1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Clubs. Are you ready for 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: a Break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that. 5 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 6 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 7 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, November third, two, twenty, season sixteen, episode 8 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: number fifty seven. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break. 9 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: We're life from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. 10 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: Got Nick here, got Amber here, got Dave here, and 11 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: we got a forty five minutes show to be able 12 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: to talk to you guys about the Cowboys. We're gonna 13 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: do some big picture um analysis of this team. It's 14 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: the midway point. Cowboys are two and six. The midway point. 15 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: I don't think any of us expected that going into 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: this season, but I'll have some questions for these guys 17 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: to kind of recap what's happened in the first half 18 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: of the season and to look forward not only at 19 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: the rest of the season, but going beyond that, and 20 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: how the Cowboys should be looking at their team at 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: this point. The deadline. Trade deadline happens today at three 22 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: pm around the NFL, but the Cowboys have already made 23 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: a trade for one Eli Ankou with Houston Dave. What 24 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: did they give up for him and what's the scouting 25 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: report on him? They gave up a seventh round pick 26 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, so it's not even this coming draft, 27 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: it's the next draft. You know, basically nothing. I mean, 28 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: who knows what they might get in compics in that 29 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: time frame. And it's also a seventh round pick. It's 30 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: not very valuable. So they they wanted a run stuffing 31 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: one technique, they don't really have one, and this allows 32 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: them to get it. Eli has been He's been on 33 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: and off of teams. He was just with the Texans, 34 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: but he was with the Colts at the start of 35 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: the season. I believe he spent training camp with the Browns. 36 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: He's kind of kicked around six three three thirty. Mike 37 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: McCarthy said it himself last night, like this is a 38 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: guy who can sit down an anchor. I think they 39 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: got him with an idea and trying to improve their 40 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: run defense. That's what he's here to do. Is he 41 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: a guy that immediately steps in Nick as the starter 42 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: or that looks like they got one of these, so probably, 43 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if he's ready to play, 44 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: you know, this game against Pittsburgh, but I would think 45 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: that after a bye week he would be. You know, 46 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: as Dave said, I mean that they need to somebody 47 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: to stop the run. There's guys are just getting you know, 48 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: blown off the ball, and they don't really have that guy. 49 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: They were hoping that, obviously Don Tarpeo would would be 50 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: there for them, and that didn't work out obviously. So yeah, 51 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: I think that he comes right in. I don't know 52 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: if he's got all the terminology and ready to play 53 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: almost every but and again those one techniques don't play 54 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: every snap, but I think he probably will step in 55 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: and contribute immediately. According to Stephen Jones, it doesn't look 56 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: like the Cowboys are going to be looking to do 57 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: much here before the trade deadline. Beyond that, his quote was, 58 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: I think we're basically in a mode that if something 59 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: came to us and made a lot of sense, then 60 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: we'd certainly look at it. I don't know that we're 61 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: aggressively out here right now, either trying to get somebody 62 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: or move somebody. What we want. What we want to 63 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: do right now is play some of these young guys 64 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: that we have, give them the reps that they need, 65 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: see what we have as we move through the rest 66 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: of the season. And but does it sound like to 67 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: you that they are basically, I guess relacable, way better 68 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: way to put it, that they're conceiving the rest of 69 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: the season and really looking forward to twenty twenty one. 70 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: And if so, is at the right approach. I think 71 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: it might sound like that given what we've seen from 72 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: the season. But usually when you look at what the 73 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: Cowboys normally do, they don't tend to make these kind 74 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: of traits. So it's just part of who they are, 75 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: and they usually like to stick to the guys that 76 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: they already have. Now this is a season that this 77 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: is the first time I would say that I actually 78 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: agree with that mentality, just given the fact that there's 79 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: just so many issues this year that I don't think 80 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: that a simple trade will change anything. So I do 81 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: think that this is the time to give this younger 82 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: guys some good game reps. And when you know, I've 83 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: been seeing on Twitter all these possible trades, you know, 84 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: you start talking about Michael Gallup Amari Cooper, even as 85 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: Ze Gil Elliott. And I'm not on board of making 86 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 1: any of those kinds of traits or trading any of 87 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: those guys. So as of right now, I am for 88 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: the whole idea of let these young guys play. You agree, Nick, Yeah, 89 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: I mean I think that they're going to go and 90 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: try to win games. I kind of think this is 91 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: this is going to be like a preseason mentality where 92 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: you try to win games, you're just not using all 93 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: of the resources that you have available. Um and and 94 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: that's probably not fair either. The healthy guys are gonna 95 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: are going to play, but I think when it's close, 96 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: you kind of defer to a younger guy here. But 97 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: you know they're gonna they're gonna still try to win. 98 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: I think there's value in winning games. I really do. 99 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: And so I think that, um, you know, I'm not 100 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: gonna be mad if they win a game. Now, the 101 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: fans will be, but to me, that's stupid. But if 102 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: if they think that it's you know, clearly better to have, 103 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: you know, the sixth pick over the ninth pick, I'd 104 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: rather win games. Personally, it doesn't sound like I mean, 105 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: it sounds like they aren't necessarily like winning games. It's important, 106 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: and I think Jerry said even on his call this 107 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: morning that with one or five out three, the fan 108 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: I think he was he was making talking about it 109 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: more from the standpoint of, Yeah, this doesn't have anything 110 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: to do with the players that are on the field, 111 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: the expectations. They're going to play hard, and we expect 112 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: them to play hard, and they will play hard. But 113 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: when you start thinking about it from the standpoint of 114 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: who's getting the playing time, you kind of opt more 115 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: toward letting the guys who you want to see from 116 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: a contract standpoint, guys you want to see because you 117 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: think they're young and they need their reps. That's not 118 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: necessarily leading toward, you know, giving your best opportunity to 119 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: win all the time. Are you saying that you would 120 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: opt for doing like keeping the best guy on the 121 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: field at the best moment at all moments to make 122 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: sure that you win, as opposed to maybe looking at 123 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: some younger talent. Yeah, yes, trying to win. I'm trying 124 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: to win games, that's what. Yeah, I would do that, Dave. 125 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been more frustrated by a 126 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: trade deadline than I am this year, and that's saying 127 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: a lot, because every year it gets frustrating, you know, 128 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: talking about this type of stuff, even though the trade 129 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: deadline just historically is not this crazy day and it 130 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: never really has been. I mean, there's more activity in 131 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: the last five years than before that, but it's still 132 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: it's not baseball. And what makes it frustrating for me 133 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: is like people people expect these grand movements when it's 134 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: really not. It's not necessary, Like the Cowboys don't need 135 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: to trade anybody away. They don't need to come out 136 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,239 Speaker 1: and say we're tanking, we're not winning any more games, 137 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: Like who who on earth does that in the first place? 138 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: In the NFL, Like nobody says that. But you also, 139 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: like you don't need to deal anybody away to know 140 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: that this team probably isn't gonna win a boatload more games, 141 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: Like you can just evaluate the guys that you have, 142 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: get some young players from playing time, play the good 143 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: players that you still do have, And I mean, what 144 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: do we think is the realistic ceiling for the number 145 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: of games they're probably gonna win the rest of the way, 146 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: Like six and ten seems like it would be a 147 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: fantastic effort in the second half. Guess what. That's what 148 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like six and ten is probably a best 149 00:07:54,680 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: case scenario, the more realistic, So they don't need to 150 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: do anything to tank. They're already compromised to the point 151 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: where it's not going to matter and you're up. You know. 152 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: Then on the other side of the coin, there's people 153 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: that are like, well, if you're not conceding the season, 154 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: go do something about it, Go get somebody like you 155 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: did with Amari Cooper. Why on earth would they want 156 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: to do that. They're not gonna go far even if 157 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: they make the playoffs. They don't have Dak, they don't 158 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: have an offensive line, their defense is historically bad. There 159 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: is not a trade that they could do to significantly 160 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: improve their fortunes, unless, you know, Kansas City for some 161 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: reason wanted to deal Pat Mahomes. It's not happening. So 162 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: I don't understand what people want them to do, like 163 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: they don't they as it is right now, this team 164 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: doesn't need to acquire anybody because they're not going to 165 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: accomplish their goal of winning the Super Bowl. They also 166 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: don't need to have a fire sale because it doesn't 167 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: make any sense to do so, So just shut up, Honestly, 168 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: like it's it's gonna be fine. The team, they're gonna 169 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: they're gonna fight hard, they're gonna win a few more games, 170 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: they're gonna have a nice draft pick. But like all 171 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: this handwringing about the trade deadline is so tiresome. Well, 172 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: let me ask you this, David, If that's where I'm at, 173 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: I get your point on that, But there are there 174 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: could be trades out there that maybe are not necessarily 175 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: about this year, right, I mean, that's the one. I 176 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: think it's it's kind of like we put him in 177 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: these two categories of it's all or nothing. Either you're 178 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: trading because you think you got a shot at the 179 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: super Bowl, or you're not trading because you don't. And 180 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: I think there's an in between. There could be players 181 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 1: out there that you look at and you say, if 182 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: an opportunity becomes available, this is a player that is 183 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: not just good for us for right now, which would 184 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: be a marginal change because it's probably not going to 185 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: change your fortunes this year, but he could be a 186 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: really nice piece for you in coming years. If you 187 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: trade for him now, you are not wrong. But like, 188 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: how many of those guys exist? Like how many? How 189 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: many players that can be building blocks for several years 190 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: that the team actually wants to get rid of them, Like, 191 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: it can't be more than three or four. Like a 192 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: perfect example is the Chargers put Desmond King on the 193 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: trade block yesterday. Tennessee only had to give up a 194 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: sixth round pick to get him, and people are like, 195 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: why can't the Cowboys do that? Well, he's only under 196 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: contract for eight more games, so you get eight games 197 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: out of him in a lost season before now you've 198 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: got to worry about paying him a longer term deal. 199 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: It makes sense for the Tennessee Titans because they're gearing 200 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: up to make a playoff push. This team's not. And 201 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm only I would only be interested in 202 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: doing a trade if it was for a guy that 203 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: had several years left on his deal. If the purported 204 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: Quinnin Williams trade was really a reality, sign me up. 205 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: But I never like that. That was never gonna happen. 206 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: Guys like that don't get traded. Doesn't even I don't 207 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: disagree with you, I just don't think those those players 208 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: are They're very few, and Fron doesn't make sense for 209 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: the Chargers because they're going to get a better compensatory 210 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: pick if he goes and signed somewhere else instead of 211 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: trading him, trading him for a sixth round pick. I'd 212 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: like to think you get a better compensatory if he 213 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: goes somewhere and plays well. Yeah. So, now so the 214 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: Titans give a sixth maybe they sign them, maybe they don't. 215 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: They probably get a better deal out of it, and 216 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: and and help and have a better player down the 217 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: stretch because they're making a playoff run. Yeah, so there's 218 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: Dave's right, there's there's not a lot of situations that 219 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: are that, you know, like the Raiders said, all right, 220 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna get rid of Amari Cooper, you know, because 221 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: they were trying to get rid of some good players 222 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: and try to stockpile some picks and stuff like that. 223 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: But Cowboys wouldn't dare apart with a high pick this year. 224 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: You don't know how good it's gonna be. 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It is 264 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: the final set, I mean, in second segment of the 265 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: Break life from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star 266 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: and we're going to do a little midyear reviewing here 267 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: of this Cowboys team. They are two and six at 268 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: the halfway point. Again, as I said at the beginning 269 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: of the show. I don't think any of us, and 270 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: I certainly will speak for myself. I had no There 271 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: was no way anybody would have convinced me when the 272 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: season was beginning that would get to the midway point 273 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: and the Cowboys would be two and six. But that's 274 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: where they are, and they are what they are at 275 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: this point. They are a bad team, and there's not 276 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: really a lot that you can salvage from that from 277 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: the standpoint of wins. There are some things though, that 278 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: they can look at down the stretching ways to maybe 279 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: get this culture changed and maybe get more familiar with 280 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: the coach and the coach trying to figure out what 281 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: he can do with this team to get him back 282 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: on a winning path heading into next year. So here's 283 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna do. I have a list of questions here. 284 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to run through the questions, and you guys 285 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: are going to give answers. Everybody will give an answer 286 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: for each question. Question Number One, position most in need 287 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: of a postseason makeover, and this is top to bottom, 288 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: the whole position, Like, there may be a guy you 289 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: want to keep, but what position has the biggest need 290 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: for multiple parts? Does that make sense, here are the 291 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: ones I'll give you, cornerback, offensive line, line back, or 292 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Let's start first with you, Dave. I think 293 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: the easy answer is cornerback, and I mean that's just 294 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: the reality of the situation is you're gonna turn the 295 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: vast majority of that over. You know, Ab and Trayvon 296 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: Diggs are the only guys with long term futures here. 297 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: But I don't want to cop out because I think 298 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: the more important answers linebackers. That's the biggest problem to 299 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: sort out. You know, I don't want to hate too 300 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: much on Layton vander esh I thought he played pretty 301 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: well the other night. He's still coming back from injury. 302 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: But as it stands right now, they got to figure 303 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: out what they want to do with Jalen Smith. They 304 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: either got to figure out how to make him a 305 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: more viable player or figure out how to get out 306 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: from under that contract. Obviously, you assume Sean Lee and 307 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: Joe Thomas aren't going to play forever, so they got 308 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: a lot of big decisions to make their for sure, Amber, 309 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: this is a tough one because I mean, you can 310 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: are you every single one of those positions, But I 311 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: think I would go with this secondary, either cornerback or safety, 312 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: I mean those positions. Last game, yes, there were some 313 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: good plays here and there, but just in general overall 314 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: looking at the season so far, that position has just 315 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: been constantly terrible. There has been so many bad coverage, 316 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: bad huge separation between the corners and the receivers that 317 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: it's just absolutely unacceptable. And then this is an area 318 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: where we have talked about all off season and clearly 319 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: just didn't work out with the Cowboys giving these bringing 320 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: and sticking with the younger guys and all that. So 321 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: this is a position that just absolutely needs help, whether 322 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: it's coaching or the player, the talent itself. It just 323 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: needs an absolutely shaken up and brings some help there. Yeah, 324 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: I like the safety position. You didn't mention that, but 325 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: I think safety is one that you know, I don't see. 326 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: I don't really see Xavier Woods coming back maybe, but 327 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: I just you gotta get somebody better there. It like 328 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson are like how he's playing, Um, you don't 329 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: really see a lot of You don't really see a 330 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: lot of him on tape for negative things. He's making 331 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: some some some nice plays, but you don't really see 332 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: a whole lot of others. So I like that there. 333 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I think the secondaries the issue 334 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: to me because I Layton's going to be there at linebacker. 335 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: I think Jalen will be there at linebacker, now I do. 336 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I know he might. Don't think the money 337 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: makes sense. I'm not going to get rid of him 338 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: for nothing. I don't know. I just I wouldn't do that, 339 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: not this year, now the next, I mean after this season, 340 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: but the next season. Maybe I don't know what a 341 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: wash really does for your team, but I look at 342 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: it like this Nick on the linebacker. The money make 343 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: may make me make the decision as to who's on 344 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: my team, it doesn't make me make the decision on 345 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: who's playing. Okay, And for that reason, I think if 346 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm the Cowboys, there's no way possible I'm going into 347 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: next season with Jalen penciled in as a starter linebacker 348 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: for me. Now, he might be a guy that comes 349 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: in and plays if somebody gets hurt, which having Layton, 350 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: that's a real possibility, right. But I do think that 351 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: when you look at at what Jalen Smith has done, 352 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: what he used to put on film the last few years, 353 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: Like I just don't think that would be prudent for 354 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: the Cowboys to go into the season expecting him to 355 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: be their starter. He is just not playing at the 356 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: level that you need a starting linebacker in the NFL 357 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: to play. And I guess to go back to your 358 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: point about the safety position, I agree with you. I 359 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: think Donovan Wilson, I think he might actually have some 360 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: whereas well. I could see him staying a little bit long. 361 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: I could see him being a starting safety here next year. 362 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,239 Speaker 1: I agree with you on Woods though, And so that's 363 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: why I didn't really go that one out is because 364 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm thinking that's not really a makeover. I think there's 365 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: one position there it's up for grab. I think Donovan 366 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: Wilson will be a starting safety for your team next year. 367 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: You agree with that on Donald Wilson, Yes, And then 368 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: I'll take that point to linebacker and say, I think 369 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: one of the linebacker spots is going to be there 370 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: with Layton vander esh So, you know, I look at 371 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: it like you know, Jalen, I think be there too. 372 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: He's just gonna have to draft a guy and hope 373 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: he's good. You have to draft the guy in the 374 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: third or fourth round maybe, and hope that he's good 375 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: like Anthony Hitchins and say maybe he's he's better, But 376 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: I personally think if you've got two defensive tackles that 377 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: were actually good and couldn't get moved off the ball, 378 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: I think Jalen Smith would be a much better player. 379 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: I really do. There's a reason he made the Pro Bowl. 380 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: It's not just because he plays for the Cowboys. He 381 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: made the Pro Bowl because he can make some plays. 382 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: I just think he needs a little bit better help 383 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: in front of him, and I think that that some 384 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: of that is true. I think the part I have 385 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: a problem with, though, is he just doesn't run in 386 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: the way that I need my linebacker to run, right. 387 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: I mean, there are situations where he has an opportunity 388 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: to get to the ball character there's no defender in 389 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: his way, and he just doesn't have the speed to 390 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: get there. And that's where I look at at Jalen 391 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: certain I'm just like, I don't know if it's his 392 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: ankle or not. All I know is he's not He's 393 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: not capable from what I've seen consistently, of doing the 394 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: job that you need your linebackers to be able to do. 395 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: And that makes me a little bit, you know, sour 396 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,719 Speaker 1: on having him be a starter next year. Let's move 397 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: want to next question. Didn't he go ahead? Didn't he 398 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: make the Didn't he make the Pro Bowl as a backup? 399 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: I mean it's still the Pro Bowl? Yeah, but not 400 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: as a backup. But he was like the fifth alternative 401 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: or whatever, like, yeah, one of the alternatives. He was 402 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,719 Speaker 1: way down. They it took them a while to call him. 403 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. So I'm just saying, I'm 404 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: just saying it was I'm not gonna take that away. 405 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: But you know, let me ask you this, how many 406 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: calls is it going to have to make a few 407 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: guys off first? But I'm just saying, how many guys 408 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: is it? How many? How many phone calls is it 409 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: gonna take to get a defensive player in the Pro 410 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: Bowl this year? Like, yeah, nobody on this team makes 411 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl offense or defense. That's true. Yeah, who's 412 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: making the Pro Bowl? No? True? Yeah, Zach Martin. That's 413 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: gonna be Zack Zach. Yeah, Zach will make it. Yeah, 414 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: he's missed one. Zach will make it. And they didn't 415 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: know about that. Honestly, I think no, he will just 416 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: because offensive line is all about reputation, and you know, 417 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: I think you know, people know who he is. His 418 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: tape is still good. By the time the season's over, 419 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: maybe he'll play some more tackle we can get to that. 420 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think Zach will make it. 421 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: Um the interesting, Jalen's gonna be interesting. Jalen's gonna be 422 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: interesting because he leads the league in tackles right now. 423 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: He leads the league in tackles, which means absolutely nothing. 424 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: It means absolutely nothing. But the Pro Bowl is very stupid, 425 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: Like the way that people decide on who gets into 426 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl is ridiculous. So I will be uh, 427 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: I will be intrigued to see, like stats first tape, 428 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: you know what works in Jalen Smith's favor or not 429 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: because they're not playing lead the league in tackles some 430 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: well yeah, that's true to but you know that's gonna matters, 431 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: but they're not playing the game yeah this year? Yeah, 432 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: which good. Let's go out to the next question. Um, 433 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: if you had to trade one wide if you had 434 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: to trade one wide receiver to get draft capital to 435 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: fix another area of the team, who would it be 436 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: and why? Obviously your your choices, and I don't want 437 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: to go to the depth. Guys. I'm thinking about your 438 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: top three Amari, Cooper, Ceedee Lamb, and Michael Gallup. Let's 439 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: start first with Unick Michael Gallup. I'll trade him. I mean, 440 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,719 Speaker 1: because I keep my two best guys. I still think 441 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: I can get some value there. Um, you didn't mention 442 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: anything about money, so you're just talking about I mean 443 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: this contract. Yeah, it's money money in fact. Yeah, I 444 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: mean if you can, if you can get rid of 445 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,719 Speaker 1: the contract. I mean, I don't know this next year, 446 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: it might be kind of hard to get out from 447 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: the the Amari deal. But um, you know, I think 448 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: Gallups is a good player that needs some some good 449 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: guys around him. Um, I don't see Michael Gallup being 450 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: a real number one type guy. But um, you could 451 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: get by with Lamb and Gallop. But I think I 452 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: think the best the best guys you've got is Cooper 453 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: and Lamb, So I would probably trade him. See what 454 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: I could get for him Amber if if I was 455 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: doing that. I don't need to do that, though. Yeah, 456 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm saying you have to. I'm saying if you wanted to, 457 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: if you wanted to look at this team and say Okay, 458 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: we got a lot of areas we gotta fix. What's 459 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: an area where we felt we have a lot of 460 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: extra where we can maybe leverage some of that to 461 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: get some some picks. Yeah, great, amble Um. I'm gonna 462 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: have to take out the money part in the equation 463 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: because that's not my area of expertise when he comes 464 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: to contract and money. So just based on merely the 465 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: what they've done so far, I would say, Mr Cooper, 466 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: I mean, I love the guy. He's a very talented player, 467 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: and he can definitely make some place. But this year 468 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: and including last year, I mean, you know, we always 469 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: talked about the games that he was good and then 470 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: the away games where he just didn't bring it. But 471 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: this year, I honestly have not seen much from him, 472 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: and it's like every game we just see less and 473 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: less And it's not his fault or anything, but at 474 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: the same time, I just feel like I'm not getting 475 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: much out of it. And yes, good player, talented player, bud, 476 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: if it's not producing, if it's not producing on the field, 477 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: then I'm gonna have to say bye and just take 478 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: advantage of these younger guys that have shown talent as well. 479 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: In the ability to make plays. Dave, I refuse. You 480 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: can't make me. You cannot make me answer this question 481 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: because I think it's terrible. And this kind of goes 482 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: back to my point. No, I see your face and 483 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: I don't care. This goes back to my point about 484 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: people overreacting to the trade deadline like this is such 485 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: a knee jerk reaction. The Cowboys don't have their quarterback, 486 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: and the quarterbacks that are left don't have an offensive line. 487 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: Of course, the offense is going to look terrible, that 488 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: is a given. But think about where this team is headed. 489 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: They're probably gonna pick in the top ten, so they're 490 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: gonna have four picks inside the top one hundred. They're 491 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: gonna get a comp three for Byron Jones, They're gonna 492 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: get a cop four for Robert Quinn. They're gonna pick 493 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: six times in the first one hundred and thirty hundred 494 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: and forty picks. That's all the ammunition you need to 495 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: improve your team via the draft. So why am I 496 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,479 Speaker 1: dealing away Michael Galloper or Marii Cooper when my Pro 497 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: Bowl quarterback will be back next year to throw them 498 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: the ball. And my offense, by the way, is still 499 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: going to be my best bet at being successful. It's 500 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: a knee jerk reaction to think you need to take 501 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: talent off of this team because they're struggling right now. 502 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: There's no chance in hell I would deal any of 503 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: the three of them. Sorry, if I'm not playing along, 504 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: that's me leaning his way, Derek. Sorry, I agree. Okay, yeah, okay, No, 505 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: I mean like, I get it, I get it. We're 506 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: doing to share on Tuesday on a bad football team. 507 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: I get it, we're trying to play on I understand that. 508 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: But but makes good points. Don't you think it's important 509 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: to flesh out the other side of that? Like again, 510 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: like the team's bad and we got to talk about it, 511 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: and we got eight more weeks to get through it. 512 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: But don't blow up the good things about your team, 513 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: because this season's not going the way that you want 514 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: to know. But here's the point. Here's the point. Here's 515 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 1: the point that's not blowing up the team that is. Wait, 516 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: I'll put it to you like this, The most memorable 517 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: trade the Cowboys have ever had in the history of 518 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: their franchise was this kind of move. You say, I 519 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: have a bad team, I have what is the area 520 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: where I have a really good player an area where 521 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,479 Speaker 1: I can take that really good player and I can 522 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: leverage that into more that can help my team get 523 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: better faster. And that's the question. The question is, and 524 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm not assuming that you guys are making this. I'm 525 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: saying if the people that are making decision in the 526 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: building decided, hey, this is an opportunity for us to 527 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: take an area that we think of as a real 528 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: strength where we have extra parts and turn that into 529 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 1: value that we can use in other areas, which, by 530 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: the way, we could probably list right now. We could 531 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: probably list five or six different positions where the Cowboys 532 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: need I'm talking absolutely need to upgrade this offseason. And 533 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: if they say, if that can give us value to 534 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: be able to do that, to be able to make 535 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: our ascension faster, then who would be that guy that 536 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: you would want to trade? You know, I think it 537 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: all comes down to one player, and that's Cedric Wilson. 538 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: If Cedric Wilson has shown this team that he is 539 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: capable of being a third receiver, which he has done, 540 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: He's shown some flashes of that before. He's more of 541 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: a receiver than he is a passer, I think, and 542 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: a reverse guy and all that kind of stuff, I 543 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: think if I think that actually shows, Okay, now we 544 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: have four receivers that we really like, and maybe we 545 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: could trade somebody away. From that standpoint, I still, to 546 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: me would be Gallup if I had to do that. 547 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: But I agree with Dave. I like what I've got 548 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: on offense there, and I just have to think that 549 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: I'll get better on defense to free agency in the draft, 550 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: mainly to the drafts real quick. The other another thing 551 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: I think you need to point out is, and it 552 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: gets talked about a lot, is you know, choosing between 553 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: Gallup and Cooper. Stop trying to create problems for yourself 554 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: ahead of time because you know everybody's like, well, you 555 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: can't pay them all. You can't pay them all. That's fine. 556 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: Gallup has a season and a half left on his 557 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: Cooper's guid teaser done at the end of the twenty 558 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: any one season, you don't have to make that choice 559 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: ahead of time. You could get you can get away 560 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: from the Amar contract in the same year that Gallup 561 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: needs a new deal. You don't have to make that 562 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: choice right now. And if there's anything I've learned this season, 563 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: it's you really can't afford to look more than like 564 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: a few months ahead of time in the NFL, because 565 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: two years from now, who on earth knows. Yeah, But 566 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: what you also just said a little bit earlier. What 567 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: you said a little bit earlier is you, as a 568 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: person that would be talking about trade options, would not 569 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: be looking at trade for somebody in the final year 570 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: of their deal. So the value if you were going 571 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: to continue consider maybe getting value out of one of 572 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: those two guys, would be right now. It wouldn't be 573 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: next year. Oh yeah, no, no, absolutely, I'm not ever. 574 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna deal either one of them. I'm gonna 575 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: play them for the I'm gonna play them for the 576 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: next year and a half. 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No, no, no, let me make sure I 631 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: got you got the question right. You're saying he's better 632 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: than what you thought Blake Jarwin would be. Oh no, okay, 633 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: that's why I'm asking. I'm saying, based upon the expectations 634 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: for Blake Jarwin, Dalton has been better than that, the 635 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: same as that, or worse, I would say worse, worse. 636 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say worse because Blake Jarwin is a guy 637 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: that I absolutely expected him to have a killer season. 638 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: Unfortunately it didn't work out. I think he only got 639 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: to play a couple of plays or one and then 640 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: got injured. But everything that I saw from him at 641 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: training camp, what I was seeing from him last year 642 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: when he was given the opportunity to be on the field, 643 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: it just everything pointed upwards, and I was really excited 644 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: to what he could possibly do. As far as Dalton Sholes. 645 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: He was a guy that I was ready to say 646 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: bye to cut him straight away, but definitely impressed me. 647 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: And he has been able to make it and make 648 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: it work on the field and do a lot better 649 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: than I personally expected. Now to say he's been better 650 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: than my expectations for Blake Jarwin, absolutely not, but I 651 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: think he's been able to at least handle the job 652 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: and make some really good plays for the Cowboys at 653 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: a time that they really needed a tight end to 654 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: make plays. Dave. If you look at the production, I 655 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: would say it's pretty similar. You know. I'm sorry. Schultz 656 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: is on pace for like seven hundred yards and four 657 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: or five touchdowns, which when you think about all the 658 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: other elements of this offense, that's probably what I thought 659 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: for Jarwin. But I think my expectations were for Jarwin. 660 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: We're higher because I just I see him as a 661 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: guy that can stretch the field. You think about the 662 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: plays he's made down the seams with Dak, I saw 663 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: a lot of that, so I you know, I saw 664 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: him being more of a big play guy. So I 665 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: think Jarwin. My expectations are still higher, but I'm so 666 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: impressed by what I've seen from Schultz, which I said 667 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: this the other night, like that is, you know, if 668 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: you're looking for something to be happy about for this season, 669 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: that's definitely one of them. Like, you know, we're sitting 670 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: here talking about next season and all this stuff they 671 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: gotta fix. I don't think they need to draft a 672 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: tight end, at least not super high. I'm sky high 673 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: on Jarwin even still. And Schultz looks like a badass. 674 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: So you give me those two guys and you know, 675 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: throw in a third guy. You don't even have to 676 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: draft one, Like I feel pretty solid about that position. 677 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, nick Um, this is about 678 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: the same because when they look at what I expected 679 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: at a Jarwin, I would have if you would have 680 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: said sixty two catches, I would have been like, that's 681 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 1: that's probably pretty good there for all the other receivers 682 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: and Zeke getting the ball. Sixty two catches, so he's 683 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: at thirty one right now. That's that's about what I thought. Now, 684 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: maybe maybe a higher average down the field a little 685 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: bit more because he you know, he can stretch to 686 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: feel more than than Schultz. I think the one thing 687 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: that I'm forgetting I think people forget about, though, is 688 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: is that you know, you just don't have that complete 689 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: tight end, that guy that is on the line that 690 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: can help you as a blocker and also can go 691 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: down the field and make those catches. You know, he's 692 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: still I still think blocking is an issue for all 693 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: the time, and so UM I would maybe draft one 694 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: if there was a you know, he had a good situation. 695 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: But you know, it's been good. I mean, he's been 696 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: better than I thought. Schultz has been better than I 697 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: thought he would be. But but I but I think 698 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: this this production is about what I thought the starting 699 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: tight end would get give. You do you think that 700 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 1: the blocking would have been better with Um with Jarwin 701 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: than with Schultz and Blake Bell? Uh? I think? Yeah? 702 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: I think Jarwin and Blake Bell are better blockers than 703 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: Schultz and Blake Bell. Yeah. I don't think Schultz is 704 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: a good blocker. I don't either, But ultimately I don't. 705 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: I don't know that I think that Blake is a 706 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: great block No, I no, I don't, And I agree 707 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: with you. I think I think they don't have a 708 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: good block. They haven't had a good blocking tight end 709 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: really for I mean, I mean maybe the first five 710 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: or six years of Jason Witten's squere he was he 711 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: was okay at it, but then he kind of I 712 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: mean he struggled there a little bit. He knew how 713 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: to get in the way, and that's what a good 714 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: tight end, you know. I think he's taught those guys 715 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: how to do it, but they get you know, you 716 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: can't just match them up with a defensive end sometime. 717 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,959 Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna get through around. Yeah. They played 718 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: twelve personnel quite a bit of the game last week, 719 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: probably more than I've seen them playing since McCarty's been here. 720 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: Um and and even with them playing twelve personnel, they 721 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: were still not being able to slow down that that 722 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: front all the time, even when they had those extra 723 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: tight ends staying back to blocks. So yeah, I don't 724 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if they got a good blocking tight 725 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: end right now. And for that reason, I do think 726 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: there's still a lot left to be gained. I do 727 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: think Schultz is well ahead of what I thought he 728 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: would be when when I when when we first heard 729 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: that Blake Jarwin was going down. That's one of the 730 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: next question with all that's happened. You know what. Yeah, 731 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: I know, I know, training camp it's very difficult to 732 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: fully judge because it's training camp. But I kept my 733 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: eyes on Blake jar when this training camp, and he 734 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: did make some really impressive blocks during practices. And yes, 735 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: it wasn't a real game or anything, but it was 736 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: impressive enough for me to at least be excited as 737 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: to thinking or expecting a tight end position to have 738 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: a better blocker this year. He clearly didn't work out, 739 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: but I felt like I saw some type of improvement 740 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: at least during training camp compared to what we've seen 741 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: from Blake Jarwin in previous years. So maybe that's an 742 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: area that he was improving. Maybe, and I guess we 743 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: won't have a chance to find it out till we 744 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: get to next year. But maybe he's blocking guys on 745 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,879 Speaker 1: a defense that can't get off blocks. Good point. I mean, 746 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: I know all we could go off. All we could 747 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: go off is trading camp. But I'm just saying, boy, 748 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 1: I sat there with all you guys like, man, it's 749 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,879 Speaker 1: gonna be a party at the quarterback all Smith over here, 750 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: Dal all over here. Yeah, it wasn't quite because Terrence 751 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: Steele I mean, yeah, it wasn't just Steel, I mean 752 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,439 Speaker 1: it was there was some everybody. I mean, you didn't 753 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,879 Speaker 1: have your two I mean, well you didn't have Yeah, 754 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: you didn't have those guys that you would that you 755 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: were expecting you were going to have once the season 756 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: got here, and it just it showed. I think the 757 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 1: biggest theme of the whole year is that other than 758 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: maybe tight end, everybody else every key injury they've had, 759 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: they've had multiple at that position. It's not just Cheeto. 760 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: It was Cheeto and Anthony Brown. It's not just you know, 761 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: the one left tackle, it's the right tackle and the 762 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: backup tackle. And now it's not just the quarterback, it's 763 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: the backup quarterback. Everybody that's been hurt. That's significant. In 764 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: the linebackers too, Shaun Lee and Layton Vanderish. It's just 765 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: been one tight end. But I mean, you know, I 766 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: think for the most part, the injuries have hit positions 767 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: multiple times. And now you can't even say the same 768 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: thing about defensive tackle. I mean, you lost before the 769 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: season even got it, and then you lost christ Riston Hill, right, 770 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: all right, let's go out. I mean I'm just saying, 771 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,760 Speaker 1: like you lost the guy you thought you were fiding. 772 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. All right, let's on to the 773 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,959 Speaker 1: next question. U. With all that's happened this season while 774 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: Dak played and since his injury, the price you'd be 775 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: willing to pay him has increased, decreased, or stayed the same. 776 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: Let's start with you, Dave. I mean, I can't. I 777 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: can't completely to that question until we know more about 778 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,479 Speaker 1: his recovery. And I it seems like it's going fine. 779 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: I don't have any reason to suspect that's not. But 780 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: I would like to know more about how he's looking 781 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: and what his prognosis is. But if we are to 782 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: assume that he will be just fine, I'll say it 783 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: stays the same. But that's because I was always willing 784 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: to pay him more in the first place, you know, 785 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,359 Speaker 1: like I was already comfortable with the idea of paying 786 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: him forty million in a year anyway. So if he's 787 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: healthy and ready to go, I feel the same way. Nick. Yeah, 788 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: I mean you have to sign him. You can't sign 789 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: him to the franchise tag. I mean, that's just impossible. 790 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think you can do that. 791 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: You might, you might tag him, but you certainly can't. 792 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: He can't go off a tag like that. If the 793 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,919 Speaker 1: tag is not number, is not going to go down. 794 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: But the salary cap is, which I don't understand that. 795 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: But if that's the way it is, then he's got 796 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: You gotta get a deal done with him. And yeah, 797 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: I think I think you see his value. You're seeing 798 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: his value even more with him not being here. Um, 799 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: but you know it's it's gonna be hard for the 800 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: Cowboys to pay him more than Russell Wilson. But that's 801 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: that's more of a Seattle problem than anything I think it. 802 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna get paid like Deshaun Watson, and 803 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 1: you know that's scary because the Shaun Watsons is hoping, 804 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Houston is hoping Deshaun Watson carries that team 805 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: and you can't do it. You can't do it when 806 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: when you you know, so it's gonna I don't know, 807 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. But also, where are the Cowboys picking? 808 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: Because I think if the Cowboys are picking on the 809 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: top five, you gotta open this. Gary and Stephen aren't 810 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: doing their job if they don't open up that discussion 811 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: and be like, well, what are we gonna have to 812 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: to discussion at least, Yeah, you have to. Yeah, I 813 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: think it stays the same. But the big difference for 814 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: me personally is that now when I'm giving him his contract, 815 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: I have a big smile on my face and I 816 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: feel better about it instead of being like, oh man, 817 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: here you go, just sign it. Just go ahead and 818 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 1: sign it. Now we're we're all buddies and now we're 819 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: we're happy around here and we can celebrate. So I 820 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,320 Speaker 1: think money wise, it just makes me feel better thinking 821 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: and expecting that he's gonna fully recover from this injury. 822 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: And based on what we did get to see from 823 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: him this year, I think he made a huge step 824 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: from last year and we saw how. And my biggest 825 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: thing with Dak Prescott has always been the whole thing 826 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: about can he carry the team without him needing so 827 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: many key guys around him, And given the injuries in 828 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: the old line and the struggles that they had, I 829 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: think that I feel that Dak proved that he can 830 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: be that guy and he can't carry the team and 831 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,320 Speaker 1: just give that extra push that you needed. Sometimes it 832 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 1: didn't work out with them getting a win, but we 833 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: saw the change and the and the the ability of 834 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,439 Speaker 1: him to make really important place under pressure. So yes, 835 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: now I just give it to him with a big 836 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,800 Speaker 1: camber just made in my opinion, the best point of 837 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: the day. And because I think going into this year 838 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 1: and really going into the contract negotiations, think the vast 839 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 1: majority of Cowboys fans and observers felt like Dak was 840 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: not the main thing that they did. They felt like 841 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: the running game was the main thing they did. They 842 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: felt like what the offensive line was the best thing 843 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: that they had, and Dak was just a complimentary piece, 844 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: a pretty good complimentary piece, but he was a complimentary piece. 845 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: And I think we found out at the beginning of 846 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 1: this season is even without his two tackles, even with 847 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 1: a running game that I think we all agree hasn't 848 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: been up to par and what we expected, Dak was 849 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: able to have this offense running at a rate that 850 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 1: was really, really somewhat historic, Like they were putting up 851 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: tons of yards and tons of points. You can call 852 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: it whatever you want to call it about you know, 853 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 1: you know, garbage time, but I'll tell you this that 854 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: garbage time, those garbage time points and yards aren't happening now. 855 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: And so I think we all come away from this 856 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: with a different perspective of Dak Prescott. That's not about 857 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 1: the fact that he's a guy. That's a complimentary Right, 858 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: we come away with the understanding that Dak is the 859 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 1: straw that stirs the drink. At this point, in my opinion, 860 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 1: I don't think it's even close. He is the reason 861 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 1: why this team will have success if they're going to 862 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: move forward with him. All right, let's go on to 863 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,919 Speaker 1: the final question that we have before we end the show. 864 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 1: Who has been a bigger problem slash disappointment this season? 865 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, Chris Jones or Xavier Woods. Let's start with 866 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: Nick Um on of those three. I mean, if you 867 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,879 Speaker 1: have another one you'd like to write in, Phil Yeah, yeah, yeah, 868 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: you're talking about today or tonight or yeah. I don't 869 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: know what you're referring to now. I think that I 870 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: think Jayalen. I mean it's probably Jalen. I mean, because 871 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: the punter doesn't make that much of a difference. I mean, 872 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: does he well he not really. No, he's been a disappointment. 873 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: He's been a disappointment, but it's hard to say that 874 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: the center of your defense versus the punter relatively. Yeah, 875 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not as hard on Jalen as you 876 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: guys are. But I no, I'm not. I don't think 877 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: he's I don't think he's the true problem. I guarantee 878 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: you if he didn't dress and swipe and do all 879 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 1: the stuff like that, I guarantee people wouldn't hate him 880 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 1: as much. No, that has nothing whatsoever to do with it. 881 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: In my opinion, it does not for me. It doesn't 882 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 1: for me. It's about just watching him play. I just 883 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: I can't see where someone watches him play and they 884 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: don't think that he is a big part of the 885 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: problem with this step the answer, I mean, I think 886 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: the answer zeke huh okay, I think that's the answer 887 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 1: on the most disappointing. And it's not all his fault 888 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: because he's he thought he'd have a different supporting cast. 889 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 1: But I mean, to not have one hundred yard game 890 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: after eight games, I mean, that's surprising, you knowsappointing him. Yeah. 891 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 1: Where do you think he ranks though? In the NFL? 892 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,439 Speaker 1: Do you know this? I know this. I'm guessing he's 893 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: five hundred and fourteen yards, guessing he's probably around twelfth, thirteen, seventh, seventh. 894 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: I would have guessed the same wow, but still he's 895 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: been most of this point. I'm gonna say, Zeke, if 896 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,359 Speaker 1: I could do a write in ballot, vote for them, Zeke, 897 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 1: all right, Amber Europe Anya, That's exactly what I was 898 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: gonna say. I was gonna see. I was gonna say 899 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: a Zequel because Jamen Smith he's never been a guy 900 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,399 Speaker 1: that has been impressive enough to me in my eyes. 901 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,839 Speaker 1: He started changing my opinion during training camp. And again 902 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: it was training camp, but we were all blah, you know, 903 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,319 Speaker 1: didn't work out to be what we saw at training camp. 904 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 1: So there's that. So my expectations weren't very high for 905 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: Jalen to begin with based on previously or not this 906 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: training camp. Anyways, point is it would be Ezekiel Elia 907 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,320 Speaker 1: because he just like I talked about Dark Prescott, he 908 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,360 Speaker 1: was the guy that I've always seemed to be the 909 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 1: person to be able to carry the offense. He was 910 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,919 Speaker 1: the guy that I always saw the Cowboys being able 911 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: to run lean on, lean on with the running game 912 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,759 Speaker 1: and him being able well to create plays where it 913 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 1: was just really messy and you didn't think he could 914 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,879 Speaker 1: get much and then there he goes pushing for those 915 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: extra two four yards and this year it just unfortunately 916 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 1: hasn't been that. He hasn't been able to not just 917 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 1: make the explosive place that we've used to see, but 918 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,439 Speaker 1: just protect the ball. You know, he's given the ball 919 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,880 Speaker 1: away and that that has cost the Cowboys touchdowns and 920 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,800 Speaker 1: losing games. And that's very important and something that you 921 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,800 Speaker 1: don't expect a veteran guy like him to do, not 922 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: just once multiple times. So it would just have to 923 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,839 Speaker 1: be Ezekiel Elliott I would say, definitely the disappointment this year, Dave, 924 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,719 Speaker 1: it's jail and I don't think it's particularly close. Then. 925 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: Zeke's been disappointing for sure, Like he's not living up 926 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 1: to that contracts. He's not having a great season by 927 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 1: his standards, but running backs are a product of their environment. 928 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,880 Speaker 1: If he ad Dak and a healthier offensive line, I 929 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 1: think he'd be just fine. And that is a fair 930 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: conversation about whether or not it's worth to pay a 931 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 1: running back that much money, But that's neither here nor there. Like, 932 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,279 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about Zeke being good next season if 933 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 1: the offense is healthier. I am worried about Jalen Smith 934 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 1: ever being good again based on what we've seen and yeah, Nick, 935 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: I get your point. Like the way that he carries 936 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 1: himself rubs a lot of people the wrong way. But 937 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,959 Speaker 1: I'm with Derek, Like his instincts seem bad. He gets 938 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,880 Speaker 1: fooled a lot, he's out of position a lot. He 939 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,840 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have the burst that he had in 940 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Whenever he's asked to move in space, it 941 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 1: usually looks really, really rough. And the Cowboys are paying 942 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,360 Speaker 1: him to be this centerpiece of their defense. He doesn't. 943 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 1: More often than not, he looks like an average to 944 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: below average linebacker and they're paying him to be at 945 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 1: the top of the position. And not only is it 946 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 1: it's obviously bad for the team right now, but there's 947 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,439 Speaker 1: big financial ramifications about that. You know, if he can't 948 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,400 Speaker 1: get it done. That's why I said, like, they got 949 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 1: to figure out a way to make him a better player, 950 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 1: or figure out how they can cope with carry and 951 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,800 Speaker 1: that contract on the books like that. It's one of 952 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,040 Speaker 1: the biggest problems facing them for twenty twenty one in 953 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,719 Speaker 1: my opinion. And it's just not where I thought they 954 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,080 Speaker 1: would be when they agreed to that deal a year ago. 955 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,399 Speaker 1: All Right, that's a rap. We appreciate you guys, you guys, 956 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: we'll be back tomorrow. Wouldn't start getting ready for Cowboys 957 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: versus Steelers? What Bucky Brooks? You join us. We'll talk 958 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,680 Speaker 1: about the Steeler offense tomorrow versus the Cowboys defense. Till then. 959 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 1: For Nick Eatman, Dave Helm and Amber Garcia, I'm Derek Eagleton. 960 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,120 Speaker 1: This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot 961 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys 962 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,359 Speaker 1: dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.