WEBVTT - The Conclave Crew: Inside the Conclave - Your Questions Answered 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:03.000 I know you all have questions about this conclave, and 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:05.840 we've gathered them all and we've got some answers, and 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:09.600 that ain't blowing smoke on this edition of the Conclave Crew. 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:19.360 Welcome to this Arroyo Grande series, The Conclave Crew, Vatican Edition, 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:22.680 Episode five. Can you believe it's been five? And this 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.160 series has been brought to us by our friends at 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.920 Taylor for Gone Capital Management, Faith, Family and Finances there 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:34.000 at TAYLORFGHNE dot com, as well as Floriani revitalizing sacred 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.080 music there at Floriani dot org. We have a lot 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.320 of your questions to get to. Let's convene the crew. 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:43.320 Father Gerald Murray, Canon lawyer of the Archdiocese of New York, 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.319 and Robert Royal, editor in chief of The Catholic Thing 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.040 dot org, and I'm Raymond Arroyo. Go subscribe to the 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.839 Arroyo Grande podcast wherever you get your podcasts, or you 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.880 can see the show A Royal Grande Show on YouTube 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:59.200 and like this episode, the cardinals are in the Sistine 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:03.480 Chapel conducting rounds of votes as we speak. Look, we 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.360 could get a new pope any minute, but until then 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.560 the world is on smoke. Watch last night. It was 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:13.000 also focused on a seagull and the chimney stack at 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.680 the Cistina for hours. I actually ran into that seagull 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.679 on my way home last night, and my friend was 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:23.000 with me. Who he saw this, no lie and they 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.080 ordered a dove. I guess of the Holy spirit they 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:26.600 got a seagull better than vultures. 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:27.039 I guess. 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:29.479 We have gotten so many questions from you. I want 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.000 to get right to the conclave clue. Are you ready? 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:32.800 Oh? 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.000 Yes, all right, Okay, here we go. First one for Bob. 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.880 Will the conclave be looking outside the box for a 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.760 successor of Saint Peter? How about the credentials of Bishop 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:45.440 Robert Barron or someone like that? 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:47.560 Well? 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:48.639 I love Robert Baron. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.600 I mean he's a controversial figure for some people, but 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:56.280 I think he's a very rock solid guy. He's very 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:01.400 well educated, very well spoken, speak several languages, understands really 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.120 very deeply. He understands the moment that we're in right now, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.440 and it's a very difficult cultural moment as well as 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.000 it is an internal church moment. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:11.080 But unfortunately, I think. 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:15.200 This time around, the bets have been laid largely that 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:19.320 the leading candidates are large are probably going to be 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:21.919 among the finalists that we're going to see, although I 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:23.960 think some of the ones like Padline, who are really 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:28.120 at the top at the beginning of their stars, have 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.959 sunk quite a bit. So we may see a surprise, 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.400 but it's very unlikely that they're going to go outside 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.200 the box, if what you mean is outside the cardinals. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.560 Cardinals for a minute there, Bob, when you were talking 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.760 about Bishop Baron's language skills and everything, I thought I'd 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:44.640 have to go to ed Pentton and have them update 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.520 the College of Cardinals report and doing addendum with Baron 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.240 at the back. Maybe next time we'll do that. One 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:54.200 viewer wrote, father, I seriously doubt that this particular way 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.080 of voting goes back two thousand years. Well, let me, 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.320 I'm going to handle this one. It's called a tradition. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.359 It evolved. You know, you're going to look at the 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:03.840 Acts of the Apostles. I did it this morning. In 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:08.040 Acts one, the apostles gather to prey and then vote 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.640 to cast lots if you will, to replace Judas, and 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.280 they choose between two men. Look it up. Over time, 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:18.400 that process evolved where you had the Priests of Rome, 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.280 then the Cardinals of Rome, then the larger College of 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:25.400 Cardinals by twelve seventy four. This form of gathering in 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.920 a single locked location, cut off from the world, was 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:34.080 formalized originally in the Quernal Palace, which it was the 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.320 seat of the Italian government. Later that moved to the 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.840 Sistine Chapel. So it does go kind of back two 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.960 thousand years, though it's evolved and the traditions have matured 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:44.960 with it. The beauty of the church, I think, father, 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.640 is that we bring all of that tradition into the future. 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.040 We sort of gather it up through the two millennia 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.120 and carry it, you know, to the present moment. 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.840 Yeah, it was useful back then, it's useful now, I 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.000 mean too deep politicize. 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:01.600 Let's say the whole process. 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.320 There are no speeches being given in the Sistine Chapel, 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:06.840 and people's vote is a secret. 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:08.360 It's not a voice. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:09.760 Vote where you could try to, you know, look at 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.520 people and persuade them to go along with you. So no, 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:16.599 it's a very respectful process to let people vote their conscience. 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.479 Yeah, and I like the way. I like that it 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.800 almost has a wave quality, you know, one candidate rises 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:27.159 and then others shift alliances because they're concerned and suddenly 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:32.040 somebody else comes up. There's something. Well, it's mysterious. It's mysterious. 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.479 It allows the Holy Spirit to operate a bit. Father, 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.240 this one's for you. Why the lady wrote this? I 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:41.599 didn't write this. Why are all the cardinals wearing red dresses? Father? 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:43.919 Is that a vera wang or an omani? Why are 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:44.960 they wearing red? 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.720 Well, it actually comes from Target, you know, tell hers, Yeah, 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:56.840 pretty cheap. No, they don't wear dresses. The cassock is 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.200 not a dress. The cassock is that long garment meant 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.359 that the priests wear. It's black for your ordinary priests, 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.720 and then cardinals get red. They wear because that symbolizes 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.479 that they're willing to shed their blood to promote the 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.800 faith and be faithful to Jesus Christ. So, no, the 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.800 garment has an elegance to it. I think Raymond, we 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.159 would all say, and when you're wearing red ones where 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.120 everyone else is in black, it's very striking. They stand out. 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.039 Yeah, and the evolution of that is really something. I 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.200 mean that goes right back to Roman garb. And I 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.200 mean there's a lot of interesting Again, the church collects 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.080 up all of these bits and pieces from history and 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.040 carries it on and deserves it. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:37.200 Let me throw that in. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.840 I mean, yes, in Rome, important people were purple and 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.560 purple was the color of the nobility and the senators, 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:47.520 and so the church use that for the bishops. So 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.920 the bishops wear purple and the cardinals were red. 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:52.320 Yeah, and you know, just as a side note, a 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:56.360 contemporary cultural side note, one of the most visited met 0:05:56.480 --> 0:06:00.599 Gala exhibitions at the met for the costumes and and 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.240 you know, what do you call that? Finer fashion ended 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.240 up being the year that they focused on the Catholic 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.599 Church and what it did for fashion, and it was 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:14.279 mostly papal regalia, and you know, cardinal and bishop's outfits. 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.159 It's kind of cool, that's what they were looking at. 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:16.760 Anyway. 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.520 Bob Maurene asks, is the new pope allowed to come 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:24.279 into the Vatican with his own entourage that he can trust? 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:25.359 Interesting question. 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:28.440 Well, look, the pope is a boss. 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.680 He can come in with whoever he wants, and presumably 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:33.360 he is going to want to have people around him 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:36.240 that he can trust. We've talked about this before that 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:40.200 a pope can't rule a large entity like the Catholic 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.360 Church on his own. Although we In this recent papacy, 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.920 we saw a lot of the usual offices and channels 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:50.279 by which the pope rules were short circuited. Pope Francis 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.280 liked himself to make a lot of decisions, but any 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:57.280 wise leader of a large group, in particular a pope 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.760 needs to have a large group I think actually of 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.840 trusted advisors. So it'll be interesting, as it is when 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.039 we see like a president, you know, to put together 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:07.880 a cabinet, it will be interesting to see who he 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:08.679 brings in. 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:10.080 Along with him. 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:12.480 And it's not a matter of being permitted. He's the 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.120 boss at that point, and he can he can even 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:19.000 reconfigure what the officers are going to be like with 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.280 the people who are going to help him, as Pope 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:21.960 Francis did. 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.600 Yeah, no, no, we're we're we are bracing for a 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:27.360 big shift here one way or that. It doesn't matter 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.160 who the man is, he inevitably will bring his own 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.520 sensibility and put his own stamp on this papacy. 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:34.040 Father. 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:38.880 What happens if a cardinal is elected and refuses the nomination? 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.480 Someone wrote in our comments does the conclavor zoom voting? 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.800 Yeah, that's an excellent question, because yes, in order to 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.680 become pope, you have to accept the election. So it's 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.560 a very And it's similar if the pope names an archbishop, 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.720 let's say the Archbishop of Phoenix or somebody, and the 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.000 letter comes in and the man, the pre nominated archbishop 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.720 Phoenix says no, then he's not the Archbishop of Phoenix. 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.840 So likewise the pope can say no to the cardinals 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:10.480 and then in that case they would have to resume voting. Yep, 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.160 that's the way it is because it has to be 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.240 a free choice on the part of the person. And 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.679 some cardinals may say I'm not up to this job. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.760 They may know that they have an illness that's going 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:26.280 to really debilitate them, or they may just say, you know, man, 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.480 you let's say they elect a man who's seventy nine 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.040 years old. He said, you know, I'm seventy nine. I'm 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.160 not going to have the energy needed to confront the 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.520 situation of the church. So it would be an active 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.280 humility actually for that man to say I'm sorry, I 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:39.560 do not accept this election. 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:42.160 Yeah, and then they go back to another round of balloting. 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.360 Can't make them happy, They've got to be you know, 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.280 this group wasn't too happy after the long stay in Rome. 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.520 I can't imagine what they're going through now. You know, 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.200 it's sequestered in the in the Sistine Chapel. You know, 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.200 all you see is only outside. You see is the 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.600 boss taking you back and forth from the Santa Marta 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:01.600 house to the assisting travel father. Can you explain about 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.520 the three types of cardinals and what they mean? What 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.960 are those rules and are they interchangeable or do they 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.240 and can they adapt? Can they change those three types 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:12.520 of cardinalsn't sure. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:12.800 Yeah. 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.599 Within the College of Cardinals, there are three ranks or 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:20.160 levels cardinal deacons, cardinal priests, and cardinal bishops. And this 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:25.480 reflects the practice going back many centuries in Rome, where 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.240 you would have deacons, who are the first order of 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:33.880 sacred orders that they were serving in Rome, and actually 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.720 in Rome they organized their church or what they're called deaconries, 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.360 and deacons were in charge of charity. So they'd have 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.760 deacons and they have priests who would serve in the 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.800 different churches. So the pope would pick some of those 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:50.079 deacons and priests to be sort of like important people 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.720 who would have the right then to nominate and elect 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:58.320 the new pope. Cardinal bishops are there from what they're 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.760 called the sub or carrion diocese, so the dioceses that 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.800 are immediately surrounding the Diocese of Rome. Those bishops were 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:09.040 called cardinal bishops, and it became the tradition that all 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.760 of them were then cardinals, and they had a right 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.080 to vote in the conclict. Now all of that is 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.920 now ceased from the point of view of they're these 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.320 everyone who becomes a deacon cardinal deacon is already a 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.120 priest or a bishop, and likewise cardinal priests or priests 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:30.240 or bishops, same with cardinal bishops. But the within the 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:34.160 tradition now they maintained that, for instance, the leader of 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:38.160 the conclave is the cardinal dean, or in his absence, 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.480 the senior cardinal bishop. So the cardinal dean and the 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:45.000 vice dean are both over eighty. So Cardinal Paraline, who 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:49.400 was the senior cardinal bishop, he is then charged inside 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:53.000 the Sistine chapel of the conclave, and then the cardinal deacon, 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:57.120 the senior one, will announce from the balcony the name 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.360 of the new pope. So there are these roles, and 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:04.800 then of course, like an organization, so ancient seniority has 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:05.320 its role. 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.679 So the bishops and priests and deacon cardinals all enter 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:09.920 according to their rank. 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.280 Wow. Yeah, that's cool the way it's broken up. And 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.360 again you see all that history there again, the church 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:19.720 preserving this history. Even when things have fallen away, the classifications, 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:24.600 the rank, the tradition remains. Bob. Vatican two, one of 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:29.480 our viewers wrote, Vatican two had serious problems, even heresy 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:33.439 within that has not been addressed. What about the heresy 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.720 of modernism that's devastated the church in the past sixty years? 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:40.199 You would say, what, Well, as I mentioned earlier, I 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.040 think that Bishop Baron has a good grasp on that. 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.320 And you know, we just have to recognize that we 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:50.400 all live in a culture that is deeply marked by modernism, 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:54.280 which is to say, a kind of a materialistic scientific. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:55.480 View of the world. I mean, there's nothing wrong with 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:56.599 true science. 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.760 And the true study of the physical world, but that 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.920 has kind of encroached on our understanding of faith, of morals, 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.559 of what human beings are. Are we just animals or 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.080 are we something that go beyond that? And so I 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.719 think that this is not a cultural question that can 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:18.439 be solved very quickly. And some of these ambiguous statements 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.480 I would call them that came out of Vatican too, 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.600 were of course exploited by people who wanted to use 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.480 that modernism to advance progressive causes within the Church. Now, 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.320 in broader cultural terms, lots of people consider us to 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:36.120 be in postmodernism right now, which means that the old modernism, 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:41.560 that old materialism, scientific materialism, that's not so security longer. 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.640 I mean we see it in politics, we see it 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:48.880 in education. So there's a real opportunity for someone who 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:54.120 grasps deeply what's at stake, brings the graces and the 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.240 power of Christ into a culture that itself now is 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.360 searching groping around for what it's going to do. It 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.760 may take some serious restructuring of how people look back 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.280 at the Council and understand that as well. It's a 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.080 big task and it's one that I think the next 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.640 Pope has to undertake along with all the other things 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.439 that we've talked about with regard to sexual abuse, to 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:18.319 financial problems. That's a longer term problem, but we really 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.880 need to get on the case. John Paul and Benedict 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:24.319 started the response to it. I think we need to 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:27.080 take that forward very vigorously because in a century or so, 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:29.760 we could be in a very different culture unless we do. 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.360 Father. Here's an interesting question. Can a cardinal vote for 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.120 himself in a conclave? 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.800 A cardinal can vote for himself, accept in the runoff, 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:47.120 and it's a technicality. So yeah, a cardinal can vote 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.120 for himself in each round leading up to I guess 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.960 it's the thirty third round. So if they haven't elected 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.960 anybody by around thirty three, what they do is the 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.959 top two vote getters enter into a runoff. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:00.719 The cardinals. 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:04.120 The two cardinals who are in that category cannot vote 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.160 for themselves, so no one could say that they were 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:10.679 the deciding vote for themselves. And I think that's a 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:11.600 wise decision. 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.320 Well that was kind of a setup for this question 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.320 that one of our viewers has submitted, who would Jesus 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.040 vote for in the conclave? 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:28.360 Well, you know, until the runoff number one, the Good 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.720 Lord was not a cardinals, so you know he's the 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:35.720 he's the God incarnate who the cardinals worship and obey. 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:40.120 So no, and you know, in the free Will, in 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.680 the rather excuse me, in the gift of free will 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:48.120 to mankind, God left in the church decisions to be 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.920 made by us, not by God directly. So we believe 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:55.240 in providence, in God's help, but we do not believe that. 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:59.040 You know, God is voting in the Each cardinal votes, 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.520 and hopefully they vote in a godly way. But got 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.040 to remember there are a lot of good men in 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.360 that college, so voting for one and not another doesn't 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.120 mean you're doing something that defends God. 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.360 Yeah. Well, when I read that question, I thought, if 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.640 Jesus walks into the Sistine Chapel, I could promise you 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.040 they'll all vacate. There'll be no need to have a 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.920 vicar of Christ if you have Christ, right. Yeah, well, 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.520 well wait till he goes back to heaven and then 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:25.760 you have another conclave. I guess here's an interesting question, Bob. 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:31.120 This lady, she says, I am confused as to what 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.280 the cardinal How do the cardinals vote on the fourth day? 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.560 It says they have to take a pause on the 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:41.200 fourth day according to the constitution of conclave that John 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:45.680 Pauled a second drafted or wrote promulgated. Bob, do they 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.200 take a pause for the full day for prayer and 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.800 meditation or only for part of the day. 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.080 Yeah, we talked about this the other day, and I 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:57.040 think they have some latitude in what they're going to do. 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:58.760 They could take the whole day off, they could take 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:02.200 the half day off. And I think there's a certain 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.680 prudence that if people are exhausted or they feel that 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.360 they kind of have reached an impasse about where the 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.600 vote is going, maybe it's a good thing to take 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.760 a whole day. And if it's Sunday and they back 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.560 off and they have a chance to pray, go to 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.160 Mass and have a little bit of recreation and come 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:24.160 back afterwards. But I don't believe there's any requirement that 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.640 this be a full day or a half day. Will 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.800 no doubt find if it gets to that stage, will 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.000 no doubt find out how much the people who are 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.720 running the actual conclave feel that they need a break. 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:37.200 Father. 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.400 Why do the cardinals have to change their handwriting when 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:44.840 writing their ballot? This viewer said, I heard that they 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.600 have to disguise their handwriting. Is that true? 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:54.040 It is because the voting is anonymous. When you submit 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.640 your ballots, you don't put your name on it, and 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.640 when the ballots are deposited in the urn, those who 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.520 are counters are supposed to mix them up. So that's 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.400 like if you could see the last cardinal and he's 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.000 on the top of the stack and take his name 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:08.360 out first. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.200 Everybody know he voted for that person. So now the 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:15.200 goal here is to not allow the. 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:19.679 Individual names or votes to be known, so that it 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.199 can't be a form of moral persuasion or even you know, 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:26.040 kind of like a certain amount of coercion that you 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:29.679 have to vote with cardinals x set. Now, disguising handwriting 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:35.040 presumes that the counters will recognize the handwriting of the others. 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:39.560 In the modern world, very few people send letters by snail. 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:42.560 Mail, you know, they don't write out letters and email. 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.080 You know, there's no signature unless you use that automatic 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.879 signature thing which is always made up. So no one really, 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.960 I think, will know the handwriting. But some of them 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.440 may know the handwriting of each other. So yeah, disguising 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.119 it as best you can, that's just another means to 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.600 try to preserve the anonymity and privacy of what's happening. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.000 And I've known older cardinals who've gone in and they 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.040 have an inframani, who's a person, you know, basically a 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.520 nurse somebody to help them, and they can if the 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.960 cardinal can't write, if they have the sheiks or a tool. 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.639 They'll write the name for them and actually do that, 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.879 which I didn't realize. But those functions those people do. 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:20.040 Nurses if you will, they are allowed in, but they 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:24.320 too are under the oath of secrecy. Bob, What could 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.119 a group of Catholic cardinals do in the case and 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.000 I'm reading this and at the moment of the election 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.639 of a cardinal who is clearly heterodox or suspected of heterodoxy, 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.720 between the very brief moment of the proclamation of the 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:39.960 result of the vote and the moment when the elected 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.640 cardinal accepts the office, is there an option that would 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.920 allow Catholic cardinals to oppose an election on the grounds 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:49.960 that the elected man is not Catholic, is not truly Poppibaly. 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.360 I think the answer, unfortunately, is there's nothing that they 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.240 can do that. It's kind of like the popular vote 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:01.000 in a presidential election or whatever other type of election. 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:07.200 If the process has been followed, one hopes that both 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.760 because of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and the 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:13.520 prudence of the men in the room, that that would 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.840 not result in somebody who was obviously and openly heretical. 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:21.399 That would have been worked out before that I can't 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.960 imagine how they would know that at that given moment. 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.439 But it's a good thing to raise these issues because, 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.280 you know, funny things happen in the course of elections 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.159 and whatnot, and we know, you know people we started 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:36.320 out talking about how the conclave has not always been 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.120 carried out in this formula. We've had periods when there's 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:41.800 more than one pope and decisions have to be made 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.720 about who was actually the legitimate pope, and there have 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:49.160 been long periods of no pope at Also, we tend 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:51.640 to see these things the way we see other events 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.240 on television and through social media. In fact, someone has 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:58.360 said this is the first social media conclave where there's 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.360 almost instantaneous respect to what's happening. 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:02.080 And so if. 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.560 People were watching this see a figure who's elected who 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.760 they suspect of heterodoxy, they're gonna, you know, they're going 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.320 to react and they're hope that that someone can be saved. 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.000 This is a different kind of process. This is is 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:19.359 a slower, older type of process, and that can be frustrating, 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.880 but at the same time it may provide some safeguards. 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:28.080 Next question, what do the cardinals do in between votes? 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.359 Father do they talk amongst themselves. Do they get up 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.439 and speak, do they read? Do they pray? What's the 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.840 protocol for dinner's lunches and the in between periods in 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.480 the Sistine Chapel. I'll let you both talk about that. 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:40.800 Sure. 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.040 No, well, all of the above. You know, they're once 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.119 they leave the Sistine Chapel, then they're going to be 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.239 able to speak to each other. They get on the 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.000 bus which takes them that short distance from the Sistine 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:54.240 Chapel around the back of Saint Peter's over to the 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:55.200 Saint Martha House. 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:57.680 Inside they can take. 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:01.560 A walk, you know, around that area where there's a 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.800