they'll put a quarterback in. I

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Speaker 2: think that his resume is Yeah, is solidified the Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl when stamped it. I agree with Stafford. I think

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Speaker 2: Stafford's but he's not.

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Speaker 5: He's not in that original, the original list, the Pat

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Speaker 5: Stanst right correct. He's up for He's up for debate.

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Speaker 2: I think he could be the I think he and

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Speaker 2: Lamar are up for you what you're saying, like, they're

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Speaker 2: right there.

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Speaker 3: They're they're they're there, They're the reverse Lamar incredible numbers

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Speaker 3: in a small window and incredible individual accomplishment in a

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Speaker 3: small window. Matthew Stafford just production for basically two straight decades.

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Speaker 2: It's point and I think that if you if again,

650
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: this is if if the players don't play another down.

651
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: So like so, someone like Jamar Chase, who's had a

652
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: magnificent start to his career, is just maybe too young

653
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: for this argument like his he's got a he's got

654
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: a career that's trending towards being Hall of Famer. If

655
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: this continues. Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt he's

656
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: the best wide receiver in the game. But as we

657
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: start to figure this out. Like Terrell Davis. When you

658
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: look at Terrell Davis's numbers, there was a point where,

659
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: like Charrell Davis was the best player in football, but

660
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: his career was cut short because of injuries. He ended

661
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: up getting into the Hall of Fame. If something were

662
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: to happen to the Jamar Chase injury wise, I think

663
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: that there could be there'd be an interesting argument to

664
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: go along those lines, but I wouldn't put him in

665
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: just yet. A guy still on his you.

666
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 3: Know, I hate to say, it's the Derek Rose corlery, right,

667
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: It's like Dereck Rose was so clearly on the trajectory

668
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: and then just but he didn't reach that point where

669
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 3: it was unimpeachable. He was so good, but then the

670
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: injuries just started and they never stopped, and it becomes

671
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: either a debate or he's just not in. And so

672
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: you have a guy like Jamar Chase, you have probably

673
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: you know, a Jaden Daniels would be in that window.

674
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: I know after one year it's a little whatever, but

675
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 3: you know, you see them on the path, but they

676
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: just haven't accomplished enough to do it.

677
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just need like a little bit more like

678
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: I just need I just need like another year in

679
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: the NFL. That's basically all that it is. So Sam's

680
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: got a name, TJ. Watt possible this I just purely

681
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: by the number.

682
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 6: Because broken the record.

683
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 3: Nice.

684
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: But I'm I'm I think, yes, I think that that is.

685
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: I think that's a can.

686
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 4: You imagine him just never getting in like I can't.

687
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 4: I have to see he gets it at some point.

688
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 2: Correct for what he's accomplished in his limited NFL career.

689
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 4: Yes, like they haven't had a deep run in the

690
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: playoffs with him on the team, but mostly that's offensive issues,

691
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: defensive issues.

692
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I think TJ. Watt is a good answer, Manzi.

693
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 2: By the way, Watt four time All Pro and eight seasons,

694
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: I think that says it O.

695
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 6: I have a nomination, yes, Mike Evans, Oh.

696
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 4: Say yes, that's a great ant. That's a great one.

697
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 4: That's a great recommendation.

698
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: Mazzi. He is on my list, I wrote, I wrote

699
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: twelve wait, I wrote, I can't count fourteen names down,

700
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: two of which had knows. A couple of others had

701
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: question marks, including Jamar Chase. Mike Evans was on my

702
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: list and did not have a question mark.

703
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 5: I think he's in.

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00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: Yes, I think he absolutely is in, just on a

705
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: level of consistencies. Abso with the different players that he

706
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: played with. Yep. Granted you get a couple of seasons

707
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: with Brady, but with Baker Mayfield. I mean, yes, I am.

708
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: I am down with Mike Evans. The other thing that

709
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: I like about Mike Evans, and if you're OCD like me,

710
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: it's it's so fulfilling. You just look at his yardage

711
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: total and it's all four digits. Remember remember the season

712
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: he needed he was just shy, he needed to get

713
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: over a thousand yards. It's the same thing with Curtis Martin.

714
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: When you look at Curtis Martin's career, just look at

715
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: his rushing numbers and it's a thousand yard season, thousand

716
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: yard season, thousand yard season, thousand yard season, thousand yard season,

717
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 2: thousand yard seasons. Now a little different in a seventeen

718
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: game schedule, But Mike Evans absolutely, I think that is

719
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: a great nomination.

720
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: Mike Evans a one thousand four yard season, also one

721
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 3: thousand six yard season, so literally one catch away two

722
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 3: times from not getting over there.

723
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: Just a little fun fact, just a little fun fact.

724
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 5: Like everything that he does moving forward is just like

725
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 5: extra extra frosting. Yeah, agreed, let me let me I'll

726
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 5: throw one out there that's like the opposite of TJ.

727
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 5: Watt because TJ. Watt, in my mind, is like he's

728
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 5: gonna just start stack even more numbers. This guy was

729
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 5: a Hall of famer, I think two years ago if

730
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 5: we had this discussion. But is Russell Wilson still or

731
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 5: is even a Hall of Famer?

732
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 2: I said no, Ever, I don't, I don't. I don't

733
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: think so. I I know his early years in Seattle,

734
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: he was a part of that that team. I think

735
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: his best years were after that. The super Bowl, there

736
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: was no doubt he was He was good, and I

737
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 2: think that super Bowl will carry a lot of weight.

738
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: But how it is just absolutely flamed out over these

739
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 2: last couple of years, and maybe some of its circumstances,

740
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: maybe Denver wasn't the right fit. Maybe it wasn't you know,

741
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: Nathaniel Hackett was part of the problem. He and Sean Payton,

742
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: oil and water. It seems like all of those things

743
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: are could have been real. But man, it's it's I

744
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: just don't, I don't think so.

745
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question about Russell Wilson specifically,

746
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 3: is there another And I'm not saying he's an all

747
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: time great, So I'm not saying he's an all time great,

748
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: But is there an all time great quarterback whose best

749
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: individual years actually directly conflict with his team's best years?

750
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 2: You know, like you could draw a pretty straight line.

751
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 3: Brady's best years probably in a Super Bowl, probably winning

752
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl?

753
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: Does Shaun Watson's best year is when they were like

754
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 2: four and twelve like that. Like I know, bad, bad,

755
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: bad example, but like that's what you're talking about. Yeah,

756
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: Like like Russell Wilson last year, Joe Burrow, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

757
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 7: No.

758
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: Zia the way back in the way back chill, but

759
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: even Joe Burrow, like the only reason they were even

760
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: relevant was because of him. Sure where I certainly wouldn't

761
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 3: say the Seahawks were relevant despite Russell Wilson, but he

762
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 3: wasn't even close to the biggest reason. I don't know,

763
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: it's just an interesting thought, Like I I just there's

764
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: not a lot of guys that were, like their best

765
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: statistical years actually did not coincide with necessarily the biggest winning.

766
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: The other Like Wilson's a ten time pro bowler, but

767
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: then you think of like this Pro Bowl mattering. Well,

768
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: that's part of the that's part of the conversation. Also

769
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: when you're like in the AFC and you're stacked, you know.

770
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: I mean, there was a time where it's Brady Manning, Roethlisberger, Rivers,

771
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: you know, all these quarterbacks, and so you're trying to

772
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: jockey for your spot in the Pro Bowl and you're

773
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: being blocked by these other guys. Not probably not too

774
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: different than right now with mahomes Lamar Josh Allen, Joe

775
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 2: Burrow for other guys trying to trying to make their

776
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: way in. But I just it's funny because I don't

777
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: look at I don't remember ten awesome, awesome years from

778
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, even though I felt like I've watched his career.

779
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: The first two years the Seahawks were an amazing team

780
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: and he offered them a dynamic. But that's what I mean.

781
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: It wasn't until they were past their Super Bowl where

782
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson really took on the responsibility of being that top.

783
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. It's just a totally unique thing

784
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: to him that I can really think of.

785
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 5: And if Pete Carroll decides to run Marshawn winch off tackle.

786
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson is a Hall of Famer, right, because two

787
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 5: super Bowls get you win, so one play it comes

788
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 5: down to one play, you think.

789
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: Uh, yes, I think so because Eli is a bit

790
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: in the same situation. Eli did not get in last year.

791
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: I think Eli Manning will get in. I just I

792
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: applaud them, the voters for not putting him in as

793
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: a first ballot, because if you put him in first ballot,

794
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: then every quarterback gets in. I and so I think

795
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 2: that they kept the bar, they kept the standard. Eli

796
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: Manning's got fifty seven thousand yards. He's eleventh all time

797
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: in passing yards. Russell Wilson is seventeenth. He's eleven thousand

798
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: yards short. And I don't think he's going to pass

799
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: Eli Manning. So he's got the one super Bowl when

800
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson does Eli Manning scot two. Eli Manning was

801
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: a four time Pro Bowler. Russell Wilson's ten Giants didn't

802
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: make the playoffs every year like the Seahawks did, but again,

803
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: as a Seahawks fan, that there were years where you're

804
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: just like, are there a playoff team? But they're not good?

805
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: Enough to to do anything in the playoffs. So that's

806
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: that's where I just kind of moved back off of it.

807
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: Like like, if you want to compare one super Bowl quarterbacks,

808
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 2: Matthew Staffn's just had a way better career than Russell

809
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: Wilson has. Can I just say two?

810
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 3: This kind of shows you like the shelf life of players,

811
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: Like you think about these players that in the moment

812
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: we talked about so much that wouldn't even be in consideration.

813
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: Like I know it's bad example because he's running back,

814
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 3: but like we reference to Ezekiel Elliott earlier, like Zeke

815
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: Elliott was like a main focal talking point of a

816
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 3: great team and then it's just boom, He's gone and

817
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: never to be discussed again.

818
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: Just interesting. I think there could be there could be

819
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: an argument for someone like Ezekiel Elliott. But what about

820
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley.

821
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, if we're having this conversation a year ago, he's

822
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 5: not a no brainer, right correct?

823
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, I don't even think he's in consideration. Yeah,

824
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: for what he's done, but last year and now what

825
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 2: could end up happening. I also feel there's a lower

826
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: bar with current day running backs from as opposed to

827
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: maybe what we had previously. The other thing is this

828
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: also is.

829
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: What do you value as a quote unquote Hall of

830
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 3: Fame voter likes if Saquon literally did something that no

831
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: one has ever done, but he never comes close to

832
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: doing it again. And I know he didn't do what

833
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: nobody's onod he get the point, Like, do we value

834
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: that more than ten straight?

835
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 7: You know?

836
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 3: Like if Joe Burrow just threw some ungodly Joe Burrows

837
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: backs some quarterback throws some un godly amount of touchdown passes,

838
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: but doesn't have the totality of Matthew Stafford's career, Like,

839
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: how do we value that? You know, like that one

840
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: individual season where Saquon was the focal point of every conversation,

841
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: wins the Super Bowl, but maybe doesn't have the eight

842
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 3: ten year run.

843
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: I think that we like, gosh, I'm gonna say it, guys,

844
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: the it factor. Yeah, and I think that Saquon has it.

845
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: And it's not meant to be a popularity, but he

846
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: is a difference maker. He made them a completely different team.

847
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: I agree. I got I got one. Okay, wait, sorry,

848
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: I didn't see you. Were you waving My bad?

849
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 6: I didn't see it.

850
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: Let's go Sam first, then Manci, Well, how about a

851
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 4: guy who helped open up holes for him?

852
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: This show d be pretty easy. Lane Johnson, I would

853
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: think is a full yeah, that's a good yes. Yes,

854
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: I think that's so. That's when we can grant quickly. Monci.

855
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: I got a couple more names, Moncy ahead, DeVante Adams.

856
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: I put a question mark by him.

857
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 6: I like his numbers are comparable to something like Mike

858
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 6: Evans overall.

859
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 5: Yes, the ring, the ring is the one thing right missing,

860
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 5: because I thought of Keenan Allen too. Isn't isn't he

861
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 5: stockpiled stats? But there's no ring there? How's he and

862
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 5: Devonte's stock.

863
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Keenan Allen eleve and seventy four yards. It's good

864
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: for fortieth all time, Davante Adams a few spots higher

865
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: at thirty third all time, eleven and forty four yards.

866
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: Davante doing it in one year less than Keenan Allen.

867
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen's a nice player. I think he'll be a

868
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: Chargers Hall of Famer or Ring of Honor guy. I

869
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: would not consider Keenan Allen as a Hall of Famer.

870
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 3: I would say, respectfully, Keenan Allen the reverse it factor.

871
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 3: There's just he doesn't like, you know, like Jamar Chase

872
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 3: has it, Garrett Wilson has it. I don't think of

873
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: Keenan Allen like that. Mike Evans has it.

874
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: DeVante Adam's a three time All Pro to have that

875
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: six seasons of one thousand yards or more. His career

876
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: did get off to a slower start than others and

877
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: then developed into that top guy. But if you do

878
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: something with the Rams this year, I think that would

879
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: that would go a long way. If you have another

880
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: thousand yard season, I think that puts you into the

881
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: to the list. I'm gonna give you. I'm going to

882
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: give you a name. Gosh, okay, I'm gonna give you

883
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: a name. He's not playing right now. Controversy surrounding him,

884
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: Justin Tucker because of his current situation, we think he's

885
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: the greatest kicker of all time. This Justin Tucker no

886
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: longer remember of the Baltimore Ravens. Would he get into

887
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame because of this scandal surrounding him?

888
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 5: How many field goal kickers are in the Hall of Fame?

889
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 7: Is it?

890
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: It's just a handful, Yeah, there's yeah. Jan Stener rud

891
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 2: is in, Adam Vinitry uh sue Morton Anderson, right, Yes,

892
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: Morton Anderson is in. Yes, I think that's a factor

893
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: in this.

894
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 5: If he played like cornerback and had this scandal, but

895
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 5: he was a Hall of Famer before the scandal.

896
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: I think he gets in. I don't know.

897
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 5: I don't know if you let a kicker in who's

898
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 5: had this scandal?

899
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 4: Did he when?

900
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: Did he?

901
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 4: Was he on the team when they won that Super

902
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 4: Bowl like ten eleven years ago? Okay, so the season

903
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 4: that definitely.

904
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: Helps, Yeah, it does. He's I mean when you talk

905
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: about who he was, what he was playing. He the

906
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: greatest kicker that we have seen in the NFL, and

907
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: now you have this this scandal. I think he should

908
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: be in. I wasn't going to include him because he

909
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: wasn't on a team, But I think that the the

910
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: name was the name was interesting. And I'll give you another.

911
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 2: I'll give you two names that aren't. Zach Martin just retired.

912
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: I think that he would he would get in. And

913
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: Cam Jordan of the Saints. Yeah you had Cam Jordan

914
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: written down? Yeah, yep. I think Cam Jordan's in. Anybody else?

915
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 2: Do we miss anybody else?

916
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 5: I have one go ahead, go ahead, Miles Garrett right now?

917
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 5: Then are out out?

918
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 2: Wow. Yes, I'd have to go to the stats, have

919
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: to go to the ball, and I my gut could

920
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 2: be proven wrong. Jason, you bring him up as a nominee,

921
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 2: did you tilt either way?

922
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 5: No? He he just feels like a Hall of Famer

923
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 5: to me when I think about him. But I don't

924
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 5: know if the stats back then up and it's still

925
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 5: very young in his career. Maybe, I don't know.

926
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: One hundred and two and a half sacks, fifty eighth

927
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 3: all time, head of Charles Haley.

928
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: Charles Haley's a Hall of Famer, right, he just got

929
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: in like three four years ago. Yeah, so he And uh,

930
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: you know what if I was quick to put t

931
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: J Watt in to that point, yeah, maybe I would

932
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 2: have to change Maybe I would have to change my tune.

933
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 5: TJ.

934
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 3: I don't realize he was that high up five and

935
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: a half career, more sacks than Miles Garrett does.

936
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: Same year got drafted.

937
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 4: To so Bo Benson came in. He said, what about

938
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson? Based just on the tear he's on right now,

939
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 4: I said, he's just not playing it long enough.

940
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: Here's here's the problem. And this is why the Mike

941
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: Evans argument I think is key because of how consistent

942
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: he was. It's not easy for receivers to get into

943
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. Like there are great receivers that

944
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: are still like waiting to be enshrined. So for some reason,

945
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: there's this I don't know if it's a bias towards

946
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: them or what, but there receivers have had to wait

947
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: a long time. They've had to wait a while to

948
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 2: get into the Hall of Fame. Only a very few

949
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: are enshrined in their first time out. I mean too

950
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: had to wait, you know. So so that's the tricky thing.

951
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: So like I'm I think that Justin Jefferson could be

952
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 2: on his way there. He's got the trajectory. But yes,

953
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: but it is it is much more difficult for a

954
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: wide receiver to get into the Hall of Fame than

955
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: maybe any other position. And the DeVante Adams, like we

956
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: put him in, like I didn't put DeVante Adams in.

957
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 2: That also is part of the argument. So maybe it's

958
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: even tougher for someone like Devonte Adams. I'll be honest.

959
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 3: When this segment was pitched, I thought it was going

960
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 3: to be a lot more definitives than there actually are.

961
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: And it's not it's not a good or bad thing.

962
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 3: It's just I would have guessed there was twenty five

963
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: no doubt about hers, and what are there about eight

964
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: to ten?

965
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, and there are alignments and stuff like you

966
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: brought up Lane Johnson later on in the conversation that

967
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: we didn't have earlier on. But I think that that

968
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: was a that's a good no brainer. Mind.

969
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 6: Did we mention speaking of a lineman. Did we mention

970
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 6: like Chris.

971
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: Jones lately he's making a push? Yes, yes, I would

972
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: say for what he's done over the last three or

973
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: four years, yes, three ring push? Okay, I have a name.

974
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: Then this guy, which helps, by the way, ring those

975
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: rings do help, if rings help.

976
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 4: This guy doesn't have his mini and his stats aren't incredible,

977
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 4: but he's been in the league a long time. He

978
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 4: has suit at Kyle van Noy, Yeah, he's only pro

979
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 4: bowler one time, but he has two super Bowl rings

980
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 4: with the Patriots.

981
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 5: No, I yeah, no, Kyle van No. That's the first

982
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 5: really bad idea. I mean, you have to go to

983
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 5: people have super Bowl rings.

984
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 4: I mean you have to go to people who have

985
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 4: multiple super rings, right, they don't just end up being those.

986
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: I think they get favored, Like, I'm not do they do.

987
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: I don't think Jillian Edelman is a Hall of Famer.

988
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 2: And there are people who are making a case because

989
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: of the success that he meant with New England that

990
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: he's a Hall of Famer, and I don't, like, I

991
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 2: don't put him in the Justin Jefferson, uh, DeVante Adams

992
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: sort of Mike Evans sort of rull.

993
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 3: And it goes to like what you value and then

994
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 3: also it goes to like the old I keep using

995
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: the basketball references, but it's like whose career would you

996
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 3: rather have? Robert or or Carmelo Anthony? You know, And

997
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: it's like it's kind of the same same here with

998
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 3: this situation.

999
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 5: Oh oh oh, one more, right, one more.

1000
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey, I was trying to think of a dB.

1001
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: I was like, there has to be some dB with

1002
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: the numbers.

1003
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 5: Does you have a ring?

1004
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: He's got a ring right, the Rams? Yeah, he was

1005
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: the Rams that year.

1006
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 5: I the best corner for three or four straight years?

1007
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: Is that what it was? Yeah, It's tough for me

1008
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 2: to judge, Like I I feel like the like Patrick's

1009
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 2: or Tanna is on that rising way of like and

1010
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: he's only been in the league a couple of years

1011
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 2: where he can be that guy. Maybe Jalen Ramsey was

1012
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: that guy for a while. What are his accolades?

1013
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 3: Well, three times first first Team All Pro, seven time

1014
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl. You know what's interesting I was thinking about this.

1015
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 3: Is it the only position in sports where, in some cases,

1016
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: the fewer numbers you have the better. He's only got

1017
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: twenty four career interceptions, But how many times is it

1018
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 3: like we're just not throwing to his side of the field.

1019
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: And he was a part of the Jacksonville team that

1020
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: went to the AFC Championship game against New England that

1021
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: was led on defense. Oh man, it's also part of

1022
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 2: a Dolphins team that just completely no showed him. Yeah,

1023
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: I think that's a good nominee. I'd put him borderline.

1024
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 2: I think that he probably would get in in the

1025
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: end when you give those numbers and where he and

1026
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: what he's meant to those defensive teams, even though what

1027
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: I think hurts him is that he's moved around a lot,

1028
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: which I think hurts Devanta Adams of recent memory. All right, there,

1029
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: it is midway for today the Midway. He's erintaur As.

1030
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: I'm Dan Byer. Thanks to Manzi Bolangios, Jason Stewart and

1031
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: Iowa sam As. It is Hall of Fame weekend. I'm

1032
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 2: sure we forgot names. Feel free to pass them along.

1033
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: I'm at Dan Byer on Fox. You can find Aaron

1034
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 2: at Aaron Underscore Torres.

1035
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,560
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1037
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,959
Speaker 7: dot Com and within the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: He's erin tourre As. I'm Dan Byer in for Doug

1039
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: Gottlieb Today, Doug taking in some day baseball Monty Blagos.

1040
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: He'll have an update for us about what's happening in

1041
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: Milwaukee between the Cubs and Brewers. Doug taking in that

1042
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: nf NL Central showdown. Hit aerin up at Aaron Underscore Torres.

1043
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: You can find me at Dan Byer on Fox. Monty

1044
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: will have the update in five minutes for us. We

1045
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 2: are going to dive into college football because camps are opening.

1046
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: We had Dion Sanders making the announcement that he battled

1047
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: bladder cancer this past summer. It's going to return to

1048
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 2: coaching full time. Great to hear, uh, Dion is cancer free?

1049
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 2: Aze doctor say, and let me ask you a quick question.

1050
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: I'm me to cut you off. I know you're in.

1051
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,479
Speaker 3: That press conference was ten Pacific, eleven Mountain. I would

1052
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: imagine there was a possibility prepping for the Doug Gottlieb Show.

1053
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 3: Did you hear the Dion press conference live?

1054
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: I did not know. I just heard the clips that No,

1055
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: it was.

1056
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 3: It was pretty surreal live because you know you're going in,

1057
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: you know he has this health problem, and you know

1058
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 3: you have these buckets.

1059
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 5: You know.

1060
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 3: Some people think that, oh, he's you know, announcing that,

1061
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 3: you know, whatever it is, he's fine. You have some

1062
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 3: people think that there's some serious health issue. You have

1063
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 3: some people think, oh, he's retiring because he only wanted

1064
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 3: to coach his son. So I just asked because I

1065
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 3: saw it live, having no idea what to expect, and

1066
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: when they dropped some of the stuff that they dropped,

1067
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 3: it was pretty heavy, and I thought, because of the

1068
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 3: workflow that you have getting ready for this show and everything,

1069
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 3: that you might have seen it live.

1070
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 2: That was the only reason I asked. It's also on

1071
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: the drive in as well, driving into work, but he

1072
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: is herein Torres I'm buyer Jason Stewarts here, as is

1073
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 2: Iowa Sam. We mentioned Manti at the news desk. College

1074
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: football takes center stage for another reason because the debate continues.

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Speaker 2: Media days are wrapped up, camps are now open, but

1076
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: the debate continues over the format. We still don't know

1077
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: in the future if we're going to have a twelve

1078
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 2: school or a sixteen school format, and what the format

1079
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: would be if we end up changing the format of

1080
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 2: the bracket that is currently one year old in its

1081
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: current form, which by the way, is changed from the

1082
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: previous form already. This is what's at stake here. The

1083
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: SECS and others want five automatic bids for the conference

1084
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 2: champions and eleven at large bids. The Big Ten now

1085
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: seemingly by themselves, want a scenario where they in the

1086
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 2: SEC get four automatic bids, the Big twelve and the

1087
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: ACAC get two automatic bids. You have a group of

1088
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 2: six champion that would get an automatic bid, and then

1089
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: you would have three at large bids. And it seems

1090
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: that the other leagues, to my surprise, Big twelve in

1091
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: ACC are now siding with the SEC and all of this,

1092
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 2: and the Big ten feels like it's the lone Wolf

1093
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: now Tony Petiti supported it at the Big Ten media days,

1094
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: feel says he feels that it's the fairest I'm on

1095
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 2: the side of that erin because I don't know, as

1096
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 2: crazy as it sounds, and Brett Ormark can say what

1097
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: he wants, I don't know if the other conferences know

1098
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: what they're getting into if they do a five plus eleven.

1099
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 2: I think that on the surface, it looks like it's

1100
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: open up to everyone, but in how we consume college

1101
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: football and how we judge college football, I just don't

1102
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: think that's the case, especially for those league members, and

1103
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: so in a way, it's kind of a take what

1104
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 2: you can get and then maybe there's more on the backside.

1105
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: I just don't see a scenario where if you're the

1106
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: ACC or the Big Twelve, that you're getting four schools

1107
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 2: into this bracket, so you better take what you can

1108
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: get so you don't end up having just one school in.

1109
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 2: That's why I support the Big Ten and their their

1110
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 2: reasoning for having the four plus four and others.

1111
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's really interesting that you frame it that way,

1112
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 3: because that was my initial thought. I remember whenever this

1113
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 3: format first started. I remember actually talking to Chris Plank,

1114
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 3: who hosts on weekends along you know, not with me,

1115
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 3: but on the you know, same time windows whatever.

1116
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 5: Uh.

1117
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 3: He obviously Oklahoma football is very heavily involved, and I

1118
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 3: think he and I are both of our defaults were

1119
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 3: great for the ACC. You're gonna get a second team,

1120
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 3: even though most years you haven't had a second team.

1121
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: That's worthy.

1122
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 3: The counter that I have heard that I do think

1123
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 3: makes sense is that by default, because we call them,

1124
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 3: we call them the power four, right, the SEC, the

1125
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 3: Big Ten, the ACC and the Big Twelve. I think

1126
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 3: in theory we know the ACC the SEC have more

1127
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 3: power than the other two conferences and certainly everybody else

1128
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 3: in college football. But by doing the four four two

1129
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 3: two one model, besides, it's all the other stuff which

1130
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 3: we can get into if we have time.

1131
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if we will.

1132
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 3: The ACC and Big twelve are also unofficially admitting that

1133
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 3: they are not actually on the same level as the

1134
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 3: Big Ten in the SEC, and so I actually see

1135
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,959
Speaker 3: both sides from that perspective. Again, I remember talking about

1136
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 3: it six months ago of like, ACC should be thankful

1137
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 3: get that second team in. But then I do think

1138
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 3: it's a fair point of you're basically acknowledging that we're

1139
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 3: calling you the power for. We may know that you're

1140
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 3: not really the power for, but this actually tangibly proves

1141
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 3: that it's a power too.

1142
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: And then two behind them, and you're saying, in an

1143
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: indirect way, you're admitting that you're not only up to

1144
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: that level, but that your resume is not sufficient because

1145
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 2: you're at that second tier.

1146
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 3: The resume would speak for itself, but I think it's

1147
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 3: a public perception thing. And then it gets into the

1148
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 3: recruiting stuff.

1149
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: Go God, I don't think the resume does speak for

1150
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: itself if you're if you're considered a lower one. And

1151
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 2: the reason being is I think that we don't get

1152
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 2: the resumes in the right way. That's the argument of

1153
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 2: the SEC. I think that I think that we and

1154
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 2: I actually feel like we look at the SEC in

1155
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: eight game schedule versus nine game schedule is a topic

1156
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: that's talked about a lot. We focus so much on

1157
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 2: losses in college football, and so the fewer losses you get,

1158
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: the better it is for you. And there is in

1159
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: college basketball, if you have a thirty and four team

1160
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 2: and one that's twenty nine to five negligible You're not

1161
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: sitting there saying, but a four loss team to a

1162
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: five lost team in college football, or a three loss

1163
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: team to a four lost team, we are it's a cavern.

1164
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: And I feel that when you're looking at this, when

1165
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 2: you take those three losses by a school and say, well,

1166
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 2: look they only had three losses, and you take the

1167
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: four school, you take the worst loss of the fourth

1168
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: of the four loss school, and then you harp on that,

1169
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 2: and that to me is the problem is. I do

1170
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: feel like the SEC would get an advantage. I do

1171
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: think that there is an SEC biased and so by

1172
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: when you are deciding then with the eleven at large,

1173
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: we're always going to default to the SEC because we

1174
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: think it's a gauntlet of a league. And I don't

1175
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: know how the other conferences don't see that, like I

1176
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: feel the actually the Big Ten is in a way

1177
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: of like, okay, no offense, Iowa Sam. I'm gonna use

1178
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: Iowa as an example. But if the Big Ten has

1179
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: their version of their playing games, which is another level

1180
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: of all of this, and a six seed Iowa comes

1181
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: in and ends up upsetting the third seed Penn State

1182
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 2: Nitney Lions, and Iowa gets the you know, gets the

1183
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 2: at large bid. Iowa earned it because that's what was

1184
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 2: at stake at that time, where I think the sixth

1185
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: place team in the SEC without that format, people would

1186
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 2: still say, well, Arkansas is pretty good. There were eight

1187
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: and you know they were six and two in conference.

1188
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 2: This year they were eight and four or nine and

1189
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: four overall. Like that's like, I think we look at

1190
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: what the SEC does in their fifth and sixth place

1191
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: team would get an advantage over others or at least

1192
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: the Big ten is saying we're gonna put ours to

1193
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: the test really quick.

1194
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 3: That was the entire and this was the biggest takeaway

1195
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 3: that I had from the twelve team playoff era for

1196
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 3: a year. One is that no matter how many teams

1197
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 3: you let in, the SEC is always going to argue

1198
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 3: that they should get more. And the argument last year was,

1199
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 3: I mean, Alabama, will they beat Georgia, Well, they beat

1200
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 3: South Carolina. It's like, yeah, they also lost to Vanderbilt,

1201
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 3: and they also lost to a bad Oklahoma team, and

1202
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 3: so it's like, I like, I think there's absolutely something

1203
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 3: to that from the perspective of there's just this default

1204
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 3: that losses shouldn't matter in the SEC and that win

1205
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 3: should mean more, and I don't think that's the case.

1206
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 3: And you know, it's something we don't have time to

1207
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 3: talk about now, but it's like, I do wonder what

1208
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 3: it will actually take for that perception change, because we're

1209
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 3: coming off back to back seasons where the Big Ten

1210
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 3: has won the national championship, back to back seasons where

1211
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 3: the SEC didn't even play for a national championship, And

1212
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 3: I'm just curious how long it takes before the public

1213
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 3: admits it, because now the argument has gone from we're

1214
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 3: definitively the best team to the best league too. Well,

1215
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 3: we haven't had a champion in two years, but we're

1216
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 3: the deepest league. And it's like, okay, so how many

1217
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 3: more years until we acknowledge it? Maybe the Big ten

1218
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 3: is is deep that maybe the best team in the

1219
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 3: Big twelve camp, you know. So I it's a nuanced conversation.

1220
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 3: I know we got to get to Monty, but there's

1221
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 3: a lot of layers to this.

1222
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 2: I'll just quickly say this and Mancy be ready, then

1223
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 2: we will go to you quick. The question of heading

1224
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 2: into this year that I think is interesting in all

1225
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: this is is the SEC in a better spot than

1226
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: they were a year ago? And I say yes for

1227
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: the sole reason of sm you lost to Penn State.

1228
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 2: I know Arizona took Texas to the wire, but they

1229
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 2: ended up losing. Poise State lost to Penn State. So

1230
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 2: you had a final four of two Big Ten teams,

1231
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 2: an SEC team, and Notre Dame. And so now when

1232
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: you're looking at the schools that did bow out, Clemson

1233
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 2: loses to Texas. In that case, you're like, well, look

1234
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 2: those schools in Big twelve and the the ACC, they

1235
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: didn't really do much damage. So now if you're the

1236
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: committee and you're trying to tilt, which we've seen at times,

1237
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: Mountain WESTCTS screwed mountin Westketts screwed all of a sudden,

1238
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: mount West has six teams in the NCAA Tournament for

1239
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 2: men's basketball. Like now, the SEC, there's this shift of

1240
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: maybe ACC and Big twelve isn't a strong so let's

1241
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 2: put these SEC schools in there.

1242
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 3: And I make one thirty second point. I think that's

1243
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 3: actually why this year is super important for Clemson. Clemson

1244
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 3: has a team that is good enough to compete with

1245
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 3: anybody in college football. If they get to a playoff

1246
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 3: and they get blown out by Texas or Georgia or whatever.

1247
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,439
Speaker 3: I actually don't know if the ACC ever recovers where

1248
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 3: I think it's the opposite.

1249
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: You can build on that.

1250
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 3: If they make a national championship, beat the SEC champion

1251
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 3: along the way, they have to be really good.

1252
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: By the way they open with LSU at home. That's

1253
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 2: a big game for them as well.

1254
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,800
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