Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to woka F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. This week on wokay F,
Speaker 1: we are reflecting on the year of hate. What is
Speaker 1: apparent and became crystal clear in twenty twenty and as
Speaker 1: we turn the page to twenty twenty one, is that
Speaker 1: violence and hate are on the rise in the United States.
Speaker 1: We would look no further than the killings, the continued
Speaker 1: killings of unarmed black people during at the very height
Speaker 1: of the global health pandemic that not even during that
Speaker 1: time in twenty twenty did we see a reprieve from
Speaker 1: police violence against unarmed black people. We also saw in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty our own president at that time, Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: use the Asian community as his battering ram, referring to
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen as an ethnic slur as a way to
Speaker 1: defer responsibility for his ineptitude in taking action against COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen when at first set its sights on the United
Speaker 1: States and instead would blame Asian Americans for the fact
Speaker 1: that COVID nineteen would reach our shores. During this time,
Speaker 1: we would see an absolute and intense rise in hate
Speaker 1: crimes against the Asian population here so much so that
Speaker 1: there was a hashtag created Stop Asian Hate, so much
Speaker 1: so that legislation was created to acknowledge the rise in
Speaker 1: Asian hate. Then we would experience in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: a continuation of the violence against Black Americans which we
Speaker 1: have been experiencing since we were shackled and brought to
Speaker 1: this country. We would continue to see the hatred lauded
Speaker 1: against the Latin X community, against undocumented immigrants, against Asians,
Speaker 1: and then once again we were to return to ye
Speaker 1: old faithful, which is using Muslims as a pinata in
Speaker 1: this country, particularly by Republican members of Congress, threatening the
Speaker 1: lives of their own colleagues. You know, there was a
Speaker 1: report that was buried a decade ago that talked about
Speaker 1: the rise in white supremacy in America and the rise
Speaker 1: in hate and hate groups. It was buried because, of course,
Speaker 1: anything that mentions the word white. You know, law enforcement
Speaker 1: intelligence agencies don't like to pay attention to They'd much
Speaker 1: rather focus their people on the perceived enemy, right, which
Speaker 1: has always been people of color. That's why they were
Speaker 1: created to protect white people from people of color. The
Speaker 1: reality is is that I don't think that the hate
Speaker 1: we have seen thus far has even reached a fever pitch.
Speaker 1: That's what scares me the most. We have leaders in power,
Speaker 1: because there are leaders, and then there are leaders that
Speaker 1: actually pull the power and pull the levers of power,
Speaker 1: who want to create their own armies like death santis,
Speaker 1: who praise white supremacist militia, like Donald Trump, who want
Speaker 1: to embrace murderers like Lauren Bobert and Marjorie Taylor Green
Speaker 1: and Matt Gates. And I wonder where it's all headed.
Speaker 1: You know, I can remember and excuse me because I
Speaker 1: can't remember his name. I like to these things out.
Speaker 1: There is a Republican member of Congress that said, well,
Speaker 1: we have more bullets on our side because they are
Speaker 1: itching for a new civil war. And I remember being
Speaker 1: on Sirius XM and having a caller say, Danielle, We're
Speaker 1: in a silent civil war right now, one that is
Speaker 1: being fought with words and the media and enforced with policy.
Speaker 1: You see, when we look around right now, we have
Speaker 1: no voting rights legislation. After the world watched the excruciating
Speaker 1: murder of George Floyd, the legislation that bears his name
Speaker 1: is currently dead in the Senate. With no hopes of revival,
Speaker 1: because it was disingenuous to believe in the first place
Speaker 1: that Republicans would do anything about qualified immunity, right because
Speaker 1: you know, you put on a badge. So long as
Speaker 1: you're not protecting the Capitol building, you put on a badge,
Speaker 1: and you get to do whatever the fuck you want.
Speaker 1: You get to both go through training, hold a gun,
Speaker 1: but still fear for your life by unarmed civilians, and
Speaker 1: then have no accountability and responsibility to the actions that
Speaker 1: you take because all you're a police officer, and God
Speaker 1: forbid we were to dissolve qualified immunity, which would then
Speaker 1: maybe have these officers, who we continue to refer to
Speaker 1: as just a collective group of bad apples instead of
Speaker 1: the poison orchard that they come from. Maybe they would
Speaker 1: think twice about you know what Kim Potter did, which
Speaker 1: is say, oh, I thought it was my taser, but
Speaker 1: it was really a gun, and then take a twenty
Speaker 1: year old away from his friends, his family, and his child.
Speaker 1: American hate is real, and we saw its bare face
Speaker 1: on January sixth. The screams, the racial slurs, the taunting,
Speaker 1: the red faces, demanding their country back very reminiscent of
Speaker 1: the lynching photos of yesteryear or present day. If you
Speaker 1: look at the McMichaels and what they were able to
Speaker 1: do to Ahmad Aubrey, and without the outrage from the public,
Speaker 1: we would have never received guilty verdicts, we would and
Speaker 1: have received a trial, and they never would have been arrested.
Speaker 1: So how many stories do we not hear about? How
Speaker 1: many acts of violence and hate never reach national news,
Speaker 1: never trend on social media, names that we will never know.
Speaker 1: You know, it was a big deal when the Lynching
Speaker 1: Museum was created, the Lynching Memorial. It was a big
Speaker 1: deal because the country I had never seen it before.
Speaker 1: It was a physical representation in Alabama that would showcase
Speaker 1: on six acres overlooking the Alabama state Capital, some of
Speaker 1: the many victims of American white supremacy. It would force
Speaker 1: people to have to reckon with what has been so
Speaker 1: long buried in this country, which is why you have
Speaker 1: Republicans right now fighting against a curriculum that doesn't even exist.
Speaker 1: Because the mere thought of what history would look and
Speaker 1: read and sound like outside of the white gays is terrifying,
Speaker 1: is enough to be a campaign tool. Your kids shouldn't
Speaker 1: be subjected to the truth your kids shouldn't know about
Speaker 1: the fact that black people have always lived in fucking
Speaker 1: terror that was condoned, that was legalized for centuries. This
Speaker 1: is what The New York Times wrote back in twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen about the memorial. The National Memorial for Peace and Justice,
Speaker 1: which opens Thursday on a six acre site overlooking the
Speaker 1: Alabama State Capital, is dedicated to the victims of American
Speaker 1: white supremacy, and it demands a reckoning with one of
Speaker 1: the nation's least recognized atrocities, the lynching of thousands of
Speaker 1: black people in a decades long campaign of racial terror.
Speaker 1: At the center is a grim cloister, a walkway with
Speaker 1: eight hundred weathered steel columns, all hanging from a roof.
Speaker 1: Etched on each column is a name of an American
Speaker 1: county and the people who were lynched there, most listed
Speaker 1: by name, many simply as unknown. The columns meet you
Speaker 1: first at eye level, like the headstones that lynching victims
Speaker 1: were rarely given. But as you walk, the floor steadily descends.
Speaker 1: By the end, the columns are all dangling above, leaving
Speaker 1: you in the position of the callous spectators in old
Speaker 1: photographs of public lynchs. Hate is not new to America.
Speaker 1: If you are any student of American history at all,
Speaker 1: then you would know it's what it was founded on.
Speaker 1: We love the stories, the whimsical tales of the first
Speaker 1: Thanksgivings and the gatherings, and the indigenous population meeting, the
Speaker 1: welcoming the pilgrims at the shor's end, only to literally
Speaker 1: be shot in the back, scalped, raped, and infected with
Speaker 1: deadly viruses that their bodies hadn't developed immunities too, only
Speaker 1: to then be picked up and put on small plots
Speaker 1: of land that they would struggle to be able to
Speaker 1: grow food on, to exist on, spiraling them into generations
Speaker 1: of alcoholism, drug abuse, domestic abuse, and worse, suicide rates
Speaker 1: on those reservations are higher than the nation's suicide rates.
Speaker 1: You would never learn until maybe recently, that America had
Speaker 1: had a legacy of stealing, kidnapping Native American children, forcing
Speaker 1: them into residential schools where they would beat them into submission,
Speaker 1: and for those that they could not break, they would
Speaker 1: then just end up burying them in mass graves. That's
Speaker 1: the truth of American hate. We, of course, have many
Speaker 1: inflection points over the course of the two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy plus years of our existence. But it's the story
Speaker 1: that we as a collective don't ever tell, except in
Speaker 1: moments of great grief, like watching George Floyd take his
Speaker 1: last breath by calling out for his dead mother. Coming
Speaker 1: up is my conversation that took place in May with
Speaker 1: the editor at Large for The Daily Beast, Molly jung Fast,
Speaker 1: and we delve into American hate. Friends. I am so
Speaker 1: so so excited to welcome to woka F Daily for
Speaker 1: the very first time. My friend Molly jung Fast. You
Speaker 1: may have read her, You read her, you listen to her.
Speaker 1: She's the editor at Large for The Daily Beast as
Speaker 1: well as one of the co hosts for the New
Speaker 1: Abnormal podcast with The Daily Beast. Molly, let me tell
Speaker 1: you one, congrats on all of the stories that the
Speaker 1: Daily Beast has been breaking left and right. I think
Speaker 1: that the coverage has been fantastic around Republicans, around Matt Gates.
Speaker 1: Let's start with where Republicans are right, like where we
Speaker 1: are in our political landscape right now, we have, in
Speaker 1: my humble opinion, one political party and one cult. What
Speaker 1: do you think about how Let's let's look at their
Speaker 1: reactions to Biden's joint session last week and what they
Speaker 1: were applauding and what they were refusing to applaud to.
Speaker 1: What do you think the Republican Party stands for these days?
Speaker 1: You know, that was that moment when the GOP leader
Speaker 1: refused to applaud clean water right because also child poverty right,
Speaker 1: child poverty. I mean again, you know, the problem is
Speaker 1: they are basically right, they believe the election. I mean,
Speaker 1: they just have these like insane beliefs. Right, they don't
Speaker 1: believe the election that Biden won the election. They believe
Speaker 1: that Trump is still president, right, they believe you know,
Speaker 1: there's a forty percent of Republicans don't want to take
Speaker 1: the vaccine. I mean, we've sort of gone through the
Speaker 1: looking glass with this group. And I don't know. I
Speaker 1: mean again, like it's like I was watching the MSSEN
Speaker 1: today and we're listening to, you know, our Republicans going
Speaker 1: to compromise an infrastructure, like, you know, they didn't even
Speaker 1: accept the election results. Like, how are you going to
Speaker 1: make a deal with these people when they are so
Speaker 1: not so Yeah, I don't know what happens. I mean
Speaker 1: it just seems crazy to me. You know, one of
Speaker 1: the other things too. And I was on MSNBC, you know,
Speaker 1: over the weekend, and you know, I was on Reverend
Speaker 1: al Show and he's asking, you know, what are we
Speaker 1: doing with Kristen Cinema and Joe Mansion, right, like they
Speaker 1: are and I keep referring to them as Democrats in
Speaker 1: sheep's clothes, like democrats and Republicans in sheep's clothing, right,
Speaker 1: like they are not even democrat light, Like they are
Speaker 1: becoming just as big of an obstacle as the Republican
Speaker 1: Party is. How do we manage them? And the fact
Speaker 1: that Joe Mansion's like, no, DC doesn't deserve the right
Speaker 1: to vote, and no, the infrastructure bill is going to
Speaker 1: cost too much money, and no on all of these things,
Speaker 1: like essentially signing with Republicans. But he's supposed to be
Speaker 1: a Democrat. Well, Mansion is a harder is a harder
Speaker 1: lift than Cinema, right, because Mansion is an unreplaceable politician.
Speaker 1: You don't you can't primary Mansion. Mansion is Mansion. He
Speaker 1: is the only Democrat that could conceivably win that seat.
Speaker 1: Cinema is a different story, right, because that's a very
Speaker 1: liberal and much more liberal state that is really turning blue,
Speaker 1: and so she really could she's really out of step
Speaker 1: with her party, right with mansion. You could see rural
Speaker 1: of West Virginia, even though these are people who would
Speaker 1: benefit a lot from infrastructure and brought you know, this
Speaker 1: is a place where they really actually do. I mean,
Speaker 1: where I live, broadband is not going to change my life,
Speaker 1: but where in some parts of West Virginia really will.
Speaker 1: So I don't quite know what his calculus there is.
Speaker 1: I do think like this should fall on the Biden
Speaker 1: administration to go and talk to him, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: certainly the first thing that needs to happen is the
Speaker 1: voting rights bill, the H one, and like that has
Speaker 1: to happen because that is about democracy right and keeping
Speaker 1: democracy going. And so if it were me, I would
Speaker 1: go to them and get them on that and do
Speaker 1: that as like you can. You can sort of fix it,
Speaker 1: so you don't you have a filibuster list bill with
Speaker 1: that one bill, And so I would do that, and
Speaker 1: then I would go into infrastructure. Infrastructure is a longer conversation.
Speaker 1: The voting writes is number one in my mind, and
Speaker 1: so I think that's really important. But yeah, no, it's
Speaker 1: a problem, and I think that some of this needs
Speaker 1: Biden administration needs to go in there and explain to them.
Speaker 1: I mean with Cinema. Mark Kelly is up for reelection
Speaker 1: in two years, right, so she can't there really is
Speaker 1: her inability to do the things she needs to do
Speaker 1: for her party could have real, real world results. Now,
Speaker 1: the interesting thing is Mark Kelly is much more popular
Speaker 1: in Arizona than she is, so you do have an
Speaker 1: interesting dynamic there. But yeah, no, I think number one
Speaker 1: is protect voting rights. Number one is make sure that
Speaker 1: companies are that the companies in these states where there
Speaker 1: is this move towards anti democracy, that they're speaking out right.
Speaker 1: So like Florida just passed So we have Georgia pass
Speaker 1: this really bad bill and now Florida just passed it.
Speaker 1: And Florida's bill also has these like you can run
Speaker 1: over protesters in your car. Yeah yeah, so I mean
Speaker 1: that needs to be like we need companies in Florida.
Speaker 1: And I know Ronda Santists. I mean it's so interesting
Speaker 1: because like Republicans used to be so pro business and
Speaker 1: now they are super into trying to punish businesses for
Speaker 1: not doing what they want, which is like such a
Speaker 1: strange kind of chrony capitalism, but like we need businesses
Speaker 1: to stand up and push back against some of this
Speaker 1: and say like no, you know, I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think like we have to. There are activists in
Speaker 1: Georgia who I'm sure you know, who are like on
Speaker 1: the ground, who have sort of had good direction on
Speaker 1: what to do exactly in Georgia, but certainly in Florida.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a bigger shoe, you know. I think
Speaker 1: that what is incredibly troubling right now, what I'm concerned
Speaker 1: about with the Biden Harris administration is that we're looking
Speaker 1: at all of these other pieces of legislation, We're looking
Speaker 1: at this double infrastructure bill, We're looking at the George
Speaker 1: Floyd Police Reform bill, but there isn't as fervent a
Speaker 1: conversation happening around voting rights. And in my opinion, just
Speaker 1: like you laid out, I'm like, if we don't do
Speaker 1: that next right as the clock is running out, as
Speaker 1: we're heading into midterms, then this is going to be
Speaker 1: a one term presidency for Biden and Harris because people
Speaker 1: aren't going to be able to vote. So why do
Speaker 1: you think that their focus is not here or is
Speaker 1: their focus there? As well as all of these other things,
Speaker 1: but it's not receiving the type of attention it should.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, the voting Rights Bill is
Speaker 1: not sexy, and I don't know how you pass it
Speaker 1: because you don't have ten Republicans whore at all. I mean,
Speaker 1: like one of the quote unquote sanist Republicans. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I'm saying this is like to show how
Speaker 1: unsane she is is Susan Collins, And Susan Collins said
Speaker 1: that Democrats are all part of like a woke mob
Speaker 1: this weekend, like, I mean, she didn't quite say that,
Speaker 1: but I mean, it's completely insane. If you think about
Speaker 1: where Republicans are, like supporting a lie that the election
Speaker 1: didn't even happen, right, it's crazy. So I do think
Speaker 1: there aren't many sane Republicans, So I don't know how.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's scary and it's hard to do,
Speaker 1: but I think it's important, and I think it's more
Speaker 1: important honestly than infrastructure right now, and then George Floyd policing,
Speaker 1: which is also super important. I mean. The good news
Speaker 1: with that is it feels like there's more there's a
Speaker 1: bipartisan at at you know, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: that Republicans really have Like, it's hard for me to
Speaker 1: imagine Republican Republicans having a good faith effort on anything.
Speaker 1: But if they are, you know, Tim Scott would be
Speaker 1: the is in my mind, the only one who would
Speaker 1: have any you know, so we'll see, I mean he does.
Speaker 1: It's at least we have a Republican who's interested in
Speaker 1: doing something, which is sort of very much his star
Speaker 1: change from the usual. I want to talk about Matt Gates. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the fact that he's a creep, which you have
Speaker 1: written about on numerous occasions, and the Daily Beast is
Speaker 1: breaking stories left and right. Where do you think that
Speaker 1: this story goes? And whether or not Republicans are going
Speaker 1: to be forced into a corner or can be forced
Speaker 1: into a corner with getting him off of the committees, right, Like,
Speaker 1: we know that Democrats have the ability to do that,
Speaker 1: but Republicans have been silent. They say things like the
Speaker 1: accusations are super serious, but they're not calling for anything.
Speaker 1: So is this just them being okay with embracing you know,
Speaker 1: sex with miners, and okay with trafficking and okay with
Speaker 1: all of these things like where do Democrats step in
Speaker 1: to own the narrative around this? You know, I think
Speaker 1: Republicans will do what they can get away with. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what we've seen in Trump worlds, right that it
Speaker 1: just there's no bar too low. So I think it's
Speaker 1: possible that they don't ever call on him to resign,
Speaker 1: that they just let it play out. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, there was a lot of speculation that there
Speaker 1: was really really that this was much worse than anyone knew.
Speaker 1: There definitely is a seventeen year old girl, I think
Speaker 1: she's a eighteen now who is like who exists, but
Speaker 1: she won't talk. So until she'll talk, I don't know
Speaker 1: what they do there. There definitely is Gates's friend, and
Speaker 1: did is doing a plea deal, so maybe he can
Speaker 1: roll on Gates. I don't know. I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of things have to happen. Remember, Gates has this very
Speaker 1: wealthy Florida Republican family that's working hard to protect him,
Speaker 1: so you know, he's kind of ensconced, and he is
Speaker 1: a congressman, you know, he's not a senator, and he
Speaker 1: is from a very red district. I mean, if it
Speaker 1: were me and it were my party, I would want
Speaker 1: him out because he's so problematic, and you know, any
Speaker 1: Republican can win that seat anyway. You know, it's not
Speaker 1: a situation where you have a Republican in a blue seat.
Speaker 1: You have a Republican or a very red seat. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think it's unlikely that.
Speaker 1: I don't think Republicans are motivated by like doing the
Speaker 1: right thing. I mean evidently, I mean that's clear. So
Speaker 1: I think it's I don't know how that goes or
Speaker 1: what happens, but it's not It is not great for them.
Speaker 1: What platform are they standing on these days? Or does it?
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, I guess because here we have forty
Speaker 1: three states right now with over three hundred voters suppression
Speaker 1: bills right that are specifically targeting black and brown people.
Speaker 1: We have them attacking our elections, we have them attacking
Speaker 1: the judiciary with all of the three hundred plus federal
Speaker 1: judges that Mitch McConnell sat. We have very slim majorities
Speaker 1: in both the House and the Senate, and then we
Speaker 1: have elections coming up mid terms. Yeah, how do you
Speaker 1: see this playing out for our democracy? I won't even
Speaker 1: say for Democrats, for our democracy? Because I've been saying
Speaker 1: I said that the election was like a band aid, right,
Speaker 1: that there was going to need to be a lot
Speaker 1: more that was done. Yeah, I mean, historically, the party
Speaker 1: in power has never done well in the mid terms.
Speaker 1: If Trump doesn't get re platformed, I don't think Trump
Speaker 1: will have the same power that he's had before, which
Speaker 1: is good. I could see a world where, I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems like from what I've heard from people who
Speaker 1: around Trump, you know, in that world, they're very frustrated.
Speaker 1: They feel like he's not doing anything anymore and that
Speaker 1: he just like takes people to the omelet station and
Speaker 1: plays golf. But isn't that what he's doing. It's what
Speaker 1: he always and also the question the truth is, it's
Speaker 1: what he always did. But he and even his son
Speaker 1: don't seem all that interested in like continuing their political life,
Speaker 1: even though there is tweeting. So I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I could see. I mean, he's sort of he's sort
Speaker 1: of gone out and said that he sees Rohn de
Speaker 1: Santists as the heir apparent. What's scary is that, you know,
Speaker 1: Trump is very anti democratic and he's also very you know,
Speaker 1: sleazy and not smart and misogynistic and racist. But what's
Speaker 1: scary to me is, like the Santists is not wildly different,
Speaker 1: He's just a lot smarter. So how that goes down
Speaker 1: is kind of scary there. You know, over the weekend,
Speaker 1: there was video that was shown, you know, as we're
Speaker 1: looking at the trend of Republicans going to the sleeves,
Speaker 1: there is was a video of Mitt Romney right out
Speaker 1: at giving a speech and he was damn near booed
Speaker 1: off of the stage once he said, once he started
Speaker 1: to question out loud the character of Donald Trump. What
Speaker 1: do you think that that signals to him and all
Speaker 1: and the Republican Party as as a whole. Regardless of
Speaker 1: whether Trump is replatformed, which I don't think should happen
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about in a second, is that normal
Speaker 1: middle of the road Republicans don't exist anymore? And the
Speaker 1: ones that do their own people hate. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: that was pretty intense watching that video of him. Ah, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I think that's right. There aren't any more of these
Speaker 1: modern Republicans. I mean, you see this with Liz Cheney.
Speaker 1: They're trying to deep you know, she's number three in
Speaker 1: the Republican Party and they want her out because she's
Speaker 1: indefficiently umpy. I mean, it seems to me the Republican
Speaker 1: Party is like trumpy and racist. They're against like you know,
Speaker 1: every they're anti anti racist, you know, they're anti like,
Speaker 1: you know, education basically. So I don't know, And I
Speaker 1: mean I think some of it is they've managed to
Speaker 1: focus on, you know, getting some groups excited about Republicanism
Speaker 1: with misinformation, right and lies and Q and on and
Speaker 1: really scary stuff. So I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: I there wasn't a lot of sane people in the
Speaker 1: Republican Party to start with, but they're gone, like the
Speaker 1: Will Hurts and the people who were at all reason
Speaker 1: of are gone. I don't know how you still have
Speaker 1: I don't know how like the few people left there,
Speaker 1: like the Tim Scotts, still stay and and it's really sad.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a big fan of the Republican Party,
Speaker 1: but I do think that American politics works better when
Speaker 1: you don't have one party that's completely insane. I mean,
Speaker 1: are they going to completely cannibalize themselves because people, you know,
Speaker 1: during the twenty twenty election, I think it was the
Speaker 1: largest if I'm not mistaken, on registering as a Republican
Speaker 1: that we had ever seen, and yet they still hold
Speaker 1: power in thirty five states right where they where are
Speaker 1: red states with red governors and at the state legislature.
Speaker 1: So it's like, will they cannibalize themselves enough or is
Speaker 1: this just this is just the way that it is.
Speaker 1: And America is essentially a stool, a two legged stool.
Speaker 1: I don't think that it can stick around like this, Like,
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of you can't have a situation
Speaker 1: like this, like either Trump comes back and he goes
Speaker 1: for democracy and decides to sort of destroy it, which
Speaker 1: I think is actually not as likely as a more
Speaker 1: likely scenario, which is you have a Roda Santa who's
Speaker 1: a little smarter and chips away at it if he wins,
Speaker 1: which you may not. Um, I don't I think it will.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It may get worse before it gets better,
Speaker 1: but it may not. I mean, like part of what's
Speaker 1: happened is Trump has really ginned things up. You know,
Speaker 1: He's made everybody kind of crazy, and so it's possible
Speaker 1: that if he goes away, that sort of that craziness
Speaker 1: dies down. Remember, like the people like by, they like him,
Speaker 1: they like the infrastructure, they like the no drama. You know,
Speaker 1: he's sort of boring. There's not anything they can attack
Speaker 1: that's like inherently you know, he's just sort of an
Speaker 1: old white guy, you know. So I do think, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think if you if
Speaker 1: you take down the temperature, you take down the temperature, right,
Speaker 1: So if you stop, like one of the problems with
Speaker 1: COVID and the vaccine is that Trump for so long
Speaker 1: was pushing so many lies about the virus that like
Speaker 1: his supporters really did get a lot of missing ration.
Speaker 1: But if Trump goes away, you sort of have that
Speaker 1: kind of lull. So I don't know, it could go
Speaker 1: either way. What do you think about the replatforming situation?
Speaker 1: And again, like you'd mentioned at the beginning, Florida going
Speaker 1: to try and penalize social media platforms for not agreeing
Speaker 1: with them. And this was the party of big business, right, Like,
Speaker 1: this is the party if CEOs and shareholders as long
Speaker 1: as they keep their mouth shut and fill their coffers.
Speaker 1: But now these CEOs and shareholders are just like whoa,
Speaker 1: you all are stepping a line. You have jumped the
Speaker 1: shark in terms of like what is considered acceptable and
Speaker 1: what is not. And so do you think that Trump
Speaker 1: gets replatformed or do you think that social media companies
Speaker 1: and other companies begin to sue gop legislatures. Well, it'll
Speaker 1: be interesting, you see, right, Like there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: things that have happened over the last week, right like
Speaker 1: Dominions held with Newsmax, right, so they're getting ready, and
Speaker 1: you know, once they're settling, then there's culpability. So now
Speaker 1: Dominion can go to Fox, and Dominion can go to
Speaker 1: Trump and Dominion, you know, they have this lawsuit and
Speaker 1: they've really had damages, right because now red states don't
Speaker 1: use dominion voting machines even though they're the same as
Speaker 1: all the other voting machines, just because of a trumpy lies.
Speaker 1: So you know, there's a lot of legal recourse for
Speaker 1: corporations in America, And so I could see that. I
Speaker 1: don't know how I mean, this idea that they're going
Speaker 1: to punish social media platforms for being unsufficiently trumpy in Florida,
Speaker 1: I don't even know how that would work. I don't
Speaker 1: even know, right, Like, I mean, it's not what are
Speaker 1: you going to ban it from the state. You can't
Speaker 1: get Facebook if you're in Florida, but you can get
Speaker 1: it in Alabama. I mean, like you can't. I don't
Speaker 1: know how. I mean, it seems like a dumb like
Speaker 1: foura into the culture wars, you know, like Mitch McConnell
Speaker 1: going after the sixteen nineteen project Jack, Like it just doesn't.
Speaker 1: It seems like more of like anti virtue signaling than
Speaker 1: actual like things you could conceivably do in the real world.
Speaker 1: So I don't know it's the answer. Why do you
Speaker 1: think you know? My last question for you, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you brought up the sixteen nineteen
Speaker 1: project because let me tell you, I don't think that
Speaker 1: I have seen outside of them attacking the LGBTQ community
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the early two thousands, in late
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, this type of targeted attack on a different
Speaker 1: on the actual the true narrative of America, which is
Speaker 1: what the sixteen nineteen Project presents. Why are they so
Speaker 1: crazed by this? Why is it something that they are
Speaker 1: willing to go to the mats for suspend grants, shut
Speaker 1: down public schools like do the most so that this
Speaker 1: Pulitzer Prise winning piece of work is not shared in
Speaker 1: schools yeah, and it's so weird because like this is
Speaker 1: a group that does not care about any thing, right,
Speaker 1: I mean they totally I mean you know they care.
Speaker 1: I mean it's sort of good they're caring about books, right,
Speaker 1: But um no, I think it's just racism. I really do.
Speaker 1: I think it's just like, you know, these are their hits, right,
Speaker 1: like target someone. So like this is an easy one
Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, we don't want our kids
Speaker 1: to be exposed to being taught about history. Like that's
Speaker 1: not okay. So yeah, I mean I think that's what
Speaker 1: it is. It's it's it's enraging to me because I
Speaker 1: feel like we have a chance to like do some
Speaker 1: things to you know. What's interesting is like if you
Speaker 1: see the polling right and this is like I don't
Speaker 1: know if you saw this weekend I was reading saying
Speaker 1: about Barack Obama. But like when Barack Obama was born,
Speaker 1: there was like poll that like seven percent of Americans
Speaker 1: agreed with interracial marriage. Right now it's like ninety seven percent.
Speaker 1: Like it's so nobody care, you know. And that's like
Speaker 1: gay marriage too, Like people were very instant. Yeah, nobody cares,
Speaker 1: and so like they know, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: Republicans know they're losing the culture wars, like that people
Speaker 1: don't care what other people do with their lives because
Speaker 1: it's none of their fucking business. Excuse my friend. And
Speaker 1: so um, it's the situation where you have these Republicans
Speaker 1: who are like, if we can't fight people and discriminate
Speaker 1: against them, then what do we do? Right? And especially
Speaker 1: because Mada corporate, I mean the corporate tax stuff. I
Speaker 1: have to tell you, I'm starting interrupting because you please, no, go,
Speaker 1: but the corporate tax stuff. They are fighting so hard
Speaker 1: to keep this tax rate, like um, Biden wants to
Speaker 1: bring up the tax rate to where it was when
Speaker 1: Trump brought it down twenty nine twenty eight percent. Remember
Speaker 1: it was up to mid third. Yeah, and they are
Speaker 1: like desperately don't want this corporate tax rate race. But
Speaker 1: they also want to punish corporations for I mean, for
Speaker 1: saying that you know they don't want I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just like a completely crazy thing. So it's very infuriating
Speaker 1: to me. You know, it is very infuriating. And you know,
Speaker 1: I know that you have like you have a son, right,
Speaker 1: and I'm just curiously you have two. I'm just curious,
Speaker 1: like do you see how I mean I ask this
Speaker 1: of parents often, do you see hope in the upcoming generation?
Speaker 1: Or are they gonna be so like outdone and over
Speaker 1: politics and over this this kind of crap country that
Speaker 1: we're leaving for them. It's filthy, it is, you know,
Speaker 1: filled with police killing people. We have you know, where
Speaker 1: we can't get people to clap for clean water and
Speaker 1: ending of child poverty. Like do you think that your
Speaker 1: kids generation, Like are they coming in like gangbusters and saying, so,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna take this ball over the line
Speaker 1: or are they just like forget, forget this, We're all
Speaker 1: out for ourselves. No. I mean I have three kids,
Speaker 1: three teenage, and I think I mean, certainly two of
Speaker 1: my kids are pretty committed. I mean I always say
Speaker 1: to my kids though, because I you know, I say
Speaker 1: to them, like, think you are so lucky, Like there
Speaker 1: are kids your age who are getting stopt by the police, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, who are getting murdered by the police for
Speaker 1: having like a cell phone. So I'm like always like,
Speaker 1: you are so lucky. You have so much privilege. You
Speaker 1: don't realize that you're sitting you know, I mean, you're
Speaker 1: safe in a way that a whole group of people
Speaker 1: are not. And so I think they know how lucky
Speaker 1: they are. But I think they're also very disturbed by
Speaker 1: how fucked up American society is. So I do think
Speaker 1: that my kids will be involved in that. And I
Speaker 1: don't think that I think this. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: why Republicans are sort of grabbing on so tight, it's
Speaker 1: because they know that the next generation isn't like them, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, people largely don't care. You know, nobody can
Speaker 1: nobody can hare ors who you marry and who you love, right.
Speaker 1: I mean that's not something like I feel like people
Speaker 1: are less and less and it's so funny because it's like,
Speaker 1: here's a Republican party, right. They don't want you to
Speaker 1: tell corporations they can't pollute, right, but they do want
Speaker 1: to care who you marry, you know. I mean it's
Speaker 1: just so I do think ultimately, I think ultimately the
Speaker 1: younger generation is really good. I mean, the question is
Speaker 1: do we stop the climate change stuff before it kills them?
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I honestly I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really don't, because every administration we kick the can
Speaker 1: further and further down right, and we're kicking it off
Speaker 1: of a cliff at this point with the rate that
Speaker 1: we have glaciers melting, with the rate of forest fires.
Speaker 1: You know, we forgot that in the midst of the
Speaker 1: beginning of the coronavirus, there were a billion animals that
Speaker 1: were lost on the planet from the fires that were
Speaker 1: happening in Australia and then the fires that were happening
Speaker 1: in California, and we just kind of went about our
Speaker 1: business as if that's normal, and it's not. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: I just worry. I worry too. Yeah, No, I do too.
Speaker 1: Last thing for you is, you know, what do you
Speaker 1: think the responsibility is of media right now? Because I
Speaker 1: still feel like media doesn't ask the right questions, doesn't
Speaker 1: hold the right people accountable, and the flood of misinformation
Speaker 1: makes it less so for us to get on the
Speaker 1: same page. Well, I would say the biggest thing that
Speaker 1: needs to happen is that the murdocks need to be
Speaker 1: held responsible, either financially or legally for the kind of
Speaker 1: division that they sew in American society. And I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly how you do that, but like the fact
Speaker 1: they are so much they push so much disinformation into
Speaker 1: the ether that that is incredibly problematic in my mind.
Speaker 1: So I would say that's the first thing is to
Speaker 1: hold you know, the Murdoch's need to be I mean
Speaker 1: it's like a joke. I mean I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this the other day. Rupert Murdoch lives in London got
Speaker 1: vaccidated in December lock when Murdoch lives in Australia. I mean,
Speaker 1: these people are not living in the mess they're creating.
Speaker 1: That is really bad. I also think like we need
Speaker 1: a mainstream media not to platform people who supported the
Speaker 1: January sixth insurrection and they and that means you know,
Speaker 1: those are people like Marsha Blackburn and you know Rick
Speaker 1: Santaur who still has a CNN deal, right Rick Santaoram
Speaker 1: who still has a But also like the senators like
Speaker 1: Josh Holly, like you know, Washington Post should not have
Speaker 1: Josh Holly on a on a you know, they should
Speaker 1: not be platforming him like the you know there, so
Speaker 1: that needs to happen and they there needs to be
Speaker 1: accountability there. Um So yeah, no, I do think there
Speaker 1: needs There's a lot that needs to be happening there.
Speaker 1: I mean, God, will we will see something. I like
Speaker 1: to hold onto my mustard seed of hope as it
Speaker 1: pertains to the next generation. But my god, I don't
Speaker 1: think if any other prior generation has fucked up as
Speaker 1: much as as this one, and so I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: terrified for what we're handing them to. Molly, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for making time to join woke app daily.
Speaker 1: You'll have to come back again. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much. Oh, the feeling is mutual.
Speaker 1: I love seeing you. Thank you. That is it for
Speaker 1: me today. Friends on woke app as always, power to
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