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You can go to drinkag one dot com 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:29.760 backslastch three. That's drink ag one dot com back ch three. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:37.679 Check it out. My guest today, Justin Leonard. Justin, You've 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:41.920 done basically everything you can possibly do in the game 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.480 of golf. You won an NCAA Individual Champion, USAM Champ, 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:52.160 Players Champ, Major champion, played on three Ryder Cups. So 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:56.760 who better to talk to about the absolute European beatdown? 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:02.720 And you were doing commentary TV at in Rome. You've 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.800 had a couple of days to kind of process it. 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.720 What the hell if you're on the American side, what 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:10.800 the hell happened in Rome? 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:17.760 Well, to me, it looked like, you know, it looked 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:19.760 like a bunch of the guys hadn't played in a while. 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.560 It looked like there was rust, and sure enough they hadn't. 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.680 I mean, you had nine guys that didn't play a 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.800 tournament for five weeks. And I understand, coming auth of fetics, 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.040 cut playoffs and all that, it's nice to have a 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.440 little bit of a break. You know. Roy mcilray and 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.600 John Rahm had the same schedule and yet they fit 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:43.000 in the Irish Open the BMW. Uh. It just it 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:46.360 really looked like it wasn't until Friday morning or afternoon 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:50.240 when the US side was actually really ready to play. 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.960 You know, Max Hoomer played fortinet, Brooks played. The week 0:03:56.040 --> 0:04:02.280 before the Ryder Cup in Chicago, Justin Thomas played fortinet. 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:08.279 You know, other than you know, book Brooks and Scotty's 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:13.480 kind of you know performance and that that uh four 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:18.000 ball session. You know, I think Brooks played okay, uh 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.720 mix Homa probably was the star of the US side. Uh, 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.160 he played great, and Justin Thomas played, you know, much 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.760 better than he was leading into it. So I think 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:34.599 maybe a little bit ill prepared. I think, you know, 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.240 you could say that that the cap I mean the 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.400 captain's picks did not have a good record. I think 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.440 it was four wins, twelve losses and a few times. 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.880 You know, when you have six captains picks, uh, those 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:52.240 guys have to perform. You know. You look at at Rory, 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.599 John Rahm, Victor Hobland, kind of the three stars for 0:04:55.680 --> 0:05:00.400 the European side. Those guys, somebody, I think you told 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.800 me yesterday they won ten or ten and a half points. 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.240 Yeah, Rory goes Rory goes four to one, and oh, 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:11.640 John Rahm goes two, oh and two, and Vic goes 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.800 three to one and one. I did a preview of 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.279 the of the Ryder Cup last week and I said 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.400 that one of the things that I think the Europeans 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.640 historically Justin have done better in the last thirty years 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:26.760 in the US and the Ryder Cup is they're stars. 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:31.160 They get points and a lot of points from their superstars. Right, 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.320 so you've got Rory getting four points, You've got John 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.680 Rahm getting two points, you got big. They are the 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.039 three horses, they are the three studs on that team. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.719 And Rory lost one match and Vic lost one match. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:51.360 Otherwise their three superstars dominate and really really show up 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:56.200 for the Europeans that that seems to be a theme 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.440 just In over the last thirty years. The last time 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:02.120 the US won a rider Cup on foreign soil the 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.839 Belfry in ninety three. You were on the ninety seven 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.839 Ryder Cup team at Valderrama, Tiger's first one where Tom 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.240 Kite was the captain. Why do you think, Justin, and 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.920 then you've been on two winning Ryder Cup teams Brookline, 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:18.800 the Miracle at Brookline and then Valhalla when Zinger was 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.880 the captain in two thousand and eight. Why do you think, 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.159 having done it and watched it for thirty years, why 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.560 does it why are we struggling so much away from home? 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.799 It's I think some of it, especially here the last 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.920 you know, twenty eighteen in Paris and then in Rome 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.480 last week. Being able to set up the golf course 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:47.200 is a huge advantage with all the data and analytics. 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.880 I mean it was a very similar setup I thought 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:55.400 to Paris. Narrow fairways, really deep, rough, the greens weren't 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.919 like icy, glassy fast, they were just good, and their 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.640 speed was around eleven on a step meter. They set 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.120 the golf course up, I think to kind of take 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:09.880 away the maybe the style of play that you see 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.720 more in the US these days, which is hit driver 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.600 down there as far as you can, because they don't 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.000 deal with a lot of you know, four and six 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.960 inch rough hit it down there as far as you get. 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.160 You know, if it's in the fairway, great, if it's 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:26.720 not in the fairway, that's okay too. All the data 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.520 suggests that, and I think that being able to set 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:31.280 up the golf course where you have to hit the 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:35.320 ball in the fairway, they you know, they also took 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.120 a lot of wedges out. There weren't a lot of 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:42.040 holes that were driver wedge or three wood wedge, the 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.120 short holes that would have been played that way. They've 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.120 moved the teas up even further to where now they're drivable. 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.880 And so I think that's another advantage of the US. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.760 They're used to hitting so many wedges that being able 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:56.800 to control the golf course set it up the way 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.880 they want to now. I think, you know, in a 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.040 week or so leading up to it, the captains have 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.800 no more say in it. But leading up to that point, 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:09.120 and I'm sure you know Eduard and Molinari, who was 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.920 an assistant vice captain on the European side, he's very 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.560 much in the analytics. I think he was. He was 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.880 probably paramount and helping set up the golf course, analyzing 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.920 both teams and saying, here's our strengths, here's you know, 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.840 the American straints. Let's try and neutralize the other side 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.560 as much as possible. Conversely, when you come to the States, 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:31.240 you know, you look at the setup at Hazel Teine, 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.120 very little rough hit it down there as far as 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:39.000 you can, whistling straits, very little rough. You know, pound 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.920 it down there as much as you can, so having 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.160 that and then, like you said, it's the blueprint's been 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.400 there for the European side for a number of years. 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:51.360 Before Hovland and Rohm and McElroy, it was Poulter, it 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.320 was Westwood, it was Darren Clark. Before that, it was 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:59.080 Monty Sevy, you know, just on and on, Bernhard Langer. 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.839 So they've always had this really great, kind of top 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:07.840 heavy group. And then they're supporting players. You know, think 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.880 back to like a Jamie Donaldson or a Javid Gilford 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.680 or you know, this year, Bobby McIntyre and those things. 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.760 You know, those guys they raise the level of their 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.679 game to where it's not just the stars, those kind 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.600 of supporting pieces that may not be involved. Every year, 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:27.400 you know, they get a point and a half or 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.640 those kind of things. And that's really truly the difference. 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.360 Every time the US gets beat, whether it's in the 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:41.080 US or in Europe, there's always this kind of pick 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.920 everything apart, try and figure out what went wrong. And 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.200 one of the things that I think a lot of 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:51.280 people think is they say that it means more to 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.480 the Europeans than it does to the US. And I 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:58.880 don't necessarily agree, but it does seem like they have 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:04.520 this ability to raise their game in a way that 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.520 maybe the US team doesn't. And what I mean by 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.600 that is, I mean the running joke, and you've seen this. 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:15.280 If Sergio Garcia, if Tommy Fleet would, if some of 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:19.719 these players putt Victor Hovlin, if Vic Putt's the way 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:24.040 he putted last week, he should be winning majors every 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:26.480 single year. Right, if you look at the way a 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.600 guy like Sergio Garcia putted throughout his Ryder Cup career, 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:33.000 he should have more major championships than he does. And 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:37.720 we were all talking that it just seems like the Europeans, 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:42.280 for this one week, seemed to have raised their game 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:46.320 to a completely different level that a lot of these 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.920 players don't play on a regular basis. 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:54.960 Yeah, look at Ian Poulter. I mean, you know, yeah, 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:58.440 he contended in some major championships and he won certainly 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.400 more on the European tour than he did US. But 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.719 I mean in the Ryder Cup, he turns into an 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:07.560 absolute beast. And then you know, Scotti Scheffler, number one 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.400 player in the world, has been in and around that 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:14.640 number for the last two years. You know, really struggles 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:20.600 and it's I can't tell you why that necessarily is. 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.160 I don't think the Ryder Cup necessarily means more to 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.600 the Europeans than it does to the US. I think that, 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.280 you know, every year, it's this this talk about, you know, 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.679 on paper, the US should win and all these things, 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.959 and it just it doesn't seem to happen that often. Now, 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:41.920 you know, you go back two years ago to Whistling 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.480 Straits and it was a pretty dominant performance and I 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:49.320 think that's kind of what we expected from that team 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:54.760 versus you know, maybe an overmatched European side. But and 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.800 you know, honestly, I thought that might carry forward for 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:02.199 the next or certainly for this year, and maybe going forward. 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.480 And then all of a sudden you realize when Luke 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.280 Donald was making it picks, man, that guy's a really 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.319 good player. Wow, that guy's a really good player. And 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.800 then you look at it and you say, Okay, Adrian 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:16.720 Moronc who was probably number thirteen, Okay, he's won three 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.720 times in the last twelve months, and he won the 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.880 Italian Open at Marcos Simoni last spring and he was 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:27.199 left off the team. So you know, that just shows 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:31.319 how deep the European side was much deeper than I'd expected. 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:36.160 And it's, you know, being that favorite. I don't think 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.080 you want to play in that favorite role. It's really hard. 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:43.960 And the Europeans have really embraced that underdog role of hey, 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.640 let's get out there and play free and we've got 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.720 nothing to lose kind of attitude, and I think the 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.720 US side needs to try and adopt that, to find 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.360 a way to like just let it go a little 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:55.760 bit more. 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:00.640 Having been on three of these, just what's it like? 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:06.160 I mean, how important is the captain in this? Because okay, 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.880 so you guys you go over in ninety seven Tom 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:12.800 Kites the captain, you guys lose. Then Crenshaw and Zinger 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.800 are kind of two of the captains. I mean, Zinger 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:19.959 especially was kind of the guy that kind of from 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.240 a US standpoint, kind of brought this idea of this 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.880 pod system right to where you're gonna get a group 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.720 of players within the twelve, you're gonna have your group, 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.520 they're gonna give you a vice captain, and I think 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.600 that's been really that was new, that was something that 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.480 hadn't really been done before. And then you've got you know, 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:40.520 Ben Crenshaw who's the ultimate old school kind of wake 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.800 up the echoes, kind of you know, iconic, you know 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:49.600 this wreck and tour kind of just a very soulful guy. 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.719 So from a captain standpoint, because obviously everyone's going to 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:56.079 look at Zach as a captain and say, okay, he 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.440 made a bunch of mistakes. When you've been on the 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.800 three Ryder Cups that you've been on, what's that like 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:06.040 as the player captain and how important is to is 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.000 the captain to you as a player on these teams? 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:16.079 Well, I mean three very different styles and personalities and captains. 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.080 You know, Tom Kite was very much by the book 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:23.040 dot all the eyes across all the t's. That being said, 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:27.200 you know, I had three different partners that week. I 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.880 played a match on Saturday afternoon with Tiger Woods. I 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.320 hadn't seen Tiger all week, didn't play a practice around 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.880 with them, all those things, so and we were down too, 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:36.640 So you kind of throw the cards up in the 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:38.440 air and say, well, I've got to change things up. 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:43.880 You know, Ben is very touchy feely. There wasn't a 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.360 lot of organization of that week either. The pairings were 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.600 a little bit random. And then Paul brought this kind 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.640 of organization and continuity to it where he tried to 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:58.280 take some of the the mystery out of it and 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.880 and really said, okay, here's here are the multiple here's 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.080 the chances of guys, you're gonna play with one of 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.720 these three players. And he couldn't tell you which match 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.840 and those things, but you know, and so within our pod, 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.360 like we are able to take some ownership to it 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.880 and and really get involved in the process. And I 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.040 think that's the thing that that captains have tried to 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.720 bring going forward, is there's so much going on for 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:26.240 the week. Uh, it's such a busy week that try 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.720 and take some of the doubt like who who am 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:31.360 I going to play with? Or when am I going 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.280 to play? And so I think that's something that that 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:39.000 these captains, you know, Jim Fearret, Davis lob Now, Zach Johnson, 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.680 have tried to emulate of Okay, let's try and bring 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.560 a little bit of organization to the chaos so that 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.120 guys understand, Okay, I'm likely going to play with these 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:53.240 two or three players, and so you can kind of 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:55.600 you know a little bit more ahead of time. Now 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.480 I understand, like you lose all four sessions on a 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.520 on a you know, Friday, you may have to mix 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.800 things up a little bit. But I think having some 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.120 sense of especially for the players maybe who haven't been 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:12.080 there before, Okay, this may not be your partner all week, 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:14.000 but you're gonna play with one of these two or 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:18.160 three players. I think that's kind of been the idea 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.120 going forward. But for whatever reason, it just didn't work 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:21.840 last week. 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.600 This thing was over on Friday morning, right, I mean 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:28.240 you go, oh, I mean yes, we have seen comebacks before. 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.160 I mean, it happened in the Solheim Cup where the 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.120 just recently the European Soulheim Cup team. They lose the 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.400 first four matches and they went on to win, but 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.600 there was definitely a feeling that after the morning matches 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:44.560 going you know, throwing up the bagel for the US 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:49.800 getting no points, it definitely seemed like, I mean, Europe 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.520 was in the driver's seat, and it seemed like we 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.360 never really recovered from the start that we got off 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:00.000 to in the morning. When you look at those pairings 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:05.160 from that Friday morning, we've got see We've got Scheffler 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:10.800 and Burns, Homa and Brian Harmon, Ricky Fowler, Morikala Xander 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:15.320 and can't lay if you could go back and would 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.399 you send those out as a captain or would you say, Okay, 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:22.560 maybe we make some changes and maybe we play it differently. 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.560 Well, I think, you know, the one pairing in that 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:30.200 that I really kind of hesitate about is the first 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.960 one is Scheffler and Burns. Sam Burns, Yes, he won 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.320 the match played back in the spring, that was in April, 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.440 and he really hasn't played that well since. To put 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.920 him out in an alternate shot, I think I think 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.000 it was a risk. And but I mean the guys 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.920 just didn't play well. I mean the European side was up, 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.560 you know, two and three up through after five or 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:53.960 six holes, and I know those first couple of matches, 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:57.000 and and it just it was a blowout. And I'll 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:00.880 say that that the US had a chance Friday afternoon 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.400 to you know, if they go out and they get 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.600 three to one in the afternoon, I think they'd feel 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.000 pretty They would have felt pretty good about themselves going 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:13.760 into too Saturday morning. But losing the eighteenth hole the 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:15.720 way they did in a couple of those matches, I 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.919 think was it the afternoon it was European side one 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.119 one and then the other three were ties, so you know, 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.160 the US only getting a point and a half. They 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.200 needed three points in the afternoon. So really, to me, 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.840 it was Friday night it was like, okay, this, this 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:31.919 is kind of done. I mean it was what a 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.160 six point yeah, six point deficit at that. 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.240 Point, six and six and a half to one and 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.400 a half after the after Friday. 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:42.680 So five points, they're just there. Needed to be more 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.080 of a sense of urgency. I think on the US 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.800 side Friday afternoon to okay, let's chip away at this. 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:52.960 It's four points, get it to two points by Friday night, 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:54.560 and then all of a sudden, I think you feel 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:59.960 pretty good going into Saturday morning. But it's just time. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.960 And again it's the European side. They'd make a putt 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.720 whenever they got in trouble, they'd chip in those kind 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:09.120 of things, and there was nothing happening like that from 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:09.880 the US team. 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.919 Yeah, the US were down. They were down five points 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.439 after on Friday night, they were down five points on 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.400 Saturday night, and they lose by five points on Sunday night. 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:26.440 Why do you think our record in alternate shot? I'm American, 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:27.600 I call it alternate shot. 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:29.000 I mean, yeah, yeah. 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.720 It's alternate shots. For me, it's best ball, alternate shot, 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.320 foursome's four ball. I can't figure any of that out. 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:36.280 I'm not smart enough. But why do you think the 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:40.840 US struggled so much in the alternate shot format and 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:47.679 the Europeans have just flourished historically in that system. And 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.159 then we always play good in the singles, We always 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.800 tend to play good when it's best ball, but in 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:57.879 the alternate shot over the last thirty years, we just 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.119 get run out of the building. By the way the 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:01.560 Europeans play alternate shot. 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.560 It's I wonder what's happening in practice rounds. I mean, yes, 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:08.480 I'm over there, but I've got to do my work 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:11.600 on the golf course and things like that. I watched 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:16.840 the guys play a little bit on Thursday. I caught 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.320 a few holes of each group with the Americans, and they. 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:21.800 Were, yeah, we saw yeah, we ran into you on 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:22.760 on sixteen. 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:26.000 You know, are they playing some ultnate shot in the 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:30.680 practice rounds? You know, I think they're so busy trying 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:32.879 to get their game ready, especially for the you know, 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.560 the nine guys who hadn't played in five weeks to 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:38.879 sit there and only hit half the shots is. You know, 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:41.080 they feel like, well, I'm not really able to get 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:44.320 my game ready. So you know how much of that 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.479 is happening, I don't know, And I don't know how 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:50.280 much it's happening on the European side. I think the 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:52.600 golf course setup has a lot to do with it. 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:55.439 Just you know, an alternate shot, you have to be 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:59.520 hitting fairways. Certainly on a place like Marcus Simoni with 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.760 rough is deep as it was, you just you have 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:04.200 to be playing from the fairways. And for the US side, 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:08.400 that's never been a real priority because of the way 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:12.200 the golf courses are set up and maintained weekend week out. 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:13.320 On the PGA Tour. 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:16.240 I was doing I did some commentary for Sky and 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:18.680 I was doing I was in one of the sessions 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:21.560 with Andrew Coltart and Rich Beam. And Andrew was saying 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:26.000 off camera it was Friday morning. He was like, they're 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:30.000 professional golfers. I know, they don't play this type of 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:33.600 golf all the time. And he was saying the same 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:35.760 thing that you were saying. It just seemed like in 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:39.040 the alternate shot, the Americans were struggling to get the 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:43.000 ball in play. On Sunday, I went out and followed 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.200 Brooks and walked around his match. And one of the 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:47.080 things I said to Brooks before he went out with 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.280 against lud big Alberg Goes said, listen, just don't give 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:53.840 him any holes. Make him beat you with either a 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:57.560 birdie or a part, but don't get out of the holes. 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:01.919 And on Sunday, in the singles match, Justin Brooks played 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:05.320 so much more conservative than he did in the other 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.000 two matches he played. I mean he was hitting some 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.800 driving irons off with some te's. He was hitting a 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:13.560 lot of three woods off of some teams. That wasn't 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.639 what he did in best ball and alternate shot. And 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.400 he did it in the singles and he won easily, right, 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:22.000 I mean, he cruised, He didn't have any problems. He 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:25.679 looked totally in control. Is it hard than as a 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:30.919 player justin to adapt on the fly when the golf 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:34.639 course kind of demands that you do that? And I 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.520 know the mindset right because I'm walking all the practice 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:40.840 rounds with all of these guys, and I'll be honest 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.359 with you, in the three practice rounds that I walked, 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:45.880 most of the guys are just hitting the US guys. 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:49.119 They're hitting driver everywhere on a golf course, as you said, 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:52.639