Speaker 1: What's that ad?
Speaker 2: It's spooky, I'm yooky. I'm really sure's dead it's coming
Speaker 2: this way.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, hey, I said.
Speaker 2: I Nandas.
Speaker 3: Please Hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted
Speaker 3: by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people
Speaker 3: that I like about things that are freaky and teaky
Speaker 3: and cheeky. Did you have a good October?
Speaker 2: I mean I had an October to remember, to say
Speaker 2: the least. I just want to thank everybody for all
Speaker 2: of your support and for listening to me talking NonStop
Speaker 2: about the TV show that I get to be on
Speaker 2: called Living for the Dead, which is now out on
Speaker 2: Hulu and you can watch it everywhere all over the world.
Speaker 2: I really, I really appreciate it, guys, and I'm so
Speaker 2: happy that you've loved the show. And I've just heard
Speaker 2: so many nice things. So thank you very much. And
Speaker 2: now October is over and it's just you and me.
Speaker 2: It's the real ones, the real spooky bitches have stuck
Speaker 2: around the party, So welcome to November. I got to
Speaker 2: talk to the brilliant musician Nico Case, who is a
Speaker 2: return guest on the show. We will get into that
Speaker 2: in just a moment again. I got some tour dates
Speaker 2: coming up real quick. The eighth Wednesday, the eighth of November,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be at Stonewall in New York City. The
Speaker 2: thirtieth of November, I'm in Seattle at the Hereafter the
Speaker 2: first of December, I'm in Vancouver, Canada. And the third
Speaker 2: of December, i am in Helium, Portland, Oregon. The ticket
Speaker 2: link is in my Instagram bio or on the websites
Speaker 2: of those venues. Okay, let me read you a story
Speaker 2: that was sent to me. I was emailed a story
Speaker 2: by Julie Julie Wrights. I was a tour guide in Savannah,
Speaker 2: Georgia in two thousand and five. Who I'm already scared
Speaker 2: the two thousand and five Savannah, Georgia. Both of those
Speaker 2: things are spooky. Savannah is one of the oldest cities
Speaker 2: in America and still has houses standing from the seventeen
Speaker 2: hundreds buildings as well, which makes it also one of
Speaker 2: the most haunted cities in America. The moment you step
Speaker 2: into the city, you can feel the centuries of energy
Speaker 2: hanging in the air like fog. The ghost tour I
Speaker 2: led was a walking tour over about a mile of
Speaker 2: the historic district, right around City Market and Bay Street.
Speaker 2: One of the buildings I used to talk about was
Speaker 2: a bank in its infancy, then a restaurant, and at
Speaker 2: the time I was telling my stories, it was completely empty.
Speaker 2: The story goes that the owner of the original bank
Speaker 2: had a daughter named Grace, who fell ill and died
Speaker 2: at a young age.
Speaker 1: She was a.
Speaker 2: Precious, blonde haired child, and when she died, she never
Speaker 2: really left. Most stories are about the restaurant and patrons
Speaker 2: seeing a blondhaired little girl in outdated clothes, hiding under
Speaker 2: tables or running past them around a corner. She was
Speaker 2: around a lot. Many stories were told about little Grace,
Speaker 2: and I became quite fascinated by her. I would even
Speaker 2: go visit her grave, which was in Bonaventure Cemetery on
Speaker 2: the way out to the beach. Her headstone is a
Speaker 2: statue of her holding a baby sheep. It's kind of creepy,
Speaker 2: but I always felt peaceful and connected to her when
Speaker 2: I would go there. Anyway, I was giving a tour
Speaker 2: to about thirty five people one August evening. The tour
Speaker 2: had just started. Grace was usually my first story, So
Speaker 2: it's me and thirty five people staring at this two
Speaker 2: story building that Grace's father once owned, and as I
Speaker 2: was looking at the second story, I saw her, a
Speaker 2: blonde haired child staring at me through the window. Her
Speaker 2: hair was half up, tied in a white ribbon, and
Speaker 2: she was wearing a white dress with a somewhat high collar.
Speaker 2: I gasped, and then some someone else gasped. I turned
Speaker 2: to my tour group and asked if anyone else could
Speaker 2: see her. Half of the group raised their hands, the
Speaker 2: other half looked perplexed. It was one of the most
Speaker 2: amazing experiences of my life, and I am so thankful
Speaker 2: Grace showed herself to me and well some of my group.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Julie, Now that's a rare sighting, and that
Speaker 2: is exactly what you want to happen when you go
Speaker 2: on a ghost tour of a place like Savannah, Georgia.
Speaker 2: That had to have felt great as a tour guide.
Speaker 2: And I could relate because I used to be a
Speaker 2: tour guide at Universal Studios, Hollywood, and I would take
Speaker 2: these tours through Hollywood all the time, and we'd always
Speaker 2: be talking about all the different celebrities. We'd tell stories, Oh,
Speaker 2: this is where this show is made. And this show's
Speaker 2: made over here and whatever. You just talk about it
Speaker 2: all the time. It's still a great tour, wonderful. I
Speaker 2: highly recommend you go if you're ever in town. But
Speaker 2: then every once in a while one of the celebrities
Speaker 2: will peak their little heads out, and as a tour guide,
Speaker 2: I was like, yes, this is what these people come
Speaker 2: to Hollywood for, so I get it. It sounds just
Speaker 2: like Grace. Grace was having a good day that day.
Speaker 2: She said, you know what, I'm gonna put my ponytail
Speaker 2: half up. I'm gonna give them the half up, half down, Arianna, look,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna come out and I'm just gonna you know,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna smile post for a picture or two, and
Speaker 2: then I'm going back inside. Good for you, Grace, that's
Speaker 2: how you do it. Anyway, I'm gonna talk to Nico
Speaker 2: Case now, who I absolutely love. She cracks me up,
Speaker 2: and we talk about one of my absolute favorite ghost
Speaker 2: stories I've ever heard. Ever. Here we go, here's me
Speaker 2: once again with Nico Case add with a show. I
Speaker 2: am joined once again by a brilliant recording artist, musician,
Speaker 2: and honestly, I'm gonna say comedian because she's very funny nicokes. Hello, Hi,
Speaker 2: welcome back.
Speaker 1: I missed you.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've missed you. I'm always so happy when I
Speaker 2: see you on social media and stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm ready and I have something to run by you
Speaker 1: if you're up for it. I don't know. Do you
Speaker 1: like things that are not just ghost related but also
Speaker 1: like kind of macob.
Speaker 2: I've been known to dabble in the macob to eat
Speaker 2: up some macob like it's corn on the cob.
Speaker 1: Excellent?
Speaker 2: Why what is it? Tell me? Run it by me.
Speaker 1: Not long before I was supposed to come on the show,
Speaker 1: I got a text from my friend Gavin, who is
Speaker 1: a palaeontologist cool, and he sent me a photo of
Speaker 1: a cat skull and it says this cat skull is
Speaker 1: intended to inspire you. It's special because it's from one
Speaker 1: of our seventeen or possibly eighteen cats that ate its owner,
Speaker 1: renowned nineteen sixties cat theme sci fi outsider artist Karen Kuckendall.
Speaker 1: Our museum was willed her estate when she died in
Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties. So the cat ate her one of
Speaker 1: the seventeen or possibly eighteen cats that ate her.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I will happily send you the picture of
Speaker 1: the skull. I'll show you right now on the thing there.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: You sent me that, And I'm like, huh, that's funny
Speaker 1: that he should send me something so macabre right before
Speaker 1: I'm going on your show.
Speaker 2: The last time you were on, you did not have
Speaker 2: a whole lot of ghost experiences. But I'm wondering if
Speaker 2: you've had any sense.
Speaker 1: No, just a lot of me hanging out wishing the
Speaker 1: ghosts would come around. Still, I'm still ghostless, and I'm
Speaker 1: sad about it, but you know, I'm still open. I'm
Speaker 1: a little too open. I think ghosts are like, you're desperate,
Speaker 1: dued after life desperation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I totally get that.
Speaker 1: They're just not a fan of Where are you now?
Speaker 1: I'm at home right now, and I just got back
Speaker 1: from being gone for like four months, so I'm pretty
Speaker 1: excited about it.
Speaker 2: I missed you when you're in La. I saw that
Speaker 2: you were here and I wasn't around, but I missed you.
Speaker 1: It's okay, you're busy.
Speaker 2: Was it fun?
Speaker 1: It was really fun? It was really really fun. We
Speaker 1: just did a little show at the Fonda, and I
Speaker 1: ate lots of meatballs and I got a good night's sleep.
Speaker 1: That's an A plus plus plus situation for me, So
Speaker 1: thank you Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Well, I've got a great segue here because I did
Speaker 2: some research about a story that involves a woman that
Speaker 2: was in the Los Angeles area that was not getting
Speaker 2: good sleep. I don't know about meatballs, but she did
Speaker 2: have flying light balls around her home. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to tell you a little story here that I've actually
Speaker 2: been obsessed with since I was a child. It's the
Speaker 2: San Pedro haunting of Jackie Hernandez. No relation. Uh have
Speaker 2: you ever heard of this story?
Speaker 1: Were you disappointed that she wasn't related to you?
Speaker 2: I mean, she has a baby daughter that was born
Speaker 2: around the same time as me, and maybe it was me.
Speaker 2: Maybe this is my long last mother. I don't know.
Speaker 2: But does this ring any bell to you? This story?
Speaker 1: I have never heard this story?
Speaker 2: Okay? Well, in nineteen ninety seven there was a documentary
Speaker 2: called An Unknown Encounter colon a true account of the
Speaker 2: San Pedro Haunting, which is on YouTube. It is fantastic.
Speaker 2: If you appreciate a perm or a mullet, this is
Speaker 2: the film for you. And there is real footage. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and say it's the best ghost hunt
Speaker 2: I've ever seen captured on camera.
Speaker 1: That's that's big.
Speaker 2: And I've seen a lot, Okay, I have watched a
Speaker 2: lot of hours of these TV shows and stuff. This
Speaker 2: is actually one that I saw. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: was very young when I first saw this, and most
Speaker 2: of the research I'm about to tell you I got
Speaker 2: from the documentary. But then I also found this other
Speaker 2: TV show that she was on about ten years ago,
Speaker 2: and there's like conflicting data. I don't know, but nonetheless,
Speaker 2: here we go. Let's get into it. So San Pedro, California.
Speaker 2: It's not far from Long Beach. It's known for the
Speaker 2: Port of Los Angeles. Approximately twenty percent of cargo coming
Speaker 2: into the US goes into San Pedro, and she was
Speaker 2: right over there by the port. Nineteen eighty eight. Jackie Hernandez.
Speaker 2: She's a twenty three year year old single mother. She
Speaker 2: moves into a small house with her two year old son,
Speaker 2: and she's pregnant with a daughter. She had just separated
Speaker 2: from her man. She's hoping to finish her degree and
Speaker 2: start a new life. So the first thing that happens,
Speaker 2: she's just hanging out in this house, and she starts
Speaker 2: to hear what sounds like pebbles falling in the walls.
Speaker 2: She's like, this is not normal. I don't know what
Speaker 2: this sound is. It's not even like an old house,
Speaker 2: you know, making old house noises. It sounded deliberate. She
Speaker 2: just thought it was weird. But whatever. One day she's
Speaker 2: sitting at her desk in her home and a pencil
Speaker 2: holder flies off, pencils everywhere. Another time, her ex named
Speaker 2: Al came over. She tells him all about it. He's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's calling out the ghost. Nothing ends up happening when
Speaker 2: he does that. But as soon as he leaves, she
Speaker 2: goes into a closet, opens it up. Written on the
Speaker 2: wall the word L hundreds of times. The A is blue,
Speaker 2: the L is red. Do you think a ghost could
Speaker 2: do that?
Speaker 1: I don't know what a ghost could do.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: I just I don't even know what they're capable of.
Speaker 2: Well, especially when you hear this story, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to doubt it because again, like very credible people were
Speaker 2: involved in this case, and some of it is kind
Speaker 2: of on camera. But this is a story where you're like,
Speaker 2: I've never even heard of this kind of stuff happening,
Speaker 2: but apparently it all did. This is a very strong
Speaker 2: ghost that poor Jackie Hernandez had. So one day she
Speaker 2: ends up telling her landlord that there's some weird stuff
Speaker 2: going on. The landlord calls two priests over, and these priests,
Speaker 2: she says, they were super condescending and they basically made
Speaker 2: her feel like she was out of her mind and
Speaker 2: did a couple of blessings. They laughed. The next day,
Speaker 2: social services comes over because the priest said that she
Speaker 2: was on hallucinogenics and while being pregnant because of the
Speaker 2: things that she was saying was happening around her house.
Speaker 1: Oh that's dirty.
Speaker 2: Dirty, So obviously, this poor woman she's terrified to tell
Speaker 2: people about this, like after that happened.
Speaker 1: Classic patriarchy, there we go. Classic.
Speaker 2: She's twenty three pregnant. Now at this point she has
Speaker 2: just had her baby. She's living on her own, trying
Speaker 2: to go to school. It's one of these situations. She
Speaker 2: didn't have much money. What do you do, Like, you
Speaker 2: just have to kind of live with this weird stuff
Speaker 2: happening around the house, and it gets way weirder. So
Speaker 2: one day she comes home, remember those like little letters
Speaker 2: that people would put on fridges, like the magnets. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: She says that she came home one day and it
Speaker 2: said get the hell out. Soon after, she begins seeing
Speaker 2: the apparition of an old man that looks like a corpse.
Speaker 2: He's got gray skin and he's wearing a flannel shirt.
Speaker 2: He always has his legs crossed, and she sees him
Speaker 2: often sitting in her children's bunk bed. Now this is
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine. Grunge is about to take off. Do
Speaker 2: you think that maybe the ghost was trying to start
Speaker 2: a fashion trend with the flannel? I don't know. So
Speaker 2: one time a painting fell off of a wall, and
Speaker 2: she says that the nails that were holding the painting
Speaker 2: up had also come out, and they were like head down,
Speaker 2: sharp side up on the painting. Which how would that
Speaker 2: even happen? How did the nails come out of the wall?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Her neighbor had several accounts with the spirit,
Speaker 2: and even the neighbor says that it followed her home.
Speaker 2: The ghost went home with the neighbor. One time a
Speaker 2: lamp fell over. Blah blah blah blah blah, lots lots
Speaker 2: of typical ghost stuff. One time, her friend was babysitting
Speaker 2: one night and heard a voice from the bathroom saying,
Speaker 2: don't come in here. And this ghost is, you know,
Speaker 2: very intelligent, very aware of its surroundings, could interact with people.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if it could actually use the bathroom,
Speaker 2: but it certainly did not want the babysitter to go
Speaker 2: in the bathroom for whatever reason. Another time, she allegedly
Speaker 2: saw a stream of water pouring out of a light switch.
Speaker 2: One night, she saw a local TV show with a
Speaker 2: group of paranormal investigators. She decides, I'm going to give
Speaker 2: them a call. And on this other show that I watched,
Speaker 2: she says that her friend Susan was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: have a phone number for some ghost hunters. So I
Speaker 2: don't know exactly how that happened, but whatever, these people
Speaker 2: were Barry Conrad, Jeff Wheatcraft, and doctor Barry Taff who
Speaker 2: was a famous parapsychologist from UCLA. Let me just ask you,
Speaker 2: if you were in this situation, are you gonna what
Speaker 2: do you do? I don't know what to do this
Speaker 2: poor woman.
Speaker 1: I guess I would invite smart people I knew to
Speaker 1: come over and spend the night and just see if
Speaker 1: there was any sort of If it was me, I mean,
Speaker 1: I would be wondering about my own sanity. I would
Speaker 1: be wondering about I don't know. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I would do. I've definitely called people over to stay
Speaker 1: the night at my house when stuff was scary in
Speaker 1: the city.
Speaker 2: What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1: Just like weird noises or gunshots or what have you.
Speaker 1: You know, just feeling out of sorts or whatever. You
Speaker 1: just feel kind of creeped out for no good reason.
Speaker 1: And so it's like, can you come stay over because
Speaker 1: I feel really freaked out? And you know, somebody else
Speaker 1: coming over kind of burst that weird psychic bubble and
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, everything's fine. So I think that's what
Speaker 1: I would do. But if I had a number for
Speaker 1: a paranormal psychologist from UCLA, I would be calling it.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, Well, And that's the thing. She's got literally
Speaker 2: a newborn baby, a two year old, and she's trying
Speaker 2: to go to school and work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, most people would be like, I don't have time
Speaker 1: for this shit.
Speaker 2: I don't have time. I would be so pissed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and she's being kept up all night she's hearing breathing
Speaker 2: from this ghost. It's speaking, it's doing all kinds of
Speaker 2: shit NonStop. So she has Barry Barry and Jeff the Ghostbusters.
Speaker 1: The BBJ team, the BBJ Fresh on the scene exactly.
Speaker 2: So they roll up, they've got their cameras and doctor
Speaker 2: Barry Tap says, as soon as he walks in, he
Speaker 2: instantly notices a foul stench. He's like, damn, Jackie, let's
Speaker 2: start with a glade plug in. We'll go from there.
Speaker 2: He famously investigated this case that inspired the movie The Entity,
Speaker 2: which was this case in Culver City, I believe, in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles where this woman and it's a messed up
Speaker 2: one and she was repeatedly getting assaulted by all these
Speaker 2: ghosts in her house. It's crazy. But anyway, so he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: this smells like the Entity house, like literally smell like
Speaker 2: it smelled bad. So she tells them that she went
Speaker 2: up to the attic and she saw a head with
Speaker 2: no body coming at her, just a floating head. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'd only laugh because it's so scary to.
Speaker 1: The well, it's it's super unbelievable, and when you think
Speaker 1: about how scary that would actually be that would be
Speaker 1: would be terrifying, like pass out terrifying.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah. And by the way, at this point, her
Speaker 2: husband I don't believe her ex husband whatever, I don't
Speaker 2: believe has actually first hand seen anything, but all of
Speaker 2: her girlfriends have seen stuff, and the babysitters they've all
Speaker 2: experienced it, So she at least has some people on
Speaker 2: her side that have had these experiences. But now that
Speaker 2: we got these you know, credible guys coming in here.
Speaker 2: So there's Jeff who's the cameraman, and he is skeptical,
Speaker 2: and he's like, Okay, I want to go up to
Speaker 2: this attic and see this floating head. So he goes
Speaker 2: up there to snap some pictures. It's pitch black and
Speaker 2: his camera gets yanked out of his hands, so he's
Speaker 2: no longer a skeptic. This guy is shook. So the
Speaker 2: group decides they're all going to go up there with
Speaker 2: their video cameras. And as soon as they get up there,
Speaker 2: the video cameras don't work. The video cameras only work downstairs.
Speaker 2: And by the way, this is the documentary that I
Speaker 2: was talking about from nineteen ninety seven that all started
Speaker 2: when these guys showed up like it's their footage from
Speaker 2: this investigation, so allegedly their cameras were not working when
Speaker 2: they would go up into the attic. I don't know.
Speaker 1: And how would you feel if you were her and
Speaker 1: the skeptic goes up there with his camera and then
Speaker 1: comes back shook as you said, wouldn't you just be like,
Speaker 1: let's all just leave right now. Let's just take our
Speaker 1: most basic items that we and get the fuck out, Like,
Speaker 1: let's not let's not go back in there. That's what
Speaker 1: I needed to see. Good day, Let's go.
Speaker 2: I would be so annoying. I would be like, see,
Speaker 2: I told you bitches, nobody believe me. I'd call up
Speaker 2: the church where those priests are. Oh my, I would
Speaker 2: prank call them.
Speaker 1: One of your precious men has confirmed that there's a
Speaker 1: ghost stuppy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I would be so oh you don't even know.
Speaker 1: So I'd like to I'd like to see that. Actually,
Speaker 1: I'd like to see that call happening.
Speaker 2: So they don't leave, they don't grab their items to go.
Speaker 2: They're actually these these guys are like, okay, we might
Speaker 2: have a documentary that might be featured on an exactly
Speaker 2: right podcast. In twenty twenty three, we got to keep
Speaker 2: these cameras rolling exactly, so they all come downstairs because
Speaker 2: they're like, okay, cameras aren't working up there. And they
Speaker 2: hear pounding sounds in the attic and what sounds like
Speaker 2: a heavy person walking in the attic, like back and forth.
Speaker 2: This part is in the documentary and it's so scary.
Speaker 2: Now the craziest thing in this entire case is about
Speaker 2: to happen. She shows these guys that there's this yellow
Speaker 2: liquid that is oozing from her walls, and they take
Speaker 2: a sample of the gross yellow ooze. They take it
Speaker 2: to a lab and it is found out to be
Speaker 2: human blood plasma. What male blood?
Speaker 1: That's gross.
Speaker 2: It's disgusting, so like.
Speaker 1: Lymph fluid sort of but not. Isn't that what limp
Speaker 1: fluid is?
Speaker 2: I don't want any fluid dripping out of my walls. No,
Speaker 2: I can tell you.
Speaker 1: That, especially a specific separated from the blood plasma.
Speaker 2: Where's the blood? That's what I'm not now. That means
Speaker 2: the blood's got to be nearby, and it was male blood.
Speaker 2: They were able to determine.
Speaker 1: Matches the ghost in question, perhaps.
Speaker 2: So they have no explanation. They can't figure this out.
Speaker 2: By the way, of course, they're wondering are their bodies
Speaker 2: in the walls and they're somehow seeping out. No, there's
Speaker 2: no bodies in the walls. So this poor woman, Jackie
Speaker 2: is completely over it at this point. She's being harassed
Speaker 2: by this thing at all hours of the night. I
Speaker 2: feel so bad for her. You can see it on
Speaker 2: her face in this documentary. And she one night calls
Speaker 2: them frantic. The middle of the night. Kids toys are
Speaker 2: flying all over the place. She's here in the breathing.
Speaker 2: The lights are coming on and off, so the guys
Speaker 2: rush on over and in the kitchen they hear the
Speaker 2: sound of someone snapping their fingers right by their ears.
Speaker 2: Side note. I don't know if you've experienced this. I'm
Speaker 2: a millennial. I sometimes do shows for the generation younger
Speaker 2: than me, like the people in like their early twenties
Speaker 2: and stuff, and they they snap, Oh my god, they
Speaker 2: that's how they like if I tell a joke that's funny, they're.
Speaker 1: Like they jazz clap.
Speaker 2: Basically, they pretty much do that.
Speaker 1: Jazz clapping they're doing like it's like very they're taking
Speaker 1: it back like.
Speaker 2: Poetry, like snapping.
Speaker 1: I don't knownick beatnick clasp, So.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it was the future ghost, maybe a gen
Speaker 2: Z person time traveled back as a ghost and was like,
Speaker 2: Yazz ghost, it's given me plasma in the walls. Ghost.
Speaker 2: So the fellas are like, we're going up into this attic.
Speaker 2: Two of them go up there. Things are weird. It's
Speaker 2: pitch black up there. All of a sudden, Jeff, the
Speaker 2: guy whose camera got yanked out of his hands, gets
Speaker 2: a rope wrapped around his neck and it's connected to
Speaker 2: a nail in the wall, and it's literally choke him
Speaker 2: to the point where he's almost like off the ground choking.
Speaker 2: And the other guy that's up there, it's so dark
Speaker 2: he can't see and he's like, what are you doing
Speaker 2: over there? So he snaps his camera takes a picture
Speaker 2: of him, and it's so terrifying and he's literally just
Speaker 2: like hanging there. He gets him down. Obviously they get
Speaker 2: out of that attic. This is some final destination shit.
Speaker 1: That ghost really hates Jeff hates Jeff.
Speaker 2: I this is so dangerous at this point. Okay, so
Speaker 2: the same night, her four month old at this point
Speaker 2: baby has a red imprint on her forehead that just
Speaker 2: miraculously appears. I don't know whatever it is, she was
Speaker 2: able to wipe it off. It wasn't like an actual
Speaker 2: like scar or whatever. She just wipes it off. But
Speaker 2: still she's she's freaking out because she's like, Okay, now
Speaker 2: this thing is like messing with my kids and Jeff
Speaker 2: and in Jeff, this guy she just met from we
Speaker 2: don't know exactly where, but first of all, I don't
Speaker 2: it's a man getting choked in my attic. I don't
Speaker 2: want another ghost. We got enough. We're at capacity in
Speaker 2: this house. So they all leave the house. The guys
Speaker 2: end up reviewing the footage and they start noticing that
Speaker 2: there's these little balls of light that appear around her
Speaker 2: all the footage of Jackie, like you can see these
Speaker 2: little balls of lights and different parts of the house,
Speaker 2: these little balls of light, like little tiny little balls,
Speaker 2: and they're like shooting in a way that's not a
Speaker 2: bug or anything. It's like really specific, just something weird
Speaker 2: that happened. So Jackie at this point is like, I'm
Speaker 2: out of here. I'm moving three hundred miles north of
Speaker 2: sam Pedro. She moves into a trailer in a place
Speaker 2: called Weldon, California, And that's the story of Jackie. Hernandez
Speaker 2: just kidding. As soon as she moves over there, she
Speaker 2: starts noticing weird noises and balls of light around her trailer.
Speaker 2: Her daughter's bedspread catches on fire. Her new neighbors are
Speaker 2: hearing weird knocks from inside the children's bedroom. Can you
Speaker 2: imagine moving into a new place, you know, you meet
Speaker 2: your new neighbors. Hi, guys, Oh, this is my This
Speaker 2: is my newborn, This is my two year old, and
Speaker 2: my poulter. Guys, don't mind my poulter guyst He'll make
Speaker 2: himself known.
Speaker 1: If if you see any plasma, it's just my ghost
Speaker 1: maker poltergeist that I brought with me against my will.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Don't mind the human blood that might drip out
Speaker 2: of your trailer.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, one day her neighbors are helping her move a
Speaker 2: TV and it's obviously unplugged whatever. They notice the face
Speaker 2: of an old man on the screen. It's like staring
Speaker 2: at them. Jeff and Barry roll up. She calls them.
Speaker 2: She's like, guess what, guys, your documentary continues. So they
Speaker 2: pull up. They pull out a Wuiji board. The table
Speaker 2: starts shaking. It's spelling words like crazy. It's telling them
Speaker 2: that it's a man that was murdered in nineteen thirty
Speaker 2: in the San Pedro Bay. He says that there's ghosts
Speaker 2: all around her. He says that he hates Jeff because
Speaker 2: Jeff looks like the man who killed this man.
Speaker 1: So the Jeff thing wasn't like random nearest guy to me,
Speaker 1: it was it was specific.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so this ghost is already pissed off, he
Speaker 2: already wants Jackie and her babies out of this house.
Speaker 2: Then he sees Jeff and he's like, wait, that kind
Speaker 2: of looks like the guy that killed me. And then
Speaker 2: get I guess it's just a crazy lou cooincidence. I
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, if that was if I was Jeff,
Speaker 2: I'd be like with the Wigi board, I'd be like,
Speaker 2: show me a picture of the guy. Because every time
Speaker 2: someone says I, oh, I gotta show you someone that
Speaker 2: looks just like you, it's almost always an insult, and
Speaker 2: I would have wanted to see the picture, agreed. I
Speaker 2: would say, Okay, listen, ghost, pull it up. Let's see
Speaker 2: if this guy does not look like me. You're out
Speaker 2: of here. The documentary's over. I'm burning some stuff, and
Speaker 2: we're getting you gone. So they're doing the Ouija board,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, Jeff is picked up
Speaker 2: in thrown against the wall. Unfortunately this part is not
Speaker 2: in the documentary, but there's an amazing reenactment of an
Speaker 2: actor being picked up in thrown.
Speaker 1: I know what I'm watching tonight.
Speaker 2: You have to it's so good. So a bond further research,
Speaker 2: they find records of a man in nineteen thirty that
Speaker 2: died under suspected foul play, though ruled accidental because there
Speaker 2: was not enough info in San Pedro, so they come
Speaker 2: to the conclusion that must be him. I don't know whatever,
Speaker 2: he did work near Jackie's house as a seaman, so
Speaker 2: it's starting to all make sense. They also realize the
Speaker 2: not from the little rope that was choked around Jeff's
Speaker 2: neck was a knot that was used by seamen. So
Speaker 2: we think we know that she's got the ghost of
Speaker 2: a semen. Semen, so it's just fun to say her
Speaker 2: house is leaking bodily fluids and she's it's covered with semen.
Speaker 1: There's signs of semen everywhere.
Speaker 2: There's no semen all over, and they're shooting balls. There's
Speaker 2: balls shooting around her house and there's signs of Semen. Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: so she decides, you know what, I'm out of this
Speaker 2: part of California. She's like, I might as well go
Speaker 2: back and soak up the sun. So she goes back
Speaker 2: down to San Pedro, but she moves into an apartment,
Speaker 2: not the original house, because she's like, I guess this
Speaker 2: ghost is gonna come with me no matter where, Like,
Speaker 2: I might as well just go back over there.
Speaker 1: Might as well live some more nice I want to live,
Speaker 1: not in a trailer.
Speaker 2: Yes. At this point, this whole story has been less
Speaker 2: than two years and it's just NonStop. So she is back.
Speaker 2: Guess what. Guess who's decided to move with her the Semen.
Speaker 2: So his light balls are shooting all over her new
Speaker 2: apartment and she at this point gets really cool pictures
Speaker 2: of these balls of light and they are something, and
Speaker 2: a lot of credible people examine them and they're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we don't know what that is. But it's not just
Speaker 2: it's not a glare off of something. It's not all
Speaker 2: the other things that you could rule out. So not
Speaker 2: only is this thing following her places, it's also following
Speaker 2: Jeff the investigator, this poor guy.
Speaker 1: So he got haunted by the semen as well, like
Speaker 1: getting chicken pox.
Speaker 2: Basically exactly it is. It's contagious. But if you told
Speaker 2: me that I look like your murderer and that's why
Speaker 2: you're going to now make my life a living how,
Speaker 2: I would also get myself a disguise at that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or a stylist to help you get out of
Speaker 1: that situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah. First of all, I'd be offended that I look
Speaker 2: like a murderer.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also I would get you know, a fake mustache,
Speaker 2: a wig of some sort I don't know, so that
Speaker 2: the ghost creeps in and goes, oh, sorry, wrong apartment.
Speaker 2: He lives in Studio City, which is probably I would
Speaker 2: say forty five minutes if there's no traffic from San Pedro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's plastic surgery there. Yes.
Speaker 2: The cheaper option is that there there are wardrobe stores,
Speaker 2: there's special effects makeup stores. He does not do that.
Speaker 2: So many times in his Studio City apartment, the burners
Speaker 2: on his stove would turn on by themselves. This is
Speaker 2: dangerous m HM. Didn't happen before he met Jackie Hernandez
Speaker 2: and her ghost. One time he came home. He alleges
Speaker 2: there's video of this, but after the fact he comes
Speaker 2: home and there's two pairs of scissors open underneath his
Speaker 2: bed pillows, like this ghost was setting a trap, expecting
Speaker 2: him to get in the bed and chop himself up
Speaker 2: by accident or something. One time, he says, this window
Speaker 2: broke in the apartment. He collects all the glass, brings
Speaker 2: it down to the dumpster. He says, as soon as
Speaker 2: he goes back up, there's a big, old, sharp shard
Speaker 2: of glass and it's on his typewriter, sharp side, pointing upward.
Speaker 2: And he claims that it was a piece that he
Speaker 2: had just thrown away, so somehow it flew back from
Speaker 2: the dumpster onto his typewriter. Also another night, he and
Speaker 2: his boys come home late at night and there's just
Speaker 2: NonStop activity going on over the place. Somehow white out
Speaker 2: gets scribbled all over one of his camera lenses. I mean,
Speaker 2: so much shit happened in this apartment. And then basically
Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety seven documentary, it just kind of ends.
Speaker 1: That's all it gives you.
Speaker 2: It's like then things slowed down for Jackie and it
Speaker 2: was over.
Speaker 1: Where's Shackie? Now? How do we get her on the phone?
Speaker 2: Trust me, I know I might have to do some
Speaker 2: family tree. I know a couple of Hernandez's I could.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we know Jackie somehow.
Speaker 1: For Jeff, what's chef up to?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: I did hear an interview with Barry Taff, the parapsychologist,
Speaker 2: and he's like, Jeff has PTSD because of this, Like
Speaker 2: it was so traumatic. I mean, he was attacked by
Speaker 2: this thing and again he was like a skeptic before,
Speaker 2: so his whole world was shaken over for Jeff, and
Speaker 2: I don't think he ever did any of this kind
Speaker 2: of work after that. I did try to find I'm like,
Speaker 2: where is Jackie, What's going on? There's an La Times
Speaker 2: article from nineteen ninety three, so this was after the
Speaker 2: actual activity was happening, but before this documentary came out.
Speaker 2: It's in the La Times, written by Gary Abrams. It's
Speaker 2: called Tangled Tales from the Crypt. For three years, Jackie
Speaker 2: Hernandez says she was followed by a pair of puzzling
Speaker 2: and persistent ghosts, and it has different info. It says
Speaker 2: that she believed that there was actually two ghosts, and
Speaker 2: she had dreams of being held underwater and the people
Speaker 2: that she was around in her dream looked like they
Speaker 2: were from the thirties, So she believed that that was
Speaker 2: like the seamen ghost.
Speaker 1: Is that how the seman died? I forget how he
Speaker 1: was murdered.
Speaker 2: Was his body was found in the harbor?
Speaker 1: Okay? I guess if there was lack of evidence, drowning
Speaker 1: would be one of those ways, like they'd be like, well,
Speaker 1: did somebody drown? I don't know, there's no suspicious marks
Speaker 1: or anything.
Speaker 2: But he did have a mark on his head, I believe,
Speaker 2: so it was like did he hit his head and
Speaker 2: then fall in the water, Like nobody knows for sure.
Speaker 1: That is suspicious and could go either way.
Speaker 2: She believes from a Ouiji session that the murderer lived
Speaker 2: in that house, the original house, so it wasn't the seamen.
Speaker 2: It was the seamen trying to get revenge on whoever
Speaker 2: did kill the semen. And then she believes that the
Speaker 2: other ghost was the ghost of a man, the man
Speaker 2: who actually built the house. She also says in this
Speaker 2: La Times article, I don't know why none of this
Speaker 2: is in the documentary, but whatever that when she had
Speaker 2: moved back to San Pedro, she saw a ball of
Speaker 2: light outside of her apartment and she followed it to
Speaker 2: a graveyard and it lingered over a headstone that was
Speaker 2: confirmed to be the man who built the house, and
Speaker 2: then after that it vanished, and then his haunting stopped
Speaker 2: with her, and again she did see an old man
Speaker 2: in the house, the original house with the flannel on
Speaker 2: the semen, I believe was a younger man, okay, And
Speaker 2: I think the semen just kind of got over it,
Speaker 2: which is like, yeah, leave her alone, Like she's not
Speaker 2: your killer, Like what is your deal, dude, Like leave
Speaker 2: this poor woman alone and poor Jeff.
Speaker 1: But she's some sort of conduit to help ghosts travel
Speaker 1: around or something like, ah, hello, portal lady, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: find the guy who murdered me through you, portal lady.
Speaker 1: Bother you are your breastfeeding but this is really super
Speaker 1: important for.
Speaker 2: Me, exactly. My favorite part of this La Times article
Speaker 2: is that they interview her former babysitter, and this former
Speaker 2: babysitter has got some fighting words. The babysitter says that
Speaker 2: the haunting has permanently changed her and her nandas she
Speaker 2: says that she's become more religious, while her friend Jackie
Speaker 2: quote overreacts to everything, it seems that she's sunk into
Speaker 2: total neurosis. The two of them have drifted apart, she says,
Speaker 2: remarking that the haunting is quote the only thing we
Speaker 2: have in common.
Speaker 1: Jackie not pay her or something or.
Speaker 2: Jackie who had enough to deal with Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2: But the other show that I found, it's called Paranormal
Speaker 2: Witness and it's season two, episode two. It came out
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve, and she is interviewed in it, and
Speaker 2: it's a re enactment show that's really scary. And the
Speaker 2: episode is called The Man in the Attic and it
Speaker 2: has a lot of different details. Some of the details
Speaker 2: that I shared here are from that and then also
Speaker 2: from the original documentary. But I just love the original documentary.
Speaker 2: It's so good and that's pretty much the story of
Speaker 2: Jackie Hernandez. Do you believe it? Nico Case.
Speaker 1: I got to watch the documentary first and looking to
Speaker 1: my left and seeing my own Jeff over there, who
Speaker 1: I know about your show from Jeff originally because he's
Speaker 1: a huge fan of your show. He's got the look
Speaker 1: on his face like, oh, we're watching that tonight. We are,
Speaker 1: So I'm about to find out. I'm gonna I'm gonna say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do believe it.
Speaker 2: I do too.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many things we can't explain, and
Speaker 1: who with a brand new baby and a toddler has
Speaker 1: time for that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: And going to school and work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I could see her being a little
Speaker 1: like you know, I've had moments where I feel like
Speaker 1: I've separated from my sanity a little bit and thought
Speaker 1: some stuff was pretty real. So it could be that too.
Speaker 1: But if it was real to her, then it was real, right.
Speaker 2: But then you get all these other people witnessing it.
Speaker 2: That's the biggest thing. Even these people when she lived
Speaker 2: in that trailer, they're interviewed and they're like, we saw
Speaker 2: an old man's face staring at us in this TV screen.
Speaker 1: And the plasma real life, plasma.
Speaker 2: Real life? Where would she have gotten that plasma from
Speaker 2: if she was trying to fake this? I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's a good one, it's a really good one. It's
Speaker 2: just a lot of stuff that I've never even heard of. Like,
Speaker 2: there's just so much going on with this.
Speaker 1: But the balls of light fascinate me. I've seen balls
Speaker 1: of light, so I mean why not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, these ones are really cool and there's actually
Speaker 2: I only gave you some of the details, there's like
Speaker 2: a lot more. I mean, it seemed like it was
Speaker 2: NonStop stuff. But her babysitter, the disgruntled babysitter, I don't
Speaker 2: know if it was her or a different babysitter, but
Speaker 2: one of the babysitters and her witnessed like these kind
Speaker 2: of larger balls of light in their kitchen, just sort
Speaker 2: of floating around, and they're like the light was coming
Speaker 2: out of them. They weren't. I don't know. It's just
Speaker 2: very strange. It's the whole thing is strange.
Speaker 1: But when you first kind of set up the story,
Speaker 1: I was kind of like balls of light. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: is San Pedro one of the areas in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: where they do a lot of oil field stuff, because
Speaker 1: like you know, La is surrounded by this stuff. I thought, well,
Speaker 1: maybe there's you know, natural gases in the air, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's just maybe in a less than pseudo.
Speaker 2: Scientist, Well, it turns out this house has bigger problems
Speaker 2: than the balls of light. That actually sounds nice compared
Speaker 2: to some of this stuff. That's one of those things
Speaker 2: where how convenient would it be could save you on
Speaker 2: a couple of bills if turn off all the lights
Speaker 2: and then be like, go, I have some homework I
Speaker 2: have to do for college right now? Can you just
Speaker 2: linger over here with your light bulbs and just illuminate
Speaker 2: my homework over here? Ghosts, it's hot, Can you just
Speaker 2: make this room cold real quick? That would be nice.
Speaker 2: That would be a nice use of a ghost. But
Speaker 2: unfortunately she had no need for human plasma or a
Speaker 2: stinky smell.
Speaker 1: Are ghosts were helpful? I mean, you know a million
Speaker 1: ghost stories, Like do you hear about helpful ghosts?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, you hear a lot of these stories that
Speaker 2: are you know a lot of people will say angels
Speaker 2: or whatever right intervening when there's an accident happening or
Speaker 2: something and helping people get out of a car during
Speaker 2: a car wreck, or you know, just different things like
Speaker 2: that that are helpful. But it's rare to hear stories
Speaker 2: of a ghost actually trying to kill somebody and almost
Speaker 2: succeeding and it being so non stop. The way that
Speaker 2: this story sounds, it just sounds like hell. It sounds horrible.
Speaker 2: I mean, you already can't sleep because you got a baby,
Speaker 2: and then you have to deal with this, My poor
Speaker 2: aunt Jackie. I feel terrible for her.
Speaker 1: I know you got to get her on the horn.
Speaker 2: You're telling me see.
Speaker 1: How it's played out, and if she's still overreactive to everything,
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Well should I have her and then do it nineties
Speaker 2: talk show style where I pull out the babysitter. Well,
Speaker 2: guess so we've got backstage right now, your former babysitter
Speaker 2: come on out.
Speaker 1: And then they just come charging out.
Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, So I have another thing that I like
Speaker 2: to do here we look at some haunted dolls that
Speaker 2: are currently for sale, a little segment I like to
Speaker 2: call the dolls are living. So I go to eBay
Speaker 2: sometimes atsy different places. I've looked at Craigslist, I've checked
Speaker 2: out Facebook, Marketplace, but my favorite is eBay. And I
Speaker 2: have got you a two for one special today for
Speaker 2: only thirty eight dollars or best offer you could have.
Speaker 2: Nancy and Jane. Let's take a look at Nancy and Jane.
Speaker 2: They are identical twins. They have provided a variety of
Speaker 2: photos to show you that the two of them have
Speaker 2: a great time. They can do different things, they can
Speaker 2: pose in different ways. They both have on white berets
Speaker 2: with a white sleeveless top with little red hearts on
Speaker 2: it and black pants.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like they're in jone Jet and the
Speaker 1: black hearts, Like they got a total jone Jet play.
Speaker 1: This outfit, both of them.
Speaker 2: It's hot, totally short haircuts.
Speaker 1: I am not afraid of them. I want to rock
Speaker 1: with them.
Speaker 2: No, they look like fun. And then there's also one
Speaker 2: photo of them where they both have one eye closed,
Speaker 2: and I feel like that was the photographer being like, Okay,
Speaker 2: now let's do a silly photo, and that's what they
Speaker 2: came up with. There's also one that looks like when
Speaker 2: like the Matterhorn Ride or something where you like sit
Speaker 2: in the same like they're like city like, yeah, one
Speaker 2: is between the other one's legs.
Speaker 1: They're about to go down a very steep slope exactly
Speaker 1: screaming if they can open their little plastic mouths, which
Speaker 1: I don't think they can.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, let me tell you about the info that
Speaker 2: comes with these two for thirty eight dollars or best
Speaker 2: off for Nancy and Jane, it says these identical twin
Speaker 2: dolls are six year old Nancy and Jane. They are
Speaker 2: from Nashville, Tennessee. They enjoy watching old shows like The
Speaker 2: Little Rascals and also modern children's shows on TV. They
Speaker 2: like to read too, but they get bored fast and
Speaker 2: they start turning the pages. They were always referred to
Speaker 2: as the twins and love being dressed identically. They love
Speaker 2: fool in there the family and teachers. They was little
Speaker 2: pranksters but lovable. These two will occasionally have a little
Speaker 2: tantrum here and there by pushing things off the shelf.
Speaker 2: I keep them away from my nice stuff. Lol.
Speaker 1: Some of my ghosts are hilarious.
Speaker 2: Yes, Once my son separated them and Nancy cleared a
Speaker 2: coffee table, there were papers everywhere. They don't mean any harm,
Speaker 2: just their childish ways. I love when they're playing with
Speaker 2: one another. They talk in twin language. I have no
Speaker 2: idea what they're saying, and to top it off, they
Speaker 2: speak in low whispers. On occasion, I'll get a glimpse
Speaker 2: of them out of the corner of my eye. The
Speaker 2: twins will be running around the house. I think they're
Speaker 2: playing hide and seek. They love attention, but can easily
Speaker 2: entertain one another. They like to play with other spirits.
Speaker 2: They make friends easily. It makes them happy. So there
Speaker 2: you have it. For thirty eight dollars, would you purchase
Speaker 2: Nancy and Jane.
Speaker 1: No, that that person's a total bullshitter. They wouldn't get that.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't get rid of these dolls if they were
Speaker 1: doing stuff like that and it was cute and they
Speaker 1: had ghosts in the house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 1: They sound like a blast. If they're that amazing, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't be selling them for thirty eight dollars.
Speaker 2: No, I would not want to get rid of them.
Speaker 1: Nancy and Jane have some good fashion, and the white
Speaker 1: cocked berets are a real I don't ever think I've
Speaker 1: seen a look quite like this. I've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of looks.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely adorable. It has seen many looks, I know,
Speaker 2: I've seen a.
Speaker 1: Lot of looks. And you know, they're little metal rockers
Speaker 1: that hold their little eyes open or shut. They're just
Speaker 1: you know, they're not like they used to be. They
Speaker 1: do have some really strangely placed freckles that look like
Speaker 1: somebody really savagely went out the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that is sort of a makeup trend
Speaker 2: two that people will draw like little fake freckles on
Speaker 2: their face. So maybe they were you know, they went
Speaker 2: to Sephora and said, oh, that would be a cute
Speaker 2: look to try.
Speaker 1: I think felt it marker, but yeah.
Speaker 2: That would probably work best on plastic skins.
Speaker 1: Goodn't cheap filt it marker.
Speaker 2: You want to hear some ghost voices, Yeah, it's time
Speaker 2: for EVP or ev plicse. So you know how this works.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 2: I go to the internet, I find eletterdred ghost voices.
Speaker 2: Isn't a ghost speaking whodos? But I have actually gone
Speaker 2: to TikTok and found two EVPs Electronic Voice phenomenal. We're
Speaker 2: gonna give it a listen. I want you to tell
Speaker 2: me what you hear, and then I'll give you some options.
Speaker 2: One of the answers being what the person that captured
Speaker 2: I believe it saying okay, okay. This first one is
Speaker 2: from TikTok and it is from Entity Voice PI. This
Speaker 2: channel is pretty much devoted to evp's Now I will
Speaker 2: tell you first time I heard this one, I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but I can kind of
Speaker 2: hear something when I really focus on.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm closing my eyes all right, here we go.
Speaker 1: It sounds like pot and then let me play it, guys,
Speaker 1: like give me some bot or it's hot. It's hot
Speaker 1: like you're burning me.
Speaker 2: Oh, I do hear that at the beginning, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then it gets real it's a horrible sound after that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is not pleasant.
Speaker 1: It just sounds like somebody breathing way too close to
Speaker 1: like SM fifty eight with the cap or something.
Speaker 2: Well, they believe that it's saying like a short sentence.
Speaker 2: So do they believe it is a whoa? I thought
Speaker 2: my niece was broke? Damn is it b halt, do
Speaker 2: not come any further? See what you want my name?
Speaker 2: Or d is it just the sound of somebody ripping
Speaker 2: up papers while popcorn machine is playing in the background.
Speaker 2: All right, here we go.
Speaker 1: Any guesses, Well, the closest one probably is halt, don't
Speaker 1: come any closer.
Speaker 2: They believe it is c what you want my name?
Speaker 1: I would I would not have guessed that.
Speaker 2: Now that we know it, let's listen, I can kind
Speaker 2: of hear it. I mean it's a little bit of
Speaker 2: a stretch.
Speaker 1: I mean the suggestion has been put there for me
Speaker 1: now though, so I'm like, well, I still kind of
Speaker 1: hear the hall. Don't come any closer more, even though
Speaker 1: that wasn't what was said.
Speaker 2: Well, here's another one, and this one is very good.
Speaker 2: This is from at Secrets in Shadow and TikTok, and
Speaker 2: it is at a place that seems very terrifying called
Speaker 2: the Monroe House, and that is in Hartford City, Indiana.
Speaker 2: What does this go saying?
Speaker 1: OW?
Speaker 2: I don't like that. Let me play it again.
Speaker 1: I want some quiet.
Speaker 2: You want some quiet.
Speaker 1: That's what it sounds like. It sounds like it's going
Speaker 1: I want some quiet totally. It also sounds like the
Speaker 1: beginning of that song be quiet. It's like a seventies rocket. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think of it.
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 2: Is it a where is the choir? B? Why is
Speaker 2: it quiet? C? Why are you crying? Or d?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: Just like a noise? All right, let me play it again.
Speaker 1: Why is it quiet?
Speaker 2: Totally?
Speaker 1: Why is it so.
Speaker 2: I kind of hear why are you so quiet?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like, why so quiet?
Speaker 2: Why so quiet? It's a good one. Let's do one
Speaker 2: last thing. I'm just going to list off a bunch
Speaker 2: of unexplained paranormal whatever kind of stuff that's on this topic.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna list them off. Just tell me if you
Speaker 2: have any thoughts on it, Maybe you have a story
Speaker 2: that comes up any of that. All right, here we go. Okay,
Speaker 2: what do you think about psychics.
Speaker 1: I think there's real ones on superes.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been to any.
Speaker 1: No, But I know a couple of people who are
Speaker 1: natural healers who weren't and then suddenly they were, and
Speaker 1: they just weren't bullshitters at all, just like not not
Speaker 1: the kind of people who are, you know, they were
Speaker 1: kind of not guileless because that makes it sound like
Speaker 1: you're dumb, but just don't have any sort of you know,
Speaker 1: they just don't have any hustle to them whatsoever. They're
Speaker 1: like terrible liars, can't put up a front, just super
Speaker 1: super super genuine who you see is who you get
Speaker 1: kind of people. So I believe in some of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think there's a lot of ways to Like,
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of people that do it
Speaker 2: because they do genuinely want to help people, and I
Speaker 2: think that you can develop those abilities and yeah, do
Speaker 2: it for the purpose of helping people. I think that
Speaker 2: that definitely exists. And then of course there's a lot
Speaker 2: of people that use it just to scam away. And
Speaker 2: I think one thing that happens a lot is that
Speaker 2: people will turn it into their job and then they
Speaker 2: start like faking it because they're like, oh.
Speaker 1: Shit, like I need to deliver, got to keep the
Speaker 1: lights on.
Speaker 2: Any job, you can kind of go into autopilot or
Speaker 2: whatever and just sort of do it if you needed to.
Speaker 2: But it's hard because it's like, well, if you're going
Speaker 2: to talk to my dead loved ones, like, don't fake it,
Speaker 2: like now, come on.
Speaker 1: That's like when you're in job crisis and you need
Speaker 1: to decide if you really want to do this or not.
Speaker 2: Exactly So, how have you never been to a psychic
Speaker 2: after all these years?
Speaker 1: Well, I've had my taro read before, but I've never
Speaker 1: been to a psychic. I don't know. I don't I
Speaker 1: couldn't pay somebody to do something like that. I don't think.
Speaker 2: Do you believe in taro when you've had it read?
Speaker 2: Or is it just sort of a fun little thing?
Speaker 1: Or I think that stuff like taro and things of
Speaker 1: that nature, I think they get you to pay attention
Speaker 1: to yourself in a way that maybe you wouldn't normally.
Speaker 1: So while they may not have magic properties in themselves,
Speaker 1: they get you to pay attention to yourself, and therefore
Speaker 1: you may change your consciousness about something which is all
Speaker 1: magic is supposed to be anyway, right, it's a change
Speaker 1: of consciousness. So intention is very powerful. I think that
Speaker 1: it's kind of like there's a I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've heard of these, the Brian Eno cards, the oblique strategies.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So like if you're recording and you're stuck and you
Speaker 1: don't know what to do or doing anything. It's stuck
Speaker 1: and you don't know what to do. He made this
Speaker 1: deck of cards where you draw a card and they'll
Speaker 1: say like start again from the beginning, or throw everything
Speaker 1: you've done away or something, and you know you can
Speaker 1: do it or not. But if you decide to go
Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole, it's like it's like little tunnels.
Speaker 1: It gives you like little rabbit hole tunnels and you
Speaker 1: can choose to pay attention and do the rabbit hole
Speaker 1: or not. But doing it is pretty fun. It's like
Speaker 1: a puzzle totally. So I do believe it.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes it's if you're like stuck with something
Speaker 2: or whatever, just like to somebody, somebody outside of me,
Speaker 2: tell me one thing, and that's what I'll do. Like,
Speaker 2: I think that that can lead you down really cool paths. Yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: And I think people are inherently magical. Ooh, In general,
Speaker 1: I think we all have the capacity.
Speaker 2: Do you think some people are more magical than others?
Speaker 1: Definitely? I mean some people are so we're just very
Speaker 1: divorced from our natural selves. Are natural instincts, and you know,
Speaker 1: things that are considered magical are often considered very female
Speaker 1: or feminine, and you know, have been classified as hoaxes
Speaker 1: or wives tales. You know, the very name wives tales
Speaker 1: just indicates that it's thought of as bullshit when really
Speaker 1: their instincts and you know, some things, of course are ridiculous,
Speaker 1: but ridiculous things do happen.
Speaker 2: On a scale of zero to David Copperfield, How magical
Speaker 2: would you say?
Speaker 1: I am, You're definitely at David Copperfield level. Yes, but
Speaker 1: you've got a whole three D. I don't know how
Speaker 1: to explain it. He's kind of two dimensional. You're kind
Speaker 1: of like three D in the round like happening.
Speaker 2: I'm like a Sigfried and Roy and the Tigers. Okay.
Speaker 2: Do you believe in synchronicities? Like do you read into
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff or do you just let it
Speaker 2: go and go, oh, coincidence or whatever.
Speaker 1: I think I don't check it out too hard. But
Speaker 1: I do believe that if you go with a path,
Speaker 1: it does take you where you're supposed to be right
Speaker 1: and the trusting yourself and you know, following things that
Speaker 1: feel good but feel smart, not just feel good, like
Speaker 1: you know, doing a bunch of beer bongs and then
Speaker 1: they got to feel good for twenty four hours, Like
Speaker 1: the consequence has to feel as good as the beer
Speaker 1: bong when it happened the first So you know, the
Speaker 1: vomiting part kind of cancels it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not where that. Do you believe in Bigfoot?
Speaker 1: No, I don't why. I think that it's caused a
Speaker 1: lot of problems with indigenous communities in northern California, Like
Speaker 1: bigfoot tourism has been a real problem, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever the belief is amongst the different tribal nations, like
Speaker 1: that's their thing. And you know, if somebody wanted to
Speaker 1: tell me about that, I would listen openly and you know,
Speaker 1: probably understand. But I don't believe in, you know, just
Speaker 1: bigfoot happening.
Speaker 2: I like that. I mean the thing I always talk
Speaker 2: about with bigfoot is like I personally have no interest
Speaker 2: in going to look for bigfoot. No, I love to
Speaker 2: hear about it. I don't know about it. I just don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it just doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 2: want to be talked about. And I think that that's
Speaker 2: actually kind of a beautiful thing. And I think it's
Speaker 2: kind of like, then let it be well, yeah.
Speaker 1: The spirit of the thing like that. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of North American indigenous tribal stories that get turned into
Speaker 1: other things and co opted and oh, of course, so
Speaker 1: Bigfoot is is kind of the He's like the SeaWorld
Speaker 1: of that, you know what I mean, He's like the
Speaker 1: SeaWorld park, Like, come and look at the whales. We've
Speaker 1: got him trapped in these tiny little refrigerators where they
Speaker 1: can't move, you know what I mean. Like right, that's
Speaker 1: how Bigfoot makes me feel. Bigfoot makes me feel like
Speaker 1: mm mmm, no, no, I leave the Bigfoot alone.
Speaker 2: What about like that famous video from the sixties, Do
Speaker 2: you think that that was really a Bigfoot?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I think there's actually I remember my sweetheart Jeff over
Speaker 1: here recently actually showed me some footage where they clarified
Speaker 1: the film you can totally tell it's not real, And
Speaker 1: I was like, I could tell it wasn't real before
Speaker 1: you need, you need space age technology to tell you.
Speaker 4: That was real.
Speaker 1: Even as a kid, I just couldn't. I was one
Speaker 1: of those kids who like religiously watched in search.
Speaker 2: Of Oh yeah, some of those are on YouTube.
Speaker 1: But I still was not. Like I never felt the
Speaker 1: inner blockdust monster scared me a little, like the snake
Speaker 1: in the water, like, yeah, that's spooky, but the Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: There's people that look at those slowed down versions and
Speaker 2: HD whatever. I don't know all the terms, but whatever,
Speaker 2: and they are so convinced you can see muscles, it's
Speaker 2: not like a suit like you can see the different
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: No, I can't. I can't get with that one.
Speaker 2: So there's been some acknowledgment of the existence of UFOs,
Speaker 2: and not just UFOs, but that there have been bodies
Speaker 2: recovered and discovered from these unidentified fine objects. It was
Speaker 2: said under oath, do you believe in that kind of
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 1: I believe that there could be intelligent life that is
Speaker 1: not from this earth, but I don't believe in that. No.
Speaker 1: I do believe the possibility that there is intelligent life elsewhere,
Speaker 1: but I don't believe that.
Speaker 2: That we have been in contact with them.
Speaker 1: No, they don't.
Speaker 2: Okay, you don't have to.
Speaker 1: I want to, but I can't. Everything in my body
Speaker 1: just goes no. But you know, I grew up in
Speaker 1: the seventies. I'm gen X. Like that stuff was like
Speaker 1: shove down my throat, like that was the meat and
Speaker 1: potatoes of shows like In Search of and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And I think that the bad styrofoam aliens that people
Speaker 1: made with the triangular head with the big eyeballs, like
Speaker 1: it just was too ridiculous. I just couldn't. It's like,
Speaker 1: why don't you didn't you just use a catfish while
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just seems so ridiculous. I just
Speaker 1: my little he was like, nope. It gave me the
Speaker 1: big foot feelings, like nope, I believe in it, but
Speaker 1: I don't believe in that it And I you know,
Speaker 1: I don't believe that they built the pyramids in Egypt
Speaker 1: or in South America.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that whole thing. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's just some racist weirdness I think happening.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think a lot of times, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 2: And that's the thing again with like aliens. That's why
Speaker 2: I've always been That's why the first few years of
Speaker 2: this show. I was always like, I just want to
Speaker 2: talk about ghos because it gets so close to conspiracy stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like how do you like, how do you talk
Speaker 1: about Like I read a lot of authors who happen
Speaker 1: to be indigenous people and they talk about beliefs that
Speaker 1: they have, like you know, the star beings for example, right,
Speaker 1: like that, I don't disbelieve, Like there's so much we're
Speaker 1: so kind of overrun with, you know, the horrible conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: You know, aliens built the Pyramids, Aliens are in the
Speaker 1: White House. You know. It's like, no, there's just greedy
Speaker 1: dickheads in the White House.
Speaker 2: We all know it, Yes, Like come on, these people
Speaker 2: with the lizard people, yeah, and the Illuminati, and it's
Speaker 2: just it turns into a whole scary side of TikTok
Speaker 2: that I have found myself on before. And my whole
Speaker 2: algorithm turned into just people being like eight things that
Speaker 2: the government is lying about.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't like the newborn baby having
Speaker 1: mother with the ghost. I don't have time for this,
Speaker 1: just don't. My life is short, not doing it well.
Speaker 2: And that's that is sort of how it feels, where
Speaker 2: it's like, oh god, now the aliens are coming. I mean,
Speaker 2: it would be nice to shake things up a little
Speaker 2: bit around here, like.
Speaker 1: Come up with a new conspiracy theory if.
Speaker 2: It was positive, Like if the aliens come down and
Speaker 2: they want to like like these makeover TV shows, they
Speaker 2: want to do that to Earth. It's like queer or something.
Speaker 2: But they're just like, all right, Earth people like, honey,
Speaker 2: what are you guys wearing? What are you doing with
Speaker 2: your planet? Like, We're gonna help you and then we're
Speaker 2: gonna leave. That would be great.
Speaker 1: Get those tires out of the ocean. Why are you
Speaker 1: dumping garbage there?
Speaker 2: Come honey, those tires and the ocean are tired. Let's
Speaker 2: let's clean this place up. Honey, it is a mess.
Speaker 1: You've got a real spoon in the kitchen. You don't
Speaker 1: have to use that plastic spoon.
Speaker 2: Come exactly. That's what I'm hoping happens, and maybe.
Speaker 1: It will Alien Makeover.
Speaker 2: Alien Earth Makeover this fall on HGTV.
Speaker 1: Or Alien Bakeover, Bakeover.
Speaker 2: Bakeover Bacon. Hey, Nico, this has been a great time.
Speaker 2: Thanks for doing this again.
Speaker 1: Anytime you ever need me, I'm here, Oh Nico, thanks
Speaker 1: for having me.
Speaker 2: Hey what do you what do you want to tell
Speaker 2: people where to find you, what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I just want to say, Hi,
Speaker 1: how's it going. Sometimes I'm on tour. Not right now.
Speaker 1: I just got done. So right now I'm at home
Speaker 1: working on a book and gardening.
Speaker 2: Is there anything you can tell us about this book?
Speaker 1: Just write in one we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: Wow, we will be looking forward to that.
Speaker 1: Last night I thought maybe I felt a ghost behind
Speaker 1: me in my house, and I was really excited because
Speaker 1: I thought maybe it was happening, And it wasn't.
Speaker 2: What was it.
Speaker 1: It was just a reflection of a light on a
Speaker 1: door with a glass window in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to cut that part out, and I'm
Speaker 2: just going to keep the part where you say you
Speaker 2: felt like there was a ghost.
Speaker 1: Okay, I am the most disappointed guest you can have
Speaker 1: on your Now you're fun. I want it so bad, rus.
Speaker 1: I want to see a ghost or feel one, or
Speaker 1: hear one or smell one or whatever.
Speaker 2: Careful what you wish?
Speaker 1: Sure? All right, Nico, thank you, Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for having me.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much to Niko kas Ew. Guys, I
Speaker 2: love you, I love you so much. Please make sure
Speaker 2: you're still telling people about this show, and you're still
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Speaker 2: all year round around here. I love you all, both
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Speaker 2: is the Startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming
Speaker 2: Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound designed by
Speaker 2: the Eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying
Speaker 2: Patrick Kottner. Additional production support from the hair raising Hannah
Speaker 2: Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by the spine Chilling
Speaker 2: Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac. Photography
Speaker 2: by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the chilling
Speaker 2: Karen Kilgareth, the spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the frightening
Speaker 2: Danielle Kramer