WEBVTT - Inside The Playboy Mansion with Holly Madison...

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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<v Speaker 1>you a Charlotte?

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<v Speaker 2>Hi?

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today we have

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<v Speaker 1>the lovely Holly Madison who is going to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>us about the LA episode where we film at the

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<v Speaker 1>Playboy Mansion. She has obviously a lot of insight and

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<v Speaker 1>she's a television personality.

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<v Speaker 3>You may know her from Girls next Door and she's.

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<v Speaker 1>Also a New York Times bestselling author, which I love,

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<v Speaker 1>and she has a lot of fascinating things to say.

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<v Speaker 3>So enjoy this conversation with Holly Madison.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is very exciting. I'm so excited to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you. We've never talked before. I didn't get to

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<v Speaker 1>meet you back back in the day. But also, from

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<v Speaker 1>what I understand, when we film Sex and City at

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<v Speaker 1>the Playboy Mansion, you had not moved in yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>No? And I'm so bummed I missed out on I

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<v Speaker 2>got the opportunity to do cameo on some pretty iconic

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<v Speaker 2>shows there, like we did Entourage and Curb Your Enthusiasm,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wow, just missed Sex in the City, which

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<v Speaker 2>is such a bummers. I'm such a big fan of it. Like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>watch that every week when I was at the mansion

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<v Speaker 2>and we did, Yeah, we did. Half was a huge

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<v Speaker 2>fan of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so strange because the whole experience for me

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<v Speaker 1>and for us in general, was very surreal, very strange.

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<v Speaker 1>Helf was very nice to us, like really sweet and

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<v Speaker 1>very like almost like your uncle or something, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like like it was hard to believe that he was him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's how he comes off to

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<v Speaker 2>most people. I mean, that's the person that I fell

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<v Speaker 2>in love with. Obviously, my situation grew a lot more complicated,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's interesting because like I also feel and I

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<v Speaker 1>personally had like such conflict, internal conflict about filming there

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<v Speaker 1>and making it seem kind of like fun and.

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<v Speaker 3>Light, I guess would be the word, which is not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like the vibe that I personally had about Playboy.

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<v Speaker 1>Though at that point in time, things were getting like

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<v Speaker 1>you guys were very mainstream.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Oh yeah, do you feel that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that episode came out in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and he had been like you know, he got separated

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<v Speaker 2>from his wife a few years earlier and started having

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<v Speaker 2>the parties at the mansion again and those were you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I always tell people like it's hard to believe, but

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<v Speaker 2>those were like the cool parties in La that you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to go to that were super hard to get into.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I got invited to my first one, I

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<v Speaker 2>was so excited. It was just such like a bucketless thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And how did you get invited?

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<v Speaker 2>I was working for Hawaiian Tropic and at one of

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<v Speaker 2>the events, half's doctor came to the event and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to invite all these girls to the party.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was super excited.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And was this one of the like pajama parties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The first party I went to was their biggest party.

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<v Speaker 2>It was called Midsummer Night's Dream. They had that every

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<v Speaker 2>August and it was kind of this like fairy them

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<v Speaker 2>like Twinkle Lights Wonderland that they turned the backyard into

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<v Speaker 2>and it was cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we filmed there, we go to a party.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of slightly confusing because we arrived in the daytime,

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<v Speaker 1>we're kind of wearing bathing suits. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>the heck we were thinking in the costume department. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we were confused, right, But it wasn't supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be the Pajama party or the Midsummer Nights party.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just some vague party. When you watched the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you think like, oh, that's accurate, l though that's

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<v Speaker 1>totally inaccurate, or what were your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty accurate, Like I can't pinpoint, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what party that was supposed to be, Like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit like the Fun in the sun Pool parties,

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<v Speaker 2>but there were a lot more people there in your guys' scene,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more extras. The Fun in the sun Pool

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<v Speaker 2>parties would have like girls come up and like enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>the pool and everything. Half and his friends would be

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<v Speaker 2>playing backgammon by the pool, and some of his guy

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<v Speaker 2>friends would be out on the tennis courts. But it

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be very many people at all, like less than

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<v Speaker 2>fifty people, so they were pretty intimate. I would say

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<v Speaker 2>the party I can compare the most to what you

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<v Speaker 2>guys did was maybe like the Fourth of July party,

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<v Speaker 2>because that would be like a bigger daytime party and

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<v Speaker 2>then it would kind of move into a night time party.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of I think that's the only party they

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<v Speaker 2>threw that was like that that went from day to night.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting and then so in our scenes where we come in,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that we filmed things that didn't end

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<v Speaker 1>up in the show. At least I remember things that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think are in the show. One was that

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<v Speaker 1>we had this scene where we were walking in and

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<v Speaker 1>there were people, you know, girls in assorted small bikinis,

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<v Speaker 1>playing with bubbles. I don't know what the heck we

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<v Speaker 1>were doing, but like, what, how what was regular life

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<v Speaker 1>there like versus a party or when people would come,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, regae.

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<v Speaker 2>It was pretty quiet during like a week day, but

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, it wasn't totally private like a

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<v Speaker 2>home either. I started giving tours at the mansion because

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<v Speaker 2>they tours like a few times a week, like in

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<v Speaker 2>the mornings on weekdays, and they would do it for

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<v Speaker 2>like contest winners or like military or people like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I'm going to give people a tour of

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<v Speaker 2>the grounds or whatever. And then one wing of the

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<v Speaker 2>house was offices, so that's where half would go to work,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was like a whole secretary staff down there.

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<v Speaker 2>And then aside from his parties, sometimes at night they

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<v Speaker 2>would rent out the backyard for like corporate events and

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<v Speaker 2>things like that, So that would kind of be like

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<v Speaker 2>a whole separate world. So that was kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>day to day life of the house for me and

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<v Speaker 2>the other girls living there. We would just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>during the day do whatever, you know, whatever shopping errands,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some of us were still in college or

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<v Speaker 2>going to school and things like that. We would do that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we had like a face Miss nine o'clock curfew,

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<v Speaker 2>and there would be different activities every night a week,

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<v Speaker 2>like a couple nights a week, like Wednesday and Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>He would take us out to nightclubs. Wednesday night, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday night was a club night. Thursday night we would

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<v Speaker 2>usually like go out to a restaurant, Friday was a

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<v Speaker 2>club night. Saturday and Sunday he would have movie nights.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course. Sunday during the day was a pool party.

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<v Speaker 2>Monday he would gather with like his guy friends and

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<v Speaker 2>watch a movie. He called that manly night, So us

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<v Speaker 2>girls didn't really have anything to do on Monday. And

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<v Speaker 2>then two we would usually play like board games or something.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a whole varietow all over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is so fascinating. I need to read your book.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to read your book and get all the

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<v Speaker 1>details because now I'm super interested.

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<v Speaker 3>How many girls were there when you lived there?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, during the last four years I was there when

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<v Speaker 2>we were doing the Girl's next Door show, it was

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<v Speaker 2>just three of us. But when I first moved in,

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<v Speaker 2>he was kind of in this seven girlfriends era and

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<v Speaker 2>that was just a nightmare. When I was there for that,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody got along and it was a constant revolving door.

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<v Speaker 2>So it wasn't even the same set of seven girls

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<v Speaker 2>when I first moved in, as there was like three

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<v Speaker 2>or four years later. So it was this cast of

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<v Speaker 2>characters that was just all really competitive, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>my least favorite time living there, for sure. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just a mess.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when we were there, there were there were a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of girls. I mean probably they brought extras and

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<v Speaker 1>whatever in, I don't know. They were all obviously gorgeous

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<v Speaker 1>and you know whatnot wearing small clothing, and we chatted

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<v Speaker 1>with them, but not a lot like they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>had they they would put them in a separate place

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<v Speaker 1>and then we Our place that we were supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>spend the day was the game room.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it was so weird. It is it's a capsule

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<v Speaker 2>out there. The game room was a whole separate like

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<v Speaker 2>guest cottage on the property. And it was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>this weird combination of like seventies arcade games and eighties

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<v Speaker 2>arcade games, and then Have's girlfriend in the seventies Barbie

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<v Speaker 2>Benton had like deck heated it like all old school

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<v Speaker 2>like American antiques. So there was a weird mix of

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<v Speaker 2>like American antiques and like seventies eighties pinball machines.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and then there was this Okay, that's so crazy

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<v Speaker 1>that it was Barbie Benton, who of course, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people of my generation know. There was like a pit,

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<v Speaker 1>like a carpeted area with like a.

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<v Speaker 2>Seating bare room.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeh, what the heck was that?

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<v Speaker 2>That was like a like a sex room on the side,

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<v Speaker 2>and it had like a cat. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, we were scared.

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<v Speaker 2>We were scared, Okay. So I had like a car

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<v Speaker 2>for the mattress floor with like pillows, and then there

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<v Speaker 2>were like mirrored walls and like the corners looked like mirrors.

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<v Speaker 2>But then if you turned on a light, it would

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<v Speaker 2>like the mirror would like disappear and it would be

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<v Speaker 2>like sex statues would be find We.

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<v Speaker 3>Saw the sex statues.

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<v Speaker 1>We did see the sex statues and we were like,

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<v Speaker 1>why are we in here?

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<v Speaker 3>Like because it was a long day.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, so they were trying to find somewhere like theoretically

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable for us. But we had a weird vibe in

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<v Speaker 1>that room, so I think we tried to move.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of people thought that house was haunted too.

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<v Speaker 1>It definitely had a lot of like kind of dark energy.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, yeah, I mean it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>dark house as well. It looks like an old dark house.

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<v Speaker 3>But then so.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, oh good, it's giving you stress just think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But when we went okay, so let's think about the

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<v Speaker 1>party itself on film. And I don't know whose idea

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<v Speaker 1>it was or I feel like the guys in our

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<v Speaker 1>world were really into showing all this, right like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in a way you know that they would be.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's so the grotto is you know, part of

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<v Speaker 3>part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And as the night goes on, you like, none of

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<v Speaker 1>the girls have tops on and whatever is this what

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<v Speaker 1>would happen sometimes?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sometimes people would get a little crazier at night.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what was crazy about the parties is

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<v Speaker 2>I always say that at the parties I never saw

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<v Speaker 2>any thing too wild. I would hear about it, but

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<v Speaker 2>like as a girlfriend, I would always kind of have

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<v Speaker 2>to be seated at the table with half which would

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<v Speaker 2>be over by the dance floor, and believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 2>people would be more on their best behavior in front

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<v Speaker 2>of him, because everybody wanted to stay on the list,

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to get invited back. So it would be

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<v Speaker 2>more like I would hear from other playmates that like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I saw this in the grotto at

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<v Speaker 2>two am, but that was all the stuff we would

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<v Speaker 2>see really got it.

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<v Speaker 1>So what would good behavior be for hef like meaning

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<v Speaker 1>guys wouldn't be too aggressive with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys not you, but the other non girlfriends.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>What was the like my thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That I felt upset about because they wanted us to

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<v Speaker 1>all go to a pajama party in some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>agreement about us filming there, and I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>am not going to that pajama party. I don't understand this,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that seems a weird situation to put myself in.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt worried, and also you had to wear some

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<v Speaker 1>skimpy what I was just like, I can't even get

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<v Speaker 1>my mind around this, And I don't know if that

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<v Speaker 1>was really silly of me or not, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, Like, what was the vibe in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the guy woman situation at the parties?

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<v Speaker 2>I think for most guests. I mean, obviously I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>stories that aren't this too, but I think for most

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<v Speaker 2>guests it was okay. I think if you were really

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<v Speaker 2>having a problem with somebody, they could tell you could

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<v Speaker 2>tell security and they would have them removed. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to imagine having them removed would be easier

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<v Speaker 2>for somebody who's more of an anonymous guy and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>not like a big celebrity. But I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty safe place for most party goers, again with

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<v Speaker 2>the allowance that I've also heard that that hasn't been

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<v Speaker 2>the case with some people, But I think for the

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<v Speaker 2>most part, most people had a good experience at the

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<v Speaker 2>parties got.

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<v Speaker 1>It so people did have a feeling of like I

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<v Speaker 1>want to be here, I want to get invited back.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm it's super fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there were drugs, but I'm still going to

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<v Speaker 1>behave like as much as you know, like I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to freak out. Well that's good to know, because

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what to think. I just remember all

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<v Speaker 1>all the guys I knew wanted to go, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and where it was seemed like, you know, for them,

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<v Speaker 1>like for the men.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I didn't really feel like, yes, I would

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<v Speaker 1>like to put myself in that in that situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Like at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it was also very interesting to be there

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of I felt at the time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was very much held up as being empowering for

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<v Speaker 1>women in some way, but I feel like we don't

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<v Speaker 1>think of it that way now, that way, correct, Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean I think that was what I bought into as

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<v Speaker 2>well when I went there, is like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to have this experience, as you know, being in

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<v Speaker 2>the magazine and being seen as sexy and whatever. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was just in like the deepest, deepest like inner

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<v Speaker 2>ring where it really wasn't liberating anymore. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>that was generally, you know, Playboy was accepted as like

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<v Speaker 2>this acceptable retro brand that like you're grew up with

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<v Speaker 2>and everything. You know, it seemed pretty tame at the.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, right, right, It's interesting, it's interesting, but honestly, and

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<v Speaker 1>this might be just like really too farward.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to say we can cut it out.

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<v Speaker 1>But like I thought, my innocent little self, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you guys did did because at the time that

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<v Speaker 1>we filmed, you weren't there yet, it wasn't the girl's

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<v Speaker 1>next door yet. And then when the girls nextraor happened,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was all fake. Like I just assumed

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<v Speaker 1>you guys were not having to have sex with Half.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a lot of people thought that. Yeah, my first

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<v Speaker 2>you know, moved into the group and like agreed to

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<v Speaker 2>like go out with Half and everything. I still wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>clear on what was going on. Like I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there has to be something going on, so I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to go kind of check it out, see what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But I didn't know how much would be going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Or it was very ambiguous because you know, he'd be

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<v Speaker 2>out there talking about how he takes viaggor all the

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<v Speaker 2>time and these are all my girlfriends and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But like people didn't really believe it. They thought this

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<v Speaker 2>has to be a publicity stunt there.

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<v Speaker 3>I did not. Yeah, I did not believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>So no one explained it to you, Like no one

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<v Speaker 1>said this is what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh wow. Yeah, so you just got sucked in, but

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<v Speaker 3>little by little.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally. I think when I talked about my situation

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<v Speaker 2>and people were like, well, you knew what you were

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<v Speaker 2>getting into. They're picturing that scene in Fifty Shades of

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<v Speaker 2>Gray where she sits down at the table and she's

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<v Speaker 2>given like this big contract about the consent and what's

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen, and there's nothing like that up there.

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<v Speaker 2>It is kind of something you can get into like

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<v Speaker 2>little by little and kind of like lose yourself. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very unstructured in that way.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I'm sorry that that happened to you and all

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<v Speaker 1>the other people.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it was really held up as like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>empowering for you guys and supporting you guys in your dreams.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, he seemed so kind of just like

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<v Speaker 3>fuddy duddy ish, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he was wearing the weird clothes, but like

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<v Speaker 1>I remember when he was filming, he was very nice,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, like in a kind of an Uncle

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<v Speaker 1>Lee kind of a way.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he got up.

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<v Speaker 1>And you were just like he's so little and old.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you know, but yeah, this other stuff was still

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<v Speaker 1>going on, which just really blows my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was crazy for sure. And I have to

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<v Speaker 2>say the scene you guys did there, the casting was

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<v Speaker 2>so spot on because they have so many female extras

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<v Speaker 2>and I recognize some of them. Some of them were playmates,

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<v Speaker 2>some of them weren't. But and then they have a

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<v Speaker 2>few men sprinkled in there, and the men are all

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<v Speaker 2>super old. And the actor they have you talking to

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<v Speaker 2>when you're laying down on the pillows talking to that actor,

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<v Speaker 2>he looks like he so fits the part, like everything

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<v Speaker 2>about his face and his teeth, like he looks like

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<v Speaker 2>he would be one to have spuddies.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I agree. How did they know? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they did a great job too, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had forgotten a lot of it. There's certain things I

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<v Speaker 1>remember really well, like I remember the room that they

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<v Speaker 1>put us in with the games and the six statues,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember they kept trying to tell us that

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to go to the zoo, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>so freaked out that he had wild animals there.

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<v Speaker 3>There's like, no, thank you, I don't want to go

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<v Speaker 3>to the zoo, like it's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Like but everyone was very nice to us, obviously, But

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<v Speaker 1>when we went to do the scene, I do remember

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<v Speaker 1>being just so generally ACKed out, And I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>that guy that I'm talking to wasn't even an actor.

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<v Speaker 1>He just seemed fully I mean, I'm sure he was,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I felt like he was a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>you would meet at a Hollywood party.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he embodied it like that guy was so good.

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<v Speaker 3>He really did too good, too good.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also didn't really remember what happened, which I

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<v Speaker 1>often feel when I'm rewatching now because it's a while ago, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember the experience of filming more than the scenes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, oh, no, what is youre the do?

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<v Speaker 3>Hang down? Talk to that guy? Who?

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<v Speaker 1>But that's good to know that you think we did

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<v Speaker 1>a good job of casting it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you feel because okay, so you watched this particular

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<v Speaker 1>episode that aired in two thousand and before you lived there,

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<v Speaker 1>and then once you lived there, did you did you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, oh, yeah, Sexy City was pretty accurate or

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<v Speaker 1>did you feel like no?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I thought it was accurate for sure, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's just showing a party, and it looked exactly like

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<v Speaker 2>what a party would look like. Of course, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>capture everything about day to day life there, but it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't supposed to do. It was just right characters going

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<v Speaker 2>to a party, So I thought it was super accurate.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it weird to think that three HBO's shows filmed there,

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<v Speaker 1>like entrage, courber, enthusiasm.

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<v Speaker 3>I do not remember this and us that is bizarre.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's like everybody it was crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like, and I don't know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>probably you know, I don't know if I should even

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<v Speaker 1>say this, but like, did we help to forward a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of untrue narrative? You know that it was glamorous

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<v Speaker 1>and fun when it was really more than that.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say an untrue narrative, because there was that

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<v Speaker 2>side of it that was like that for sure, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the experience a lot of people had

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<v Speaker 2>who didn't get deeper into it. But I mean, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't cover the whole thing. But I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 2>right supposed to.

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, I mean, it wasn't supposed to.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do feel just some mixed feelings about the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that, you know, our show, which is absolutely supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be about empowering women, and that was something that

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<v Speaker 1>we felt really strongly about and really empowering and making

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<v Speaker 1>space for all different kinds of sexuality, but freedom within

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<v Speaker 1>that and you know, consent and all of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember at the time feeling uncomfortable about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but that has a lot to do with how I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in my mom's opinions of it all, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>very feminist and not into that. And then I remember

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<v Speaker 1>later on feeling like, oh, maybe I was wrong, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like because when you guys did the show, it did

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<v Speaker 1>seem like you were somehow being supported or forwarding your

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<v Speaker 1>dreams or you know, it didn't seem negative, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, oh, well, I'm glad for them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I felt at the time, of course, not

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<v Speaker 1>knowing still the whole story, which you guys hadn't had

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to tell. So I'm glad number one that

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<v Speaker 1>you have had the opportunity to tell the whole story,

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<v Speaker 1>because I do feel like sometimes there's things in our business,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe less so now, but in our world, the entertainment

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<v Speaker 1>world in general, where it seems like, oh, this could

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<v Speaker 1>be a good opportunity for you, and yes, it involves

0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.480
<v Speaker 1>your sexuality, but that doesn't mean that it's inherently bad. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>but yet it's a slippery slope.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. That's why I talked about it as

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<v Speaker 2>much as I do. As I've heard, you know, Playboy

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't exist in the same way as it did back then.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've heard, you know, people tell me that they

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<v Speaker 2>grew up watching Girls next Door and thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>so fun, so they thought the next best thing to

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<v Speaker 2>get into would be poorn and now they regret it.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's crazy that kind of effect those things can have.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why I yeah about it and love talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what my motivations were and what I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I was getting into and what it was really like,

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<v Speaker 2>just so people kind of know what those situations are.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's so important and I'm so glad that

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<v Speaker 1>you're okay, you're at a place in your life where

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<v Speaker 1>you can do that and you can share that, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're you've done the work on yourself to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to share that without it being you know, re traumatizing yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so important, and I mean that's also one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I think about when I look at

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<v Speaker 1>the episodes. You know, did we unwittingly take part in

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<v Speaker 1>also glamorizing something that maybe wasn't great for women.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, you know, I don't know. It really

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<v Speaker 3>was part of our culture though at that point in time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so in that way, I feel like, well it

0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:44.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of makes sense, right, And of course we couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>know everything that was going on behind the scenes because

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<v Speaker 1>no one was talking at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, just interesting, so harmless back then, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Except when you were there, it didn't feel harmless.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't feel the vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean they put us in the

0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:06.960
<v Speaker 1>sex room, so yeah, we got the vibe.

0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.120
<v Speaker 3>And I feel like the people that they hired, And.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting for you to say that you recognize some

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<v Speaker 1>of them. I do feel like some of them. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like we're living there, you know, And we were

0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:20.400
<v Speaker 1>so fascinated, but we also didn't know.

0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:22.159
<v Speaker 3>We didn't want to overstep our.

0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Bounds in terms of like talking to people, are asking

0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:25.720
<v Speaker 1>them questions like what is your life?

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<v Speaker 3>Like? You know what I mean. But we were there

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<v Speaker 3>for a few days.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed like it was a while, you know, that

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<v Speaker 1>we filmed, and it didn't seem like they were just

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<v Speaker 1>heavy go Lucky who we're living the life we want.

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<v Speaker 3>It seemed like there was more stress, you know than that.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I can almost see it on the girls,

0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:49.199
<v Speaker 2>the twins he's dating, you know, the twins. Yeah, they

0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:52.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't seem in the light mood, you know what I mean.

0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I do know what you mean. And that's what we felt.

0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:57.360
<v Speaker 1>That's what we felt when we were there. But yet

0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:00.520
<v Speaker 1>we were supposed to be showing this glamorous there was

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<v Speaker 1>really no way to, you know, do a better job

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<v Speaker 1>of telling the story. And also no one was really

0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:10.040
<v Speaker 1>volunteering any information to us either, not that that was

0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:13.080
<v Speaker 1>even our job. But like for me, you know, when

0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:16.600
<v Speaker 1>I go into a place, I'm always interested in, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how do people actually seem like?

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<v Speaker 3>Do they seem happy?

0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:20.399
<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>And at the time, it was such a like you said,

0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:25.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean those parties, you would hear everybody went to

0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:31.199
<v Speaker 1>those parties. You know, they were very much mainstream Hollywood.

0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:32.000
<v Speaker 3>You wanted to go.

0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:34.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean not myself because I was scared, as I said,

0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:36.760
<v Speaker 1>but men in general wanted to go.

0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:38.240
<v Speaker 3>And I feel like women wanted to go.

0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I definitely know people who went and I don't,

0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:43.840
<v Speaker 1>but they were actresses and I don't think anything negative happened,

0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:45.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, because I mean, you could go to any

0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:46.800
<v Speaker 1>party in LA and people are going to hit on you.

0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:51.040
<v Speaker 1>It's not shocking obviously, and yeah, nothing worse than that,

0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:51.720
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>But how how just curiosity sake? How long did you

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<v Speaker 3>live there?

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<v Speaker 2>I lived there seven years? Wow, all of my twenties.

0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, wow, wow, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's really great that you got out and that

0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:06.840
<v Speaker 1>you're writing about it. Is there anything else that you

0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:08.879
<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk about from the show or from the

0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:10.199
<v Speaker 1>episode that I didn't touch on?

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm just so curious your own perspective.

0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. One thing I'm curious, do you remember what the

0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:16.720
<v Speaker 2>lead time on your show was, Like, how far an

0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:19.199
<v Speaker 2>advance you filmed versus at that point?

0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Not far.

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:21.960
<v Speaker 1>It would have been just been a couple months, yeah,

0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:25.240
<v Speaker 1>because we would go back to work in February. We've

0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:27.560
<v Speaker 1>been pretending it was spring because we always came on

0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:30.439
<v Speaker 1>in June, and so by this point I have the

0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.600
<v Speaker 1>date here somewhere we would have been filming, and it

0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:36.040
<v Speaker 1>would have been like maybe two three months before it

0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:38.560
<v Speaker 1>was on, so pretty quick, pretty quick. We would have

0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:40.240
<v Speaker 1>been there in the summer of two thousand. It would

0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:42.960
<v Speaker 1>have been on, and it was on in September, so

0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:44.560
<v Speaker 1>we would have been there in the middle of Yeah.

0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:48.119
<v Speaker 1>And I do think that the Midsummer Night party was

0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:50.600
<v Speaker 1>the week that we were filming, because we were all

0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 1>supposed to go, but I.

0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:53.639
<v Speaker 3>Was like, well, no one asked me, I'm not going

0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:54.000
<v Speaker 3>to go.

0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:56.960
<v Speaker 1>No one got my okay, you know, and I was

0:23:57.000 --> 0:24:01.919
<v Speaker 1>in some trouble because we had been apparently committed, you know,

0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:07.440
<v Speaker 1>to do it. Any of the I think they all went, oh,

0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:10.760
<v Speaker 1>we would have to ask them. I think they all

0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:13.560
<v Speaker 1>went to kind of like make an appearance and go

0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:16.880
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. I don't think they hung necessarily,

0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:20.520
<v Speaker 1>but I think that they were good employees as opposed

0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:22.600
<v Speaker 1>to myself, where I was like, my mother is going

0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:25.320
<v Speaker 1>to be really mad at me, you know, very Charlotte

0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:28.359
<v Speaker 1>type of a situation. But you know, I grew up

0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 1>with they It was just not thought of as empowering

0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:38.720
<v Speaker 1>right to be, to be, you know, outwardly sexual or whatever.

0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:40.239
<v Speaker 1>But then I find myself on the show called Sex

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:42.600
<v Speaker 1>and the City, so you know, it's all really interesting.

0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 1>But I do feel like, you know, it's an interesting

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:51.280
<v Speaker 1>thing to think about too, because obviously your personal experience

0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 1>and what you're going through is not good. And the

0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:57.240
<v Speaker 1>fact that no one was upfront with you about it

0:24:57.280 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 1>is even worse. Right, So, like you're little by little,

0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:03.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, pulled in. That's the worst situation, I think,

0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:07.320
<v Speaker 1>and happens so frequently unfortunately. But I do feel, and

0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:11.520
<v Speaker 1>it's an interesting thing, you know. The openness about sexuality.

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:15.639
<v Speaker 1>I do feel is generally important for women.

0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh I think so too, Yeah, And it's.

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:21.840
<v Speaker 1>So hard to know when it crosses the line into

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 1>not being empowering. It's a very interesting thing.

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 3>I think. No, I think too, right, because we can't

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:31.159
<v Speaker 3>just hide ourselves.

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:33.480
<v Speaker 1>There's no why should we have to hide ourselves like

0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:36.159
<v Speaker 1>we're sexual beings, just like menosexual beings like that. It's

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:40.920
<v Speaker 1>it's unfair and you know, inequitable to think that we can't, right,

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 1>But then there's so much danger in the world, you know,

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:48.640
<v Speaker 1>in many ways, right, so you want to be careful.

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:50.440
<v Speaker 1>It's an interesting thing to me. And I have a

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:52.320
<v Speaker 1>fourteen year old daughter, so I think about these things,

0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:52.880
<v Speaker 1>you know what I.

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Mean, I think so too. My daughter's twelve, and oh wow, yeah,

0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:59.560
<v Speaker 2>I think I think more discussion is better, honestly, because

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:03.760
<v Speaker 2>when I was young. Kind of the trend was like,

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 2>or the way it was portrayed in pop culture was

0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:07.919
<v Speaker 2>like women should just be able to have sex like

0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 2>a man and not care, and you know, that's empowerment.

0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:15.560
<v Speaker 2>And I feel like nobody talks about like the emotional

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 2>impact of sex.

0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:18.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree for.

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Some reason, and I think you know, and of course,

0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:24.440
<v Speaker 2>like females, we operate a little bit differently. Obviously there's outliers,

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:27.679
<v Speaker 2>but I think for most females there's a huge emotional

0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:31.439
<v Speaker 2>impact that comes with sex, and just people don't want

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:33.240
<v Speaker 2>to talk about that for some reason. They just act

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.960
<v Speaker 2>like everything should just be casual. They act like you

0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 2>should either be totally casual about it or you need

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 2>to like have like religious principles that keep you in line,

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:43.360
<v Speaker 2>and nobody kind of talks about the in between, like well,

0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:45.359
<v Speaker 2>why is it not so great? And how do you

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:46.360
<v Speaker 2>really feel.

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:49.119
<v Speaker 3>That's so true? So true? Allie?

0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:51.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think it's super interesting, certainly when we're

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>thinking about our daughters too, because we have come so

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 1>far in so many ways, and then in some ways

0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:01.000
<v Speaker 1>we still don't have total freedom to talk about anything

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:05.639
<v Speaker 1>freely that impacts us, right, Like why why is it

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:08.119
<v Speaker 1>not okay to talk about the fact that women are

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:11.440
<v Speaker 1>going to potentially be navigating sex differently than men.

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 3>That makes sense, right, And.

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's maybe it's not true, right, Like maybe there's

0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 1>a Samantha out there and she wants to have sex

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 1>like a man, and more power to her, right, But

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:23.480
<v Speaker 1>what about all of the kind of realities of it,

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, like the realities and what do we say

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:26.560
<v Speaker 1>to our daughters?

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.120
<v Speaker 3>And you know, I think it's important to think about that.

0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 1>My daughter, they still have sex ed classes that are

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:36.159
<v Speaker 1>about like consent and you know, really important and interesting

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 1>things that I certainly never we didn't get anything like that.

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 1>We were like, you're going to get your period, Like

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 1>that was really it, you know.

0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 3>But and I think it's so great. My daughter hates

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 3>these classes.

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's like, oh.

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 3>No, And I'm like, just just do it, just do it.

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:52.639
<v Speaker 3>It's going to be useful information.

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:57.719
<v Speaker 1>But it's so so hard to navigate one hundred percent.

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:00.119
<v Speaker 2>It's really tricky. So I think the more discussion and

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 2>the better.

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:02.280
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I think you're right.

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:05.439
<v Speaker 1>I think you're right because really, really, you know, covering

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:09.399
<v Speaker 1>things and having secrecy just leads to bad, badness because

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:11.680
<v Speaker 1>then people feel like they can't talk and they can't

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:13.919
<v Speaker 1>say something that's true for them, or they can't report

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 1>something bad that happened to them, or they can't stand

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>up to people.

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 3>That's the worst. That's what we need to get rid of.

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Yes, when you look back and you see like if

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 1>you were ever to just be flipping in or not

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:28.119
<v Speaker 1>that people flip, if you were ever to be streaming

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:31.840
<v Speaker 1>the episode of Sex and the City at the Mansion

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 1>was there, would you think like, oh and watch it?

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 3>Where you'd be like, oh, no, I don't want to

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:36.919
<v Speaker 3>watch it.

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean for me personally, like I've already seen it

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 2>and I like it, and I think it's fun and

0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:44.240
<v Speaker 2>I think it's like a fun glimpse into that era.

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 2>The things I get triggered by more personally, I mean,

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 2>it's always surprising, Like I do a rewatch podcast with

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 2>one of my co stars from Girls next Door and

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 2>the show will hit a certain way. But then we

0:28:57.200 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 2>did an episode where we talked about the movie The

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 2>House Funny with Anna Faris that yeah, with the Mansion

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 2>and we had parts then and it was weird because

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 2>this was a very lighthearted comedy. But I told Bridget

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm like watching it on that movie like hit differently

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 2>for some reason, like I never really know how it's

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 2>gonna hit. But I think it's in the City episode

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 2>because I wasn't in it, and because it more captures

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 2>the time period when I was just aware of Playboy

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 2>as kind of an outsider, Like I think I hadn't

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 2>even gone to. I think that party that the rest

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 2>of your cast went to was the first party I

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:30.239
<v Speaker 2>went to.

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, wow.

0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 2>So it more kind of captures the era where I

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 2>still like only knew Playboy from the outside and was

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of fascinated by Like I remember thinking the twins

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 2>he was dating were so gorgeous. I remember seeing them

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 2>at that party. So for me, it's more one of

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 2>the ones I like. And you know what else I

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 2>love random is in the scene you're wearing this bikini

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 2>top that's like cherry print a blast from the past,

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 2>because I remember so specifically like that summer, like the

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 2>cherry print being everywhere, Like I think Coach did a

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 2>bunch of cherry print bags, and like I was like

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 2>in downtown because I was like a broke college student,

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 2>so I was like in downtown looking for all the

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 2>fake Coach cherry stuff.

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 3>I love it.

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was Shoshana. Do you ever remember Sea? That

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 1>was Shoshana? Because Shoshana was cut for people with hips,

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.760
<v Speaker 1>which would be me, And there was always some stress

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:24.719
<v Speaker 1>where we would have like beach or bathing suit or whatever,

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>because I, you know, I didn't know what the heck

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 1>to wear, and Pat Field, our costume setter, was always

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 1>unsure about me.

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:35.480
<v Speaker 3>And then that's my own so wrong, I just died

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 3>on Yeah, thank you so much.

0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 1>But I also think that we were fundamentally confused in

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:44.800
<v Speaker 1>that costume because we come in the daytime but then

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:45.720
<v Speaker 1>it's nighttime, and.

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:47.960
<v Speaker 3>Were we supposed to get in the ground?

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know. Like to me, I watched that

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 1>episode and I think, like, what were we doing? Like

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:56.160
<v Speaker 1>what were we actually doing? I don't know, But it works.

0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean I love that picture of us with the

0:30:57.840 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 1>four of us walking walking in And also because we

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 1>are from New York, we also don't really know, you

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>know what, Like the characters aren't supposed to know.

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 2>They are so shadow water.

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, oh, I'm glad.

0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that you have a positive association when you

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 1>watch it.

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 3>That's good.

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 1>That makes me happy, That makes me happy. Well, you

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 1>are such joy. Thank you so so much. I have

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 1>a pressing question for you. Yes, are you a Charlotte?

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 2>You know what? Back in the day when Sex and

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 2>the City was on and I watched it regularly, I

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>was for sure a Charlotte. I identify as being a

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:34.479
<v Speaker 2>hopeless romantic and all that, but as time goes on,

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm more of a Carrie. I've written a

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:39.880
<v Speaker 2>couple of memoirs, so I identify as a writer. And

0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 2>also like all the kind of like anxious attachment style

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 2>cringe stuff that Carrie does has totally been me. Like

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 2>have you seen those edits where they do the three

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<v Speaker 2>times she shows up in big storeway?

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<v Speaker 3>I love them so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a crop and the guy doesn't give up that

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<v Speaker 2>that's been me so many Oh no, I think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really Carrey.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, I love it. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also kind of a Carrie. I'm like half Carrie

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<v Speaker 1>half Charlotte. And I do love those edits because there's

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<v Speaker 1>just a way where you can see things from a

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<v Speaker 1>different perspective where you're like, that is so embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what I have to say?

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<v Speaker 1>We've all been there, We've all been there and then

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<v Speaker 1>the funny thing is like, at the time that we

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<v Speaker 1>were making the show, it never entered my mind that

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<v Speaker 1>she should stop trying. Like I was like, of course, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>go in your McDonald's, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, the big mag you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. It's also interesting and I like the show

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<v Speaker 1>in that way and that at different times in your

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<v Speaker 1>life you will look at it with different perspectives.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, I like.

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<v Speaker 1>That part the best, I think, because we all relate

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<v Speaker 1>in different ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, you're wonderful, Thank you, Thank you so much.