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Speaker 3: Here, everybody, welcome to another episode of butter NOx. I'm

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Speaker 3: your host, Brandon Butler found the CEO of Butter atl

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Speaker 3: And today and we got one of my favorite people

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Speaker 4: We go.

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Speaker 3: We gotta look, y'all, we got a superstar abuilding. This

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Speaker 3: Miss Don Montgomery. Don, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm amazing. I'm glad to be here. I feel like

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Speaker 3: Girl does the person with like TV shows and all

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Speaker 2: Ah, Yes, well, well Don.

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Speaker 3: Look, man, you know, before we get into this, you

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Speaker 3: We need to make a call, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: So you ready to hear this? Have you ever done

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Speaker 3: So this is what chet chat GIBT says. Don Montgomery

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Speaker 2: Who just ain't bad, That's not bad. That's that girl.

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Speaker 3: That's what Chat said. Good job me, you know, that's

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Speaker 1: Listening you end up finding out who's what their real

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Speaker 3: one of the queens at going viral. Yeah, what's the

438
00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,200
Speaker 3: science behind that? Like, how is it that you're able

439
00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,879
Speaker 3: to just continueously just show up and find those things

440
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,000
Speaker 3: just cause conversations and just you know, get people, get

441
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Speaker 3: people talking.

442
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:37,600
Speaker 2: I am me.

443
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,679
Speaker 1: It's literally me. I've gone around and you've heard me

444
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 1: say this before. I've gone around and I said that

445
00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,480
Speaker 1: there's no strategy to it. When I really sat down

446
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,000
Speaker 1: and I thought about it, and I was like, actually,

447
00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,159
Speaker 1: there is. And it's generally when people in this day

448
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 1: and age want to see someone who is transparent, who

449
00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 1: is actually authentic, doesn't say that they are, but you

450
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,600
Speaker 1: can go to their pay you can see consistently they

451
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:02,879
Speaker 1: don't give a damn.

452
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,440
Speaker 2: I don't like.

453
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,399
Speaker 1: I want people to really realize, like journalists like me

454
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,119
Speaker 1: or former models like me, we still are human.

455
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,919
Speaker 2: I'm a mom, i am a mentor, I am a

456
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,680
Speaker 2: community advocate. I am all of these things, and I'm

457
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 2: going to share certain parts of that. I've gotten to

458
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 2: a point where I don't share my kids a whole

459
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 2: lot no more. But for me, it's been me.

460
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 1: It's been literally like people are looking for something from me,

461
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 1: or this topic is happening, or this is trending online.

462
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 1: I will wake up and by the time I've gone

463
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 1: through most of my day in the morning, by the

464
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 1: time I do jump online, I've already been tagged in

465
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 1: things that people want me to comment on. So it's

466
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 1: almost literally like the demand is there and I am

467
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 1: literally the product, or I am literally the person that

468
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,399
Speaker 1: people are Like. Organizations are coming to me now because

469
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Speaker 1: they realize that I've actually worked with various social justice

470
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Speaker 1: groups like you know, I've worked with off Rep New

471
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 1: Georgia Project, I've worked with Advancement Project, and I've worked

472
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 1: in these various spaces, and when they learned that I've

473
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 1: done those things, they're like, Okay, wait, we need to

474
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 1: get you in the room because what did you do there?

475
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: Like part of what things were you a part of?

476
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 1: And my biggest get a part of me being the

477
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 1: actual product, is my ability to connect people in getting

478
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 1: media coverage. Me and you were just talking about this

479
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: earlier about some things with Morris Brown and how I

480
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 1: feel like there's so many great things happening over there,

481
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: but I would love to see more visibility about that,

482
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 1: right and that being shared and someone like me popping

483
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 1: up and saying, oh my god, did y'all see what

484
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 1: happened at Morris Brown or X, Y and Z. People

485
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: will look at that and people will want to know

486
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 1: more because it's me. So it's literally I haven't I

487
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: don't have it down to a science per se. But

488
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Speaker 1: a part of the strategy is what feels good to me,

489
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: what do I need to respond to and then also

490
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Speaker 1: is it something that I can amplify to put more

491
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 1: eyes on it? And that's why brands and networks are

492
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: now reaching out to me now in this stage of

493
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: my life because they're like, Okay, she's not attached to

494
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: anybody right now, she's like she's she's basically free lass

495
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: and she's able to move around. So how can we

496
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Speaker 1: work with her to create narratives around certain things or

497
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 1: get more eyes on the campaigns or things that we

498
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Speaker 1: have going on?

499
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely? And then I mean talking about strategy too, right,

500
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 3: Like you work with these brands and you know you

501
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 3: understand media strategy, Like where do you think the biggest

502
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 3: gap is between like what these brands kind of understand

503
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 3: when it comes to media strategy and like, actually, you

504
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 3: know how things work in the real world.

505
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Speaker 1: Have black people in the room, Like, if I'm honest, Brandon,

506
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Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure you know this as well. Having

507
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Speaker 1: someone and I don't even mean one person, You're gonna

508
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: need multiple with different backgrounds, someone that has a lived

509
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: experience to where when you get to the table, they're like,

510
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: that's not gonna fly, and let me tell you why.

511
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: And then you need to listen to them because that's

512
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 1: going to save you crisis comms situations, right, Like, it's like,

513
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, you want to

514
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: go through that and you're thinking bad press is all

515
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: good press or whatever. To me, that doesn't exist. Bad

516
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: press is bad press because people are going to remember that.

517
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: So for me, it's mostly every time that I have

518
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: been called in certain situations, even when there's like black

519
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: lead companies and things like that, there are some people

520
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: that aren't in those rooms that have said lead experience,

521
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: lived experience to where they can come in and they

522
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: can shift your strategy, but you have to be able

523
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: to listen to them, right. I think that's partly another

524
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Speaker 1: reason why I do a lot of work outside of Atlanta.

525
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Speaker 2: I've done a lot here.

526
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Speaker 1: You know this, and I've been in some rooms where

527
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Speaker 1: I haven't publicly said that I was a part of

528
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: whatever was going on, and that's intentionally just because I

529
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: respect my relationships. But beyond that, when those people start talking,

530
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: there are people out of the city who are now like, oh,

531
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Speaker 1: we need to get you here, like you know, we

532
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: need to get you over here with what we got

533
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Speaker 1: going on, and I'm gonna go. You gotta check, I'm

534
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: gonna go. But for me, it's more so really having

535
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: us in the room, having those of us who have

536
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: lived experiences that vary from the people that are already

537
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Speaker 1: at the table, and then actually listening like why can't

538
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: you hear us, Like why can't you understand that we

539
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: know a little bit more than you? And it's beyond

540
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: the whole Oh, I went to school for colm strategy.

541
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: I went to school for marketing and strategy. Have you Okay,

542
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: that's great, but have you applied this in the real world?

543
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's no. It's interesting. Like I you know, I

544
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 3: always kind of say, like, at the end of the day,

545
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: brands want to land in culture, right, but like if

546
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 3: you look around the room and the people that are

547
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 3: in the room don't reflect the culture you're trying to

548
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 3: land in, like, how can you authentically do it right?

549
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 3: I've been in a lot of rooms from a marketing standpoint.

550
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Speaker 3: Like one of my favorite stories I love to tell

551
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 3: is there was a there's a Fried Chicken brand, Fried

552
00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 3: Chicken company out here who always has bad cust from

553
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 3: the service every time you go into one of their restaurants.

554
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 3: I remember I was in a we were doing a

555
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 3: campaign with them a long time ago. I was at

556
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Speaker 3: the radio station and it was around football season, and

557
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 3: I looked around and I was the only person looked

558
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 3: like me in the room and chicken. Let me tell you,

559
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 3: let me, let me tell you what they try to do.

560
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 3: Let me tell you they try to do. They said

561
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Speaker 3: they want to do it. They want to they want

562
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Speaker 3: to bring in a gospel choir, and they wanted the

563
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Speaker 3: choir to be basically holding the chicken. And the tagline

564
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 3: they came up with was if football is your religion,

565
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Speaker 3: chicken is ours.

566
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Speaker 1: And then they might as well just throwing some seated

567
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Speaker 1: watermelon and just called.

568
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Speaker 2: It a day. What are we doing?

569
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Speaker 3: And then I promise you, one of the guys in

570
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Speaker 3: the room, who was one of the senior people singing executives.

571
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Speaker 3: He looked at me and he said, Brandon, we gotta,

572
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Speaker 3: we gotta what's that thing black people like to drink?

573
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Speaker 3: And I said, I said, I said water like I

574
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Speaker 3: don't know what's something about. He said, crystal. We need

575
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Speaker 3: to put some.

576
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: Crystal crystyle and chicken is wild.

577
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 3: That's a time out, y'all. I don't think this is

578
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 3: gonna work at all, gonna work And like, get to

579
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 3: your point, right, if I hadn't been in there.

580
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: They would have ran it, would that because to him

581
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: that sounded like the move, that sounded like the thing,

582
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: and quite as this kept, he would have reached a

583
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Speaker 1: certain demographic right.

584
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: But the thing about.

585
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Speaker 1: That is is immediately those of us who can recognize

586
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: the gimmick around that, that can recognize you stereotyping around that,

587
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: it's like we're about to call you out. No, you

588
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: can't do that, like you know, and then you're gonna

589
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: have to pull that. And now you've done all this

590
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: advice marketing by like, you've done all of these things,

591
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: and you've wasted all this money because you didn't have

592
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Speaker 1: somebody like you in their own.

593
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Speaker 3: And people don't understand. Another buddy of mine the other

594
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 3: day because Target reached out to him and they were

595
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 3: basically trying to get his brand. They had offered to

596
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Speaker 3: pay him I on know, like twenty thirty grand and

597
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: they were looking for like eight They were looking for

598
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: black owned businesses that were started by people that were

599
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: meeting HBCUs wow, and they wanted to kind of go around.

600
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 3: It was funny when he told me about it. He

601
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 3: was like, man, let me tell you about this statement.

602
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 3: It's this company hitting me up and they want to

603
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 3: do this and this. He's like, you never guess who

604
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: it is. I said, Oh, it's.

605
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: Target based off of what they're.

606
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: Looking to his target I know for it.

607
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 2: He was like, they know the culture and then they

608
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: get in there.

609
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 3: But like I told him, I said's a couple things

610
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 3: you got to realize. Like one, if you go back

611
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 3: to your HBCU with a big target logo, good luck

612
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 3: above you. You know what I'm saying. I said, you

613
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 3: don't have a whole other set Like a lot of people.

614
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 3: You talked about crisis comms earlier, Like when I was

615
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: at Edleman, I was on the crisis team, Like these

616
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 3: people don't understand, like we build two and a half

617
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 3: three times our rate on crisis work is very lucrative, right,

618
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 3: and that's why I was telling him. I was like, bro,

619
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: like all money ain't good.

620
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: Money at that part.

621
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Speaker 3: Here you can take that check, but like what it's

622
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 3: going to do for your brand for you locally, Like

623
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 3: when you go back.

624
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: From the ground up, so people trust you.

625
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: So when you do attach yourself to someone that they're

626
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: not trusting right now, it's like it's wrong with you,

627
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: Like are you really the person that we've been supporting

628
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: all this time? You know, and you get you feel

629
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: jaded when you see people do that. I mean people

630
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: are jumping about that with Ky Sannatt right now. I

631
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: mean me personally. I had to have an extensive conversation

632
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: with my fourteen year old who just because he's all

633
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: you know that iteration, they know all things about streaming,

634
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: And he's like, wait, he got him and his homeboys on,

635
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: And I say, him and his homeboys are actually kind

636
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: of dumb unless they do these things right. Because again,

637
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: even if he didn't know up front, I think if

638
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: he was, if he pays attention to the critique and

639
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: all of the response from it, and he makes some

640
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: adjustments to where it includes the community, and then he

641
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: gets them to the table with the people who have

642
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: been leading the boycott and having those conversations, then by

643
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: all means I will bow down to Coystannatt. But if

644
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't lead to something like that where you're getting

645
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: a check, bro, and I no longer have any respect

646
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: for you, because you've done so that everybody out because

647
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: you're trying to make your bottom dollar. Yeah, and technically

648
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to do that.

649
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like lord, I told my friend. I was like, man,

650
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: I said, honestly, if I was of you, what I

651
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: would do is I would go back to them and

652
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: I would say, look, I would do this, but y'all

653
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 3: need to not only y'all need to donate a million

654
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: dollars boom to our school boom or better of fact,

655
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: I said, even better, I said, because there's a thing

656
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 3: like at the end of the day, two, no matter

657
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: how much money, even if they donate, it's not gonna

658
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: be enough. Like somebody's gonna say something. Correct, So if

659
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 3: you get a million, somebody that's a that's a twenty

660
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: billion dollar company, they should have gave y'all like it's

661
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: always going to be. They could have done more, I said,

662
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,479
Speaker 3: But I think what you have the ability to do now,

663
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 3: which you have the ability to go back to them

664
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: and say, look like we'll do this campaign with you

665
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: on these terms. Yes, and the terms is I need

666
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: you you know, or I said them, I said, look,

667
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: or give them to donate ten million dollars and go

668
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: to ten different HBCUs. There you go around and like

669
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 3: do this whole thing.

670
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: And then including you know, like understanding that they have

671
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: to come out and say they understand why people were

672
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: boycotting them, and them not realizing that they should have

673
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: sat in their own boardrooms and brought people to the

674
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: table before they made a grand announcement that they were

675
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: divesting in DEI like all of those things. Those things

676
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: are super important right now, and I just think people

677
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: have to understand when companies are divesting, find the ones

678
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: who are still investing, like, let's pull our support over there,

679
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: and then anyway we're supposed to be supporting each other

680
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: in the first fucking place. So it's like, there's ways

681
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: that you can find ways to not deal with Target,

682
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: because the consistent thing that I still see to this

683
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: day is people are still going to Target for certain

684
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: things because they don't know where else to go get it,

685
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what the hell.

686
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: Are you buying there that you can't buy somewhere else.

687
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: Trust me, you can find a website for the product

688
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: or the brand they're there because n was out of ten.

689
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: If you were in Target, you had to have a website.

690
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: So it's like, don't use it as an excuse. So

691
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm not excusing any of that unless you are doing

692
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: what you say, making sure that they're investing in us

693
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: in some capacity. And it's a grand gesture as not

694
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: to like just jump into the culture, but more so

695
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: saying we know we were wrong, We're trying to make

696
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 1: it right. Here's what we are trying to do, and

697
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: then people can make their own judgments on whether or

698
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: not they want to continue to shop with.

699
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: You or deal with you.

700
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it's interesting man. Like me, it was just

701
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: like talking about talking to different folks about it. Like

702
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: that's one things I've kind of said too, is I

703
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: wonder if and you know, we're not going to have

704
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: a whole conversation will tell you good, But like I

705
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: kind of wonder sometimes if it would even make more

706
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: sense to instead of just flat out boycotting them, to say,

707
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: you know what, let's organize everybody. I want you to

708
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: go buy every single black product there is in Target

709
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: and those shelves out.

710
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: So and you know, I've heard that, especially through our

711
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: black press coverage with all of the black newspapers across

712
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: the country, and doctor Benchaves had been a huge leader

713
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: and working with like you know, repping doctor Jamal Bryant

714
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: and all of them, and as well as the original

715
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: people who created the boycott in Minnesota. Minneapolis actually and

716
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: to me in that coverage of seeing that, my response

717
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: to that was, I'm sorry, I'm still not physically going

718
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: into that building. Yeah, you know, I'm because even my purchase,

719
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: like if you think about the tax or you're thinking

720
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: about the other things that they incorporate into the price,

721
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: that still benefits the whole corporation versus not just paying

722
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: for the product per se. So that's why for me,

723
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: it's always been that's almost been a telltale conversation for

724
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: me with some people. I'm like, if I hear you

725
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: say that you still shopping at Target, yeah, stay over there,

726
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: stay over there, because if you don't have the the like,

727
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: the critical thinking skills to say they're doing this thing.

728
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: A lot of people disagree with that, and I should

729
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: be in that pool. But and I need to realize

730
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: that I can go and go support another business that

731
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: has the same products, or I can support that business

732
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: directly by going to their website.

733
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: Then me and you can't.

734
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 3: Talk and like it'sially black holes. They made it. A

735
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 3: part of it was tar you know what I'm saying.

736
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: We created a culture around Target, like the tiktoks around

737
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: Target shopping and.

738
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: Ya, but that was us. Yeah, that was us.

739
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: So the fact that you say that you're removing this thing,

740
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: and yes, I even had like a couple of like

741
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: marketing people in legal folks in the legal field, you know,

742
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: kind of break down with it actually meant for them

743
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: to say that out loud. I was like, but it

744
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: was still wrong. You know, you have to break that down.

745
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that we're getting rid of the products

746
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: in here. That doesn't mean that we're stopping contracts that

747
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: we have with black owned businesses.

748
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: This is what it actually means.

749
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: You say that they didn't do that, so therefore now

750
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: they're still in crisis.

751
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: Mode, right, And yeah, theydn't throw all theF I just

752
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: you know, I think that we're again we're getting ready

753
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: to come up on back to school time soon. I

754
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: think we can hold on through back to school. We

755
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: don't have some real leverage.

756
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: That'd be the way.

757
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, are we really boycott Dollar Tree and

758
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: Family Dollar and Dollar General?

759
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: Because where where I'm gonna get the paper from? Where

760
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get the pencils?

761
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: Like, it's no like And you know, the funny thing

762
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: is is I've seen at local gas stations, especially because

763
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: I've been traveling a lot, I've been seen at local

764
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: gas station is where there are certain products in there

765
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: that I've never seen before. So maybe these gas stations

766
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: are waking up to being like, okay, if they're not

767
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: going here, which we know is a huge store in

768
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: our city or area, then maybe we can contact some

769
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: of these companies and have this stuff in here. I've

770
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: seen I seen a loosely paper and in a gas station,

771
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: I've never seen that. I'm just gonna be honest with you,

772
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: I've never seen that. I grabbed like five pass you

773
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: know you did, right, and a bucket of chicken. All right,

774
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: so we good so, But in general, for me, it's

775
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,959
Speaker 1: like this is this is a major opportunity for people

776
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: to really create lists where people can go to get

777
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: said supplies and things like that and support them.

778
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 3: Okay, this is why. And you know what, I've been

779
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: saying this for years. I'm gonna start me a trash

780
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: bad company and people just laugh at me when I

781
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: say that, but I'm like, love.

782
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: I always laugh and it's like the third type of

783
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: person said.

784
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, but let me tell you. Let me tell you,

785
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 3: like y'all don't care about glad and heifty don't and

786
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: a black I have me a black I'm you know

787
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 3: what I've been looking I'm going to start this black

788
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: old trash.

789
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: Back you do it, and I'm gonna find out I've

790
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: been looking for the the who who does wholesale for

791
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: like recycled bands and trash beds, and we'll go into

792
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: business together.

793
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 4: Like I'm telling you, man, I'm telling you know.

794
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 3: So again obviously with this this, you know you've got

795
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: a big strong stance on advocacy. You've had some experiences

796
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: that revolt you know, like how is that like impacted

797
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: you know, your your ability to just kind of navigate

798
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 3: the media world and opportunities. Is that had any backlashes

799
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 3: kind of worked out for you? Like always stand in

800
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: your business.

801
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: Citing bro like the death threats I got off of

802
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: people not really knowing how much I.

803
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: Actually got paid to do that podcast.

804
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: I was like, if you knew how much I got paid,

805
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: you would get somewhere and sit down.

806
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: That was a drop in the bucket.

807
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: That was a major opportunity that was brought to me

808
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: by a good friend of mine who used to he

809
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: was He's from Mississippi. Shout out to doctor because she

810
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: made this connection. She had a whole dinner was a

811
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: bunch of us that are transplants here in the state

812
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: of I mean in Georgia in Atlanta, and Darius was

813
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: at that table, and Darius, after hearing my story because

814
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: we all got to share what we do and all

815
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: the things. Mike was there and some other people and

816
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: it was like, yo, he was like, I might need

817
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: to get you on this show. And I saw it

818
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: as a major opportunity. Hits why I was willing to

819
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: take you know, whatever how much I was getting paid

820
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: and the opportunity itself. But I think a lot of

821
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: people also have to remember when you're in those type

822
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: of spaces, you're not an actual employee who said company.

823
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: You're a contractor so nonsense. That team, you might not

824
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: have to deal with one of the main people.

825
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: But my my.

826
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: Pushback on that was me knowing certain things that I knew,

827
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: and then me being a survivor. If it were me

828
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: and I had someone I actually supported or listened to

829
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: on the podcast network and that person still showed up

830
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: to go to work, or still showed up to do

831
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: another season, or still did whatever they wanted to do,

832
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: how would that make me feel?

833
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: Again, this comes back to me and how I feel.

834
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: And literally my intuition was just like, Okay, let them

835
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: people know that you're thinking about, you know, leaving, or

836
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: that you want to hear something from leadership and give

837
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: them a little time before you make a decision. And

838
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: when I didn't hear anything, I was just like, Okay,

839
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm gone, and I get it. You know, that's not

840
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: a major loss to them in a sense, but to me,

841
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: I literally had to make a decision that I would

842
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: be proud of. I wanted to actually have a series

843
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: of episodes on the next season of that podcast that

844
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: talked about sexual abuse, manipulation, coersion, things like that of

845
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: that nature, like literally around that survivor conversation because we

846
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: had women previously on that podcast who were survivors and

847
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: had turned that into something else.

848
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying.

849
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: So it's like, oh, let's go a little deeper in that,

850
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: because I feel like everybody has a story and they

851
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: have something that they can share, but how do you

852
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: get past that? And that was something that I felt

853
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: would have been beneficial to the audience, But when that happened,

854
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: it was like, how can you carry that out? Knowing

855
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: that this is happening and leadership is not saying anything

856
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: directly at the moment, because again, I think they were

857
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: somewhat blindsided themselves, especially for some of the people that

858
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: I can remember that were in position or what have you.

859
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: And then go from there. But I literally had.

860
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: Some dark days dealing with that because it was like

861
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: me making that decision then like my full time job

862
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: at the time, realized that I was working on a podcast,

863
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: God forbid, somebody need some extra money on the side

864
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: and they want.

865
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: To work in the evening.

866
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: Then it was a.

867
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: Matter of like at the time, I was somewhat dating

868
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: this guy and when he saw my tweet, he was like,

869
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: you don't even know if he's guilty, And I'm like, bro,

870
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: you actually know my story, so for you to be like, like,

871
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: give me tens, give me a tens.

872
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: No, I can't.

873
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: And then when video came out, that's when I got

874
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: a text message from him because I shut it off again.

875
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: You know me, if I don't deal with you, I

876
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: just don't deal with you.

877
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: But when the video came out, he was one of

878
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: the first people to apologize to me. He was like,

879
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: no matter what transpire or what is in those court documents,

880
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: you read that first before you made.

881
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: Your decision, and you gave them time.

882
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: So I respect you for even doing that because most

883
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: people would have just made an impulse decision. And it

884
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: wasn't an impulse decision. It was very calculated. I talked

885
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: to my therapist three or four times before I made

886
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: a decision. I talked to my entire family. My mom

887
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: is a pastor. I talked to her because I felt like,

888
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, if I did go viral yet again, which

889
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: is what I did, and I was like, I didn't

890
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: think nobody was paying attention to me at that time.

891
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 3: You know.

892
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 2: That it would raise eyes. And I know people know her.

893
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: I know people know my family, especially in Mississippi and

894
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: all the things, and so It was one of those

895
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: things where I generally, for those any viral moments that

896
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: I've ever had in general, outside of Black Revolt, my fai,

897
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: I've always had to let my family like, hey, I

898
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: might go viral for this, or hey, I'm about to

899
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: post something sometime. We got a whole group chat. Y'all

900
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: be thinking I'll be thirstrapping. My family probably don't seen

901
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: it before I posted it, you know what I'm saying,

902
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: because I'm just making sure everybody's good. But it taught

903
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: me that I have learned, even at such a young

904
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: age when I had to testify against my father who

905
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: sexually abused me and saw him go to jail. He

906
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: pleaded guilty, all he changed his plea after my testimony,

907
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: and me knowing the power of my voice no matter

908
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: what in my life, I have grown into that. So

909
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: for me to be this at this big age, you know,

910
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: to really say we don't need.

911
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: That, you know, let me move on.

912
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: And I moved on, and yeah, people question it, and

913
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to raise my voice to kind of say,

914
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: this is why I did it, this is where I'm

915
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: coming from. And you know, Daris supposed to producer of

916
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: that show. He has been one of the most supportive

917
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: men during that entire time, and I respect him so

918
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: heartily for that because he didn't have to do that.

919
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: He has his own podcast while while black, you know,

920
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: all the things, and it's he was just.

921
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: Very supportive and I needed that.

922
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: And I think even just having that one person, like

923
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: you said, always having like that one person that advocates

924
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: for you. You've been that person, you know, solo at

925
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: ninety four point five. It has been that person streets

926
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: ninety four point five, And I just think I've just

927
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: always been blessed to be around certain people that really

928
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: want to see me win. And they might not understand

929
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: the decisions that I make or the shit I post,

930
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, if they know

931
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: that they need to cause somebody like me to come

932
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: in to kind of talk to their clients or talk

933
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: to interns, or talk to their employees or you know,

934
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: be a part of campaigns, they know to call me.

935
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, obviously, again, through your career, you've had a

936
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: lot of changes.

937
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 4: You know.

938
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: One thing you've talked about is like change and pivoting

939
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: is like very empowering.

940
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love a good pivot.

941
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: You know, Like, what do you say that like the

942
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: creative entrepreneur, the things that a pivot is a failure,

943
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 3: like instead of seeing it as an opportunity for success

944
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: or just like recreate themselve.

945
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: So to me, when people don't want to pivot, they

946
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: find themselves in very low places. So then you start

947
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: making certain decisions that would not align with anything that

948
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: you're trying to do in the future. Right also mentally,

949
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: because I'm a big advocate of mental health, you will

950
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: find yourself in some of the lowest places that if

951
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: you had just made an adjustment, or if you had

952
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: to just made a pivot, or if you had to

953
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: just rebrand it, or if you had to just gave

954
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: it up, like just that's not gonna work, it's time

955
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: to move on. To me, it's just you have to

956
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: really be able to let go. And I think the

957
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: beauty in what I've consistently done in anybody that has

958
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: followed me, from when I was a blogger to model too, journalists,

959
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: to all the things y'all know, when I'm not satisfied

960
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: or if i don't feel like i'm doing or i'm

961
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: living up to my best potential in something that I'm doing,

962
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: whatever role position, this can be in any aspect of life.

963
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 2: I will leave as my age husband, like.

964
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: I will leave, And that's not to disrespect him, it's

965
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: just more so like he didn't believe it until I

966
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: did it.

967
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying.

968
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: And I think that that's such an empowering thing because

969
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: when you decide to leave, yes you do have to

970
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: start over, or yes you might have some pieces that

971
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: you can take with you to build a point. But

972
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: to me, I love a good lego moment like now

973
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 1: got bare pieces?

974
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: Now what can I build from that? Right?

975
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people don't really think

976
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: that I'm going through those things just because I'm showing

977
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: a very human and fun side of my life, just

978
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: because I'm in a really good place in my life

979
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: right now and I'm over forty.

980
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 3: You can agree to this.

981
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: We are very happy to be here.

982
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: Happy.

983
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 2: We are very happy to be here.

984
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: So when I say if there's a pivot moment, I

985
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: don't even think twice about it. I might question it,

986
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,479
Speaker 1: I might give it a minute, like a day or two,

987
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 1: but if I need to make a change, it's done.

988
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: Like I'm not move on.

989
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: And I think as creatives, you stunt your growth when

990
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: you don't do that, like you don't You don't even

991
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: understand that there's another opportunity waiting on you, right, Yeah,

992
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: And I know it's difficult, but baby, find find a therapist.

993
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: That's that's one of my first things. Find somebody.

994
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: Find a therapist and find somebody that can be like

995
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: your accountability partner. Those two people, you're gonna get through

996
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: that one.

997
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: One of my one of my favorite calls I tell

998
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: people all the time is you don't have to keep

999
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 3: making a mistake because you took a long time to

1000
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: make it.

1001
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: Ooh, I don't think i've ever heard you say that.

1002
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: Some bars bar that is a bar.

1003
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: Why don't you make I need a bar book? But

1004
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: that's really good.

1005
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: That's that's a good point because if you look at

1006
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: that too, if you're if you remove professional right, think

1007
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: about personal. You'll be in a relationship knowing that she

1008
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: ain't working out. You're being a marriage knowing that she's

1009
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: not working out. But the second of the kids or

1010
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: the relationship we've been together since college, I don't give

1011
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: a damn is no longer working and it's okay.

1012
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 2: You can move on.

1013
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's the beauty of like even with

1014
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: me bringing up my ex husband.

1015
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: You know I we co.

1016
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: Parent very well and we respect each other, and I'm like, shit, that's.

1017
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: All I want it, Like it's like da you know,

1018
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: how come I can get that there? And you know

1019
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: we could have been best friends, you know, like, but

1020
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: we're good. We're good, and I'm proud of that.

1021
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: Like even my oldest son's father, that's one of my

1022
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: best friends. Like he's one of the first people. He

1023
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: was one of the first people to call me when

1024
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: I made the decision, and he sorry, go viral, I'm

1025
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: thinking of you.

1026
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 3: What do you need?

1027
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: You know, we love you over here. He has a

1028
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: whole ass wife, you know what I'm saying, And she

1029
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: was cool. She sent me a text message. She was

1030
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: at work, she's locked in, but she's like, hey, I

1031
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: know he gave you a call. Like I'm we're proud

1032
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: of you, like we love that. And so to know

1033
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: that I actually have people support in real life. The

1034
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: moments that I go viral or get dragged or drugged

1035
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: or talked about online, that does not amount to that.

1036
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: And it could easily be three people over here amongst

1037
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: thousands of people online. But no, I'm not worried about that.

1038
00:45:58,800 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about that at all.

1039
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 3: Before we wrap up, Donald, just want to ask, like,

1040
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 3: you know, you've done all kinds of stuff, but like,

1041
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 3: what's something that you've done that you're really proud of

1042
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 3: professionally that maybe like hasn't gotten the spotlight, but it's

1043
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 3: really kind of shaped to the who you've become as

1044
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: a person.

1045
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 1: Me right now, what I'm doing right now with Okay

1046
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,959
Speaker 1: Player my podcast, To be clear, I'm so fucking proud

1047
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: of that. Like it's it's almost like, how did I

1048
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: say this. I've always had doubts. I've always had doubts

1049
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: about being upfront. You know this, Me and you have

1050
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: talked about this. Visibility does scare me. For me to

1051
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: be that viral all the time, the visibility does scare me.

1052
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: But I think I've done a lot of things where

1053
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: I was a co host, or I was a producer

1054
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, or I was doing all the things.

1055
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: You remember when I was at the Atlanta Voice, I

1056
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: was doing fifty million jobs and still making sure that

1057
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: things were executed correctly. You know what I'm saying. But

1058
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: for me to really say to myself at this time,

1059
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: you're leaving this full time job. You just walked away

1060
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: from this other podcast, and you have these various networks

1061
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: reaching out to you that want to work with you,

1062
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: and they want to center a show around you. Why

1063
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: are you doubting yourself in this moment? It's time for

1064
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: you to step up? And literally, you know. I know

1065
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: people say that they hear God and all the things,

1066
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: and I've only heard him a couple of times in

1067
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: my life and every time I've listened, But this time

1068
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: it was like, when you do it, I have you.

1069
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: When you do it, I have you. Sorry, excuse me

1070
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: what I'm jumping, you know, And that process was literally

1071
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: I want to say all of that went down with

1072
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: Revolt what November twenty twenty three in a sense, I

1073
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: want to say the next phone the last phone call

1074
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: that I took from a network was Okay Player. And

1075
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: one of the first things that I should say, the

1076
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 1: CEO of Okay Players said to me on that call.

1077
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: She said, Hey, before we get started, I want to

1078
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: know how you're doing. Everybody else. We want you to

1079
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: be on our network because we can see blah blah

1080
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: blahlah blah.

1081
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: In my mind, I'm like, you don't.

1082
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: Realize that I actually see that you were trying to

1083
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: jump off of the momentum of me leaving this network

1084
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: and you wanting to gain that and all the things,

1085
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: not realizing that I'm a person and here it is

1086
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: this black woman says, how are you doing? I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm sold what y'all want me to do? Like use me,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it started with December

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three and we did like auditions for a

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Speaker 1: co host. They trusted me on that. We had like

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00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: twelve applicants for that. We got to the fourth one

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00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: that was Freddie BTV and I loved him energy, chemistry,

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00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: like we didn't have to fake nothing, we didn't have

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Speaker 1: to figure stuff out. And I was like, stop the auditions.

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00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: I want him, like he has to be it. Me

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00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: and him stayed in touch. We ended up learning that

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00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 1: we had mutuals. Come to find out he went I

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00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: went to school with eToro you know what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: at Tennessee State and Marshall restis so Marsha Lattimore.

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Speaker 2: And it's just a beautiful thing that.

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Speaker 1: I'm just so proud of myself that I decided to

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Speaker 1: bet on myself again that I am growing into it.

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Speaker 1: And I took time from December twenty twenty three to

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Speaker 1: May twentieth of twenty twenty five this year to say,

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Speaker 1: this is my thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm executive producer. Had I created this show.

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Speaker 1: I basically like, if I wanted to walk away from

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Speaker 1: all of this, I can go with a proof of

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Speaker 1: concept because look at the damn views on this shit, right, Like,

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00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: look at the engagement that it gets on okay players

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00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: like social channels. A lot of people were so like

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00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: this is weird because it's different programming for them, But

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00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: now they're like coming back. They want more, they want

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00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: to see more guests. They're not realizing that I know

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00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: a lot of the people that I'm bringing on the show,

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00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: Like tell I think I've told you before where people

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00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: are very shocked that I know certain people you know,

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00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: and that's just in any industry. And I'm like, that's

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00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: just because I'm not always taking a picture with these people.

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Speaker 1: When I'm with them, I trust my relationship. So I'm

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Speaker 1: extremely glad and proud of myself that I've gotten to

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Speaker 1: this point and that I've done the work to get here.

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Speaker 1: Everything was leading up to this, and even if this

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00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: stops its season one and I've got to pivot to

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Speaker 1: go to something else.

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Speaker 2: I'm damn proud. Like it's like I can.

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00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: Walk away and be like, oh shit, you gonna find

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Speaker 1: me something else, you know, And it is what it

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00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: is because again it started with me. It begins with

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00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: me all the things, and it's gonna end with me,

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00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: like I'm the product.

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Speaker 2: It's me.

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00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: And beyond that, like understanding that sometimes when you're down,

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00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: when things are just you, you have to have other things

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00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 1: that you have going on that brings in different sources

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00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: of income. So for me, it's like, even if this

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00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: one thing stops, I have these other things coming in

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00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: or other things that I'm doing because I'm also working

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00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: in other spaces.

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Speaker 2: So it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Well look, Don, congratulations all this says you know, as always,

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00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 3: you're killing it. You one of my favorite people out here.

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00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 3: Very proud of you. Before we get out of here, Please,

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00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: how can people find you? Follow you, support you, give

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00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 3: them all the things.

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00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: Not that y'all need to find me, because y'all probably

1147
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: know where I am, but if in case I am

1148
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: new to you, you can find me on Twitter because

1149
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: I call it Twitter, not X at Underscore Don Montgomery,

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00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: and that's don d A w N because a lot

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Speaker 1: of people d o N.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me.

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00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram. I am also on Blue Sky's same

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00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: name as well. I'm on I just got on Facebook

1155
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: just for the show. It's stressful over there. I am

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00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: on spil as well every now and then. But outside

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00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: of that, I mean, I also have, like in my

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00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: link tree on Instagram, ways that people can email me

1159
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: or book a strategy session with me. I can talk

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00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: strategy about anything, literally because I have certifications and a

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00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: lot of things.

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Speaker 3: So I'm here absolutely, absolutely with Don. We appreciate you. Congratulations,

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00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 3: keep on going here killing it. You know, I appreciate you.

1164
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 3: You know, let's always say I appreciate y'all, you know,

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00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 3: stopping the PJ for a second and stopping by before

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Speaker 3: you go.

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00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: I haven't gotten to the PJ. See my tweet last

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00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: about a week ago. I need more friends with PJ.

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00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: It's like, if you got a private jet, come talk

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00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: to me, like we can barter.

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00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: I will work for free, like I'm not kidding, but no.

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00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 3: But no, thank you so much for pulling up Don.

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00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 3: And with that said, out that's the pod, y'all you've

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00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 3: been listening to Button Nomics and I'm your hosts Brandon Butler,

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00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: Got comments, feedback, Want to be on the show, Send

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00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 3: us an email today at hello at butternomics dot com.

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Speaker 3: Butter Nomics is producing in Atlanta, Georgia at iHeartMedia by

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00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,719
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Speaker 4: Bout bukutununt