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Speaker 1: make that church look fun. I definitely would have been

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Speaker 2: Oh come on, that could bring you to the tear

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Speaker 2: right now, That right there, that won't bring a tear

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Speaker 1: That right there summarizes what I want my legacy.

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Speaker 2: Today's guest everyone needs a proper introduction because he is

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Speaker 2: this year's icon, by the way, the BET Awards one

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Speaker 2: of them. He is someone whose music has not only

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Speaker 2: moved us, but it's healed us. He is a true icon,

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Speaker 2: a storyteller, a spiritual warrior. He has spent decades read

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Speaker 2: not been perfect, but that's why we love you. Because

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Speaker 2: you are real, You are authentic. You live your life

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Speaker 2: out loud for us to learn from and be inspired

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Speaker 2: by in such an authentic way. That is why you

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Speaker 2: are an icon who deserves to be honest.

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Speaker 1: Frankly, well honor to be here. Oh thank you for

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Speaker 1: the green apple.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you gotta just think about it. Hilarious where it's

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also like like you guys know by me

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Speaker 1: with their apples, right for those who don't know, there

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Speaker 1: was a full thing with the apples explaining the apples. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's just funny. Like quite a few years ago, I

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a bad thing to be connected

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Speaker 1: to us now, Bato, Yeah, it's healthy, healthy, flick quick queen,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's swaggy. It's swaggy, it's real sober case

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Speaker 1: you talk while you're holding it. You know what I'm

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about being an icon? The word icon?

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Speaker 2: The moments of when people take a moment, because you know,

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Speaker 2: we say, hey, man, good job, or hey, we appreciate

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Speaker 1: It is very it's very out of body. It is

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Speaker 2: And sweitch for you to be like okay to receive

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Speaker 2: No you stop it, please, Oh.

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Speaker 1: No, you just you you You always showed me love

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Speaker 2: But I you know, sometimes you have to like campaign

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Speaker 2: So it's not for me to be on that wall.

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Speaker 2: It's actually as representation. It's important for me to be

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Speaker 2: So if you take that energy and put it outside.

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Speaker 2: I feel about being honored.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well thank you for understanding.

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Speaker 2: Totally really truly are an icon. You don't feel like that, no, really, not.

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Speaker 1: Even I feel like it's I feel like I'm always

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Speaker 3: Jesus yay, and a lot of people buy it, you know,

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Speaker 1: But because you know, you know, it's so funny.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, man, it's because it ain't the sexiest. It's

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, we religion has done a lot

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Speaker 3: There's so many you know, when you I mean when

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Speaker 1: How religion in the name of God. And so I'm

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Speaker 2: Do you feel discouraged.

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Speaker 1: I often feel discouraged, but I also have moments where

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Speaker 3: You know, there are times I want to go in

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Speaker 2: I assume you're always connected to God and as somebody

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Speaker 1: And it is amazing that it's the assumption that I

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm you know, I that has been my goal.

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Speaker 2: It's the blowback of like I remember you being honest

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Speaker 3: Just because I talk about God don't mean you don't

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 2: many places I want to go and talk about today.

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Speaker 1: Career, you can do it all, but I've been waiting

438
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 1: to talk to you.

439
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 2: That makes me so happy. It really doesn't really make

440
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Speaker 2: you happy.

441
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: She don't know, she don't know.

442
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't. I don't take that for granted. No,

443
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 2: you don't listen, who sit in that chair? Just come

444
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: because they told them you don't know.

445
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: You don't know what I mean? Your culture, thank you

446
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: your coach to presumify. Next question, how much do you

447
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: think personified them? So I'm gonna say correctly.

448
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: How much do you think because there's always this conversation

449
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: about like God's will and our choices. You know, we're

450
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: free will, right, we have free will.

451
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: To see where eagle, to see where eagle?

452
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 2: I mean, just how much do you think what happens

453
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: to us in our lives or where we are in

454
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 2: our lives is actually God's doing versus personal choices? And yeah,

455
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 2: that's it. That is the question.

456
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Speaker 1: Let me explain to you the greatest example of sovereign

457
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: will that humans. Okay, my kids, they live in my home.

458
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: They have the freedom to go into the kitchen any

459
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: time they want to. They have the freedom to go

460
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 1: in the backyard. They have they have the freedom to

461
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, lay and lay on the bed. They even

462
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: have the freedom if I'm not watching, even jump on

463
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: the bed. They have the freedom to you know, to

464
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: to sit in the living room and watch TV. Right,

465
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: they have freedom up under my roof that they have

466
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: that freedom. In that freedom, there's still a sovereign freedom

467
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: of that everything that they do still falls under the

468
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: authority of my unspoken or my spoken presence of the

469
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: fact that everyone under the roof knows that they do

470
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: not contribute to the bills, they do not contribute to

471
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: the building of the house. So there is still a

472
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: sovereign respect that they have for the for the room,

473
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: and the fact that it's still my house. They have

474
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Speaker 1: freedom in the house. Freedom They don't have to ask

475
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: me if they can get some water. Yeah, you can

476
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: get some water to your house. But they know that

477
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: they can't take a water hose and connected to that

478
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: to our house and try to water the whole neighborhood.

479
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: Because they understand, They naturally instinctively understand. I don't have

480
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: to say to them, you can't water everybody. They instinctively

481
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: know it's humans. Even in our will, there is an

482
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: instinctive knowledge that God. There's a scripture in Romance that

483
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: says that God has put eternity in the hearts of man.

484
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: That's what every human knows. That's something bigger than this

485
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: every human. Now, they may call the different things in

486
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: different parts of the world where we know different religious

487
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: may call it different things, but every human knows that

488
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: that if there's a watch, then there's a watchmaker. If

489
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: there's a sky and a star, it seems like that

490
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: just can be coincidental. And so we pursue those things.

491
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: And so the things that happen in our life, even

492
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: when we are believing that we are in charge, there

493
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: is still this house that we live in that is

494
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: owned by someone else. And even in our mistakes, God

495
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: sovereignly uses them and will allow them. Every day in

496
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: our lives, God it either creates a God allows, and

497
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: they all need to the same. Defining moment is that

498
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: He's going to use it all good, bad, and ugly

499
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: far better. Look how many people's lives have been changed

500
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: for the good. They're going to prison, yeah, yeah, and

501
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: and and some people there have been even people who

502
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: said going to prison was the best thing to save

503
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: my life. You will never think that, so even in

504
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: the bad, yeah, there's a plan.

505
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: I always find that conversation interesting because, like I've had

506
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 2: friends who've had awful things in their lives, lost their children.

507
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 2: I have a friend just lost their husband, and it's

508
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: always the questioning of God's will is God's will or

509
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: or is this just I don't know life or it's

510
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: like a I don't know's. It's a conversation that comes up,

511
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: especially when you're in your loves, when you're in.

512
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: Sorrow, and it is complex and I don't and I

513
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: don't expect for I don't expect for this conversation to

514
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: all the riddle.

515
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: That I have so much expectation of you.

516
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: Man's just so dumb. Sorry, And I think that the

517
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: biggest answer that we can give people that has the

518
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: most healing that sometimes people that are people of faith

519
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: that don't give is you know, the greatest answer to

520
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: give people some of the biggest life questions.

521
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: I don't know.

522
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, And that's when it Yeah, it's because

523
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: sometimes people of faith think they always have to have

524
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: the answer. But then I can also say but what

525
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't know doesn't cancel out what I do. I'm adopted.

526
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: My mom and daddy didn't want me. Nobody wanted me.

527
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: I was an abandoned child and I lived. Even the

528
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: woman that adopted me, she didn't adopt it because she

529
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: wanted me. She adopted him because it was really no

530
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: all the options, and I felt that absence of love

531
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: even from her that I was I was tolerated. I

532
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: have lived a life full of charuma because I was

533
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: never accepted. But I have seen God use that pain

534
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: with this pad to write some of the most powerful

535
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: songs that have touched people that I never could have

536
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: written if I would have come from a beautiful home,

537
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: perfect from a beautiful place. So lemons and lemonade are

538
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: all part of God's DNA for us, and he uses it,

539
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: and he does it beautifully. Why the house? I can't

540
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: answer everything, but the things that I do know, I

541
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: will share and I will experience, and I'll tell people

542
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: because they've been proven. I've seen it.

543
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: What is the key for that? Somebody who didn't experience

544
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: love as a child, who felt that void, And I

545
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 2: know it's connected to God, but there's probably people who

546
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: missed that moment, like somebody who came up in the

547
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: same circumstances as you, like, what do you I know

548
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: you credit that to God, But how do you get

549
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: to God?

550
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: Like?

551
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: What is the thing that brought you to God? Did

552
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: he find you? Did you like? Was it just God?

553
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: Or was the self? What did you like? Was there

554
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: therapy too? Was there?

555
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: Great questions? These are great life questions.

556
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: I'm just life. Does God or did you also have tools?

557
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: Things you have to do to kind of heal? Well?

558
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 3: Well?

559
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: Well? Healing?

560
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: Healing can also be subjective, right, is there is there

561
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: is that? Sometimes you live with limbs, you know, so

562
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: sometimes you you have to adjust, Yeah, yeah, yeah, sometimes

563
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: you have to win wounded. Yeah yeah, you know, you

564
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: know you you you have to understand whether he got

565
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: his bars?

566
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: Was a bar?

567
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know that? Uh yeah, it's I just think

568
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: that it's I just think that the ingredients that God

569
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: uses for every son and daughter are going to vary

570
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: based on the ultimate plan he has for the long

571
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: haul of their life. Right, and so some people may

572
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: not find their faith until their death. Bad. But if

573
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: that was God's playing, I gotta trust it. It's almost

574
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: like I've got to trust God with you, but I

575
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: don't understand what he's doing with you. I gotta trust him.

576
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: I have four children, and oh four of my kids

577
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: have have had the same meal. I have an oldest

578
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: son that I've had problems with. We've gone through many things.

579
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: But he certainly, yeah, he sat at the same table,

580
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: had the same meal, but chose to die just differently.

581
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: Why that happens, I don't know. Because every child, I

582
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: promise you I was the same dude to every kid.

583
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: How are you as a father? You know?

584
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: I wish that I probably I regret that I did

585
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: not have the best tools to learn how to be

586
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: the type of husband and father that I probably have

587
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: seen on TV that I that I've watched other men

588
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: and women have that. Man, I wish I had that

589
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: skill set.

590
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: You know.

591
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: I have a much natural skill set of doing what

592
00:30:53,720 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: I do. I never saw a family until I, Like

593
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: my wife's family was the first family I saw there

594
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: with the mother and father were home together and all

595
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. It's like, that's crazy, you know,

596
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And you know, by

597
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: the time I'm in my twenties, so you know, my

598
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,239
Speaker 1: my my way of expressing love probably had a lot

599
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: to do with just providing. You know, I want you

600
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: guys to have the best life, and let me try

601
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: to provide. I mean, I'm an worcoholic. I work, you know,

602
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: and so they say they love me. They say they're

603
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: proud of me, you know. They they they they say

604
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: they like being around me, you know, and so that

605
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: makes me feel good, you know. I mean, they they

606
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: want to go to lunch, they want to go to dinner,

607
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: they want to hang out. You know, they always ask

608
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: them for the hook up, you know. You know, so

609
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I hope I make them proud

610
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: with what I didn't have, what I didn't know, you know.

611
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: Same for Tammy, you know. I mean, you know, sometime

612
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: I look at Tim and out there and I think, man,

613
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: I wish that she could have had a more domestic

614
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: Joe kind of guy. You know, Hey, honey, I'm home.

615
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: Would he be happy though all of that? I don't know.

616
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Thirty years in January, thirty years, you know.

617
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: But you know, but music is a passion for me.

618
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: Creating is a passion for She has to share you

619
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: with that, right yeah. Yeah, And you know she's an

620
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: incredible woman for doing so. I just wish that, you know,

621
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: I I wish that I could have had a mom

622
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: and daddy. I wish I could have seen somebody do

623
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: it a certain way that I could have known how

624
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: to just be better at it.

625
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting, I just this just came to me.

626
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: I saw when Lebron was like talking about Savannah how

627
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: he wouldn't have had the career he had because he

628
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been able to have the family he had

629
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: if she wasn't taking care of those things while he

630
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: was off chasing the moon, you know. And so I

631
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: guess there was he was talking about that. I don't know,

632
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: And then it started a conversation once me and my

633
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: friends like, that's not an easy role for a while

634
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: to play. It's like the support role for someone who

635
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: has this big star.

636
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 1: Now, what's beautiful about this story is is that they

637
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: dated before he became that. Yeah. Yeah, Well when I

638
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: married Tammy, I was already yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, true,

639
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: true true. I mean by the time I got married,

640
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: Why We're.

641
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: Sing was a platinum album and you know, listening to that,

642
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, still thank you the same way.

643
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like in twenty twenty five, I was listening to it,

644
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: and I was having a little annoyance because something was

645
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: not going right. And as soon as I put it on,

646
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: it's like, wow, it's like a calming thank you, thank you.

647
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: It just works every time.

648
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: Thank you?

649
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: Does it worked for you?

650
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: A good questions? I think I'm just always consumed with

651
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: what's in front of me that that I don't get

652
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: a chance to always relaxing what is already.

653
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: I think this season for you you should open up to,

654
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: like smelling some of the flowers that you laid down,

655
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Oh, I'm gonna say you

656
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: don't have other things to do. I know you have stuff,

657
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: but like, no, you don't want to miss but you

658
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: know you don't give yourself permission to do that for

659
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: a little bit.

660
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: But you know, here's the question, what if it isn't

661
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: And it's just a question, okay, shoot, give it to it.

662
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, what if it's not meant for everyone

663
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: to always what silver and gold?

664
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: I just turned it over because I didn't wanted.

665
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: To easy silver gold just start flying.

666
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: That's crazy, okay, And that's not even what I was

667
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: listening to.

668
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's not what I was listening to that's banana. Wow,

669
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: what if it's not for everybody?

670
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: Silver and Gold, maybe maybe you need to Yeah, but

671
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: the song says, though I know I run somebody keep

672
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 3: you know, not even fortune.

673
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: Maybe he's signing your point, your port.

674
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: They just go signing my point and I love for

675
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: y'all just keep rolling in the middle of everything. I

676
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: love the kind of show see that. This This is

677
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: my kind of show.

678
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 2: It's a real show. We try to keep it real

679
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: here real life. You know, that's the name of the

680
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 2: show is real life.

681
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: This is my kind of show, right, real life.

682
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 2: Ain't everything, ain't no pretty? I love it perfect crooked.

683
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: That is crazy how Silver and Gold came on maybe

684
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: just to afraid Yeah, and you know, but I'm going

685
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: to mess with you. It does co sound how I'm

686
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: wired Like like for me, I do prefer keeping my

687
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: eyes there instead of the basking in here. I do

688
00:35:59,080 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: get it.

689
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: I do I I'm I'm giving you what advice that

690
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: I don't. I hate looking back and accolades the moment.

691
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: I like, what am I gonna do next? See yesterday is.

692
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: Like, so you get it? I do get it.

693
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: I do get it.

694
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: And you're trying to get me and you're trying to

695
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: get me over here.

696
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: Well, because I think also life is short and we

697
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: work hard, and I think it's just trying. It's like

698
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 2: a birthday party sometimes, like it's you have a birthday

699
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: party because you're happy to be alive and you're grateful

700
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: for another year.

701
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: And I don't look for birth because I was I

702
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: was a kid that didn't have birthday parties them, so

703
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: they don't mean and and you know, maybe that's what

704
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: some of it is too, is that I didn't grow

705
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: up being celebrated. So I'm okay. I'm just naturally wired

706
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: to note. But I'm okay.

707
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: I am okay, I am okay, I'm okay. See I'm

708
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 3: okay with my deficiencies.

709
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: I am.

710
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 2: I love that about it, you know, Am.

711
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: It's because I see how they're used. Because when I

712
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: walk into a room and talk, I'm not gonna be

713
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: a pretty Christian. I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna slip the

714
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: same roars I shouldn't say. I'm gonna do things I

715
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: shouldn't do. Is because I'm you know, it's I don't

716
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: have that.

717
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: You know, it's so interesting. I look at an artist

718
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: like if you didn't start your career as a gospel artist.

719
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: But let's say you were a rapper first. Like I

720
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: look at look at somebody like DMX, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

721
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 2: DMX talk about God every conversation, you say, a prayer

722
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: at the concert. Nobody expected the DMX to be perfect.

723
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: Nobody because they knew the package that he was the

724
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: problem for you, sir, I get it. And you came

725
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: in the gate.

726
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, gospel, you didn't get the grade.

727
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: Yes, like a DMX is appreciate giving the same Yeah,

728
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: you better appreciate.

729
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: And I think by nature as humans, that's hypocritical. Yes,

730
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: it's because when you look and I know you know this,

731
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: when you look at these people in the Bible, they

732
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: were some real really crazy mess good people hears or amonger's, adulterous, thieves, killers.

733
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I'm saying, Like everybody that

734
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: we celebrate, Moses killed the dude, David had on, David

735
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: had his his side chicks, husband killed.

736
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: David had his side chicks, husband killed, and the Bible

737
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: calls him a man after God's so hard.

738
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Paul the dude, the WROLT

739
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: majority of the New Testament saying, young man, a lot

740
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: of this stuff from writing. I can't even keep it up,

741
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: and I can't even do the good I'm telling y'all

742
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: to do. I struggle. We're doing bad myself, and and

743
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: uh and and his letter to the Romans. So it's

744
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: almost like we as Christians read all of these people

745
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: in the Bible that have all these problems, but when

746
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: we see a real one in real life, were crucified.

747
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: M It's crazy to me. I wish I could have

748
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: let you like DMX, so that were you would have

749
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: started us.

750
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 3: So when my mixtape, when my mixtape came about, then

751
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 3: my son dropped, they would have been like, oh, Kirk

752
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 3: got a new album out.

753
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: They would have expected that working out. That's crazy work.

754
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 1: That is crazy work.

755
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: I know you don't like celebrating yourself, but since we

756
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: are talking about your icon status and this part of

757
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: your career, what do you Let's just say this, you

758
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: know the celebration, but what are you most proud of

759
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: in your career?

760
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: But I'm most proud of my career. Problems with my children.

761
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: That's not your career. That's your children.

762
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: So I can't get away with them, nor you ain't

763
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: you ain't let me do that.

764
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: No, of course you're most proud of me.

765
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: I think that probably what I'm most proud of is

766
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: that I never ever ever compromised my lyrical content. That

767
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: whatever I pulled up on a record and there's something.

768
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: People that have any ambiguity, you know, Okay, what is

769
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: he talking about?

770
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: You know? Is he being snick? Is it really a

771
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: woman is relationship?

772
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: No?

773
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you knew Kirk was always talking

774
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: about God. He was gonna say gee, he was gonna

775
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: like like, there was never a time in any of

776
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: these records, I mean stalled, you know, looking for you.

777
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: I smile, melic. Remember it is like every song, whether

778
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: they cost him or not, you knew what I was

779
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: talking about. You never had to question the lyrical message

780
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: that makes me, that makes me mind the dead. That

781
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: that I that I pursued such excellent production and and

782
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: and and musical art that I was able to say

783
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: things that are not always the most cultural acceptable is

784
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: because you could not deny.

785
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: How old were you when you when you found this gift?

786
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: Oh man, when I first started hearing that it was

787
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: a gift at five four or five six?

788
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: What just it?

789
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: Responsible people? People were always responding to me in really

790
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: big way.

791
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: So you're five years old than you're wife. You're preaching.

792
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: No, I'm playing the piano, I'm planning what I'm taking

793
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: songs like I'm taking Elton Jones, Ben in the Jets

794
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: and and just watch Right, and I'm remixing it for

795
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: the youth choir.

796
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: And then it goes, He's coming back. I know he's

797
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: coming back.

798
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: I know that Jesus See is coming. Boom boom boom

799
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: bom boom boom boom.

800
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: He said that he is coming back, and the kids

801
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: and church going. You know, like five six seven years old, Brook.

802
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: That was nineteen seventy seven, so I was like six

803
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: seven years old. Weeah, So at a young age, I

804
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: was getting attention, and that attention it's like, this is interesting.

805
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: I felt like love to you.

806
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: But it's the most unhealthiest form of love because you

807
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: learn how to be a human doing and never a

808
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: human being.

809
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 2: You want to cope here with some bars today, Yeah,

810
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 2: but if you have to have a if you have

811
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: to be serving some type of ego kind of or

812
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: not ego but self serving thing, at least you're even

813
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: if it's not even at worse right, and it's self serve.

814
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: Like's if it's self serving in a way where you're

815
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 2: like trying to do things because it makes you feel good.

816
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: It's like you're still serving people are still receiving something

817
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: good out of it. So how bad could that be?

818
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: Because you live forever the heabster of the widow, Uh huh,

819
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: you never get off that wheel. It's because one head

820
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: of that type of drug, the love of the people,

821
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: people that don't know you, people that are not going

822
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: to accept you in your worth stak, people that are

823
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: going to criticize the next record if they could see

824
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: that type of love is volatile. It's very volatile. It

825
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: is only transactional when they're getting something from it. And

826
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: so when you when you lean it to warning that

827
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: type of love, you're always having to perform the kidd,

828
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: So when was.

829
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: The person you've got thrue love? Is your wife?

830
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm quite sure my wife and there have been problems

831
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: others where you know, like I said, all the time,

832
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: you know, I he I had a history of having

833
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: really good people in my life. You know, my wife

834
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: is my wife is amazing, beautiful. But my wife is

835
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: not the first nice girl I dated. The nice sweetest

836
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: girl that I was.

837
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: Your wife wants to believe.

838
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I always I can't say that about

839
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: men she's dated.

840
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: I'm quite sure that I am quite sure that Terry

841
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 3: has dealt with my crazy behind, and she's probably thought

842
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 3: I probably should have stayed with Ricky Earl.

843
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: So so so I have had probably moments when people

844
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: wanted to show me real love. I just didn't know

845
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: how to respond to it. And even still now and

846
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: still you know, there's this thing that I've learned in

847
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: therapy called attachment discarder. Have you heard of it? No, well,

848
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: I've heard the word, but okay, I'll give it you

849
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: real quick. When a child is in those formative years

850
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: from one to six, a child expressing little boy should

851
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: be able to ant the breast of his mother and

852
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: connect to the breast of his mother, and be able

853
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: to connect when the child is not I get a

854
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: chest to lie at the breast of his mother. He

855
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 1: never grows up being attached to anything oof. The difference

856
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: between aborted children and adopted children is adopted children get

857
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: to live to know that they were.

858
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: Oh that makes me sad ish real think about it.

859
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 2: But you were chosen by somebody.

860
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: A lot of times foster kids can be tolerated. It's different.

861
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: It's different. It's different. And the sweet lady that adopted me,

862
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: I knew instinctively because of age difference. Think about it.

863
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: She adopted me at sixty four. I was four years old.

864
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: By the time she's seventy. I'm ten. Teme into the park.

865
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Well, I went to the movies.

866
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: We're not. I mean, she didn't do anything because of

867
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: her age. She went to church in the grocery store.

868
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: So I had to create life omm that was never

869
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: paid for.

870
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: It was a.

871
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: Let me ask them, let me ask what she loves you?

872
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 2: You know that is see you from my heart.

873
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: Now.

874
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would be interrupting my interview.

875
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: You don't know who this is? Woman?

876
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: Why is the way I'm so familiar?

877
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 3: Okay, let me keep talking. And if I keep talking,

878
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you one more chance to figure

879
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: got who I am?

880
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: Is this is this Kirk Frankly?

881
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I love you. I love you. I love

882
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: you too, queen. And we're in the middle of we're

883
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: in the middle of an interview. I'm sorry, and your

884
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: phone right, but you know we only asked it because

885
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: it was you.

886
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 3: I feel so blessed.

887
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: Okay, you tell me you love me one more time,

888
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: love me one more time. I love you.

889
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: You have no idea.

890
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm blessing.

891
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: Back. In fact, in fact, normally I would leave the

892
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: BC Awards a little bit early, but I hear you're closing.

893
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 3: The shows, and I gotta said a whole four hours.

894
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: I told you she loved you.

895
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: Now I have anxiety. I love you, queen, I love

896
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: you too.

897
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,959
Speaker 2: I'll call you back. So I'll call you in with that. Okay, okay,

898
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: so that I don't know why it rang. It was

899
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: off all day. That is so great? Are you shutting

900
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: my thing off? She love you talk?

901
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: That was fun.

902
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 2: You loved out here.

903
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: That's fun.

904
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: She knew it was you. That's so funny. Well we're

905
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: talking about for the interrupted us.

906
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it was good. It's been good.

907
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: Oh you are the attachment disorder? How do you explain

908
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: being able? Because marriage is hard? How do you how

909
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: did you become the man that could sustain and keep

910
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: a woman and keep a marriage intact for thirty years? Like?

911
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: How did you learn how to do that? What was

912
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: the pivot? What was this what was the thing?

913
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: Well, if if, if I can be very candid, yes, please.

914
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: My career.

915
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: Allowed me to often sometimes hide my deficiencies because I

916
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: was always busy and always gone and having tam and

917
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: I got married with kids already. Remember I had a

918
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: son before I met her, she had a daughter before

919
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: she met me. I adopted her daughter, so we always

920
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: had and so I've been able to.

921
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 3: Let's just say that God lovingly covered my deficiencies, just

922
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: the things I didn't have and didn't know. He just

923
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 3: loved me enough where he covered me and just gave

924
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: me grace. And I'm very grateful that he did, because

925
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: you know, you're not I mean, no man, it's proud

926
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: of his weakness. Is no man is proud of his deficiencies,

927
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 3: things that he may not be naturally good when he

928
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: wants to be, you know. I mean, imagine, you know,

929
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: spending the whole summer with Jordan.

930
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: Learned how to shoot threes and you never can still

931
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: shoot threes, you know, or me trying to learn how

932
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: to dunk with sha Quille. But because I'm five to four,

933
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: I never possessed the capacity of ever playing with big guys.

934
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: So a lot of times growing up and all these

935
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: traumatic things in your life. You to be surprised how

936
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: when you get on the court and you try to

937
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: play the games. It can be really depressing when you

938
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: see how other guys pull up and it's so easy

939
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: for them.

940
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna praise that question that's for you now

941
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: that I'll get it to know you better. What have

942
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: you done right as a husband?

943
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: H I hope that what I've done right as a

944
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: husband is I've tried to lead with my honesty, and

945
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: I've tried to find ways that I've tried to lean

946
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: in the areas that I found out there was strengths

947
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: and things that they loved, things that they loved.

948
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 3: I really tried to lean in, you know, like like

949
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 3: you know, the life of the party. No, and and

950
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 3: and they they would praise me, I believe for being

951
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 3: a provider.

952
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: Like my kids and my wife have never never had

953
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: to want to worry about a roof over their head.

954
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: They never had to worry. I mean, I'm proud, you

955
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: know my kids graduated from college with no debt. You know,

956
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: Tanment can go anywhere she wants to at any time,

957
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: and she knows I had a husband that will never

958
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: tell me no. I ain't never told my wife knowing

959
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: nothing whatever she want whatever. And I know that that

960
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: you know that that the tangible things may not mean

961
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: a lot to the people, But for me, I found

962
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: that this is the way I can make people smile.

963
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: So it's like I like to do, I like to

964
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: kill for them. I'm a giver that I like to

965
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: do and I like to give it. When I see

966
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: the smiles on their face, it just makes me want

967
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: to lean any more.

968
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 2: But you know, you said something, you said it kind

969
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: of like just like it was a small thing. But

970
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: leading with honesty in your marriage it's not a small thing.

971
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: It is a void in a lot of marriage, just

972
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 2: because it's the fall. And I think the disintegration of

973
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: a lot of marriages is that they don't mean with honesty,

974
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: is that they're hiding things they have living different, living

975
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: double lot different. You know. Just I think leading with

976
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: honesty is not a small thing. It's probably something if

977
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 2: you ever living that with your wife, you should probably

978
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 2: be proud of well.

979
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: And then you know, I also, well, won't always always

980
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: say also, Tammy, Tammy is an amazing human. She's an

981
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 1: amazing human, you know, Tammy would be an incredible human

982
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: without me, you know what I'm saying, Like, she's just

983
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: an amazing and I chose well. I leveled her and

984
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: and and and she she she has everything great about

985
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: our children. It's Tammy and my children are amazing humans.

986
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. Thirty years is no joke, Tam.

987
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: We got any Tammy in the chair. Tammy's gonna say

988
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: why you're a good husband. It's a credible a lot

989
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: of things. I see you maybe have a real hard

990
00:50:59,239 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: time with that.

991
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: Publish.

992
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, definitely. So we had Sarah Jake's on the show.

993
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: She's dope.

994
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: Have you spent time with her? She's so dope and fly, like,

995
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid to admit that she ain't perfect. Yeah,

996
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 2: there's some challenges and her no no, but she talks

997
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: about that that burden of being the you know, pastor's daughter. Yeah,

998
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: and at first not wanting to lean into that because

999
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: of the pressure and the expectations. I mean, you talked

1000
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 2: about it a little bit, but I'm just curious for you.

1001
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: Was there a moment in your career, a moment in

1002
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: your life where the weight of living up to what

1003
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: you've created became too much.

1004
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: For you that day. All still now, Yes, yes, yes,

1005
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 1: I've been I've been consistent. I have been a consistent

1006
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: patient therapy since I was in my twenties. Yeah, I'm

1007
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: a Christian that praise and she's a therapist.

1008
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: I know. I was this so interesting to Oh? Yeah

1009
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: man I I what do you credit therapy? What do

1010
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 2: you credit to therapy? Like fixing? What is therapy fixed

1011
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: in you?

1012
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: But therapy has done for me. It has helped give

1013
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: language to the why.

1014
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: Language is good?

1015
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: They just give it a language to the why why

1016
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: am I like this? Why do I process like this?

1017
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: Why am I deficient like this? Why am I not

1018
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: the best at this? And there's also allowed me to

1019
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: give us some language to Tammy.

1020
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 2: M hm so she can help understand.

1021
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: So she can. But the beautiful thing is a lot

1022
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: of it. She already knew, she already saw. You know,

1023
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, Tammy's Tammy's marriat to it. Ober creative, Angie,

1024
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm uber, Oh I know, I already know, Angie.

1025
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 3: I'll get out of the bed butt naked and sit

1026
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 3: on the piano at three o'clock in the morning or somewhere.

1027
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 3: If you come over to my house to sit on

1028
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 3: that bench, sit on that piano bench. I promise you

1029
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 3: you really are idea makes.

1030
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: You really haven't things?

1031
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: That's it on that piano bachhead in my house, because

1032
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: there ain't been nothing.

1033
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 2: But if you got another side, cheeks, you got another side,

1034
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: just cheeks. And what does your wife do when she

1035
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: wakes up and need button make it on the bench?

1036
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: Does go? Basically because it's just another day. It's just

1037
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: another day, so funny, you know. And again, man, you

1038
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: know I I it is. I do want to reiterate, though, Angie,

1039
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: I am far from perfect. I get it, far from perfect.

1040
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm not the perfect something right now. No, I just

1041
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: I just love the honesty of what Christianity I think

1042
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: has done to people. I think that we have done

1043
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: more at keeping people away than bringing them in. And

1044
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: sometimes all we have to say to them is be too.

1045
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: Do you know how many people feel so guilty and

1046
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: then worried? Oh my god, by the way you know

1047
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: now you feel I'm going though, do you still weren't

1048
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: going on?

1049
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 3: Oh?

1050
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: Listen to me. I was raised by a mother who

1051
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: went to Catholic school. I went to Catholic school till

1052
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: the third grade, and it was an ongoing conversation about guilt,

1053
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: guilt for everything. See, it's like the Catholic it's a term,

1054
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 2: the Catholic guilt. It's a real thing.

1055
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: It is a real thing. Yeah, and that.

1056
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely can push people out, yes and understand.

1057
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what you know. And see, I'm concerned.

1058
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about the future because think about it. You

1059
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: want to talk about legacy or something like that. I

1060
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: spent my whole life trying to do music to tell

1061
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 1: people about how done guy is right. And now I

1062
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: see a climate in society where people are not pursuing

1063
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: and thinking about God like they used to. That concerns me.

1064
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: I've spent my life trying to help.

1065
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: You called yourself the salesman.

1066
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: What was av.

1067
00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: Give me my.

1068
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: What's the last time you know somebody about some man?

1069
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: Like?

1070
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: No, that's my point. So it's almost like, okay, what

1071
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: is what is? What are some of the things that

1072
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: we're contributing to this causing people do not want to

1073
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: buy the wing no more.

1074
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: Like an encyclopedia salesman And they don't even mean it's

1075
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: like the Internet.

1076
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, showing them to the career with with you

1077
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: remember the suitcases they would carry It would be horrible.

1078
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: My pitch is this, Give me the pitch so that

1079
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: they know not amway, y'all God pitch. Here's the God pitch.

1080
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: Here's the God pitch. Man. I want to say to

1081
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: you that I am so sorry for the hypocrisy and

1082
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: the manipulation that you and I both know that we've

1083
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 1: seen that have been done to people in this country

1084
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: and has been weaponized with Christianity. I want to let

1085
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: you know that that's messed up. Whatever colloquialism you want

1086
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: to use for messed up, I'm going to I'm going

1087
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: to yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to say to it.

1088
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: And I want to let you know that if you're

1089
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: going through moment in your life right now and you've

1090
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 1: tried so many different things, drug, sex, whatever you wanted

1091
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: to try, and you still feel empty, I want to

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00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: let you know the religion can't fix that. Christians can't

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00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 1: fix that because none of us are perfect in that space.

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00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, bro, let me tell you I'm not perfect.

1095
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what I just did the other day.

1096
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: Let me tell you I just messed up the other day. Real.

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00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: Let you my God? He yeah, God's God's God's songwriter,

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00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: My boy, I just messed up, and I want to

1099
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: let you know that I have found that there is

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00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: a love that I can't mess up too much from

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00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: that won't love me the same way. And I'm here

1102
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: to tell you that if you think about it and

1103
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: you want to chop it up some more, that same

1104
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: love is available to you too.

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00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 3: Bro.

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00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, and I'll be rated to let you

1107
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: know every problem that I've ever had that I've seen

1108
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: that love come fix. Give it a chance. You ain't

1109
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: got to go to church, you ain't got to wart

1110
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: no suit tie, you ain't got to give no money.

1111
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: All you got to do is be you, because that's

1112
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: what God wants. He wants to real, authentic. You don't

1113
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: be like them, be like him.

1114
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 2: That's all you gotta do.

1115
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: That's all you gotta do. I'm gonna tell you why.

1116
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 1: It's because as a Christian, that's why Jesus came. Because

1117
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: Jesus did the rest, He did the hard work, so

1118
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: you can. So you can. All you got to do

1119
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: is accept and say yes. And if you jack them tomorrow,

1120
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: you gotta file these My tops are jacked up. And

1121
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: guess what you back in the backfuck You ain't got

1122
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: to save seventeen prayers. You ain't got to pray to

1123
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: that a saint. You ain't got to do this ritual. Now,

1124
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: all that was done by that, All that was done

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00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: by Hey, SU's Hey, Sue's stand dad, Hey Sue's stand dad.

1126
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: He did that for you. You can chill now. All

1127
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: you got to do is acknowledge that they Sue's did it.

1128
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: Appreciate him. You gotta appreciate him bye bye bye by

1129
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: giving him some bread. You know how you appreciate it

1130
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: by the next person you meet, tell them the same

1131
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: story and get them to know that they could come

1132
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: to the words the word, the word and pull up imperfect, imperfect?

1133
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: How did I do? Would you buy it?

1134
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: I would consider.

1135
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: You're preaching and that's whope. You're preaching to the converted

1136
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: or and that's home done. Yeah, and some you have

1137
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: to give more historical context. You have to give you know,

1138
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: maybe money.

1139
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: What about prayer?

1140
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: What about it?

1141
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: How important is that? How important is prayer in.

1142
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: The scheme of your relationship with God? It is very

1143
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: important first of all to deconstruct what most people think

1144
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: prayer is. What is prayer? Prayer is an ongoing, natural

1145
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: conversation between you and your creed. That's what prayer is

1146
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: at the stoplight, on the toilet, at the toilet, my

1147
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: God on the toilet.

1148
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny. Sometimes I'll be saying to prayer.

1149
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: I'll be like, I can't this, this is this is disrespectful.

1150
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: That's what webet.

1151
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: But that's why we got to deconstruct this thing. Yeah,

1152
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: it's because everybody has made it so of a world

1153
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: where they were supposed to be like drinking and breathing.

1154
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: Your relationship with Christ and with God should be like oxygen.

1155
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: It's just flowing from you. You never see you never

1156
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: see an apple tree having to strive to make apples.

1157
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: All you got to do is stay connected to the branch.

1158
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: If you stay connected to the branch, you're gonna automatically

1159
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: make apples. That's what it's supposed to be. How do

1160
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: you stay connected to the branch by staying connected? Hey man,

1161
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: just want to talk to this morning, pop. Thank you

1162
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: for another day. You know, I don't know what today holds,

1163
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: but you know, let's let's let's let's spend some time

1164
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: talking today. Love you be with me. I want to

1165
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: you know, and and and throughout the day you get

1166
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: that little knock. You know what I'm saying. We all

1167
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: get the long knock, or we just choose not to

1168
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: open the door. And when you get the knock, you

1169
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: know or lords, you will say thank you or or

1170
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: get the knock, thank you for telling me to buy

1171
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: so Soo's lunch. Yeah, that was that was that was

1172
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: that was that was. That's a good look. Yeah, you

1173
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Respond to that, you know what?

1174
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: Thank you telling me that to apologize, I show Mungo

1175
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: send the too, But she'd be getting on my nerves,

1176
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, those are the things that's really good.

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01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: On my nerves beginning.

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01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 2: You know, you got some in real life questions for you.

1180
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: Are you ready sir? Oh no, these are very easy

1181
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: at a scale of one to ten. How happy are

1182
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: you in real life right now?

1183
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: That's a good that It depends on what I'm doing

1184
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: right now right now with you. I'm happy.

1185
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 3: Here.

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01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: Will give me a number ten?

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01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 2: What do you operate normally? If you have to say,

1188
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 2: what's your number? Like?

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01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: On average? Oh, it can go from ten to two

1190
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: really and down.

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01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes you down.

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01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: Something something It can be you know, tragyies in life.

1193
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: It can be bull I see on TV. It can

1194
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: be bad news, it can be something happened with a

1195
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: family member, you know, just life. Life can be. But

1196
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: then life can also give me a ten.

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01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: So you're bouncing around out here.

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Speaker 1: I'm an artist, Hey enough saying right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah enough? Side in real life? What do you pray

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01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 2: for most?

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01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: I pray most for the gratitude of his acceptance of

1202
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: me in a light of him knowing all my imperfections.

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01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: I am blown away by the incredible grace that he

1204
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: that he gives me in the midst of the imperfect

1205
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: space that I existed as a man.

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01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: Your bars are so strong. What was the last time

1207
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 2: in your life that you cried from gratitude?

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01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: Last Wednesday? Really last Wednesday?

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01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 2: What happened.

1210
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: I was just sitting in the car and I was

1211
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: listening to one of my favorite preacher's name is Charles Stanley.

1212
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: He's dead, and I was to an old sermon that

1213
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: he was start about grace and about how how we

1214
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: can't we cannot out saying grace. That there's a scripture

1215
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: a bottle that says that we're saying increased grace, increased

1216
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: even more, man, Bro, can you imagine that? Can you

1217
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,439
Speaker 1: imagine that there's nothing that is a human we will

1218
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: ever do that will make God turn this back on us.

1219
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: Do you know how much relief in that stretch that

1220
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: takes off you, off of you, to know that there

1221
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: is nothing that you can ever do that can make

1222
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: you run out of God's love for you. Bro, You

1223
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: can sleep at night. You can sleep at night. And

1224
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: and and I was sitting in the parking lot of

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01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: my uh uh, my dermatologists, the total a lot of

1226
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: my dermatologists.

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01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 2: Of course you have you think this happens without so

1228
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 2: a little help.

1229
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: I had and I had an ingrown hair and your

1230
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: turn to look bump, and uh, I was having it

1231
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: and I was having to shoot it real quick. And

1232
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: I was finished up that sermon, and I was sitting

1233
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: on parton not of crime, just thinking, just just grateful

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01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 1: for grace.

1235
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 2: That's good. I'm motivated today. How important is money to you?

1236
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: Money is important? Money is important, very important.

1237
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 2: You said that you enjoy giving things.

1238
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, And it's important to get the message out.

1239
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: It's important to do things for people. It's it's important

1240
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: to to be able to understand its value. It's because

1241
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: if you don't understand its value, then you can't be

1242
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: trusted with it. So yeah, it's very important this question.

1243
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: Give it to me.

1244
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 2: It's a simple question. No, it's a really simple question.

1245
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 2: It's just what do you think your legacy will be?

1246
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 2: Do you think about your legacy more now?

1247
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,919
Speaker 1: And I think I hope And instead of thinking, okay,

1248
01:03:54,920 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: if I hope, I hope my legacy will be. Somebody

1249
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: tweeted something and I will we have time. So four

1250
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: days ago somebody tweeted this. Okay, now there are words

1251
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: in this that this individual was saying, and I'll show

1252
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: you the tweet so you know I'm not just trying

1253
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: to have an opportunity to say the words the longest

1254
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: say word. Before days ago, this guy said, Kirk Franklin,

1255
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: make that church look fun. I definitely would have been

1256
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: involved more if he was my youth pastor. He make

1257
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: it seem like you can be a church and a

1258
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: regularly at the same time.

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01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 2: That could bring it to the tea right now, That

1260
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 2: right there, that won't bring a tear out of here.

1261
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: And I saw it. That right there summarizes what I

1262
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: want my legacy to do. That right there, did you

1263
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 2: reply to this post. You know what, I did not

1264
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 2: need to at least put a heart on it, at

1265
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: least the heart. Well, I took the snapshot of it,

1266
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 2: so I'll have to go back. Oh you only have

1267
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 2: the snapshot, then you should go back. You should have

1268
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 2: on that vally changes life.

1269
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. Can you can you show my

1270
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: old behind how to do it.

1271
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 2: We're gonna show you Wenna.

1272
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: Show a senior citizen. But look at that?

1273
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 2: How nice that is? So he doesn't even know that

1274
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 2: you in your phone have a screeche said his name,

1275
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 2: so if he watches this, let's give it it's out at.

1276
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: His name is at money Power sp of course it's

1277
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: money Power s P. Yeah, what is SPV?

1278
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 2: I don't know SPVs? Okay, money power respect, I don't know.

1279
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: Like that's probly what it is. Yeah, keezy Keezy kesy

1280
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: at money Power sp mm hmm kurk frankly make that

1281
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: it look fun. I definitely would have been involved more

1282
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: if he was my youth pastor. He makes it seem

1283
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: like you could be a church in a regular at

1284
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: the same time.

1285
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 2: Poetry, come on, poetry that touched your heart?

1286
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: You see, I met I called him like, Okay, look

1287
01:05:59,120 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: at that.

1288
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 2: We came back to that full circle moment because we

1289
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 2: were talking about social media before and how evil lived.

1290
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 2: Look at how look at how that there too the

1291
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 2: connection with real connection. So he was connected by you.

1292
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: I felt connected to you and posted that you were

1293
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 2: so touched by it that you took a photo of

1294
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 2: it and kept it in your phone. He don't even

1295
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 2: know what he put on the like, So just it's

1296
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 2: a nice it's a beautiful it's a beautiful thing to see.

1297
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 2: That's a beautiful There can be goodness. It's a beautiful.

1298
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that.

1299
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 2: That was worth getting your phone for.

1300
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1301
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 2: Okay. My last two questions, sir, in a real life,

1302
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 2: in real life, how important? And what have you learned

1303
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 2: about forgiveness? And now I've heard you talk about go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I've learned that forgiveness is free, but trust is earned,

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01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: and they are not synonymous.

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01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 2: You've had to forgive a lot of your life.

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01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: Yes, forgive, but that's forgetting. It's the monster. It's then,

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01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: it is the monster, and it is a process. And

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01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: I think that people should not be demonized just because

1310
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: the process may be long for them. And it's okay,

1311
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: for you if the process is not as quick as others,

1312
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: don't don't let the person that is needing the forgiveness

1313
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: to try to rush you at a speed that you're

1314
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: not ready for.

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01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 2: You give it when you have it.

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01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: You give it when you have it.

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01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you, I know, you went through this thing

1318
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 2: with your father where you were like connected with him.

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01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 2: Was there a forgiveness in that too?

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01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: Oh well, he didn't know.

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01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 3: Just yea.

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01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: This was a few years ago that most of my

1323
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: life because I was adopted. The man I thought was

1324
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: my father he died in twenty seventeen. He was never

1325
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: in my life. Two years ago we just found out

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01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: that there was another man that was really my father.

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01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: But he didn't know.

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01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: Oh so it wasn't a choice that he made. It

1329
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 2: just he didn't know.

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Speaker 1: He didn't know. Wow, he didn't know. And he's a

1331
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: good dude. But the problem is I find with him

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01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: the same thing I found at home as a husband

1333
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: and father. It's hard to connect and he's done that

1334
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: and he wants it.

1335
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 3: Like like if you could he put me on his lap.

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01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 3: He like, sir, he said, bro, I can't get on

1337
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 3: your lap alls. You know, just meant you just met

1338
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 3: you halls. I can't get on your lap, bro, So

1339
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 3: you know, you know me me that that that that

1340
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 3: connecting thing is difficult for me.

1341
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 2: Did it free you of anything?

1342
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 3: Did it?

1343
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 2: Did it give you any peace or any type of

1344
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 2: if anything?

1345
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: I think it made things a little more complex because

1346
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: it put me back in touch with my biological mother.

1347
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: I had hadn't been in touch with her for twenty

1348
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: three years. She still denies it, even with two DNA tests,

1349
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: she still denies that this man as my father. So

1350
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: you know that's painful. So you know, it kind of

1351
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: opened up wounds that I didn't really want to have

1352
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: opened back up. And I'm trying to process it. And

1353
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 1: now I'll have this new interviews of my life. Who's

1354
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 1: a great guy. I just wore a lot of times

1355
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: with connection, I dude, that's.

1356
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 2: So weird because you connect with people all over the world.

1357
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 1: Just through It's through the thing that loved me first. Music.

1358
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,560
Speaker 1: Music was the first thing that told me it loved me.

1359
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: So that's what I know. That's my language. And I'm

1360
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: not proud of that. I'm not proud of that because

1361
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: this man or whether taming my kids or you know,

1362
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,600
Speaker 1: grandkids or they're just whatever, you know. I wish that

1363
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:29,600
Speaker 1: I could feel what other people feel. I do do,

1364
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 1: and I hate that. I it's almost like a ceiling.

1365
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 1: It's like a ceiling. And I've been in therapy and

1366
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: praying for many years, and.

1367
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 2: So have you made progress?

1368
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes? I think I have some? But but but there's

1369
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: sometimes I wonder you are a man who is.

1370
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 2: Sitting in the parking lot of the dermatologists in tears

1371
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 2: about grace over my life, but not in connection with

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01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 2: someone else.

1373
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, over my life.

1374
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 2: Could you not be brought to tears by I don't know,

1375
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 2: telling her, Telling you how much she loves you, or

1376
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 2: your one of your kids won't bring into tears my dad?

1377
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, that sound interesting. That's hurtful, right, Oh?

1378
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: It makes you feel less that, it makes you feel

1379
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: less of a human. It does. It can make you

1380
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: feel less of a human.

1381
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 2: How does someone someone watching this I'm sorry, yeah, that's good,

1382
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 2: and I mean it's not good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, How

1383
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 2: does someone watching this stop that from happening? Maybe somebody

1384
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 2: who's not hasn't been as hurt or as as have

1385
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 2: felt that as deeply as you, like a father, How

1386
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 2: does somebody break that cycle.

1387
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: Love your children, Love your children, and be honest with

1388
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,560
Speaker 1: your children. Be honest with your children. I think that

1389
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: people around you give you grace when you are truthful,

1390
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: when you're just honest about what you don't have. Like

1391
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: I remember saying something to one of my youngest selves

1392
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: because he was getting married, and he was getting married,

1393
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 1: and I shared some very honest things with him about

1394
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: my deficiencies, and I wanted to say and I said

1395
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 1: to him, I said, are you doing this because you

1396
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 1: feel pressured by the church. Are you feeling like this

1397
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: because you feel like you got to get because you know,

1398
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: the church, a lot of people get married because they

1399
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,640
Speaker 1: don't want to live in sin, and so, you know,

1400
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, like that that was part of my culture,

1401
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: that was part of my church culture. You know, you're

1402
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: getting married because you don't want to be living in

1403
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: fornication and sin. And so you know, a lot of

1404
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: people brought from being fortunicators and end up becoming adulterous

1405
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: because they were not ready to really do it without

1406
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: all of that in the place. You know, you should

1407
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: marriage of you shouldn't married because you think this is

1408
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: how I get right with God. You know, that's manipulation.

1409
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: And that's what a lot of times religion can do

1410
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: to people. It can manipulate them into things. And so

1411
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: I said to him, I said, why why do you

1412
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: want to get married? I needed to look at him

1413
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: in the face because I needed to know he felt

1414
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:06,839
Speaker 1: no pressure. And his answers were so beautiful, It's so honest.

1415
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, he's ready, and he's ready the

1416
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:14,799
Speaker 1: right way. My my, my youngest son. I would get anything.

1417
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 2: You admire him? Is it because of his ability to.

1418
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 1: Love just who he is. He's just an amazing hemn.

1419
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 2: He is.

1420
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: He is his mother's son.

1421
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:32,839
Speaker 2: That's beautiful.

1422
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: He is.

1423
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 2: I could sit here and talk to you, by the way,

1424
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 2: the rest of the day.

1425
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: Rate and then I'm just a fan, So that that

1426
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: makes it show super dope. You got people calling me,

1427
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: talking to people, and it's a good day, right, good day.

1428
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you've been on this road since five years

1429
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 2: old making music. You're talking to child, right, What do

1430
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 2: you know about God now this moment, this icon and

1431
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:01,600
Speaker 2: your icon and this many years in the game. What

1432
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 2: do you know about God now that you didn't know

1433
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 2: when we were starting your career in this room?

1434
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: I wish I would have known starting then that I've

1435
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: learned now is uh, is that he won't give up

1436
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: on me. When you have had abandoned issues and rejection issues,

1437
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: you a lot of times transfer that even in your faith,

1438
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: you know and you do a lot of stuff out

1439
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 1: of fear. And the fact of looking at my life

1440
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: now at fifty five and all the ups and downs

1441
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 1: and are taken God through, and the fact that that

1442
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 1: I found that he won't give up. That that that

1443
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: that that the story of faith and its purest forms

1444
01:13:56,360 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: is God made man, Man rejected God, and God won't

1445
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 1: stop chasing Ben until he wins. That's the story of faith.

1446
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: That's the story of Kurt. He never stopped chasing. That

1447
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: brings me to tears because that is in its purest form.

1448
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 2: Love. Yeah, thank you for today. What a special conversation.

1449
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 1: Tears, bro.

1450
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 2: He's an icon. I don't care what he says.