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Speaker 2: It's spooky, I'm yooky. I'm really sure's dead it's coming

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Speaker 2: this way.

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, hey, I said.

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Speaker 2: I Nandas.

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Speaker 3: Please Hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted

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Speaker 3: by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people

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Speaker 3: that I like about things that are freaky and teaky

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Speaker 3: and cheeky. Did you have a good October?

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Speaker 2: I mean I had an October to remember, to say

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Speaker 2: the least. I just want to thank everybody for all

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Speaker 2: of your support and for listening to me talking NonStop

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Speaker 2: about the TV show that I get to be on

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Speaker 2: called Living for the Dead, which is now out on

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Speaker 2: Hulu and you can watch it everywhere all over the world.

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Speaker 2: I really, I really appreciate it, guys, and I'm so

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Speaker 2: happy that you've loved the show. And I've just heard

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Speaker 2: so many nice things. So thank you very much. And

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Speaker 2: now October is over and it's just you and me.

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Speaker 2: It's the real ones, the real spooky bitches have stuck

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Speaker 2: around the party, So welcome to November. I got to

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Speaker 2: talk to the brilliant musician Nico Case, who is a

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Speaker 2: return guest on the show. We will get into that

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Speaker 2: in just a moment again. I got some tour dates

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Speaker 2: coming up real quick. The eighth Wednesday, the eighth of November,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be at Stonewall in New York City. The

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Speaker 2: thirtieth of November, I'm in Seattle at the Hereafter the

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Speaker 2: first of December, I'm in Vancouver, Canada. And the third

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Speaker 2: of December, i am in Helium, Portland, Oregon. The ticket

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Speaker 2: link is in my Instagram bio or on the websites

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Speaker 2: of those venues. Okay, let me read you a story

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Speaker 2: that was sent to me. I was emailed a story

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Speaker 2: by Julie Julie Wrights. I was a tour guide in Savannah,

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Speaker 2: Georgia in two thousand and five. Who I'm already scared

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Speaker 2: the two thousand and five Savannah, Georgia. Both of those

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Speaker 2: things are spooky. Savannah is one of the oldest cities

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Speaker 2: in America and still has houses standing from the seventeen

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Speaker 2: the most haunted cities in America. The moment you step

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Speaker 2: One of the buildings I used to talk about was

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Speaker 2: a bank in its infancy, then a restaurant, and at

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Speaker 2: the time I was telling my stories, it was completely empty.

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Speaker 2: The story goes that the owner of the original bank

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Speaker 2: had a daughter named Grace, who fell ill and died

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Speaker 2: Precious, blonde haired child, and when she died, she never

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Speaker 2: seeing a blondhaired little girl in outdated clothes, hiding under

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Speaker 2: around a lot. Many stories were told about little Grace,

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Speaker 2: and I became quite fascinated by her. I would even

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Speaker 2: I would go there. Anyway, I was giving a tour

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Speaker 2: I gasped, and then some someone else gasped. I turned

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Speaker 2: other half looked perplexed. It was one of the most

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Speaker 2: Grace showed herself to me and well some of my group.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, Julie, Now that's a rare sighting, and that

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Speaker 2: And I could relate because I used to be a

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Speaker 2: She said, you know what, I'm gonna put my ponytail

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Speaker 2: how you do it. Anyway, I'm gonna talk to Nico

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Speaker 2: Case now, who I absolutely love. She cracks me up,

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Speaker 2: and we talk about one of my absolute favorite ghost

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Speaker 2: stories I've ever heard. Ever. Here we go, here's me

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Speaker 2: once again with Nico Case add with a show. I

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Speaker 2: am joined once again by a brilliant recording artist, musician,

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Speaker 2: and honestly, I'm gonna say comedian because she's very funny nicokes. Hello, Hi,

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Speaker 1: I missed you.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've missed you. I'm always so happy when I

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Speaker 1: I'm ready and I have something to run by you

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Speaker 1: if you're up for it. I don't know. Do you

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Speaker 1: like things that are not just ghost related but also

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Speaker 2: I've been known to dabble in the macob to eat

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Speaker 1: Excellent?

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Speaker 2: Why what is it? Tell me? Run it by me.

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Speaker 1: Not long before I was supposed to come on the show,

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Speaker 1: I got a text from my friend Gavin, who is

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Speaker 1: a palaeontologist cool, and he sent me a photo of

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Speaker 1: intended to inspire you. It's special because it's from one

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Speaker 1: of our seventeen or possibly eighteen cats that ate its owner,

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Speaker 1: renowned nineteen sixties cat theme sci fi outsider artist Karen Kuckendall.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I will happily send you the picture of

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 1: You sent me that, And I'm like, huh, that's funny

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Speaker 1: that he should send me something so macabre right before

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Speaker 2: The last time you were on, you did not have

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of ghost experiences. But I'm wondering if

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Speaker 1: No, just a lot of me hanging out wishing the

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Speaker 1: sad about it, but you know, I'm still open. I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I totally get that.

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Speaker 1: They're just not a fan of Where are you now?

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Speaker 1: I'm at home right now, and I just got back

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Speaker 2: I missed you when you're in La. I saw that

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Speaker 1: It's okay, you're busy.

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Speaker 2: Was it fun?

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Speaker 1: It was really fun? It was really really fun. We

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Speaker 2: Well, I've got a great segue here because I did

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Speaker 2: San Pedro haunting of Jackie Hernandez. No relation. Uh have

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Speaker 1: Were you disappointed that she wasn't related to you?

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Speaker 1: I have never heard this story?

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Speaker 2: She's a twenty three year year old single mother. She

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Speaker 2: Al came over. She tells him all about it. He's like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just I don't even know what they're capable of.

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Speaker 1: One of your precious men has confirmed that there's a

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Speaker 1: So I'd like to I'd like to see that. Actually,

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Speaker 2: So the fellas are like, we're going up into this attic.

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Speaker 2: able to wipe it off. It wasn't like an actual

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00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: like scar or whatever. She just wipes it off. But

436
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: still she's she's freaking out because she's like, Okay, now

437
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: this thing is like messing with my kids and Jeff

438
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: and in Jeff, this guy she just met from we

439
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: don't know exactly where, but first of all, I don't

440
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: it's a man getting choked in my attic. I don't

441
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 2: want another ghost. We got enough. We're at capacity in

442
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: this house. So they all leave the house. The guys

443
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: end up reviewing the footage and they start noticing that

444
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: there's these little balls of light that appear around her

445
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: all the footage of Jackie, like you can see these

446
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: little balls of lights and different parts of the house,

447
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: these little balls of light, like little tiny little balls,

448
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: and they're like shooting in a way that's not a

449
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: bug or anything. It's like really specific, just something weird

450
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 2: that happened. So Jackie at this point is like, I'm

451
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,479
Speaker 2: out of here. I'm moving three hundred miles north of

452
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: sam Pedro. She moves into a trailer in a place

453
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: called Weldon, California, And that's the story of Jackie. Hernandez

454
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 2: just kidding. As soon as she moves over there, she

455
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: starts noticing weird noises and balls of light around her trailer.

456
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: Her daughter's bedspread catches on fire. Her new neighbors are

457
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: hearing weird knocks from inside the children's bedroom. Can you

458
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: imagine moving into a new place, you know, you meet

459
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: your new neighbors. Hi, guys, Oh, this is my This

460
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: is my newborn, This is my two year old, and

461
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: my poulter. Guys, don't mind my poulter guyst He'll make

462
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 2: himself known.

463
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: If if you see any plasma, it's just my ghost

464
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: maker poltergeist that I brought with me against my will.

465
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: Exactly. Don't mind the human blood that might drip out

466
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 2: of your trailer.

467
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

468
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: So, one day her neighbors are helping her move a

469
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: TV and it's obviously unplugged whatever. They notice the face

470
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 2: of an old man on the screen. It's like staring

471
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 2: at them. Jeff and Barry roll up. She calls them.

472
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: She's like, guess what, guys, your documentary continues. So they

473
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: pull up. They pull out a Wuiji board. The table

474
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: starts shaking. It's spelling words like crazy. It's telling them

475
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 2: that it's a man that was murdered in nineteen thirty

476
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: in the San Pedro Bay. He says that there's ghosts

477
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: all around her. He says that he hates Jeff because

478
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: Jeff looks like the man who killed this man.

479
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: So the Jeff thing wasn't like random nearest guy to me,

480
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: it was it was specific.

481
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so this ghost is already pissed off, he

482
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 2: already wants Jackie and her babies out of this house.

483
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: Then he sees Jeff and he's like, wait, that kind

484
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: of looks like the guy that killed me. And then

485
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: get I guess it's just a crazy lou cooincidence. I

486
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, if that was if I was Jeff,

487
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: I'd be like with the Wigi board, I'd be like,

488
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: show me a picture of the guy. Because every time

489
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: someone says I, oh, I gotta show you someone that

490
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: looks just like you, it's almost always an insult, and

491
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: I would have wanted to see the picture, agreed. I

492
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: would say, Okay, listen, ghost, pull it up. Let's see

493
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: if this guy does not look like me. You're out

494
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: of here. The documentary's over. I'm burning some stuff, and

495
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: we're getting you gone. So they're doing the Ouija board,

496
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, Jeff is picked up

497
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: in thrown against the wall. Unfortunately this part is not

498
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: in the documentary, but there's an amazing reenactment of an

499
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: actor being picked up in thrown.

500
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: I know what I'm watching tonight.

501
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: You have to it's so good. So a bond further research,

502
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: they find records of a man in nineteen thirty that

503
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 2: died under suspected foul play, though ruled accidental because there

504
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: was not enough info in San Pedro, so they come

505
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: to the conclusion that must be him. I don't know whatever,

506
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: he did work near Jackie's house as a seaman, so

507
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: it's starting to all make sense. They also realize the

508
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: not from the little rope that was choked around Jeff's

509
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: neck was a knot that was used by seamen. So

510
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: we think we know that she's got the ghost of

511
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: a semen. Semen, so it's just fun to say her

512
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: house is leaking bodily fluids and she's it's covered with semen.

513
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: There's signs of semen everywhere.

514
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: There's no semen all over, and they're shooting balls. There's

515
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: balls shooting around her house and there's signs of Semen. Right, Okay,

516
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: so she decides, you know what, I'm out of this

517
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: part of California. She's like, I might as well go

518
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: back and soak up the sun. So she goes back

519
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: down to San Pedro, but she moves into an apartment,

520
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: not the original house, because she's like, I guess this

521
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: ghost is gonna come with me no matter where, Like,

522
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: I might as well just go back over there.

523
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: Might as well live some more nice I want to live,

524
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: not in a trailer.

525
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: Yes. At this point, this whole story has been less

526
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: than two years and it's just NonStop. So she is back.

527
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: Guess what. Guess who's decided to move with her the Semen.

528
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: So his light balls are shooting all over her new

529
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: apartment and she at this point gets really cool pictures

530
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: of these balls of light and they are something, and

531
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: a lot of credible people examine them and they're like, Okay,

532
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: we don't know what that is. But it's not just

533
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: it's not a glare off of something. It's not all

534
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: the other things that you could rule out. So not

535
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: only is this thing following her places, it's also following

536
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: Jeff the investigator, this poor guy.

537
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: So he got haunted by the semen as well, like

538
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: getting chicken pox.

539
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: Basically exactly it is. It's contagious. But if you told

540
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: me that I look like your murderer and that's why

541
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: you're going to now make my life a living how,

542
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: I would also get myself a disguise at that point.

543
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, or a stylist to help you get out of

544
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: that situation.

545
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. First of all, I'd be offended that I look

546
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: like a murderer.

547
00:31:59,000 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

548
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: And also I would get you know, a fake mustache,

549
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: a wig of some sort I don't know, so that

550
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: the ghost creeps in and goes, oh, sorry, wrong apartment.

551
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: He lives in Studio City, which is probably I would

552
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: say forty five minutes if there's no traffic from San Pedro.

553
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's plastic surgery there. Yes.

554
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: The cheaper option is that there there are wardrobe stores,

555
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: there's special effects makeup stores. He does not do that.

556
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: So many times in his Studio City apartment, the burners

557
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: on his stove would turn on by themselves. This is

558
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: dangerous m HM. Didn't happen before he met Jackie Hernandez

559
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: and her ghost. One time he came home. He alleges

560
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: there's video of this, but after the fact he comes

561
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: home and there's two pairs of scissors open underneath his

562
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: bed pillows, like this ghost was setting a trap, expecting

563
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 2: him to get in the bed and chop himself up

564
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: by accident or something. One time, he says, this window

565
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: broke in the apartment. He collects all the glass, brings

566
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,479
Speaker 2: it down to the dumpster. He says, as soon as

567
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: he goes back up, there's a big, old, sharp shard

568
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: of glass and it's on his typewriter, sharp side, pointing upward.

569
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: And he claims that it was a piece that he

570
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: had just thrown away, so somehow it flew back from

571
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: the dumpster onto his typewriter. Also another night, he and

572
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: his boys come home late at night and there's just

573
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: NonStop activity going on over the place. Somehow white out

574
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: gets scribbled all over one of his camera lenses. I mean,

575
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: so much shit happened in this apartment. And then basically

576
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety seven documentary, it just kind of ends.

577
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: That's all it gives you.

578
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: It's like then things slowed down for Jackie and it

579
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: was over.

580
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: Where's Shackie? Now? How do we get her on the phone?

581
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: Trust me, I know I might have to do some

582
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: family tree. I know a couple of Hernandez's I could.

583
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure we know Jackie somehow.

584
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: For Jeff, what's chef up to?

585
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 4: Well?

586
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: I did hear an interview with Barry Taff, the parapsychologist,

587
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: and he's like, Jeff has PTSD because of this, Like

588
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: it was so traumatic. I mean, he was attacked by

589
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: this thing and again he was like a skeptic before,

590
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: so his whole world was shaken over for Jeff, and

591
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: I don't think he ever did any of this kind

592
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: of work after that. I did try to find I'm like,

593
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 2: where is Jackie, What's going on? There's an La Times

594
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: article from nineteen ninety three, so this was after the

595
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 2: actual activity was happening, but before this documentary came out.

596
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 2: It's in the La Times, written by Gary Abrams. It's

597
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: called Tangled Tales from the Crypt. For three years, Jackie

598
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: Hernandez says she was followed by a pair of puzzling

599
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 2: and persistent ghosts, and it has different info. It says

600
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: that she believed that there was actually two ghosts, and

601
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: she had dreams of being held underwater and the people

602
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: that she was around in her dream looked like they

603
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: were from the thirties, So she believed that that was

604
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: like the seamen ghost.

605
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: Is that how the seman died? I forget how he

606
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: was murdered.

607
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: Was his body was found in the harbor?

608
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: Okay? I guess if there was lack of evidence, drowning

609
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: would be one of those ways, like they'd be like, well,

610
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: did somebody drown? I don't know, there's no suspicious marks

611
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: or anything.

612
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: But he did have a mark on his head, I believe,

613
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: so it was like did he hit his head and

614
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: then fall in the water, Like nobody knows for sure.

615
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: That is suspicious and could go either way.

616
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: She believes from a Ouiji session that the murderer lived

617
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 2: in that house, the original house, so it wasn't the seamen.

618
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: It was the seamen trying to get revenge on whoever

619
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 2: did kill the semen. And then she believes that the

620
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 2: other ghost was the ghost of a man, the man

621
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: who actually built the house. She also says in this

622
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: La Times article, I don't know why none of this

623
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: is in the documentary, but whatever that when she had

624
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: moved back to San Pedro, she saw a ball of

625
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: light outside of her apartment and she followed it to

626
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 2: a graveyard and it lingered over a headstone that was

627
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: confirmed to be the man who built the house, and

628
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: then after that it vanished, and then his haunting stopped

629
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: with her, and again she did see an old man

630
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: in the house, the original house with the flannel on

631
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: the semen, I believe was a younger man, okay, And

632
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: I think the semen just kind of got over it,

633
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: which is like, yeah, leave her alone, Like she's not

634
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: your killer, Like what is your deal, dude, Like leave

635
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: this poor woman alone and poor Jeff.

636
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: But she's some sort of conduit to help ghosts travel

637
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: around or something like, ah, hello, portal lady, I'm gonna

638
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: find the guy who murdered me through you, portal lady.

639
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: Bother you are your breastfeeding but this is really super

640
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: important for.

641
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: Me, exactly. My favorite part of this La Times article

642
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: is that they interview her former babysitter, and this former

643
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 2: babysitter has got some fighting words. The babysitter says that

644
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: the haunting has permanently changed her and her nandas she

645
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: says that she's become more religious, while her friend Jackie

646
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: quote overreacts to everything, it seems that she's sunk into

647
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: total neurosis. The two of them have drifted apart, she says,

648
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: remarking that the haunting is quote the only thing we

649
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: have in common.

650
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: Jackie not pay her or something or.

651
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: Jackie who had enough to deal with Okay, I don't know.

652
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: But the other show that I found, it's called Paranormal

653
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: Witness and it's season two, episode two. It came out

654
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve, and she is interviewed in it, and

655
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: it's a re enactment show that's really scary. And the

656
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: episode is called The Man in the Attic and it

657
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: has a lot of different details. Some of the details

658
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: that I shared here are from that and then also

659
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 2: from the original documentary. But I just love the original documentary.

660
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: It's so good and that's pretty much the story of

661
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: Jackie Hernandez. Do you believe it? Nico Case.

662
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: I got to watch the documentary first and looking to

663
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: my left and seeing my own Jeff over there, who

664
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: I know about your show from Jeff originally because he's

665
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: a huge fan of your show. He's got the look

666
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: on his face like, oh, we're watching that tonight. We are,

667
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: So I'm about to find out. I'm gonna I'm gonna say, yeah,

668
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: I do believe it.

669
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: I do too.

670
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many things we can't explain, and

671
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 1: who with a brand new baby and a toddler has

672
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: time for that kind of stuff.

673
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 2: And going to school and work.

674
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I could see her being a little

675
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: like you know, I've had moments where I feel like

676
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: I've separated from my sanity a little bit and thought

677
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: some stuff was pretty real. So it could be that too.

678
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: But if it was real to her, then it was real, right.

679
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: But then you get all these other people witnessing it.

680
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: That's the biggest thing. Even these people when she lived

681
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: in that trailer, they're interviewed and they're like, we saw

682
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: an old man's face staring at us in this TV screen.

683
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: And the plasma real life, plasma.

684
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: Real life? Where would she have gotten that plasma from

685
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: if she was trying to fake this? I don't know.

686
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: It's a good one, it's a really good one. It's

687
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 2: just a lot of stuff that I've never even heard of. Like,

688
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: there's just so much going on with this.

689
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 1: But the balls of light fascinate me. I've seen balls

690
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: of light, so I mean why not?

691
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, these ones are really cool and there's actually

692
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: I only gave you some of the details, there's like

693
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: a lot more. I mean, it seemed like it was

694
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: NonStop stuff. But her babysitter, the disgruntled babysitter, I don't

695
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: know if it was her or a different babysitter, but

696
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: one of the babysitters and her witnessed like these kind

697
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: of larger balls of light in their kitchen, just sort

698
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 2: of floating around, and they're like the light was coming

699
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: out of them. They weren't. I don't know. It's just

700
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: very strange. It's the whole thing is strange.

701
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: But when you first kind of set up the story,

702
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: I was kind of like balls of light. I was like, well,

703
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: is San Pedro one of the areas in Los Angeles

704
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 1: where they do a lot of oil field stuff, because

705
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: like you know, La is surrounded by this stuff. I thought, well,

706
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: maybe there's you know, natural gases in the air, and

707
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's just maybe in a less than pseudo.

708
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: Scientist, Well, it turns out this house has bigger problems

709
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: than the balls of light. That actually sounds nice compared

710
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: to some of this stuff. That's one of those things

711
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: where how convenient would it be could save you on

712
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: a couple of bills if turn off all the lights

713
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: and then be like, go, I have some homework I

714
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 2: have to do for college right now? Can you just

715
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: linger over here with your light bulbs and just illuminate

716
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: my homework over here? Ghosts, it's hot, Can you just

717
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: make this room cold real quick? That would be nice.

718
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: That would be a nice use of a ghost. But

719
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: unfortunately she had no need for human plasma or a

720
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: stinky smell.

721
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: Are ghosts were helpful? I mean, you know a million

722
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: ghost stories, Like do you hear about helpful ghosts?

723
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, you hear a lot of these stories that

724
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: are you know a lot of people will say angels

725
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: or whatever right intervening when there's an accident happening or

726
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: something and helping people get out of a car during

727
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: a car wreck, or you know, just different things like

728
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: that that are helpful. But it's rare to hear stories

729
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 2: of a ghost actually trying to kill somebody and almost

730
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: succeeding and it being so non stop. The way that

731
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: this story sounds, it just sounds like hell. It sounds horrible.

732
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: I mean, you already can't sleep because you got a baby,

733
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 2: and then you have to deal with this, My poor

734
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: aunt Jackie. I feel terrible for her.

735
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: I know you got to get her on the horn.

736
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: You're telling me see.

737
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: How it's played out, and if she's still overreactive to everything,

738
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

739
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: Well should I have her and then do it nineties

740
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: talk show style where I pull out the babysitter. Well,

741
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 2: guess so we've got backstage right now, your former babysitter

742
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: come on out.

743
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: And then they just come charging out.

744
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, So I have another thing that I like

745
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: to do here we look at some haunted dolls that

746
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: are currently for sale, a little segment I like to

747
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: call the dolls are living. So I go to eBay

748
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 2: sometimes atsy different places. I've looked at Craigslist, I've checked

749
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: out Facebook, Marketplace, but my favorite is eBay. And I

750
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: have got you a two for one special today for

751
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 2: only thirty eight dollars or best offer you could have.

752
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: Nancy and Jane. Let's take a look at Nancy and Jane.

753
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: They are identical twins. They have provided a variety of

754
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: photos to show you that the two of them have

755
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: a great time. They can do different things, they can

756
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: pose in different ways. They both have on white berets

757
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: with a white sleeveless top with little red hearts on

758
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: it and black pants.

759
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: It's kind of like they're in jone Jet and the

760
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: black hearts, Like they got a total jone Jet play.

761
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: This outfit, both of them.

762
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: It's hot, totally short haircuts.

763
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: I am not afraid of them. I want to rock

764
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: with them.

765
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: No, they look like fun. And then there's also one

766
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: photo of them where they both have one eye closed,

767
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: and I feel like that was the photographer being like, Okay,

768
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: now let's do a silly photo, and that's what they

769
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: came up with. There's also one that looks like when

770
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: like the Matterhorn Ride or something where you like sit

771
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: in the same like they're like city like, yeah, one

772
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: is between the other one's legs.

773
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: They're about to go down a very steep slope exactly

774
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: screaming if they can open their little plastic mouths, which

775
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't think they can.

776
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, let me tell you about the info that

777
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: comes with these two for thirty eight dollars or best

778
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: off for Nancy and Jane, it says these identical twin

779
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: dolls are six year old Nancy and Jane. They are

780
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: from Nashville, Tennessee. They enjoy watching old shows like The

781
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: Little Rascals and also modern children's shows on TV. They

782
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: like to read too, but they get bored fast and

783
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 2: they start turning the pages. They were always referred to

784
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: as the twins and love being dressed identically. They love

785
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: fool in there the family and teachers. They was little

786
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: pranksters but lovable. These two will occasionally have a little

787
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: tantrum here and there by pushing things off the shelf.

788
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: I keep them away from my nice stuff. Lol.

789
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: Some of my ghosts are hilarious.

790
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: Yes, Once my son separated them and Nancy cleared a

791
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: coffee table, there were papers everywhere. They don't mean any harm,

792
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: just their childish ways. I love when they're playing with

793
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: one another. They talk in twin language. I have no

794
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: idea what they're saying, and to top it off, they

795
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: speak in low whispers. On occasion, I'll get a glimpse

796
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: of them out of the corner of my eye. The

797
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 2: twins will be running around the house. I think they're

798
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: playing hide and seek. They love attention, but can easily

799
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: entertain one another. They like to play with other spirits.

800
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: They make friends easily. It makes them happy. So there

801
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: you have it. For thirty eight dollars, would you purchase

802
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: Nancy and Jane.

803
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: No, that that person's a total bullshitter. They wouldn't get that.

804
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: They wouldn't get rid of these dolls if they were

805
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: doing stuff like that and it was cute and they

806
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: had ghosts in the house.

807
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's wrong with that?

808
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: They sound like a blast. If they're that amazing, they

809
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't be selling them for thirty eight dollars.

810
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: No, I would not want to get rid of them.

811
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: Nancy and Jane have some good fashion, and the white

812
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: cocked berets are a real I don't ever think I've

813
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: seen a look quite like this. I've seen a lot

814
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: of looks.

815
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: It's absolutely adorable. It has seen many looks, I know,

816
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: I've seen a.

817
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 1: Lot of looks. And you know, they're little metal rockers

818
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: that hold their little eyes open or shut. They're just

819
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: you know, they're not like they used to be. They

820
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: do have some really strangely placed freckles that look like

821
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: somebody really savagely went out the time.

822
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that is sort of a makeup trend

823
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: two that people will draw like little fake freckles on

824
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: their face. So maybe they were you know, they went

825
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: to Sephora and said, oh, that would be a cute

826
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: look to try.

827
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: I think felt it marker, but yeah.

828
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: That would probably work best on plastic skins.

829
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: Goodn't cheap filt it marker.

830
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 2: You want to hear some ghost voices, Yeah, it's time

831
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: for EVP or ev plicse. So you know how this works.

832
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 4: I do.

833
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: I go to the internet, I find eletterdred ghost voices.

834
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: Isn't a ghost speaking whodos? But I have actually gone

835
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: to TikTok and found two EVPs Electronic Voice phenomenal. We're

836
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: gonna give it a listen. I want you to tell

837
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: me what you hear, and then I'll give you some options.

838
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: One of the answers being what the person that captured

839
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: I believe it saying okay, okay. This first one is

840
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: from TikTok and it is from Entity Voice PI. This

841
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: channel is pretty much devoted to evp's Now I will

842
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 2: tell you first time I heard this one, I was like,

843
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but I can kind of

844
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: hear something when I really focus on.

845
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm closing my eyes all right, here we go.

846
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: It sounds like pot and then let me play it, guys,

847
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: like give me some bot or it's hot. It's hot

848
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: like you're burning me.

849
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: Oh, I do hear that at the beginning, Yeah, and

850
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: then it gets real it's a horrible sound after that. Yeah,

851
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 2: that is not pleasant.

852
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: It just sounds like somebody breathing way too close to

853
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: like SM fifty eight with the cap or something.

854
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: Well, they believe that it's saying like a short sentence.

855
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: So do they believe it is a whoa? I thought

856
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 2: my niece was broke? Damn is it b halt, do

857
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: not come any further? See what you want my name?

858
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: Or d is it just the sound of somebody ripping

859
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: up papers while popcorn machine is playing in the background.

860
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: All right, here we go.

861
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: Any guesses, Well, the closest one probably is halt, don't

862
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: come any closer.

863
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: They believe it is c what you want my name?

864
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: I would I would not have guessed that.

865
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: Now that we know it, let's listen, I can kind

866
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: of hear it. I mean it's a little bit of

867
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 2: a stretch.

868
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: I mean the suggestion has been put there for me

869
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: now though, so I'm like, well, I still kind of

870
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: hear the hall. Don't come any closer more, even though

871
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: that wasn't what was said.

872
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: Well, here's another one, and this one is very good.

873
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: This is from at Secrets in Shadow and TikTok, and

874
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 2: it is at a place that seems very terrifying called

875
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 2: the Monroe House, and that is in Hartford City, Indiana.

876
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: What does this go saying?

877
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: OW?

878
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 2: I don't like that. Let me play it again.

879
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: I want some quiet.

880
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: You want some quiet.

881
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: That's what it sounds like. It sounds like it's going

882
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: I want some quiet totally. It also sounds like the

883
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: beginning of that song be quiet. It's like a seventies rocket. Oh,

884
00:50:58,520 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: I think of it.

885
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 4: Wow?

886
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 2: Is it a where is the choir? B? Why is

887
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 2: it quiet? C? Why are you crying? Or d?

888
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: Wow?

889
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: Just like a noise? All right, let me play it again.

890
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: Why is it quiet?

891
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: Totally?

892
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: Why is it so.

893
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: I kind of hear why are you so quiet?

894
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like, why so quiet?

895
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: Why so quiet? It's a good one. Let's do one

896
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: last thing. I'm just going to list off a bunch

897
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: of unexplained paranormal whatever kind of stuff that's on this topic.

898
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna list them off. Just tell me if you

899
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: have any thoughts on it, Maybe you have a story

900
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 2: that comes up any of that. All right, here we go. Okay,

901
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: what do you think about psychics.

902
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: I think there's real ones on superes.

903
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: Have you ever been to any.

904
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: No, But I know a couple of people who are

905
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: natural healers who weren't and then suddenly they were, and

906
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: they just weren't bullshitters at all, just like not not

907
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: the kind of people who are, you know, they were

908
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: kind of not guileless because that makes it sound like

909
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: you're dumb, but just don't have any sort of you know,

910
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: they just don't have any hustle to them whatsoever. They're

911
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: like terrible liars, can't put up a front, just super

912
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: super super genuine who you see is who you get

913
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: kind of people. So I believe in some of it.

914
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think there's a lot of ways to Like,

915
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of people that do it

916
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: because they do genuinely want to help people, and I

917
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 2: think that you can develop those abilities and yeah, do

918
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: it for the purpose of helping people. I think that

919
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: that definitely exists. And then of course there's a lot

920
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: of people that use it just to scam away. And

921
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: I think one thing that happens a lot is that

922
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: people will turn it into their job and then they

923
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 2: start like faking it because they're like, oh.

924
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: Shit, like I need to deliver, got to keep the

925
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: lights on.

926
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: Any job, you can kind of go into autopilot or

927
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: whatever and just sort of do it if you needed to.

928
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: But it's hard because it's like, well, if you're going

929
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 2: to talk to my dead loved ones, like, don't fake it,

930
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: like now, come on.

931
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 1: That's like when you're in job crisis and you need

932
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: to decide if you really want to do this or not.

933
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 2: Exactly So, how have you never been to a psychic

934
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 2: after all these years?

935
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: Well, I've had my taro read before, but I've never

936
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: been to a psychic. I don't know. I don't I

937
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: couldn't pay somebody to do something like that. I don't think.

938
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: Do you believe in taro when you've had it read?

939
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: Or is it just sort of a fun little thing?

940
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: Or I think that stuff like taro and things of

941
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: that nature, I think they get you to pay attention

942
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: to yourself in a way that maybe you wouldn't normally.

943
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: So while they may not have magic properties in themselves,

944
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: they get you to pay attention to yourself, and therefore

945
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: you may change your consciousness about something which is all

946
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: magic is supposed to be anyway, right, it's a change

947
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: of consciousness. So intention is very powerful. I think that

948
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: it's kind of like there's a I don't know if

949
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 1: you've heard of these, the Brian Eno cards, the oblique strategies.

950
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

951
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: So like if you're recording and you're stuck and you

952
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: don't know what to do or doing anything. It's stuck

953
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: and you don't know what to do. He made this

954
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: deck of cards where you draw a card and they'll

955
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: say like start again from the beginning, or throw everything

956
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: you've done away or something, and you know you can

957
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: do it or not. But if you decide to go

958
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole, it's like it's like little tunnels.

959
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: It gives you like little rabbit hole tunnels and you

960
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: can choose to pay attention and do the rabbit hole

961
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: or not. But doing it is pretty fun. It's like

962
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: a puzzle totally. So I do believe it.

963
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 2: I think sometimes it's if you're like stuck with something

964
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: or whatever, just like to somebody, somebody outside of me,

965
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 2: tell me one thing, and that's what I'll do. Like,

966
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: I think that that can lead you down really cool paths. Yeah,

967
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: for sure.

968
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: And I think people are inherently magical. Ooh, In general,

969
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: I think we all have the capacity.

970
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: Do you think some people are more magical than others?

971
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 1: Definitely? I mean some people are so we're just very

972
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: divorced from our natural selves. Are natural instincts, and you know,

973
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: things that are considered magical are often considered very female

974
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: or feminine, and you know, have been classified as hoaxes

975
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: or wives tales. You know, the very name wives tales

976
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: just indicates that it's thought of as bullshit when really

977
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: their instincts and you know, some things, of course are ridiculous,

978
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: but ridiculous things do happen.

979
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 2: On a scale of zero to David Copperfield, How magical

980
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 2: would you say?

981
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: I am, You're definitely at David Copperfield level. Yes, but

982
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: you've got a whole three D. I don't know how

983
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: to explain it. He's kind of two dimensional. You're kind

984
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: of like three D in the round like happening.

985
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: I'm like a Sigfried and Roy and the Tigers. Okay.

986
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 2: Do you believe in synchronicities? Like do you read into

987
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff or do you just let it

988
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 2: go and go, oh, coincidence or whatever.

989
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: I think I don't check it out too hard. But

990
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: I do believe that if you go with a path,

991
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: it does take you where you're supposed to be right

992
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: and the trusting yourself and you know, following things that

993
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: feel good but feel smart, not just feel good, like

994
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, doing a bunch of beer bongs and then

995
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: they got to feel good for twenty four hours, Like

996
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: the consequence has to feel as good as the beer

997
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: bong when it happened the first So you know, the

998
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: vomiting part kind of cancels it out.

999
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not where that. Do you believe in Bigfoot?

1000
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: No, I don't why. I think that it's caused a

1001
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: lot of problems with indigenous communities in northern California, Like

1002
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: bigfoot tourism has been a real problem, and uh, you know,

1003
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: whatever the belief is amongst the different tribal nations, like

1004
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: that's their thing. And you know, if somebody wanted to

1005
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: tell me about that, I would listen openly and you know,

1006
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: probably understand. But I don't believe in, you know, just

1007
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: bigfoot happening.

1008
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: I like that. I mean the thing I always talk

1009
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: about with bigfoot is like I personally have no interest

1010
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 2: in going to look for bigfoot. No, I love to

1011
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 2: hear about it. I don't know about it. I just don't.

1012
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it just doesn't it doesn't

1013
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: want to be talked about. And I think that that's

1014
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: actually kind of a beautiful thing. And I think it's

1015
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: kind of like, then let it be well, yeah.

1016
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: The spirit of the thing like that. There's a lot

1017
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: of North American indigenous tribal stories that get turned into

1018
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: other things and co opted and oh, of course, so

1019
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: Bigfoot is is kind of the He's like the SeaWorld

1020
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: of that, you know what I mean, He's like the

1021
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: SeaWorld park, Like, come and look at the whales. We've

1022
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: got him trapped in these tiny little refrigerators where they

1023
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: can't move, you know what I mean. Like right, that's

1024
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: how Bigfoot makes me feel. Bigfoot makes me feel like

1025
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: mm mmm, no, no, I leave the Bigfoot alone.

1026
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 2: What about like that famous video from the sixties, Do

1027
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: you think that that was really a Bigfoot?

1028
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 4: No?

1029
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: I think there's actually I remember my sweetheart Jeff over

1030
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: here recently actually showed me some footage where they clarified

1031
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: the film you can totally tell it's not real, And

1032
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: I was like, I could tell it wasn't real before

1033
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: you need, you need space age technology to tell you.

1034
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 4: That was real.

1035
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: Even as a kid, I just couldn't. I was one

1036
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: of those kids who like religiously watched in search.

1037
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 2: Of Oh yeah, some of those are on YouTube.

1038
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: But I still was not. Like I never felt the

1039
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: inner blockdust monster scared me a little, like the snake

1040
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: in the water, like, yeah, that's spooky, but the Bigfoot.

1041
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 2: There's people that look at those slowed down versions and

1042
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: HD whatever. I don't know all the terms, but whatever,

1043
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: and they are so convinced you can see muscles, it's

1044
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: not like a suit like you can see the different

1045
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1046
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: No, I can't. I can't get with that one.

1047
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 2: So there's been some acknowledgment of the existence of UFOs,

1048
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 2: and not just UFOs, but that there have been bodies

1049
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 2: recovered and discovered from these unidentified fine objects. It was

1050
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: said under oath, do you believe in that kind of

1051
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 2: a thing.

1052
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: I believe that there could be intelligent life that is

1053
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: not from this earth, but I don't believe in that. No.

1054
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: I do believe the possibility that there is intelligent life elsewhere,

1055
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: but I don't believe that.

1056
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: That we have been in contact with them.

1057
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: No, they don't.

1058
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 2: Okay, you don't have to.

1059
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: I want to, but I can't. Everything in my body

1060
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: just goes no. But you know, I grew up in

1061
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: the seventies. I'm gen X. Like that stuff was like

1062
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: shove down my throat, like that was the meat and

1063
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: potatoes of shows like In Search of and stuff like that.

1064
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: And I think that the bad styrofoam aliens that people

1065
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: made with the triangular head with the big eyeballs, like

1066
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: it just was too ridiculous. I just couldn't. It's like,

1067
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: why don't you didn't you just use a catfish while

1068
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just seems so ridiculous. I just

1069
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: my little he was like, nope. It gave me the

1070
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: big foot feelings, like nope, I believe in it, but

1071
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't believe in that it And I you know,

1072
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: I don't believe that they built the pyramids in Egypt

1073
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: or in South America.

1074
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that whole thing. Yeah, I don't know.

1075
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: That's just some racist weirdness I think happening.

1076
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think a lot of times, yes, absolutely,

1077
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 2: And that's the thing again with like aliens. That's why

1078
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 2: I've always been That's why the first few years of

1079
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 2: this show. I was always like, I just want to

1080
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 2: talk about ghos because it gets so close to conspiracy stuff.

1081
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, like how do you like, how do you talk

1082
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: about Like I read a lot of authors who happen

1083
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Speaker 1: to be indigenous people and they talk about beliefs that

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Speaker 1: they have, like you know, the star beings for example, right,

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Speaker 1: like that, I don't disbelieve, Like there's so much we're

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Speaker 1: so kind of overrun with, you know, the horrible conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 1: You know, aliens built the Pyramids, Aliens are in the

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Speaker 1: White House. You know. It's like, no, there's just greedy

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Speaker 1: dickheads in the White House.

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Speaker 2: We all know it, Yes, Like come on, these people

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Speaker 2: with the lizard people, yeah, and the Illuminati, and it's

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Speaker 2: just it turns into a whole scary side of TikTok

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Speaker 2: that I have found myself on before. And my whole

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01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 2: algorithm turned into just people being like eight things that

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Speaker 2: the government is lying about.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't like the newborn baby having

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Speaker 1: mother with the ghost. I don't have time for this,

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Speaker 1: just don't. My life is short, not doing it well.

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Speaker 2: And that's that is sort of how it feels, where

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Speaker 2: it's like, oh god, now the aliens are coming. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it would be nice to shake things up a little

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Speaker 2: bit around here, like.

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Speaker 1: Come up with a new conspiracy theory if.

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Speaker 2: It was positive, Like if the aliens come down and

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Speaker 2: they want to like like these makeover TV shows, they

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Speaker 2: want to do that to Earth. It's like queer or something.

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Speaker 2: But they're just like, all right, Earth people like, honey,

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Speaker 2: what are you guys wearing? What are you doing with

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Speaker 2: your planet? Like, We're gonna help you and then we're

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Speaker 2: gonna leave. That would be great.

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Speaker 1: Get those tires out of the ocean. Why are you

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Speaker 1: dumping garbage there?

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Speaker 2: Come honey, those tires and the ocean are tired. Let's

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Speaker 2: let's clean this place up. Honey, it is a mess.

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Speaker 1: You've got a real spoon in the kitchen. You don't

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Speaker 1: have to use that plastic spoon.

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Speaker 2: Come exactly. That's what I'm hoping happens, and maybe.

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Speaker 1: It will Alien Makeover.

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Speaker 2: Alien Earth Makeover this fall on HGTV.

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Speaker 1: Or Alien Bakeover, Bakeover.

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Speaker 2: Bakeover Bacon. Hey, Nico, this has been a great time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for doing this again.

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Speaker 1: Anytime you ever need me, I'm here, Oh Nico, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me.

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Speaker 2: Hey what do you what do you want to tell

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Speaker 2: people where to find you, what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I just want to say, Hi,

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Speaker 1: how's it going. Sometimes I'm on tour. Not right now.

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Speaker 1: I just got done. So right now I'm at home

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Speaker 1: working on a book and gardening.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything you can tell us about this book?

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Speaker 1: Just write in one we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Wow, we will be looking forward to that.

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Speaker 1: Last night I thought maybe I felt a ghost behind

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Speaker 1: me in my house, and I was really excited because

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Speaker 1: I thought maybe it was happening, And it wasn't.

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Speaker 2: What was it.

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Speaker 1: It was just a reflection of a light on a

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Speaker 1: door with a glass window in it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to cut that part out, and I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to keep the part where you say you

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Speaker 2: felt like there was a ghost.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I am the most disappointed guest you can have

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Speaker 1: on your Now you're fun. I want it so bad, rus.

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Speaker 1: I want to see a ghost or feel one, or

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Speaker 1: hear one or smell one or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Careful what you wish?

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Speaker 1: Sure? All right, Nico, thank you, Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for having me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much to Niko kas Ew. Guys, I

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Speaker 2: love you, I love you so much. Please make sure

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Speaker 2: you're still telling people about this show, and you're still

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Speaker 2: tuning in and all of that stuff because it's spooky

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Speaker 2: all year round around here. I love you all, both

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Speaker 2: the living and dead. But if I didn't ask you

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Speaker 2: to haunt me, don't haunt me came back. This has

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Speaker 2: been an exactly right production. Want to share your paranormal

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Speaker 2: experience on the podcast. I read stories out loud and

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Speaker 2: sometimes I'll even call you, so email me at ghosted

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Speaker 2: by Raz at gmail dot com. You can send a

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Speaker 2: DM or voice message to the show's instagram at ghost

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Speaker 2: by Roz. Give us a follow while you're there, and

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Speaker 2: follow me Roz on Instagram at roz Hernandez and on

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Speaker 2: TikTok and Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez. My senior producer

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Speaker 2: is the Startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming

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Speaker 2: Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound designed by

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Speaker 2: the Eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying

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Speaker 2: Patrick Kottner. Additional production support from the hair raising Hannah

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Speaker 2: Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by the spine Chilling

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Speaker 2: Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac. Photography

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Speaker 2: by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the chilling

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Speaker 2: Karen Kilgareth, the spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the frightening

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Speaker 2: Danielle Kramer