1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Ron and I want to talk to you about how 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: things are antiquated and need to be updated, especially at 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: motor vehicle agencies. The car Doctor at the very least 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: before you put it, you know, just start driving it. 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: I would take it apart and look at everything. I 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: would measure valve, spring tension and just have a little 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: concern about that. Welcome to the radio home of Ron 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: and Anian the Car Doctor, since this is where car 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call in the garage doors 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: are open, but I am here to take your call 13 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: at eight five and now he running, So listen to 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: this story. Here's a real pip from the shop. This 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: week we had a two thousand nine, so right away 16 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: you know it's a problem. Right It's an eleven year 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: old vehicle and a two thousand nine Honda Civic that 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: needed a starter. Now you know, I go back to 19 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: the days when starters were two bolts and and literally 20 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: twenty minutes maybe a half hour in a hard car, 21 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,639 Speaker 1: and it was in and out two thousand nine Honda Civic. 22 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: The starter is mounted in the back of the engine, 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: above the axle, above the front exhaust pipe. Here's a 24 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: genius move. And you know, after eleven years in in 25 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: North Jersey, New Jersey, North American roads, wherever the car 26 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: is being driven, if it's in a sault belt state, 27 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: which so many are, there's an issue. Everything corrodes. An 28 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: aluminium block, aluminum starter housing steel knows everything just corrodes 29 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: and rots together and becomes an indiscernible mass of a 30 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: lump of something. Well, the starter went bad. It was 31 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: easy enough to diagnose, but it needed to be replaced. 32 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: And that's where the work gets cut out. Right, So 33 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: what used to be such a some job on so 34 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: many cars is now up in the air. The front 35 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: exhaust pipe has to come down. It just makes life easier. 36 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: It's part of the procedure. And I always read the 37 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: procedure and then I look at it and say, is 38 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: there an easier way to do this? Because I don't 39 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: want to believe the guy that wrote the book, you know, 40 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: maybe he's up against some sort of corporate protocol that 41 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: he has to describe every nutbolt. You know, take the 42 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: gas cap out, to remove the to remove the headlight, 43 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: kind of a guy, and and just let's be sure. Yeah, 44 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: I think the front exhaust pipe down now how rusty. 45 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: And you don't have to be a mechanic to answer 46 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: this question, but in your head, just think how rusty 47 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: do you think an exhaust pipe is on a car 48 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: that's been on the road eleven years? Yeah? Take that 49 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: image and double it, because that's what this was like. 50 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: It was you needed a technic shot just working on 51 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: the thing, just looking at it, thinking about it. It 52 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: was that rusty, So you know, it was fortunately And 53 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: it's funny how you I guess you get older and 54 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: you're you're you're doing this long enough, you start to 55 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: think to yourself, you know, how do you time the day? 56 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: And I timed it so that the Honda went up 57 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 1: in the air at about eleven thirty eleven forty five, 58 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: so it's just in time for lunch. So I sprayed. 59 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: I got my p B blaster and I hit the 60 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: front and the rear bolts of the cat pipe real 61 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: heavy or the exhaust pipe real heavy with some PB 62 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: and just let it soak. And and I'll tell you what, 63 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: every time I use it, I just I just praised them. 64 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: There there the ability to move that the control valve 65 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: so you can control the flow and just get just 66 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: enough so you're not spraying all over the place. But 67 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: I got a good soaking on there, and I walked away, 68 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: I had lunch, came back, oh you know, forty five 69 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: minutes later, and I gotta tell you, the bolts just 70 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: came right out. It really was. It really was effortless. 71 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: And the way I do it is I'll soak something 72 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: and then I'll use my weakest cordless impact because I 73 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: don't want to break something, and just enough to give 74 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: it a hit because you wanted to shock it, and 75 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: then will it pull it out the rest of the way. 76 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: And it did. My little, my little Milwaukee three eight 77 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: s gun took it right out, great exhaust pipe down. 78 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: And then I started looking at the axle, so geeto, 79 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: I have to take the axle out. They want you 80 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 1: to take the axle out. But to do that, I'd 81 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: have to disconnect it at the suspension side. And that's 82 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: just a big, rusty, nasty mess, even worse than the 83 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: exhaust pipe, if you can believe that. And I said, 84 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: let me try something different, and I was able to. 85 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: I was able to sneak the starter once I got 86 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: the bolts out, because that's the other problem. All right. 87 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: The two bolts there, fourteen millimeter head bolts, and they 88 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: are the bottom bolt is easy enough to get to, 89 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: but the top bolt, which is why they want you 90 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: to take the axle out so you get some swing. 91 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: Is about four inches long and it's butted right up 92 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: against the underneath the intake manifold which hangs over the side. 93 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's a contortionist put this together. So 94 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: I took off the right front tire, went through the wheelhouse, 95 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: got out a good impact swivel with a lot of 96 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: flicks in it. Got a good impact swivel, put on 97 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: my halffinch gun and bang, pop out the top bolt 98 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: popped out, the top bolt popped out, the bottom bolt. Gee. 99 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: You would think the starter should come out at this point, 100 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: Well I did, but unfortunately it was corroded and you know, 101 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: stuck to the stuck to the transmission. So you know, 102 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: bang bang bang, tap tap tap, nothing's moving. Soaked it 103 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: with a little p B. Came back about twenty minutes later, 104 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: got the starter out, and it's just the whole point 105 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: of this conversation is you can look in the book. 106 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: The book tells you it's six tents of an hour 107 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: to change a starter on an on an ON nine civic, 108 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,559 Speaker 1: meaning it's a little over a half hour's worth of time. Yeah, 109 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: it probably is a little over a half hour's worth 110 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: of time on a new car where everything physically on bolt, 111 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: everything comes out and you've got all your tools lined 112 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: up and you've done twenty of them. But on that 113 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: car that rolls in, it's eleven years old, that you 114 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: haven't done one in a while, and it's it's it's 115 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: not that it's a technically challenging job. It's a thinking job. 116 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: And it's to the customer's advantage not to run through 117 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: it quickly, because that's how other things get broken. And 118 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, you've got to expect if you're driving, and 119 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: most of you are are driving cars six years old 120 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: or older now, because the age of the fleet is huge. 121 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: The age of the fleet, i think is on average 122 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: eleven or twelve years old. That's an old car. Think 123 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: about all the winters, think about all the rough weather, 124 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: think about all the possibility of of road debris, corrosion, 125 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: things they can go wrong and and and hit that 126 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: item and and cause it to solidify, shall we say. So, 127 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: you've just got to be mindful of that, and then 128 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: you've got to be mindful of does your illustrious, wonderful supercar, 129 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 1: whatever it might be in your mind, your Toyota, your Honda, 130 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: your for your GM. You know, we all love our 131 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: cars and a lot of good vehicles out there, but 132 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: none of them are perfect, and they all have their issues, 133 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: and they all have their parts and really stupid locations, 134 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: and sooner or later, somebody's got to come along and 135 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: fix them. And it's either you or it's the mechanic, 136 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: but somebody's gonna have to and just be mindful if 137 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: it's him, consider what they're going through, and don't push 138 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: them for the cheapest job. Push them for the best 139 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: job and the most thorough job and the least intrusive. 140 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: Is the way I like to think it, because I'm happy. 141 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: You know what, starter went on, pipe went back up, 142 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: didn't damage anything, didn't break anything. Now that we try 143 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: not that we you know, that's a big deal, But 144 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: it is a big deal because you can turn around 145 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: and say, hey, we took your living year old car part, 146 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: put it back together, gave it back to you just 147 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: the way we found it plus a starter, so now 148 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: it runs. You're good to go, and that to me 149 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: is a very complete and a very solid kind of 150 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: order repair. Hold on. Welcome Ron and any in the 151 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: Car Doctor here. Five zero is the phone number. We've 152 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: got a lot going on this hour and the next hour, 153 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: if you're so fortunate to take both. I want to 154 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: do a real quick shout out and welcome back k 155 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: x E L out in Iowa. 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We know Dave's a big fan 163 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: of this radio show, and uh, we just wanted to 164 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: do a shout out to him and say we hope 165 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: he and everyone else out there k x E L 166 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: Way and Iowa have a great, great, great weekend. So 167 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: thank you once again. Let's kick the garage doors open 168 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: and let's do what the Car Doctor likes to do 169 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: best and have the most fun with Let's go talk 170 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: to Alan Maryland Nissan CenTra and some evapp codes. Al, 171 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car doctor, sir. How can I help hi? Ron, 172 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: Long time listener. I learned something from your show every week, 173 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: and I thank you for that. Um Nan Center two 174 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty three thousand miles. Wait for it, Wait 175 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: for it, wait, wait for it. Just broken in, brother, 176 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: go ahead, just broken in. Runs great, but recently started 177 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: throwing some evapp codes zero fourty and four, which is 178 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: vent control valve open. Now I've got the factory service 179 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: manual for it, so I started going through the diagnostic procedure. 180 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: First thing they asked you to do is to check 181 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: the hoses around the canister and the O ring that 182 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: sits between the vent control valve and the canister. So 183 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: a couple of hoses were in lousy shape. I straightened 184 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: that out. I pulled the vent control back from the canister, 185 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: looked at the O ring. It looked okay. But I 186 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: coated it with some anti sees compounds something something to 187 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: steal it, because that that O ring will shrivel over time. 188 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Well, I tried to steal it erase the codes, 189 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: but the codes came right back. So The next test 190 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: is the bench tested. It's got a solenoid in it. 191 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: You put twelve twelve votes on it. See if the 192 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: solenoid closes. So I tried to take the vent control 193 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: valve off. I can unbolted from the canister, but the 194 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: electrical connector will not come off. Ye boy, let me 195 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: tell you. Go ahead, ahead, you go ahead, because I 196 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: know what you're gonna say. Go ahead. Al. I shot 197 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: it with p D blaster, and you know it's the 198 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: two pronged tab with the little tab in the middle 199 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: that you're supposed to press down and in. I could 200 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: get the tab to press down and in, and I 201 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: actually could hold it depressed with a small vice gripts 202 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: So I know it's not the tab that's holding it up. 203 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: But I shot more p D blaster at it, hung 204 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: it upside down, let it sit overnight, sort of pend 205 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: a drink and get in. This thing will not come apart. Yeah, 206 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: the problem with them is here. Let me just jump in. Um. 207 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: The problem with these al is dirt and crud accumulates 208 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: inside the connector. This this is the this is the world. 209 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: This is right up there with Honda Civic starter locations. Okay, 210 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: this is an exercise and stupidity. They make it so 211 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: that instead of pulling up on it, you have to 212 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: push in on the plunger to release the safety tab 213 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: under the lock and then pull the connector off. So 214 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: it's a push and pull out kind of motion. You know, 215 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: it might work great in a laboratory with light white lap, 216 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: suited technicians and no duster or dirt. But put it 217 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: on the road for eleven or twelve years. Put it 218 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: on the road for twenty years. Oh yeah, it doesn't work. Now. 219 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: What I would tell you is so you get a 220 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: sense of feel the way I taught myself how Nissan 221 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: connectors come apart. Go under the hood and find one 222 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: that you can get apart. Yeah I did that. Okay, 223 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: there you go, all right now, so now you understand 224 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: what how what the feel is? Right? Okay? So I tried, 225 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: like I said, I held the tab down with of icecripts, 226 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: one jaw on the on the plastic piece in the middle, 227 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: the other jaw on the connector. So I held it 228 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: in place, so I don't believe it's hung up on 229 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: the tab, but that thing just will not come apart. 230 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: And so my fear is that what's happened is the 231 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: the electrical terminals inside the connector have corroded and seized, 232 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: and it's not and it won't come apart because it 233 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: sees internally. It's not that the plastic won't slide, it's 234 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: that the internal terminals are frozen. Y. If that's the case, 235 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: that might explain the codes. Because if if ec M 236 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: can't get twelve vols to the control valves, it can't 237 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: close it, and so it throws a control valve open code. 238 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: And if it can't close that valve, then it can't 239 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: do elite test on ev APP system and it throws 240 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: the four forty. I'm coming to a conclusion the problem 241 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: is not in EVAP system the problems, and that's thinking connector. Well, 242 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: we won't know till we get We won't know till 243 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: we get it apart. So you can attack this one 244 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: of two ways. All right, You're not going to find 245 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: a connector from either Nissan or a part's house, because 246 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: I don't believe anybody just makes a connector for that. 247 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: I can't find anything. Their mentality is you need a 248 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: connector by the whole wiring harness. That's right again. Another 249 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: another genius idea or come by a new car. You know, well, 250 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: if you stop driving this car with tor sixty miles 251 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: on it, you know, come buy a new car. So 252 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: you're either going to you're either going to go to 253 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,599 Speaker 1: a scrap yard, a salvage yard and find find a 254 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: Nissan something similar that generation that's got a connector that 255 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: you can get a part and then cut yours and 256 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: then solder splice that in so you can maintain the 257 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: factory connector. Or you're going to look at that new 258 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: Did you get a new solenoid yet? Do do you 259 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: have a new one? Okay, So at this point you're 260 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: probably better if buying a solenoid because they're not terribly expensive. 261 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: I think they're fifty sixty bucks. I don't think there 262 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: are a lot of though. And then you can look 263 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: you can look at the spade terminal on it, you know, 264 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: and think to yourself, could you use just two spades 265 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: all right? Onto that? And then and then either our 266 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: TV seal the top of the vent solenoid, you know, 267 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: just put some RTV around it to weather proof it, 268 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: or pack it with grease, or like I said, find 269 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: a connector from a salvage yard in in order to 270 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, move this along. You know what I did that. 271 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: I looked on eBay, found a bunch of the I 272 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: found solenoid valve and of course the pictures, some of 273 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: them you can magnify them. It looks to me like 274 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,599 Speaker 1: that's that's exactly what I thought. I could put a 275 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: couple of space connectors on the air. But those two 276 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: terminals are awfully close together. I don't think I can 277 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: get two space terminals in there. And of course they're depressed. 278 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: They're inside the planetic cowns on the back control valve. 279 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: You no, I um, you know, I'm really at my 280 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: wits end to try to get the sucker apart. I'll 281 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: tell you. I'll tell you what. I'll stay put, let 282 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: me pull over, take a pause. We'll finish when I 283 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: come back. I ran over. Don't go away, I'm running 284 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: any of the car doctor will return right after this. 285 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: For the best in car advice, give Ron a call 286 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: eight by five five six zero nine nine zero zero 287 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: now factor on al. You're still there, sir. So what 288 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: you've got to do is listen. This has got to 289 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: go one of two ways. You either going to get 290 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: a new solenoid so that you can see how the 291 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: terminals are set up, all right, um or you're going 292 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: to try and find the connector first, but you've got 293 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: to attack it from one end or the other. Now. 294 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: The other thing, the other thing you could do, or both. 295 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: The other thing you could do is get to the 296 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: connector and give yourself enough room so you can repair 297 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: it and put it back together if you have to. 298 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: But cut the wire, all right, get it off the car. 299 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: At least get it off the car so you can 300 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: work at it in a normal position and and then 301 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: splice it back together. But you know, then you can 302 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: see which is power, which is ground? Put your twelve, 303 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: put your ground, and then at least you can test 304 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: the solenoid it's gonna have. It's going to be vented 305 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: when you've got no power to and it's gonna be 306 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: closed when you apply power to it. At least you 307 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: can see does it work? All right? Now, The other 308 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: thing you can do, there are companies out there that 309 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: do supply because you gotta remember the manufacturers, the o 310 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: ees don't don't necessarily make uh, you know, connectors. There 311 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: are companies out there that's apply it to the original manufacturers. 312 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: Now a little long alright, It was twenty one years ago. 313 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: There's not a lot of these cars left, but you 314 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: could possibly, you know, look around the internet and see 315 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: does anybody make the O E M connector for that. 316 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: I've done that on older Gms and older Fords, and 317 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: I found just connectors where they said, no, you have 318 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: to buy a whole harness or or you're just going 319 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: to find and buy a used harness. You know, sometimes 320 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: you call up a scrap yard and I don't care 321 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: where they are, but find a scrapyard that will sell 322 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: you a wiring harness for that generation vehicle. If you're 323 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: planning to keep the car brother for for for what 324 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: might be a hundred bucks, you'll get the entire harness. 325 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: You can pick connectors off there all day long. Yeah yeah. 326 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: Let me ask you one last thing real quick if 327 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: this is going to be a treasure hunt, I I 328 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: realized that, Um, let me ask you one last thing 329 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: real quickly. What if I just ignore it and keep 330 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: driving the thing? Because the vent control valve, as far 331 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: as I can determine, this is not the purge valve. 332 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: The purge ALB is what passes the vapors from the 333 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: canister through the inseke manifolds. As far as I can 334 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: tell the only thing this valve does is isolate the 335 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: evap some from the atmosphere so that the e c 336 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: M can do elite test on the EAPs. Well, that's 337 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: part of it, but and it also allows this the 338 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: the e c M when it wants to to scavenge 339 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: fumes out of the canister at the proper time. But 340 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: the bigger problem is going to be is that the 341 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: check engine light will continue to be on right and 342 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: you won't pass Maryland inspection because you'll have a fault 343 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: code set. And an even bigger problem will be that 344 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: that vehicle, if it sets an additional fault, and let's 345 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: face it, twenty one years old, two sixty plus miles, 346 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: the chance of its setting a fault are pretty probably 347 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: pretty good. So how will you know? And you won't, 348 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: So you know, if you're gonna drive it, You've maintained 349 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: it this far, continue to maintain it. I'll keep it 350 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: a safe vehicle and let the check engine light do 351 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: its job. I get at it. You know you could, 352 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: you could drive with it on. It's not gonna hurt you, 353 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: but in the long term it may hurt the car, 354 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: which in turn will hurt you. Appreciate the call. I'm 355 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: running any of the car Doctor. We're back right after this, 356 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: just taking this welcome back. We're on any of the 357 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: car Doctor. Lest get over to Albert in Virginia with 358 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: a crowned vic Albert. Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. 359 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: How can I help? Hey buddy, um, thank you so 360 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: much your time to speak with me today. My nineteen 361 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: three crowned Victoria. Uh picked it up on side rape 362 00:18:52,280 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: a hunt Bucks replaced what I call anyway stuff that 363 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: you you're gonna have to replace anyway. You know, some brakes, 364 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: um so in those uh five my mom is going blank. 365 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: But anyway, uh calipers, you know, yeah you did a 366 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: breaking you did a break over haul Albert. I did 367 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: so and it's uh, I'm sorry but it's Oliver. But anyway, 368 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: uh anyway, Uh, you know, you could drive a thing 369 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: for three months and everything is great, hard pedal and 370 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, damn, the pedal goes to 371 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: the floor. Okay, so let me ask you. Let me 372 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: ask you this, Oliver. You you just got the car 373 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: this Saturday or you've been driving it for a while. 374 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: Oh no, I've had it. I'd say, when did we 375 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: buy the car. But hell, it's been three years since 376 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: about the car, and so so when you when you 377 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: bought when you bought the car, you did a break overhaul, 378 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: pad's rotors, calipers, clinders, that kind of stuff. But a 379 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: brand new set of missilings on that face missiling pull 380 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: wheelbarrow out of it on my wheelbarr Yeah, did you 381 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: happen to I mean, everything is good. Did you happen 382 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: to replace did you happen to replace the master cylinder? Okay, 383 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: and you're saying every couple of three months you get 384 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: a hard break pedal or the brake pedal drops to 385 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: the floor. No, the brake pedal is hard all the time. 386 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden to the floor and 387 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: to the floor twice. And it ain't like you're pumping 388 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: it up. It's to the floor twice. And then you've 389 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: got a hard break again. Okay, when you say hard 390 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: are you talking about? It feels like the vehicle doesn't 391 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: have power breaks, you know, like manual breaks. Is it 392 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,959 Speaker 1: is it? Is? It? Is? It a high pedal effort 393 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: compared to other vehicles you've driven. Just like like ill said, 394 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: all at once goes to the floor and you you 395 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: go to the floor twice and then you've got a 396 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: normal break action. Again, Anybody trying to diagnose you just 397 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: gotta move your foot just you know, hill half an 398 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: inch and you got break, you know, And I mean 399 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: it ain't that much and you got breake. But then 400 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, And and I'm the 401 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: Haynes manuals better than nothing, but it talks about the 402 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: eight see you, and and it tells me that I'm 403 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: not able once I take you know, the the Masters 404 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: on the off of theur. You know that that that 405 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: it can't be done at the house. You can't bleed 406 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: the breaks at the house, probably can't. So let me 407 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: let me let me ask you a couple of Let 408 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: me ask you a couple of questions. Oliver, all right, 409 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: when you when you purchased the Master cylinder, was it newer, rebuilt? Well, 410 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: I can't tell you, all right, you know I got 411 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: it from advanced though what you know, I really can't 412 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: tell you. Do you remember what you paid for it? Oh? 413 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: Yeah I don't, right, yeah, no, I get it. So 414 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: you know the first thing I would do is listen. 415 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta cover the basics, right, I'm sure 416 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: somebody or you you've looked it over. There's no physical leaks. 417 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: You don't see a loss of fluid anywhere, and that 418 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: the hydraulics everything is dry. That's step one. All right. 419 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: Are you adding any break fluid to the Master over 420 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 1: a period of time at all? Nothing? Okay, So it's 421 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: not like it's not it's not losing fluid. So it's 422 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: either something is bypassing, all right, or we've and and 423 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: or we've got a defective component. There's only two real 424 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: components in this system that are going to allow this 425 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: to happen. One is the master and the other is 426 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: the hydraulic control unit. All the A, B S control 427 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: Now for a ninety three I doubt that that HCU 428 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: that hydraulic control unit is even available anymore, so that 429 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: that is is that the electrical component that yeah? Yeah, 430 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: so in this book that they need to have a 431 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: scan tool to bleat it. Yeah, some count of two 432 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: before before I went through all that, Oliver, all right, 433 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: I would want to know is this a remanned Master cylinder. 434 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: If this is a remanned Master cylinder and not new, 435 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: I would start with a fresh new Master cylinder lead 436 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: the system. Does the problem go away? Only because you're limited. 437 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: Only because you're limited by what you can do now. 438 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: Advance may still warranty that Master, or at the very 439 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: least East. They should have records where I bet you 440 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: could go back. I know they can go back two years. 441 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if they can go back three, but 442 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: they may be able to find that invoice if you 443 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: can give him a time frame. And if you can't 444 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: find your yeah, but well, yeah, I get that, brother, 445 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying it would help him the diagnosis 446 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: to know is this a reman or a new all right? 447 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: And if this is a reman, I never use re 448 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: manufactured break components. When it comes to Master cylinders, calipers, Yes, 449 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: will cylinders that hasn't been issued for twenty years, would 450 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: I know, I just pay for a new one. They're 451 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: cheap enough. But master cylinders, there's too much going on there, 452 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: all right, And this could all be over a Master cylinder. 453 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: That's just you know, it's a ninety three. The cars 454 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: almost thirty thousand three was almost thirty years old, twenty 455 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: seven years old. Um, you know, so I would start 456 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 1: with a Master. If that doesn't do it for you, 457 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: and you've got to get into the hydraulic control unit. 458 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: One of the things you could do is unplugged the 459 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: electrical control all right. In other words, just disconnect the 460 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: electrical plug from the hydraulic control unit. Drive the car. 461 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: Now you won't have anti lock brakes and a warning 462 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: light's gonna come up on the dashboard, all right, But 463 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: it will prevent that control unit from possibly if this 464 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: is an electrical issue. See, the problem is you could 465 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: have an electrical issue in that control unit, putting the 466 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: system in, putting the system into bypass mode, causing the 467 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: pedal to drop the front or the right something that 468 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: I would think it will be the front or the 469 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: back would have a well if it's well, this could 470 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: also just this could also just be a bad master 471 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: letting the pedal go to the floor too. Like I said, 472 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: there's only one of two possible abilities. If there's no leaks, 473 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: if all the h if the if the hydraulic controls 474 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: at each wheel check out correctly, all right, there's only 475 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: other two possibilities, Master or the hydraulic control unit itself. 476 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: And that's the way I would approach it, all right. 477 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: That's why I'm taking the time with you here, all right, kiddo, 478 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: So do that I would go talk to the guys 479 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: in advance. Maybe they'll warrantee it. Maybe they can at 480 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: least identify is this a reman or not. You'll know 481 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: that by the price of the new one. But you 482 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: want to get a new master cylinder, especially for a 483 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: vehicle that old. And then go out and leave the 484 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: system and go through it very carefully. Let me know 485 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: how you make out, Oliver, and uh, well, we'll hope 486 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: that it all works out for you. Zero running any 487 00:26:45,160 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: of the car Doctor coming back right after this. Hey, 488 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,719 Speaker 1: welcome back, Needing the car doctutist cover and talked too, 489 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: Rich in Massachusetts. Rich, welcome to the Car Doctor, sir, 490 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: thanks for waiting. How can I help? I got a 491 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: twenty eleven dewer cluecern and I've got a transmission problem. 492 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: Now for the for the last ninety miles, you stop 493 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: at an intersection and then you start up again. The 494 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 1: engine spins as if a neutral for a split second, 495 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: and then it catches gear and jerks forward for the 496 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,719 Speaker 1: last ninety thousand miles. Yes, my father bought this car 497 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: when they had twenty thousand miles on it, about nine 498 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: years ago. And I've got the kind of Now I 499 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: got a hundred and thirteen thousand miles on it and 500 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: it's it just does that, okay. So can I ask 501 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: why you're worried about it now? Just out of curiosity? Well, 502 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: I didn't know if it would be expensive to have 503 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: the transmission rebuilt or if it might get worse. Well 504 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: has it been? Has it? Has it been the same 505 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: consistency for the past nine years and or ninety miles worth? 506 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: Like it's never gotten any worse? Not? And guess what, Yeah, 507 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna be expensive. Um spidometer work okay, No, no 508 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: problems with the way the spienometer is reading or displaying 509 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: on the dashboard. Well, all other all other shifts are okay? No, 510 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: are are they rich? All other shifts are okay? You know, 511 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: I mean somebody would need to diagnose and go in 512 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: and look to see you know what sort of inputs 513 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,239 Speaker 1: are coming on and and you know what sort of 514 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: command the PCM is sending out at different times for 515 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: the pressure control solenoid to create this, but especially pulling 516 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: away from a stop. This sounds like a primery engagement issue. 517 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: Has the trans ever been serviced? Uh No, it's it's 518 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: it's been flushed out about fifty hours ago the transmission 519 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: fluid changed. So what's expensing? What's what's expensive to you 520 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't fix this more than five Uh? Yeah, Okay, 521 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: I guess what. I just saved you a bunch of money. 522 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: You're done, you know. Um, I get where you're coming from, 523 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: and it sounds like there's something broken. But whatever it is, 524 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: it's it's you know, whether this is something that's you know, 525 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: we've got to seal it's momentarily bypassing until it spends 526 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: up fast enough. Whether this is a converter problem, whether 527 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: this is something electronic. Uh, you know, after nine years 528 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: and ninety miles, you know, it's sort of because it 529 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: sort of doesn't matter what you find unless it's something 530 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: external that can be that you're gonna screw into the 531 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: side of the transmission or you know, a connector or 532 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: a ground or something. If you take the trans out 533 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: of the nine year old car, the car spent its 534 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: whole life in man Instachusetts, so everything's nice and rusty 535 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: and crunchy. Aren't you gonna yeah, yeah, aren't you. Aren't 536 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: you going to rebuild that trans so you go another 537 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: nine years? In theory? Yeah right, I just said I 538 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: just saved you four thousand dollars. See that now, Now, 539 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: if the trans were to fail and you know, then 540 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: you want to go through and do a diagnosis because 541 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: there's no check engine light on right now, right rich right? Yeah? 542 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: So um, you know, my my guess is it's something 543 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: more mechanical that isn't affecting any input center to the 544 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: PCM and that's why you're not seeing a fault light. 545 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: But it doesn't sound like something that's going to be 546 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: resolved for under five bucks if I have to put 547 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: a number on it. Okay, regarding transmission flush or just 548 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: dropped the pen and change the filter. I've heard some mechanics, 549 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: uh getting away from the complete transmission and flesh because 550 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: it just somebody said that they distributes particles throughout the 551 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: transmission and causes problems. Do you have any thoughts on that? Well? Yeah, 552 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: My my feeling is if the trans is that sensitive, 553 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,239 Speaker 1: I want to know about it. I want to know 554 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: that it's going to fail now. I'll explain it like this, 555 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: and I tend to look at trans service on a 556 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: case by case basis. The regular customers at the shop 557 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: that have been an unregular scheduled maintenance and we've done 558 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: the thirty, the sixty ninety. I never have to think 559 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: about it because I know when the fluid was changed least. 560 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: And if they want to do pan drops and filters. 561 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: If that's the case, I get it some people out 562 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: for a pan and filter drop and we'll do a 563 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: fluid exchange. I won't do it at thirty. Maybe I'll 564 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: do it at sixty, and then i'll do it pan 565 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: drop at thirty, and then I'll do a fluid exchange 566 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: with a pan drop at one. But you know the 567 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: one guy who shows up at a hundred thousand miles 568 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: and says, gee, I want to do a fluid exchange. 569 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: You know, this is an interesting This is an interesting 570 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: scenario because now the problem becomes fresh trans fluid. Transmission 571 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: fluid has a very high scrubbing detergent action to it. 572 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: So you take this dred thousand mile transmission that's got 573 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: varnished in particular built up on the sidewalls internal case 574 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: of the trans and you put this fresh fluid in there. 575 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: They can now scrub away at all that particulate and 576 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: you can create problems. And that's where the faults come from. 577 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: That's where the trans breaks down. Because the transmission works 578 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: on hydraulic circuits. Right, it's all you know, flowing through 579 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: passageways in some cases smaller than the eye of a needle. 580 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: Now you clog it with particulate. So what would I 581 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: do with this case a D and thirteen thousand miles. 582 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: I'd probably do a pan drop and just keep an 583 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: eye on the fluid and maybe in ten thousand miles 584 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: go back and then do an exchange if the trans 585 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: holds up to that. But I wouldn't spend too much 586 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: more than that on this because it is nine years old, 587 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: and it does sound like it has an inherent problem, 588 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: and I don't want you to spend you know, the 589 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: King's ransom trying to resurrect something that you know nine 590 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: years old may have an additional problem. Just keep an 591 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: eye on the fluid level, condition and color. I appreciate 592 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: the call, Rich, Good luck to you and yours. I'm 593 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: on nating of the Car Doctor. We're back right after this. 594 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: Every every hey, welcome back. Weren't in any of the 595 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: car Doctor. Remember last week I was telling you about 596 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: how I got the letter from New Jersey Motor Vehicle 597 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: because when I renewed the plow truck online. It was 598 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: seven dollars more than the form that they had sent 599 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: me in the mail, and they sent me a letter 600 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: saying that the form and the mail was incorrect. And 601 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: after I had renewed online, they sent me a letter 602 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: stating that the form and the mail was incorrect and 603 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: if I route online, I would get it right. So 604 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: after the fact, like two and a half weeks after 605 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: the fact, I get a notice that there's a potential problem. 606 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: I ignored it. See they're teaching you to ignore things. 607 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: I think that's part of the uh you know d 608 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: m VS plan here in New Jersey. So I ignored it. 609 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: The next mail day, Monday, my registration shows up all 610 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: taken care of, no problem. So I don't understand. I 611 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: mentioned this to Danny at the shop this week and 612 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: he said, oh, you got that letter to and he 613 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: explained he had gotten the same thing. So it turns 614 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: out New Jersey Motor Vehicle is apparently mailing out registration 615 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: renewal forms applying discounts that people are ineligible for creating 616 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: more work. They have to now send out notices stating that, hey, 617 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: we sent out a notice in error with the wrong 618 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: information on it, and you should ignore that or contact 619 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: us and we'll make it right. If you live in 620 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: New Jersey, you know what this is about. You've seen this. 621 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: You've been to the motor vehicle agency. You see how 622 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: the lines are up and around the block, and you 623 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: can't get anywhere close to any motor vehicle agency in 624 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: New Jersey. There are people getting up at three am 625 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: going to camp out in front of motor vehicle so 626 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: they can get there sometime during the eight hours shifts, 627 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: so they can get their paperwork done and their vehicles registered. 628 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 1: Something's got to be done about motor vehicle I realized 629 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: it's not a big priority right now, but at some 630 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: point in the few futcher it's got to happen. I'm 631 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: running any in the car doctor reminding you this time 632 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: until the next time. Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 633 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: See it.