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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 3: Monday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.

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Speaker 2: And we, as always have a lot to discuss with

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Speaker 2: all of you. First of all, we're.

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Speaker 3: Going to be joined in just a little bit here

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Speaker 3: bottom of this hour, so about twenty minutes or so

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Speaker 3: by Governor Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 2: Of Florida, looking Florida. Talking to the.

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Speaker 3: Governor about a lot of things happening right now, the

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Speaker 3: university issue of presidents, for example, who can't seem to

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Speaker 3: condemn the most outright anti Semitism, or at least not

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Speaker 3: in time to save their jobs. We will discuss that.

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Speaker 3: We'll turn to that story here in just a second.

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Speaker 3: We've also got jd Vance, Senator jd Vance of Ohio

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Speaker 3: joining which again much to discuss the future of the

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Speaker 3: Republican Party, the MAGA movement battle for the Senate twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four. You know, I know we're heading into the

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Speaker 3: holidays here soon, but we're going to have a little

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Speaker 3: respite and then it's going to be full blown twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four from you know, the new year.

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Speaker 2: All the way through election day.

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Speaker 3: Because this is yes, a critical election and a faceting

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Speaker 3: election with things going on that could affect this country

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Speaker 3: for decades, and perhaps a lot more than that to come.

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Speaker 3: Many Rubicon's crossed, many things happening that have never happened before,

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Speaker 3: including the indictment four times over by the leading presidential candidate.

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Speaker 3: To that end, I know Clay's going to want to

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Speaker 3: break down this des Moines Register poll out of Iowa

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Speaker 3: with a dominant lead for Donald Trump. And to be clear,

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Speaker 3: this is just what the polls are saying. This is

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Speaker 3: not anyone endorsing anyone or anything.

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Speaker 2: But he's over fifty.

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Speaker 3: Percent in this poll. And we'll look at where everyone

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Speaker 3: else stands in that is it possible to make up

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Speaker 3: the distance. But in the meantime, play I am amazed

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Speaker 3: at at how absolutely and totally dominant in the news

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Speaker 3: cycle right now the story about a Harvard president doctor

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Speaker 3: I believe what she has a PhD in like sociology

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Speaker 3: or something.

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Speaker 2: Do we know? Probably? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I not, it's not not, Yeah, it's not. She's not

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Speaker 3: she's not a neural neural surgeon. But uh, doctor Claudine Gay,

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Speaker 3: the president of Harvard University, has come under a lot

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Speaker 3: of pressure for a possible resignation. We all played for

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Speaker 3: you last week, the Elisee stephanic Uh cross examination, if

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Speaker 3: you will, a various elite university presidents m I, t U, Penn,

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Speaker 3: Harvard and posing the question is it a violation of

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Speaker 3: your code of conduct? A call for the genocide of

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Speaker 3: the Jew? Maybe we'll go back and refresh your memory

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Speaker 3: with some of those soundbites from last week, just so

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Speaker 3: you can recall. But the basics of it, Clay, as

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Speaker 3: we know, was they were like, well, it kind of depends.

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Speaker 2: There's context.

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Speaker 3: You Penn has president's already resigned. Yeah, a lot of

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Speaker 3: pressure on the MIT president to resign.

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Speaker 2: I think she's gonna go.

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Speaker 3: The president of Harvard University is female and black, and

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Speaker 3: there is a a different tone across much of the

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Speaker 3: media about whether she should actually resign as well. In fact,

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Speaker 3: there was a SNL not that SNL has anything anyone

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Speaker 3: defending these presidents. And by the way, it was horribly unfunny.

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Speaker 3: And then also you know, morally obtuse. On top of that, Clay,

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Speaker 3: what do you think happens here? Because I have a

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Speaker 3: bet with I have a bet with my brother as

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Speaker 1: So it depends, I think, on what the donors do,

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Speaker 1: because ultimately all of these universities serve at the behest

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Speaker 1: why McGill, the president of U Penn, ended up losing

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Speaker 1: her job was there was one hundred million dollar donation

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Speaker 1: that was pulled, and you start talking about hundreds of

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Speaker 1: Even though these universities have endowments of billions of dollars,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so one hundred million dollars for a fifty three

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Speaker 1: to Harvard. I do think because the leader of Harvard

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Speaker 1: is a black woman, she gets a higher standard of

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Speaker 1: misbehavior because we live in this world where you don't

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Speaker 2: That is the world we live in right now.

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Speaker 1: My big issue, though, buck, even if they all got fired,

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Speaker 1: instead of actually committing to a content neutral policy to

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Speaker 1: encourage all speech, I think that they would just now

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Speaker 1: roll up the Jewish population into their micro aggression tent,

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Speaker 1: even though obviously we know they're seeing the Jewish people

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Speaker 1: as white, and so that's the real reason they aren't

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Speaker 1: protected on campus, and we actually make the campus culture

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Speaker 2: Than it is today.

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Speaker 1: I actually, and maybe I'm in the minority here, I

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Speaker 1: actually don't have a problem with these university presidents defending

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Speaker 2: The problem to me here is the hypocrisy.

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Speaker 1: Because pen ranked I think, on the Fire Index for

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Speaker 1: free expression two hundred and forty seven out of two

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Speaker 1: forty eight out of two hundred and forty eight defending

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Speaker 1: free speech principles. So what they were doing here was

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Speaker 1: not actually defending free speech. They were illuminating their hypocrisy

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Speaker 1: and the fact that they see Jewish people as white.

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Speaker 1: And you can say whatever you want about a white

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Speaker 1: And what Jewish people are finding out is, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: we're not a preferred minority class, and so people can

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Speaker 3: I've been explaining this to friends of mine down here

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Speaker 3: because it used to be the issue of the Jews,

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Speaker 3: and and and also obviously, if you're a leftist, you

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Speaker 2: In Palestine, lighter skin in this case, and you know, we.

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Speaker 3: Always say it, but that's not even an accurate representation

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Speaker 3: put all that ignorance aside. This audience knows that we've

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Speaker 2: It many times.

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Speaker 3: You know, there are Jews from Iraq, there are Jews

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Speaker 3: from Ethiopia. But okay, Clay, I so my I took

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Speaker 3: one of my brothers that that the Harvard president will stay.

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Speaker 3: I do not think that she will go. I do

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Speaker 3: not think she'll be forced out to, you know, to

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Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not sure she's the first black female

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Speaker 2: You know, it's definitely one, definitely one. That's why she

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Speaker 2: And so it's a huge.

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Speaker 3: You know, in the eyes of the diversity and inclusion movement,

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Speaker 3: enormously important and very powerful step in the whole diversity apparatus.

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Speaker 3: And they can't you know, I just don't see how

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Speaker 2: This issue, because if if it.

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Speaker 3: Can be a problem here, you know, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: the invincibility, the invulnerable ability professionally that some some.

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Speaker 3: Whether it's in corporate America, academia. You know, there's a

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Speaker 3: whole thing. Chris Rufo has you know, hat tip Chris

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Speaker 3: Rufo has put out that it looks like she of

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Speaker 3: her disinsissertation. Yeah, not, you know, and pleet a plagiar look.

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Speaker 3: Plagiarism is, yeah, there's sort of the gray area plagiarism

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Speaker 3: of you didn't change the words enough even though you

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Speaker 2: This is block.

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Speaker 3: any other academic, if that were true, you'd be finished, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Stanford the Stanford president just got fired

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you this, a big part of this

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Speaker 2: You know, you get all the additions.

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Speaker 1: If you're Arab, if you're Japanese, underrepresented minority is what

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Speaker 1: they would classify that as right. The Asians are a minority,

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Speaker 3: I always thought it was interesting if you apply and

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Speaker 3: your Arab for example, you know you're born in Saudi

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Speaker 3: so about, can someone check what is doc doctor gay

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Speaker 3: to be clear, doctor Gay's thesis, or rather her academic discipline.

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Speaker 2: I guess that it is. I do not know.

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Speaker 3: I did not look at her bio. I had guessed

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Speaker 3: that it is sociology. Am I correct?

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Speaker 2: In government?

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Speaker 3: By the way, I'm a political science major, So I'll

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Speaker 3: just say, you know, you could kind of just coast

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Speaker 2: You know, if you want to really dig into it,

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Speaker 2: you can. You can say things true.

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Speaker 3: Of any any of the humanity, just ones maclay. People

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Speaker 2: Published on the internet. It's way easier to catch now,

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Speaker 3: Catching plagiarism now is a whole thing that nobody was

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Speaker 1: And what I'm concerned about, Buck, is that the lesson

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Speaker 3: So yeah, again, there's there's there's government, there's government, there's

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Speaker 2: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. Welcome back in everybody.

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Speaker 3: As promised, We're now joined by the Governor of Florida,

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Speaker 3: Ron DeSantis. Governor de Santis, appreciate you making the time

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Speaker 3: for us, sir. We know it's a busy time of year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well thanks for having me. You know, I'm in

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Speaker 4: live in Tellah now as governor, and they become very

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Speaker 4: big Florida State fans, and I told them a month

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Speaker 1: I saw, actually your son in the Florida State seminole

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Speaker 1: So if you were president, would you try to order

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Speaker 4: Used to bully pulpit. I mean, yea's the thing. I

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Speaker 4: it's we've had a dry spell in the state of Florida.

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Speaker 2: The top and that was that game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was that was a beat down. And then

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Speaker 4: But my view would be, if you win a Power

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Speaker 5: You know, we'll see.

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Speaker 4: Florida needs to needs to get with the program in Miami.

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Speaker 4: this other stuff. So we're proud of what Florida State did.

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Speaker 3: Governor Santis, first of all, could have said it better

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Speaker 3: You are in Dubuque, Iowa right now, we are a

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Speaker 4: And so I think that some of these things, the

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Speaker 4: So how we do the caucus is we get people

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's been taking shots at you for a while.

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Speaker 1: I think we've got to cut, I want to play

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Speaker 1: for you. But you debated Gavin Newsom a couple of

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Speaker 3: Clay didn't even think Newson was charming. He was telling

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Speaker 1: But anyway, I thought, I thought you've even made Gavin

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Speaker 2: Here is that cut, I believe we have. I wanted

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Speaker 3: He beat the hell out of RNA sanctimonious the other night,

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that and then also I know you've been

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Speaker 1: Trump said that that going in debating Hillary was incredibly

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Speaker 1: brave of him. After the viral Access Hollywood tape. And

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Speaker 1: then also I saw where Trump said that you and

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Speaker 1: Fauci were boys, which yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: I bet that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Fauci's on your Christmas card list. We

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Speaker 1: got a lot of here.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Govin, you hate.

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Speaker 4: Some of this because these are things we could hash

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Speaker 4: out in the debate if Trump was willing to debate.

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Speaker 4: But first on the Newsome stuff, no Republican in the

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Speaker 4: country thinks that that knew someone on that debate that

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Speaker 4: was it was very clear. His wife came in and

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Speaker 4: stopped it because we wanted to continue debating. She stopped it.

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Speaker 4: People recognize it. Even a lot of Democrats have recognized it.

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Speaker 4: But why does Trump's then all of a sudden, no

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Speaker 4: matter what happens, he's going to trash it. And he's

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Speaker 4: even willing to side with Gavin Newsom over that. That's

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Speaker 4: not how you build a sustainable movement that will fix

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Speaker 4: this country. You should want to see a good conservative

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Speaker 4: governors do well and other officeholders do well, regardless of

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Speaker 4: whether they're endorsing you or supporting you, are running against you.

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Speaker 4: The newso and those guys they're the enemy. You don't

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Speaker 4: side with them. And I think One of the low

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Speaker 4: moments for Trump and that Newsome debate was when Newsom

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Speaker 4: was citing Trump to attack me for being pro life.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think people in Iowa who saw that,

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Speaker 4: you know, that would be very, very very bracing. I

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Speaker 4: mean Donald Trump at the March for Life in January

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Speaker 4: of twenty twenty, he gave a speech saying, you know,

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Speaker 4: every life is a gift from God. Unborn children are

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Speaker 4: made in the image of God. There needs to be

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Speaker 4: legal protections. I mean, that's what he said. And then

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Speaker 4: now he attacks pro life protections as being a terrible,

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Speaker 4: terrible thing, and people like Newsome are weaponizing that against

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Speaker 4: now on Fauci, that's just a total lie. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you guys have followed what we did. We fought Fauci

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Speaker 4: tooth and nail. I remember June of twenty twenty, when

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Speaker 4: we started to get a COVID wave. He was saying

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Speaker 4: Florida needed to shut down. We held strong. He said

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Speaker 4: Florida shouldn't have schools open.

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Speaker 5: We held strong.

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Speaker 4: And look, I know it's sensitive for Trump because if

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Speaker 4: you look at his presidency, the low point was him

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Speaker 4: turning over the reins to Fauci during COVID. He should

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Speaker 4: have fired him. He shouldn't have had him there to

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Speaker 4: begin with. But certainly after the first few months, it

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Speaker 4: was obvious that this guy was totally out of control,

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Speaker 4: and yet they let him do that. And he even

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Speaker 4: gave Fauci an award on his last day in office

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Speaker 4: for Operation Warp Speed. And then, in terms of the

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Speaker 4: comments he made the other night, it was really bizarre.

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Speaker 4: He claimed that a general came up to him and

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Speaker 4: said that the bravest thing the general had ever seen

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Speaker 4: was Trump debating Hillary after the Access Hollywood tape, even

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Speaker 4: though he's seen soldiers make the ultimate sacrifice in battle.

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Speaker 4: I don't believe that a general actually said that to him.

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Speaker 4: I think he was saying that to try to try

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Speaker 4: to add some color. But I obviously, as a veteran,

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Speaker 4: just disagree with that debating is the bare minimum that

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Speaker 4: you do as a candidate. It's certainly not not brave

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Speaker 4: to show up to debate. And you know, we're now

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Speaker 4: in a situation where there's going to be I think

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Speaker 4: a debate in Iowa that only Trump, me and Haley

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Speaker 4: would qualify for. You know, I've said I'll show up,

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Speaker 4: We'll see if the other two show up. But I

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Speaker 4: think you should show up.

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Speaker 3: You think that if Trump were to come in second

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Speaker 3: in Iowa, would he feel compelled to debate because there's

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Speaker 3: one after that as well.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think as much as I think he should debate,

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Speaker 4: and as much as I think you know, it shows

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Speaker 4: a lack of confidence that he won't, I understand why

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Speaker 4: he's not. I mean, I think that he is in

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Speaker 4: he's living in an ecosystem where he's been able to

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Speaker 4: kind of ride through. He's obviously very well known. He's

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Speaker 4: got the corporate media that want him to be nominated,

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Speaker 4: which is a huge change from how they treated him

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Speaker 4: as president. Now they're doing differently because I think that

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Speaker 4: they think they can turn the tables as we get

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Speaker 4: into the summer and really really turn the screws on him.

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Speaker 4: I think the more Republicans think about it, I think

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Speaker 4: they're coming to that conclusion. I've seen this going for very,

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Speaker 4: very long, So I actually understand why he's why he's

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Speaker 4: not debating. He won't have to answer questions, and look,

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Speaker 4: I'm happy to answer questions about my record. I'm proud

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Speaker 4: of what we've done. We've delivered huge things in Florida.

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Speaker 4: Trump should be proud about some of the things he did.

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Speaker 4: But he also should answer questions about about Fauci, about COVID,

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Speaker 4: about all the spending. He should answer questions about Operation

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Speaker 4: Warp Speed. You know, he said Warp Speed saved one

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Speaker 4: hundred million lives. That is just not true. We've seen

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Speaker 4: I know you guys have covered a lot of the

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Speaker 4: problems with this, and that's one of the things about

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Speaker 4: going forward. The next president needs to bring a reckoning

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Speaker 4: to all these medical agencies in the federal government. They

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Speaker 4: hurt this country, They lied to this country, and they

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Speaker 4: will do it again if we let them get away

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Speaker 4: with it.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to what you said about

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Speaker 1: your Gavin Newsom debate, because I don't know that I've

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Speaker 1: heard it so Gavin Newsom's wife, because the way it

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Speaker 1: ended for people out there who have forgotten, Sean Handedy said, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's keep going. He goes to commercial break, then he

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Speaker 1: comes back and says, hey, both the parties have decided

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Speaker 1: actually that they're not going to continue, and then Sean

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Speaker 1: Hannity continued with his show. So you're saying Gavin Newsom's

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Speaker 1: wife basically like it was like Rocky she threw the

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Speaker 1: towel in and said, hey, we got to get we

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Speaker 1: gotta get We're.

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Speaker 2: Out, We're done with this, Like, what was that experience?

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Speaker 4: We were standing at the podiums. He said, you guys

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Speaker 4: want to go. I'm like, that's fine, and I guess

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Speaker 4: we had already gone over the allotted ninety minutes. But

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Speaker 4: it was fun. And that was pretty shortly after I

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Speaker 4: did the San Francisco poop map and showed that to everybody,

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Speaker 4: and so that obviously was not a good moment for him.

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Speaker 4: And so then we go to commercial break and then

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Speaker 4: there was a woman that came out and she said,

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Speaker 4: hard stop, hard stop, it's over. It's over. I didn't

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Speaker 4: necessarily know who it was at the time, but then

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Speaker 4: come to find out that you know that that it

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Speaker 4: was his wife. That they didn't want to continue with

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Speaker 4: the debate. So I was one hundred percent willing to

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Speaker 4: continue with the debate. They didn't want to do it,

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Speaker 4: but I think it was important to do the debate

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Speaker 4: because one, they're likely not going to run Biden if

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Speaker 4: if it doesn't look good for Biden, Newsom was kind

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Speaker 4: of the guy waiting in the wings. I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: after the debate that that's someone that they may want

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Speaker 4: to go with, but they're going to go with somebody

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Speaker 4: that's going to be younger, and we just got to

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Speaker 4: be prepared for that as Republicans. And he you know,

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Speaker 4: I've always said that the problem with these Democrats is

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Speaker 4: whoever runs. Newsom had had to hug Biden. We both

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Speaker 4: Sean and I made him hug Biden. He said Biden

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Speaker 4: gets an A plus great economy. All that we all

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Speaker 4: know that's not true. But if he would be the

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Speaker 4: candidate he would be, he would own all of Biden's policies.

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Speaker 4: Then he would have to own San Francisco, in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 4: in California, in the Exodus. So sent that's a lot

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Speaker 4: of baggage to be able to take into to an

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Speaker 4: election season. And I don't care how slick you are.

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Speaker 4: I don't care how much of a snake oil salesman

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Speaker 4: you are. Those facts do matter.

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Speaker 3: I got to ask over, said, it's more to let

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Speaker 3: you go. We're about to hit a hard break here.

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Speaker 3: But Gavin Newsome friendly to you when you're not on camera,

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Speaker 3: or is it is it kind of more real than that?

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Speaker 4: If you get my drift, you know it was honestly,

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Speaker 4: you know, we shook hands, we exchanged pleasantries. It wasn't

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Speaker 4: anything like okay. Well, now, in the commercial breaks, we

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Speaker 4: weren't necessarily chat ing wors in these Republican debates, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'll talk to to Christy or the Zak or whoever.

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Speaker 4: In the commercial breaks we were we weren't saying anything

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Speaker 4: during the commercial Do.

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Speaker 3: You ever do you ever feel like like you're back

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Speaker 3: at you know, back like TJ High School and you

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Speaker 3: have to separate the students when Vivek and Nicki Haley

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Speaker 3: go after each other there, it gets pretty dense.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what I mean. I think that,

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Speaker 4: you know, the last debate, you know, Nicky was not

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Speaker 4: providing very good responses, and I think the more people

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Speaker 4: have found out about or the less confidence they've had

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Speaker 4: in or with some of that. But you know the

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Speaker 4: interesting thing about the Newsom debate too, it was just

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Speaker 4: Hannity sitting there, Gavin me and then like the film crew,

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Speaker 4: there was no other human being in that little room.

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Speaker 4: And that was at Newsom's insistence. He would not debate

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Speaker 4: if there was an audience, and that was one of

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Speaker 4: the things they insisted on. And I think it's because

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Speaker 4: he knows he would have gotten booed if there was

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Speaker 4: an audience, Because it's one thing to take a liberal position,

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Speaker 4: but it's one thing to say things that are not true.

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Speaker 4: I was in Sue cent Or, Iowa, the other day.

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Speaker 4: I had a gentleman come up to me and he

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Speaker 4: just pointed at me, and he's like, you did good

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Speaker 4: against Newsom. He's like, nobody believes that California has lower

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Speaker 4: taxes than Florida. Nobody believes that, and it's true. And

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Speaker 4: he was trying to say things that we know aren't true.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we know California has got a problem with

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Speaker 4: homelessness and crime and all these other things. And so

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Speaker 4: it's one thing to try to put lipstick on a pig.

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Speaker 4: It's another thing to try to act like reality doesn't

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Speaker 4: even exist.

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Speaker 1: Florida Governor Ron DeSantis ten seconds or if it's not Newsome,

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Speaker 1: if you think Biden's out, who's the nominee gonna be?

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Speaker 4: Look, I would probably say Harris will muscle into it.

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Speaker 4: But I think you would have Pritzker, Buddha Jedge, Elizabeth Warren.

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Speaker 4: I think they'd all be scramming for it.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff, appreciate it, keep up the good work in

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Speaker 1: Iowa apologize to your son on Florida State because that

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Speaker 1: was a hit in the solar plexus there.

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 4: Take care, guys, Bye bye, thank you, well.

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Speaker 1: Do that's Florida Governor Ronda Santis will be back. Break

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Speaker 1: that down. Take some of your calls. Eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: two A two two eight A two. Next, keep out

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Speaker 1: with the guys on the Sunday Hang with Clay and

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Speaker 1: Buck podcast.

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Speaker 2: A new episode of Every Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Heads Up, Heads Up.

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Speaker 1: Buck has got a puppy in his lap. So if

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Speaker 1: held hostage by either Buck or myself. It's not a

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Speaker 1: child in danger. You don't have to look over your

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Speaker 1: shoulder and be like, wait a minute, is that the

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Speaker 1: kid in my car seat? Is that my dog? Is

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Speaker 1: is super cute.

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Speaker 3: Now she's fine, But we've reached the point here where

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Speaker 3: the puppy knows, based on the clothing that I put

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Speaker 3: on or Carrie puts on, whether it's outside time or not.

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Speaker 3: Like the second she sees sneakers getting laced up, she

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Speaker 3: goes to the front door. She freaks out. And so

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Speaker 3: she's gotten very smart. But yes, we will try to

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Speaker 3: keep her yelping to a minimum. Her cuteness is such

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Speaker 3: that she thinks she can get away with anything, and

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Speaker 3: unfortunately that is largely true.

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Speaker 2: Well, we are trying to train her now. But we

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Speaker 2: have politics to discuss.

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Speaker 1: We do have politics to things that DeSantis said that

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Speaker 1: we're very interesting in that interview we just did. And

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Speaker 1: let me give you a couple of polls that dropped

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Speaker 1: today because I do think they're significant if you're paying

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Speaker 1: attention out there that we asked him about it. Buck

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Speaker 1: did right off the top a des Moines Register.

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Speaker 2: NBC News poll.

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Speaker 1: But if you have not seen this came out early

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Speaker 1: this morning, Trump fifty one percent, DeSantis nineteen percent, Nicki

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Speaker 1: Haley sixteen percent, and then Vivek Ramaswami five, Chris Christy four.

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Speaker 1: Big drop offs there, but Trump now over fifty percent,

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Speaker 1: up eight points since the last poll they did in

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Speaker 1: late October. DeSantis up three, Nicki Haley not moving, the

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Speaker 1: A cup one not moving up. So really Trump the

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Speaker 1: biggest mover in that poll, So I think that's what're

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Speaker 1: factoring in. Also, there is yet another poll from Michigan,

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Speaker 1: this this one from CNN. It has Trump up fifty

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Speaker 1: to forty, a ten point lead for Donald Trump in

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Speaker 1: Michigan head to head against Joe Biden per The New

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Speaker 1: York Times. Now uh also Trump up five in Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Those are obviously two states that Joe Biden won.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And this is the third straight Michigan poll from high

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Speaker 1: quality national poll results. The New York Times had Trump

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Speaker 1: up five in Michigan, the epic MRA poll had him

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Speaker 1: up five, and now CNN has him up ten the

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Speaker 1: last three major polls of the state of Michigan. That

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Speaker 1: would be huge buck because correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: But didn't Trump win Michigan in sixteen by like zero

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Speaker 1: point one six percent and lost Michigan by a point

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Speaker 1: and a half or whatever in twenty twenty, so we're

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Speaker 1: not talking about Trump, you know, sort of squeezing out

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Speaker 1: a win by ten or fifteen thousand votes. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about Trump trouncing Biden by multiple points, the likes of

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Speaker 1: which we've never seen from Trump.

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Speaker 2: In sixteen, twenty or twenty four.

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Speaker 1: So reason why I raise that is I'm going to

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Speaker 1: ask you the same question that I put up as

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Speaker 1: a poll question.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe them?

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that this CNN poll that has Trump

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Speaker 1: up ten and Trump up five in Georgia? I put

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Speaker 1: up this poll and I just said, hey, is this

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Speaker 1: poll accurate? Yes or no? Do you buy it? I

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Speaker 1: want to get your read buck. Twelve thousand people have

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Speaker 1: voted into whether or not that is accurate?

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Speaker 2: So do you think this poll is accurate?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Trump is up five or more

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Speaker 1: points in Michigan right now and five or more points

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Speaker 1: in Joe if the election were today? What those polls

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Speaker 1: are telling us is Trump would win both states handily

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Speaker 1: and flip them from the blue camp to the red camp.

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Speaker 2: You buy it? I think you have to buy it.

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Speaker 3: I think you have to buy it insofar as polls are,

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Speaker 3: you know, something that we use to give us a

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Speaker 3: snapshot in time, And the more I look at what's

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Speaker 3: happening here, I think it's just all the function of

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Speaker 3: whether the indictments. I really believe that what's moving the

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Speaker 3: needle here more than anything, even including the economy, is

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Speaker 3: a revulsion among a portion of the electorate at the

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Speaker 3: Democrats indicting their top political rival. I think that right

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Speaker 3: now you'd have to say that was a dramatic miscalculation.

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Speaker 3: And the only way that that changes is if upon

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Speaker 3: a guilty verdict, because it's not going to shift just

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Speaker 3: based on what going on in normal politics. Right The

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Speaker 3: only way this changes is if there's a guilty verdict

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Speaker 3: against Trump and then somehow public sentiment becomes, well, maybe

732
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Speaker 3: it was unfair, but apparently he did the crime, so

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Speaker 3: he should do the time something along along those lines.

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Speaker 3: You Know, it's interesting to me because Governor DeSantis was

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Speaker 3: just with us and he said he doesn't think it'll

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Speaker 3: be Biden, and then you asked him, which was important, well, okay,

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Speaker 3: who will it be? And he said, Kamala. My sense

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Speaker 3: all along, and what I've been saying along is it's

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Speaker 3: going to be Biden or Kamala. They're the ticket. There's

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Speaker 3: a vice president for a reason. Joe Biden could have

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Speaker 3: stepped down at any point during his presidency for Kamala Harris,

742
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Speaker 3: and if he were to win, could step down, and

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Speaker 3: I think would step down very quickly. But the whole

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Speaker 3: point here is, well, yeah, that's the ticket as it

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Speaker 3: exists right now.

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Speaker 2: Is there going to be some other?

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Speaker 3: And I think that Gavin Newsom showing up in that

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Speaker 3: debate the way that he did made him seem like

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Speaker 3: a less.

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Speaker 2: Viable option perhaps than he had previously been.

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Speaker 3: And I think that when you start looking at the other, Okay,

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Speaker 3: you don't have to time to get on the balance

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Speaker 3: everybody that has passed for key states, you can't come

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Speaker 3: to the ballot, you're not gonna win.

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Speaker 2: So you start with that.

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Speaker 3: Now you look at well, you'd have to figure out

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Speaker 3: some kind of a replacement of Biden Harris. I don't

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Speaker 3: even know how that would go in something that would

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Speaker 3: involve the Democratic Convention. I don't know that they have.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that they have the uh, logistical acumen

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Speaker 3: to pull that off. Is that the right I don't know,

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Speaker 3: but that's I don't think they could do it. So

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Speaker 3: they're all in on Kamala Biden. And if they're all

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Speaker 3: on Kamala Biden, they must think that the ace up

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Speaker 3: their sleeve is Trump gets indicted and it's all over.

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Speaker 3: I think they may be wrong about that too. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and we started text convicted. Yeah, yeah, I was texting

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Speaker 3: with you over the weekend about this and we should mention.

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Speaker 3: And I'm going to dive into this because I'll have

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Speaker 3: time to read in one of the commercial breaks coming up.

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Speaker 3: But there's a big decision about whether Trump can be

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Speaker 3: held accountable based on you know, Trump is basically arguing

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Speaker 3: in the DC case, this is all a part of

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Speaker 3: presidential powers and I had the ability to challenge Lee

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Speaker 3: whether this was a valid election. I committed no crimes.

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Speaker 1: This is well within the scope of what presidential performance

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Speaker 1: as the duty of president would consist of.

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Speaker 2: I think that's going to go all the way to

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: And Jack Smith is now involved in making this decision.

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Speaker 2: I think if I were the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, do you think we've ever had

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Speaker 1: a Supreme Court justice listen to the show Buck? Do

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Speaker 1: you think at any point in time any of the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices have ever heard our show?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Okay, So in the event that we are ever

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Speaker 2: heard by.

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court, I will humbly give them my advice

789
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Speaker 1: for what they should do. They should set a hearing

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Speaker 1: on this to take place, and then they should allow

791
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Speaker 1: that if they set a hearing on whether or not

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Speaker 1: Trump can be prosecuted here, I would set that here.

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Speaker 1: I would drag it out, and I would set a

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Speaker 1: hearing without giving a full verdict before the election is decided,

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Speaker 1: because then you let the American public determine, Hey, who

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Speaker 1: should be the president of the United States. And then

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Speaker 1: if Trump wins, Look, he's going to dismiss all this

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Speaker 1: with his new attorney general, right, So the case in

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Speaker 1: DC is going to go away, the case in Miami's

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Speaker 1: going to go South Florida is going to go away.

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Speaker 1: If Trump wins, That's what he's going to do, so

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Speaker 1: you can avoid what he probably has to pardon himself.

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Speaker 2: I think that No.

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Speaker 1: I think that he'll just have his Attorney general dismiss

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice cases. I don't even think he'd

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Speaker 1: have to pardon himself.

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Speaker 2: But would he?

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Speaker 3: But would he be beyond the statute of limitations for

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Speaker 3: everything that, because theoretically you could then have a Democrat

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Speaker 3: president who resurrects the charges.

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Speaker 1: Even Oh, I think I think he might well pardon

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Speaker 1: himself for all perpetuity before he left. But I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying if I were advising him legally, I instead of

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Speaker 1: even getting involved in whether he has the power to

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Speaker 1: pardon right, then I would just go ahead and have

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Speaker 1: the Attorney General dismiss the cases and say we're not

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Speaker 1: prosecuting these cases.

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Speaker 2: We don't believe. But then the Supreme Court could rule.

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Speaker 1: And it's not in the middle of an election year,

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Speaker 1: So I think the Supreme Court has the ability to

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Speaker 1: keep these cases from going to trial before the election happens.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I would suggest the Supreme Court do,

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Speaker 1: because look what they should say.

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Speaker 2: I think Trump's right on the law. But if Trump.

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Speaker 1: Appointed justices come in in an election year and say

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Speaker 1: Trump can't be prosecuted for these violations, I actually think

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Speaker 1: it makes the Supreme Court seem incredibly political. And I

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Speaker 1: think if they're worried about, as Chief Justice Roberts Is

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Speaker 1: and others are worried about preserving the institutional legitimacy of

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Speaker 1: the Court, I would forestall it. Maybe you have here,

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Speaker 1: maybe you have oral arguments in October, maybe even have

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Speaker 1: it in March, and then you drag it out whatever

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Speaker 1: the timeframe might be necessary to analyze. I think having

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Speaker 1: a Supreme Court ruling on this issue in an election

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Speaker 1: year is inherently political. And look, the Court didn't choose this.

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Speaker 1: Biden and the Department of Justice put it in their

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Speaker 1: purview and made it relevant. But then they'll attack the court.

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Speaker 1: They'll say we have to stack the court. They'll say

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Speaker 1: they're running interference for Trump. I'm saying, just let the basically,

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Speaker 1: let the clock run out, keep the cases from proceeding,

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Speaker 1: and put a stay in place, and then after the

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Speaker 1: election you can decide this issue or to be moot,

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Speaker 1: because Trump will find a way to dismiss it if

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Speaker 1: he wins. If he loses, then you can rule on

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Speaker 1: whether or not the prosecution is legitimate. But buck, by

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Speaker 1: the way I said, I was going to give the

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Speaker 1: results here. Sixty three percent of people do not believe

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Speaker 1: the Sea polls. And I don't know if you've seen this,

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Speaker 1: there is a not insubstantial percentage of people out there

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Speaker 1: that believe that all of the positive Trump polls is

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Speaker 1: a rig job designed to and I don't believe this.

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Speaker 1: Let me make this clear, but there is not in

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Speaker 1: substantial you've seen this too. This is this is like

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Speaker 1: a this is a trap. I mean, it's the Democrats

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Speaker 1: playing possum or the Democrats. I've said that.

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Speaker 3: My fear is the the double envelopment at at Cana,

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Speaker 3: where the front line again nerding out here, but everyone

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Speaker 3: we got a nerd out.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes the front line.

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Speaker 3: Of Hannibal with I believe hasdrubal on the cavalry on

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Speaker 3: the side, they let the front line of the Romans

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Speaker 3: go deeper and deeper in the Romans, the front line thought,

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Speaker 3: oh my gosh, we're beating these guys, and then they

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Speaker 3: got encircled and then they got slaughtered and sixty thousand

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Speaker 3: people basically on the Roman side dead in the day.

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Speaker 3: If the then keep in mind that was a long

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Speaker 3: time ago and we still talk about it today because

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Speaker 3: it's very hard to pay off that maneuver. If the

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Speaker 3: Democrats pull pull this off, I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you got to tip the hat to the evil skills

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Speaker 3: that they have. I don't think. I don't think they're

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Speaker 3: that good either. I mean it's possible.

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Speaker 1: I don't also require that theory, and I just I

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Speaker 1: agree with you. I don't believe it, but there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who do. Sixty three percent of people

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Speaker 1: don't believe the current poll result. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: people out there that believe that that conspiracy is underway.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you could get every polster to artificially

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Speaker 1: inflate Donald Trump something that they've never done before. They've

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Speaker 1: actually undercounted trumps support historically because you're trying to encourage

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Speaker 1: Trump to be the nominee and then suddenly the polls shift.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't buy this. I think that this

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Speaker 1: is a referendum on Biden right now. There was one

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Speaker 1: number that stood out to me Buck forty eight to

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Speaker 1: fourteen in the Wall Street Journal poll. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the pollsters are Republicans, including Trump's own polsters.

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Speaker 1: So do you think they're again It just I understand

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Speaker 1: skepticism of polls. That's different than the polls are all

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Speaker 1: being rigged to tell a story that is inaccurate. But

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Speaker 1: forty eight fourteen, who has the ability to do the job?

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Speaker 1: Trump beats Biden. That's the election right now. That's why

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Speaker 1: I think they have to replace Biden. Forty eight to fourteen,

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Speaker 1: Trump is plus thirty four on does he have the

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Speaker 1: mental and physical capacity to be president? Biden is done.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Biden can win. I really don't. And

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Speaker 1: that's why I agree with the Santis that they're going

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Speaker 1: to have to replace him. I just I don't agree

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Speaker 1: with the person that he picked.

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Speaker 3: Well, if it's Kamala, I think the numbers it's worse,

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Speaker 3: keep going down now. I think that's the problem that

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Speaker 3: I don't see the third option. We'll continue to look

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Speaker 2: Cheething It Real, Cheefing It Honest. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We are

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Speaker 1: scheduled to be joined by Senator jdie Vance from Ohio

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Speaker 1: here in the New Year future. But I wanted to

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Speaker 1: mention Buck. I know a lot of you saw the

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Speaker 1: story about at least six people killed. Tornadoes swept through

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Speaker 1: the Nashville area over this weekend. Came about one hundred

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Speaker 1: yards from my sister's house north of town in the

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Speaker 1: Gallaton Hendersonville area, and I was over at her house

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Speaker 1: on Sunday and driving through her neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: The amount of damage pretty staggering.

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Speaker 1: And so I know we have a large listenership in

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Speaker 1: the state of Tennessee and all over the southeast in particular,

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Speaker 1: and frankly all over the nation. I know many people

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Speaker 1: have been paying attention to this, but it was an

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Speaker 1: absolutely devastating storm that rolled through and I went by

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Speaker 1: and saw a lot of the damage on Sunday from

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Speaker 1: from that north side of town.

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Speaker 2: So I just want everybody.

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Speaker 1: To know that in that area, we are thinking about you.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we can do something for some of the people.

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Speaker 1: I certainly will try to do my best here in

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Speaker 1: the Nashville area and Clarksville and all points around that

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Speaker 1: were that were hit associated with that. So I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that I mentioned that, And I

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Speaker 1: know it's a particularly challenging time for anyone out there

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Speaker 1: that is dealing with those sort of natural disasters as

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Speaker 1: you get closer to the holiday season. We're joined now

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Speaker 1: by Ohio Senator jd Vance and jd we appreciate the

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Speaker 1: time and you coming on with us. I just want

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Speaker 1: to jump in right off the top. I'm sure you've

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Speaker 1: seen the Des Moines Register polls now the Morning Consult polls.

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Speaker 2: Is this thing over in your mind?

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Speaker 1: And is Donald Trump going to be the nominee for

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys obviously go I'm bias signed dors Trump.

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Speaker 5: I think it was one of the first US Senators

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Speaker 5: to enorse in the cycle. I think it's been over

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Speaker 5: for a long time. The des Moines Register poll, in

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Speaker 5: my mind, just confirms that We've to remember I was

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Speaker 5: probably the worst state for Trump some of the early

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Speaker 5: primary states, and if he's already sort of clearing a majority,

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Speaker 5: then I think that's very good news for him. Now,

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Speaker 5: when I make this argument, sort of people who are

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Speaker 5: behind the Santas or Haley or whoever else will always say, well,

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Speaker 5: don't want to let the voters decide. I think it's

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Speaker 5: obviously a fair point. You do want to let the

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Speaker 5: voters decide. You know, I get one vote, you guys

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Speaker 5: get one vote. But voters, we each need to make

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Speaker 5: our voices heard on this. The counter argument here is, look,

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Speaker 5: if if the president is out to a commanding lead,

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Speaker 5: and I think that he is, you can say let

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Speaker 5: the voters decide, while at the same time saying the

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Speaker 5: party apparatus needs to prepare for the inevitable and and

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Speaker 5: you know, Desanta should run his race, Haley should run

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Speaker 5: her race. But if the president looks like the prohibitive

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Speaker 5: favorite of the voters, then maybe don't say and do

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Speaker 5: things that make it more likely that Joe Biden is

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Speaker 5: just going to use your words, put him in a

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Speaker 5: TV ad attacking the eventual nominee, or if you're the RNC,

1004
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Speaker 5: maybe we start thinking a little bit more seriously about

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Speaker 5: how to build a ballot harvesting operation nationwide, especially in

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Speaker 5: the battleground states, and a little bit less resources on

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Speaker 5: these debates that fewer and fewer people are watching. So

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Speaker 5: I think the institutional party needs to wake up and

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Speaker 5: smell the roses here and put us in a position

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Speaker 5: to win in November.

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Speaker 3: You know, j D I know you're a senator, now

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Speaker 3: you also are a former marine, and I know that

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Speaker 3: the Democrats about the enemy in that kind of context,

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Speaker 3: But they're the opposition politically, and if you're looking at

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Speaker 3: the tactics, if you're looking at politics like a battlefield

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Speaker 3: strategy issue, do.

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Speaker 2: They know something we don't know here?

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Speaker 3: Because I keep looking at this, Clay is basically saying that, like,

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Speaker 3: this thing looks like it's over that general election, never

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Speaker 3: mind the primary before it's even happening.

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting here.

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Speaker 1: Meaning I don't think Biden can be the guy, like

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Speaker 1: not necessarily that, I just I look at these numbers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know it can't it can't be Biden.

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Speaker 3: But is there something that you worry about that they

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Speaker 3: know that we don't where it can be Biden? Or

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Speaker 3: how do you think this plays out?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Look, I think the thing I worry about is the

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Speaker 5: lawfair they're de pulling against Donald Trump. I mean, I

1031
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Speaker 5: just saw the news a couple of minutes ago, actually

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Speaker 5: that Jack Smith is trying to basically petitioning the Supreme

1033
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Speaker 5: Court to rule on one of the threshold claims of

1034
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Speaker 5: his entire criminal lawsuit against Donald Trump, and basically to

1035
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Speaker 5: do it in order that he can actually have a

1036
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Speaker 5: trial that runs its course before the American people get

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Speaker 5: to vote. Like, what better evidence do we need that

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00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 5: this is all about politics, It has nothing to do

1039
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Speaker 5: with justice. So yeah, I worry about the dirty tricks

1040
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Speaker 5: they're going to pull more than anything. I look, clearly

1041
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Speaker 5: Biden has a lot of issues electorally. But my assumption

1042
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Speaker 5: here is that even it is Biden, and I think

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Speaker 5: it will be I think it's very hard for Democrats

1044
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Speaker 5: to change course this late in the game. But who knows.

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Speaker 5: But even if it is Biden. I think it's probably

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Speaker 5: going to be a decently close election. We can't sort

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Speaker 5: of rest on our laurels here just because the polling

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Speaker 5: load's good for Donald Trump. You're out. But the way

1049
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Speaker 5: they're going to take him down, I think is pretty

1050
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Speaker 5: clearly using the Department of Justice in order to do it.

1051
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Speaker 5: They've already telegraphed the play here, which is why I

1052
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Speaker 5: think Republicans, Look, whoever your candidate is, I think for

1053
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 5: most of us at this point it's Donald Trump. But

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Speaker 5: we can't sort of give in to the law fair

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Speaker 5: and say we're going to let Jack Smith and Merrick

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Speaker 5: Garland decide who our nominee is going to be. I

1057
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Speaker 5: hear this from a lot of Conservatives, who I think

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Speaker 5: are fundamentally good people. They'll say, well, I'm so worried

1059
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Speaker 5: about the legal lawsuits against Donald Trump that I want

1060
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Speaker 5: to pick a different candidate. Well, then aren't you just

1061
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Speaker 5: letting this corrupt Justice Department choose your nominee for you.

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Speaker 5: We have to get it out there, we have to

1063
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Speaker 5: talk about it. We have to make the American people

1064
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Speaker 5: aware of the fact that they really are using the

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Speaker 5: Department of Justice to engage in election interference. That to

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Speaker 5: me is the game we have to play, because that's

1067
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Speaker 5: the game the Democrats are going to push on Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Jad. I'm sure you saw it.

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Speaker 1: The Axios report said that you are one of the

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Speaker 1: top contenders to be Donald Trump's vice presidential pick. I

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Speaker 1: know you probably are enjoying your time in the Senate

1072
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Speaker 1: and you just got there. If Trump is the nominee,

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Speaker 1: would you be willing to leave the Senate to work

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Speaker 1: somewhere else or are you pretty much buckled down and

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Speaker 1: you think the most advantageous use of your skills would

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Speaker 1: be to stay in the Senate no matter what, jih Man, I.

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Speaker 5: Really like my job and I want to stay in

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Speaker 5: the Senate. That said, of course, if Trump asked me,

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Speaker 5: I'd be an idiot not to consider it. I'd be

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Speaker 5: very honored by the ask. But I do think that

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Speaker 5: we have to remember that one of the big problems

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Speaker 5: of Trump administration round one was that you had congressional

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Speaker 5: Republicans actively fighting the agenda. I think, especially on the

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Speaker 5: things I care most about, which is the border, which

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Speaker 5: is our trade policies, especially VSA v China. You can't

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Speaker 5: have a Republican set of legislators that it is actively

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Speaker 5: fighting against the people's elected president. So I think it's

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Speaker 5: important that we have you know, America first style conservatives

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Speaker 5: in Congress pushing the agenda legislatively. That's the goal of

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Speaker 5: of of me personally, That's the way I think I

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Speaker 5: can best serve the people of Ohio who elected me.

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Speaker 5: But certainly, like I'm going to help President Trump get

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Speaker 5: over the finish line. And if he asked me, I'm

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Speaker 5: not going to pretend. You know, you always hear these

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Speaker 5: politians like, oh well, you know they've turned to him

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Speaker 5: and hollng get out of the answer. I'm going to

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Speaker 5: think about it if he asked me, But I don't

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Speaker 5: think that he will. And I think that my best

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Speaker 5: role is to be a senator.

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Speaker 2: You know, JD.

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Speaker 3: There's been a lot of back and forth about Ukraine recently,

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Speaker 3: whether it's just on the debate stage of the of

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Speaker 3: the primary or you know, in the course of the

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Speaker 3: news cycle and the congressional funding for it.

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Speaker 2: Where are you on that right now?

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Speaker 3: And I mean we just talked about the possibility of

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Speaker 3: you may be being part of the executive branch, but

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Speaker 3: what you are or not, you're certainly a voice on

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Speaker 3: this issue that people on the right are going to

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Speaker 3: be hearing from and should pay attention to. Do you

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Speaker 3: think that we've reached a new phase where people are

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Speaker 3: recognizing that the Ukrainian resistance, hope for glorious somebody may

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Speaker 3: think it is or whatever, is not going to be

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Speaker 3: able to actually beat Russia in this fight, or where

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Speaker 3: do you put this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 5: People were starting to wake up and smell what's actually

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Speaker 5: going on here, which is whatever bravery we might commend

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Speaker 5: on the Ukrainian side, it's clearly not going to be

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Speaker 5: enough to return Russia to the nineteen ninety one borders.

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Speaker 5: I've been saying this for a while, but you even

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Speaker 5: see members of Zelenski's own government, the leader of his

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Speaker 5: military said recently that there's no way they can decisively

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Speaker 5: beat Russia on the battlefield. This thing has been a stalemate,

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Speaker 5: and as I said repeatedly, everybody with a brain realizes

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Speaker 5: that this was always going to end in negotiation. Where

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Speaker 5: you draw the line, how the fighting stops, how you

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Speaker 5: hopefully prevent the fighting from picking back up again and

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Speaker 5: the war from restarting was going to be the subject

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Speaker 5: of a major negotiation, obviously between the Russians and the Ukrainians,

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Speaker 5: but also between the Americans, between NATO and a lot

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Speaker 5: of other interested parties. The fact that we have tried

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Speaker 5: so hard to convince the American people that a country

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Speaker 5: with a fifth of the population of Russia was going

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Speaker 5: to be able to throw them back to the nineteen

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Speaker 5: ninety one borders, or you have even some insane people

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Speaker 5: on the American side saying that we were going to

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Speaker 5: depose Vladimir Putin and do regime change in Russia, which,

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Speaker 5: by the way, is scary because maybe the first thon

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Speaker 5: you get is better than Putin. Maybe the first thing

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Speaker 5: you get is worse than Putin with his finger on

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Speaker 5: the nuclear trigger. So yeah, I think we're waking up here.

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Speaker 5: The thing I'd encourage all your listeners to appreciate here

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00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 5: is that if this goes on much further, Ukraine will

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Speaker 5: become a rump country that completely depends on Western support

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00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 5: to even function, to pay its retirees, to do the

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Speaker 5: basic tasks of civil government like repair the roads and infrastructure.

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Speaker 5: The average age of a Ukrainian soldier is forty three.

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Speaker 5: That's only increasing. They don't have nearly enough young men

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Speaker 5: to keep on fighting. They don't have nearly enough people

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00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 5: to run a country of their size. This gets worse

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Speaker 5: and worse the longer it goes on, which is why

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Speaker 5: I think we should be bringing it to a rapid close.

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Speaker 2: JD.

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Speaker 1: You've got a really good legal background, and you mentioned

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Speaker 1: the jack Smith appeal to the Supreme Court, and I

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00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: know a lot of our audience is having we try

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Speaker 1: to keep them updated. But there's so many different legal

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Speaker 1: maneuverings and complicated legalities there. What do you think the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court should do? I think you probably agree with

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Speaker 1: me and with Buck that there's no way Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: should be standing trial in this ham handed campaign of

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Speaker 1: the Democrats to try to use lawf air against him

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Speaker 1: in an election year. But now that the Supreme Court

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00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: is getting drawn in that, they're being asked, hey make

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Speaker 1: a ruling on whether this is within the scope of

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Speaker 1: Trump's presidential powers or not, i e. Whether he can

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Speaker 1: even be prosecuted at all. You know, if they say

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Speaker 1: he can't, then they're going to say, well, of course

1170
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Speaker 1: not Trump appointed three of these judges. They're going to

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Speaker 1: attack the legitimacy. They may even say, this is why

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Speaker 1: we need to pack the court. Pretend that you are

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Speaker 1: a Supreme Court Justice right now, you understand all of

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Speaker 1: these different swirling dynamics, how, in your mind, is the

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Speaker 1: best way the Supreme Court could handle the situation.

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Speaker 2: That Jack Smith and the Democrats are putting them in. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So, look, I'm hardly an expert on the law here,

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Speaker 5: so I don't want to pretend that I know all

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Speaker 5: the ins and outs. But there are two basic things

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Speaker 5: that I think the Supreme Court could do. So obviously,

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Speaker 5: it could take up the case as I understand it

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Speaker 5: and say, look that president has broad immunity here. Presidential

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Speaker 5: powers cover everything that he did, and they throw out

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Speaker 5: the case. I would obviously be very happy with that.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if that's something the Supreme Court's actually

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Speaker 5: going to do, But the worst and most important thing

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Speaker 5: for the Supreme Court to avoid is to weigh in

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Speaker 5: and to do it in a way that's politically expedient

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Speaker 5: for Jack Smith. You can't have the Supreme Court sort

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Speaker 5: of jump into this thing, because normally you expect a

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Speaker 5: low repellate court to hear this before the Supreme Court

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Speaker 5: even considered it. So what you really can't have is

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Speaker 5: for the Supreme Court to jump the gun, to hear

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Speaker 5: this thing early, and to do it in a way

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Speaker 5: that enables Jack Smith to get what I think is

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Speaker 5: fundamentally a fraudulent trial through by election day. Because again,

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Speaker 5: this is the thing that I actually do worry about,

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Speaker 5: is all of this lawfare, and the Supreme Court shouldn't

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Speaker 5: participate in it. At the very least, that should be

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Speaker 5: the bare minimum mask of a Supreme Court that's applying

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Speaker 5: the law.

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Speaker 2: JD. Vance Centaer from Ohio. JD.

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Speaker 3: We're going to be needing to talk to you this year.

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Speaker 3: Things are going to get kind of crazy in the election,

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Speaker 3: So come back soon.

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Speaker 5: All right, Thanks, gentlemen, take care, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: True story.

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Speaker 3: I just got a text message right before the show,

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Speaker 2: a scam. Oh oh there we go. That that confuses things.

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Speaker 2: So I get this thing.

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