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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to woka F Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. This week on wokay F,

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Speaker 1: we are reflecting on the year of hate. What is

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Speaker 1: apparent and became crystal clear in twenty twenty and as

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Speaker 1: we turn the page to twenty twenty one, is that

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Speaker 1: violence and hate are on the rise in the United States.

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Speaker 1: We would look no further than the killings, the continued

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Speaker 1: killings of unarmed black people during at the very height

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Speaker 1: of the global health pandemic that not even during that

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Speaker 1: police violence against unarmed black people. We also saw in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty our own president at that time, Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: use the Asian community as his battering ram, referring to

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen as an ethnic slur as a way to

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Speaker 1: defer responsibility for his ineptitude in taking action against COVID

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Speaker 1: nineteen when at first set its sights on the United

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Speaker 1: States and instead would blame Asian Americans for the fact

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Speaker 1: that COVID nineteen would reach our shores. During this time,

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Speaker 1: we would see an absolute and intense rise in hate

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Speaker 1: crimes against the Asian population here so much so that

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Speaker 1: there was a hashtag created Stop Asian Hate, so much

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Speaker 1: so that legislation was created to acknowledge the rise in

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Speaker 1: a continuation of the violence against Black Americans which we

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Speaker 1: have been experiencing since we were shackled and brought to

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Speaker 1: this country. We would continue to see the hatred lauded

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Speaker 1: against the Latin X community, against undocumented immigrants, against Asians,

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Speaker 1: and then once again we were to return to ye

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Speaker 1: old faithful, which is using Muslims as a pinata in

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Speaker 1: this country, particularly by Republican members of Congress, threatening the

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Speaker 1: lives of their own colleagues. You know, there was a

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Speaker 1: report that was buried a decade ago that talked about

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Speaker 1: the rise in white supremacy in America and the rise

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Speaker 1: in hate and hate groups. It was buried because, of course,

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Speaker 1: anything that mentions the word white. You know, law enforcement

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Speaker 1: intelligence agencies don't like to pay attention to They'd much

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Speaker 1: rather focus their people on the perceived enemy, right, which

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Speaker 1: has always been people of color. That's why they were

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Speaker 1: created to protect white people from people of color. The

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Speaker 1: reality is is that I don't think that the hate

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Speaker 1: we have seen thus far has even reached a fever pitch.

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Speaker 1: That's what scares me the most. We have leaders in power,

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Speaker 1: because there are leaders, and then there are leaders that

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Speaker 1: who want to create their own armies like death santis,

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Speaker 1: who praise white supremacist militia, like Donald Trump, who want

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Speaker 1: to embrace murderers like Lauren Bobert and Marjorie Taylor Green

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Speaker 1: and Matt Gates. And I wonder where it's all headed.

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Speaker 1: You know, I can remember and excuse me because I

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Speaker 1: There is a Republican member of Congress that said, well,

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Speaker 1: we have more bullets on our side because they are

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Speaker 1: itching for a new civil war. And I remember being

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Speaker 1: on Sirius XM and having a caller say, Danielle, We're

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Speaker 1: in a silent civil war right now, one that is

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Speaker 1: being fought with words and the media and enforced with policy.

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Speaker 1: You see, when we look around right now, we have

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Speaker 1: murder of George Floyd, the legislation that bears his name

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Speaker 1: because it was disingenuous to believe in the first place

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Speaker 1: that Republicans would do anything about qualified immunity, right because

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Speaker 1: you know, you put on a badge. So long as

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Speaker 1: you're not protecting the Capitol building, you put on a badge,

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Speaker 1: and you get to do whatever the fuck you want.

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Speaker 1: You get to both go through training, hold a gun,

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Speaker 1: forbid we were to dissolve qualified immunity, which would then

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Speaker 1: maybe have these officers, who we continue to refer to

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Speaker 1: as just a collective group of bad apples instead of

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Speaker 1: the poison orchard that they come from. Maybe they would

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Speaker 1: think twice about you know what Kim Potter did, which

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Speaker 1: American hate is real, and we saw its bare face

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Speaker 1: on January sixth. The screams, the racial slurs, the taunting,

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Speaker 1: the red faces, demanding their country back very reminiscent of

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Speaker 1: the lynching photos of yesteryear or present day. If you

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Speaker 1: So how many stories do we not hear about? How

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Speaker 1: You know, it was a big deal when the Lynching

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Speaker 1: It was a physical representation in Alabama that would showcase

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Speaker 1: people to have to reckon with what has been so

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Speaker 1: long buried in this country, which is why you have

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Speaker 1: Republicans right now fighting against a curriculum that doesn't even exist.

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Speaker 1: Because the mere thought of what history would look and

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Speaker 1: is enough to be a campaign tool. Your kids shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be subjected to the truth your kids shouldn't know about

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Speaker 1: the fact that black people have always lived in fucking

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Speaker 1: terror that was condoned, that was legalized for centuries. This

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Speaker 1: is what The New York Times wrote back in twenty

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Speaker 1: white supremacy, and it demands a reckoning with one of

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Speaker 1: the nation's least recognized atrocities, the lynching of thousands of

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Speaker 1: At the center is a grim cloister, a walkway with

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Speaker 1: eight hundred weathered steel columns, all hanging from a roof.

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Speaker 1: Etched on each column is a name of an American

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Speaker 1: by name, many simply as unknown. The columns meet you

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Speaker 1: were rarely given. But as you walk, the floor steadily descends.

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Speaker 1: By the end, the columns are all dangling above, leaving

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Speaker 1: you in the position of the callous spectators in old

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Speaker 1: photographs of public lynchs. Hate is not new to America.

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Speaker 1: If you are any student of American history at all,

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Speaker 1: then you would know it's what it was founded on.

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Speaker 1: of alcoholism, drug abuse, domestic abuse, and worse, suicide rates

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Speaker 1: You would never learn until maybe recently, that America had

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Speaker 1: had a legacy of stealing, kidnapping Native American children, forcing

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Speaker 1: then just end up burying them in mass graves. That's

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Speaker 1: the truth of American hate. We, of course, have many

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Speaker 1: inflection points over the course of the two hundred and

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Speaker 1: moments of great grief, like watching George Floyd take his

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Speaker 1: up is my conversation that took place in May with

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Speaker 1: the editor at Large for The Daily Beast, Molly jung Fast,

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Speaker 1: and we delve into American hate. Friends. I am so

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Speaker 1: so so excited to welcome to woka F Daily for

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Speaker 1: the very first time. My friend Molly jung Fast. You

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Speaker 1: may have read her, You read her, you listen to her.

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Speaker 1: She's the editor at Large for The Daily Beast as

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Speaker 1: Abnormal podcast with The Daily Beast. Molly, let me tell

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Speaker 1: you one, congrats on all of the stories that the

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Speaker 1: Daily Beast has been breaking left and right. I think

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Speaker 1: that the coverage has been fantastic around Republicans, around Matt Gates.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with where Republicans are right, like where we

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Speaker 1: my humble opinion, one political party and one cult. What

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Speaker 1: reactions to Biden's joint session last week and what they

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Speaker 1: What do you think the Republican Party stands for these days?

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Speaker 1: You know, that was that moment when the GOP leader

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Speaker 1: doing with Kristen Cinema and Joe Mansion, right, like they

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Speaker 1: a Democrat. Well, Mansion is a harder is a harder

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Speaker 1: You don't you can't primary Mansion. Mansion is Mansion. He

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Speaker 1: Cinema is a different story, right, because that's a very

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Speaker 1: where I live, broadband is not going to change my life,

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Speaker 1: So I don't quite know what his calculus there is.

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Speaker 1: I do think like this should fall on the Biden

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Speaker 1: voting rights bill, the H one, and like that has

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Speaker 1: you take down the temperature, you take down the temperature, right,

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Speaker 1: So if you stop, like one of the problems with

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Speaker 1: COVID and the vaccine is that Trump for so long

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Speaker 1: was pushing so many lies about the virus that like

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Speaker 1: his supporters really did get a lot of missing ration.

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Speaker 1: But if Trump goes away, you sort of have that

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Speaker 1: kind of lull. So I don't know, it could go

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Speaker 1: either way. What do you think about the replatforming situation?

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Speaker 1: And again, like you'd mentioned at the beginning, Florida going

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Speaker 1: to try and penalize social media platforms for not agreeing

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Speaker 1: with them. And this was the party of big business, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: this is the party if CEOs and shareholders as long

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Speaker 1: as they keep their mouth shut and fill their coffers.

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Speaker 1: But now these CEOs and shareholders are just like whoa,

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Speaker 1: you all are stepping a line. You have jumped the

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Speaker 1: shark in terms of like what is considered acceptable and

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Speaker 1: what is not. And so do you think that Trump

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Speaker 1: gets replatformed or do you think that social media companies

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Speaker 1: and other companies begin to sue gop legislatures. Well, it'll

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Speaker 1: be interesting, you see, right, Like there's a bunch of

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Speaker 1: things that have happened over the last week, right like

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Speaker 1: Dominions held with Newsmax, right, so they're getting ready, and

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Speaker 1: you know, once they're settling, then there's culpability. So now

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Speaker 1: Dominion can go to Fox, and Dominion can go to

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Speaker 1: Trump and Dominion, you know, they have this lawsuit and

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Speaker 1: they've really had damages, right because now red states don't

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Speaker 1: use dominion voting machines even though they're the same as

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Speaker 1: all the other voting machines, just because of a trumpy lies.

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Speaker 1: So you know, there's a lot of legal recourse for

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Speaker 1: corporations in America, And so I could see that. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how I mean, this idea that they're going

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Speaker 1: to punish social media platforms for being unsufficiently trumpy in Florida,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how that would work. I don't

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Speaker 1: even know, right, Like, I mean, it's not what are

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Speaker 1: you going to ban it from the state. You can't

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Speaker 1: get Facebook if you're in Florida, but you can get

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Speaker 1: it in Alabama. I mean, like you can't. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how. I mean, it seems like a dumb like

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Speaker 1: foura into the culture wars, you know, like Mitch McConnell

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Speaker 1: going after the sixteen nineteen project Jack, Like it just doesn't.

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Speaker 1: It seems like more of like anti virtue signaling than

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Speaker 1: actual like things you could conceivably do in the real world.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know it's the answer. Why do you

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Speaker 1: think you know? My last question for you, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you brought up the sixteen nineteen

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Speaker 1: project because let me tell you, I don't think that

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Speaker 1: I have seen outside of them attacking the LGBTQ community

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Speaker 1: in the beginning of the early two thousands, in late

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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, this type of targeted attack on a different

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Speaker 1: on the actual the true narrative of America, which is

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Speaker 1: what the sixteen nineteen Project presents. Why are they so

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Speaker 1: crazed by this? Why is it something that they are

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Speaker 1: willing to go to the mats for suspend grants, shut

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Speaker 1: down public schools like do the most so that this

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Speaker 1: Pulitzer Prise winning piece of work is not shared in

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Speaker 1: schools yeah, and it's so weird because like this is

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Speaker 1: a group that does not care about any thing, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean they totally I mean you know they care.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's sort of good they're caring about books, right,

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Speaker 1: But um no, I think it's just racism. I really do.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just like, you know, these are their hits, right,

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Speaker 1: like target someone. So like this is an easy one

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Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, we don't want our kids

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Speaker 1: to be exposed to being taught about history. Like that's

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Speaker 1: not okay. So yeah, I mean I think that's what

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Speaker 1: it is. It's it's it's enraging to me because I

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Speaker 1: feel like we have a chance to like do some

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Speaker 1: things to you know. What's interesting is like if you

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Speaker 1: see the polling right and this is like I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you saw this weekend I was reading saying

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Speaker 1: about Barack Obama. But like when Barack Obama was born,

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Speaker 1: there was like poll that like seven percent of Americans

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Speaker 1: agreed with interracial marriage. Right now it's like ninety seven percent.

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Speaker 1: Like it's so nobody care, you know. And that's like

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Speaker 1: gay marriage too, Like people were very instant. Yeah, nobody cares,

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Speaker 1: and so like they know, I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: Republicans know they're losing the culture wars, like that people

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Speaker 1: don't care what other people do with their lives because

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Speaker 1: it's none of their fucking business. Excuse my friend. And

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Speaker 1: so um, it's the situation where you have these Republicans

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Speaker 1: who are like, if we can't fight people and discriminate

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Speaker 1: against them, then what do we do? Right? And especially

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Speaker 1: because Mada corporate, I mean the corporate tax stuff. I

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Speaker 1: have to tell you, I'm starting interrupting because you please, no, go,

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Speaker 1: but the corporate tax stuff. They are fighting so hard

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Speaker 1: to keep this tax rate, like um, Biden wants to

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Speaker 1: bring up the tax rate to where it was when

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Speaker 1: Trump brought it down twenty nine twenty eight percent. Remember

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Speaker 1: it was up to mid third. Yeah, and they are

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Speaker 1: like desperately don't want this corporate tax rate race. But

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Speaker 1: they also want to punish corporations for I mean, for

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Speaker 1: saying that you know they don't want I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: just like a completely crazy thing. So it's very infuriating

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Speaker 1: to me. You know, it is very infuriating. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I know that you have like you have a son, right,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just curiously you have two. I'm just curious,

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Speaker 1: like do you see how I mean I ask this

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Speaker 1: of parents often, do you see hope in the upcoming generation?

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Speaker 1: Or are they gonna be so like outdone and over

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Speaker 1: politics and over this this kind of crap country that

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Speaker 1: we're leaving for them. It's filthy, it is, you know,

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Speaker 1: filled with police killing people. We have you know, where

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Speaker 1: we can't get people to clap for clean water and

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Speaker 1: ending of child poverty. Like do you think that your

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Speaker 1: kids generation, Like are they coming in like gangbusters and saying, so,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna take this ball over the line

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Speaker 1: or are they just like forget, forget this, We're all

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Speaker 1: out for ourselves. No. I mean I have three kids,

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Speaker 1: three teenage, and I think I mean, certainly two of

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Speaker 1: my kids are pretty committed. I mean I always say

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Speaker 1: to my kids though, because I you know, I say

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Speaker 1: to them, like, think you are so lucky, Like there

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Speaker 1: are kids your age who are getting stopt by the police, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, who are getting murdered by the police for

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Speaker 1: having like a cell phone. So I'm like always like,

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Speaker 1: you are so lucky. You have so much privilege. You

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Speaker 1: don't realize that you're sitting you know, I mean, you're

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Speaker 1: safe in a way that a whole group of people

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Speaker 1: are not. And so I think they know how lucky

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Speaker 1: they are. But I think they're also very disturbed by

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Speaker 1: how fucked up American society is. So I do think

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Speaker 1: that my kids will be involved in that. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think that I think this. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: why Republicans are sort of grabbing on so tight, it's

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Speaker 1: because they know that the next generation isn't like them, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, people largely don't care. You know, nobody can

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Speaker 1: nobody can hare ors who you marry and who you love, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's not something like I feel like people

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Speaker 1: are less and less and it's so funny because it's like,

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Speaker 1: here's a Republican party, right. They don't want you to

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Speaker 1: tell corporations they can't pollute, right, but they do want

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Speaker 1: to care who you marry, you know. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: just so I do think ultimately, I think ultimately the

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Speaker 1: younger generation is really good. I mean, the question is

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Speaker 1: do we stop the climate change stuff before it kills them?

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Speaker 1: And I don't know. I honestly I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I really don't, because every administration we kick the can

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Speaker 1: further and further down right, and we're kicking it off

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Speaker 1: of a cliff at this point with the rate that

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Speaker 1: we have glaciers melting, with the rate of forest fires.

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Speaker 1: You know, we forgot that in the midst of the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the coronavirus, there were a billion animals that

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Speaker 1: were lost on the planet from the fires that were

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Speaker 1: happening in Australia and then the fires that were happening

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Speaker 1: in California, and we just kind of went about our

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Speaker 1: business as if that's normal, and it's not. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: I just worry. I worry too. Yeah, No, I do too.

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Speaker 1: Last thing for you is, you know, what do you

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Speaker 1: think the responsibility is of media right now? Because I

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Speaker 1: still feel like media doesn't ask the right questions, doesn't

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Speaker 1: hold the right people accountable, and the flood of misinformation

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Speaker 1: makes it less so for us to get on the

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Speaker 1: same page. Well, I would say the biggest thing that

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Speaker 1: needs to happen is that the murdocks need to be

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Speaker 1: held responsible, either financially or legally for the kind of

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Speaker 1: division that they sew in American society. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know exactly how you do that, but like the fact

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Speaker 1: they are so much they push so much disinformation into

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Speaker 1: the ether that that is incredibly problematic in my mind.

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Speaker 1: So I would say that's the first thing is to

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Speaker 1: hold you know, the Murdoch's need to be I mean

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Speaker 1: it's like a joke. I mean I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: this the other day. Rupert Murdoch lives in London got

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Speaker 1: vaccidated in December lock when Murdoch lives in Australia. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these people are not living in the mess they're creating.

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Speaker 1: That is really bad. I also think like we need

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Speaker 1: a mainstream media not to platform people who supported the

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Speaker 1: January sixth insurrection and they and that means you know,

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Speaker 1: those are people like Marsha Blackburn and you know Rick

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Speaker 1: Santaur who still has a CNN deal, right Rick Santaoram

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Speaker 1: who still has a But also like the senators like

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Speaker 1: Josh Holly, like you know, Washington Post should not have

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Speaker 1: Josh Holly on a on a you know, they should

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Speaker 1: not be platforming him like the you know there, so

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Speaker 1: that needs to happen and they there needs to be

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Speaker 1: accountability there. Um So yeah, no, I do think there

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Speaker 1: needs There's a lot that needs to be happening there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, God, will we will see something. I like

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Speaker 1: to hold onto my mustard seed of hope as it

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Speaker 1: pertains to the next generation. But my god, I don't

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Speaker 1: think if any other prior generation has fucked up as

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Speaker 1: much as as this one, and so I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 1: terrified for what we're handing them to. Molly, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for making time to join woke app daily.

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Speaker 1: You'll have to come back again. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much. Oh, the feeling is mutual.

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Speaker 1: I love seeing you. Thank you. That is it for

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Speaker 1: me today. Friends on woke app as always, power to

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Speaker 1: the people and to all the people. Power, get woke

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Speaker 1: and stay woke as fuck.