1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: Hi? 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today we have 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: the lovely Holly Madison who is going to talk to 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: us about the LA episode where we film at the 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: Playboy Mansion. She has obviously a lot of insight and 8 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: she's a television personality. 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 3: You may know her from Girls next Door and she's. 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: Also a New York Times bestselling author, which I love, 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: and she has a lot of fascinating things to say. 12 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 3: So enjoy this conversation with Holly Madison. 13 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: Okay, this is very exciting. I'm so excited to talk 14 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: to you. We've never talked before. I didn't get to 15 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: meet you back back in the day. But also, from 16 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: what I understand, when we film Sex and City at 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: the Playboy Mansion, you had not moved in yet. 18 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: Is that correct? 19 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: No? And I'm so bummed I missed out on I 20 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: got the opportunity to do cameo on some pretty iconic 21 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: shows there, like we did Entourage and Curb Your Enthusiasm, 22 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: but I wow, just missed Sex in the City, which 23 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: is such a bummers. I'm such a big fan of it. Like, oh, 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: watch that every week when I was at the mansion 25 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 2: and we did, Yeah, we did. Half was a huge 26 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: fan of it. 27 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so strange because the whole experience for me 28 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: and for us in general, was very surreal, very strange. 29 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: Helf was very nice to us, like really sweet and 30 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: very like almost like your uncle or something, you know, 31 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: like like it was hard to believe that he was him. 32 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's how he comes off to 33 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: most people. I mean, that's the person that I fell 34 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: in love with. Obviously, my situation grew a lot more complicated, 35 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: but you know. 36 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because like I also feel and I 37 00:01:54,840 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: personally had like such conflict, internal conflict about filming there 38 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: and making it seem kind of like fun and. 39 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 3: Light, I guess would be the word, which is not. 40 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: It's not like the vibe that I personally had about Playboy. 41 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: Though at that point in time, things were getting like 42 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: you guys were very mainstream. 43 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: You know, Oh yeah, do you feel that? 44 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that episode came out in two thousand 45 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: and he had been like you know, he got separated 46 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: from his wife a few years earlier and started having 47 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: the parties at the mansion again and those were you know, 48 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: I always tell people like it's hard to believe, but 49 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: those were like the cool parties in La that you 50 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: wanted to go to that were super hard to get into. 51 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: And when I got invited to my first one, I 52 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 2: was so excited. It was just such like a bucketless thing. 53 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: And how did you get invited? 54 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: I was working for Hawaiian Tropic and at one of 55 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 2: the events, half's doctor came to the event and he said, 56 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: I want to invite all these girls to the party. 57 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: So I was super excited. 58 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, And was this one of the like pajama parties. 59 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. The first party I went to was their biggest party. 60 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: It was called Midsummer Night's Dream. They had that every 61 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: August and it was kind of this like fairy them 62 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: like Twinkle Lights Wonderland that they turned the backyard into 63 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 2: and it was cool. 64 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: And when we filmed there, we go to a party. 65 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: It's kind of slightly confusing because we arrived in the daytime, 66 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: we're kind of wearing bathing suits. I don't know what 67 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: the heck we were thinking in the costume department. I 68 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: think we were confused, right, But it wasn't supposed to 69 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: be the Pajama party or the Midsummer Nights party. 70 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 3: It was just some vague party. When you watched the episode. 71 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: Did you think like, oh, that's accurate, l though that's 72 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: totally inaccurate, or what were your thoughts. 73 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: It's pretty accurate, Like I can't pinpoint, like you said, 74 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: exactly what party that was supposed to be, Like, it's 75 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: a little bit like the Fun in the sun Pool parties, 76 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: but there were a lot more people there in your guys' scene, 77 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: a lot more extras. The Fun in the sun Pool 78 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: parties would have like girls come up and like enjoy 79 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: the pool and everything. Half and his friends would be 80 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: playing backgammon by the pool, and some of his guy 81 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: friends would be out on the tennis courts. But it 82 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: wouldn't be very many people at all, like less than 83 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: fifty people, so they were pretty intimate. I would say 84 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: the party I can compare the most to what you 85 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: guys did was maybe like the Fourth of July party, 86 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: because that would be like a bigger daytime party and 87 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: then it would kind of move into a night time party. 88 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 2: That's kind of I think that's the only party they 89 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: threw that was like that that went from day to night. 90 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: Interesting and then so in our scenes where we come in, 91 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: and I think that we filmed things that didn't end 92 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: up in the show. At least I remember things that 93 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: I don't think are in the show. One was that 94 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: we had this scene where we were walking in and 95 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: there were people, you know, girls in assorted small bikinis, 96 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: playing with bubbles. I don't know what the heck we 97 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: were doing, but like, what, how what was regular life 98 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: there like versus a party or when people would come, 99 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: you know, regae. 100 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 2: It was pretty quiet during like a week day, but 101 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: at the same time, it wasn't totally private like a 102 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 2: home either. I started giving tours at the mansion because 103 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: they tours like a few times a week, like in 104 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: the mornings on weekdays, and they would do it for 105 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 2: like contest winners or like military or people like that, 106 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: and so I'm going to give people a tour of 107 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: the grounds or whatever. And then one wing of the 108 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: house was offices, so that's where half would go to work, 109 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 2: and there was like a whole secretary staff down there. 110 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: And then aside from his parties, sometimes at night they 111 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: would rent out the backyard for like corporate events and 112 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: things like that, So that would kind of be like 113 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 2: a whole separate world. So that was kind of the 114 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: day to day life of the house for me and 115 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: the other girls living there. We would just kind of 116 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: during the day do whatever, you know, whatever shopping errands, 117 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 2: you know, some of us were still in college or 118 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: going to school and things like that. We would do that, 119 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: and then we had like a face Miss nine o'clock curfew, 120 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 2: and there would be different activities every night a week, 121 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: like a couple nights a week, like Wednesday and Friday. 122 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: He would take us out to nightclubs. Wednesday night, you know, 123 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: Wednesday night was a club night. Thursday night we would 124 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: usually like go out to a restaurant, Friday was a 125 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: club night. Saturday and Sunday he would have movie nights. 126 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: Of course. Sunday during the day was a pool party. 127 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 2: Monday he would gather with like his guy friends and 128 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: watch a movie. He called that manly night, So us 129 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: girls didn't really have anything to do on Monday. And 130 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: then two we would usually play like board games or something. 131 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,119 Speaker 2: So it was a whole varietow all over the place. 132 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is so fascinating. I need to read your book. 133 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: I need to read your book and get all the 134 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: details because now I'm super interested. 135 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 3: How many girls were there when you lived there? 136 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: Well, during the last four years I was there when 137 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 2: we were doing the Girl's next Door show, it was 138 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 2: just three of us. But when I first moved in, 139 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: he was kind of in this seven girlfriends era and 140 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 2: that was just a nightmare. When I was there for that, 141 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: nobody got along and it was a constant revolving door. 142 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: So it wasn't even the same set of seven girls 143 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: when I first moved in, as there was like three 144 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: or four years later. So it was this cast of 145 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: characters that was just all really competitive, and that was 146 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: my least favorite time living there, for sure. It was 147 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: just a mess. 148 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, when we were there, there were there were a 149 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: bunch of girls. I mean probably they brought extras and 150 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: whatever in, I don't know. They were all obviously gorgeous 151 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: and you know whatnot wearing small clothing, and we chatted 152 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: with them, but not a lot like they kind of 153 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: had they they would put them in a separate place 154 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: and then we Our place that we were supposed to 155 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: spend the day was the game room. 156 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: Oh, it was so weird. It is it's a capsule 157 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: out there. The game room was a whole separate like 158 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: guest cottage on the property. And it was kind of 159 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: this weird combination of like seventies arcade games and eighties 160 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: arcade games, and then Have's girlfriend in the seventies Barbie 161 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: Benton had like deck heated it like all old school 162 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: like American antiques. So there was a weird mix of 163 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: like American antiques and like seventies eighties pinball machines. 164 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: Yes, and then there was this Okay, that's so crazy 165 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: that it was Barbie Benton, who of course, like you know, 166 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: people of my generation know. There was like a pit, 167 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: like a carpeted area with like a. 168 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: Seating bare room. 169 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 3: Yeh, what the heck was that? 170 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: That was like a like a sex room on the side, 171 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: and it had like a cat. Yeah. 172 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we were scared. 173 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 2: We were scared, Okay. So I had like a car 174 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 2: for the mattress floor with like pillows, and then there 175 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: were like mirrored walls and like the corners looked like mirrors. 176 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: But then if you turned on a light, it would 177 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: like the mirror would like disappear and it would be 178 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: like sex statues would be find We. 179 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 3: Saw the sex statues. 180 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: We did see the sex statues and we were like, 181 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: why are we in here? 182 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 3: Like because it was a long day. 183 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: Right, so they were trying to find somewhere like theoretically 184 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: comfortable for us. But we had a weird vibe in 185 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: that room, so I think we tried to move. 186 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people thought that house was haunted too. 187 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: It definitely had a lot of like kind of dark energy. 188 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, I mean it's kind of a 189 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: dark house as well. It looks like an old dark house. 190 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 3: But then so. 191 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: Okay, oh good, it's giving you stress just think about it. 192 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: But when we went okay, so let's think about the 193 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: party itself on film. And I don't know whose idea 194 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: it was or I feel like the guys in our 195 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: world were really into showing all this, right like you know, 196 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: in a way you know that they would be. 197 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 3: And there's so the grotto is you know, part of 198 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 3: part of it. 199 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: And as the night goes on, you like, none of 200 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: the girls have tops on and whatever is this what 201 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: would happen sometimes? 202 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes people would get a little crazier at night. 203 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 2: But you know what was crazy about the parties is 204 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: I always say that at the parties I never saw 205 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: any thing too wild. I would hear about it, but 206 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: like as a girlfriend, I would always kind of have 207 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: to be seated at the table with half which would 208 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: be over by the dance floor, and believe it or not, 209 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: people would be more on their best behavior in front 210 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: of him, because everybody wanted to stay on the list, 211 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: they wanted to get invited back. So it would be 212 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: more like I would hear from other playmates that like, 213 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: oh my god, I saw this in the grotto at 214 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: two am, but that was all the stuff we would 215 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: see really got it. 216 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: So what would good behavior be for hef like meaning 217 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 1: guys wouldn't be too aggressive with you. 218 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,359 Speaker 3: Guys not you, but the other non girlfriends. 219 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: Is that? 220 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 2: Like? 221 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: What was the like my thing. 222 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: That I felt upset about because they wanted us to 223 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: all go to a pajama party in some kind of 224 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: agreement about us filming there, and I was like, I 225 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: am not going to that pajama party. I don't understand this, 226 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: Like that seems a weird situation to put myself in. 227 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: I felt worried, and also you had to wear some 228 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: skimpy what I was just like, I can't even get 229 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: my mind around this, And I don't know if that 230 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: was really silly of me or not, you know what 231 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, what was the vibe in terms of 232 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: the guy woman situation at the parties? 233 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: I think for most guests. I mean, obviously I've heard 234 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: stories that aren't this too, but I think for most 235 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 2: guests it was okay. I think if you were really 236 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: having a problem with somebody, they could tell you could 237 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 2: tell security and they would have them removed. I mean, 238 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: I have to imagine having them removed would be easier 239 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: for somebody who's more of an anonymous guy and maybe 240 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 2: not like a big celebrity. But I think it was 241 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: a pretty safe place for most party goers, again with 242 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: the allowance that I've also heard that that hasn't been 243 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 2: the case with some people, But I think for the 244 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: most part, most people had a good experience at the 245 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: parties got. 246 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: It so people did have a feeling of like I 247 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: want to be here, I want to get invited back. 248 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: I'm I'm it's super fun. 249 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure there were drugs, but I'm still going to 250 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: behave like as much as you know, like I'm not 251 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: going to freak out. Well that's good to know, because 252 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: I didn't know what to think. I just remember all 253 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: all the guys I knew wanted to go, you know, 254 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: and where it was seemed like, you know, for them, 255 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: like for the men. 256 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 257 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: That's why I didn't really feel like, yes, I would 258 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: like to put myself in that in that situation. 259 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 2: Like at the time. 260 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was also very interesting to be there 261 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: in terms of I felt at the time, you know, 262 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: it was very much held up as being empowering for 263 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: women in some way, but I feel like we don't 264 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: think of it that way now, that way, correct, Yeah, I. 265 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 2: Mean I think that was what I bought into as 266 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: well when I went there, is like, you know, I 267 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 2: want to have this experience, as you know, being in 268 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: the magazine and being seen as sexy and whatever. And 269 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: I was just in like the deepest, deepest like inner 270 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 2: ring where it really wasn't liberating anymore. But I think 271 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: that was generally, you know, Playboy was accepted as like 272 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: this acceptable retro brand that like you're grew up with 273 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: and everything. You know, it seemed pretty tame at the. 274 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: Time, right, right, It's interesting, it's interesting, but honestly, and 275 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: this might be just like really too farward. 276 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: I'm going to say we can cut it out. 277 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: But like I thought, my innocent little self, you know, 278 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: when you guys did did because at the time that 279 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: we filmed, you weren't there yet, it wasn't the girl's 280 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: next door yet. And then when the girls nextraor happened, 281 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: I thought it was all fake. Like I just assumed 282 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: you guys were not having to have sex with Half. 283 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: Like a lot of people thought that. Yeah, my first 284 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: you know, moved into the group and like agreed to 285 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: like go out with Half and everything. I still wasn't 286 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: clear on what was going on. Like I'm like, Okay, 287 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 2: there has to be something going on, so I'm going 288 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: to go kind of check it out, see what it is. 289 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: But I didn't know how much would be going on. 290 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: Or it was very ambiguous because you know, he'd be 291 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: out there talking about how he takes viaggor all the 292 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: time and these are all my girlfriends and things like that. 293 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: But like people didn't really believe it. They thought this 294 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: has to be a publicity stunt there. 295 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 3: I did not. Yeah, I did not believe it. 296 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: So no one explained it to you, Like no one 297 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: said this is what it is. 298 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: No, not at all. 299 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 3: Huh wow. Yeah, so you just got sucked in, but 300 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: little by little. 301 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. I think when I talked about my situation 302 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: and people were like, well, you knew what you were 303 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: getting into. They're picturing that scene in Fifty Shades of 304 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: Gray where she sits down at the table and she's 305 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: given like this big contract about the consent and what's 306 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: going to happen, and there's nothing like that up there. 307 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: It is kind of something you can get into like 308 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 2: little by little and kind of like lose yourself. It's 309 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: very unstructured in that way. 310 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 3: Wow. 311 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: Wow, I'm sorry that that happened to you and all 312 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: the other people. 313 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: You know. 314 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was really held up as like, you know, 315 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: empowering for you guys and supporting you guys in your dreams. 316 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: And you know, he seemed so kind of just like 317 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 3: fuddy duddy ish, you know. 318 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he was wearing the weird clothes, but like 319 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: I remember when he was filming, he was very nice, 320 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: as I said, like in a kind of an Uncle 321 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: Lee kind of a way. 322 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 3: And then he got up. 323 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: And you were just like he's so little and old. 324 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: Yeah you know, but yeah, this other stuff was still 325 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: going on, which just really blows my mind. 326 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was crazy for sure. And I have to 327 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: say the scene you guys did there, the casting was 328 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: so spot on because they have so many female extras 329 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 2: and I recognize some of them. Some of them were playmates, 330 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: some of them weren't. But and then they have a 331 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: few men sprinkled in there, and the men are all 332 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: super old. And the actor they have you talking to 333 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 2: when you're laying down on the pillows talking to that actor, 334 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: he looks like he so fits the part, like everything 335 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: about his face and his teeth, like he looks like 336 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: he would be one to have spuddies. 337 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: Like I agree. How did they know? I don't know. 338 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. 339 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: I think they did a great job too, and I 340 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: had forgotten a lot of it. There's certain things I 341 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: remember really well, like I remember the room that they 342 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: put us in with the games and the six statues, 343 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: and I remember they kept trying to tell us that 344 00:15:58,520 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: we wanted to go to the zoo, but I was 345 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: so freaked out that he had wild animals there. 346 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 3: There's like, no, thank you, I don't want to go 347 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 3: to the zoo, like it's weird. 348 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: Like but everyone was very nice to us, obviously, But 349 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: when we went to do the scene, I do remember 350 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: being just so generally ACKed out, And I felt like 351 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: that guy that I'm talking to wasn't even an actor. 352 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: He just seemed fully I mean, I'm sure he was, 353 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: but like I felt like he was a guy that 354 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: you would meet at a Hollywood party. 355 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: Oh he embodied it like that guy was so good. 356 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 3: He really did too good, too good. 357 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: And I also didn't really remember what happened, which I 358 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: often feel when I'm rewatching now because it's a while ago, obviously, 359 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: and I remember the experience of filming more than the scenes, 360 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, no, what is youre the do? 361 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: Hang down? Talk to that guy? Who? 362 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: But that's good to know that you think we did 363 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: a good job of casting it. 364 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 3: That's good. 365 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: Did you feel because okay, so you watched this particular 366 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: episode that aired in two thousand and before you lived there, 367 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: and then once you lived there, did you did you 368 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: feel like, oh, yeah, Sexy City was pretty accurate or 369 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: did you feel like no? 370 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 2: I think I thought it was accurate for sure, because 371 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,239 Speaker 2: it's just showing a party, and it looked exactly like 372 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 2: what a party would look like. Of course, it doesn't 373 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 2: capture everything about day to day life there, but it 374 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to do. It was just right characters going 375 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: to a party, So I thought it was super accurate. 376 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 3: Oh that's good. 377 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: Isn't it weird to think that three HBO's shows filmed there, 378 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: like entrage, courber, enthusiasm. 379 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 3: I do not remember this and us that is bizarre. 380 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like everybody it was crazy. 381 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: Do you feel like, and I don't know, this is 382 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: probably you know, I don't know if I should even 383 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: say this, but like, did we help to forward a 384 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: kind of untrue narrative? You know that it was glamorous 385 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: and fun when it was really more than that. 386 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,239 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say an untrue narrative, because there was that 387 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 2: side of it that was like that for sure, and 388 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: I think that's the experience a lot of people had 389 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 2: who didn't get deeper into it. But I mean, it 390 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: doesn't cover the whole thing. But I don't think it's 391 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 2: right supposed to. 392 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 3: No, No, I mean, it wasn't supposed to. 393 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: But I do feel just some mixed feelings about the 394 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: fact that, you know, our show, which is absolutely supposed 395 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: to be about empowering women, and that was something that 396 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: we felt really strongly about and really empowering and making 397 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: space for all different kinds of sexuality, but freedom within 398 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: that and you know, consent and all of those things. 399 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: And I remember at the time feeling uncomfortable about it, 400 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: but that has a lot to do with how I 401 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: grew up in my mom's opinions of it all, you know, 402 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: very feminist and not into that. And then I remember 403 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: later on feeling like, oh, maybe I was wrong, you know, 404 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: like because when you guys did the show, it did 405 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: seem like you were somehow being supported or forwarding your 406 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: dreams or you know, it didn't seem negative, right, And 407 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: I thought, oh, well, I'm glad for them, you know, 408 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: That's how I felt at the time, of course, not 409 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: knowing still the whole story, which you guys hadn't had 410 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: the opportunity to tell. So I'm glad number one that 411 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: you have had the opportunity to tell the whole story, 412 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: because I do feel like sometimes there's things in our business, 413 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: maybe less so now, but in our world, the entertainment 414 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: world in general, where it seems like, oh, this could 415 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: be a good opportunity for you, and yes, it involves 416 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: your sexuality, but that doesn't mean that it's inherently bad. Right, 417 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: but yet it's a slippery slope. 418 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. That's why I talked about it as 419 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: much as I do. As I've heard, you know, Playboy 420 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 2: doesn't exist in the same way as it did back then. 421 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: But I've heard, you know, people tell me that they 422 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 2: grew up watching Girls next Door and thought it was 423 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 2: so fun, so they thought the next best thing to 424 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,239 Speaker 2: get into would be poorn and now they regret it. 425 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: So it's crazy that kind of effect those things can have. 426 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 2: So that's why I yeah about it and love talking about, 427 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 2: you know, what my motivations were and what I thought 428 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 2: I was getting into and what it was really like, 429 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: just so people kind of know what those situations are. 430 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 3: I think that's great. 431 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: I think it's so important and I'm so glad that 432 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: you're okay, you're at a place in your life where 433 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: you can do that and you can share that, and 434 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: you're you've done the work on yourself to be able 435 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: to share that without it being you know, re traumatizing yourself. 436 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: Thank you welcome. 437 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: It's so important, and I mean that's also one of 438 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 1: the things that I think about when I look at 439 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: the episodes. You know, did we unwittingly take part in 440 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: also glamorizing something that maybe wasn't great for women. 441 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I don't know. It really 442 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: was part of our culture though at that point in time. 443 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, so in that way, I feel like, well it 444 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: kind of makes sense, right, And of course we couldn't 445 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: know everything that was going on behind the scenes because 446 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: no one was talking at that point. 447 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, just interesting, so harmless back then, right. 448 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: Except when you were there, it didn't feel harmless. 449 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 3: I didn't feel the vibe. 450 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean they put us in the 451 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: sex room, so yeah, we got the vibe. 452 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 3: And I feel like the people that they hired, And. 453 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: It's interesting for you to say that you recognize some 454 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: of them. I do feel like some of them. I 455 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: feel like we're living there, you know, And we were 456 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: so fascinated, but we also didn't know. 457 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 3: We didn't want to overstep our. 458 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: Bounds in terms of like talking to people, are asking 459 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: them questions like what is your life? 460 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 3: Like? You know what I mean. But we were there 461 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 3: for a few days. 462 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: It seemed like it was a while, you know, that 463 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: we filmed, and it didn't seem like they were just 464 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: heavy go Lucky who we're living the life we want. 465 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 3: It seemed like there was more stress, you know than that. 466 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 2: I feel like I can almost see it on the girls, 467 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 2: the twins he's dating, you know, the twins. Yeah, they 468 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 2: didn't seem in the light mood, you know what I mean. 469 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: I do know what you mean. And that's what we felt. 470 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 1: That's what we felt when we were there. But yet 471 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: we were supposed to be showing this glamorous there was 472 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: really no way to, you know, do a better job 473 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: of telling the story. And also no one was really 474 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: volunteering any information to us either, not that that was 475 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: even our job. But like for me, you know, when 476 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: I go into a place, I'm always interested in, you know, 477 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: how do people actually seem like? 478 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 3: Do they seem happy? 479 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 2: You know? 480 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: And at the time, it was such a like you said, 481 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: I mean those parties, you would hear everybody went to 482 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: those parties. You know, they were very much mainstream Hollywood. 483 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 3: You wanted to go. 484 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: I mean not myself because I was scared, as I said, 485 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: but men in general wanted to go. 486 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 3: And I feel like women wanted to go. 487 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely know people who went and I don't, 488 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: but they were actresses and I don't think anything negative happened, 489 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, because I mean, you could go to any 490 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: party in LA and people are going to hit on you. 491 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: It's not shocking obviously, and yeah, nothing worse than that, 492 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? 493 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 3: But how how just curiosity sake? How long did you 494 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: live there? 495 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: I lived there seven years? Wow, all of my twenties. 496 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, wow, wow. 497 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: Well, it's really great that you got out and that 498 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: you're writing about it. Is there anything else that you 499 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about from the show or from the 500 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: episode that I didn't touch on? 501 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 3: I'm just so curious your own perspective. 502 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. One thing I'm curious, do you remember what the 503 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: lead time on your show was, Like, how far an 504 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 2: advance you filmed versus at that point? 505 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 3: Not far. 506 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: It would have been just been a couple months, yeah, 507 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: because we would go back to work in February. We've 508 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: been pretending it was spring because we always came on 509 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: in June, and so by this point I have the 510 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: date here somewhere we would have been filming, and it 511 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: would have been like maybe two three months before it 512 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: was on, so pretty quick, pretty quick. We would have 513 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: been there in the summer of two thousand. It would 514 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: have been on, and it was on in September, so 515 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: we would have been there in the middle of Yeah. 516 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: And I do think that the Midsummer Night party was 517 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: the week that we were filming, because we were all 518 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: supposed to go, but I. 519 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 3: Was like, well, no one asked me, I'm not going 520 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 3: to go. 521 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: No one got my okay, you know, and I was 522 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: in some trouble because we had been apparently committed, you know, 523 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: to do it. Any of the I think they all went, oh, 524 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: we would have to ask them. I think they all 525 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: went to kind of like make an appearance and go 526 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I don't think they hung necessarily, 527 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: but I think that they were good employees as opposed 528 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: to myself, where I was like, my mother is going 529 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: to be really mad at me, you know, very Charlotte 530 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: type of a situation. But you know, I grew up 531 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: with they It was just not thought of as empowering 532 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: right to be, to be, you know, outwardly sexual or whatever. 533 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,239 Speaker 1: But then I find myself on the show called Sex 534 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: and the City, so you know, it's all really interesting. 535 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: But I do feel like, you know, it's an interesting 536 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: thing to think about too, because obviously your personal experience 537 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: and what you're going through is not good. And the 538 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: fact that no one was upfront with you about it 539 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: is even worse. Right, So, like you're little by little, 540 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, pulled in. That's the worst situation, I think, 541 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: and happens so frequently unfortunately. But I do feel, and 542 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: it's an interesting thing, you know. The openness about sexuality. 543 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: I do feel is generally important for women. 544 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 2: Oh I think so too, Yeah, And it's. 545 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: So hard to know when it crosses the line into 546 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: not being empowering. It's a very interesting thing. 547 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 3: I think. No, I think too, right, because we can't 548 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 3: just hide ourselves. 549 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: There's no why should we have to hide ourselves like 550 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: we're sexual beings, just like menosexual beings like that. It's 551 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: it's unfair and you know, inequitable to think that we can't, right, 552 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: But then there's so much danger in the world, you know, 553 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: in many ways, right, so you want to be careful. 554 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: It's an interesting thing to me. And I have a 555 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: fourteen year old daughter, so I think about these things, 556 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: you know what I. 557 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 2: Mean, I think so too. My daughter's twelve, and oh wow, yeah, 558 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: I think I think more discussion is better, honestly, because 559 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: when I was young. Kind of the trend was like, 560 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: or the way it was portrayed in pop culture was 561 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 2: like women should just be able to have sex like 562 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: a man and not care, and you know, that's empowerment. 563 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 2: And I feel like nobody talks about like the emotional 564 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 2: impact of sex. 565 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree for. 566 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 2: Some reason, and I think you know, and of course, 567 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 2: like females, we operate a little bit differently. Obviously there's outliers, 568 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 2: but I think for most females there's a huge emotional 569 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 2: impact that comes with sex, and just people don't want 570 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: to talk about that for some reason. They just act 571 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 2: like everything should just be casual. They act like you 572 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: should either be totally casual about it or you need 573 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: to like have like religious principles that keep you in line, 574 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 2: and nobody kind of talks about the in between, like well, 575 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 2: why is it not so great? And how do you 576 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 2: really feel. 577 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 3: That's so true? So true? Allie? 578 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's super interesting, certainly when we're 579 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: thinking about our daughters too, because we have come so 580 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: far in so many ways, and then in some ways 581 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: we still don't have total freedom to talk about anything 582 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: freely that impacts us, right, Like why why is it 583 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: not okay to talk about the fact that women are 584 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: going to potentially be navigating sex differently than men. 585 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 3: That makes sense, right, And. 586 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: Maybe it's maybe it's not true, right, Like maybe there's 587 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: a Samantha out there and she wants to have sex 588 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: like a man, and more power to her, right, But 589 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: what about all of the kind of realities of it, 590 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, like the realities and what do we say 591 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: to our daughters? 592 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 3: And you know, I think it's important to think about that. 593 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: My daughter, they still have sex ed classes that are 594 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: about like consent and you know, really important and interesting 595 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: things that I certainly never we didn't get anything like that. 596 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: We were like, you're going to get your period, Like 597 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: that was really it, you know. 598 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 3: But and I think it's so great. My daughter hates 599 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 3: these classes. 600 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like, oh. 601 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 3: No, And I'm like, just just do it, just do it. 602 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 3: It's going to be useful information. 603 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 1: But it's so so hard to navigate one hundred percent. 604 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 2: It's really tricky. So I think the more discussion and 605 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: the better. 606 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 3: Honestly, I think you're right. 607 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: I think you're right because really, really, you know, covering 608 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: things and having secrecy just leads to bad, badness because 609 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: then people feel like they can't talk and they can't 610 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: say something that's true for them, or they can't report 611 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: something bad that happened to them, or they can't stand 612 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: up to people. 613 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 3: That's the worst. That's what we need to get rid of. 614 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 615 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,719 Speaker 1: Yes, when you look back and you see like if 616 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: you were ever to just be flipping in or not 617 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: that people flip, if you were ever to be streaming 618 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: the episode of Sex and the City at the Mansion 619 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: was there, would you think like, oh and watch it? 620 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 3: Where you'd be like, oh, no, I don't want to 621 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 3: watch it. 622 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 2: I mean for me personally, like I've already seen it 623 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 2: and I like it, and I think it's fun and 624 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 2: I think it's like a fun glimpse into that era. 625 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: The things I get triggered by more personally, I mean, 626 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: it's always surprising, Like I do a rewatch podcast with 627 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: one of my co stars from Girls next Door and 628 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: the show will hit a certain way. But then we 629 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 2: did an episode where we talked about the movie The 630 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 2: House Funny with Anna Faris that yeah, with the Mansion 631 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: and we had parts then and it was weird because 632 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: this was a very lighthearted comedy. But I told Bridget 633 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 2: I'm like watching it on that movie like hit differently 634 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: for some reason, like I never really know how it's 635 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 2: gonna hit. But I think it's in the City episode 636 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 2: because I wasn't in it, and because it more captures 637 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: the time period when I was just aware of Playboy 638 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: as kind of an outsider, Like I think I hadn't 639 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: even gone to. I think that party that the rest 640 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: of your cast went to was the first party I 641 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:30,239 Speaker 2: went to. 642 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, wow. 643 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: So it more kind of captures the era where I 644 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: still like only knew Playboy from the outside and was 645 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 2: kind of fascinated by Like I remember thinking the twins 646 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 2: he was dating were so gorgeous. I remember seeing them 647 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 2: at that party. So for me, it's more one of 648 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: the ones I like. And you know what else I 649 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: love random is in the scene you're wearing this bikini 650 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 2: top that's like cherry print a blast from the past, 651 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 2: because I remember so specifically like that summer, like the 652 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 2: cherry print being everywhere, Like I think Coach did a 653 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: bunch of cherry print bags, and like I was like 654 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: in downtown because I was like a broke college student, 655 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: so I was like in downtown looking for all the 656 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: fake Coach cherry stuff. 657 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 3: I love it. 658 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Shoshana. Do you ever remember Sea? That 659 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: was Shoshana? Because Shoshana was cut for people with hips, 660 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: which would be me, And there was always some stress 661 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: where we would have like beach or bathing suit or whatever, 662 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: because I, you know, I didn't know what the heck 663 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: to wear, and Pat Field, our costume setter, was always 664 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: unsure about me. 665 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 3: And then that's my own so wrong, I just died 666 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 3: on Yeah, thank you so much. 667 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: But I also think that we were fundamentally confused in 668 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: that costume because we come in the daytime but then 669 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: it's nighttime, and. 670 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 3: Were we supposed to get in the ground? 671 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: I don't even know. Like to me, I watched that 672 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: episode and I think, like, what were we doing? Like 673 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: what were we actually doing? I don't know, But it works. 674 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: I mean I love that picture of us with the 675 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: four of us walking walking in And also because we 676 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: are from New York, we also don't really know, you 677 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: know what, Like the characters aren't supposed to know. 678 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: They are so shadow water. 679 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, oh, I'm glad. 680 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you have a positive association when you 681 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: watch it. 682 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 3: That's good. 683 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: That makes me happy, That makes me happy. Well, you 684 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: are such joy. Thank you so so much. I have 685 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: a pressing question for you. Yes, are you a Charlotte? 686 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 2: You know what? Back in the day when Sex and 687 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: the City was on and I watched it regularly, I 688 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 2: was for sure a Charlotte. I identify as being a 689 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,479 Speaker 2: hopeless romantic and all that, but as time goes on, 690 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 2: I think I'm more of a Carrie. I've written a 691 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 2: couple of memoirs, so I identify as a writer. And 692 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: also like all the kind of like anxious attachment style 693 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 2: cringe stuff that Carrie does has totally been me. Like 694 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 2: have you seen those edits where they do the three 695 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 2: times she shows up in big storeway? 696 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 3: I love them so much. 697 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: I'm a crop and the guy doesn't give up that 698 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,719 Speaker 2: that's been me so many Oh no, I think I'm 699 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: really Carrey. 700 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 3: Wow, I love it. I love it. 701 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: I'm also kind of a Carrie. I'm like half Carrie 702 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: half Charlotte. And I do love those edits because there's 703 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: just a way where you can see things from a 704 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: different perspective where you're like, that is so embarrassing. 705 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 3: Do you know what I have to say? 706 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: We've all been there, We've all been there and then 707 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: the funny thing is like, at the time that we 708 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: were making the show, it never entered my mind that 709 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: she should stop trying. Like I was like, of course, yeah, 710 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: go in your McDonald's, you. 711 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 3: Know, the big mag you know whatever. 712 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: I mean. It's also interesting and I like the show 713 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: in that way and that at different times in your 714 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: life you will look at it with different perspectives. 715 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I like. 716 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: That part the best, I think, because we all relate 717 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: in different ways. 718 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 2: Totally. 719 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, you're wonderful, Thank you, Thank you so much.