WEBVTT - LISK (Long Island Serial Killer) Panel: A Zone 7 Discussion 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:14.320 I loved Miss Mitchell, my sixth grade teacher, for many reasons, 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.920 but one thing she used to always do for us 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:22.600 made me feel so much more confident on my projects. 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:25.840 About a half hour before the bell would ring and 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.440 our projects were due, she would say, now, y'all, get 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:33.240 you a buddy and let that buddy review your work 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.319 and they can make two free changes or corrections. So 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.960 if you mispelled a word, or didn't have a common 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.800 in the right place, or you needed to fix that 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:47.880 dangling modifier, now is your time. And then she would 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.920 give you the opportunity to do that with a friend. 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.880 And I can hear her right now, she would say, class, 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.200 it's time to find the buddy and get a new 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:03.360 viewpoint on your project. A different outlook's important. Let your 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:07.640 friends help you. They have good judgment. This is how 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:14.440 I feel about tonight's panel. They have great viewpoints, They 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:19.640 are solid in their understanding of how these cases work, 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:24.160 how to interpret what's happening, and they have outstanding judgment. 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:27.040 I have asked them to help me with this project 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:31.440 to understand what is going on with the Long Island 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.640 serial killer. Now, just to give you all a quick overview, 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:39.560 the first victim Gilbert, twenty four, was last seen May one, 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.000 twenty ten. She wanted to be an actress. At the 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:46.479 time of her disappearance, she was working as a sex worker. 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:51.960 Police started to search for her along Ocean Parkway. Shockingly, 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.560 four more bodies were discovered over a three day period 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.280 of time. All of the remains were in about a 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:04.080 half a mile roughly five hundred feet apart. Now experts 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:09.600 recognize this as possibly a dumping ground for a serial killer. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:12.560 There was virtually no doubt in my mind that's what 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.080 it was. Police began to link some of the other 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:21.400 victims their profession, the area they were taken from, in 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.960 the area they were disposed in. Another victim, Waterman, twenty 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:28.079 two years old, was from Maine, but she had been 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:32.600 working as an escort off Craigslist. Three other victims Barns, 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:37.280 twenty five year old from Norwich, Connecticut, another victim twenty 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:42.360 four from the Bronx, another victim twenty seven from Long Island. 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:48.760 They were all working as sex workers. April fourth, twenty eleven. 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:53.800 By now, law enforcement has recovered eight women and one 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:59.560 man who was wearing women's clothing. December thirteenth, law enforcement 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:05.280 announced Gilbert's remains have been identified. January sixteenth, twenty twenty, 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:09.080 police released the first major clue to the public. Now 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.960 I'm gonna tell you all right now, I thought this 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.400 piece of evidence was going to break this thing wide open. 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:20.120 It was a leather belt, but it almost looked like 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:25.399 an old piece of clothing, something that a grandfather would 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.480 have had, and it had letters on it, and nobody 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:34.280 knew whether the letters were WH or HM. But I thought, 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:37.160 there's got to be DNA on it. There might be 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:43.080 some blood on it, but surely somebody's gonna recognize that 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.880 in a family, it looked like an heirloom. July thirteenth, 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:52.440 twenty twenty three, unarrest was finally made, and tonight we 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:57.040 have one of the best panels to come together and 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:01.200 look at this thing from a three sixty one vortex. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.720 Like I've talked about in the past, every different possible 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:08.080 avenue that I can think of right now is coming 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:12.760 to the table. I'm lucky enough to not just admire 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.200 these folks and get to work with these folks, but 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:22.279 they are genuinely my friends and solidly in my Zone seven. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:29.320 I'm gonna start with retired NYPD Sergeant Joseph Jackloone. He 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.279 was in the Bronx as the head of their cold 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.520 case squad. He was part of the cold case task 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.400 Force in the homicide Unit. He taught at the Homicide 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:43.160 School for NYPD. He is, without a doubt, somebody that 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.960 can take a ton of information and funnel it down 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:52.040 in the simplest form. He is a professor at the 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.320 John Jay College of Criminal Justice, and he has a 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.719 teacher's heart. You can hear it when he talks and 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:02.520 explains these cases. Has just kind of, I think, blown 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.760 my mind on a couple of levels. But you and 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.560 I know, and we've talked before, that at a rest 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.880 doesn't mean the investigation is over. So can you talk 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:18.000 a little bit about what law enforcement is doing after 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.280 they have this person in custody. 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.200 So when you're building a case, whether it's an ordinary 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.039 case or a cold case like this with lots of 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.240 moving parts and victims, you always have to present the 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.040 case as if this is going to trial, because in 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.760 this situation, it will. Even when you have a case 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.320 that is ten years old and you don't think you're 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:39.160 ever going to solve it, you're always preparing for that 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:41.919 day and you got your eyes and cross your t's 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:43.400 and you have to make sure you have all your 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.800 inculpatory evidence and your exculpatory right things that include and 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:51.120 exclude suspects, because the defense attorney is going to be 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.080 going after certain things and saying it's not my guy, 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.400 which is the defense attorney is already doing right. They 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.800 got the wrong guy at somebody else. So that's why 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.160 it's very important to make sure you the case buttoned up. 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:05.599 Now we see law enforcement again. They're going to storage rooms, 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.280 they're looking at his vehicles, they're digging in the backyard. 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:12.159 They've already identified these burner phones and computer searches and 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:16.159 the guns. As you're kind of wading through some of this, 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.599 what do you think right now is the most intriguing 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:21.920 piece of evidence to you? 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.359 Well, right now, I want to know what they found 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.440 in the storage facility. Right, So they went to the 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.960 storage facility and then a few hours later the a 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.599 medical examiner showed up. So to me, that was a 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.640 definitely red flag. I mean, you don't call the medical 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.240 examiner unless you find something that needs to be examined 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.680 by them. So it was a very interesting aspect of things. 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.080 And if the anthropologist would have showed up, I probably 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.359 would have fallen off my chair. So yeah, the issue 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.320 that comes down to is, like I've done a number 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.800 of cold case digs. When I was working doing this stuff. 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.880 We always had the medical examiner or a medical legal 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.479 investigator which people refer to as an MLI at the 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.480 scene while we start. But you know, in New York 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.960 City there's a lot of different mlis that you can 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.159 do it. In Suffer County, it's a much smaller place 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:06.200 and they might not have one available, so that could 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.359 have been a reason why they called them after the fact. 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.640 But still it is a very intriguing We know from 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:17.640 past cases serial killers could hold trophies back. That kind 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.560 of material would be extremely important to this case specifically. 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.960 There are a number of other victims that haven't been 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.440 attributed to him. That doesn't mean that they will be, 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.640 but you know as well as I do, that they 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.760 need to make sure that they have the right guy 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:35.160 for a lot of different reasons. 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.239 You and I were texting each other in the instant 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.320 message system. I don't even know what it's called, but 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.040 we were in live time talking to each other when 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.040 the medical examiner showed up, and I'm going to tell 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.640 you I about did fall out of my chair because 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.440 to your point, he ain't called but for one thing, 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.200 and that's for some type of body. 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:59.520 Part, exactly right. So that was a really foretelling kind 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.680 of issue for me anyway, And I think, you know, 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:04.360 a couple people picked up on it, But as soon 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.520 as I saw that on the TV, I tweeted it 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.560 out and the thing went crazy on it because everyone 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:14.240 knows pretty much what that means. We have a lot 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.560 of we have a lot of faith right now going 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.280 on in this investigation, just from the base of the 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.760 quality of the investigation on the digital forensics and the 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:27.080 DNA and everything else. So this was an especially unique 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.680 opportunity to see exactly what's transpiring. 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:36.880 Doctor Jonie Johnson, the forensic psychologist, PI author, crime writer. 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:41.360 She's gonna help us maintain this balance that all of 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:45.600 these cases have at least two sides. All right, doctor Joni, 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:47.800 I'm gonna come to you pretty quick out of the gate, 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:51.720 because you got to tell us about this guy. How 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:58.400 do you function as a professional, raise children, maintain a marriage, 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:02.600 and at the same time be this predatory killer. 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:08.920 It is pretty astonishing how much some people can compartmentalize 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.280 different parts of their lives. And this is clearly if 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:14.880 this person is the perpetrator, and there seems to be 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:19.000 a tremendous amount of evidence suggesting that's true. He truly 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.800 was a master at it. I mean, this is somebody, 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:23.880 like you said, he's married, he's got children, he has 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.800 a successful business, and yet there seems to be this 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.880 secret life that is completely separate from his day to 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.280 day operation. You know, I've had several police officers, I'm 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.439 sure you can relate to this, probably Cheryl, who will 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:38.360 talk about being at a homicide scene and then going 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.160 home and hugging their you know, small children and just 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.959 having to take off mentally one hat and put another 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.720 one on and just slip into a different role. This 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:50.240 is obviously an extreme version of that. 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.360 That's a good point. Do you think we're going to 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:54.800 see the serial killer hat trick? You know, when they 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:56.880 want to control and they want to dominate, and they 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:00.800 want to, you know, just have this whole function where 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:05.880 they're manipulating people and dominating their victims and controlling the situation. 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.240 Do you think we're going to see aspects of that 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.240 as they go through some of the things that he 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.760 has been accused of doing already, and some of the 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.960 people that are coming forward telling stories about how he 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:17.720 approached them. 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.040 Yeah, I think that's interesting that so many people are 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.280 coming forward. We have to take that just a little 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:23.880 bit with the grain of salt, because we know that 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.760 when we know the kind of outcome of what's happened recently, 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:28.280 it's easy for people to kind of go back and 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.319 remember things. But the thing that stands out the most 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.800 for me in terms of the evidence so far is 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:39.800 just the amount of sadism and cruelty that seem to 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:44.200 be in this perpetrator, all the way from the pornography 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.000 and some of the searches that he was making to 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.240 just taunting the family of his victims. I mean, that 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.959 is so scary because that suggests that this really is 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.240 every person's worst nightmare. 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.880 One thing that stuck out to me is when they're 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.280 taking items out of the home. There was one Playboy 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:06.400 magazine and it looks like it's the issue that had 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:11.040 the last pictures of Marilyn Monroe, the nude pictures. If 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.800 that's the case, that magazine is from the eighties, and 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:18.280 that's where he would have been a much younger man. 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.079 And again there's some people that think she was murdered, 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:26.960 you know, perhaps tortured. So if that's something he's reading 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.960 as a young person, and it's something he has kept 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:34.760 in Christine condition, again, this is something that he does 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:35.720 full time. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:39.120 Well, I would be very surprised to learn that he 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:43.480 started killing in his forties. I mean, we all know 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.760 that murder seems to be a young person's gang for 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.040 the most part, and most serial killers start in their twenties, 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.640 you know, early to mid twenties, sometimes even their late teens. 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:58.000 So I am hoping that I'm wrong and the evidence 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.959 will not such port that, but I would certainly put 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.360 a dollar on it that this was not his first 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.719 radio in terms of two thousand and seven. 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:13.439 Y'all know Lisa Rabbikoff, she's been here before, polygrapher, polygraph examiner, 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.720 polygraph expert. She's going to figure out whether or not 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:20.200 you're line to the best of her ability, Lisa rabbit Cough, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:25.600 if he was willing to talk, what questions would you 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.760 have for him and in what order? 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.360 The first question I'm not going to ask him is why, 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.120 because that's not the answer that he's going to be 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.720 forthcoming with right off the bat. It's definitely going to 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:42.439 take a seasoned investigator with an extensive training in interviewing 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:46.319 as well as interrogation to go ahead and reach the 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:51.080 rapport with him to acquire that information. I think that 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:55.880 if more and more evidence ties him to additional victims, 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.360 that eventually he is going to start singing and he's 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.679 going to start give over some details. But right now, 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.880 just taking a look at his booking photo, we know 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.640 working in the industry that usually the eyes tell a 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.440 story behind a lot of different things. His booking photo, 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.480 if you take a look at his mouth, he kind 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.720 of has some sort of a smart and a smile 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:20.960 to it, which definitely is very unsettling given the fact 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:25.080 that his first comment in court when his counsel was 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.560 assigned to him by the Suffolk County eighteen a felony 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:32.840 panel was is this on the news? So he's more 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:37.120 so looking as I believe in the limelight of what 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.080 is my reputation? What do people think about me? And 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.839 he's going to care more about the public perception of 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:46.920 him as an individual. The questions that I would focus on, 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.720 I would probably start discussing his family. I would start 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.760 talking about the relationship with his children. The media has 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:57.040 outlined that he does have his daughter, Victoria, who was 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:01.319 an employee at his firm in the working in Midtown 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:06.800 as graduate from NYIT. She does have a background in 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:13.240 online and technical I guess photoshop illustrator kind of doing 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:16.280 visual effects, which could play into her role at the firm. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.280 But he does have his son, as per the media reports, 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.520 with special needs, and there isn't much information that's coming 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.160 out regarding him, so I would definitely want to discuss 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.960 and play into his fatherly role and get him comfortable 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:34.240 talking about the dynamics. I would also not start discussing 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:38.360 with him his first marriage, because obviously there is a divorce. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.200 I don't want to go ahead and possibly draw bad 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.200 blood and get him to shut down and start being 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:46.720 accusatory as to maybe infidelity or reasons that he could 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.000 have been at fault for that termination of marriage. But 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:53.479 I would definitely go about discussing his family, his history upbringing, 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.880 but also not going into questioning whether or not he 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.960 was ever a victim of any sexual or physical abuse 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:03.040 from family members or anyone in his life, because again, 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.200 rapport is the biggest thing. When we need to go 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.360 ahead and have a suspect discuss anything with us. 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.240 That's an excellent point, and I think, look at his 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.520 double life starting with the light that he would not 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.680 be in any way hesitant to talk about is brilliant. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.880 Yeah, I think from my perspective, Look, so I was 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:22.200 part of a detective squad, and of course the cool 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.800 cause squad, I might have taken an approach where having 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:30.000 a female detective do my interview for me and see 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.560 how that would go in regards to if he wants 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.600 to try to manipulate her or dominate her and that 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:37.520 kind of thing, or really kind of get under his 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:39.840 skin that way too. So I think that might be 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:41.720 a tactic that I would have used, and we don't 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:42.960 know if if they use that. 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:47.520 Yeah, I like that all day. We have a special, special, 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:51.840 special guest. We met, we became buddies. She's somebody that 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:55.440 I rely on to kind of keep me balanced in 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.720 what I say, because again, sometimes in my world, I 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:02.720 can just see a perpetrator and that's sometimes how I 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.360 talk about them, that they're guilty before the trial starts. 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:11.280 But Carrie Rawson is the daughter of the BTK killer. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:13.840 I think she's one of the bravest people that I know, 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:18.520 because again I'm somewhat guarded when it comes to private information. 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.440 I'm not one of those people that shares intimate details 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:26.200 of things. And it always amazes me when somebody so 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.960 willingly will just come out and say, this was the 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.600 darkest moment of my life and I'm going to tell 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.880 you all about it, and she opens herself up I 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:40.400 think in just a tremendous caring way, because she's actually 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:44.280 given us information. I think it's a tremendous help. 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.720 I also would interject to use the tactic not only 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.720 of a female, but like you've got to come in 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:55.120 from a level of respect, like like you all know 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:56.920 what I mean, Like you have to wall off that 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:00.200 horror that's going on in your insides. Why you're like 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.800 you have to respect them and meet them face to face, 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.560 and you almost have to seem almost well by like 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.679 what they've done and like you're like, wow, can you 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.600 tell me more about that? Like why are they wrapped 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:17.040 in burlap? And you know how you know you don't 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.360 make me go to count right away, but like you 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:22.600 show like genuine interests and you can't fake it. But 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.520 these guys can see like right through to your souls, 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.879 So you have to be like walled off, prepared, and you. 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.040 If you don't know your stuff, they're. 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:34.080 Gonna just call you out and they're gonna be like, Nope, 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:35.080 I'm talking to somebody else. 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:36.159 I'm not talking to you. 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:40.560 And Carrie, that's a great point we also have with us. 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:45.480 Mike Morford, we call him more. He's a podcast extraordinary, 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:52.000 that podcast Criminology. Check it out. It's unbelievable. And tonight 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.680 he's bringing all of his brilliance right here for us. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.080 I want to talk a little bit about how important 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.880 podcasters have been on this case, the media in general, 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.119 but podcasters specifically. 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.400 Well, I think it's important when you want to get 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.920 the word out about, you know, a case, if you're 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.879 an investigator that's wanting to get this out to more people, 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.439 so more people talk about it, shared on social media, 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.960 provide clues, come forward with tips. You know, a podcast 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.480 is you know, a tremendous way to do that. You know, 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.320 you can advertise on TV, you can put it on 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:32.760 all the news shows you want. But you know, if 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.639 you're not tapping into something like podcast that millions of 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:41.520 people listen to, you're missing out on a good option 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:43.639 for getting more attention for those cases. 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.399 And I tell people all the time. Everybody has a gift. 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:51.040 Somebody's vocation or advocation could assist in some way that 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.960 you don't even know as possible. And some of the 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.520 graphics that I've seen, some of the maps, have blown 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:01.920 my mind that Seville, for lack of a better term, 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:03.560 have put together on this case. 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.160 Yeah, there's no doubt that when you get a collective 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.879 of people with different skills, different backgrounds that are able 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.200 to help move case forward, it's a good thing and 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:18.920 it lends itself to possibly being solved easier because you're 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:24.600 getting that much more attention for it. 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:27.760 Now, Carrie, I want to go back to you for 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.080 a second, and I know this is not easy. I 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.480 know that you don't take any joy from this. This 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:36.520 is not something you look forward to doing, so right 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:38.520 off the bat, I want to tell you I appreciate 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.000 you being here, and I do think you're one of 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.960 the bravest people that I know, because you are so 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.280 willing to share a part of your life that was 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:52.040 just horrific, but for the purposes of what we have 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:57.200 understood happened on Long Island. Talk to us about that 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:58.160 knock at the door. 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:02.199 So it's my hope for a Rexist family that. You know, 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.760 we were told he was arrested Thursday night. So it 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.280 is my hope that they went and quietly notified the 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:12.600 family and gave them Thursday night and then had them 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:17.159 hunkered down away from media by Friday morning. You know, 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:19.800 I'm hearing that maybe they weren't quite ready for media 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.600 to break as early as as it did, so there 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:25.679 was a bit of a management scramble, I think on 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:33.399 Friday for Long Island. For in my case, they had 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:35.359 been looking for my dad for thirty one years for 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:38.399 murders from seventy four to ninety one. Then he was 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.520 playing games for about a year when he came back 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:45.040 so FBI KBI, which everybody was looking for him, and had 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:49.040 like this massive DNA swabamon and a bunch of insanity. 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:51.359 So they narrowed it down to my dad about a 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:53.960 week before they arrested him due to a floppy disk. 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.600 Then they got my DNA and so that came back 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:01.040 that Thursday night that it was match to my dad, 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:05.720 and so the next morning then they had concocted a 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:07.520 plan and they arrested him on his way home for 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.800 lunch and then around the block. Then they went and 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.800 knocked on my mom's door at the very same time. 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:15.920 Then an FBI agent notified. 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:19.400 Me in Michigan and went to went to Connecticut to 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.879 notify my brother at the Navy. So they they planned 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.000 it with the FBI so that nobody could talk to 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.879 each other. And so when I was I didn't even 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:31.080 want to let the FBI agent into my house and 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.200 then he literally just dropped the bomb on me that 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:36.119 Dad was BTK and they didn't let us talk to 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:38.320 each other. I didn't even get ahold of family till 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:39.640 like later that evening. 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:41.919 They didn't. They they needed to. 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:44.240 Clear us before we could start talking to each other. 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:47.280 So they like they were real careful about that. But 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:51.400 like when you're talking about potentially what long Island's family 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:55.120 is going through, I mean you're just talking about utter 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:58.040 freaking hell and shock, like it just lands on you 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:01.680 like a bomb. And call it the before and the after, right, 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.119 And so we have before Dad was arrested and after, 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:07.600 and I still do that. I just have to say 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:09.720 before or after, and everybody knows what I mean. 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:11.840 Sergeant, I want to go back to you for a second, 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:14.560 and I want to ask you, when you're working a 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:18.680 task force like this, how difficult, is it to get 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.720 everybody to stay on the same page and move as 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:23.760 one systematic unit. 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:26.439 Yeah, that's the million dollar question, right, And this is 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:29.600 just not you know, one department, right. So you had 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.600 the state Police, you had the FBI, you have Suffolk County, 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:36.480 you have Nassau County. You have probably the Park's rangers 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:39.199 on this too, because that's I believe that's where the 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:43.480 who's really in control of that landown there. So you 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:47.800 have so many different agencies, so many different egos, so 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:49.960 many different things going on. I think it's just a 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:53.880 testament to the Police Commission in Suffer County, Rodney Harrison, 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:57.639 for putting this team together, inviting the right people, and 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:00.840 being able to control all of that fo of information 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.640 and making sure that nothing slipped through the cracks. As 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:05.760