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So 50 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: who better to talk to about the absolute European beatdown? 51 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: And you were doing commentary TV at in Rome. You've 52 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: had a couple of days to kind of process it. 53 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: What the hell if you're on the American side, what 54 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: the hell happened in Rome? 55 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: Well, to me, it looked like, you know, it looked 56 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: like a bunch of the guys hadn't played in a while. 57 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: It looked like there was rust, and sure enough they hadn't. 58 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: I mean, you had nine guys that didn't play a 59 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: tournament for five weeks. And I understand, coming auth of fetics, 60 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: cut playoffs and all that, it's nice to have a 61 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: little bit of a break. You know. Roy mcilray and 62 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: John Rahm had the same schedule and yet they fit 63 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: in the Irish Open the BMW. Uh. It just it 64 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: really looked like it wasn't until Friday morning or afternoon 65 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: when the US side was actually really ready to play. 66 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: You know, Max Hoomer played fortinet, Brooks played. The week 67 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: before the Ryder Cup in Chicago, Justin Thomas played fortinet. 68 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,279 Speaker 2: You know, other than you know, book Brooks and Scotty's 69 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: kind of you know performance and that that uh four 70 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: ball session. You know, I think Brooks played okay, uh 71 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 2: mix Homa probably was the star of the US side. Uh, 72 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: he played great, and Justin Thomas played, you know, much 73 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: better than he was leading into it. So I think 74 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: maybe a little bit ill prepared. I think, you know, 75 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: you could say that that the cap I mean the 76 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: captain's picks did not have a good record. I think 77 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: it was four wins, twelve losses and a few times. 78 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: You know, when you have six captains picks, uh, those 79 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: guys have to perform. You know. You look at at Rory, 80 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 2: John Rahm, Victor Hobland, kind of the three stars for 81 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: the European side. Those guys, somebody, I think you told 82 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: me yesterday they won ten or ten and a half points. 83 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Rory goes Rory goes four to one, and oh, 84 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: John Rahm goes two, oh and two, and Vic goes 85 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: three to one and one. I did a preview of 86 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: the of the Ryder Cup last week and I said 87 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: that one of the things that I think the Europeans 88 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: historically Justin have done better in the last thirty years 89 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: in the US and the Ryder Cup is they're stars. 90 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: They get points and a lot of points from their superstars. Right, 91 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: so you've got Rory getting four points, You've got John 92 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: Rahm getting two points, you got big. They are the 93 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: three horses, they are the three studs on that team. 94 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: And Rory lost one match and Vic lost one match. 95 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: Otherwise their three superstars dominate and really really show up 96 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: for the Europeans that that seems to be a theme 97 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: just In over the last thirty years. The last time 98 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: the US won a rider Cup on foreign soil the 99 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: Belfry in ninety three. You were on the ninety seven 100 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: Ryder Cup team at Valderrama, Tiger's first one where Tom 101 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: Kite was the captain. Why do you think, Justin, and 102 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: then you've been on two winning Ryder Cup teams Brookline, 103 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: the Miracle at Brookline and then Valhalla when Zinger was 104 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: the captain in two thousand and eight. Why do you think, 105 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: having done it and watched it for thirty years, why 106 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: does it why are we struggling so much away from home? 107 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,799 Speaker 2: It's I think some of it, especially here the last 108 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 2: you know, twenty eighteen in Paris and then in Rome 109 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: last week. Being able to set up the golf course 110 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: is a huge advantage with all the data and analytics. 111 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: I mean it was a very similar setup I thought 112 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: to Paris. Narrow fairways, really deep, rough, the greens weren't 113 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 2: like icy, glassy fast, they were just good, and their 114 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: speed was around eleven on a step meter. They set 115 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: the golf course up, I think to kind of take 116 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: away the maybe the style of play that you see 117 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: more in the US these days, which is hit driver 118 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: down there as far as you can, because they don't 119 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: deal with a lot of you know, four and six 120 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: inch rough hit it down there as far as you get. 121 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: You know, if it's in the fairway, great, if it's 122 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 2: not in the fairway, that's okay too. All the data 123 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: suggests that, and I think that being able to set 124 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: up the golf course where you have to hit the 125 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: ball in the fairway, they you know, they also took 126 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: a lot of wedges out. There weren't a lot of 127 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: holes that were driver wedge or three wood wedge, the 128 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: short holes that would have been played that way. They've 129 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: moved the teas up even further to where now they're drivable. 130 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: And so I think that's another advantage of the US. 131 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: They're used to hitting so many wedges that being able 132 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: to control the golf course set it up the way 133 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: they want to now. I think, you know, in a 134 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: week or so leading up to it, the captains have 135 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: no more say in it. But leading up to that point, 136 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: and I'm sure you know Eduard and Molinari, who was 137 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: an assistant vice captain on the European side, he's very 138 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: much in the analytics. I think he was. He was 139 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: probably paramount and helping set up the golf course, analyzing 140 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: both teams and saying, here's our strengths, here's you know, 141 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: the American straints. Let's try and neutralize the other side 142 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: as much as possible. Conversely, when you come to the States, 143 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: you know, you look at the setup at Hazel Teine, 144 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: very little rough hit it down there as far as 145 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: you can, whistling straits, very little rough. You know, pound 146 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: it down there as much as you can, so having 147 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: that and then, like you said, it's the blueprint's been 148 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: there for the European side for a number of years. 149 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: Before Hovland and Rohm and McElroy, it was Poulter, it 150 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: was Westwood, it was Darren Clark. Before that, it was 151 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 2: Monty Sevy, you know, just on and on, Bernhard Langer. 152 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 2: So they've always had this really great, kind of top 153 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: heavy group. And then they're supporting players. You know, think 154 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: back to like a Jamie Donaldson or a Javid Gilford 155 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: or you know, this year, Bobby McIntyre and those things. 156 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: You know, those guys they raise the level of their 157 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: game to where it's not just the stars, those kind 158 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: of supporting pieces that may not be involved. Every year, 159 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: you know, they get a point and a half or 160 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: those kind of things. And that's really truly the difference. 161 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: Every time the US gets beat, whether it's in the 162 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: US or in Europe, there's always this kind of pick 163 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: everything apart, try and figure out what went wrong. And 164 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: one of the things that I think a lot of 165 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: people think is they say that it means more to 166 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: the Europeans than it does to the US. And I 167 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: don't necessarily agree, but it does seem like they have 168 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: this ability to raise their game in a way that 169 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: maybe the US team doesn't. And what I mean by 170 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: that is, I mean the running joke, and you've seen this. 171 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: If Sergio Garcia, if Tommy Fleet would, if some of 172 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: these players putt Victor Hovlin, if Vic Putt's the way 173 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: he putted last week, he should be winning majors every 174 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: single year. Right, if you look at the way a 175 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: guy like Sergio Garcia putted throughout his Ryder Cup career, 176 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: he should have more major championships than he does. And 177 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: we were all talking that it just seems like the Europeans, 178 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: for this one week, seemed to have raised their game 179 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: to a completely different level that a lot of these 180 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: players don't play on a regular basis. 181 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, look at Ian Poulter. I mean, you know, yeah, 182 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 2: he contended in some major championships and he won certainly 183 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: more on the European tour than he did US. But 184 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 2: I mean in the Ryder Cup, he turns into an 185 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 2: absolute beast. And then you know, Scotti Scheffler, number one 186 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: player in the world, has been in and around that 187 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: number for the last two years. You know, really struggles 188 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: and it's I can't tell you why that necessarily is. 189 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: I don't think the Ryder Cup necessarily means more to 190 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: the Europeans than it does to the US. I think that, 191 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: you know, every year, it's this this talk about, you know, 192 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 2: on paper, the US should win and all these things, 193 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 2: and it just it doesn't seem to happen that often. Now, 194 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: you know, you go back two years ago to Whistling 195 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: Straits and it was a pretty dominant performance and I 196 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 2: think that's kind of what we expected from that team 197 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: versus you know, maybe an overmatched European side. But and 198 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: you know, honestly, I thought that might carry forward for 199 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 2: the next or certainly for this year, and maybe going forward. 200 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden you realize when Luke 201 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: Donald was making it picks, man, that guy's a really 202 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 2: good player. Wow, that guy's a really good player. And 203 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: then you look at it and you say, Okay, Adrian 204 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: Moronc who was probably number thirteen, Okay, he's won three 205 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: times in the last twelve months, and he won the 206 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: Italian Open at Marcos Simoni last spring and he was 207 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 2: left off the team. So you know, that just shows 208 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 2: how deep the European side was much deeper than I'd expected. 209 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: And it's, you know, being that favorite. I don't think 210 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: you want to play in that favorite role. It's really hard. 211 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 2: And the Europeans have really embraced that underdog role of hey, 212 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: let's get out there and play free and we've got 213 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: nothing to lose kind of attitude, and I think the 214 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: US side needs to try and adopt that, to find 215 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: a way to like just let it go a little 216 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: bit more. 217 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: Having been on three of these, just what's it like? 218 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: I mean, how important is the captain in this? Because okay, 219 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: so you guys you go over in ninety seven Tom 220 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: Kites the captain, you guys lose. Then Crenshaw and Zinger 221 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: are kind of two of the captains. I mean, Zinger 222 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: especially was kind of the guy that kind of from 223 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: a US standpoint, kind of brought this idea of this 224 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: pod system right to where you're gonna get a group 225 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: of players within the twelve, you're gonna have your group, 226 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: they're gonna give you a vice captain, and I think 227 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: that's been really that was new, that was something that 228 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: hadn't really been done before. And then you've got you know, 229 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: Ben Crenshaw who's the ultimate old school kind of wake 230 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: up the echoes, kind of you know, iconic, you know 231 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: this wreck and tour kind of just a very soulful guy. 232 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 1: So from a captain standpoint, because obviously everyone's going to 233 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: look at Zach as a captain and say, okay, he 234 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: made a bunch of mistakes. When you've been on the 235 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: three Ryder Cups that you've been on, what's that like 236 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: as the player captain and how important is to is 237 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: the captain to you as a player on these teams? 238 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 2: Well, I mean three very different styles and personalities and captains. 239 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: You know, Tom Kite was very much by the book 240 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: dot all the eyes across all the t's. That being said, 241 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 2: you know, I had three different partners that week. I 242 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: played a match on Saturday afternoon with Tiger Woods. I 243 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 2: hadn't seen Tiger all week, didn't play a practice around 244 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 2: with them, all those things, so and we were down too, 245 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: So you kind of throw the cards up in the 246 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: air and say, well, I've got to change things up. 247 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: You know, Ben is very touchy feely. There wasn't a 248 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: lot of organization of that week either. The pairings were 249 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: a little bit random. And then Paul brought this kind 250 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: of organization and continuity to it where he tried to 251 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 2: take some of the the mystery out of it and 252 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: and really said, okay, here's here are the multiple here's 253 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: the chances of guys, you're gonna play with one of 254 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: these three players. And he couldn't tell you which match 255 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: and those things, but you know, and so within our pod, 256 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: like we are able to take some ownership to it 257 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: and and really get involved in the process. And I 258 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: think that's the thing that that captains have tried to 259 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: bring going forward, is there's so much going on for 260 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 2: the week. Uh, it's such a busy week that try 261 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: and take some of the doubt like who who am 262 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: I going to play with? Or when am I going 263 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 2: to play? And so I think that's something that that 264 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: these captains, you know, Jim Fearret, Davis lob Now, Zach Johnson, 265 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: have tried to emulate of Okay, let's try and bring 266 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: a little bit of organization to the chaos so that 267 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: guys understand, Okay, I'm likely going to play with these 268 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: two or three players, and so you can kind of 269 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: you know a little bit more ahead of time. Now 270 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: I understand, like you lose all four sessions on a 271 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: on a you know, Friday, you may have to mix 272 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: things up a little bit. But I think having some 273 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: sense of especially for the players maybe who haven't been 274 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: there before, Okay, this may not be your partner all week, 275 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: but you're gonna play with one of these two or 276 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: three players. I think that's kind of been the idea 277 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 2: going forward. But for whatever reason, it just didn't work 278 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: last week. 279 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: This thing was over on Friday morning, right, I mean 280 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: you go, oh, I mean yes, we have seen comebacks before. 281 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it happened in the Solheim Cup where the 282 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: just recently the European Soulheim Cup team. They lose the 283 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: first four matches and they went on to win, but 284 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: there was definitely a feeling that after the morning matches 285 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: going you know, throwing up the bagel for the US 286 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: getting no points, it definitely seemed like, I mean, Europe 287 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: was in the driver's seat, and it seemed like we 288 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: never really recovered from the start that we got off 289 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: to in the morning. When you look at those pairings 290 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: from that Friday morning, we've got see We've got Scheffler 291 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: and Burns, Homa and Brian Harmon, Ricky Fowler, Morikala Xander 292 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: and can't lay if you could go back and would 293 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: you send those out as a captain or would you say, Okay, 294 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: maybe we make some changes and maybe we play it differently. 295 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: Well, I think, you know, the one pairing in that 296 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 2: that I really kind of hesitate about is the first 297 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: one is Scheffler and Burns. Sam Burns, Yes, he won 298 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: the match played back in the spring, that was in April, 299 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 2: and he really hasn't played that well since. To put 300 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 2: him out in an alternate shot, I think I think 301 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: it was a risk. And but I mean the guys 302 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 2: just didn't play well. I mean the European side was up, 303 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: you know, two and three up through after five or 304 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 2: six holes, and I know those first couple of matches, 305 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: and and it just it was a blowout. And I'll 306 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 2: say that that the US had a chance Friday afternoon 307 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 2: to you know, if they go out and they get 308 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: three to one in the afternoon, I think they'd feel 309 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 2: pretty They would have felt pretty good about themselves going 310 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: into too Saturday morning. But losing the eighteenth hole the 311 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: way they did in a couple of those matches, I 312 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 2: think was it the afternoon it was European side one 313 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 2: one and then the other three were ties, so you know, 314 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 2: the US only getting a point and a half. They 315 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: needed three points in the afternoon. So really, to me, 316 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: it was Friday night it was like, okay, this, this 317 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 2: is kind of done. I mean it was what a 318 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 2: six point yeah, six point deficit at that. 319 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: Point, six and six and a half to one and 320 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: a half after the after Friday. 321 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 2: So five points, they're just there. Needed to be more 322 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 2: of a sense of urgency. I think on the US 323 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: side Friday afternoon to okay, let's chip away at this. 324 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: It's four points, get it to two points by Friday night, 325 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, I think you feel 326 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: pretty good going into Saturday morning. But it's just time. 327 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: And again it's the European side. They'd make a putt 328 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: whenever they got in trouble, they'd chip in those kind 329 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 2: of things, and there was nothing happening like that from 330 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 2: the US team. 331 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, the US were down. They were down five points 332 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: after on Friday night, they were down five points on 333 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: Saturday night, and they lose by five points on Sunday night. 334 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: Why do you think our record in alternate shot? I'm American, 335 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: I call it alternate shot. 336 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah. 337 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: It's alternate shots. For me, it's best ball, alternate shot, 338 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: foursome's four ball. I can't figure any of that out. 339 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm not smart enough. But why do you think the 340 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: US struggled so much in the alternate shot format and 341 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: the Europeans have just flourished historically in that system. And 342 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: then we always play good in the singles, We always 343 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: tend to play good when it's best ball, but in 344 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: the alternate shot over the last thirty years, we just 345 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: get run out of the building. By the way the 346 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: Europeans play alternate shot. 347 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 2: It's I wonder what's happening in practice rounds. I mean, yes, 348 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: I'm over there, but I've got to do my work 349 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 2: on the golf course and things like that. I watched 350 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: the guys play a little bit on Thursday. I caught 351 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: a few holes of each group with the Americans, and they. 352 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: Were, yeah, we saw yeah, we ran into you on 353 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: on sixteen. 354 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: You know, are they playing some ultnate shot in the 355 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 2: practice rounds? You know, I think they're so busy trying 356 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 2: to get their game ready, especially for the you know, 357 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: the nine guys who hadn't played in five weeks to 358 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 2: sit there and only hit half the shots is. You know, 359 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: they feel like, well, I'm not really able to get 360 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: my game ready. So you know how much of that 361 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 2: is happening, I don't know, And I don't know how 362 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: much it's happening on the European side. I think the 363 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: golf course setup has a lot to do with it. 364 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 2: Just you know, an alternate shot, you have to be 365 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: hitting fairways. Certainly on a place like Marcus Simoni with 366 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: rough is deep as it was, you just you have 367 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 2: to be playing from the fairways. And for the US side, 368 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 2: that's never been a real priority because of the way 369 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 2: the golf courses are set up and maintained weekend week out. 370 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: On the PGA Tour. 371 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: I was doing I did some commentary for Sky and 372 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: I was doing I was in one of the sessions 373 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: with Andrew Coltart and Rich Beam. And Andrew was saying 374 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: off camera it was Friday morning. He was like, they're 375 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: professional golfers. I know, they don't play this type of 376 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: golf all the time. And he was saying the same 377 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: thing that you were saying. It just seemed like in 378 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: the alternate shot, the Americans were struggling to get the 379 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: ball in play. On Sunday, I went out and followed 380 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: Brooks and walked around his match. And one of the 381 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: things I said to Brooks before he went out with 382 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: against lud big Alberg Goes said, listen, just don't give 383 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: him any holes. Make him beat you with either a 384 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: birdie or a part, but don't get out of the holes. 385 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: And on Sunday, in the singles match, Justin Brooks played 386 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: so much more conservative than he did in the other 387 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: two matches he played. I mean he was hitting some 388 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: driving irons off with some te's. He was hitting a 389 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: lot of three woods off of some teams. That wasn't 390 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: what he did in best ball and alternate shot. And 391 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: he did it in the singles and he won easily, right, 392 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he cruised, He didn't have any problems. He 393 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: looked totally in control. Is it hard than as a 394 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: player justin to adapt on the fly when the golf 395 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: course kind of demands that you do that? And I 396 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: know the mindset right because I'm walking all the practice 397 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: rounds with all of these guys, and I'll be honest 398 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: with you, in the three practice rounds that I walked, 399 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: most of the guys are just hitting the US guys. 400 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: They're hitting driver everywhere on a golf course, as you said, 401 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: very similar to the setup at Golf Nationale in Paris 402 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: that set up in Rome last week. Maybe didn't necessarily 403 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: set up for hitting driver all the time, because it 404 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: seemed like if you're watching TV, I just kept seeing 405 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: an American with a seven footer for a half for 406 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: parr ye know, an eight footer for the half, a 407 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: ten footer for the half for par right. So that 408 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: means you're out of the hole and you're up against 409 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: it before you get to the green, right. 410 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 2: I mean, look at the first hole, I mean the 411 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 2: and I think both teams were hitting drivers there, but 412 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: you know it was it was set up for something 413 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 2: right to left, which not many the guys really play 414 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 2: that often off the tee hit a three wood, put 415 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 2: the ball in play. I mean all three of the 416 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 2: first three pairings in the US all hit it in 417 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: the right rough. Now you've got a tree over there, 418 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 2: that's an issue. You can't get to the green because 419 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: the rough's so deep. You know. I think they're just 420 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 2: so used to playing a certain way of pushing the 421 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: ball down there as far as you can that. Yeah, 422 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 2: it's like the struggle to adapt and finally like you said, Brooks, 423 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 2: you know said, look, thanks to you, I'm going to 424 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 2: get it the ball in the fairway, whatever that takes. 425 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 2: And even if i'm hitting a you know, a seven 426 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: iron versus you know, your opponent's hitting a nine er 427 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: a wedge, at least you're in the hole. It better 428 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 2: that than hacking a sandwich out fifty yards short of 429 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 2: the green and trying to get it up and down. 430 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: So again, I think a lot of that just goes 431 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 2: back to, you know, they're used to playing a certain 432 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 2: style of golf and not making those adjustments to say, hey, 433 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: look maybe I'm not as sharp as I think I am. 434 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 2: I need to just find a way to get the 435 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 2: ball and play and get it on the green. Like 436 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: you said, so I'm not putting from ten feet for 437 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: par because it didn't seem like many of those putts 438 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 2: were going in. I was surprised also at how many 439 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 2: putts were really poorly misread. Both teams had the pin 440 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 2: sheets all five rounds or all five matches. They didn't 441 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 2: know necessarily what day they were going to be the 442 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 2: but and you know, when I was following, they were 443 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 2: putting teas or rubber cups down to you know putt 444 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 2: to certain holes, but man, there's just a lot of 445 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 2: misreads putts from fifteen and twenty feet that were missed 446 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: by a foot. You just don't see that very often. 447 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 2: And so I was really taken back by that that that, 448 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 2: you know, the guys, they just didn't seem prepared at 449 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 2: all to come in and play. I mean, you know, 450 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: would you ever if Brooks came to you and said, hey, 451 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: ch I'm gonna get ready for the Masters, I'm going 452 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: to take five weeks off, uh and just make sure 453 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 2: that I'm rested. I think you would. You would talk 454 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 2: them out of that immediately. 455 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: And that doesn't that, I mean, nobody does that. 456 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 2: That's not a recipe for success. I understand taking a 457 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 2: week or two off before, but you've got to get 458 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 2: engaged in something. And that's where like reading putts, you 459 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 2: don't reading You're not reading putts when you're at home 460 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 2: playing your you know, your home golf course or something 461 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 2: like that, or even during a practice round, you're not 462 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: sitting there grinding over and reading putts. That's why it's 463 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: important to play tournament golf so that you really understand 464 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: where your game is. You're going through that whole process, 465 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: and you know, I think that's certainly what was lacking. 466 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: So the obvious question justin is, you know, where does 467 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: the US team go from here? I mean, after what 468 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: happened with Tom Watson and Phil Michlson at Glenn Eagles 469 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: in fourteen, there was a task force and you and 470 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: I were talking yesterday that you felt like in the 471 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: last ten years some things have gotten better with the 472 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: US setup. But what are the things coming out of 473 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: another pretty significant and beat down in twenty twenty three. 474 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 1: Where does the US team go from here? And what 475 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: do you think they need to do for the next 476 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: matches at bet the Page Black to not just rely 477 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: on the fact that the US is more dominant at 478 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: home than they are away. What do you think needs 479 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,479 Speaker 1: to happen and where do you think this is going 480 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: to end up? 481 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 2: Well? I think there have been some positive changes in 482 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 2: giving the players more of a say, there's more continuity 483 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: from year to year for captains, and seems like now 484 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 2: the President's Cup has kind of become a part of that. 485 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: But what are the next captains? I mean, Phil Michelson 486 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 2: was certainly going to be a captain. I doubt that's 487 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 2: going to happen you know, Tiger is obviously going to 488 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: be a captain, and he wasn't in Rome, but I 489 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: think he would have been, you know, had it not 490 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 2: you know, having his surgeries and things like that. And 491 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 2: I'm sure that he was involved to some extent. But 492 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 2: I think the players have almost had too much power 493 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 2: when it comes to putting the team together. Six picks 494 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: is a lot of picks. I understand, you know, I 495 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: think seven eight nine, we're all chosen. But that's and 496 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 2: I think that the players had a lot of say 497 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 2: in who was picked. I think that you know, maybe 498 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 2: a captain like Tiger is going to say, you know what, 499 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 2: I appreciate that, but I'm going to go this direction. 500 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: I think, you know, and look, all those guys in 501 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: the team room, they're all very good friends of mine. 502 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: They've all been doing it for a long time, and 503 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 2: they've put a lot of effort and time into the 504 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 2: Ryder Cup and the US team. But I think it's 505 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 2: time to, you know, maybe bring try and usher in 506 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 2: some new guys that you think are going to be 507 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: captains down the road, and bring some different personalities into 508 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 2: that room that you know, I mean, a guy like Tiger, 509 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: he's going to stand up for what he thinks and 510 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 2: not necessarily listen to you know what one of the players, 511 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 2: you know, their ideas are thinking. So I think all 512 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 2: that's taken into consideration, but I think the players almost 513 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: have too much power in this day and age. 514 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you saw Justin Rose. You know, they 515 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: paired in They paired Justin Rose with probably on paper 516 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: the weakest player for the European side, and Bob McIntyre, 517 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: and he goes two to zero to one. He gets 518 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: two and a half points. 519 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 2: Right. 520 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: He was a guy that I think a lot of 521 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 1: players thought was a guy that would struggle. And in 522 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: the press conference afterward, Justin Rose said, listen, the Ryder 523 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: Cup isn't about playing with your friends and playing with 524 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: people that you're comfortable with. The Ryder Cup is about 525 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: playing for your country. So to be a good Rider 526 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: Cup captain in euro opinion, the criteria I think is changing, 527 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: right because historically the only way you could be a 528 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: Ryder Cup captain for the US is you had to 529 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: be a major champion. And I always thought it was 530 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: really interesting that we tended to put so much focus 531 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: on you had to be a major champion to be 532 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: a Ryder Cup captain. The Europeans never had that right. Yes, 533 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: Seve had won a major, Yes Bernhard Longer had won 534 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: a major, but Monty never won a major. He was 535 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: a great captain. Nick Faldo won a boatload of majors, 536 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: he wasn't a great captain. Paul McGinley never came close 537 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: to winning a major champion, he to me was an 538 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: amazing captain. In your opinion, justin what do you feel 539 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: like you need and let's just make it specific to 540 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: the American to be a good American captain, What do 541 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: you think are the traits and characteristics that you need 542 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: to have. 543 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 2: I think A you need to be willing to listen 544 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 2: to vice captains and to players to a certain extent. 545 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: And Ben, you also have to be able to not 546 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: be afraid to bend or hurt somebody's feelings. And I'm 547 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: not talking about like calling them to say you're not 548 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 2: on the team, but saying you know what, I appreciate 549 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 2: your input. But as I just said, like, but we're 550 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 2: going to go in this direction because I have a 551 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: vision for this and this is what we're going to do. 552 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 2: And that's it. Nothing more needs to be said. I 553 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 2: think it's that way when it comes to making the 554 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 2: captain's picks. I think it comes that way when it's 555 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: when you're making pairings. Just because a team has worked 556 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 2: very well in the past does not mean that in 557 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 2: that give and week that's the right team or they're 558 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 2: the right teammates for each other. You know, there's some diplomacy, 559 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 2: but there's also needs to be a bit of an 560 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 2: ego where it's like, well, okay, but this is what 561 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 2: we're going to do and that's it and nothing more 562 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 2: needs to be said. That's why I think Tiger is 563 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 2: going to be such a great captain when he decides 564 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 2: to do it. He's got the respect of the players enough, 565 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 2: and I think all the players have respected captain. But 566 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 2: to say, you know what, that's fine. I appreciate your thought, 567 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 2: but this is the direction we're going to go in. 568 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: And I think there's guys like you know, Brent Snedeker. 569 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: I think he needs to be brought into the mix 570 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 2: because I think he's that kind of guy as well. 571 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: And but yeah, what like we need to start identifying 572 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 2: these next captains down the road. And you know Stuart 573 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 2: sink was there, Does that mean he's a future captain? 574 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 2: He's certainly worthy of it with his you know, resume 575 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 2: and all that. You know, but then again, Matt Kucher 576 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 2: was an Assistan at eighteen. He wasn't involved in this. So, 577 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 2: you know, I think it's starting to prepare those next captains. 578 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: And I think, you know, if there seems to be 579 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 2: a little bit of a some symmetry between the President's 580 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: Cup and the Ryder Cup, like the Presence Cup is 581 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 2: a great place to bring that new captain in and 582 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 2: get him around some of the guys that's in that room, 583 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: whether it's you know, Burick or Striccer, those kind of things, 584 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: and kind of have them experience what that process is 585 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 2: like and so that the things that have worked well 586 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 2: since twenty fourteen they can continue. But it doesn't mean like, Okay, 587 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 2: this is how we have to do it. It's not. Yeah, 588 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 2: it's been better at home, but it's not working on 589 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: the road. You know, you can always try and bring 590 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: new things into the mix, and I think a lot 591 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 2: of that just starts with peoples and the captains and 592 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 2: even the vice captains and their personalities. 593 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: Do you think justin that we sent our best team, 594 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: do you think that those were the twelve best players 595 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: to win that Ryder Cup. 596 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 2: No, I don't. I think the fact that Kegan Bradley 597 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 2: wasn't there and Lucas Glover weren't there tells you that 598 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 2: it wasn't the twelve best players, best Americans. I think 599 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 2: a lot of it was okay pairings and then you know, 600 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 2: I think a lot of it was okay, who do 601 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 2: the guys want to be around for the week. And No, 602 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 2: I think the fact that those two are left off 603 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 2: the list just shows you how much control, you know, 604 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 2: the automatic qualifiers had in the room. 605 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you look at that golf course, 606 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: and again I think you're correct, it had a very 607 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: similar feel to Golf Nationale in Paris, the way that 608 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: the Europeans set the golf course up. You would think, 609 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: with the fact that we weren't, the US team didn't 610 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: seem to drive the ball as well. A guy like 611 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: Lucas Glover, who's one of the best drivers of golf 612 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: ball on the planet, who hits the golf ball as 613 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: straight as possible, you would think he would be a 614 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: great partner in alternate shot to where you know he's 615 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: not going to miss the fairway, right. 616 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's you know, that's pretty obvious. And 617 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 2: then just the passion that Kegan Bradley has and how 618 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 2: much he wants it. He's you know, you might say, 619 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 2: well it's almost too much for him, but man, it 620 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 2: certainly wasn't Madona, how well he played with Phil and 621 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: so yeah, I think those are the two obvious ones 622 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 2: to my mind. You know, again, I'm not in the 623 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: team room. I don't know exactly what's going on, but 624 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 2: from the outside looking in, no, I don't think we 625 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 2: had the best team we could have put on the 626 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 2: golf course. 627 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: You mentioned analytics. Nico Deris, who's part of John Rahm's 628 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: performance team, who I've had on the podcast before. I 629 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: was with him yesterday. He was showing me some messages 630 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: between himself and Edwardo Molinari from three four months ago. 631 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: From what I saw yesterday, John ram knew who he 632 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: was going to play with in every session months ago 633 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: and everything was about what that player did. I looked 634 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: at text messages yesterday between Eduardo and Nico and it 635 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: was fascinating. But these are from before the summer. This 636 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: was in May, when they had an idea of who 637 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: they were going to get on the team. This between 638 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: data analytics and stats and real world kind of playing golf. 639 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: How do you think moving forward we balance that in 640 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,959 Speaker 1: this team environment, because I mean I've seen a bunch 641 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: of the Euro's analytics. I've talked to a lot of 642 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: them about the process, and it seemed very different than 643 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: what the US was doing. I mean, it really did. 644 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: It seemed a lot more cohesive. It seemed a lot 645 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: more thought out, and I think it seemed to me 646 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: just a lot more explained to the players on the 647 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: European side. So there was a buy in for the 648 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: data as opposed to just here's a bunch of data. 649 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: You're going out with that guy because that's what the 650 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: stats say. That's very different than if the people telling 651 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: you what the data is saying, Okay, this is why 652 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: this is going to work, right. 653 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 2: You know, I think the US side relies a lot 654 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 2: on data as well. And you know, when when all 655 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 2: goes well, you just stick absolutely with the data and 656 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 2: you know, you keep writing it out, and you know, 657 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 2: when you show up and you win the first session 658 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 2: for zero man, you just stay right in your rhythm 659 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 2: and what you're doing and all that. What the data 660 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 2: doesn't show is like, Okay, you might have somebody who's 661 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 2: who's had certain performance characteristics over the course of a 662 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 2: year or two, and they show up a week and 663 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know, they're not driving the 664 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 2: ball well, or they're not putting well or those things. 665 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 2: And then like all of a sudden, the data like it, 666 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 2: it steered you in a direction that maybe you know 667 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 2: you can't go because somebody's just not playing well or 668 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 2: they're not you know, they're struggling at the time in 669 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 2: certain aspects of their games. So I know the US 670 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 2: relies heavily on data as well, but when all of 671 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 2: a sudden you show up and you throw up a 672 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 2: goose egg in the first session, you know, sometimes you 673 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 2: have to You've got to pivot and you go, Okay, 674 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 2: well this isn't working. We've got to go other directions 675 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 2: and those things. So again, I you know, I think 676 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 2: back to the Oakland A's and to me that was 677 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 2: kind of really the first really driven data driven team 678 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 2: aspect in sports. And you know, yes, it got to 679 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 2: them to a certain point, but in the end, you 680 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 2: also have to have a little bit of a feel 681 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 2: for the game and understand, Okay, I know that data 682 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 2: may say this, but I need to go in this 683 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 2: direction a little bit. So again I'm not in those rooms. 684 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,879 Speaker 2: I you know, when everything is going well, I think 685 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 2: that you just stick with the data. I think, you know, 686 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 2: obviously for the US side, probably got thrown some curveballs 687 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,919 Speaker 2: and say, okay, we need to change things up here, 688 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 2: because you know this players really performing up to their 689 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 2: you know what the data says and those kind of things. 690 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: The performance from John Rom, Rory McElroy, Victor Hovlin, and 691 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: Tommy Fleetwood, it was it was something. I mean, the 692 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: golf that that Rory and John Rahm are able to 693 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: just almost kind of will I mean, it does look 694 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: like that to me that you just know Rory is 695 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,360 Speaker 1: going to go out and get it done, you just 696 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: know John Rahm is going to go out and get 697 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 1: it done. Just where do you think that comes from? 698 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,479 Speaker 1: Because I mean I watched it up close last week, 699 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: and you watched the performance of Rory, you watch the 700 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: performance of John Rahm. I mean they looked last week 701 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: like men amongst boys with the way they were playing 702 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:49,919 Speaker 1: the game. 703 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, Rory has had a couple 704 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 2: of disappointing Ryder Cups. He didn't play great in France. 705 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 2: He really struggled at Whistling Straits, and you know, I 706 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 2: remember the emotional interview after singles match and how he 707 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,919 Speaker 2: broke down because he felt like he let the team down. 708 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,240 Speaker 2: I think for Rory, I think John Ram and Victor 709 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 2: Hoblin helped Rory because he doesn't feel like he has 710 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 2: to carry the team on his shoulders. He doesn't feel like, 711 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,760 Speaker 2: you know, however he goes is how the European side 712 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 2: is going to go. He knows he's got a couple 713 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 2: guys there that, you know, any given day could beat 714 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 2: Rory McElroy and so having that kind of support, and 715 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 2: by the way, they're all in the top four in 716 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 2: the world, I think that's freeing for Rory. And I 717 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 2: think also the expectations go down a little bit for 718 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 2: him from the outside because he does have John Rom, 719 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 2: he does have Victor Hoblin and and it'll be fascinating 720 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,280 Speaker 2: to see at Bethpage. You know, if those three guys 721 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 2: are able, if they're able to perform like that at Bethpage, 722 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. Does the US even have a chance. 723 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,720 Speaker 2: I would say they do, But like we've talked about, 724 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 2: it is harder to play on the road because of 725 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 2: the fans because of the golf course and all those things. 726 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 2: But I was you know, I think Rory was really 727 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 2: upset by his play in the last two Ryder Cups, 728 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 2: and I think he found a way to find a 729 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 2: sense of freedom knowing that he's got a great supporting cast. 730 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 2: And you know, and just so, I mean, Victor Howland 731 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 2: obviously played well. He won the FedEx Cup. You know, 732 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 2: those guys all played well. I think they had seven 733 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 2: players finished in the top ten. It wentworth at the BMWPGA, 734 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 2: which by the way is essentially the players Championship for 735 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 2: the DP World Tour, so it's a huge event. You know, 736 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 2: all of those things. I think, you know, that just 737 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 2: created this wave of confidence for the European side. And 738 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 2: you know, every all three of those guys played great. 739 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 2: And you know, like you said, Justin Rose stepping up, 740 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 2: Tommy Fleetwood obviously just. 741 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,760 Speaker 1: Errol Hatton goes undefeated, I mean, go wins three points. 742 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: Terroll Hatton won three and a half points. That guy 743 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,839 Speaker 1: is an absolute bulldog. I mean it's easy to look 744 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: at Terrell Hatton and look at his persona and you know, 745 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: you laugh at all the things that he does and 746 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: how bad he can sometimes act on the golf course, 747 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: which I love. I mean, I'm a huge tear off. 748 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: I mean I think it's hilarious. But I said to 749 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,839 Speaker 1: him walking into the we were walking into the team 750 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,839 Speaker 1: hotel on Saturday night, and I just said to him, 751 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: I said, man, it it is fun to watch you 752 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 1: play golf. That guy. I don't think Terroll Hatton gets 753 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,240 Speaker 1: enough credit for the type of player he is, because 754 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: he that kid is legit. 755 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. And you know it's so funny. You think 756 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 2: of like, Okay, he with his you know, combustible attitude 757 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 2: and John Rahm, who was also very you know, uh combustible. 758 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 2: You know, those two playing together like they didn't have 759 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 2: a lot to complain about really because they played so well. 760 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 2: You know, does that work in front of a New 761 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 2: York crowd. I don't know, if they play the way 762 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 2: they did, it might, but you know, those two just 763 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 2: they played great together. And you know, John said, it's 764 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 2: not just their attitudes, it's their outlook on the game 765 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,879 Speaker 2: that's very similar, you know, even there, I mean down, 766 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 2: I'm sure they probably shared you know, beard conditioners which 767 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 2: with each other. I mean, they were just so in 768 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,359 Speaker 2: sync all week long and it was. It was really 769 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:43,399 Speaker 2: fun to watch those two. 770 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,839 Speaker 1: How good do you think Victor Hovlin can be now 771 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 1: that he's done a lot of work with Joe Mayo. 772 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,879 Speaker 1: The short game which was a absolute, complete and utter 773 00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: liability before. I mean, his short game was heired to 774 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: the rest of his game was the short game of 775 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,799 Speaker 1: a fifteen handicap relative to everybody else, and you know, 776 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,239 Speaker 1: it was bad. And he has turned that into a strength. 777 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: His attitude. He's always got a smile on his face. 778 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 1: He has really become a fan favorite. But I just 779 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 1: continue to be so impressed justin with his game. And 780 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: I was saying to his caddie on Sunday morning, Shay Knight, 781 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 1: if you look at vic his iron shots, look at 782 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: how many when you watch Victor Hoblin play, how many 783 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: of his iron shots are past the hole? Three, four, 784 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: five steps past the hole? Which means, you know, Tiger 785 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: was the greatest because everything just finished pin high. Vic's 786 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,879 Speaker 1: actually going past pin high and then rolling it back 787 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 1: to four feet And I just I don't see that 788 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: really right now. What weaknesses does a guy like Victor 789 00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 1: Hoblin have it? 790 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 2: He doesn't have any now, And like you said, I 791 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 2: mean he admitted. A couple of years ago, he was 792 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 2: quoted in a TV interview and say, I just suck 793 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 2: at chipping. And now, like I was watching him hit 794 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 2: these like spinny kind of flop shots right of the 795 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 2: ninth green the par five. Penn was in the back 796 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 2: part of the green, landing these things on a downslope, 797 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 2: and I was watching him hit this shot up in 798 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,800 Speaker 2: the air off a very tight past palum lie putting 799 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 2: spin on it, and I thought, Okay, this is like 800 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 2: this is night and day difference, and that's the difference. 801 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,399 Speaker 2: You know, Victor Hoblin, I think, with this short game 802 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,360 Speaker 2: was a you know, around maybe tenth best player in 803 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 2: the world because he hit it so good. A pretty 804 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,879 Speaker 2: good putter, not a great putter, but now that he 805 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 2: can chip the ball, he has no weaknesses and I 806 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 2: think he's he's gonna be number one player in the 807 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 2: world in the next year or so. He's got that 808 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,359 Speaker 2: kind of game, he's got that confidence now because he's 809 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 2: done this stuff on such a huge stage between the 810 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 2: FedEx Cup and the Ryder Cup, you know, there's no 811 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 2: limit to how good he can be. 812 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 1: We've talked about Zach Johnson, and you know, the fact 813 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 1: that the US didn't get it done. Luke Donald, captain 814 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: for the European side, give me a gauge on what 815 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 1: you feel like was part of the formula that he 816 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: got right. 817 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,359 Speaker 2: I don't know that there's anything he didn't get right 818 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 2: from his picks. I mean, yeah, you thought, wow, he's 819 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 2: left Adrian moronc Like, how do you do that? Well, 820 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 2: you can't second guess that now. I mean, I think 821 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 2: Adrian MORONK would have done fine and all that, but 822 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 2: these twelve players he had in the room completely bought 823 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 2: into what he was doing. He's done. They've done a 824 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,319 Speaker 2: nice job. I mean you look at at you know, 825 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 2: live and how it you know whether the DP World 826 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 2: Tour decides to bring some of those guys back into 827 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,359 Speaker 2: the mix. But they lost their next four or five 828 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 2: captains between you know, Ian Poulter, Henrik Stenson who was 829 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:24,279 Speaker 2: the Ryder Cup captain, Lee Westwood, Sergio like those are 830 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 2: their next captains. So who have they brought into the 831 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:33,959 Speaker 2: room now? You know, Francisco Mollinari, Eduardo mollinariuh, Nicholas Colesarts, 832 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 2: I mean you know Thomas Bjorn, you know from a 833 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 2: couple of years ago and France was, you know, was 834 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,959 Speaker 2: there to kind of help bridge that. But they've got 835 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 2: to identify these new captains. I wouldn't be surprised at 836 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 2: all if I'm sure they're going to try and get 837 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 2: Luke to do it again in in at Beth page. 838 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 2: Whether he wants to do it or not is the 839 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 2: real key. And and you know, being an away captain 840 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,399 Speaker 2: there's not quite as many responsibilities and duties. It look, 841 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,320 Speaker 2: it's still a full time job. But I think I 842 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,920 Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if Luke says yes, because it seemed 843 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 2: like how much he enjoyed the experience. He talked about 844 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:17,319 Speaker 2: this being really the panicle of his career. You know, 845 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,759 Speaker 2: I would I'm sure they're going to try and talk 846 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 2: him into it. It'll be interesting to see whether he 847 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,359 Speaker 2: decides to do it or not, or if he just 848 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 2: wants to, you know, take his playbook and hand it 849 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:28,720 Speaker 2: off to the next person. 850 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,880 Speaker 1: You talked about the vice captain said, he's got right. 851 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you've got Ola Thabol as a vice 852 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 1: captain because he's kind of the og next to seventy. 853 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 1: He is kind of their spirit animal, right. Jose kind 854 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 1: of embodies everything that Europe is as a Wryter Cup entity. 855 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:54,839 Speaker 1: The spirit, the passion, the joy, the camaraderie. I mean 856 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,919 Speaker 1: to me, when I see Jose, you see that part 857 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 1: of his career more than you see him as a 858 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 1: two time Masters champion, right, you see the Ryder Cup 859 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 1: as his kind of identity because he was so great 860 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,920 Speaker 1: in that. Thomas Bjorn had a great Ryder Cup record 861 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,440 Speaker 1: as a player. He won as a captain in Paris. 862 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: But there's guys in that backroom staff that aren't necessarily 863 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: superstars like the guys on the US side. From a 864 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 1: backroom staff, Yes, Francesco Molinari won a major champion championship, 865 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,240 Speaker 1: but you've got Eduardo. You've got a guy like Nicholas 866 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 1: Coastcartz who you wouldn't think would be vice captain's pick. 867 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,960 Speaker 1: Do you think there's something in that in that you're 868 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,759 Speaker 1: picking guys that aren't necessarily rock stars, right, They're not 869 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:48,080 Speaker 1: necessarily guys that you know by one by their first name, right. 870 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the Ryder Cup captain, 871 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,920 Speaker 1: I mean we've got three of them. I mean we've 872 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,080 Speaker 1: got Freddie, We've got Davis. Right, you know them by 873 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,520 Speaker 1: first names because of everything they've done. Do you think 874 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: there's some anonymity in the captain the vice captain choices 875 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,799 Speaker 1: that the Europeans choose, which actually helps them because it 876 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,799 Speaker 1: seems less about their persona and it's just more about 877 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:12,640 Speaker 1: them as a person. 878 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 2: I do I think there. You know, you mentioned earlier 879 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,400 Speaker 2: Paul McGinley. There were probably people in the US that 880 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,839 Speaker 2: had never heard of Paul mcginnley. Now he had a 881 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,719 Speaker 2: really nice career, but captain the Ryder Cup team was 882 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 2: the pinnacle of his career. You know. I think that 883 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:39,760 Speaker 2: because the US dominated major championships for so long, the US, 884 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,520 Speaker 2: and you know, and then you had Ernie Els and 885 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 2: you had VJ and Ratief Goosen and and you know, 886 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,279 Speaker 2: guys from Australia. But but there was a bit of 887 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,560 Speaker 2: a drought on the European side when it came to 888 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,400 Speaker 2: major championships, and so it seemed like those Ryder Cup captains, 889 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,799 Speaker 2: you know, and thinking to McGinley and Thomas Bijorn, like 890 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 2: they maybe didn't have the resume as an end of 891 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,800 Speaker 2: visual that we kind of seek out in the US 892 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,280 Speaker 2: for our Ryder Cup captains, or we kind of expect 893 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,400 Speaker 2: from our captains. But what you accomplished individually has nothing 894 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 2: to do with what kind of leader you're going to 895 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 2: be in the team room, what kind of you know, 896 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,480 Speaker 2: the example that you're going to set the You know, 897 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,919 Speaker 2: those two have very little in common. So you don't 898 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,080 Speaker 2: have to be a three or four time major champion 899 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 2: to be a great captain. The two don't really have 900 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,319 Speaker 2: anything to do with each other. What you need to 901 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,839 Speaker 2: have is is the respect of the players so that 902 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,040 Speaker 2: they will buy into what you're trying to do. You 903 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,920 Speaker 2: have to have be willing to listen to the players 904 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,560 Speaker 2: and their thoughts and you know, the analytics and all 905 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,840 Speaker 2: that that team, but then have the confidence or ego 906 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,080 Speaker 2: if you will, to say, you know what, this is 907 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,839 Speaker 2: what I'm going to do. I've taken all that in, 908 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 2: this is my plan and then and it's not questions, 909 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 2: then guys buy into it. And that's not always the 910 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:10,000 Speaker 2: easiest balance to strike. I think that you know, there's 911 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,319 Speaker 2: a lot of respect for Luke Donald in the world 912 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,160 Speaker 2: of golf, and certainly by you know him as a player. 913 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,359 Speaker 2: He never won a major, but he reached number one 914 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,160 Speaker 2: in the world, and he reached number one in the world. 915 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,319 Speaker 2: He wasn't a great driver of the golf ball, exceptional 916 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,640 Speaker 2: iron player, unbelievable pottering around the greens. Okay, so you 917 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 2: could say that this guy he's got a lot of heart. 918 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,440 Speaker 2: Maybe because you know, you know him being from England everything, 919 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,200 Speaker 2: you don't necessarily always see the personality. He's a bit 920 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,520 Speaker 2: more reserved, but you know that he's got a lot 921 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,520 Speaker 2: of heart by his playing career. So you know, like, 922 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,279 Speaker 2: where's that heart. From the American side, we know Zach 923 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,520 Speaker 2: Johnson's got heart. He's almost a similar player to Luke Donald. 924 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,160 Speaker 2: Not the longest, but you know, finds a way to 925 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,080 Speaker 2: get things done, you know. And he's won a Master's 926 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,839 Speaker 2: in an open championship. He certainly has the resume for it. 927 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,520 Speaker 2: But is that resume always the most important thing? I 928 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,440 Speaker 2: don't think so. 929 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:13,279 Speaker 1: So the obvious question, then, Justin, is if you have 930 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,920 Speaker 1: you been asked to be in the Ryder Cup setup? 931 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,200 Speaker 1: Because I think that given the way that you think, 932 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,920 Speaker 1: given the way that you kind of live your life, 933 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,759 Speaker 1: to me, I think you'd be an amazing captain As 934 00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,480 Speaker 1: a writer, Cub, would you do it? Have you ever 935 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:29,120 Speaker 1: been approached? 936 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,080 Speaker 2: I would do it. I was, you know when that 937 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,480 Speaker 2: task force was formed, and I wasn't in that room. 938 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,840 Speaker 2: To me, I thought the writing was on the wall. 939 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,200 Speaker 2: I was asked to be an assistant a few years ago. 940 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 2: I didn't feel like it was the right time for 941 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,320 Speaker 2: me to really put in the time that I felt 942 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,480 Speaker 2: to do that. It was at a critical point in 943 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,719 Speaker 2: a season where I hadn't played that well, and I 944 00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,239 Speaker 2: just I didn't think that was my end to a 945 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:05,759 Speaker 2: possible captaincy, so I declined the offer. Maybe it was, 946 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,680 Speaker 2: Maybe it was, And I don't know, but I can 947 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,560 Speaker 2: tell you sitting here, you know, at fifty one and 948 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,719 Speaker 2: playing on the PGATUR champions as val was approached at 949 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,680 Speaker 2: this point to do it, I would absolutely be involved. 950 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 2: But I again, I may have missed my window a 951 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:20,919 Speaker 2: few years ago. 952 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's strange that there's windows right that. Okay, 953 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,800 Speaker 1: I missed my window, and now because I missed that window, 954 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,200 Speaker 1: I can't be considered again. I mean, to me, that 955 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,359 Speaker 1: just doesn't make any sense. Right. You've got to look 956 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,440 Speaker 1: at people that you know, it can't just be the 957 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,040 Speaker 1: same as you said. It just can't be the same people, right. 958 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,200 Speaker 1: There has to be some ability, I think on the 959 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:51,839 Speaker 1: US side, to somewhat pivot and go, Okay, we thought 960 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,279 Speaker 1: we were going to go in this direction. We just 961 00:54:54,320 --> 00:55:00,040 Speaker 1: got smoked by five points again on European soil. You 962 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,480 Speaker 1: got to try something different, right, because something's got to change. 963 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,319 Speaker 2: I agree. I mean it's you know, historic, like you said, 964 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,480 Speaker 2: it was a to be the US captain, you need 965 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,680 Speaker 2: to be a major winner, and there's always somebody between 966 00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,880 Speaker 2: like forty five and fifty years old and you know, 967 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,080 Speaker 2: so you could kind of identify the next captain's But 968 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,480 Speaker 2: I don't think that's that's necessary now. I think, you know, 969 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,680 Speaker 2: you wouldn't want to go too far away from uh, 970 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,759 Speaker 2: you know, to get enough separation where you know the 971 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,920 Speaker 2: captain maybe not know the players as well. But you know, 972 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,759 Speaker 2: Davis was a captain. You know, he was captain twice obviously, 973 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,359 Speaker 2: and in the second time he was pretty well into 974 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,120 Speaker 2: his fifties, So I don't I think that formula's kind 975 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,800 Speaker 2: of dissolved a little bit. And then obviously Steve Stricker 976 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,880 Speaker 2: had never won a major championship him being captain, So 977 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,200 Speaker 2: I think you certainly have to have people who've played 978 00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,480 Speaker 2: Ryder Cup and understand what that is like. But I 979 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:04,120 Speaker 2: think they're there are some good options maybe outside of 980 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,600 Speaker 2: that kind of window that we've seen historically. You know, 981 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,319 Speaker 2: the captains have kind of come from. 982 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,440 Speaker 1: I think we've got a good idea based off of 983 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:19,080 Speaker 1: some of the guys that the Europeans got into this setup, 984 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,759 Speaker 1: right ludvig Alberg, hoy guard, you would think that those 985 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,839 Speaker 1: guys are going to be guys that are gonna kind 986 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,680 Speaker 1: of be a part of that. Who do you think 987 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,360 Speaker 1: from the US side in two years, who are you 988 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,800 Speaker 1: looking at to make that team? Who are you looking 989 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,720 Speaker 1: at from the US side that you think okay? Because 990 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,760 Speaker 1: two years ago, I mean nobody, nobody would have picked 991 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,640 Speaker 1: ludvig Alberg to be on a Ryder Cup team. And 992 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,479 Speaker 1: the kid was playing college golf three you know, six 993 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,799 Speaker 1: months ago, I mean he was playing. He was in 994 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,520 Speaker 1: a team bus, playing for Texas Tech, carrying his own bag. 995 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:04,600 Speaker 1: And six months later he's playing in a Ryder Cup. 996 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,560 Speaker 1: I was saying to Brooks, we were joking, how many 997 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,280 Speaker 1: guys over last weekend that are currently playing college golf. 998 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,040 Speaker 1: We're telling everybody that they they that would listen, how 999 00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,680 Speaker 1: they beat Ludwig in this tournament, how they beat him 1000 00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,600 Speaker 1: in that tournament, how they play better than he does. 1001 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,640 Speaker 1: And this guy's playing on a Ryder Cup team and 1002 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,520 Speaker 1: drinking champagne. So who Who's Who? Are some names that 1003 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:33,120 Speaker 1: you think from a US standpoint that could step up 1004 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,160 Speaker 1: and be a part of this next Rider Cup team. 1005 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,080 Speaker 2: Well, chances are two or three of them are in 1006 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:43,800 Speaker 2: college right now. You know, Gordon Sergeant, I could see 1007 00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,800 Speaker 2: him being on a Ryder Cup team in two years. 1008 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,480 Speaker 2: You know Nick Dunlap, I could see him being on 1009 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,360 Speaker 2: a Ryder Cup team, just one of the US amitar 1010 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 2: He just lipped out a putt for fifty nine at 1011 00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:00,800 Speaker 2: a college tournament, I think yesterday or Monday. So you know, 1012 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,840 Speaker 2: there's chances are there's guys that are still in college. 1013 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,840 Speaker 2: They're going to be on this team. I think you're 1014 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,240 Speaker 2: still going to have There's always going to be turnover. 1015 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,120 Speaker 2: There's always going to be turnover. It's just too competitive. 1016 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,600 Speaker 2: You know, you figure Scotti Scheffler is going to be 1017 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,640 Speaker 2: on these teams, Patrick Can't lay, Max Holma. You know 1018 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,439 Speaker 2: you're going to have some repeat parts, but you're also 1019 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,800 Speaker 2: going to bring in some new guys. I mean, would 1020 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,160 Speaker 2: you have thought two years ago that Brian Harmon would 1021 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,640 Speaker 2: be on the Ryder Cup team and then he'd be 1022 00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:32,640 Speaker 2: a major champion not necessarily. And you know he played 1023 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,400 Speaker 2: very well on Saturday with Max Holma, and you know, Max, 1024 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,600 Speaker 2: I think carry the majority of the load. But but 1025 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 2: Brian played some really good golf on Saturday. So there's 1026 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,080 Speaker 2: you know, there's it's hard to pinpoint, okay, these players, 1027 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:51,240 Speaker 2: but I guarantee you after seeing Ludwig play, watching him 1028 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,040 Speaker 2: play these college players, you know, the PG twer has 1029 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,560 Speaker 2: done a great thing in this PG two university where 1030 00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,800 Speaker 2: the you know, the leading college player in immediately gets 1031 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,200 Speaker 2: his tour card and I think the next five or 1032 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,600 Speaker 2: next four, or the next ten or nine they get 1033 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,440 Speaker 2: access on corn Ferry and those things. So you're gonna 1034 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,760 Speaker 2: see the stars instead of turning pro, You're going to 1035 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,040 Speaker 2: see them stay in college for three or four years 1036 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,760 Speaker 2: so that they can take advantage of that opportunity. That's 1037 00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,920 Speaker 2: going to help the Ryder Cup on both sides. But 1038 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,000 Speaker 2: certainly I think for the US, I guarantee you there 1039 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,240 Speaker 2: there's probably two, maybe even three players that are playing 1040 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,440 Speaker 2: college golf this year that could very well make the 1041 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,160 Speaker 2: Ryder Cup team in two years. 1042 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:38,400 Speaker 1: Lastly, justin you were doing TV for NBC, you were 1043 00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,080 Speaker 1: doing TV for Golf Channel, and I was talking I 1044 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:42,880 Speaker 1: can't remember where we were. I asked if you were 1045 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,919 Speaker 1: playing any golf, and you were like, I hate golf. 1046 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,000 Speaker 1: I never played golf. I'm not interested in playing golf. 1047 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:52,080 Speaker 1: Now you've gone back to being a full time golfer, 1048 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,920 Speaker 1: you're playing on the Champs Tour. I thought it was 1049 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,840 Speaker 1: crazy when you told me you had zero interest in 1050 00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,360 Speaker 1: playing golf, because, as I said in the opening, there 1051 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,440 Speaker 1: aren't a lot of people in the game that have 1052 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,919 Speaker 1: done what you've done. I mean you, you are one 1053 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,400 Speaker 1: of those players that are very, very iconic and rare 1054 01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,200 Speaker 1: justin in that I mean this. You have done everything 1055 01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:18,520 Speaker 1: that is a benchmark for being a professional golfer. You've won. 1056 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,280 Speaker 1: You know, my dad always says when he looks at 1057 01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,320 Speaker 1: you know, a guy like Haile Irwin. You know, my 1058 01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,160 Speaker 1: dad always says, you know the thing about Hail Irwin 1059 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,880 Speaker 1: that always stands out to me, He's been good my 1060 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,680 Speaker 1: entire life, right, he was never not a great player. 1061 01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,040 Speaker 1: You were in that boat. What was the catalyst for 1062 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,840 Speaker 1: you to fall back in love with competitive golf and 1063 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,919 Speaker 1: make the decision to say, listen, that's who I am. 1064 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm a competitive tournament golfer and I want to keep 1065 01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,720 Speaker 1: doing this well. 1066 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,440 Speaker 2: It was like twenty fourteen, fifteen sixteen. You know, I 1067 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,160 Speaker 2: was kind of felt like I was beating my head 1068 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,320 Speaker 2: against a wall. I wasn't playing very well. A lot 1069 01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,080 Speaker 2: of things and great things going on at home. Ib 1070 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:05,040 Speaker 2: he sacrificed too much of my practice time for family reasons, 1071 01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,680 Speaker 2: and that was completely my own choice. But I just 1072 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:12,439 Speaker 2: found more satisfaction being with my family than I did 1073 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,880 Speaker 2: from practicing and playing the game. So stepped away did TV, 1074 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,520 Speaker 2: And you're right, those three years, like twenty seventeen through 1075 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,520 Speaker 2: twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, I played maybe a 1076 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,080 Speaker 2: handful of rounds a year. I was living in Colorado 1077 01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,360 Speaker 2: doing TV. I would do you know, two or three 1078 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,640 Speaker 2: corporate events a year, and might you know, hit a 1079 01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,240 Speaker 2: few balls the day before, so I kind of maybe 1080 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,880 Speaker 2: looked like I knew what I was doing. But you know, Luke, 1081 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,680 Speaker 2: our oldest son, started playing golf during COVID because it's 1082 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,840 Speaker 2: about the only thing you could do. All of a sudden, 1083 01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,640 Speaker 2: I was about to turn forty nine, and I thought, well, 1084 01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,360 Speaker 2: if there's a chance I want to play, I need 1085 01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,720 Speaker 2: to start getting back into it. And I kind of 1086 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,680 Speaker 2: fell back in love with the whole process and starting 1087 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,480 Speaker 2: to work at it and finding little things. And I 1088 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,240 Speaker 2: was taking the things that I'd watched from watching the 1089 01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:09,520 Speaker 2: best players in the world and trying to maybe incorporate 1090 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,120 Speaker 2: that into my own game, but maybe being more aggressive 1091 01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,000 Speaker 2: in those things and pushing the ball further down there. 1092 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,880 Speaker 2: And so I just really kind of love the process. 1093 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,200 Speaker 2: I think getting away from my own game and watching 1094 01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,960 Speaker 2: the best players in the world it inspired me in 1095 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,720 Speaker 2: some ways. And so, you know, I played, I worked 1096 01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,520 Speaker 2: my events for NBC and Golf Channel last year. I 1097 01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,920 Speaker 2: snuck in four different events after I became eligible in June. 1098 01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,560 Speaker 2: Not that I played any good, but I thought, you 1099 01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,600 Speaker 2: know what, if I could devote all my time to this, 1100 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,000 Speaker 2: I think it's something that I'd really enjoy. And so 1101 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,520 Speaker 2: I've enjoyed getting back into it this year. I've played, 1102 01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,600 Speaker 2: you know, I don't play every week. I play about 1103 01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:50,560 Speaker 2: every other week, and so but I've I've had a 1104 01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,160 Speaker 2: lot of fun with it. And some of it's been, 1105 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,880 Speaker 2: you know, falling into a couple of you know, habits 1106 01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,000 Speaker 2: that I've had in the past, whether it was watching 1107 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,120 Speaker 2: the scoreboard a little too much or or you know, 1108 01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,600 Speaker 2: oh i'm hitting it pretty good. Maybe I'll spend as 1109 01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,240 Speaker 2: much time at it today, those kind of things to 1110 01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,880 Speaker 2: you know what, really I need to be ready to 1111 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,760 Speaker 2: play each and every week. And it's a different kind 1112 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:17,080 Speaker 2: of focus, it's a different mentality, but it's something that 1113 01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,280 Speaker 2: I've really learned to embrace. My families embraced it. They 1114 01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,720 Speaker 2: enjoy watching me play golf. They don't come to a 1115 01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,840 Speaker 2: lot of tournaments, but you know, they watch on TV 1116 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,680 Speaker 2: and those kind of things. And also they see the 1117 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,480 Speaker 2: work that I put in when I'm at home. It 1118 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,520 Speaker 2: was hard for them to see that in television, you know, 1119 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,040 Speaker 2: doing TV. Yes, you do a lot of reading in 1120 01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,000 Speaker 2: those things. And the weeks when I was working were 1121 01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,960 Speaker 2: extremely busy, but I had a lot of free time. 1122 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,760 Speaker 2: And so another thing is like I want to model 1123 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,440 Speaker 2: for my kids what hard work looks like. And I 1124 01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,520 Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily able to do that in television or they 1125 01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,240 Speaker 2: couldn't really see it. But now that I'm playing again, 1126 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,320 Speaker 2: they can see the work that I put in, not 1127 01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,000 Speaker 2: only in the golf course, but in the gym, taking 1128 01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,720 Speaker 2: care of my body, you know, doing things to get 1129 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,680 Speaker 2: my mind in the right, you know, the right space 1130 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,880 Speaker 2: in order to compete. And I've just I've really enjoyed 1131 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,840 Speaker 2: all the things that I've learned trying to apply that 1132 01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,920 Speaker 2: and you know, some new wrinkles into my game that 1133 01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,760 Speaker 2: I would say, some things that I wasn't able to 1134 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,760 Speaker 2: do you know later in my regular PG tour career 1135 01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,480 Speaker 2: that I'm able to do now. I'm hitting the ball further, 1136 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,920 Speaker 2: my training has changed quite a bit, and you know, 1137 01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,560 Speaker 2: just really enjoying the competition is fine, the guys are great, 1138 01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,360 Speaker 2: and it's it's more friendly, but when it comes down 1139 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,320 Speaker 2: to it on Sunday, it's the same feelings. It's the 1140 01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,480 Speaker 2: same feelings of trying to win a golf tournament, trying 1141 01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,400 Speaker 2: to beat people. And I really I didn't realize I 1142 01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,720 Speaker 2: missed that until I got back into it, and you 1143 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,240 Speaker 2: know that's really what drives me. Now. 1144 01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,240 Speaker 1: Well, I can't thank you enough for talking to me, 1145 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,360 Speaker 1: and I am going to put it out there justin 1146 01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,960 Speaker 1: Leonard Ryder Cup Captain. Let's let's let's let's get the 1147 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,200 Speaker 1: ball rolling. It started here, so when it happens, you 1148 01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,520 Speaker 1: can say this was this was the tipping point in 1149 01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,040 Speaker 1: the catalyst to get get the name in the hat. 1150 01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,520 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, I think you could do a 1151 01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,560 Speaker 1: hell of a job and I'm pushing the I'm gonna sart, 1152 01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get buttons. Justin, Justin, Beth Page, Justin, I'm 1153 01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:23,120 Speaker 1: just gonna hand him out. 1154 01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,200 Speaker 2: Thank you, Claude. I appreciate it, Always appreciate your insight. 1155 01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:32,080 Speaker 2: And Okay, if it happens, I'll be sure and take 1156 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:33,040 Speaker 2: care of you in some way. 1157 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,600 Speaker 1: I just want to drive one of the carts. That's it. 1158 01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,240 Speaker 1: If you if you get there, just give me the 1159 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,040 Speaker 1: cart driver job. I saw a lot of guys doing 1160 01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,120 Speaker 1: that last week. I think I'm good enough to drive 1161 01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,440 Speaker 1: a cart somewhere and just drive it and make sure 1162 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:44,280 Speaker 1: everybody's got water. 1163 01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:45,920 Speaker 2: The job is yours. 1164 01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:54,200 Speaker 1: Great talking to you, take care. So that was Justin Leonard, 1165 01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,320 Speaker 1: and I thought Justin had some really good stuff to say. 1166 01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,760 Speaker 1: And listen, I think that any time the US side 1167 01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,720 Speaker 1: gets beat in a Ryder Cup, there's always kind of 1168 01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,400 Speaker 1: this porsmotem of trying to figure out what happened. I 1169 01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,720 Speaker 1: thought that he gave some really good insights to someone 1170 01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,960 Speaker 1: who's been on the team before. He's been on a 1171 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,520 Speaker 1: winning side, he's been on a losing side. And listen, 1172 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,600 Speaker 1: I think that the caliber of players that the US 1173 01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:24,240 Speaker 1: has Beth Page I think they on paper, I think again, 1174 01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:28,800 Speaker 1: because it's the US, because it's beth Page, because of 1175 01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,800 Speaker 1: the crowd. I think they'll probably go in as the 1176 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,320 Speaker 1: favorites again. But as we just saw, I think you 1177 01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,120 Speaker 1: can throw a lot of that stuff out of the window. 1178 01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:42,480 Speaker 1: And as I said, players play the captains, yes, but 1179 01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,360 Speaker 1: the US they just got out played. And you can 1180 01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,760 Speaker 1: try and figure out and that's what everybody's trying to do. 1181 01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,440 Speaker 1: But ultimately it came down to the Europeans made more putts, 1182 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,600 Speaker 1: they chipped in, and they got the job done. The 1183 01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:01,200 Speaker 1: US didn't. We'll see at Bethpage in two years. That's different. 1184 01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:03,720 Speaker 1: If you're an American fan, you hope so and if 1185 01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,680 Speaker 1: you're a European fan, you're hoping that maybe they do 1186 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,040 Speaker 1: get Luke Donald to come back as captain and see 1187 01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,680 Speaker 1: if they can dominate. But it was a fun week, 1188 01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,800 Speaker 1: not the outcome that the US wanted. But Ryder Cups 1189 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,440 Speaker 1: are always amazing to be a part of. Son of 1190 01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,720 Speaker 1: a Butcher comes to you every Wednesday. We will see 1191 01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:22,280 Speaker 1: you next week.