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Speaker 1: forty seven with Amy Wells. I'm Mike Keith. Amy. Good

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Speaker 1: to see you again as we wind towards the draft. Hello,

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Speaker 1: Mike Keith, how are you? I'm doing well and we

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Speaker 1: are so glad to bring in the dynamic draft duo

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Speaker 1: from Titans radio coach Dave McGinnis and Rhet Bryan. Welcome back, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, rich look at each other. I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: be nice. I want to make sure that you know

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Speaker 1: Coach Mack can jump right in there. You gotta give

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Speaker 1: him the Rocky Balbola line age before Beauty. Adrian, Adrian,

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Speaker 1: great to be here, very excited, always excited to talk

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Speaker 1: draft and the adrenaline is flowing for me. I mean,

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Speaker 1: here we go do this. I just love seeing everybody

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Speaker 1: in person again. It didn't nice, No, it's great. I

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Speaker 1: mean you know these I mean this is this is

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Speaker 1: a cool group and I miss cool groups. I like

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Speaker 1: being with cool groups. Ashley Farrell, You're also part of

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Speaker 1: that group. I know you can't say anything, but I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you're here too. She can say all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 1: We just want people to hear it. Okay. But Ashley Farrell,

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Speaker 1: for those who don't know, runs the show for us

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Speaker 1: and the good things that she does. Right, Brian, we

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Speaker 1: will be on Titan's radio starting at six Central on

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Speaker 1: Thursday night and Friday night all of the first round,

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Speaker 1: all of the second and the third round. And how

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Speaker 1: many radio stations outside of one oh four five zone

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Speaker 1: have picked it up? About another dozen stations along the

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Speaker 1: network and in Alabama in Tennessee. I mean, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: it's pretty pretty good stuff. We gotta get our Kentucky

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Speaker 1: sending out another email probably in the day or two

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Speaker 1: saying a reminder reminder. But yeah, I've had the couple

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Speaker 1: just kind of jump on, Hey, I hadn't forgotten you.

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Speaker 1: I'm we're in so but yeah, Memphis, Birmingham, Huntsville. Yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: People have grown to love the draft. Yes, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's really become a huge thing with our fan base,

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Speaker 1: and it should be I mean, it's it's a phenomenon nationwide.

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Speaker 1: It really is. I mean, look at what it has

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Speaker 1: started out, you know, especially you know when they're at

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Speaker 1: the Blackstone Hotel. They're in Chicago years ago, when everybody

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Speaker 1: was drafting off a street and Smith's magazine trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out who guys were. And it's a cottage industry now,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it really is. I mean, and it's it

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Speaker 1: is exciting, it's fun. The draft is about hope, but

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Speaker 1: the draft is also about an excitement, and especially nowadays

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Speaker 1: with free agency in the salary cap, you're going to

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Speaker 1: add new players constantly. So it's a very exciting time.

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Speaker 1: Before diving into draft, let's talk about some of the

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Speaker 1: rules things that the league did earlier this week. Maybe

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Speaker 1: the greatest thing Rhet Brian Owners eliminated pre seasoned overtime.

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Speaker 1: greatest modification of the rule book since slice bread became

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Speaker 1: a thing. It's the forward pass with my gosh, Holy Moses.

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Speaker 1: And this is completely unrelated, but when I think about

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Speaker 1: You know at lambeau Field in the lightning delay and

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter and it's the last preseason. Somebody scores, Somebody something, please,

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Speaker 1: This is fantastic. Should have been done a long time ago. Well,

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Speaker 1: But you're out of guys at that point. A lot

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Speaker 1: could kick. And I said, all right, go kick. So

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Speaker 1: you kick an extra point? He said, oh, oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: there's where it was. But he was kicking straight on right, No,

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Speaker 1: Mac with the story. This is why you listen to

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Speaker 1: the OTP. You got that right, Amy, Wow, that's unbelievable. No, no,

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Speaker 1: it's not unbelievable. It had happened. I would never lietv wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a great story. What's a true story.

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Speaker 1: a book. I will when I'm through with all this.

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Speaker 1: y'all will come out good in it. Speaking of kicking,

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Speaker 1: He was also a good punder well. He could really punt.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, the receiving team on kickoffs will

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Speaker 1: side kicks, sixty seven of them. How many were successful,

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Speaker 1: I'd say less than that. Okay, Coach Mack. Three is correct,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Coach Mack giving us the three here. It's

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Speaker 1: not a very visual medium, but I will tell you

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Speaker 1: that's what he said. Is this a better change, in

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Speaker 1: your opinion, Dave McGinnis than what was the quote unquote

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Speaker 1: gimmick of giving a team a fourth and fifteen chance

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Speaker 1: to keep the ball which was proposed and then table Absolutely, yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: kick it. You may not get any more than three

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Speaker 1: of sixty seven again, but at least numbers wise, you

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Speaker 1: have a better chance if it doesn't work. Would you

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Speaker 1: be more willing to accept the fourth and fifteen gimmick? No? No, Rhett,

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Speaker 1: you're a traditionalist. But I mean, honestly, outside of the

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Speaker 1: surprise on side, the onside kick is basically out of

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Speaker 1: a three three seven? Yeah? I think it was eleven

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Speaker 1: try sixty seven of them, though they did or sixty

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Speaker 1: seven of them. So these the special teams, coaches, and

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Speaker 1: you've seen the different ways they've schemed it up with

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Speaker 1: the watermelon kick, you know, and you know what Bones

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys when we were with the Rams, would do

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Speaker 1: jerseys from the league, at whatever price it is and

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00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: whatever's left out there, which is, However, if you wait

423
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: till next year, because those jerseys and things change all

424
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 1: the time, and that inventory has gone and it's old,

425
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: it's it's outdated, it will cost you nothing. In twenty

426
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 1: twenty two, Derrick Henry could say right now, I'm gonna

427
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: go back to two and it wouldn't cost him anything.

428
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: But if he did it for this year, he would

429
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: have to buy out and think about how many twenty

430
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: two jerseys there are? You know who I think may

431
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 1: do it? And I want to ask the expert, Dave McGinnis.

432
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 1: I think Jack Rabbit may do it. I think Generus

433
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: Jenkins because he's been a sign twenty but nobody's bought

434
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 1: any twenties yet, so they haven't mass produced them. He

435
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: could do it. Does he think about it? Knowing what

436
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: you know about Jack Rabbit? Jack Rabbit, I don't think

437
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: he's married to a numb But would he have the

438
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: mentality to do it and the thought process? Yes, yeah,

439
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: he absolutely would. But your answer was the best answer

440
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: because of this, because of the money it would cost.

441
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 1: You know, real guys. Now, some guys that don't have

442
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: a big inventory sitting in a warehouse someplace, they may change,

443
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: and not just to a single digit. They may want

444
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: to change their number because if you'll remember, I mean

445
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: the league went through number changes in seventy three, seventy four,

446
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 1: and I think the last one was eighty two. You know,

447
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 1: as far as adding more numbers, and the reason that

448
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: they started putting linebackers in the nineties was because more

449
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: people started playing thirty four defenses and they ran out

450
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: of fifties. Okay, And so I think there are some

451
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: that might change to a different double digit number that

452
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: don't have to buy out the inventory, because a lot

453
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: of times those guys that get those jerseys with unusual

454
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: numbers that end up making it and then they have

455
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: to have that number because you've got that number hosses

456
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: out of those other number that you can't assign. Those

457
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: are the guys that might change. But anybody that's got

458
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: big inventory out there, they're waiting until it's free. My

459
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: mind is blown. I'm just sitting here tabulating the numbers

460
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: of how expensive it would be for Derrick Henry to

461
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: change his jersey number. Yes, because astronomical. And you think

462
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: about this, because it's the NFL. They're not giving a

463
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: hometown discount. No, you're gonna hit that at two ninety

464
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: five pp or whatever it is. Yeah, I mean you're

465
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: gonna pay for it because that's it's retail, that's their

466
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 1: money first, that's yeah, and then then the teams get

467
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: a cut, right, and then the player gets a cut

468
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: and everybody that There are a lot of people who

469
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: get a cut of a jersey going to You're not

470
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: going to Costco or Sam's Wholesale Club and getting the deal. Nope,

471
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: you're getting that at team. You still like a guy

472
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: like Okay, Rashaun Evans, he was thirty at Alabama, wasn't.

473
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: I believe that's right? So would he want to go

474
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: back to thirty next year? Maybe? I think if you're

475
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: a young guy who was just kind of assigned to

476
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: Max point signed an ugly number. What's an ugly number?

477
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: There are definitely ugly numbers. Give me an ugly number.

478
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: Forty three, Well, that's retired and ugly. Don't have to

479
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: worry about it. You've never seen it here. No, I'm

480
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: just saying, there are some numbers that don't look great.

481
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: Eighty seven I don't love. Eighty seven doesn't look good,

482
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: not really. No, you've got to be the right of

483
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties numbers. You've got to be the right person.

484
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: But eighty eight looks good, eighty six looks fine, eighty seven.

485
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: There are some numbers that just don't look great. Eighty

486
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: four is a very good looking well, like like forty nine,

487
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: that's an ugly number. That's a horrible number. Yeah, forty

488
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,719
Speaker 1: nine is not great. See what's said about numbers. I

489
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: actually know what she's talking about. There's something that just

490
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: actually agree with her. But you're just letting her hang herself.

491
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm letting her do it because if I bring it up,

492
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: it's embarrassing. Going too that whole frable thing about uniforms

493
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: and numbers, and I get in trouble. I like gear.

494
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: I mean I admitted I like gear. I like gear

495
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: when I played a hundred years ago, and I like

496
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: it now. I like the cool shoes. I still I

497
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: love that all the tennis shoes are back, the Jordan's

498
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: and the stan Smiths and all the like. No, I

499
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: like there are all elements of an outfit right like it.

500
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: What more, in this area, teams are right now, for

501
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: the most part, not going to come in for OTAs,

502
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: and the union is stressing this. The players are pretty

503
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: much in solidarity, although like the Titans players statement is hey,

504
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: if a guy needs to go in to do his thing,

505
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: that's cool. You do what you want to do. But

506
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: they don't want to have to stay in town and

507
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: come in for practice and running around in shorts, and

508
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: the league seems to be acquiescing some much to the

509
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: chagrin of coaches and and general managers. But I think

510
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: everyone realizes that because of twenty twenty and what happened

511
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: and how the season went, that there was probably going

512
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: to be a change with COVID still in our world,

513
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: Coach mac, are the offseason programs as we've known them

514
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: now gone? Do you think? Yes, they're gone. Okay, they're gone,

515
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: and it's gonna it's gonna change and it's gonna evolve.

516
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: And last year, you know, proved some pretty big points

517
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: and it's it's hard for people that have been involved

518
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: in this for a long time to think because you know,

519
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: for a long time in coaching, and again I put

520
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: myself in that category because I coached for thirty one

521
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: straight years in this league. It was always more was better,

522
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: you know, the more, the more was better. You know.

523
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: We went twice a day in pads two days for

524
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: six weeks. I mean, there was a lot. It's it's

525
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: it's evolved and it's going to evolve even more. And

526
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: I think last year's success of this season with look

527
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: our football team that we love here the Tennessee Titans.

528
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: They went sixteen days without being together in the middle

529
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: of a season and walk through for three days and

530
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: be the playoff team in a football game that counted.

531
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: So there is a lot that has changed, and I

532
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: think that it's going to evolve even more. And so

533
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it's ever going back to what those

534
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: of us that have been involved with it for our

535
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: half our adult lives have known. Is that a good thing? Yeah?

536
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: I think it is. I think it is because the

537
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: empirical data that came back as far as the lessening

538
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 1: of injuries and the thing that's happened now Mike and

539
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: Amy and Rhett and Ashley, even though she can't talk

540
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: this can talk this this this to me. This to me.

541
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: You know when they started doing uh you know, all

542
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: of the GPS in the in the jerseys and you

543
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: started being able to get print outs daily. As a coach,

544
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been involved in this where you look

545
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: and you see as to whether a guy's used to

546
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: call it workload or how you know, his legs look

547
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: tired management And so to me, when you start getting

548
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: that type of data and you can you can then

549
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: take that and you can construct a practice for the

550
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 1: next day and take and take some guys down and

551
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: amp some guys up. Mike Vrabel does a tremendous job

552
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: of this. He's got a great feel for it. And

553
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: so all of these things are coming into because again

554
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: the National Football League as a head coach, the most

555
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: important thing for a head coach once the season starts,

556
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: other than you know the schematic XS and os and

557
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: is getting your best football team healthy to game day.

558
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: Getting your best football team healthy to game day. And

559
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: that best book football team changes weekly because of who's

560
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: available and who's not, and so it's your charge to

561
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: get the best available to game day every week. So

562
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: I think it's helps well. And we also have to

563
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: remember that guys, I think more than ever before, have

564
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: very specific regiments, workouts, recovery routines. They all have these

565
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: different things that they are investing their own time and

566
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: their own money in. And I think the more time

567
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: that a guy can stay with his trainer, can stay

568
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: with his offseason program, whatever it is, as long as

569
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: the guy's showing up healthy when it counts for training

570
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: camp and they are ready to go, I don't really

571
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: see any problem with that, especially with the technology the

572
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: way that it is where they can still get some

573
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: of that training and they can meet with their coaches

574
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: and do that in the appropriate time slots. They're still

575
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: getting some of the mental work, and yet they're sticking

576
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: to their own training. And I'm not saying that team

577
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: provided training plans and eating frands and all of that.

578
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: Those are great, and those trainers know their players, but

579
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: guys also have their own individual routines that maybe give

580
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: them a something a little bit different. They're able to

581
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: focus their skill set in a different way and what

582
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: it is they're really working on, and it's something that

583
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: they are going to take very seriously because they're investing

584
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: their own resources into it. So, Rett, Brian, do you

585
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: think it's possible that the OTAs become a template that

586
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: the teams are able to use for just young players

587
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: and that they don't do it with vested veterans. Instead,

588
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: the vested veterans come in for a week of mini

589
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: camp or a few days, but the OTAs as we

590
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: know them are for guys who are rookies up to

591
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: three or four years of service. I think it can

592
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: completely transition to that. When you're talking undrafted free agents

593
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: and certainly your draft class or first and second year

594
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: guys you've invited to a rookie mini camp. Slash Ota

595
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: to transition into that and use this as a modern

596
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: model going forward. I recently had a discussion with former

597
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: Steelers safety Ryan Clark who said he worked out West

598
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: with his trainer every offseason and did not come in

599
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: until it was really time too and he was getting

600
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: messages eighte come in, come in, come in, And he

601
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: said coach Tomlin would say he'd show him in front

602
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: of the team as a film example. I can tell

603
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: he's been working. I can tell he's been working. I

604
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: see his movements, his footwork, his speed. I'd see. So

605
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: there it's voluntary. You know, we know it's volunteering, right,

606
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: And then I think coach Mack hit the other nail

607
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: on the head is the reduction. And I don't remember

608
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: what the number was, but the reduction and missed time

609
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: would due to injury. It was a significant drop, I

610
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: think as a big catalyst in that. Let me just

611
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: say this, when I started out a while back, you know,

612
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty six when our vets, when our team left,

613
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: when I was with the Bears after the playoffs, we

614
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: never saw him again. Until after the draft. They we

615
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: had no offseason program. We had a universal machine in

616
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: the basement, but they were all gone on their own.

617
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: And so that's where the historic workout regimes of Walter

618
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: Payton and Mike's Singletary and Jerry Rice, all those guys

619
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: were on their own. They were all on their own

620
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: when we started this. Now that involved six weeks of

621
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: training camp because for the guys that weren't Walter Payton

622
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: and Mike Singletary and Jerry Rice, some of those guys

623
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: that hadn't been doing enough, then you had to get

624
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: them physically ready to play. That's why the training camps

625
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: were so long. That's not the case anymore. There's too

626
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: much money, there's too much competition and all you have

627
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: to do as a VET and the other thing about this,

628
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: I think it's important to know. And I'm all for

629
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: the you know, the vets, the vets doing this, but

630
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: they've got to understand this. If they're injured out there

631
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: on their own, then they're responsible, you know, you know

632
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: for that also, So I think I think a healthy

633
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: mix of them both is what we will get to.

634
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: But it's not something that has not happened before. Mike

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Speaker 1: because I experienced it when I first started in this

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Speaker 1: league thirty five years ago with a very successful team

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Speaker 1: for a long time, and we had no off season

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Speaker 1: for a coach. Dave McGinnis and Rhet Bryant and Amy Wells, I,

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Speaker 1: Mike Keith, we thank you for joining us, for the

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Speaker 1: oaths of the teams, where the legends go. Everybody knows

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Speaker 1: it's our house, Tennessee, making us to read cleanness is

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Speaker 1: meant to be ow. We got tighting butter running through

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Speaker 1: a VSE