1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 2: Cowboys. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: This is Mick Shot, streaming live on dallascowboys dot Com 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: and the official Dallas Cowboys app now Here are Bill Jones, 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: Heckma Harrison, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola. 7 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 3: It is noon on a Monday here inside the SWBC 8 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: podcast studio and it's time for another week of mix Shots. 9 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: Bill Jones along with Everson Walls, heck Ma Harrison, and 10 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 3: Mickey Spagnola. A week like none other around here. As 11 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 3: you've been listening to all the podcasts this morning, you 12 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 3: know what we're talking about from the outset of this 13 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 3: and it was a week like another last week here. 14 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 3: Everyone's still in a state of shock, a state of 15 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: mourning and it will be for a while after the 16 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 3: tragic passing of Marshaw and Neeland last week, and we're 17 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: here to talk about that and more here on mix Shots. 18 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 3: Cowboys players just getting back in town today, Mickey understand 19 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 3: that they're back here on campus today for the first 20 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 3: time after being off since last Tuesday. I guess it 21 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: is so people behind the scenes here, players, coaches and 22 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: staff and so forth. They're just getting back together today 23 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: this afternoon in fact, and trying to sort through in 24 00:01:54,360 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: what happened last Thursday, and our prayers and condolences remain 25 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: with the Kneeland family and his girlfriend Catalina, and we're 26 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 3: all just still pretty much in a state of shock. 27 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, they had a or are having a team meeting. 28 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 4: I think it was going on now and that was 29 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 4: their first time everybody getting together, and it's gonna take 30 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 4: some time, and I think, I mean, they haven't really 31 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 4: set a schedule, but I think they're going to ease 32 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 4: back into the football part of it. You got an 33 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 4: extra day or two to get ready for a Monday 34 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 4: night game against the Vegas So you know, if you 35 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 4: are on your normal schedule for a Sunday game that's Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, 36 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 4: you could go Thursday, Friday, Saturday Sunday this week. And 37 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 4: I'm thinking this is going to be a very tough 38 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 4: transition after everybody kind of being on their own since 39 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 4: the past. Think of Marshawn Nelan that they're together, and 40 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 4: I don't know about you guys, but I could remember 41 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 4: coming in here and you process it in your mind, 42 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 4: but until you've got to verbalize and talk to other people. 43 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 4: Like I think the first time I talked to anybody, 44 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 4: I was doing a radio segment and all of a sudden, 45 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 4: the emotions come out and it gets difficult. So I 46 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 4: think they're going to have to process this thing as 47 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 4: a team together, and today's really the first time they're 48 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 4: all together, and it's not easy, and I imagine tomorrow 49 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 4: is not easy and get guys heads around trying to 50 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 4: play football after something like this happened. And you know, 51 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 4: I was thinking, I don't know about you, guys. Usually 52 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 4: when you're young twenty two, twenty three, twenty four. 53 00:03:59,200 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. 54 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 4: People that pass away are usually older people like grandparents 55 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 4: or whatever, and you're thinking, well, they're old. But when 56 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 4: someone dies your own age, boy, that's a hard one 57 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 4: to deal with for guys in the lock of them 58 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 4: that have to Yeah, that have to take to have 59 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 4: to process somebody passing away that's their friend next door 60 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 4: to right, And so yeah, this is going to take 61 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 4: some time. And I know on Thursday they actually get 62 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 4: my days mixed up. They had people here if anybody 63 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 4: needed to come in and talk that they could they 64 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 4: could do. 65 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 5: So I will recall us having to deal with anything 66 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 5: like this, especially during the season. I can't recall any 67 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 5: teammates from the eighties even the seventies, right well, someone 68 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 5: you know within the locker of them, it was immediately gone. 69 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 5: I don't think we've had to deal with that. 70 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 3: Cowboys have had it, like a couple of times with 71 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 3: a Marcus Paul, a strength coach in two thousand and 72 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 3: then Jerry Brown twenty twelve, twelve, something like that. It 73 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: was early on in Jason Garrett's time, which was the 74 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 3: car wreck, and it was a Friday night before they 75 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: were departing to go to a game charter. 76 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 4: We didn't know and most people didn't find out about 77 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 4: it until we showed up for the charter on Saturday morning. Yeah, 78 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 4: that was one of Jason Garrett's toughest days because there 79 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 4: was no day in between. You were flying to Cincinnati 80 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 4: and you were playing the next day. Marcus Paul it 81 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 4: was the day before Thanksgiving here the medical emergency and 82 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 4: passed away, and the next day they had to play 83 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 4: a game. So this, at least, I don't know if 84 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 4: it helps hurts whatever. You've had time to process things 85 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 4: before you've got to play them. So Yeah, this is 86 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 4: gonna it'll be tough. But as Bill said, they've had 87 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 4: to go through stuff like this previously. 88 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 5: I think when you start talking about this, you know, 89 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 5: when is it a good time to start sharing you know, 90 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 5: when is it a good time to you know, consider 91 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 5: you know, your fellow man's feelings and things of that nature. 92 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 5: I would have to guess that, you know, there's more 93 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 5: than one person in the locker room that's dealing with 94 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 5: mental issues. That's just facts. There's lots more people around 95 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 5: the league that happened to deal with this and with 96 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 5: him with passing the way he did that could trigger 97 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 5: some people. And that's what's concerning about about it to 98 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 5: me is who else is out there thinking that we 99 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 5: walk around here all the time and we criticize people 100 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 5: or even praise people and things of that nature. We 101 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 5: make it is as if things are you know, should 102 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 5: always be normal. You think that everyone has the same mindset. 103 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 5: We might think differently on how we vote, who we 104 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 5: hang with, but you know, we always have the mindset 105 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 5: that he doesn't have any issues. You know, he don't 106 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 5: have any issues. You know, everything's fine with him, seems 107 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 5: like he's fine. He's walking around here you know, let's 108 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 5: go go with him to just score the touchdown. He's 109 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 5: got a girlfriend, and what could be wrong? You know, 110 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 5: those kind of things are really they kind of mask 111 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 5: what's really happening with a lot of people. Like I said, 112 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 5: not just in the locker room, even in this building. 113 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 5: So you know, you think about players as one thing, 114 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 5: but you got employees around here as well. Yeah, you 115 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 5: need to they need they might need to talk to somebody. 116 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 2: You know. 117 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 6: It's a reminder for me, fellas that you know, anytime 118 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 6: I start a show, anytime I've ever got an opportunity 119 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 6: to do a show, I start to shows the same way, 120 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 6: and I won't change from that. For asking the panel everyone, 121 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 6: my co hosts, how are you? 122 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 5: You know? 123 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 6: And the reason why I do that, My why for 124 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 6: doing that is I lost a good friend. 125 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: In high school to suicide. 126 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 6: And the thing that happens in the wake of someone 127 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 6: committing suicide is the why, you know, could I have 128 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 6: had a conversation with them to have changed what happened? 129 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 6: And that's what his family and friends and people closest 130 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 6: to and the guys over there in his locker room, 131 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 6: they're dealing with that right now. He was right here 132 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 6: next to me, and did I see it? What could 133 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 6: I have said to him? And you know, dealing with 134 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 6: that man, I anybody I come in contact with, I 135 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 6: want to know that I at least asked you how 136 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 6: are you and search for that answer and if there 137 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 6: is anything going on, we can have a conversation right there, 138 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 6: because all of this is just superficial. It's just on 139 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 6: the surface for real, you know, And when you talk 140 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 6: about it by the numbers, yeah, there are people everybody 141 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 6: dealing with something. If you think about it, everybody is 142 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 6: dealing with something. And it doesn't matter about his age. 143 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 6: He's twenty four years old. And I think that hits 144 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 6: home when you think about a man that basically the 145 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 6: world is his oyster. He has everything going on for himself, 146 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 6: and he was in pain, he was broken, and nobody 147 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 6: could get through to him to change his mind on 148 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 6: the act that he committed. And that's the saddest part 149 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 6: about it for people. And I think when you talk 150 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 6: about Everson, the differences that we have in each other 151 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 6: with one another, way that people vote, the way that 152 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 6: people think, you know, people's hang ups in the world. 153 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 6: We're more connected than we really and if we just 154 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 6: stopped and realize that you're a person, You're a person, 155 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 6: You're a person, and we treated each other right, not 156 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 6: just during. 157 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: Times like these, but at all times. You know. 158 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 6: It's just a constant reminder of that. And when I 159 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 6: you know, when when we got the call and the 160 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,239 Speaker 6: news spread, it was it was heartbreaking. It was heartbreaking 161 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 6: to think about that, but more heartbreaking for the people 162 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 6: that have those same questions in their head right now, 163 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 6: you know, he was right here. 164 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 2: God could I have? And that's devastating. 165 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 6: But you know, as football fans, as humans, as people, 166 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 6: we just have to be more mindful of that and 167 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 6: deal with one another and to that degree that we 168 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 6: understand that we're flesh and blood with these flesh suits 169 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 6: that we wear, are very sensitive in a lot of ways. 170 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 6: And so I just I hope that everyone has an 171 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 6: opportunity to check in to themselves but other people, but 172 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 6: then understand that this tragic thing that happened. Man, we 173 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 6: need to connect to one another more than ever. 174 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 5: Now, you know what. 175 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 3: I go ahead, Well, one thing, Chris Beam has what 176 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 3: Dak Prescott had to say about it on Thursday, last Thursday, 177 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 3: in fact, CBS eleven when we heard about it, We 178 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 3: knew that Dak was going to be at his old 179 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: high school for the dedication of Prescott Field on Thursday night, 180 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: and so we sent a crew there and to cover 181 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 3: that and and to hear from Dak and Chris, you 182 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: got that, uh what Dak had to say on Thursday. Yeah, Okay, 183 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: let's hear from Dak. 184 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 5: Now. 185 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's been it's been a very tough day. As 186 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 7: you said, it started early this morning finding out the 187 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 7: news tragic loss. I heard heavy, heavy heart today. I 188 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 7: heard from Marshawan. I heard for his family, I heard 189 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 7: for his girlfriend, I heard for every single one of 190 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 7: my teammates. This is a pain that you don't wish 191 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 7: upon anybody. You You you wish none of us had 192 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 7: to go through this, You wish Marshan didn't have to 193 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 7: go through what he had he went through, And just 194 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 7: thankful for each moment we have in this life and 195 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 7: don't take it for granted, and hugging love on those 196 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 7: that you do. It's okay to feel however you're feeling. 197 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 7: And I'll tell you first and foremost, I don't always 198 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 7: have the answers, and the day is not a day 199 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 7: that I felt like I had answers. Triggering day for 200 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 7: for many reasons, on top of just knowing that this 201 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 7: was a this was a head today and hard to 202 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 7: balance my emotions today and not not a day that 203 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 7: I have words. 204 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 5: Other than I love you. 205 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 7: For for friends and families and people who may be struggling. 206 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 3: What are you? 207 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 5: What are you gonna say to your teammates when. 208 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 6: They see him? 209 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, that I love them? 210 00:12:59,720 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: I was. 211 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 7: We had a zoom call and a few people that 212 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 7: that spoke did an amazing job. 213 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 5: But as I said, it's. 214 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 7: Tell that person how I feel about him when I 215 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 7: see him. Tough moment for this team. As I said, 216 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 7: I filled and hurt for everybody that's involved in this 217 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 7: and Marshawn's families and loved ones. 218 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 3: So there you talk about the ever since the time 219 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 3: where people can express they had a zoom call, even 220 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: on Thursday amongst the brothers on the team. Sounds like 221 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 3: and that's probably what's going on right now. But obviously 222 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 3: Dak he's gone through this personally in his own life, 223 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: and that's in that same defensive line room with Marshawn. 224 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 3: Solomon Thomas lost his sister Ella to suicide, and he 225 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: and his mom and dad Chris and Martha have been 226 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: outspoken and they have a foundation that's been established, a 227 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: defensive line foundation. I think it's what it's called, dealing 228 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 3: with mental health issues and suicide prevention. And uh so 229 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 3: there's there's it's hit very close to home for guys 230 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 3: on that team, and I'm sure just like with you Hack. 231 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: Mothers, there are others. 232 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 3: It's where it's it's touched our lives for uh sadly 233 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: in so many ways. 234 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 4: Uh what you know what struck me this weekend? And 235 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 4: you guys know what I did going back to school 236 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 4: all over campus and the timing of this really hit me. 237 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 4: There were signs on the sidewalk about mental depression all 238 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 4: over and it wasn't because of this. They was painted 239 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 4: there and it had phone numbers to call if you 240 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 4: need help. And I saw that and it's like it's 241 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 4: it's real out out there. 242 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 5: It just hit me when you start thinking about this. 243 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 5: I think as I got as I got older, you know, 244 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 5: we always had our anger when we were younger, but 245 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 5: as I got older, I just start to really appreciate 246 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 5: what was around me. And so you know, when I 247 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 5: come in here, when you ask me how I'm doing, 248 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 5: I'm doing well. Because I'm like, you know what, I'm 249 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 5: not gonna let any of that stuff bother me. I 250 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 5: don't worry about money or how much is this and 251 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 5: legacy and all that kind of stuff, because when it's 252 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 5: all said and done, we put a lot of pressure 253 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 5: on people that have a name, whether it's in this 254 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 5: building or whether it's in your community. Well, there are 255 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 5: people that we hardly even hear of the people we 256 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 5: passed by every day in this hard way. You don't 257 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 5: know what they're going through. And sometimes I do think 258 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 5: about that when I walk by somebody, and you know, 259 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 5: we ain't always perfect, but you know the moments that 260 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 5: you say, you know what what's going on? Just just speak, 261 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 5: you know, looking in the eyes to speak. When I 262 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 5: do autograph sessions, I take a long time because I 263 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 5: talk to people, you know, I mean, you know, superstars 264 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 5: on this team from the past and even the future, 265 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 5: and they just sign and boom sign and boom sign 266 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 5: and boom And I hanging out with Ron Springs, hanging 267 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 5: out with Drew Pearson, getting that culture from from from 268 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 5: those guys about how you have to treat fans, how 269 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 5: you have to treat the people that you meet. And 270 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 5: so when I do those autograph sessions, I want to 271 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 5: treat them the way I would want to be treated 272 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 5: if I was a kid, all grown ass man that 273 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 5: wanted to have an autograph. And it's not just once again, 274 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 5: it's not about autographs. It's about communicating with people, just 275 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 5: on an organic level. You don't have to be articulate 276 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 5: or anything. Just talk to a person, look him in 277 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 5: the eyes. My mom taught me that too, But look 278 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 5: him in the eyes, stand up straight, and just you know, 279 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 5: speak and so those things I think goes a long way, 280 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 5: and you know, giving me some type of happiness in life. 281 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 4: And people deal with pressure differently, right, I mean, I 282 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 4: could think back to I don't know if you guys, 283 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 4: when you were in college, the pressure of succeeding, you know, 284 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 4: make sure you're passing this test or this grade, and 285 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 4: at sometimes it was tough. I can remember sitting under 286 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 4: a tree wondering what am I doing? Am I getting 287 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 4: this right? And I going to succeed? And I would 288 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 4: imagine I wasn't by myself the kids in college. 289 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 5: That's why those numbers were on the side. 290 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and that really struck me having seen that 291 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 4: like two days later, you know, and I thought back 292 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 4: sitting under that tree, going hmm, if I don't do this, well, 293 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 4: but what am I going to do with my life? 294 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 4: Because this is what I want to do. So yeah, 295 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 4: those pressures that people have are different, especially at a 296 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 4: young age. 297 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it definitely happens that young age. I mean 298 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 5: I was I was fifteen, sixteen years old getting in 299 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 5: trouble all the time and wasn't playing sports at all. 300 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 5: When a fifteen year old sixty year old don't have 301 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 5: sports in his life, man, you know, that's trivial compared 302 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 5: to what's going on now. But those are the kind 303 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 5: of things you know, that you have to overcome in 304 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 5: life to give you that confidence, you know, and some 305 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 5: don't overcome it. Yeah, and that's what the problem. 306 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 6: Twenty four, twenty four years old. And I think that's 307 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 6: the one I just kept saying twenty four, twenty four 308 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 6: and thinking about being twenty four and not having anything 309 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 6: figured out at twenty four years old. I have an 310 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 6: eighteen year old son at home that has his He 311 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 6: can go around the world on his phone, you know 312 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 6: if he wants to, and you know, the things, the 313 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 6: imagery that he sees every day. My wife and I 314 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 6: are very aware of it, and we're always tapping in 315 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 6: with him just to talk about talk about the pressure 316 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 6: that these young people have on them. I mean, that's 317 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 6: that's important. And to know that they have an outlet, 318 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 6: you know, with or without sports. You know, it's because 319 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 6: you know, you've heard the comparisons is the thief of joy, 320 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 6: and social media makes it where people are comparing themselves 321 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 6: all the time, and you would think, and again just 322 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 6: not knowing exactly what a person is going through, that's 323 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 6: that's the world that we currently live in. And so 324 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 6: those are those small things that you were just talking about, 325 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 6: just having the common decency to speak to people and 326 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 6: because you absolutely have no idea, and especially specifically with 327 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 6: our young people, you know, making sure that we make 328 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 6: them understand that they are and even cowboys, that you're 329 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 6: not just a number, You're not just this thing man. 330 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 6: You You matter to so many people and if there 331 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 6: was something that happened to you, people would be devastated. 332 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 2: You need to know that, Yes, you need to. 333 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 6: Feel that, and you need to feel that responsibility not 334 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 6: only to them but to yourself. 335 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 2: Point. 336 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, good point. A lot of a lot of 337 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 5: people do. They don't realize that some people are watching. 338 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 5: They don't realize, some realize that some people care. And 339 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 5: so when they're sitting there by themselves, like you're talking 340 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 5: about sitting under the tree all of that, you know, 341 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 5: you probably need somebody to talk to at that time. 342 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 5: You probably just need somebody just sit there with you 343 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 5: at some time. 344 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 4: Sometimes you need a hug. 345 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 5: That's it. That's it. 346 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 3: If you could talk about the brotherhood that exists on 347 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 3: a team and how in this like their meeting right 348 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 3: now as brothers they just lost a brother and just 349 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 3: what we don't who haven't been on a professional sports 350 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 3: teamer has been since high school, since we've been on 351 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 3: a team, what is that like and what kind of 352 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: impact does something like this have on that whole brotherhood. 353 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 5: I think in some cases you will find yourself closer 354 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 5: to people that you never imagine that you'll be closer 355 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 5: to because it's something that you guys kind of had 356 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 5: in common in regards to a tragedy, locker rooms or 357 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 5: it's its own ecosystem. You know, you've got clicks here 358 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 5: and clicks there. But it's amazing how once you're in 359 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 5: that locker room and once you're on the field, you 360 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 5: all come together for the same cause. And it's always 361 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 5: marveled at how different coaches handled that. Pars sales it was, 362 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 5: you know, you guys, just listen to what I say 363 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 5: and you'll be okay, plus sales. When he talked about 364 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 5: the team, When he dealt with the team, he realized 365 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 5: how important it was for the players to be a 366 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 5: one and so he would always when he would piss 367 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 5: you off, he would piss off the whole team. He 368 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 5: would rather the whole team be pissed off with him 369 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 5: in unison, you see. So that was always to me 370 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 5: the closest locker room that I've ever had. Doesn't matter. 371 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 5: The color doesn't matter, you know, whatever your background is. Uh, 372 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 5: when you're in that locker room, you it's it's a 373 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 5: good thing, but you're forced, you're forced to be social 374 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 5: with someone that you have no nothing in common. And 375 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 5: sometimes we have to do that, We have to force 376 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 5: these things to come together, because otherwise, if you leave 377 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 5: it to our own devices, you're gonna have all the 378 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 5: black sitting over here, all the white sitting over here, 379 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 5: all the old guys sitting over here, all the young 380 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 5: guys over here, you know, And that's that's just not 381 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 5: a locker room. You got to bring those factions together. 382 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 4: Ourselves had that sign out at Valley Rim remember something 383 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 4: about something about it losers hang around in small groups. Yes, yes, 384 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 4: and winners are all together, and he tried to perpetuate 385 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 4: that's why, you know. It makes me think back to 386 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 4: the car crash with Josh Brent and Jerry Brown passing 387 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 4: away and having to play a football game after they 388 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 4: all found out about it. 389 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 5: The next day. 390 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 4: I don't know if you credit who, but Jason Garrett 391 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 4: had to get those guys ready to play the game 392 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 4: and they beat the Bengals with a walk off twenty 393 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 4: to nineteen. I think it was. And it's like whatever 394 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 4: you're known as a coach. To get that done was, 395 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 4: you know, rather magnificent. And the weird thing was they 396 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:39,959 Speaker 4: were talking about what was the analogy. It was the 397 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 4: Cowboys fifty third season in their history. His number was 398 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 4: fifty three. Oh wow, yeah, think about it. But that 399 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 4: they came together and overcame all that grief for a 400 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 4: god that had been in the locker room with him 401 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,120 Speaker 4: a day ago, right to win a foot. 402 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 5: It was. 403 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 4: It was pretty powerful. 404 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 5: I think we regardless of the outcome of the season 405 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 5: or next week's game or whatever. The toughest part is 406 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 5: trying to come together and be competent. You know, do 407 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 5: we are we do we stay selfish and just worry 408 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 5: about problems we're having. Do we become more empathetic, you know, 409 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,959 Speaker 5: to the people in that locker room, But it's someone 410 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,479 Speaker 5: in there looking at a former teammate or a president, 411 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 5: a current teammate and understanding, now, what's he's what this 412 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 5: guy's going through and hopefully we have some breakthroughs in 413 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 5: that locker room. That's that's really what you look forward to. 414 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 5: And it has nothing to do with the names or 415 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 5: who did this or who is the captain or whatever. 416 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 5: You know, this is the time where some guys that 417 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 5: you don't even aren't even aware of on your team 418 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 5: that might be someone that can help you at this point. 419 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 5: It could be someone in that locker room. Now you're 420 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 5: not even close to them back. 421 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 4: Now seeing you know. The other thing we got to 422 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 4: consider is when they open that locker room, the media 423 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 4: is going to be in there. We're all going to 424 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 4: be in there, right and what are the questions? It 425 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 4: ain't about the Raiders right now? Are you ready to 426 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 4: talk about it? Are you ready to express your feelings. 427 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 5: I mean, that's another thing looking at the pot we're 428 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 5: looking to players is as if they are so unique 429 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 5: in some way. What about the media, Yeah, I mean 430 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 5: you guys, you guys, the media, I mean, you guys 431 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 5: have problems. You got issues. I'm sure you do, you know, 432 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 5: but you're trying to cover something. Yeah, you know, some 433 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 5: some media they don't even know how to cover something 434 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 5: like this. 435 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 4: All I know is last night before the game, the 436 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 4: Sunday night game, when they did the memorial thing for 437 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 4: Marshawn Neeland and Taglebo and they with him up there 438 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 4: tears well in my face, I guarantee you it was 439 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 4: like and I saw that so many times the college 440 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,959 Speaker 4: games and things like that. But National TV, you know, 441 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 4: asking for a moment of silence is pretty powerful. 442 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 5: All right. 443 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 3: There are some things, some football related things to get 444 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 3: to in the course of the next twenty five minutes 445 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 3: or so here on mix shots. 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After a fourth straight loss, 491 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 3: Mike Kafka named the interim head coach of the Giants. 492 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 3: It was not a good day for New York Giants 493 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 3: football yesterday with a come from ahead lost to the 494 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 3: Chicago Bears. 495 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 5: Right, come from a head? 496 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: Come on, Everson, talk about your other boys? 497 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 5: Who was that? 498 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 2: The Giants? 499 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 5: I really thought Dable was going to stick around. They 500 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 5: really have a nice team. They have a good team. 501 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 5: They got a good quarterback. He's just young in a 502 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 5: little while. 503 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 4: But he's good when he doesn't have a concussion. 504 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think that's what happened too. 505 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 6: He went out of the game and then Russ came 506 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 6: in and didn't cook. 507 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 5: But that's not on Dabele. That's just not on Dable. 508 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 5: I think, you know, blaming that game on him, you know. 509 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 3: I think it's something that they were going to do anyway, 510 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 3: and they just decided let's just do it now. Yeah, 511 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 3: but you like the Giants, right is who you got? 512 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 3: Knee jerk decision? 513 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, the NFC East is very 514 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 5: weird that the whole team, the whole season. 515 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 4: Is weird this year, very weird or very weak. 516 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 5: I wouldn't say weak consist what the commanders are doing 517 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 5: right now consistently. 518 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 3: The Cowboys have problems with their defense. What about dan Quinn? 519 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 5: Well, so do you do you put that on your quarterback? 520 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 5: Not not having your starting quarterback, you know, creating problems 521 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 5: for your defense. 522 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 6: Absolutely, not being able to maintain drives, stay on the field, 523 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 6: poor field position. All of that is to take it 524 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 6: into account. But they're getting drove right now both. I mean, Washington, 525 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 6: if you watch that game versus Detroit. 526 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 3: Game last week. 527 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 6: But then but then it's like I'm watching the Chicago 528 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 6: New York game and I'm like, we need this, all right, 529 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 6: we need the Giants to beat Chicago. They had the 530 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 6: lead and the quarterback goes out I forgot yes, yes, yes, 531 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 6: and and I'm like, come on, I'm find myself. I'm 532 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 6: a come on, Giants, you know, pull it out. You 533 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 6: got a big lead. You're nursing that lead, don't forget 534 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 6: about this leame and oh my gosh, and all of 535 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 6: a sudden, Chicago just like that. Man, it didn't take 536 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 6: them long. 537 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 4: There, and that six and three. They're the seventh seed 538 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 4: right now. 539 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 2: Unbelievable. At six and three, they. 540 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 4: Could have been five and four very easily. 541 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. 542 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 6: Hey, we were having the conversations of last week about 543 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 6: are you bought in on Carolina and still talking. 544 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 3: Three games in particular yesterday, okay that were well, not 545 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 3: necessarily shocking results because one of them was very predictable, 546 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 3: but it was these were at least three games that 547 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 3: were great examples of teams not being able to handle success. 548 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 2: Started my Buffalo. 549 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 3: No, I'm going to start with Carolina. Okay, okay, what 550 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 3: did Carolina. 551 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 5: Do last week? 552 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 3: They beat Green Bay on the road, wouldn't it They 553 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 3: beat green Bay, They have a chance to go to 554 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 3: six and four on the season with a one win 555 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 3: Saints team coming in a home games and they scored 556 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 3: seven points. They lose seventeen to seven. Okay, all right, 557 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 3: they showed what they are, okay, and it's an immature 558 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 3: team they can't handle success. But you mentioned Buffalo. Now 559 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 3: this is a veteran team, but they beat Kansas City 560 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 3: last week at Kansas City team that record wise isn't 561 00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: the best in the league, but was playing as well 562 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 3: as anybody in the league coming into the last week's game. 563 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 3: And then Buffalo doesn't even show up against the Dolphins. 564 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: And South Beach got him that can't wait to get 565 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: rid of their coach. 566 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 3: And then I'll give you another team that was a 567 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 3: team that chartered a jet full of fans to come. 568 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 5: To AT and T Stadium. 569 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 2: Talk about week. 570 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 3: Okay, the Arizona Cardinals played their super Bowl last week 571 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 3: and then they go to Seattle this week, a division game, 572 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 3: and they're down thirty five to nothing four minutes into 573 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 3: the second quarter. 574 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 4: Second quarter. Yes, I just wanted to. 575 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 3: I saw. 576 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 5: A cowboy fans. We took that very personal. 577 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 6: Yes, yes, Marvin Harrison, I'm like, oh, man, Marvin Harrison 578 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 6: is the man. I'm telling everybody your fantasy that bag man, 579 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 6: you better start Marvin Harrison. 580 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's matched up against Reek Woolan, who was on 581 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 3: the trading block. 582 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 6: Just last week and then he watched his carriage turn 583 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 6: back into a puffkin real time. 584 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 2: Picted. 585 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 3: In fact, I said him, I said last I said 586 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 3: another podcast, I do the Jonesing for football pod, I said, 587 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 3: the pressure is on joeby Jacoby Brissette and the Arizona 588 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 3: Cardinals after what they did on Monday. They're now going 589 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 3: to go to Seattle, and as well as that Seattle 590 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 3: defense is playing and not only from a sack standpoint. 591 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 3: I think he was sacked five times in the game, 592 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 3: but just to Cardinals in general, They're going to go 593 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 3: up there and they are going to lay an egg, 594 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 3: and I didn't realize he was going to be that 595 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 3: big of. 596 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 4: An egg, saying I don't know if this is a 597 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 4: reflection on the Cowboys or not, but look what Denver 598 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 4: has done offensively since that game. They scored ten points 599 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 4: and then the game before was it a walk off 600 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 4: field goal to get to. 601 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 3: There was eighteen fifteen against Houston fourteen. 602 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 6: That is That's been who they've been in the fourth quarter, 603 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 6: the comeback kids. They just didn't have to do that 604 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 6: against us. 605 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 4: Overcome. 606 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 5: I think it's still I think it's still us. I 607 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 5: think we were the reason that they were up high, 608 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 5: and unnecessarily it was because of us. We were the 609 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 5: ones that you know, made them look good. And that's 610 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 5: not the first time we've done that. 611 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 2: Well. 612 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 4: I figured, uh, the Cowboys went into their IDOL weekend 613 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 4: with ten teams with better records than that. They emerged 614 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 4: with ten teams. 615 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 5: I thought about that this week. I'm like, they're still 616 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 5: we are. 617 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 4: Now there's still eleventh and of the teams that are 618 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 4: ahead of them, they've lost to four of them and 619 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,919 Speaker 4: tied one of them. 620 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 6: Hey, you just got to control what you can control. 621 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 6: And that's the NFC East. That's why that Philadelphia. 622 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 2: Game tonight, it's so big. Yeah, it's so big, you know. 623 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 6: And and I'm hey, I'm clock watching on everybody, everybody. 624 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 6: I'm watching, you know, for Green Bay, I'm watching, you know, 625 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 6: I'm watching Philly. I'm watching all the teams in the NFC. 626 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 6: The Bear specifically, I'm watching them Carolina. 627 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 5: I am rooting so badly against the Chicago Bears every game. 628 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 2: The poor Bear. 629 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 4: They've suffered so so well. 630 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 5: They seem to be just God finding luck everywhere because 631 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 5: they have what is it, six and they won, No, no, 632 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 5: not that many. 633 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 2: I don't think that they are six and three. 634 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 4: They're six and three though. 635 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's enough. 636 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 4: So tonight you pulling for the Packers or the Eagles. 637 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 3: Well, I'm at the mindset since you got Eagles left 638 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 3: on your schedule, okay, that like what you said, think 639 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 3: about the division, and so it would be Eagles need 640 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 3: to lose. And as you point, you only got one 641 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 3: team to catch in your division, right, you got four 642 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 3: teams to catch, five teams to catch in the wild card. 643 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 4: To overcome that many, and as you pointed out last week, 644 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 4: not the Eagles, not after after green Bay. They've got Detroit, 645 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 4: right and then the Cowboys. 646 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 6: So yeah, realistically speaking, they are in a tough stretch 647 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 6: right now this season. But yeah, go Pack, you know. 648 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 2: No, Pack, go No, I'm not I'm not gonna finish that. 649 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 6: I'm not gonna finish that. I'm not gonna finish the 650 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 6: last part of that. 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As you 705 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 3: all know, starting with Monday's game at the Las Vegas Raiders, 706 00:40:55,239 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 3: the Cowboys play three games in eleven days. Games in 707 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 3: eighteen days. Got Raiders on Monday, you got the Eagles here, 708 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 3: the following Sunday, you got the Chiefs on Thanksgiving, and 709 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 3: then at the Lions the following Thursday, Chargers Minnesota. Yeah, 710 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,280 Speaker 3: but we're just dealing with it here and now. 711 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 4: You know, I just want a reminder that they got 712 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 4: the six straight. 713 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,959 Speaker 3: You do have a little layoff by after that Lions game, 714 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 3: and so. 715 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,280 Speaker 4: We brought this up last week. You see what Marcus 716 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 4: Lawrence did Sunday? 717 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, unfortunately, Yeah, yeah, I saw. 718 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 4: That first time in NFL history history that a player 719 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,799 Speaker 4: recovered fumbles and returned for touchdowns that were for more 720 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 4: than twenty yards in the. 721 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,280 Speaker 3: First fifteen minutes of a game. 722 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 4: Basically, and it had and only six guys had two 723 00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 4: fumble recoveries in a half since nineteen ninety one for 724 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 4: a touchdown. But not only that, he had four tackles, 725 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 4: half a sack, a tackle for a loss, and three 726 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 4: quarterback hits, which goes back from what we were talking about. 727 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 4: I need out of. 728 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 2: My defensive ends. 729 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 4: It's not all about sacks. 730 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 6: Oh my god, here's the cup, the cut. What a 731 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 6: performance by DeMarcus Lawrence. Man, he's found the fountain of 732 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 6: youth in Seattle. I thought that was crazy when I 733 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 6: when I saw did you. 734 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 4: See the place? Yes, both of them won hops. 735 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 5: Yes, crazy on the run? 736 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 4: How does that happen? 737 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 5: He's the man on that one. 738 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is somebody else did the dirty work. 739 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 4: He just thank you very much. 740 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 6: And now he's Sometimes's highest gotta be man, great job. 741 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 5: I know we're having a tough day around here, but 742 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,359 Speaker 5: I also got to give some love. I know he's 743 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 5: only a basketball player, but you know Lenny will manh Yeah, 744 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 5: Trailblazer and just did so much for the NBA. You know, 745 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 5: a little bit of guy. Like we call him a 746 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 5: little bitty, but he was a little bitty when it 747 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 5: came to being on the court with all the big guys, 748 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 5: just being having all the heart that he had be 749 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 5: able to bring a championship to Did he bring his 750 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,839 Speaker 5: championship to this? To the Supersonic Supersionic. 751 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 4: Their only one? 752 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 5: So he went in there for they coached the way. 753 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 5: He's in the Hall of Fame as a coach and 754 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 5: a player player. Yeah. 755 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,439 Speaker 4: And you know what, and I know no one ever 756 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,399 Speaker 4: gives love to a commissioner, but Paul Taglebo didn't make 757 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 4: a difference in the NFL. 758 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 5: If you think the commission is always a guy that 759 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 5: we dump on, everybody. 760 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,759 Speaker 4: Gets booed right right, Well, if you think about it, 761 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 4: he had the wherewithal was it ninety one when they 762 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 4: did the TV contract with something like that? Remember they 763 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 4: were going to give money back to the networks and 764 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 4: Jerry was like, no, wait a minute. And that's when 765 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 4: they brought in Fox. And at least he listened to 766 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 4: the new owners because the old guard was going to like, yeah, 767 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,879 Speaker 4: they we'll just keep going the way we're going. He 768 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 4: was in charge when they expanded from twenty eight to 769 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 4: thirty two teams. And Nate Newton will tell you this 770 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 4: that when Taglaboo became the commissioner, they came down hard 771 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 4: on banning steroids like making sure And Nate Newton has 772 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 4: said it so many times. He said, if it wasn't 773 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 4: for Tagliaboo, a fat offensive lineman like me would have 774 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 4: never right because the other guys were our artificially big right. 775 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 4: Nate was just big. He allowed me to have a 776 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 4: career in the NFL because he got down on the stairs. 777 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 3: And so Taglibu became commissioner eighty nine seventeen years okay, 778 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 3: and I Remember, Jerry often tells the story about when 779 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 3: he bought the Cowboys. How many three hundred pound offensive 780 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 3: linemen were in the league. 781 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 5: How many? What do you think? Two? 782 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:22,399 Speaker 2: Five, four? 783 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,839 Speaker 3: I think is the number that Jerry is always now 784 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 3: guarantee there are four three hundred pound offensive lineman. And 785 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 3: today you would be hard pressed to find under. You'd 786 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 3: be hard pressed to find one under three hundred pound 787 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 3: offensive lineman. 788 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:40,959 Speaker 5: In the lague. 789 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 3: There were there may be one or two, but. 790 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,839 Speaker 4: And I'll guarantee you the Cowboys had none because Tom 791 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,760 Speaker 4: wanted two hundred and sixty pound offensive lineman. 792 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,840 Speaker 5: You want to make them, make them move lateral. 793 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I can remember Nate. He got here and 794 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,840 Speaker 4: he looked around. He's going, oh, hell, I got no shot. 795 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 4: He looked at the offensive lineman. And here he comes 796 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 4: in at three forty and they want to name him 797 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:08,320 Speaker 4: the kitchen. We already had the fridge. 798 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 2: We had the fridge. 799 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 5: They named the entire kitchen. Yeah, not just in appliance, 800 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,640 Speaker 5: it was the whole that. It wasn't cool because fridge 801 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,440 Speaker 5: was way bigger than he was. 802 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,400 Speaker 4: And I'm remiss because the assistant equipment. 803 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,359 Speaker 3: Guy, Jerry, I can't remember the power name Jerry what 804 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 3: Jerry Fowler? 805 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,279 Speaker 5: No, No, I don't think it was funny talk about 806 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 5: our guy. Yeah, Jerry follow was it following? 807 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 4: It's just equipment, man. He's the one that came up 808 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 4: to name because they didn't have pants big enough for 809 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 4: you know, for Nate. 810 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,919 Speaker 5: Yeah. Just wow. 811 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,319 Speaker 6: I'm thinking ninety one all of the guys during that 812 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,359 Speaker 6: time that you suspected were juicing, you know, coming out 813 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 6: of college that didn't make it, you know, so that's 814 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,840 Speaker 6: a yeah, that wasite a turn of events for the 815 00:46:58,840 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 6: offensive line. 816 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 4: That was that was the knock on. It was the 817 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,440 Speaker 4: second pick in the draft, and right of course got 818 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 4: to the NFL. 819 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:13,719 Speaker 5: It wasn't a knock but that was not he was. 820 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 6: He just couldn't play to the steroids of other It 821 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,399 Speaker 6: didn't it wasn't helping him. 822 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 5: He was warded up and sorry. 823 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 4: And as Jerry and Jimmy were acting like, well, we 824 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 4: like Troy, but this mandredgs guyn, Uh, don't even come 825 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,919 Speaker 4: up with it, right, Oh my god. That's when that's 826 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 4: when we used to go in and talk to Jimmy 827 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,399 Speaker 4: on h He would listen after a game the three 828 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 4: beat writers and uh, after they finally got Aikman and whatever. 829 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 4: And he had been talking about Mandridge too, and they 830 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 4: were playing that game right and uh Edwarder walked in 831 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,840 Speaker 4: and he gave j gimme a deck of cards, like, okay, 832 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,319 Speaker 4: you were just playing poker right right, right rightwhere? And 833 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 4: you know what, he kept that card. They were sitting 834 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:12,839 Speaker 4: on his desk. 835 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 5: They found me out. 836 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 2: There's no way they were going. 837 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 3: And how many times did he use that deck of cards? 838 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 3: I mean yeah, in his dealings. He had played poker 839 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 3: a lot. All right, So that does it for today. 840 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 3: We're out of time. We got much to get to 841 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,480 Speaker 3: the rest of the week here on Mixed Shots, and 842 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 3: we'll chat at you again tomorrow at high Now Old Cowboys. 843 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 844 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,680 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.