Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal Hell that for me.
Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,
Speaker 2: I want to be happy. You want to be happy
Speaker 2: for day Ato State?
Speaker 1: Is that? Whoo whoo? And them and tie Dan Rubinstein.
Speaker 1: The calendar has officially turned to July.
Speaker 3: I notice.
Speaker 2: I notice because ESPN updated its college football standings page,
Speaker 2: which I that's it might as well be like somebody
Speaker 2: in Bristol or whoever runs their website, like we're seeing
Speaker 2: a lot of unusual activity from the north shore of
Speaker 2: Chicago because I'm on that page every day, Like, oh right,
Speaker 2: Cincinnati's in the Big twelve. Oh right, Army made the
Speaker 2: move to the American Oh and so like when we
Speaker 2: are thinking of show topics and like organizing teams and
Speaker 2: players and coaches and storylines in our head. I'm at
Speaker 2: the age now where I just have to like I
Speaker 2: might print that out like we used to print out
Speaker 2: map quest pages sure in the nineties, and just tape
Speaker 2: it to my wall, like I'm investigating college football and
Speaker 2: draw yarns from team to team because that is extremely
Speaker 2: my page.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I've been going to that page now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for the last five months, waiting for him to update it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the new conference structure and all that, just as a
Speaker 1: reference point. Like you said, we do this show sometimes
Speaker 1: you got to call up a page quickly just to
Speaker 1: remember who is where, especially now with everyone being elsewhere
Speaker 1: this season. And yeah, so officially ESPN has updated it.
Speaker 1: You know our adage here on the show, at least
Speaker 1: my adage. Once you turn the calendar to July, that
Speaker 1: is the official start of the preseason. Yeah, once we
Speaker 1: get into July, that means we're going to start doing
Speaker 1: conference and team previews among other podcast episodes here over
Speaker 1: the next six weeks or so.
Speaker 2: Nobody pres like the solid verbal tie. Nobody pre's like
Speaker 2: the solid verbal.
Speaker 1: This is one hundred percent true today is kind of
Speaker 1: the preamble to the.
Speaker 3: Previews creator free yeap.
Speaker 1: Which we can discuss momentarily. If you are new here, Hello, Welcome.
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Speaker 1: college football season.
Speaker 3: We'll flip those on a little bit later in this summer.
Speaker 1: Still a little early, yeah, start talking about things like that,
Speaker 1: but we're working on it. We will get back to
Speaker 1: as soon as we can. At a verballers dot com, Dan,
Speaker 1: what is this episode today? Exactly?
Speaker 3: It's too glad you asked two parter.
Speaker 2: You know how when you're at a party and you
Speaker 2: meet your usual suspects and somebody works in finance, somebody
Speaker 2: works for blobby bla, somebody's a teacher something. You're just like, cool, great,
Speaker 2: nice to meet you. That sounds cool. But then you
Speaker 2: come across somebody who says, actually, technically horse dentist, right,
Speaker 2: And then you say to yourself or you say to
Speaker 2: that person, I have so many questions. How does one
Speaker 2: become a horse dentist? Do you have crazy horse dentistry stories?
Speaker 2: Do you know other horse dentists? What's the horse dentist community?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What are your hours like? Specific breeds and types of horses?
Speaker 2: All horses?
Speaker 3: Do you go donkey like?
Speaker 2: There are a lot of questions when you come across
Speaker 2: something that or somebody that is particularly interesting. And so
Speaker 2: now again nobody praised like the solid verbal as we
Speaker 2: enter into preview season. This is not a preview episode,
Speaker 2: but this is just back of our head what we've
Speaker 2: been ruminating on, what has been keeping us up nights
Speaker 2: when we're thinking about the Mountain West, what has been
Speaker 2: keeping us up at night thinking about Arkansas's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: And this is just the questions we have, the stories
Speaker 2: we're interested in, and not just like can Texas figure
Speaker 2: out its defensive line? That's not that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: More just like, hey, is Texas going to be like
Speaker 2: still good or like stuff like that, which maybe it's
Speaker 2: that vague, maybe it's more detailed, but it's it's what
Speaker 2: has been keeping us up nights.
Speaker 1: It is for sure what's been keeping the question, to
Speaker 1: say the least. I mean, as we get into full
Speaker 1: on preview mode here, I think the intention is we're
Speaker 1: actually going to answer some of these questions or try
Speaker 1: to answer some of the questions we have now. But
Speaker 1: being so, it is a little bit early. Being so,
Speaker 1: we're just trying to get reacclimated with who's on which teams,
Speaker 1: which teams are on which conferences, things of that nature.
Speaker 1: These are the questions that I think, as you said,
Speaker 1: are been keep not only been keeping us up at night,
Speaker 1: but definitely things that are of most interest to us
Speaker 1: that we're going to focus in on a little bit
Speaker 1: more once we get into preview mode in like a
Speaker 1: week or two, we can.
Speaker 2: We're breaking it down by all sorts of different regions, conferences, teams, stories.
Speaker 2: I don't know where you want to start, but I
Speaker 2: feel like we should start asking.
Speaker 1: We should what is of all the questions that you
Speaker 1: jotted down? So we full disclosure. We kind of split
Speaker 1: this up a little bit. We went conference by conference,
Speaker 1: We did a group of five, We did some bigger
Speaker 1: picture college football stuff sort of all over the map.
Speaker 1: We had so many questions that we decided fairly early on,
Speaker 1: with this, of course being the week of July fourth,
Speaker 1: we're going to break this up into two episodes and
Speaker 1: make it nice drawn out week of tie and Dan
Speaker 1: questions that we need to take our teeth into figure
Speaker 1: out more about. On your Google doc, what is the
Speaker 1: question that you have lost the most sleep over?
Speaker 2: I wrote down what do I do with my love
Speaker 2: for usf lasts longer than four hours?
Speaker 3: I have a USF thing here too.
Speaker 2: I don't know we want to start there, but man,
Speaker 2: Alex Golish and I staying up nights thinking about Byron Brown.
Speaker 2: He's really fun. Actually, maybe we don't start there. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I was assigned or assigned myself the see we
Speaker 2: can start there. So these are my big picture conference
Speaker 2: questions and you can decide which of these you want
Speaker 2: to attack.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is your choice. Okay.
Speaker 2: What will the SEC feel like without Nick Saban? What
Speaker 2: are just the vibes going to be? Because even with
Speaker 2: Georgia's recent success, Nick Saban is unquestionably has been the
Speaker 2: alpha of that conference for as long as basically we've
Speaker 2: been doing the show. And even as Georgia has been
Speaker 2: that alpha, h Nick Saban beat him twice in the
Speaker 2: SEC championship games Nick Saban in Alabama.
Speaker 3: Sub question to that, how will he be on game day? Hmm?
Speaker 2: Will he be a goofball when they're doing like a
Speaker 2: weird cheese it mask thing with Pat McAfee, Like, what
Speaker 2: vibe will Nick Saban bring to the game day set?
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of interesting. Which team had it
Speaker 2: good in the old SEC? Or will we feel that
Speaker 2: about come you know, Halloween time that because they were
Speaker 2: in the SEC East and their schedules maybe have been
Speaker 2: fortunate for whatever reason. Now that the SEC is a
Speaker 2: more wide open schedule, we're like, oh man, they had
Speaker 2: a good maybe not so much anymore. And vice versa.
Speaker 2: Which team in the West will we look at their
Speaker 2: results and say, wow, must be a breath of fresh
Speaker 2: air given this new conference structure that they don't have
Speaker 2: to play X, Y and Z every season.
Speaker 3: Divisionless now yeah, divisionless?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Is there a program in the SEC that will become
Speaker 2: a program that just sort of is They're not amazing,
Speaker 2: they're not terrible, Like who are the candidates to just
Speaker 2: sort of exist and coast along? Like they plug holes
Speaker 2: when there's a leak, But they're also not zooming on anybody.
Speaker 2: Who will be the first media member to gleefully tweet quote,
Speaker 2: welcome to the SEC. When Texas or Oklahoma struggle, I've
Speaker 2: got my candidates. I'm sure you do too. Tie one
Speaker 2: hundred percent certainty. Final big picture SEC question. This one
Speaker 2: it sounds like a goofball question, Tie, but I think
Speaker 2: there's actually it's grounded in reality. Will there be a
Speaker 2: Mowana two SEC tie in resulting in the ultimate long
Speaker 2: play Solid verbal ripoff comes out in November, comes out
Speaker 2: November tie. It's not even that much of a joke
Speaker 2: question because Disney SEC ESPN Duane Johnson former Dwayne the
Speaker 2: Rock Johnson, Mowana Miami defensive lineman. Like, I'm thinking, it's
Speaker 2: entirely possible that given what the SEC is going to
Speaker 2: rate in October and November on ABC, we're going to
Speaker 2: get some sort of se some clunky SEC promotional time.
Speaker 2: We've seen it with what Marvel and the NBA Finals.
Speaker 2: We have, right, we have that is the big headline
Speaker 2: Disney release, Disney Animation release this fall. I'm just telling
Speaker 2: you right now, we're recording this once again July first.
Speaker 2: Nobody preas like the solid verbal, it's entirely possible if
Speaker 2: we get a Mowana promo spot, our social mentions are going.
Speaker 1: To break the platforms. Yeah, on which we get them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. I'm just telling you now, if you're
Speaker 2: going to see Nick Saban put on h Moana mask
Speaker 2: on game Day, it will be the most full circle
Speaker 2: solid ripoff moment that has ever occurred.
Speaker 1: There will be a moment where the third quarter is
Speaker 1: sponsored by Mowana two in theaters.
Speaker 3: Now, of course, of course there will be.
Speaker 1: And it'll be best when Sean McDonough does the promo Moan.
Speaker 2: Too Molana Dell and then now, yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: I think the question to me that jumps out the
Speaker 1: most outside of the Mowana one is the void left
Speaker 1: by Saban. Yeah, at Alabama. And I've been saying this
Speaker 1: exact same thing now for months on end. After the
Speaker 1: Saban news went down, and after we heard about him
Speaker 1: going to Game Day and Kaylin de Borr was hired,
Speaker 1: We've had all these things that have transpired the last
Speaker 1: six months, seven months or so. Sabin leaving that conference,
Speaker 1: I think creates a huge void. And it'd be easy
Speaker 1: to sit here and say, well, obviously Georgia is going
Speaker 1: to fill that void. Kirby Smart is kind of like
Speaker 1: the heir apparent Sabin in terms of true alpha's in
Speaker 1: the SEC. But it's just really hard to fill any
Speaker 1: void left by the greatest coach in the history of
Speaker 1: the sport. And I suspect if you're a team that
Speaker 1: has Alabama on its schedule routinely, I e. Auburn, I
Speaker 1: suspect teams like Tennessee that are accustomed to playing the
Speaker 1: Sabin version of Alabama. I suspect that those schools are
Speaker 1: jumping up and clicking their heels together that he is
Speaker 1: no longer there. Even if Klin de Borr steps in
Speaker 1: and is the same coach that we came to no
Speaker 1: and loved last season at Washington in a short time
Speaker 1: at Washington and elsewhere, even if he comes in and
Speaker 1: is very very good, he is still not Nick Saban.
Speaker 1: And I suspect to have plenty of success. I don't
Speaker 1: know if anybody's going to have a level of success
Speaker 1: that Saban had. It's just so well do And so
Speaker 1: for sure there is a void. For sure, that is
Speaker 1: something we're going to need to cover. And for sure
Speaker 1: there is something there with respect to what is Saban
Speaker 1: going to be like on game day? Speaking of vibes,
Speaker 1: I think he'll be quite good. I think he's always
Speaker 1: been good on TV. I think that's part of the
Speaker 1: charm and part of how he was such an effective
Speaker 1: recruiter at Alabama. He knew how to handle himself in
Speaker 1: front of a camera. He had a ton of polish,
Speaker 1: even when he was doing those postgame interviews. You remember
Speaker 1: when he would do these with like CBS or wherever.
Speaker 1: He was one of the only coaches I could recall
Speaker 1: who had the wherewithal to not look at the person
Speaker 1: interview him here and there, glance at I'm act as
Speaker 1: if you care, but he's looking right at you camera
Speaker 1: number one. Yeah, right, he's talking right to you in
Speaker 1: your living room. This is a guy who knows how
Speaker 1: to handle himself in front of popular media. So I
Speaker 1: suspect to be very, very good in that regard.
Speaker 2: But TV's different. TV is like he's gonna have to
Speaker 2: be entertaining quickly. He's going to have to make a
Speaker 2: point and support it with likability, even if he's saying
Speaker 2: something bad about your team. Like it's a different animal
Speaker 2: to speak in those types of bursts. Right, Leek Horso
Speaker 2: has had his stick. Pat McAfee has his shtick, you know,
Speaker 2: Desmond Howard is smiling and has his thing. Kirk Herbstreet
Speaker 2: has this thing and has a sense of humor. Right,
Speaker 2: say whatever you will about Kirk Kurbstreet, if you love him,
Speaker 2: if you don't like him, whatever. He's been around forever,
Speaker 2: everybody has opinions of him. But he leans into the
Speaker 2: game day vibe, and so I think that's going to
Speaker 2: take a minute for Nick Saban to just sort of
Speaker 2: pick up on chemistry wise as he enters into something, however,
Speaker 2: many decades in.
Speaker 3: No, I think that's all fair.
Speaker 1: But I'm really curious to see what that dynamic is like, definitely,
Speaker 1: because typically when you've got a guy who's had such
Speaker 1: a long story career like Saban, when you put a
Speaker 1: guy like that in a booth and you give them
Speaker 1: an opera in a studio in this case, and give
Speaker 1: him an opportunity that just sort of upload all of
Speaker 1: their information to you, you get a lot of really
Speaker 1: interesting nuggets out of that. And I think Saban's going
Speaker 1: to be really, really good in that role. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see what he can do. And this is not
Speaker 1: somebody who watches a whole lot of college game day
Speaker 1: or knows by the time Saturday morning rolls around, or
Speaker 1: sort of run a little bit ragged from all the
Speaker 1: prep that we do in the span of a given week.
Speaker 1: But Saban being there, at least for the first couple weeks,
Speaker 1: I think is going to be a nice little draw
Speaker 1: to get you and I tuned in and specoring how
Speaker 1: well he does.
Speaker 2: And there's the really interesting and I think makes game
Speaker 2: day more watchable than it's been recently. And I don't
Speaker 2: say that because I dislike anybody on game day or
Speaker 2: anything like that. I just my life has changed to
Speaker 2: the point where I don't want, don't have the time
Speaker 2: before the games to really watch a pregame show. The
Speaker 2: Tony Romo thing where he's played and game planned against
Speaker 2: so many of the teams he's now analyzing so recently
Speaker 2: that it's going to change three or four years down
Speaker 2: the road or anything like that. But like Saban's intimate
Speaker 2: knowledge of not now Texas obviously having game planned for
Speaker 2: them last year, but the SEC and you know, big
Speaker 2: teams that he's game planned against in bowl games, playoff games, whatever.
Speaker 3: Bring that, Yeah, he can absolutely bring that.
Speaker 2: It's you look at the rest of the game day
Speaker 2: set and they either haven't done that recently or the
Speaker 2: guests don't feel free to speak freely about those types
Speaker 2: of things. Whereas Nick Saban, even though I'm sure he's
Speaker 2: loyal to coaching, friends and stuff like that, Like, here's
Speaker 2: what you have to do when you play against Tennessee,
Speaker 2: here's what you have to think about in the back
Speaker 2: of your mind. If you're a linebacker playing against you
Speaker 2: know this guy at Texas A and M. So, that
Speaker 2: to me is pretty fascinating and makes it more watchable.
Speaker 1: Who is the SEC team though, that's gonna just puts along.
Speaker 3: It's going to coast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my guess the most competent, like aggressively competent, but
Speaker 2: nothing like terribly above that or terribly below that is
Speaker 2: probably Kentucky, Kentucky.
Speaker 1: I'm looking right at it. I was thinking Kentucky. Maybe
Speaker 1: Auburn in a year or two.
Speaker 2: Like Kentucky may have missed its window to have that.
Speaker 2: I mean like they had a special year a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago, three years ago, now, whatever it was
Speaker 2: they had that special year. I just think their opportunity
Speaker 2: to have that special year every so often, that window
Speaker 2: may have closed. And it's quarterback dependent for them. And
Speaker 2: maybe that quarterback you know is on their roster this year.
Speaker 2: But if you're not a Brock Vandergriff believer in this moment,
Speaker 2: it might be hard to see a Vandergrifter excuse me
Speaker 2: that they're not necessarily recruiting on the level like look
Speaker 2: happy to be wrong, always wrong. We had a you know,
Speaker 2: a longer Kentucky conversation earlier this year but that to
Speaker 2: me is going to be the interesting element to all
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see I can make a case for Kentucky.
Speaker 1: I guess I could make a case for Auburn.
Speaker 2: Ole Miss, by the way, is the flip Ole Miss
Speaker 2: could be the big beneficiary with how aggressive they've been
Speaker 2: in the portal not playing every SEC West team, And
Speaker 2: we'll see what that actually means in practice moving forward.
Speaker 2: But I think they're probably the big winner out of
Speaker 2: all of this because they don't have the annual rivalry
Speaker 2: with Alabama. Mississippi State in the short term is rebuilding
Speaker 2: like they're I think in a really nice place. But
Speaker 2: I also have with Ole Miss in terms of a question.
Speaker 3: I have here.
Speaker 2: Let me make sure I get my word incorrect here.
Speaker 2: Oh man, where did.
Speaker 3: I lose there?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 2: Will it ever get better for Ole Miss than it
Speaker 2: appears to be right now? And like the old Andy
Speaker 2: Bernard quote, I wish there was a way to know
Speaker 2: you were in the good old days when you were
Speaker 2: actually in them before it's too late with what they
Speaker 2: bring back, with what their schedule looks like right now,
Speaker 2: with where their rival is in terms of a rebuild
Speaker 2: like this is kind of a great time for ole Miss,
Speaker 2: and I hope they appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure they do.
Speaker 1: Ole Miss, I think, is one of those teams that
Speaker 1: we have mentioned frequently in the off season as Yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely a beneficiary of the expanded playoff system. The path
Speaker 1: is wider. I keeps saying that, I feel like I've
Speaker 1: broken record, but the path is wider for teams like
Speaker 1: ole Miss, or Tennessee or Penn State or Utah. Like
Speaker 1: there are a great number of schools now that the
Speaker 1: combination of going division lists and most of these big conferences,
Speaker 1: with the expanded playoff field, which is going to expand again,
Speaker 1: mind you in two years, right, that serves to benefit
Speaker 1: a few programs in particular. Yeah, and ole Miss is
Speaker 1: definitely in that conversation for sure.
Speaker 2: I do wonder though, with regard to Lane Kiffen, if
Speaker 2: he sees this as everything's pointing to this year and
Speaker 2: if ole Miss really does break through, if this is
Speaker 2: what he uses to sort of vault himself to a
Speaker 2: new place that he does it. He's been very outspoken
Speaker 2: in terms of like, look, we take advantage of it,
Speaker 2: we do right by this current system, but it's terrible
Speaker 2: for the sport and that maybe he wants to go
Speaker 2: somewhere where he can both leverage it and get a
Speaker 2: fresh start and not have to deal with the amount
Speaker 2: of incoming outgoing as Ole Miss has to deal with sometimes.
Speaker 1: I mean the question I would have to that though,
Speaker 1: which big jobs are going to be coming open?
Speaker 3: Which big jobs are on the precipice of fuddy you
Speaker 3: never know?
Speaker 1: You this is college foot well, you never know, and
Speaker 1: especially in this era where I do think playoff qualification
Speaker 1: is going to stand for a lot. Maybe Florida. I
Speaker 1: don't think Florida wants Lane Kiffin. I think they want
Speaker 1: Jed Fish. I'm going to stick with that until it happens.
Speaker 1: But outside of that, which seems to be a fairly
Speaker 1: obvious opening at the end of this season, things go
Speaker 1: the way we think. Sure don't see a whole lot
Speaker 1: of those marquee jobs that are out there. Doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they won't come open. Yeah, just doesn't seem obvious to
Speaker 1: me at this point. Lane Kiffin is going to have
Speaker 1: his name in the ring of some other opening at
Speaker 1: some point down the line, whether in college or the NFL,
Speaker 1: because he has done a good job building Old Miss up.
Speaker 1: I suspect this is going to be another successful campaign
Speaker 1: for the rotally, so he'll be in that conversation. Just
Speaker 1: doesn't seem obvious to me at this juncture who that's
Speaker 1: going to be.
Speaker 2: But that's a whole thing, that's the whole sport. You
Speaker 2: never know which coach is going to get on a
Speaker 2: motorcycle with a former volleyball player during the summer, right,
Speaker 2: you never know, and that and when that happens. Laane
Speaker 2: is there, Laane is there? What do you got for
Speaker 2: the ACC? The ACC the All Costco Conference. By the way,
Speaker 2: it pains me that when we did our episode a
Speaker 2: few weeks back talking about the All State twelve or
Speaker 2: the Big twelve All.
Speaker 1: State or whatever. Yeah, Brett or Mark is thinking of
Speaker 1: naming this thing. It pains me that we did not
Speaker 1: mention the All Costco Conference. We talked about it in
Speaker 1: our slack channel. Yeah, we we have been making that
Speaker 1: joke for the last couple of years. And when the
Speaker 1: rubber really met the road and it came time to
Speaker 1: roll that joke out in a more official capacity, we
Speaker 1: forgot to. I forgot I just listened to a four
Speaker 1: hour podcast about Costco. By the way, nobody is a
Speaker 1: bigger Costco expert in this moment than I am.
Speaker 3: By the way, I have questions about other teams in
Speaker 3: the SEC.
Speaker 2: Not to backtrack, oh, the SEC, but I thought that
Speaker 2: was all you had, that those are the big picture conference.
Speaker 3: Oh continue, then I'm sorry again.
Speaker 2: I'm being introduced to a horse dentist and I got
Speaker 2: to go down a path. Ty, you tell me. I mean,
Speaker 2: is there a team in the SEC that you would
Speaker 2: like to talk about?
Speaker 3: And wonder? What my question is? Did you do every
Speaker 3: team in the SEC?
Speaker 2: I kind of I think I did? What are your
Speaker 2: We don't have to we don't have to go through
Speaker 2: and talk, but this is where I stand.
Speaker 1: What are your questions about Florida?
Speaker 3: Could it?
Speaker 2: My question is like, are we like doom dooming Florida
Speaker 2: right now and our heads too much that like, could
Speaker 2: Florida be like a really fun candidate, Like they're not
Speaker 2: going to be great, but they could go eight and
Speaker 2: four in an entertaining way, maybe save billion Apier's job.
Speaker 2: Like they're they're kind of my ZAG team, Like everybody's
Speaker 2: shoveling dirt on Florida, Like what what does it look like?
Speaker 2: What does a Florida Zag look like?
Speaker 3: This year?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I thought I wonder, do you a little bit,
Speaker 1: because there have been plenty of instances over the last
Speaker 1: couple of years where you look at Florida and you
Speaker 1: know that there is plenty of talent on hand and
Speaker 1: they haven't always been super organized. But we thought maybe
Speaker 1: bringing billion Api or over would would help with that
Speaker 1: to some extent. Maybe it has, maybe it hasn't. We
Speaker 1: can talk about that more when we get into preview mode.
Speaker 1: But the talent is never really in question, and I
Speaker 1: think Graham Mertz is serviceable at worst. He was pretty
Speaker 1: decent last year all things considered. Obviously, this team's got
Speaker 1: a ways to go with respect to consistency not shooting
Speaker 1: itself in the foot. But it's not too hard to
Speaker 1: squint and see that Florida zag as a possible I mean, it.
Speaker 2: Sort of is given the schedule, but we're assuming things
Speaker 2: about the schedule. There are good players that play for Florida.
Speaker 2: There are reasons to like Florida right now. It's just
Speaker 2: the vibes don't seem strong.
Speaker 3: The vibes.
Speaker 1: The other team that I have thought a lot about
Speaker 1: going into this conference is Oklahoma. Yes, because the schedule's brutal,
Speaker 1: it's because it's a that I have a lot of
Speaker 1: respect for. I really like brand Venables. I think they
Speaker 1: do it right. I think the structure is there, the
Speaker 1: stability is there on the administrative level, which oftentimes is
Speaker 1: overlooked but definitely is worth its weight in gold. It's
Speaker 1: just going to be really hard for them to maneuver
Speaker 1: their way through the schedule unless they unless Jackson Arnold
Speaker 1: comes out and blows everybody away, and unless the defense
Speaker 1: steps up in a very very significant way takes a
Speaker 1: more significant step forward.
Speaker 3: Not unlike what they did last year.
Speaker 1: They're better last season, but they would need to amplify
Speaker 1: that by at least two to three times better.
Speaker 3: If they come out.
Speaker 1: And go against the schedule like this, take that big
Speaker 1: step forward, that in and of itself would be a
Speaker 1: huge story. But I just don't know how confident I
Speaker 1: feel in that right now.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to go through this quickly. Okay,
Speaker 2: I have pop with Oklahoma? Like where does the pop
Speaker 2: come from?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like, basically, can Jackson Arnold be as excellent as he
Speaker 2: probably needs to be? They've addressed receiver, offensive line took
Speaker 2: a step back, whatever, But like that's the big thing
Speaker 2: with Oklahoma that at their best even in the Brent
Speaker 2: Ventables era with Dylan Gabriel. It's the pop that has
Speaker 2: really secured them those big wins, and so a lot
Speaker 2: of questions. Oklahoma are very excited to see it. Other
Speaker 2: side of the ball for Texas is my question, like,
Speaker 2: was Texas big twelve good or are they just good good?
Speaker 2: And that I think a lot has to do with
Speaker 2: like BFD questions right that Texas fans of freaking out
Speaker 2: about you know, defensive line depth and star caliber talent
Speaker 2: this past year, you know, hitting the portal hard, trying
Speaker 2: to get guys in the recruiting cycle. That to me
Speaker 2: is something, well, you know, big twelve good versus good good?
Speaker 3: How about this one?
Speaker 1: Ty?
Speaker 2: Can Kalin de Bor build a race ready boat in Tuscaloosa?
Speaker 2: And by that, I'm using the phrase boat race because
Speaker 2: Washington won a bunch of like weird clunky games last
Speaker 2: year they did. You can't do that in Tuscaloosa.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: You can't just get away with beating Arkansas thirteen ten
Speaker 2: every year because you will start losing thirteen ten as well. No,
Speaker 2: so that to me is interesting. I have down here
Speaker 2: is Mike Elko America's most helpful hardware store employee that
Speaker 2: you go to a hardware store and you're like, all right,
Speaker 2: here's what I'm working on with my deck, and I
Speaker 2: am just lost. And then there's there's a guy named
Speaker 2: Steve and he's like, you're looking for a reverse box
Speaker 2: sander and I know exactly where that's in row fourteen
Speaker 2: and a half. Right that Mike Elko, with what he's
Speaker 2: done as a coordinator and in a short time at Duke,
Speaker 2: can he given what A and M lost, given who
Speaker 2: he hired in a good way, given what they return
Speaker 2: on this roster, because there's still a lot of talent
Speaker 2: on this roster. Is he somebody that can go in
Speaker 2: every single room at Texas A and M and be like,
Speaker 2: this is what I expect out of you, and you're
Speaker 2: gonna run this kind of route and do this with
Speaker 2: your shoulder and listen to the receivers coach because this like,
Speaker 2: is he the most helpful hardware helpful hardware store employee
Speaker 2: in America?
Speaker 3: If I do like that, I was just at the
Speaker 3: hardware store the other day. Did you have a helpful employee?
Speaker 1: He may actually have been named Steve too, with every
Speaker 1: single hard work with the vest on, Yeah, with the
Speaker 1: vest very helpful.
Speaker 2: He's like, no, what you're looking here, you're looking for
Speaker 2: a finishing lacker, and what you're doing right now is
Speaker 2: you're looking for a soothing lacker, and it's totally different things.
Speaker 2: You would never want to use that on a deck.
Speaker 2: I just made up all of those.
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 2: Can Mississippi State quickly become fart spray?
Speaker 3: Fart spray? Yes, Mississippi State continue.
Speaker 2: Their schedule is super sandwichy and they may not be good,
Speaker 2: but given the speed at which they're probably going to
Speaker 2: run their offense, they get a bunch of teams right after,
Speaker 2: right before, like in awkward spots. Can they be that
Speaker 2: disgusting spray that you see on social media being used
Speaker 2: at like fast food windows?
Speaker 1: Far I have not seen this social media trend.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's horrendous. It seems horrendous, but that's what I'm
Speaker 2: looking forward to. They're not going to be good in
Speaker 2: the short term, but they have like a bunch of
Speaker 2: advance spots on their schedule this year.
Speaker 1: I feel like all the all the hawk toot stuff
Speaker 1: has crowded out any kind of farts.
Speaker 2: I don't understand that reference explain it in detail tonight.
Speaker 1: We'll continue.
Speaker 3: All right, Okay, much quicker?
Speaker 2: TI Are we sleeping on the fact that it's reasonable
Speaker 2: to look at Nico being a superhuman bound for New York.
Speaker 1: I texted with friend of the show Tim Murray A Viisen,
Speaker 1: Yeah this weekend, and he's all in on Nico. Ah Man,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in on Nico too, just unlimited
Speaker 1: highlights that I saw from the spring game. Definitely looks
Speaker 1: the part. Definitely looks the part. Seems as if he
Speaker 1: gives that offense a little bit more flair. We won't
Speaker 1: know until we actually see him out there in September.
Speaker 1: But like if you're a Dolls fan, the combination of
Speaker 1: again wider pathway in combination of going to Visionless, combination
Speaker 1: of getting this new hotshot quarterback, there's a lot to
Speaker 1: be excited about. How does that materialize within the context
Speaker 1: of their schedule and their conference and where Tennessee isn't
Speaker 1: national conversation that is a conversation for previous season. We
Speaker 1: get into our previews talking about Tennessee and all these teams.
Speaker 2: Really I have down here for Miszoo that is there
Speaker 2: a team that is more qualified to be the SEC's
Speaker 2: if should team, if Miszoo is in fact Miszoo, they
Speaker 2: should win this game. If Missoo is in fact Miszoo,
Speaker 2: when you look at their schedule in mid October, they
Speaker 2: should win this game. Right That to me is I
Speaker 2: would think, yeah, that is my if should team LSU
Speaker 2: is super fascinating. I mean everybody like I have down
Speaker 2: here for LSU, like they're the multiverse team of the SEC.
Speaker 2: That I could give you five different, fully distinct journeys
Speaker 2: that LSU has through the SEC schedule and you would
Speaker 2: hear me out.
Speaker 3: And be like bick to that.
Speaker 2: It all makes sense, totally, totally reasonable and my favorite
Speaker 2: one of all tie. And I'm not going to dwell
Speaker 2: on South Carolina. We've done, We've had South Carolina conversations.
Speaker 2: I want Vanderbilt. And my question is should Vanderbilt fully
Speaker 2: lean into being the SEC's snake bite program? Do you
Speaker 2: know what a snake bite is with regard to NBA players.
Speaker 2: I know, I only learned it this morning, so I
Speaker 2: give you full credit.
Speaker 1: I know I know what it means to be snake
Speaker 1: bitten like Mark pryor totally former shot that cub snake
Speaker 1: bitten with injuries and that sort of thing. But beyond that.
Speaker 2: No, Sometimes you hear about players being dirty in the NBA,
Speaker 2: like everybody's like John Stockton, totally dirty player, and you're like,
Speaker 2: but how why he's John Stockton. A snake bite is
Speaker 2: when people are setting picks, or you're setting a pick
Speaker 2: or whatever, when when you're in closed and you're boxing
Speaker 2: out for rebound, you basically aggressively pinch somebody and the
Speaker 2: refs don't see it, and you sort of, you know,
Speaker 2: you know how you pinch somebody, use two fingers, you know,
Speaker 2: your index finger, your middle finger and your thumb, and
Speaker 2: you just drive it into somebody's you know, the meaty
Speaker 2: flanks of their body and pinch and it's super dirty
Speaker 2: and awful. I want Vanderbilt, you know, running more options
Speaker 2: stuff with Diego Pavia. They should hire somebody like Don
Speaker 2: Brown to run their defense whatever. Where they're just the
Speaker 2: most annoying, possibly dirty team in the SEC that I
Speaker 2: hope is zach.
Speaker 1: Given like their squeaky clean image of academic institution that
Speaker 1: may or may not have the stadium.
Speaker 2: Jerry Kill coming in as like a consultant and offensive
Speaker 2: assistant or assistant head coach Timback, but not the Tim
Speaker 2: Back coming in as the new offensive coordinator. So it's
Speaker 2: like the the zach kittleisation. Yeah, from Houston Baptist to
Speaker 2: Western Kentucky. I think from a few years ago Bailey's appy.
Speaker 2: So they're like bringing the whole crew back and now
Speaker 2: to Nashville. Like, could they just lean into the like
Speaker 2: villainous whatever, nothing matters. We might all be out of
Speaker 2: a job in a few months. Anyway, Let's get real dirty.
Speaker 2: Let's play in the mud with everybody. We play can
Speaker 2: engauge it in the mud and the blood and the beer?
Speaker 1: Dan?
Speaker 2: Could they be that for me? We shall see.
Speaker 1: Shall we talk about the ACC next?
Speaker 3: I think you had the acc and I did have.
Speaker 1: A west Like, where do you want to go next?
Speaker 3: While I'm on a roll time? Yeah, while you're on a.
Speaker 1: Roll, give me a few more questions that are really
Speaker 1: keeping you up at night?
Speaker 2: Will we get incredible travel graphic maps during these games?
Speaker 1: I have in part two when we get to part
Speaker 1: two of this, Yeah, I have a similar thought.
Speaker 2: Like it's I don't know, like fran Brown's head atop
Speaker 2: a cartoon plane traveling across and back and forth the
Speaker 2: United States. We're gonna get a lot of those like
Speaker 2: this is how many miles Virginia Tech has traveled this year?
Speaker 3: A lot of spreadsheets, making the rounds on college football Reddit,
Speaker 3: that type of ying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which new team will make the biggest dent in
Speaker 2: the ACC? That they will be the ones knocking. I
Speaker 2: don't know if any of them will make a big dent,
Speaker 2: but if there is a team Stanford, Cal SMU, the
Speaker 2: most obvious call is SMU because of where they were
Speaker 2: last year. But they haven't necessarily built Power five lines
Speaker 2: all the time, so that could be a new thing
Speaker 2: for the Mustangs. And to what extent will Florida State
Speaker 2: and Clemson litigation wanting to leave the conference the future
Speaker 2: of the conference? How much of that will hang over
Speaker 2: the conference this year? I suspect not a ton unless
Speaker 2: there is like a decision legally or there is a
Speaker 2: major move forward in there, because I just kind of
Speaker 2: suspect when the football starts, it's largely going to be
Speaker 2: about football. But that's what I kind of have right
Speaker 2: now with the ACC. And I have individual team questions,
Speaker 2: but in terms of where the ACC is now, that's
Speaker 2: what I'm thinking about.
Speaker 1: You know, the one constant over the last couple of
Speaker 1: years as being a college football fan and podcasts like
Speaker 1: you and I are. Yeah, it feels like every time
Speaker 1: we let our guard down and feel like every time,
Speaker 1: oh okay, we have clarity on this. Now we can
Speaker 1: move on. Every time, especially in the preseason, especially through
Speaker 1: July and August. It's happened the last two years. Now
Speaker 1: it feels like you can let your guard down. It
Speaker 1: feels like you can look forward, get ready for the season,
Speaker 1: and then we have these weird college football administrative business
Speaker 1: what have you stories totally separate from anything that takes
Speaker 1: place in the field. We have these stories that sneak
Speaker 1: up on us. And that's not to say that the
Speaker 1: Florida State and Clemson litigation unc well, they won't they
Speaker 1: are they interested in this? Are they not? Like That's
Speaker 1: not to say any of this stuff is for sure
Speaker 1: going to like come do in the next few weeks.
Speaker 1: But the ACC seems like it's in a really weird
Speaker 1: place in terms of stability. They're adding numbers, I think,
Speaker 1: to insulate themselves from any sort of future exit. Right
Speaker 1: at the same time, it feels like among the power
Speaker 1: comp which is that we talk about here, they are
Speaker 1: the one that is the most vulnerable this day and age,
Speaker 1: given everything that's going on. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's more news that comes on any of those fronts,
Speaker 1: but the ACC seems like a likely candidate for late
Speaker 1: breaking business news that again up ends our entire vision
Speaker 1: of what college football is and was and will be
Speaker 1: next Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, look, we're due for any sort of it's college football.
Speaker 2: So as we enter July August, like, I just will
Speaker 2: never be surprised if four days before the season starts,
Speaker 2: Smack Brown retires, right that, Like, there's just going to
Speaker 2: be something like, oh, he's done.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: Not a break will be that thing, right because there's
Speaker 1: a thing every year like that, Yeah, what will be
Speaker 1: that thing that we got to break into kind of
Speaker 1: our normal schedule and record an emerge a pod or
Speaker 1: something because people want to hear about this this news item.
Speaker 3: There will be that thing.
Speaker 1: I you know, whether it's the ACC or not, it remains
Speaker 1: to be seen. But I'm mindful of this now. I
Speaker 1: had been burnt too many times. As we said, Earl,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to be hurt again.
Speaker 2: I have is Dabo the worst hardware store employee in America.
Speaker 2: He's he's the Brent, He's the Gary where you're just
Speaker 2: like no wrong Isle, Like, no, we don't. We don't
Speaker 2: carry lugnuts Gary in what still ales Clemson? And last
Speaker 2: year it was on the road. It was the horrific
Speaker 2: start against Duke with the red zone struggles. It was
Speaker 2: just not looking right against NC State. It's not finding receivers,
Speaker 2: it's not utilizing the portal, it's not you know, winning
Speaker 2: winnable games like it's it's all of the above with Clemson,
Speaker 2: and honestly, like I think we collectively sort of it's
Speaker 2: it's become a little bit overblown. Clemson's I mean, they
Speaker 2: went eight to no in the ACC two years ago, right,
Speaker 2: but there's just expectations that you know, Dabo himself set
Speaker 2: the bar, and so I just wonder with this year's team, well,
Speaker 2: receivers be there, offensive line, you know, winning those close games,
Speaker 2: not losing to like Miami in overtime and a dumble
Speaker 2: like all that stuff that, Like do you have a
Speaker 2: handle on your patio?
Speaker 1: Dabo, Yeah, doesn't doesn't know what ale the laquer is in,
Speaker 1: but definitely has some thoughts in the political climate, like.
Speaker 3: That's what you'll get the lacquer industry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you if you ask Dabo a question, where's
Speaker 1: the lacker? You're you're going to get a little bit
Speaker 1: more than you bargained for. Yeah, absolutely, nice, nice guy.
Speaker 1: Don't give me a nice guy. But isn't as helpful
Speaker 1: as the aforementioned Steve with the vest.
Speaker 2: You asked him about wrenches, and instead of telling you
Speaker 2: which wrench to get and where the wrenches are, he
Speaker 2: just has thoughts on the idea of using a wrench.
Speaker 1: The idea behind the wrench. Yet right, exactly you know
Speaker 1: where the wrench started? Exactly?
Speaker 3: I have down here? Is col playing the weirdest schedule
Speaker 3: in America? They kind of are. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you looked at it, it's so weird. It's so weird.
Speaker 2: I have down here. I just don't understand the luve.
Speaker 2: Does that make me a bad person? I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I've been hurt before by the time because experience.
Speaker 1: Is this because of the conversation we had on our
Speaker 1: bonus episode about Papa John's Instagram feed.
Speaker 3: Oh it is a great feed. Let's be very cool.
Speaker 1: He quotes himself probably not a great guy, maybe not,
Speaker 1: but quotes himself every third Yeah, posting.
Speaker 2: I have down here? Winning as a skill? Is it
Speaker 2: one Brent Key possesses m I wonder about that, losing
Speaker 2: close games, winning close games, Like, will they win close
Speaker 2: more than they lose close this year? Like with the
Speaker 2: experience they bring back, especially Haines King.
Speaker 1: We're really high on Haines King here on this show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're King makers.
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit.
Speaker 1: Worried about how high we are on on Haines King.
Speaker 2: I have Can Manny Diez be defensive? Tedford like he
Speaker 2: just needed to find his place, right, Jeff Tedford found
Speaker 2: what the San Joaquin Valley Fresno State now different parts
Speaker 2: of their lives, of course, but like given the pressure
Speaker 2: he faced at Miami as a head coach, getting the
Speaker 2: time at Penn State, given that there won't be nearly
Speaker 2: the pressure at Duke, given that you know so much
Speaker 2: of the roster has turned over, a new quarterback, knew
Speaker 2: everything like well, Manny Diaz find like a niche in Durham. Oh,
Speaker 2: I mean, look in the way Mike Galco did, but
Speaker 2: not at a different stage in their careers. The question
Speaker 2: for me with Duke, yeah, undeniably is Malik Murphy. I
Speaker 2: am so excited to see Malik Murphy. I'm so excited
Speaker 2: to play with Malik Murphy in the New College Football
Speaker 2: video game. I'd love to see what his stats are.
Speaker 2: Maybe somebody has them.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't seen him, but he seems
Speaker 1: like if he is as advertised and we only saw
Speaker 1: him here and there, but he looks like a god
Speaker 1: among insects. He is a monster of a kid. I
Speaker 1: am dying to see what he can do in the ACC.
Speaker 1: I mean, if he is half as good as we
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be last season, again limited action,
Speaker 1: I think he could take that conference by storm. It
Speaker 1: could be very interesting, especially if they have that defense.
Speaker 2: I have, well serious, well serious, Will Syracuse be the
Speaker 2: ACC's weirdest team, Like, given how they're probably going to
Speaker 2: play on both sides of the ball, given Kyle McCord,
Speaker 2: given you know, bringing back an old transfer in the
Speaker 2: secondary from you know, to LSU, back from LSU, all
Speaker 2: those types, like, will they be an extremely weird team
Speaker 2: in year one under Fran Brown?
Speaker 3: I assume yes. I assume yes.
Speaker 2: Like I assume Syracuse will beat somebody terrific and inexplicably
Speaker 2: lose to like a clear non bowl team by twenty
Speaker 2: That's what I assume Syracuse season in year one, Fran
Speaker 2: Brown will be like, I have down here, what is
Speaker 2: this year's nine and three flavor for NC State? Boison
Speaker 2: Berry losing on a fake field goal? Like, what is
Speaker 2: their nine and three flavor? How do they get to
Speaker 2: nine and three?
Speaker 3: Yes? Like it's preordained, right, it's it's been.
Speaker 1: You're almost reverse engineering because you know how it's going
Speaker 1: to end up.
Speaker 3: Correct. It's just a matter of how are they going
Speaker 3: to get there? NC State?
Speaker 1: To me, if I'm being honest talking about Malik Murphy,
Speaker 1: the Grayson McCall thing has, oh, of course captivated me
Speaker 1: because I thought he was going to leave before last season,
Speaker 1: not to say he was going to go to NC State,
Speaker 1: and I think there were like Florida rumors. I think
Speaker 1: there were Auburn rumors for Grayson McCall. It didn't obviously
Speaker 1: work out. He stuck around with Coastal Carolina, got hurt,
Speaker 1: didn't have a great year. But now going to NC State,
Speaker 1: it feels like there's a lot there for the taking
Speaker 1: for him and his old play call, or as at
Speaker 1: least his old offense with Jamie Chadwell when he was
Speaker 1: still a Coastal that was so much fun to watch.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious to see how they tap into the
Speaker 1: skill set because he's a dual threat kid. He obviously
Speaker 1: has a lot of talent. We didn't see a whole
Speaker 1: lot of it last year because of injury and the
Speaker 1: offense as a whole. But I think NC State's got
Speaker 1: a really good opportunity with him, and you know we
Speaker 1: did that. You can go back and listen to the
Speaker 1: NC State specific episode we did. There's there's a lot
Speaker 1: to like about this team, and so I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit fearful that NC State is going to be one
Speaker 1: of those teams I have one one or two in
Speaker 1: each conference where I'm just ridiculously high on a team.
Speaker 1: I look at the schedule, I look at the roster.
Speaker 1: I'm almost blinded by those two things, and then I
Speaker 1: can't see past it. NC State might be that kind
Speaker 1: of team for me this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll win at Clemson. Plot twist M Night Shamalan,
Speaker 2: M Dave Shyamalan lose to Stanford and Calan back to
Speaker 2: back weeks. Right, that's you know, that'll be the fun
Speaker 2: plot twist for NC State. I have down here. Can
Speaker 2: Virginia quietly shift to winning close exclusively through speed with
Speaker 2: your former favorite notreed aimer Chris Tyree. They kind of
Speaker 2: lost a bunch of close games last year. They did,
Speaker 2: they did Virginia, and I think they're gonna go with
Speaker 2: what Calandria now at quarterback full time. I think we'll see,
Speaker 2: but I don't know it'll be exclusively through speed. I
Speaker 2: don't think they're gonna have a defense. So that's kind
Speaker 2: of interesting to me. Can we all just watch wake
Speaker 2: Forest highlights from six or seven years ago?
Speaker 3: I have down here?
Speaker 2: Is Virginia Tech real or fake? Good SMU right place,
Speaker 2: right time? Things seem bleak for Pitt. Does that mean
Speaker 2: they'll be weirdly nine and three, ten and two this year?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Speaking of reverse engineering the none and three? Yeah,
Speaker 1: how does it happen that Pit goes not? Yeah?
Speaker 2: They feel it feels crazy bleak. Now they hire a
Speaker 2: new offensive coordinator, they're going to try to play fast.
Speaker 2: I think Nate Yarnell's promising. They return a bunch of
Speaker 2: guys on offense. But still, and maybe it was just
Speaker 2: a like last year thing filled Yourkovic vibes were down,
Speaker 2: vibes were terrible. But I don't know, man, things seem
Speaker 2: very bleak in Pit.
Speaker 1: I just remember some of the conversations we had about
Speaker 1: filder Kovic, and it wasn't so much you and I
Speaker 1: as it was people on our discord at for bowlers
Speaker 1: dot Com and the way that he went from promising
Speaker 1: transfer to backup order back to oh no, like he's
Speaker 1: just like not gonna play anymore.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was such a stark contrast from start to finish
Speaker 1: that I'm not sure I ever gave myself a chance
Speaker 1: to live it down last year. It was kind of
Speaker 1: a wild turn that I didn't see coming. He's from
Speaker 1: that part of the country, He's from Western ba Like,
Speaker 1: it just really stuck up on me.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna fully cop to something. I at one point
Speaker 2: decided to start toying with the idea of convincing you
Speaker 2: that J. T. Daniels was still playing for a number
Speaker 2: of teams and seeing how far down that road I
Speaker 2: can get to with you. But I decided not to.
Speaker 2: The other thing I have is I feel nothing about
Speaker 2: Boston College.
Speaker 3: Will that change?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, Jeff Hafley left. Now they got Bill O'Brien.
Speaker 1: I think that makes them interesting. It makes them makes
Speaker 1: them a point of conversation. Got the local kid back in.
Speaker 3: They're running shop chin dimple.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That seems just like like we kind of know how
Speaker 2: this is going to end. Like Boston College maybe is
Speaker 2: that team that upsets somebody but still goes three and nine. Like,
Speaker 2: it's hard to see. It's hard to see the recruiting
Speaker 2: going in a fun, interesting place that they're competing with,
Speaker 2: you know, big schools for guys in PA or New
Speaker 2: Jersey or something like that. I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I kind of think it's a lose lose situation. So
Speaker 2: those are my ACC questions.
Speaker 1: I do like Thomas Castellanos, their quarterback. He had a
Speaker 1: few good games last.
Speaker 2: Year and I have score sixty points a game.
Speaker 1: B see, they will need to score a lot of points. Yeah,
Speaker 1: before we go on to part two here, do.
Speaker 2: You have any acc questions or anything like that that
Speaker 2: to bookend.
Speaker 1: I mean, my big one, My big one is Malik Murphy.
Speaker 1: Beyond that, it was Grayson McCall and I think beyond that,
Speaker 1: if we further zoom out, it was what you mentioned
Speaker 1: at the very top, and that is just the longer
Speaker 1: term sustainability of the conference and what kind of weirdness
Speaker 1: comes as a result of it. You know, like when
Speaker 1: we start seeing things through the lens of money, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get really weird, interesting answers to like and everyone's
Speaker 1: got their own answer for how they're going to like
Speaker 1: move forward in this new era, right everybody. It means
Speaker 1: different things to different programs, different people, But it just
Speaker 1: feels like this is a great recipe right now for
Speaker 1: really bad ideas, and I put it past exactly nobody
Speaker 1: to come up with them. I'm gonna talk in part
Speaker 1: two about brett Or Mark. There's a lot of time
Speaker 1: left between now and the start of the season. Brett
Speaker 1: Or Mark's definitely got that bone in his body where
Speaker 1: he can come up with another Taco Bell canteen, a
Speaker 1: moment sure to make the Big twelve a little bit
Speaker 1: more of a sideshow, right Like, He's he's got that
Speaker 1: in him, and I fear there are a lot of
Speaker 1: programs and administrators and guys with dollars signs in their
Speaker 1: eyes who have potential to do just that. Before we
Speaker 1: start this.
Speaker 2: Up, I left off Miami and Florida State. By the way,
Speaker 2: Miami is my acc if should yeah, look, if Miami
Speaker 2: is Miami should win this game, that game, this game,
Speaker 2: that game, especially given what's on their schedule where those
Speaker 2: games are played.
Speaker 3: If cam moart is cam Wart, if he.
Speaker 2: Is everything that we have heaped onto him, yeah, should
Speaker 2: win that game rather comfortably. Miamis Miami has to be the.
Speaker 3: If should, the Classic Ift should?
Speaker 2: The Classic Ift should. And then for Florida State, I'm
Speaker 2: just wondering why it's DJU. I'm just still kind of
Speaker 2: wondering why they Florida State looked at the landscape, and
Speaker 2: I know, I truly think that if Florida State is
Speaker 2: excellent this year or even just really good, I think
Speaker 2: it's an incredible reflection on Mike Norvell and the job
Speaker 2: he will have done by that point, given what they lose.
Speaker 2: But they've recruited very well or decently well for Florida State,
Speaker 2: and there is star power at various places on this
Speaker 2: too deep. But I still wonder why that was specifically
Speaker 2: the move, and I guess we'll find out for better
Speaker 2: or worse this year. I just feel like we've seen
Speaker 2: enough of him to sort of come to the conclusion
Speaker 2: about what he is or is not, and I feel
Speaker 2: like Florida State being on the edge of the playoff
Speaker 2: and now certainly a program that should consider itself playoff
Speaker 2: contenders annually. Given what's going to twelve and then fourteen,
Speaker 2: I just wonder why they didn't go a different direction
Speaker 2: but always wrong. So I don't know. I think that's
Speaker 2: my acc And along with the sort of allusion to
Speaker 2: Mac Brown of just like is this are we just
Speaker 2: at that point of the Mac Brown experience at a
Speaker 2: different place?
Speaker 1: With Carolina is a huge enigma. I have no idea
Speaker 1: what to make in North Carolina. And again it's early.
Speaker 1: We haven't fully done the research in any of these schools,
Speaker 1: but North Carolina, I have no idea what to expect
Speaker 1: from the Tar Hills.
Speaker 2: I can tell you what to expect from Max Johnson. Oh,
Speaker 2: he will make three throws every game in which use
Speaker 2: after which you say to yourself, holy cow, that was incredible.
Speaker 2: And he will make three more throws in that same
Speaker 2: game where you will say to yourself, holy cow, why
Speaker 2: oh why did he ever consider even trying that?
Speaker 3: Right? That's how you hear about quarterbacks who can make
Speaker 3: all the throws. You can't, no, no, he can.
Speaker 1: It to be understood, Yeah, he doesn't make the throws
Speaker 1: the way Quin yours makes the throws. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of pop gun arm in there. He's carrying the mantle
Speaker 1: for one Bryant monies the all time great pop gun arm.
Speaker 2: But he's had some disappointing offensive lines in front of him.
Speaker 2: He's had something like.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 3: But he's serviceable. You know, he's serviceable.
Speaker 1: He can run an offense. He gives you some stability.
Speaker 1: It is kind of an in between time now with
Speaker 1: losing Drake May before him, you know that they've had
Speaker 1: quarterbacks come through North Carolina and be very marketable to
Speaker 1: the next level. But it's a question of is there
Speaker 1: enough balance on the team beyond those quarterbacks to really
Speaker 1: get the job done. Defense, for example, has been ever
Speaker 1: the issue, and now they're going to need to rely
Speaker 1: I think a little bit more on their defense to
Speaker 1: keep them in games because I don't know if Max
Speaker 1: Johnson's going to give them the same firepower quarterback.
Speaker 2: He will give you the correct change at the hardware store. Correct, Okay,
Speaker 2: same page.
Speaker 1: So look, we're gonna get to part two here on
Speaker 1: our next episode. You and I both also have G
Speaker 1: five thoughts, not the least of which is the USSEF stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very high in USF this year. I can't deny my
Speaker 1: feelings any longer. We can start off the next episode
Speaker 1: talking about that in some other G five schools. If
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Speaker 3: To meantime, stay solid, peace,