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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Stepping on Toes. I am professional dancer

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Speaker 1: Danielle Fischel and.

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Speaker 2: I'm a celebrity podcaster val Chmerkovsky.

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Speaker 1: It is week two of Dancing with the Stars. The

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Speaker 1: next pro ten contestants remain. Last week we said goodbye

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Speaker 1: to Briar and Jake, and we saw some stiff competition.

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Speaker 1: It feels like everyone is so good and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: come down to every single performance, and it gets us

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Speaker 1: very excited for season thirty five. Well, I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of our listeners want to know how much you

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Speaker 1: are aware of before the show starts. Do you know

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Speaker 1: any celebrities that will be on the show? Do you

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Speaker 1: know who your partner is already? Will you do the

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Speaker 1: knee walk again?

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Speaker 2: I think I retired the New York I mean, forget

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Speaker 2: the season. I did it ninety seven times on the

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Speaker 2: road tour. But no, that was such a fun time.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully I'll be able to create something else that goes

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Speaker 2: viral exactly like like a.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, something that's not as hard on the knees.

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Speaker 2: Made something a little more stationary. But yeah, no, there's

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Speaker 2: always whispers. I think, like you know you've been in

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Speaker 2: this industry. In any business, there's whispers, you know, before

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Speaker 2: any big project, but I try to respectfully keep my

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Speaker 2: distance from the gossip. I have a great relationship with

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Speaker 2: the show. I continue to hopefully be desirable by the

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Speaker 2: production and they continue to bring me back, and I

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Speaker 2: don't really get involved in all the gossip beforehand. You

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Speaker 2: know who they give me is who they give me. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I can't complain. I've been very lucky with the

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Speaker 2: way Dancing with the Stars a streeting me in regards

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Speaker 2: to partners. So I trust the process and whoever I get,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do my best with. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's so funny. I asked you the question, like,

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Speaker 1: do you know who your partner is? And you reminded

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Speaker 1: me in the most diplomatic way. I'm not even sure

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Speaker 1: they're asking me back. You guys. You guys find that

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Speaker 1: out kind of in the eleventh hour, whether or not

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Speaker 1: you have a partner, because who they cast and who

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Speaker 1: then kind of determines who the pros need to be,

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Speaker 1: how many men, how many women, how tall they need

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Speaker 1: to be. Totally, so yeah, everyone always asked, are you

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Speaker 1: sure you didn't know who your partner was? I'm like

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Speaker 1: it is one. Not even one second point five seconds

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Speaker 1: before I walked in, they were like, his name's Pasha.

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Speaker 1: And then the door opened and I was like, it's

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Speaker 2: It is it is, it is real. And yes, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of uncertainty, a lot of hope, a lot

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Speaker 2: all these years, and I think now we've built a

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Speaker 2: certain resilience to it. But it's again, it's it's hard

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Speaker 2: for everybody. It's a live show. Yeah, there's really very

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Speaker 2: little pre production happening outside of the casting. I think

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Speaker 2: it's a really difficult puzzle to piece together. I think

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Speaker 2: our casting director does a great job. And yes, the

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Speaker 2: compatibility of the celebs being casted with the pros that

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Speaker 2: also nuanced. The good thing about this is that I

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Speaker 2: am a perfect height.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're also just a perfect person.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, the thing got the look, so

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Speaker 1: Yes, I figured people should know. They taped this next

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Speaker 1: pro show in Australia while you were on tour, which

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Speaker 1: means the guest judges had to fly in for just

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Speaker 2: It was? It was insane, It was it was exciting. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: I've given myself you know, I had five years off

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Speaker 2: kind of last year gave myself the license to really

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Speaker 2: you know, like I want to. In the previous episode,

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Speaker 2: I gave you a Russian phrase.

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Speaker 1: About you know, breath before the this No matter how

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I embraced it. But yes, it was a

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Speaker 2: we did it. It was hard on the pros leaving.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about the swings Anya

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Speaker 1: I mean, you and I laughed every single night about

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Speaker 1: whether or not we were going to get tambourines, right, yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: Coming into episode two of the next pro how are

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Speaker 1: That's right. Welcome them in and also kind of stop,

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Speaker 1: enjoy your stay, see you later. So we start with

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Speaker 1: a little recap of last week's show, reminding us of

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Speaker 1: what has happened so far, and then here comes our host,

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Speaker 1: the greatest Australian exports since Tim TAM's. It's Robert Irwin.

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Speaker 1: He reintroduces the judges, Shirley and Mark Ballas, and then

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Speaker 1: What do you think makes Brandon such a great asset

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Speaker 2: I wrote in my notes, Yep, Brandon smashed.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah he did.

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Speaker 2: Brendan did a great job. By the way, you know,

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Speaker 2: Jen always corrects me. It's it's Brandon.

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Speaker 2: I think Brandon did a great job. I'm proud of

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Speaker 2: I looked at Brandon for a long time as one

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Speaker 2: Well he's not friends with us.

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Speaker 2: Single day after the tour ends, he just ghoests the

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Speaker 1: You, I have texted Brandon about many things. I've never

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just text his wife. But yeah, No, Brandon did

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Speaker 1: Well, just like Derek last week. Brandon arrives with an

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Speaker 1: that it changed his life. We see that some of

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Speaker 2: These kids, man, generation is so emotional.

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Speaker 1: They are I know you had some thick skin.

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Speaker 2: that's so what's the theme of this episode storytelling?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fittingly. This week's challenge, like we said, is all

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Speaker 1: about storytelling. The contestants are paired into couples to use

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Speaker 2: your life.

436
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and these are things that like doing Dancing with

437
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: the Stars and seeing the way the packages all turn out,

438
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: you can't predict these things. You can't predict that you're

439
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: going to end up having three couples that tell three

440
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: totally different stories, one couple that just seems to have

441
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: such an incredible connection, and everything falls into place so easy,

442
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 1: another couple that's like, okay, he's pushing her hip with

443
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: his foot, and then a couple in between is like,

444
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: are you listening to me? I'm not sure what to do.

445
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: Like it's so well done that you get to see

446
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: all the different scenarios that could happen in partnerships where

447
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: you have to work together totally. And even if all

448
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: the decisions happened easily, we'll tell your story. We'll tell

449
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: your story. It actually didn't all come together easily.

450
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think again, it's like you're only as

451
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: good as your partner. Yeah, and so if you keep

452
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: that in the forefront of your kind of like like

453
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,479
Speaker 2: just the way you approach it, that that's my approach.

454
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean that I don't have an ego, doesn't mean

455
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: that I you know, well we all know I do.

456
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean that I'm like, yes, man, but

457
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: I lead with that. I lead in shadow position, you know,

458
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,959
Speaker 2: I I don't. I try not to lead with with

459
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: with just brute force, like it's not my way or

460
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: the highway, it's our way. Especially on this show, no

461
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: one's a celebrity and no one's a professional. And that's

462
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: why when I was watching the the aj Selena package.

463
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: To me, it felt like you're already on Dancing on

464
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 2: the Stars and you're not right. So again, enough with that.

465
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: I get he doesn't deserve all of that. It's definitely redeemable.

466
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: I like that. You but that that was a that

467
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: was a very you know, that wasn't a moment I enjoyed.

468
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: Okay, Alan and Adele are analyzing their routine looking to

469
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: incorporate a lift into their dance, which makes Adele very nervous.

470
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: She did not seem like she was super excited by

471
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: this lift idea.

472
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 2: Again because this rolls Royce doesn't fly.

473
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't have wings.

474
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: It doesn't have wings, not yet.

475
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: How to grip the floor?

476
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: And again that isn't that it's such a I think

477
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: that's what makes this so exciting, And I think that's

478
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: why ballroom translated in this format, because it is so

479
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: opposite of the not the showmanship, but the trickery, the

480
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: circuit silay that people love to see. Like a fundamentally,

481
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: ballroom is not that we talk about wow moments. The

482
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: wow moment, at least for me, is always the intensity

483
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: and the relationship between the two people. It isn't how

484
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: far I could throw her up in the air and

485
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 2: catch her, even though again that that exuberance is also important.

486
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 2: But borm dance structurally also is a very grounded dance,

487
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: and so I could see why she's I mean again,

488
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 2: And when you excel in one, you know, in that

489
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: craft so so much like as she does, you're going

490
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: to find the challenging too. All of a sudden, be.

491
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Speaker 1: Lifted, jump into my hands. I promise I won't drop you.

492
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, it's the.

493
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: Most romantic thing over here.

494
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: Surrender, Surrender to my arms. That night, back at the house,

495
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: Nina confides in the group that she and Benji are

496
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: having a struggle coexisting, but Benji thinks sometimes she's just

497
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: not willing to listen, and privately he isn't so sure

498
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: about the linear nature of her story.

499
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: He's just he's it's a kid from Miami sharing space

500
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 2: with the chick from the tri state New York area.

501
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: That's all it is, is just another conversation, I guess. No,

502
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: I mean again, she's a strong personality. She's has the

503
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: I guess, the track record to speak her truth, you know,

504
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: I mean, she's also an accomplished competitor she's not a child.

505
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: She runs her own business. I mean, this is a woman.

506
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: Yeah and she Yeah, she's commanding the space. But again,

507
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: just like with AJ, this is not just your competition,

508
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: And just because we chose your story or to tell

509
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you're the only person leading this this ship.

510
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you know, maybe it got in

511
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: her mind while we're being judged individually, and so she

512
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: didn't care as much about how he presented. But when

513
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: you are in a partnership, if you're both dancing, you

514
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: should very much care how the other person looks, because

515
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: it's only gonna make you look better if they look

516
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: totally totally, gonna make you look worse if they don't totally.

517
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: Again the cliche phrase, you know that rumba is the

518
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: dance of love, but it's it's also the woman's dance,

519
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: you know, And it's even more so than any other style.

520
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: This is a style that really presents the lady. And

521
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: so again, huge opportunity because I think men look the

522
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: strongest when they're presenting their ladies, not when they make

523
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: it about themselves. I think that there's a real strength

524
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: and masculinity to that. But again, like I said, earlier,

525
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: I don't think the rumba really fit his strengths right, And.

526
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: The next morning, with just one day left until the performance,

527
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: Benji apologizes at rehearsal, he brought her food as a

528
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: peace offering, and now everyone is working out the kings

529
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: and their routines with some help from Brandon. He thinks

530
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: AJ's routine has too many bells and whistles to tell

531
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: a story. He also isn't so sure about Stephanie and

532
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,719
Speaker 1: Tristan and whether or not their moves are working with

533
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: their goal. He doesn't think Eric and Natalie are gelling

534
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: as people and is questioning if Nina's story is clear enough.

535
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: And Brandon really comes across like a great coach.

536
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did a great job, he's Yeah, he was

537
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: very in tune with what they were going through and

538
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: offered some really great insight. I think. Yeah, No, he

539
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: checked out. He was awesome and he you know, he

540
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: called out the things that needed to be called out too.

541
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he didn't shy away from speaking the truth.

542
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: No, and I agree with him. I mean, again, doing

543
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: a jive to tell a story? You know, it's funny

544
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: as we talk about who made what choices and in

545
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: regards to who it's like. In that same breadth, the

546
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: jive isn't necessarily the most feminine right to dance to

547
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: dance either, right, so he definitely not wasn't supposed to

548
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: be Selena's moment to shine, you know. And again that's

549
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: a testament to when you got it, you got it. Yeah,

550
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: and I love her for that. She said, I'm here

551
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: to work and you keep yep, it's cool, all right,

552
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: and then she delivered Yeah.

553
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: On the other side of the spectrum, Brandon is very

554
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: impressed with Adam and Adele. Again. Everyone rehearses through the night,

555
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: leading to back at the house Human Kangaroo Baby. Robert

556
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: Irwin decides to meet with Alan to talk about his

557
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: very important story, and Robert, of course knows all about

558
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: what Alan is going through. Both of them lost their

559
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: parents a young age, and of utilized dance to deal

560
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: with grief. Alan thinks this is going to be the

561
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: closest he's felt to his mom since her passing. It's

562
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: very sweet to see Robert be able to.

563
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, totally. I mean, if anybody can relate, Yeah,

564
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: that was a great moment in the show. I think again,

565
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: I love that the show doesn't just highlight dance, but

566
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: really highlights human stories and you know these moments and

567
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: that these guys are all available to tell these stories

568
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: and do so so openly. Yeah. But yeah, I mean,

569
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: Alan is he's that, he's sincere, he's gentle, and you

570
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: know he's been through a lot, and he genuinely loves

571
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: this thing. He loves dance a lot.

572
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: Now it's time for the competition. Robert welcomes everyone back

573
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: to the ballroom, reintroducing our judges. Now with Brandon in

574
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: the third seat. The first couple is Natalie and Eric,

575
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: who will perform a Viennese waltz. To hold my hand

576
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: with the story of Natalie's journey from Hong Kong to

577
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: America surely reminds us that she had concerns about both

578
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: of their confidence last week. Do we think this was

579
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: some attempt at a redemption dance for the two of them?

580
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: Maybe they did a Viennese waltz, So not about the dance,

581
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: but just about like she was worried about their confidence

582
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: last week and then this week.

583
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, you you gain confidence when you're

584
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: more in your element. Yeah, I think this was in

585
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: Natalie's element. She's an expert in this In this style,

586
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: you could accomplish a lot of things when you're confident, right,

587
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: and so I think there was already a built in

588
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: confidence in the fact that, Okay, I need to redeem

589
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: myself for sure, but I'm at least in a genre

590
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: that that will allow me to do so. Yeah, and

591
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: then Eric, again like perfect partner, did a great job

592
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: packages I mean all of it. And the performance was excellent.

593
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: I know, I thought it was excellent. I don't think

594
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: that they had as much of like an emotional impact,

595
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: but that wasn't the story she was saying. I mean, yes,

596
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: it was emotional, but it you know, it wasn't sorry,

597
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: it was more empowering. It was that it was like

598
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: it was a really sound dance. I know, the like

599
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: I said, I know that the the the assignment was storytelling,

600
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: but it's still got to be a really good dance

601
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: and gotta be technically sound. And this was like a

602
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: plus for me.

603
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: Well, the judges agreed with you. Surely thinks that Natalie

604
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: found her confidence this week. She called it divine to

605
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: watch and compared Eric to Prince Charming, calling him a

606
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: perfect partner.

607
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: I could have just called him Prince Eric.

608
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: Prince Eric an opportunity missed opportunity for Prince Eric. You know,

609
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,719
Speaker 1: she loved it. Brandon liked it in practice, but loved

610
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: it tonight and thinks they both did amazing. It was

611
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: a great showing by all accounts.

612
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: And now time that was a great clean It was

613
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: like really digestible, you know, it was like it wasn't

614
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: too much, it was just it was perfect.

615
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: I know. Shirley said, this is going to be a

616
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: hard act to follow. And and next up was Benji

617
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: and Nina, so who a partnership that was having some

618
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: difficulty follows what ended up being kind of a perfect performance.

619
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: They danced to Harry's styles signed at the times in

620
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: a rumba.

621
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 2: Uh.

622
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, surely yelled off balance mid routine and

623
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: I felt so bad for her for but it's true.

624
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: What did you think of the performance?

625
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: I love it of Shirley's performance.

626
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: No, no, What did you think of Benji plus Shirley?

627
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I thought it was very disconnected. I thought

628
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: that she was like back leading. I don't know for

629
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 2: those that are not familiar with it, again, it's action reaction,

630
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: It's not it's not a matter of I lead you follow.

631
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: It's never that. But it's just like driving a car

632
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: if one person has to steer the wheel right and

633
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: we could take turns. It's not just my car. We

634
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: could both. We could both Daniel drive the.

635
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: Rolls for sure, drive it the first hour. I could

636
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: drive it the next hour.

637
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. But we're not both hands on, not at

638
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: the same time. So that's what I mean by that.

639
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: And it felt like she was again just kind of

640
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: taking the lead. And what happens then if it completely

641
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 2: takes away any sort of responsibility from from like and

642
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: when I say responsibility, I mean like you are my purpose,

643
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 2: My whole purpose and especially this dance is to create

644
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: and initiate your movement and help support your movement. But

645
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: if you have completely taken me out of that equation

646
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 2: and are just now doing a you know, a contemporary

647
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: looking rumba without you know, I don't need no man,

648
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: maybe that is that was but it left him completely

649
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: homeless as far as like, okay, now what do I do?

650
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: And yeah, it was I said it in the beginning,

651
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: like it was a perfect storm of he did the

652
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: right thing, but it didn't serve him. Yeah, and yeah,

653
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: and you felt it again it was very disconnected.

654
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: Well, Brandon keeps it one hundred and says he found

655
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: it disjointed. Mark asks how rehearsal was, and they both

656
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: agreed they had some communication issues. Benji does take some

657
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: accountability and admits he was confused himself and he could

658
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: have spoken up. Surely thinks the stance was a disservice

659
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: to Benji and points out that Nina didn't service his

660
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: work correctly. And then we have Stephanie in trist In

661
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: performing a rumba to Dreaming of You by Selena. Robert

662
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: thought these two were connected and very much in sync.

663
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: What did you think of the two of them?

664
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: I agreed with Shirley. I think the technique was a plus,

665
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: but it was it was the attentiveness from Tristan to

666
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: Stephanie and her again her embracing that. I mean, she

667
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: reciprocated that. Again, back to talk about shadow position. I

668
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: know this isn't going to be visual. People use your imagination,

669
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: but there's a constant connection. And the most obvious are

670
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: the eyes, obviously, but there's even just awareness and just

671
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: an you don't have to stare at me to connect

672
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: to me, but there's a warmth that I that I

673
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: include you on right, and I thought that they had that.

674
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: Plus on top of that, I don't think there's anything

675
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: more powerful than you know, just kind of the focus

676
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: and the fact that he didn't take his eyes off

677
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: of her. That in itself, you know, because as much

678
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: as we focus on technique and this and that and

679
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: the perfect placing over the whatever whatever, Ultimately, when I'm

680
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: watching someone perform, I'm looking in their face and their

681
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: eyes yea, And it's when they lose me there that

682
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 2: I start to pay attention if the toes are point

683
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: or not. And so when I'm looking at his eyes

684
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: and they're constantly attending to her, I'm not even paying

685
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: attention to is his foot pointed? It's his technique perfect,

686
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 2: and so that's you know, it's such a small difference,

687
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: but that's what allowed Tristan, who also isn't a master

688
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: of ballroom of lamba technique and partnering. Maybe he has

689
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: more or less. I don't know what Benji's experience and

690
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: that is, but because his partner was available for him

691
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: to connect with and he was able to really help,

692
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: you know, just again, it was her dance. Still, she

693
00:38:54,360 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: was definitely showcased, but he shined because he helped her be showcased.

694
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: And isn't that the beautiful paradox of it all? You know,

695
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: It's like the more you give, the more you'll get yep,

696
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: And the more you take, most likely you'll have a lot, but.

697
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: No one will like it exactly to watch anymore.

698
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: So I just love that. I love how that translated

699
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: the fact that he was really there for her, and

700
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: and she looked exquisite. I thought she nailed it.

701
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: The judges completely agreed with you. They mentioned that they

702
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: did want them to work more on their technique, but

703
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: they thought they worked really well together. They told a

704
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: nice story, and they found it so impressive that Tristan

705
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: never took his eyes off of Stephanie. And now we

706
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: have Aj and Selena performing a fast paced jive to

707
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: run Away Baby by Bruno Mars.

708
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: She wanted to That's what she wanted.

709
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: We are reminded that last week the judges thought Aj

710
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: played it too safe when he also performed a jive. Uh,

711
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: and then Shirley was confused, why did Aj choose a

712
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: jive again after being told he played it safe last week?

713
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: And then he repeated some of the same moves with

714
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: that though she thought Selena ate aj for lunch and

715
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: that she is truly amazing. Brandon thought the story wasn't

716
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: very relatable, and Mark thought it was technically great, but

717
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: it was it was missing some giddy up oomph. And

718
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: there's a very funny moment here too, where Shirley says

719
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: Brandon and Mark were very kind with their critiques, and

720
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: Mark laughs saying she hid enough of the harsh points

721
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: by herself.

722
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I agree with them kind of collectively

723
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: individually I phrase it differently, but yeah, there was zero story. Yeah,

724
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that was zero story. But it was

725
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: a really good dance.

726
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

727
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: So I again, it's like, was the assignment here? And

728
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: if the assignment was to tell a story, then there

729
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 2: was no story at all, not even remotely. But again,

730
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: how do you tell a story? But like like that, right,

731
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: there's ways, there's creative ways you know, they could have

732
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, if props were available, maybe the trophy

733
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: gets thrown in at the last second behind the camera.

734
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: There's ways to again on a low budget or a

735
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 2: no budget. Yeah again, when you do this show long enough,

736
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: there's ways to enhance your story even though it's really

737
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 2: hard to tell.

738
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, a story definitely has a beginning, a middle, end,

739
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: an end, and so there has to be a bit

740
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: of a journey in a story and a.

741
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 2: Giant Yeah, like she could have stuck a velcro number

742
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: on his back, you know, like tell the story of

743
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: being on a competition. I don't think they had any

744
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: of those elements.

745
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: No, it was just a celebratory give of I won.

746
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, which again I wish he could have included that,

747
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: and that would have wrapped it up nicer. Yeah, which

748
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 2: is after you win a competition. A lot of time,

749
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: they don't do that in Blackpool, I don't think, But

750
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: in a lot of competitions, we do what's called an

751
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: honor dance, and so the winner, after receiving their award,

752
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: they play a song of their choice and they come

753
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: out and they do like a solo dance, just one

754
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: last time. So he could have said, like, look, we

755
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: don't have a real narrative throughout the piece, but the

756
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: piece itself is what tells the story of winning Blackpool,

757
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: you know. So you gotta be a little bit of

758
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 2: a wordsmith in this game too. Yeah, you gotta make

759
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: a story where it's where there isn't. But again I

760
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: thought zero story, but the dance was excellent. Yeah, and

761
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: now you know that leads to the next thing. It's

762
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: like part of storytelling or being an effective performers. If

763
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: you don't have a really clear narrative like you said, beginning, middle,

764
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 2: and end, then you gotta lead with your own personality

765
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: and emotions and like your story that you're creating in

766
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: the moment with your partner. And so I thought. I thought,

767
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: like I said, they did enough of that. I would

768
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: still love to see him being more supportive Chris partner.

769
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 2: But I thought that she still did really well because

770
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: she don't need no man.

771
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: That's right. She showcased herself.

772
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: She killed it, killed it again, two styles completely different.

773
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: A jive is less dependent on your partner than the rumba.

774
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: But like I said, I think she killed it, and

775
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: the dance itself was really great. I do have to

776
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 2: disagree on the omph and the pace of the routine.

777
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: I thought it had ophin pace. I thought I thought

778
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: it was perfect. I know they mentioned something about slowing

779
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: down in the beginning or I don't remember if it

780
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: was in this dance or different dance, But I thought

781
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: the dance itself was great.

782
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: Okay, Yep. Our final dance is Alan and Adele who

783
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: are going to Rumba to see You Again by Wiz Khalifa,

784
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: a tribute to Alan's deceased mother. Now, there was so

785
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: much emotion in this one. What did you think of

786
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: these two favorites working together in this fireball of emotion.

787
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is what you get when you

788
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: this is what you get. This is what you get,

789
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 2: shout out Sherman. But this is what you get when

790
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: you get two quality dancers come together, like he is

791
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: a craftsman of this of this art, and she's excellent

792
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: of this art. And together they did the most I

793
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: guess quintessential ballroom dance outside of the walls, which is

794
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: the rumba, And just that's magic, you know. I mean,

795
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: that's the essence of why the show has been on

796
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: air for you know, thirty five seasons now going on

797
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: to thirty five seasons is because of that, Because when

798
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: you bring two exceptional ballroom dancers together, you're probably gonna

799
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: get a really quality ballroom dance. Yeah, And that's what

800
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 2: they did, and they were able to tell a story.

801
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: And I think on top of that, he had a

802
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: real genuine connection to the story that you know. I mean,

803
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: it was like a perfect performance. I thought.

804
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: Alan and Adele are very emotional. Sureley and Brandon tear up.

805
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: Their fellow contestants and Robert are also in tears. Brandon

806
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: calls the performance beautiful and says he will remember it

807
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: until the day he dies. Mark is very impressed and

808
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: looks forward to working with both of them. Shirley calls

809
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: it by far the best performance of the night and

810
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful things she's ever witnessed.

811
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's witnessed a lot of things. I mean she's

812
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: up there.

813
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: She's up there. Yeah, she's witnessed a lot. She's the

814
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: founding mother of all dance as.

815
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: We said, Yeah, no, totally. I mean again, it's like

816
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: there's a great dance and at the same time, it

817
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: evoked the emotion that we're looking for and did so authentically. Again,

818
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: it's also nuanced, which is so exciting. But also, you know,

819
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 2: it's not like two plus two is four, right, these

820
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: two could have bounced off of each other, but they

821
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: really integrated together and they did well together, and she

822
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,479
Speaker 2: was But again, also it's not like just standing there

823
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 2: with an emotional face, like you still got to dance

824
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 2: really well? And I thought they danced really well.

825
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: Yeah they did so, yes, story.

826
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: Yes, emotions, but also on the backdrop of really really

827
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: excellent and impressive movement. Yeah.

828
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: Well, now it's the moment we all dread. It's the

829
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: elimination time. Robert sets the stage and he asks Mark

830
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: who is in jeopardy? And it is Nina and Benji,

831
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: the couple who had a tough week with not only

832
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: their dance but their communication and their ability to work together.

833
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: Do you think that was the right move? Is that

834
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: the couple that should have been on the chopping block

835
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: this week?

836
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I thought. I thought they were the weakest

837
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: performance of the evening unfortunately, but yeah, I thought that

838
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: that was the right Definitely the bottom two were correct.

839
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: I think if aside from performance, if in only the

840
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: second week, you can't fix communication issues when someone just

841
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: says I feel like you're not listening to me. The

842
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: odds of you now being able to be paired with

843
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: any celebrity and you're going to be able to have

844
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: confidence walking into a scenario where you're going to be

845
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: able to overcome almost anything they throw at you, and

846
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: let's be honest, celebs are a weird bunch. We could

847
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: throw a lot at our pros. I feel like they

848
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: deserved to be in the bottom two just for that,

849
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: because I didn't really see them ever truly dig in

850
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: deep and work on fixing it. It was just kind

851
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: of like, well, I'm sorry, you don't think I'm a

852
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: good listener, and so now let's get back to my story.

853
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah again, And somebody said it, I think Derek

854
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 2: said in the first episode and therapist. Yes, So like yeah,

855
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: you're you're a coach, you're a choreographer, but you or

856
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: also a therapist. You have to be again, also, you

857
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: got to be available as a human to be there

858
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: for someone else. That's like a whole different quality that

859
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: it isn't for everybody. Yeah, And and that's there's no judgment, no,

860
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: but that's not that's not a successful pro on our show.

861
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 2: I don't know one pro that's been successful on our

862
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 2: show that has just had no ability to communicate.

863
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: Over or listen exactly. That's why they need some work

864
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: in that still. And that's so I thought they were

865
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: this was the right move. When all is said and done,

866
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: surely reveals that Benji has been eliminated on his way,

867
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: he gives a few final classy words, thanking everyone for

868
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: the opportunity, but on the.

869
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 2: Way out, he slashed Nina's.

870
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: Tired allegedly allegedly.

871
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: Sorry illegal, No, I you know it's interesting. After the

872
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: first episode, I was like, yo, I could see this

873
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 2: kid as a pro just because of his look, even

874
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: though he's I got the long hair now. But no,

875
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: he just he just had it. He really had it.

876
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: It's but this is the show, you know, somebody good

877
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 2: is going to go and and and it's.

878
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: A tough job exactly, And he now knows some areas

879
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: for opportunity for growth for him. He needs to stand

880
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: up for himself a little more, needs to be better

881
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 1: at communicating.

882
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: But again, he did the right thing. I don't want

883
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: him to like live in regret or or feel like,

884
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: you know, yeah he was he got the shorter end

885
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: of the stick. He just again he ran into something

886
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: that he next time moving forward, he'll be a little

887
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 2: bit you know, he'll consider that aspect of the game,

888
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 2: which is like, what are my strengths and how am

889
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: I constantly positioning myself right now? That doesn't mean that

890
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: you're only doing the thing you're good at. That's boring.

891
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: You have to push yourself, but in this competition, you

892
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: have to lead at least with that and then try

893
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 2: to conquer all the other things. But yeah, I thought

894
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 2: Benji is very talented and hopefully he continues to dance.

895
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: I know he will.

896
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: He will for sure. Robert choreographs a final hug between

897
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: the contestants and he wishes us a good night. So

898
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: now we've seen two episodes, do you feel like you're

899
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: narrowing down your male favorite anymore? And is Adele still

900
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: your favorite female?

901
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 2: I mean, Adele really had a breakout that first, I

902
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: know that well. First and second, I thought that she

903
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: was excellent. I know it's Alan's story and it was

904
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: an Alan moment, but but she you know, I think

905
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: she supported that story very well and elevated that piece

906
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: and helped him and all of that. It was a

907
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: great partner, Like she just nailed it. So I thought

908
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: that this was a great episode for her. Selena is

909
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: like making an impact. She's just but I know, like

910
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 2: I've seen Selena shine like this for years on the

911
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 2: male side against Stephanie. Stephanie's excellent.

912
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: Stephanie's not on the male side, No, no, no, no, no, Okay.

913
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: People can't see my thinking face.

914
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: I can see it.

915
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 2: Thanks for reiterating the people. Yeah, and on the male side,

916
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: I think again, Eric is a stand alan obviously. AJ. Look, AJ,

917
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: I don't mean this disrespectfully. I think he's an excellent dancer. Yeah,

918
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: definitely has earned his voice in this space. But nobody,

919
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 2: no matter how many championships you win, earns, you know, ever,

920
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: earns the ability to make someone else feel less then.

921
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that he necessarily had those intentions.

922
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 2: I'm not. But even in the package, the rehearsal package,

923
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this, they didn't show

924
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: her crying, but you see Selena when she's given her interview,

925
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 2: she like she had been crying what it looked like.

926
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: And so I'm like, bro, no, that's you know, you

927
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: don't need that. And it's like I said, maybe it's

928
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 2: a good TV, maybe it's not, but you don't need that.

929
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: You could be firm, I mean, like you could be

930
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 2: stern rather and and still uplifting. You have to have

931
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 2: you have to have that.

932
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: Tack, especially as a pro on Dancing with the Stars.

933
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: You were going to catch more flies with honey than

934
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 1: you are Vinegar.

935
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 2: Danielle, like Selena is just a sweetheart who's trying to

936
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 2: earn her keep. But like, if he was with you,

937
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: and you're also a sweetheart, but what were.

938
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: You going to say there?

939
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: You would be like, grab this choke and kick him back.

940
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: Exactly what are you doing with that foot?

941
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: I think again, I think there's a balance. I'm also

942
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: I'm also not like an angel, and I understood the

943
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 2: utility of their foot. I don't want to also continue

944
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 2: to talk about the same thing. Aj I'm sure I

945
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: don't know him as a person, so I'm sure he's wonderful,

946
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: But just be careful with that.

947
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: Like, and votes are very important on Dancing with the Stars.

948
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: They may not be important on the next pro because

949
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: they're not voting.

950
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 2: But totally and also, don't make your life harder than

951
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: it already is. Like it's already a challenge, and when

952
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: you're pron and dancing with it's already going to be hard.

953
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 2: Like I just again, I've done the show for so long,

954
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 2: I've seen pros. I've seen myself look awful on TV

955
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: because I overstepped my ambitions, right, and so you got

956
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 2: to learn from that. So hopefully he learns from that.

957
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 2: I hope he, you know, had had feedback on that, Yeah,

958
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: and moving forward kind of changes that up.

959
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: That is a good point too, because I have certainly

960
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: been unaware of how something I have said or the

961
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: tone I've used comes across, Like in my head, I

962
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: hear it a certain way, and then I'll like hear

963
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: it played back for me on camera and I'm like, oh,

964
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: that didn't sound the way I intended. So hopefully he

965
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: watches the episode and sees how it comes across and says, wow,

966
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: I was not proud of myself in that moment, and

967
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: I can learn from this, because that is We're all

968
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: going to make mistakes. No one's ever going to have

969
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: a perfect season where they go, look at me, I

970
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: didn't ever screw up. We all make mistakes. There has

971
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: to be room to make mistakes. But if you can

972
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: learn from them and you can grow from them, then great.

973
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: So hopefully totally we see some change from him moving forward.

974
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: Totally, And like, again, I'm not perfect. I have at

975
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: least two of those type of days throughout the season. Yeah,

976
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: and some have more, some have less. I definitely overstep

977
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 2: my authority and my ambition, and I want the best

978
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: for you. And in the name of the best for you,

979
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 2: I'm going to make you feel like like I have

980
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 2: those days. Yeah, because also I come from that type

981
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 2: of background. You know, not not to excuse myself from that,

982
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 2: because I'm an adult and I can't blame my background anymore.

983
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: You know, you've done your growth, you've done your work,

984
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: and you know how to communicate better. But we grew

985
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: up at a time when it was like, you know,

986
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 2: it was physical to get you where you needed to be,

987
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: let alone, verbally semi abusive, you know. So it's like

988
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: he needs to change that. That isn't what you're signing

989
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 2: up for, respectfully, and that doesn't mean that you can't

990
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: get the work done. I had a partner, Sochi who

991
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 2: was who I that coincidence? We want, we want? But

992
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 2: she was I think she was seventeen at the time

993
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: or eight. No, No, I think she was seventeen, you know, seventeen.

994
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: I thought she was seventeen.

995
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: Anyway, The point is young, young woman. But she had

996
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: so much joy and flair and just she just loved it,

997
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 2: and she was so talented. A lot of things came

998
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: naturally for her, a lot of but she also showed

999
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: up and worked really hard and so like. But when

1000
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 2: we ran into that, overstep a little bit because again,

1001
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: it's not because you're not doing well. I just feel

1002
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 2: like if it doesn't hurt, then you're not doing enough.

1003
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: You know. It's like, but bro, what right? And when

1004
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 2: I say heard, I mean figuratively speaking, like if it's

1005
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: not hard, then are we pushing enough?

1006
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: Right?

1007
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, you gotta change that mindset, you know.

1008
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: And she actually put me on and I was checked

1009
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 2: by this younger person who like, we sat down after

1010
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: one of those hard rehearsals and she was like, I

1011
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: don't I don't like that, Like, I don't want to

1012
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 2: do this like that.

1013
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to feel like that.

1014
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 2: I don't want to feel like that. If I'm not

1015
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: having fun, you're not going to get anything from me. Like,

1016
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: that's not that is not the energy in which I

1017
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: thrive And now different people different totally. I thrive in

1018
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 2: that energy right again, But that's my background, that's that's

1019
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 2: my upbringing. But that's not for everybody. And that's another

1020
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 2: part of this show that's so important. You have to adjust.

1021
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: It's not your way.

1022
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: You have to pivot.

1023
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: It is not a way, is not Bow's way. It's

1024
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: not Mark's way. It's the way of your partner and

1025
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 2: the the you know, the person that's in front of you,

1026
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: who you're trying to lead in in this thing, and

1027
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 2: who's taking this incredible leap of faith and trust and

1028
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 2: puts puts that trust in you, and it's so vulnerable,

1029
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: like you have to support that, not just push that.

1030
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 2: Sometimes you need to catch that. Mm hmm. And yeah

1031
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: that's my spiel.

1032
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: Well, thank you very much. That is the end of

1033
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: episode two. It's in the books. We will continue to

1034
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: be here weekly, watching on as we get closer and

1035
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: closer to crowning Season thirty fives and newest pro. And

1036
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: in the meanwhile, come say hello to valin me and

1037
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: all the other Dancing with the Stars pros like Hannah Brown,

1038
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: Sasha Farber, Jan Ravnik, Whitney Carson Riley, Arnold Sochi Gomez

1039
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: and so many more at Dancing with the Stars Fan

1040
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,080
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1041
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: in Palm Springs. Limited tickets are still available now at

1042
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: dwts con dot com. Thank you everyone for listening. We'll

1043
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: see you next week.

1044
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: I'll be taking off my shirt at the con at

1045
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 2: the con, Yeah, a couple of times.

1046
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: Now, we just sold five thousand tickets