1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Thursdays. They should a big blue kickoff live 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: here on giants dot com. He's Jeff Fiagel's I'm Lance 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Meado with you for the next sixty minutes as we'll 4 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: break down everything from mandatory minicamp. It is officially in 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: the books. Giants wrapped up day three as they went 6 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: out and practiced Tuesday, Wednesday and today. They'll not have 7 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: a few more O T A s before they break 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: before the start of training camp. Two zero one three. 9 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: That is the telephone number hashtag Giants Chat out Twitter. 10 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: It is all presented by Corps Light, so we'll get 11 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: to your phone calls to get your tweets along the way. 12 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: Pat Shermer spoke to the media a short while ago. 13 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: Jeff wrapped up his thoughts of what he saw out 14 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: of his team over the course of the last three days. 15 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: Was very pleased with the competition and really emphasized the 16 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: development of the rookies and you and I got into 17 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: this a little bit yesterday. But the two guys that 18 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: he highlighted Daniel Jones, which is no surprise. He feels 19 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: as if it's not overwhelming for him compared to other 20 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks. That he's been around. Well, I think that 21 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: you know, when you're the when you're the sixth pick 22 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: in the NFL draft as a quarterback, the do Dillon 23 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: just has been done. You're gonna come in. They know 24 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: he's gonna be accelerated. And he coming from Duke. He's 25 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: a smart guy. It's very similar offense, so you know, 26 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: and it's a matter of you know, some guys can 27 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: pick things up quickly. He's one of them that can 28 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: pick things up quickly in the meeting room and then 29 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: go apply it on the field. That's the big transition 30 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: for young guys is getting into the meeting room and 31 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: then taking it out to practice. And the other aspect 32 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: of that is what Mike Schula talked about yesterday. Once 33 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: he makes a mistake, he's very good at correcting it 34 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: and not repeating it again, which you really want to 35 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: see for any rookie at anything, which but is not 36 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: easy because a lot of times they don't know why 37 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 1: they did something wrong. Then the coach tells him, oh, yeah, 38 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: you know what, Yeah, that's right, I guess yeah. When court, 39 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: from what it sounds like, he understands what he did 40 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: wrong and he's he self corrects it, which is which 41 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: is very It's very good for a young guy, and 42 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: I think the team likes to see that. The other 43 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: player that Pat Shermer emphasized was Darius Slayton, who on 44 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: his first day of rookie minicamp had a very rough go, 45 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: a lot of drops, some concentration issues. Correct, I'm sure 46 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: you could toss it up to nerves a little bit. 47 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: But since then, he's been very pleased with how he's 48 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: turned the corner. And and this gets back to the 49 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: conversation that you and I had a little bit yesterday 50 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: where we were really breaking down the receiving corps, Jeff 51 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: and when we were talking about are they gonna keep five? 52 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: They're gonna keep six? You know, slate in the upside 53 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: with him is he provides that vertical speed, that deep threat, 54 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: and they're also working him into special teams, so he's 55 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: trying to carve out i think multiple roles on this team, 56 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: which is certainly encouraging in the early stages. Well, I 57 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: think it's encouraging. If I'm Darius Slayton and I hear 58 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: my name called by the head coach at the end 59 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: of mini camp, I'm pretty impressed with myself. Not to 60 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: do something. I'm just saying I'm doing something right. And 61 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: you know what right. We we talked a little bit 62 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: about I don't know if it was you r with 63 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: John about you know what it was John. He asked 64 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: me the question, you know what do players get out 65 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: of you know, what do they expect out of mini camp? 66 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: And each I say, each one of them is different. 67 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: You know, Eli Manning is expecting different different things out 68 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: of this minichamp than Darius Slayton as a rookie. And 69 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: I had mentioned that if as a rookie, you want 70 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: to come in here and learn and you want to apply, 71 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: and when you do both of those and you do 72 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: it well, you get commended by the head coach. And 73 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: I think that's a good thing. So a lot of 74 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: guys can't do that right now because it's it's just 75 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: so overwhelming. The NFL playbook is and and listen, I 76 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 1: can tell you people that even though I was only 77 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: a punter, but I mean I was in the billion, 78 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,839 Speaker 1: I understand that's right. But I understand, you know, it's 79 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: very difficult if that the NFL playbook offensively, defensively and 80 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: special teams is very complicated. And if you don't have 81 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: a good football actum, and you're just not going to 82 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: be easy for you. So part of the process when 83 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: they go and draft these kids is that they understand 84 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: they can get a good idea of how quickly these 85 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: guys are going to be able to handle this type 86 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: of of um difficulties with studying the playbook and been 87 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: transferring it onto the field, because this is when you 88 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: begin those habits, Jeff, to your point, and if you 89 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: can at least straighten things down now you can absorb 90 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: and digest what they're asking you to do, it's only 91 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: going to bode well for you when they expand the 92 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: playbook come to start training camp. It also as a coach, 93 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: you're sitting there, you're getting a good beat on your 94 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: on your position group, and you know that you know 95 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: if there's nine or ten receivers in that room, you 96 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: know the guys that are studying, you know the guys 97 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: that are going home at night and studying their playbook 98 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: and coming back, and so going forward, you're gonna have 99 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: to monitor that. If you've got a guy in there 100 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: that you can tell is just not putting in the 101 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: time that you think he should, that has to be 102 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: noted and it needs to be addressed and then you 103 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: need to get you better start studying the next time 104 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: you come in, because what happens is for all of 105 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: you that played sports or even tried out for teams 106 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: even high school or these you know wrecked team whatever 107 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: it is, you remember the whole days when before social 108 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: media and before the internet, there used to be able 109 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: to they put that list on the door if you 110 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: made the team, and you know who that's what. That's 111 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: what happens. Every day. There's a there's a there's a 112 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: roster there. Every day, there's a depth chart and especially 113 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: special team that comes into changes all the time. And 114 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: so before you got to practice, you need to know, 115 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: guess what, I just got moved from this position to 116 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: that position because I stunk at this one and they 117 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: think I could be better at this one. So it's 118 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: just a big It's a big game, is what it is. 119 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: But you're not a game like a like a fun game. 120 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's a game that you have to play. 121 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: The mental game. It's a mental game exactly, yeah, because 122 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: to your point, you never know when they're going to 123 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: move you around or ask you to take on another role, 124 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: which is more of a reason why you better be 125 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: on top of the playbook, because if they put you 126 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: somewhere Jeff, where you have no idea what the hell 127 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: you're supposed to do, they're gonna learn very quickly whether 128 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: or not you studied up. They're also you're also going 129 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: to learn when all of a sudden, any time that 130 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: you get to be three and four deep, that's not good. 131 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: That's not good at all, because really, when you think 132 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: about the numbers game, when we talk about twenty two players, 133 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: twenty two backups, that's forty four guys. There's not a 134 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: lot of room for threes. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, 135 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: once you start getting down low on the that's nine 136 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: guys and nine I believest three man doesn't necessarily work 137 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: out in your favor. Not a lot of threes. One 138 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: of the things that I wanted to add to what 139 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: you were saying earlier when Pat Shermer was choosing Darius 140 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: Slade at the highlight. More often than not, Jeff, when 141 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: coaches get asked during these mini camps O t S. 142 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: Who stood out to you, the generic answer tends to 143 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: come to the forefront. Well, you know, I don't really 144 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: want to pick anybody in particularly the rookie class, is 145 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: doing well so. And I'm not one to read into 146 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: one sound bite out of a coach, but I do 147 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: think it says a lot that after a three day 148 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: stretch where he doesn't have to tell you that one 149 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: guy in particular, two guys in particular jumped out to 150 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: him that he chooses to go that route, and he 151 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: chose to expand upon the strides that Slaated made. I 152 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: think that does say something about how, at least in 153 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: the minds of the coaching staff, he's been making somewhat 154 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: of an indent there. Yeah, it's interesting. I would have 155 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: liked to hear something more on the lines of the 156 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: defensive players in the offensive players, but maybe we will 157 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: in training camp, and they're gonna have plenty of an 158 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: opportunity to compete because it's such a young group, specifically 159 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: at that cornerback area. And DeAndre Baker, speaking of that 160 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: young nucleus, he spoke to the media and he was 161 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: asked about, you know, have they given you an idea 162 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: of where they want to put you in this defense? 163 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: And he goes, you know, they're just moving me around. 164 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: He's been with the ones he's been with the two's, 165 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: so he's been exposed to a variety of different personnel 166 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: depending on who he's been on the field with, and 167 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: they just want those guys to compete. And that's what 168 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: I think is the one position to focus on amongst 169 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: many of course, but this one in particular during training camp, 170 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: when they finally put the pads on. I mean, outside 171 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: of Genera's Jenkins Jeff, there's so much inexperience around him. 172 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: It's basically let the best man win type of philosophy. 173 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: At this point, I don't think the coaching staff is 174 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: going in saying, well, this guy absolutely has to win 175 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: this starting job. Granted Baker they made a trade for. 176 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: He is a number of first round pick, but that 177 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that if a guy like Balantine or Julian 178 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: Love is impressive, they're not gonna hesitate to put those 179 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: guys down on the field. It doesn't matter. Put all 180 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: the draft pick numbers away, put the competition on the field, 181 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: and let it play itself out. That's how it's gonna work. 182 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: I mean, there could be an undrafted free agent that 183 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: plays better than any of the first round guys that 184 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: are there, and he will play if he outplays them. 185 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: Bottom line, that's what happens. Grant Haley is the perfect 186 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: example undrafted guy, that's no question. And there's there's guys 187 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: every single year in the National Football League where this happens, 188 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: and if they're great stories, but it just goes to 189 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: show you that you can't in this business. You're not 190 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: a correct a percent of the time. There you miss 191 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: guys and and things happen, um you know, and I 192 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: mean miss you miss guys on you think are good 193 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: and they're not. And you miss guys on who you 194 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: don't think are any good and they become good. So 195 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, And that's the great thing about football is 196 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: because it's a sport where you can have going into 197 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: the training camp ninety guys on your roster. You have 198 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: an opportunity to to go out there and make a 199 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: make the team if you can play well. But I 200 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: will tell you this, and it always comes back to this. 201 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: The young guys have to study. They got to know 202 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: their playbook, they've gotta understand special teams and execute those 203 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: really well. And then become a backup player one of 204 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: the positions. Because if you're an undrafted free agent coming 205 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: in here to start in the National Football league is 206 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: very very rare. I mean, it happens with maybe a 207 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: kicker or a punter or something like that, but when 208 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: you're talking about a starting corner undrafted free agent, it's 209 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: very rare, but it can happen. But your hole, your 210 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: obligation is going to be on special teams and being 211 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: able to be a quality backup, because that's the best 212 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: way to solidify a roster spot to begin with. Especially 213 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: if you're not necessarily a starter. You can't get tribute 214 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: on special teams, you're gonna be in trouble. One other Nope, 215 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: before we open up the phone lines, Nate Solder addressed 216 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: the media. He had an ankle procedure a few weeks ago, 217 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: says he's certainly improving in terms of the rehab. Was 218 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: asked whether or not he's one hundred percent certain will 219 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: be ready for training camp, sort of jokingly added, well, 220 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: does anybody know if they're gonna be a hundred percent 221 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: when it comes to the start of training camp. But 222 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: I think all indications are he'll be ready and he 223 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: should be that there's no concern over a setback. But 224 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: this was the first time that he spoke to the 225 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: media since he got that procedure done. So it was 226 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: certainly encouraging to hear from him as when those are 227 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: those are procedures, that's what they are there their surgery, 228 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: but their procedures are a little clean out. I guess, um, 229 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: I I've had him on my knee and I'll tell 230 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: you you're you're backing up and running within a couple 231 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: two or three weeks. I mean, it feels depending on 232 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: the severity of it, but for the most part, it's 233 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, there's guys that go they go on, they 234 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: get the knique cleaned out, and they're on for three weeks, 235 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: they're out and then the next thing you know, they're 236 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: starting again. So it's just and it's helped. It's not 237 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: a bad thing. Um. And you know a lot of 238 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: people were saying, well, why didn't they do it earlier 239 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: or later or whatever it is. You know, you gotta 240 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: try to figure out what's best for the player and 241 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: if can you treat it with medicine, can you treat 242 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: it with rehab? And then surgery is always the last absolutely, 243 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: so why go into the knife if you don't need to? Yeah, 244 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: and then orthoscopically, it's really not that big of a deal. Anymore. 245 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: It's very easy stuff and and and the recovery is 246 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: very quick. Yeah. Actually, one example that comes to mind 247 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: the Bengals running back Joe Mixon this past season. He 248 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: had orthroscopic knee surgery. I want to say, maybe like 249 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: four or five weeks into the season, wound up missing 250 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: maybe two games, and was already back on the field. 251 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: And I was right in the middle of the season. 252 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: So to your point, I mean, once again, it's I 253 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: think the technology has come so far, Jeff, that they 254 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: have worked out this procedure to a t where there's 255 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: not really major concerns and it all depends on what 256 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: they're doing orthoscopically. Sometimes they're they're just going in there 257 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: because there's you know, there's there's carlage or something that's 258 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: caught and they just have to snip it off and 259 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: you know they're done with it. You know. Um, there's 260 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: there's different grades to the to the to the procedures, 261 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: and you know, some of them are a little bit 262 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: more detailed than others and which requires a little bit 263 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: more rehab time. Two zero five one three. That is 264 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: the telephone number of hashtag giants chat on Twitter. He's 265 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: Jeff Feagels onlines, Mead, thanks for tuning into Thursday's day shot, 266 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: a Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by Corps Light. Let's 267 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: head to the phone lines and we check in with Mike, 268 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: who is in Oakland, California. He gets us going, what's happening, Mike, Hey, guys, 269 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: good morning to you for us. Yeah. Well, you know, um, 270 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: the last time I called, I I had some reasons 271 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: for optimism, and you know I started a little slow, 272 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: and uh so I want to go back to it, 273 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: and this time I'm gonna try to do a better 274 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: job for you. So good. So yesterday you guys, you 275 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: guys talked about Corey Coleman, and um, like, you know, 276 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: he's my my fingers crossed breakout, breakout guy this year, Um, 277 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: you know, hoping for like a Victor Cruse type season 278 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: because I I'm always hoping for Victor Cruise type season 279 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: from somebody, right. But but so, you know, I've been 280 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: really interested in him, and I was listening yesterday and 281 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: I went back and kind of looked into his history 282 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: a little bit to see what the chances are that 283 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: this guy can turn it around and really really do 284 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: something for us. And so I just want to give you, 285 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: give you my little summary, my little reason for optimism, 286 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: and then I'd like to say I'd like to also 287 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: picked a brand about c J. Conrad also real quick. 288 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: But um so here's the thing about Corey Coleman. Here's 289 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: what I found. So I looked at his draft profile. 290 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: You know, the speeds unquestioned, you know, the Bulitna cop 291 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: Award in being the best wide receiver and all that hype, 292 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: which which you know, helped him get fift overall drafted 293 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: by the Cleveland Browns. But when all the draft profiles 294 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: I read, the warning on him was kind of uh, 295 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: you know, like low for high ceiling guy. And the 296 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: concern about the floor was that he did not run 297 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: a full route tree in college. And so what they 298 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: kind of said was he could be used well by 299 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: a smart offensive coordinator, but it was gonna take time 300 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: and development development for him to turn into a really 301 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: you know NFL quality of full utility receivers. So you 302 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: look at what actually happened to him. Um, first, he 303 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: got injured and hands, yeah he had too. He broke 304 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: his hand twice, and so what is that? So he 305 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: missed the preseason and then he missed four to six 306 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: weeks of his first season for a broken hand. Then 307 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: he broke it again in the second season, missed another 308 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: like eight weeks, didn't play till late November. Actually had 309 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: surgery on that one. So you got a guy who's 310 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: supposed to be a development prospects who basically didn't play 311 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: in his first two seasons. And then you know, he 312 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: was with the Bills for less than a month, in 313 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: the Patriots for nine days. So right, So so being 314 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: now now he's got some time under the Giant system, 315 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: you know the capabilities there. If this guy can run 316 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of different routes and he can learn the offense, 317 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: then I still think, you know, maybe there's some great 318 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: upside to him. Yeah. Well, I mean I think Jef 319 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: and I emphasize that. Yes, I actually tweeted about it 320 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: yesterday too, because Eli had a really interesting quote saying 321 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: that he's talked to Corey Coleman, and Coleman said, once 322 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: I know a syst him, Uh, it's through the roof 323 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: for me. I mean I gained confidence and I feel 324 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: a lot better about myself. So now that he's gone 325 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: an entire off season with the Giants, we remember he 326 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: was signed in October last year, went on the practice squad, 327 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: then was called up about a week or two later, 328 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: and you know, they were easing him in. They knew 329 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: that he didn't necessarily know the entire offense. Now you 330 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: give him a full off season, hopefully he stays healthy. Yeah, 331 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of upside and there should 332 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: be a lot of excitements around the Corey Coleman. I 333 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: think Eli sounds excited and it's somebody that I think 334 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: adds a new layer to this offense, brings something different 335 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: to the table compared to Golden Tate and Sterling Shepherd. 336 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: So this is probably his last opportunity, but it's a 337 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: great opportunity if you're Corey Coleman. He can't. He's also 338 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: got tremendous spirit, so you know that that's a good 339 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: opportunity for him to come in because you know, Golden 340 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: Tate and and Shepherd they're quick, but they're not They're 341 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: not Corey Coleman quick. I mean, so he can definitely 342 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: take the top off of a defense and I think 343 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: that's what they want from him. And we'll see what happens. 344 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: But it's all with all what we've heard about and 345 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: what's been going on that he's doing the right things. Yeah, 346 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: and that's awesome. And I think you know, you guys 347 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: pointed out how good he was on kickoff return, So 348 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: if you get the ball in his hands, you know, 349 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: the guy can clearly make stuff happen. So I guess 350 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: for me, the biggest thing about looking at his background 351 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: was if you if you acknowledge that the guy was 352 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: drafted at the development prospect but then he didn't really 353 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: have the time to develop because of injury, then maybe 354 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: it's unfair to just consider him, uh, you know, a 355 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: bust who's a wash out with another chance, and maybe 356 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: he didn't even really get that chance in the first place. 357 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: So that was that was my my big take on 358 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: his background. So yeah, I'm really excited about him. Yeah. 359 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: I mean, when you think about it, we're in two 360 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen. He was drafted in two thousand sixteen. Eighteen 361 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: was pretty much a wasted season because he moved around 362 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: from team to team and he was with the Giants 363 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: Are only half the year, so he played nineteen games 364 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: in sixteen and seventeen combined, so he missed a handful 365 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: of games in each season. And if you go back 366 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: to his numbers. You know, when he first came on 367 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: the scene, he put up some good numbers with Cleveland. 368 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he was pretty much their number one guy, 369 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: and then unfortunately the injury sidelined to him. So it's 370 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: sort of been an interrupted career, Mike, I think it 371 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: is the best way to describe it. But he's still 372 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: extremely young. I mean, we're not talking about a guy 373 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: that's been in the league for over five years. We're 374 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: talking about less than five years. I think the window 375 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: is very much still open for him. Yep. Cool, I'm glad, 376 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: glad to hear that some fingers crossed. Um. So I 377 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: wanted to also ask you about t J. Conrad, And 378 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: I tell you the reason why, um, you know, I'm 379 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: I'm I'm interested in him is that for a tight end, 380 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, a tight end that actually is is a 381 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: dual threatened by dual friend. I mean, he can block 382 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: as well as as get out in a pattern and catch. 383 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 1: You know, I've just I always believe that that is 384 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: a great tool for an offense and really really changes 385 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: things in the tight ends that I think about over time. 386 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not so excited about a guy that's 387 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: really a wide out that that that comes in close 388 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: and doesn't really block, so I figure you might as 389 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: well just call the receiver. So the thing I hear 390 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: about Conrad is that he's he's really a dual threat 391 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: kind of guy. And if he doesn't have top end speed, 392 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: you know, I kinda turned back the clock. And I'm 393 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: sure you guys remember Jake Ballard. That dude was. He 394 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: was so slow. He was so slow, and he made 395 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: so many critical plays on our Super Bowl run because 396 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: the guy just had a feel for where to be 397 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: and and somehow even though um, I don't think anybody 398 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: ever expected him to have great hands like he caught 399 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah, and he made a number of big catches. 400 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: So I think if you're asking what Conrad's chances are 401 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: of making the roster, I mean, is that the big 402 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: question here, Mike, That's what his chances are, and we're 403 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: not you see kind of a dual threat guy who 404 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: can catch the ball. I mean, as far as dual 405 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: threat until until he puts the pads well, Jeff, he 406 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: absolutely has to. I agree with you there, But until 407 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: Conrad puts the pads on, I think we're getting ahead 408 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: of ourselves by labeling him automatically as a two way guy. 409 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: I think right now, since they've got you know, shorts 410 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: and jerseys on, you can only tell so much about 411 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: the physicality of a player. So let's see what develops 412 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: in training camp before we go that far to say 413 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: Conrad is distinguishing himself from a Red Ellison or an 414 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: Evan Ingram and doing things that those two guys don't 415 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: bring to the table. Scott Simons and is also on 416 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: the roster. He was on the roster last year, so 417 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, there's established guys that have been in the 418 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: system that to your point, Mike Conrad's gonna have to 419 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: prove that he could be a very steady blocker, not 420 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: just a guy that can run out of catch passes 421 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: if he truly wants to have a legitimate shot to 422 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: get on this team. Because Ellison kit cats, Jeff Ingram 423 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: kick catch, Simonson kik catch, So Conrad's gonna have to 424 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: do something different to justify why they should keep him 425 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: compared to one of the other guys. Yep. And it 426 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: happens every year. Um, you get down to the very 427 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: end and a lot of things happen. Um they're salary 428 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: cap imprecations that happened with these young you know, younger 429 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: guys and veteran guys. Um, there's injuries that happened in 430 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: a position. All you can ask for if you're if 431 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: you're this guy here is to be in camp, do 432 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: well and get as far as you can. And because 433 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: you know what it's, it's beyond that. It's out of 434 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: your control. Um, they can only keep three guys or 435 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: it's really what they're all gonna keep in right now. 436 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: You know, Lance had mentioned the guys ahead of him 437 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: all were here last year, so he's got an uphill battle. 438 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: But you know he's a big kid. He's six four 439 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: two pounds and um, you know, dual threat. I think 440 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: that mainly everybody's got to be a dual threat. Nowadays 441 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: you've gotta be able to catch the ball in block. 442 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: But I think that we'll see a little bit more 443 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: about him when, like like Land said, when he gets 444 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: the pads on and he can get a little bit 445 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: more contact with line of scrimmage. We'll see how he 446 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: gets off the line of scrimmage. We'll see how he 447 00:20:55,160 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: uses his hands, and then we'll go from there. All right, Thanks, okay, 448 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: appreciating thanks so much for waiting in let's have back 449 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: to the lines. Don is in Texas board. What do 450 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: you got hey, Land say Jeff two days in a row, 451 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for taking like are you're welcome? Thanks for weighing 452 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: in all right. I have two questions, one for each 453 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: of you, one for Lance and one for Jeff, and 454 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: it's it's I'm glad you guys are touching the wide 455 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: receiver topic. It's exactly what I'm calling for. So on 456 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: your prospective, Lance, have you seen and watching Shermer over 457 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: the past couple of seasons? Have you and and watching 458 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones ad they did a lot of five receivers spreads. 459 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: When Shermer was at his best with making calls with Minnesota, 460 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: he would take McKinnon out of the out of the 461 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: backfield and slot them out and have five resis spread. Now, 462 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: I know you have to have a half decent old 463 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: line to do something like that. Early in camp, are 464 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: you seeing anything as far as those type of personnels 465 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: being made? And my second question for Jeff is, since 466 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: we're talking about the wide receivers and we're you know, 467 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: when you're talking about wide receivers three through six on 468 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: making the roster. Obviously, spe still teams plays a role 469 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: in this. Would you, Jeff, as a former player, rather 470 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: have consistent possession type wide receivers with good hands that 471 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: you know they're pretty much gonna catch it of the time, 472 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: or would you rather have vertical threats with not so 473 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: good hands and sometimes dropping the ball. As an ex 474 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: player and punter, what would you rather have? And me personally, 475 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: when I played, we had our receivers classified as either 476 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: bricks or pillow hands. Were you going to drop it 477 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: or were you were you soft handed to catch it? Well? 478 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: You I'm gonna answer mine. First. I'm taking the guy 479 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: that's going to catch the ball. And um, because not 480 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: only that, the guy that catches the ball as a receiver, 481 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: he can make plays no matter where he catches the 482 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: ball as long as he's catching it, right. I mean 483 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: he could do a slant route, he could do a 484 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: nine route, he can do you know, a fifteen yard 485 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: out and up and if he catches it, I'm good 486 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: with it. Um, possession guys. Fine. The other thing is 487 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,239 Speaker 1: that I want guys that are going to compete and 488 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: be able to do other things. Okay, so I can't 489 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: count on the guy that's gonna run net and run 490 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: by these guys, but in drops the passes. Yeah, I'm 491 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: gonna get some good plays out of him, but consistently 492 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: I'm not. So I would rather have the guy that's 493 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: gonna catch the balls all the time. Um, was there 494 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: a two part question? I think that was just that 495 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: was it right? And which one you want? I want 496 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: the guy I wanted. I want to sheer hands. I 497 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: want the pillow hand, not the brick guy. As far 498 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: as you know, five wide, I would slightly, Yeah, that 499 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: is a lot, that's number one. But but Donna, I 500 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: just want to understand what the question was, because I 501 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: would argue that the more targets you have, then you 502 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: don't really have to worry about your offensive line because 503 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: your quarterback and get rid of the football quickly, especially 504 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: if you have one or two of those targets running 505 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: shorter routes where they're coming immediately back to the football. 506 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: So I actually think the more targets you have, you're 507 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: actually taking pressure off of your offensive line. But as 508 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: far as the Giants and how they're gonna utilized personnel, 509 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: I think Evan Ingram is going to be a guy 510 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: that they can move around. See Kwan Barkley. They could 511 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: certainly line up and then they could have you know, 512 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: one or two wide receivers at their disposal. But but 513 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: I don't envision it becoming a popular alignment where you know, 514 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna see five guys lined up wide and they're 515 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: really gonna dig deep into their bag of tricks. I 516 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: think they like to mix and match with their personnel, 517 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: and I think they also like to have multiple tight 518 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: ends out there too, So I can't really envision a 519 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: popular alignment where you're gonna see, you know, a vast 520 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: amount of wide receivers and that's gonna be their only 521 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: game plan that I'd be really surprised. And I mean, 522 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: going back to his Minnesota days, he had Stefon Diggs, 523 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: he had Adam Feeling, and you're right, he did, you know, 524 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: line up McKinnon out of the backfield. But you know, 525 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: beyond those two, Minnesota didn't really have a great deal 526 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: of depth at the wide receiver position, and Kyle Rudolph 527 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: was their main tight end. So I mean, you'd sometimes 528 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: see the tight end of the two wide receivers, but 529 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: he wasn't throwing out a lot of other guy is 530 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: beyond that because they just didn't have the personnel to 531 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: do that. Got it? Got it? Yeah, And I'm gonna 532 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: take one more question if I can. Lance, I'm glad 533 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: you mentioned his name, Kyle Rudolph, and then I'll take 534 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: my answer off the air. Kyle Rudolph, do you think 535 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: there's any chance he could end up being a Giant, 536 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: be a trade or whatever possibility. I don't appreciate the 537 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: phone call. Well, I think there was some report that 538 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: he was not happy with his cons or something like that. Um, listen, 539 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 1: there there's always a chance. There's always a chance. Um, 540 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: it's just a way that the NFL works, and depending 541 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: on what his demands are, what what what's going on there? Yeah, 542 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: there's always a chance because bottom line, no matter not. 543 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: This is aside from Kyle Rudolph, You're gonna hear people 544 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: say all the time in this business, we want the 545 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: fifty three best players. We want to put the eleven 546 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 1: best players on the field. If the Giants can had 547 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: to maneuver a way to get him here, and if 548 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: it if it was presentative self and he thought that 549 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman and Pat Shermer thought that car Rudolph was 550 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: the best option behind Evan Ingram, A young guy and 551 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: the depth there, then he would be here. They would 552 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: make they would do it. Now listen speaking of he 553 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: would be here if it could work. I mean, if 554 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: he's got asking for fifteen million dollars a year as 555 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: a tight end, it's not gonna work. But you know, 556 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. As far as the finances, 557 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm I'm just looking at his contract. He's due to 558 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: be a free agent in two thousand twenty. Now, the 559 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: reason I bring that up, Jeff ways Away, Well, it is, 560 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: but he essentially just has to play out this season 561 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: and then he can hit the market. The reason I 562 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: bring that up a contract in two YO. This is 563 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: his last year. So I guess the reason I'm bringing 564 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: that up is if you're that enamored with the guy, 565 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: why not just wait to sign him in free agency 566 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: as opposed to giving up a valuable asset such as 567 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: a draft pick for him. That's just one way to 568 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: think about it. I completely get your point, and you're right. 569 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: If you have an opportunity to improve the depth chart, 570 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: then you wouldn't hesitate. Depends depending Minnesota wants its correct, 571 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: and I don't necessarily know because we're not privy to 572 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: those conversations or whether or not Rudolph truly wants Adam Minnesota. 573 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: But the other thing that I would want to know 574 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: an answer to is you brought up Evan Ingram. Okay, 575 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: Evan Ingram is the number one tight end on this team. 576 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: I don't think the Giants envisioned situation where they want 577 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: to limit his snaps, Jeff. If anything, they want to 578 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: keep him healthy and get him back on the field. 579 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: So you're now going after Kyle Rudolph, who has been 580 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: a starting tight end in Minnesota. Is he now willing 581 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: to be that second tight end? Would he be comfortable 582 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: in that role? Jeff? Probably not, because he wants a 583 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: new contract. He wants new money. So meaning if this 584 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: is the final year of his contract, I think you 585 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: hit on a really key point. He wants to Usually 586 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: guys in the last year in the contracts, they want 587 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: to put up good numbers, right because the probably want 588 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: to bring up their stock. So if you're not bringing 589 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: him to a team where you already have an ev 590 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 1: Ingram and you know Ingram is gonna be the star 591 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: guy and you saw what he did in the final 592 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: four games of last season, isn't an ideal spot for 593 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: a guy like Kyle Rudolph. You know, these are the 594 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: things that you have to talk about as a front 595 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: off is anything, You've got to also speak to the 596 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: player and what he wants out of it. So when 597 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: you line all of those factors up, it doesn't seem, 598 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: at least on the surfaces, an ideal fit. But once again, 599 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: if the Vikings are asking for like a seventh round pick, hypothetically, 600 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: I think you would probably run over to Minnesota and say, 601 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: take the seventh round pick, and we will gladly take 602 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: another tight end off your hands. Yeah, and you don't 603 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: have to give him a new contracts And and at 604 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: the end of the day, even if you don't give 605 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: him a new contract, I still think it's worth the 606 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: gamble of sacrificing a seventh round pick for a player 607 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: like Khio Rolf. The question is, would you roll the 608 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: dice with an unknown commodity who's not guaranteed to make 609 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: your roster, or would you rather take a chance on 610 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: somebody who's proven, who's a veteran talent, who's been through schemes, 611 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: who knows what he's doing, and take a chance on 612 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: him for one year. I think it's a no brainer. 613 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: Under those circumstances, let's back to the phone lines two 614 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: zero five one three Big Blue Kickoff Lie presented by 615 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: Corps Lie. Joe is in Pennsylvania. Joe, Welcome to bb 616 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: K O. What do you offer us? Hi, guys? Uh, 617 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: I thought the question yesterday was pretty interesting there on 618 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: You've talked about the offense and defense getting better given 619 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: up point scoring offense and scoring defense to make the playoffs, 620 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: and you also included, uh, turnovers that would be a 621 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: big thing on it, and we were on the plus sight. 622 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: I think you left out one thing that might add 623 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: to that that we have improved on it, and I 624 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: think I don't know what it was last year, but 625 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm hoping this year with the offensive line getting better 626 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: in that time of the possession where if the offense 627 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: can control the ball better, you know that's going to 628 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: help out the defense. I think that that could be 629 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: a big plus for us too this year. You know, 630 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: I'm thinking we were going to be more of a 631 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: possession team. When you think that than a big play team, well, 632 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: I think time of possession a lot of it has 633 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: to do on first and second down, Um, what you're 634 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: doing on those so you can convert your third downs 635 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: and stick keep your offense on the field. You're exactly right, Um, 636 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: I still think that this offense can be a big 637 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: play offense, Joe, But I'm gonna yeah, I do. I 638 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: really believe they can. But I think that I think 639 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: you would rather. I think Pat Shermer would rather be 640 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: a controlled offense with se Kwon Barkley, you know, running 641 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: the football, making first downs, moving the field, getting down there, 642 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: scoring some points, taking eight minutes off the off the clock, 643 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: and go put the ball and put put the defense 644 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: on the field and let them play. I think that's 645 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: kind of way they want to play. I think you're 646 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: gonna get a little you're gonna get some big plays, 647 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: and there of course you are. But I think that 648 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: the the the offense itself, I believe is designed about 649 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: controlled and and really running the offense through number twenty six. Well, right, 650 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: if we can like the offense with the offensive line 651 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: and not making penalties and stuff, and we can control 652 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: the ball, I think that could be be a big 653 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: back to to to Uh. You know, well, but you 654 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: still need to score though, at the end of the day, 655 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: regardless of how much time you eat up. I'll give 656 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: you an example Kansas City, because I'm looking up the numbers. 657 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: The Giants first rover with twenty nine in the NFL 658 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: last year in time of possessions, So that's right at 659 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: the bottom of the ranking. Okay, but but Kansas City, Joe, 660 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: the Chiefs one of the most dynamic offenses in the NFL. 661 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: Were they held the ball for twenty nine minutes eleven 662 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: seconds every game. Now, what was the difference? Well, the 663 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: Chiefs they were scoring quickly, right Tyreek Hill, Kareem Hunt, 664 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: home run, home run. But the bottom line is they 665 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: were getting into the end zone consistently. So you don't 666 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: have to be high in time of possession if you're 667 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: putting together consistent touchdowns. Now, se Kwan Barkley, Jeff, we 668 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: know every time he gets the ball he's capable of 669 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: going off from home run, So we don't want to 670 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: go on that. That's my point. So time of possession 671 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: The reason why we didn't bring that up much yesterday 672 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: is I don't think it's necessarily the best indication that 673 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: you actually have a great offense. If you're not coming 674 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: home with touchdowns, what good is it if he keeps 675 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: scoring three points, it doesn't you don't have anything to 676 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: show for a time of possession. Yeah, I'm looking at 677 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: our receiver. Shepherd and Tate, do you think like Crewise? 678 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: Do you think they rank ahead of Cruise or as 679 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: good as Cruise yet? You know, because Cruise could really 680 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: he'd always come up with a big explosive play too, 681 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: you know. And I don't know if they have yet. 682 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: You know, they are good steady players, but I don't 683 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: know if they have came up to uh. Yeah, you 684 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: know what. I think that I think that golden Tate 685 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: has had to share a big place. I think that 686 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: he's going to have his share a big place here. 687 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: And I think the sterling Shepherd has shown you to 688 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: make some big plays, but he's been second field. O'Dell, 689 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: you don't you know as far as being the number 690 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: one guy. I feel like maybe now he'll have that 691 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: opportunity a little bit more to make some of those 692 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: big plays. Yeah, he's young. It's Coleman as fast as 693 00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: the guy we drafted thereon the rookie we draft. It 694 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: is he as fastest him. I mean, I think Coleman's 695 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: got the vertical speed. I mean I had to throw 696 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: out a forty yard dash time. He's removed from his draft, 697 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: so I don't know exactly how accurate that is, but 698 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: Coleman's got speed absolutely. Yeah. Okay, one one question before 699 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: I get out of here or there. I'm still looking, uh, 700 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: the biggest concern on our team, and I think we 701 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: have a lot of potential and a lot of whatever 702 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,239 Speaker 1: fighting for the job on a lot of places like that. 703 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: But it's still a little concerned with that. My biggest one, 704 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: I think is going to be the middle linebacker there right, 705 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: I think what's his name is playing with the first 706 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: I can't think of his name either. Morten Goods in 707 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: there now, he's been in there. What would you be 708 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: your biggest concern at any position? If in that that? 709 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: Thanks for taking my call. Appreciate the call. I mean, listen, 710 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: what's his name is? Some player? Let me tell you. 711 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: Have you seen what's his name played? John Well? He's 712 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: been playing with the ones. He's been ahead of good 713 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: since I've been here. And no, I don't I mean 714 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: you talk about you're talking about You're talking about day Davis. 715 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: That's what you're talking about. Day Davis, who's on the 716 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: roster last year. Yeah, I think he's been being ahead 717 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: of there. Well, I would not read too much in 718 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: and appreciate the phone call, Joe, Do not read into 719 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: who's playing with the first team. In the second team, 720 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: they're they're mixing guys in and out. You've had guys 721 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: miss practices because they're holding them back because of injuries, 722 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: personal reasons. So it fluctuates every single day. I know 723 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: the media and the reporters, they love to tell you 724 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: this is who lined up on the first team. In 725 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: the big picture of things, Let's get to training camp 726 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: and then we'll have an opportunity to decipher who's separating 727 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: from the rest of the pack. Right now. To me, 728 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: it's irrelevant who's lining up with the first team because 729 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: once again, they're moving guys in and out. I would 730 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: say linebacker overall, are we I would give Joe that 731 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: I would. Yeah. I think that's a fair assessment that 732 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: if there's a position on the team right now that 733 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 1: you're you know, you want to see something to feel 734 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: a little bit more secure. I think linebacker falls into 735 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: that umbrella. Yeah, especially in the middle linebacker. I mean, 736 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: Ogo Tree is a solid veteran. He had a good 737 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: year last year. He's always around the football. I'm amazing 738 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: how many interceptions he gets in practice and in games. Um, 739 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: but b J Goodson, you know, he's a guy that's 740 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,919 Speaker 1: very inconsistent, you know, so he's got to improve on that. 741 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: And then as far as the depth behind them, you know, 742 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: it's not that it's not that great. Um, you're outside linebackers, 743 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm more excited about them that I am the inside. 744 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that's that would be a good 745 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,919 Speaker 1: a good place to go. I look at the other 746 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: positions at safety, I'm not you know, that's that's I'm 747 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: not worried about that at all. Um. And then you 748 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: look at the cornerback position. I'm actually excited about the 749 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: cornerback position because you know, those corners, they're all great athletes. 750 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: They really are. That. The cornerbacks are extremely athletic no 751 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: matter who they are in the National Football leagues. It's 752 00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 1: just a matter of you know, they have their game 753 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 1: abou how they can play on game day. So I'm 754 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: not worried about those. And Um, when you when you 755 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: go to the offensive side, I'm pretty pretty solid across 756 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: the board there. So I agree with you on the linebackers. 757 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens there. I just hope that those 758 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,399 Speaker 1: guys can stay healthy. Yeah, because as you mentioned, and 759 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: I'm looking through the list again, especially on the interior, 760 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: you just you got a lot of young guys, Jeff 761 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: outside of alec Ogiltree, it's a youth movement because you know, 762 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: even b J. Goodson, who's entering his fourth year in 763 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: the league. Remember, Goodson has been dealing with some injuries 764 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: over the course of his career. He wasn't necessarily a 765 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: full time player right out of the gates, so he's 766 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: still learning, he's still developing. Tay Davis, we're only talking 767 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: about his second year in the league. Ryan Connolly they 768 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: just drafted, and he's probably gonna make more of an 769 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: impact on special teams because he did such a good 770 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: job at Wisconsin in that department. You know, Jonathan Anderson, 771 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: he's been here and there. He's got a little bit 772 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: more experience than the rest of the group. Mark McLaurin 773 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: is another undrafted rookie. And Nate Stupor who you brought up, 774 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: who is uh, fundamentally great player but also mainly a 775 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: special teamer during the course of his career. That's where 776 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: he made a name for himself. So you know, when 777 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: you look at the interior linebackers, that's the group right there. 778 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: So as you mentioned Jeff, if alec Ogiltree, God Forbid 779 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: goes down and he's got to miss two or three games, 780 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: you know who emerges, who becomes a security blanket. That's 781 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: why training camp becomes so important for this position. Okay, 782 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: you know who's gonna make plays on a daily basis 783 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 1: and who's gonna jump out to you during preseason games. 784 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: I'll tell you another interesting position group to look at 785 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: this year, aside from s Quan is that running back position. Um. 786 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: You know there's some competition there there. So we'll see 787 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: what happens with Wayne Gahlman. Um. But that's you know, quietly, 788 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: you don't talk about the running back position because of 789 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: twenty six, but you know you always have to have 790 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: a guy behind here too, and so that's gonna be 791 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: another intriguing competition for the guys. You know, Paul Perkins 792 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: his back from injury after misgo of last year. They 793 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: just recently added Rod Smith, the former Dallas Cowboys. So 794 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think that there's some battles and 795 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 1: Paul Perkins should know better than anybody. When Perkins was 796 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: a young player, you know, he got opportunities because of injuries, 797 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: so you never know when your number is going to 798 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: be called. And I think what Pat Shermer Mike Trula 799 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 1: have both been emphasizing, and we usually talk about this 800 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: facet of play whenever it comes to running backs. Who 801 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: do they trust most Jeff and pass protection, Who do 802 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: they feel they can put on the field on third 803 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: down if they were to take se Kwan off the 804 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,760 Speaker 1: field and they believe can serve as an extra layer 805 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: to the offensive line. That's important. I bring up this 806 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: story all the time. I don't know if you remember 807 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: this game Jeff Giants in Cleveland a few seasons ago, 808 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen. So this is an opportunity for Paul Perkins. 809 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: Paul Perkins is in the game. It's a pass rushing 810 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 1: situation and they blitz the linebacker who comes right up 811 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: the gut Cleveland Jamie Collins, who's now back with the Patriots. 812 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 1: Paul Perkins steps right in front of Eli, protects him 813 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: and Eli is able to take care of business, and 814 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: they talked about the coaching staff at the time. I 815 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: remember this distinctly. It was just everything coming together for 816 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: Paul Perkins and him understanding the timing, understanding the assignment, 817 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: and then they knew we can put the young player 818 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: in that position and we don't have to be proved 819 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: to him. Proved it to him on that play and yep, 820 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: that's what it takes. So you know, that's what you 821 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: want to see out of any player, young or old, 822 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: how they can handle those circumstances. Let's head back to 823 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: the phone lines. Dave is in Cranford and he joins 824 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,399 Speaker 1: us here on Big Blue Kick Off Live. What's happening? 825 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,479 Speaker 1: Dave alright, Dave hey, Jeff hey, lance Um. The first 826 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 1: thing I wanted to say was the you know, all 827 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: the shows are great. It's for people who, having had 828 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 1: a chance to listen, they should really go on and 829 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: listen to your guys show. Yesterday I thought you're the dialogue, 830 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: the passion, the argument, it was one of it was 831 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: it was awesome. So I just wanted to, you know, 832 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,839 Speaker 1: people's people should go and listen to that. I love 833 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: when you guys, you know, both of you are are 834 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,439 Speaker 1: passionate your own way, and it was great to hear 835 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,399 Speaker 1: and great to see. I couldn't listen to it live, 836 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: started listened to it later in the day. I want 837 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: I want to mention two things one one one I 838 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: really didn't want to talk about because I hate getting 839 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: dragged into it, so I'm almost embarrassed to bring it up. 840 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: But in one of them is Daniel Jones. It is 841 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,959 Speaker 1: amazing to me. And you guys might just shake your heads. 842 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's amazing to me. The same people 843 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: covering the team that we're so down on the pick 844 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: like it, you know, Gettleman with his mind, Shermer. Shermer 845 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: forgot everything he ever knew about evaluating quarterbacks, and not 846 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: like the two of them have any vested interest in 847 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: the pick by the way, out of out of everybody 848 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: else in the in the decision room, so you know. 849 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,240 Speaker 1: And and now those same people are the ones pushing 850 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,959 Speaker 1: the cars out there that this guy should be given 851 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: a shot to start over ELI right now. And I 852 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: and I almost feel like it's like bait and switch. 853 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: I almost feel like they want the giants to take 854 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: the bait so that then they can turn the tables 855 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: on Daniel Joan to start ripping them again. It's it's 856 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: it's it's just it drives me crazy. Am I nuts? No, 857 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct that Welcome to media. One oh one, 858 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 1: stir in that pot ye dirty laundry baby. Indeed, I 859 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,439 Speaker 1: think there is some validity behind what you're saying, Dave. 860 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: I think there is an interesting twist in this lovely narrative. 861 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: When there's no football to really truly analyze and breakdown, 862 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: let's look at which quarterback is doing better in my 863 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: mind during the course of practice. Here's a perfect example. 864 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, David and the rest of our listeners 865 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: and Jeff, I don't know if you saw this. There 866 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: was a question post to Mike Schula the other day 867 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: during his press conference which relates to what you're talking about, Dave. 868 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 1: Mike Schula was asked this exact question. He first was 869 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: was with the statement Eli Manning during practice doesn't look 870 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: like he's throwing the ball as effectively as he's been 871 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: in the past. That that was the initial phrase, and 872 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,280 Speaker 1: it was to get some type of reaction that Daniel 873 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 1: Jones is outperforming Eli Manning in their underwear and they're 874 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: running around and all that good stuff. And Mike Trula, 875 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: to his credit, Mike said, I completely disagree with those sentiments, 876 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 1: and I think Eli is throwing the ball fine. I 877 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: was on the record obviously claiming what Mike Shula said, 878 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: and said, and he did say this. Mike Trula a 879 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: few weeks ago said he thought Eli Manning was in 880 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: the best shape of his career, and he thought he 881 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: was doing throwing the ball with the best of his 882 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: ability compared to what he's seen since they've been together. So, 883 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, credit to Mike Truela for taking the tennis 884 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 1: ball and then just sending it back with a nice 885 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: relay there. But I think there is some validity to 886 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: what you talk about, Dave. There's no doubt about it. 887 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,800 Speaker 1: It's it's just it's fascinating to watch. The other comment 888 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: is is just about the team overall. If a friend 889 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 1: of mine is actually an offensive line coach in in 890 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: the Big ten and he was in two weeks ago, 891 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: and what he said to me was fascinating because he 892 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 1: was in recruiting for a team outside of this area 893 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: and he and so I asked him more about you 894 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 1: know what I can expect for the Giants this year. 895 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,879 Speaker 1: He's a big Packer fan. He knows I'm a big 896 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: Giant fan. And he said to me, he said, Dave, 897 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: what you're gonna see? He said that a lot of 898 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: people don't realize is that with the he said, you're 899 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,359 Speaker 1: gonna get two big pluses going into the beginning of 900 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: the year, particularly from last year. And he said, it's 901 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: at the guard play position. And he said, one's gonna 902 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: sound obvious and one's gonna sound different. He said, you're 903 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 1: gonna see Will Hernandez be a different player from where 904 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 1: he was going from year one to year two. And 905 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: he said, you're you're gonna see great increased play from him. 906 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 1: And he said Zeitler, who he happens to know personally, 907 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: um couldn't say enough things about him on on every level. 908 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,240 Speaker 1: And he said, but what people don't realize is how 909 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 1: important that solid guard play is actually to the tackles 910 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 1: that are blocking as well. He said, when when when 911 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,280 Speaker 1: Nate Solder was doing his best with Brady, he knew 912 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,280 Speaker 1: that there was a box for Brady to step up into, 913 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,959 Speaker 1: which made the tackles ability to just not get beat 914 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: to the inside, but make sure to push the guy 915 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 1: to the outside. So his point was that that guard 916 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 1: play for the Giants is going to impact the whole line. 917 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: And I just thought, from a technical perspective, wasn't something 918 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: I thought about what makes me feel really good going 919 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: into the into the year. So I just want to 920 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: get your guys comments, thanks for taking the charg I'll 921 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: give you an example. So you have Nate Solder who 922 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: comes in here newly next year, and he's lining up 923 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 1: with a rookie next to him. The first half of 924 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 1: the season, Nate Solder did not play very well, and 925 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: either did Hernandez. But as they got went along into 926 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,359 Speaker 1: the second half of the season, Hernandez started to play 927 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 1: better and they actually started to understand each other a 928 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 1: little bit more, and then all of a sudden, Nate 929 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: Solder play started to be better, and then that offensive 930 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,319 Speaker 1: line kind of picked it up towards the end of 931 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: the season. That will be it, and that's a correct statement. 932 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 1: That will be of that will be carried over to 933 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 1: this season. And Nate Solder and Hernandez now our understanding. 934 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,399 Speaker 1: They know each other, they know their tendencies, and that's 935 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 1: gonna help both of them. Now you're gonna have another 936 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: center in there. You don't know who it's gonna be. 937 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,879 Speaker 1: One of the two Polly or Um Julapio. I say 938 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:33,320 Speaker 1: that right, I'm gonna call Lapio like Telapia, whatever it is. Whatever. 939 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: You know who I'm talking about. So now you're gonna 940 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 1: get a little bit of going to the right side 941 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: with Kevin and then who are and then Remors. You know, 942 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: those guys have to get a little bit comfortable with 943 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,320 Speaker 1: each other playing next to each other, so there'll be 944 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: a little bit. I I agree with the with the 945 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: caller Dave did his his friend who's in the big tent. 946 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 1: It makes sense to me, it really does, and it's 947 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: only gonna be better. The guard play has gotta be 948 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: You gotta have solid guard play so that your that 949 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 1: your tackles can just let them play because you don't 950 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 1: want the tackle to be overcompensating because of what they're 951 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: concerned about out of the guard. Next. Yeah, well he's 952 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,800 Speaker 1: trying to help out inside so much that they're getting 953 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,959 Speaker 1: losing leverage on the outside and we're getting the quarterbacks act. 954 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,239 Speaker 1: Here's another thing connected to your point as well as 955 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,800 Speaker 1: the last color. Dave, you broke down the left side. Well, 956 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,920 Speaker 1: let's talk about the right side here briefly. Jeff, you 957 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: had Patrick o'mammy and Eric Flowers. Okay, then you went 958 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,720 Speaker 1: to Patrick omamay, Chad Wheeler and then and I'm talking 959 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,360 Speaker 1: about more Wheelers perspective. Then Wheeler all of a sudden 960 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 1: gets Jamon Brown. I mean, just think about Wheeler and 961 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,919 Speaker 1: how many different guards he played next to last year, 962 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: and Wheeler as a young guy as it is on 963 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,840 Speaker 1: the left side, at least you're talking about soldiers, a 964 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 1: polished veteran. Wheeler had to play with a variety of 965 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,320 Speaker 1: different guards. Brown joins the season, joins the team midseason, 966 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: and yeah, getting those two guys on the same page. 967 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 1: And and Brown did play very well, and he helped 968 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: increase the product ativity of the offensive line in the 969 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 1: second half of the season. But their goal this year 970 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: is if it's Rammers and Zeitler that win their respective jobs, 971 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,879 Speaker 1: specifically more so at the right tackle position. The right guard. 972 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,480 Speaker 1: We know it Zeitler's job. You want stability, You want 973 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,879 Speaker 1: to know game to game. These two guys know they're 974 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,439 Speaker 1: playing well with one another. They're gonna be practicing next 975 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,800 Speaker 1: to one another because the minute you start moving players around, 976 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: you know, that's when that tackle guard dynamic is going 977 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,239 Speaker 1: to impact the overall production of the line. Question, let's 978 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,240 Speaker 1: head back to the phone lines. We got Clay in Brooklyn. Clay, 979 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 1: welcome to board. What do you got for us? Hey? 980 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:40,240 Speaker 1: You guys, how you doing today? Happy Brooklyn Day. Happy 981 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Day. Didn't even know what's Happy Brooklyn Day, but 982 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 1: you reminded us, all right there it is. Hey, anytime 983 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,080 Speaker 1: we could celebrate Brooklyn. We're not going to turn that 984 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: opportunity down. I will tell you that. Um, So you 985 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 1: guys have to be sold. My funder earlier was one 986 00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: of the calls talking about the inside land, because that's 987 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 1: where what I was calling about is. I know they 988 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: don't have on the paid yet, but I do know that. 989 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 1: You know there's you can see some things about coverage 990 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: even without pads, and I'm like, to me, the biggest 991 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,239 Speaker 1: hole on our defense is getting off on third down. 992 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 1: You have to feel on third down because we can't 993 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 1: cover the bill. As I mentioned before another call, UM, 994 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,320 Speaker 1: I was wondering if you've seen enough out of people 995 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 1: like Ryan Connolly, uh, Nathan Stubars. You know it's not 996 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: right names young, but you know, does he look any 997 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,600 Speaker 1: better in coverage? I know goods in the opals. I 998 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,400 Speaker 1: consider open tree like the day Kingman of linebackers is 999 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,359 Speaker 1: your home lune or or strikeout, And I just really 1000 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,399 Speaker 1: get nervous when he's covering somebody on third down. Um, 1001 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,160 Speaker 1: and also have they been using any of the safeties, 1002 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,360 Speaker 1: you know, to take the linebackers off the field, you know, 1003 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,239 Speaker 1: like as a s line dockor so to speak. So 1004 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,160 Speaker 1: I just would love to hear your thoughts on how 1005 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,920 Speaker 1: we're looking so far. Again, I know they don't have 1006 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,920 Speaker 1: on pad, but as far as pass coverage with the 1007 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,120 Speaker 1: inside linebackers, well, one of the things that James Betcher, 1008 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,040 Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator, brought up when he was asked about 1009 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,720 Speaker 1: alec Ogo Tree. He feels this is a really big 1010 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,840 Speaker 1: year for Ogil Tree because he now fully understands the defense. 1011 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,880 Speaker 1: And even the Ogle Tree was a veteran, it was 1012 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,319 Speaker 1: his first year in Betcher system. So when you have 1013 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 1: Ogil Tree and Antoine Bethet at the second and third 1014 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,279 Speaker 1: layer of your defense, and both of those guys, we 1015 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,759 Speaker 1: know Bethey knows the defense because he already had a 1016 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: year with Betcher in Arizona, that the communication will be better, 1017 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: the comfort will be better, and a guy like Ogil 1018 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: Tree doesn't have to overthink things. And that doesn't mean 1019 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,799 Speaker 1: that he's gonna be ten times better as a cover guy. 1020 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,080 Speaker 1: But Jeff, I think there is something to be said 1021 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,240 Speaker 1: year two, you're not overthinking things you're processing things faster. 1022 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 1: He can get in a position where he can anticipate 1023 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,320 Speaker 1: what his job is and be in a better position 1024 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,280 Speaker 1: to defend guys in coverage. I think that's something important 1025 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,840 Speaker 1: to note this year compared to what he was dealing 1026 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 1: with last year, he's just more. I mean, he's been active. 1027 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,880 Speaker 1: He certainly has been active in practices class. I mean, 1028 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,239 Speaker 1: actually the play that Sterling Shepherd got shaken up with 1029 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,440 Speaker 1: his wrist, why he misspracticed the to day. He was 1030 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,160 Speaker 1: back today. It was Uncle Tree that was actually in 1031 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 1: position to prevent him from getting a big play. Now, granted, 1032 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,360 Speaker 1: I know they're not on pads and they're not tackling guys, 1033 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 1: but he was in position to certainly make a play 1034 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,759 Speaker 1: had he had pads on. So they have been at 1035 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,920 Speaker 1: least testing them and putting in a position to do that. 1036 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: Jabrill Peppers is another guy. To answer your question. I 1037 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,400 Speaker 1: was gonna throw damon putting him all over the place, 1038 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 1: and I think Peppers has been a corner, Peppers has 1039 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,960 Speaker 1: been a linebacker, Peppers has been at safety. So he's 1040 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,880 Speaker 1: gonna be that hybrid player that Betcher loves to turn to. 1041 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: Betcher utilized the guy by the name of Dawn Buchanan 1042 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,520 Speaker 1: when they were an Arizona together. If you remember, Buchanan 1043 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,319 Speaker 1: was a converted safety and well, there was a lot 1044 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,560 Speaker 1: of speculation. Yeah. So, but I think Peppers is gonna 1045 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,279 Speaker 1: be James Betcher's day own Buchanan. That's at least how 1046 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,759 Speaker 1: I'm envisioning how he can unilize a guy like that. 1047 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: One more question, if I made this guy that I 1048 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:59,759 Speaker 1: would leave the NFL and vowel um. Yeah. Yeah, the 1049 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,719 Speaker 1: the kid out of Texas and Antonio, right, I know 1050 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,680 Speaker 1: he find them exrrectly. He played inside linebacker in college, 1051 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,680 Speaker 1: but they've got him listening at least online as an 1052 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: outsime linebacker. Is he's somebody they're also moving inside from 1053 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 1: time to time for past because I understand he's a 1054 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,080 Speaker 1: pretty decent past cover linebacker as well, and he talked 1055 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,319 Speaker 1: about him well on the Giants roster. I mean, I 1056 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,760 Speaker 1: actually have it up right now. They have him listed 1057 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,439 Speaker 1: on the official website as an interior linebacker. They don't 1058 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 1: put him with the outside linebackers, so I don't envision them, 1059 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,399 Speaker 1: you know, having a change of thought there. I think 1060 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,399 Speaker 1: they want to test him on the interior and see 1061 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,319 Speaker 1: what he could do. But you know he to me 1062 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,279 Speaker 1: is in the same boat right now, Clay as a 1063 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,120 Speaker 1: Ryan Connolly. You know, let's put the pads on and 1064 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,960 Speaker 1: let's truly see what they could do. I mean as 1065 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,640 Speaker 1: far as being active. Now, yeah, it's great to see 1066 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,200 Speaker 1: them running around, but I think Ogul Tree and Peppers 1067 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,520 Speaker 1: to me, I've taken away more observations are watching those 1068 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,359 Speaker 1: guys than any of the younger guys who I don't 1069 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,920 Speaker 1: think they're really thrown into the fire so quickly at 1070 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:04,840 Speaker 1: this point. Excellent, Thanks so much. I know, Jeff, you 1071 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,279 Speaker 1: mentioned it's something about Ogle Tree. I wanted to give 1072 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,600 Speaker 1: you an opportunity to expand upon. I was just gonna say, 1073 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,480 Speaker 1: it's just like anything, when you become more familiar with 1074 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,319 Speaker 1: what you're doing and not having to think a lot 1075 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,479 Speaker 1: in the field, you can you can react and play better. 1076 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,319 Speaker 1: Then That's exactly. That's this experience. And when he has 1077 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,240 Speaker 1: this experience now in the system. Um, like you mentioned 1078 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,879 Speaker 1: Antoine Antoine Bethea, he understands the system because he has 1079 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,640 Speaker 1: experienced in it. It's deja vu. A lot of times 1080 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 1: you're in a position and you're in a you're in 1081 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,080 Speaker 1: a defense, and it's like oh, I remember this. I 1082 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: remember how this works. It's just kind of so you're 1083 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,960 Speaker 1: able to help the other guys quickly and then also 1084 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,160 Speaker 1: put yourself in a in a position to win the 1085 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 1: matchup that you're put against every every week. Well, and 1086 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,240 Speaker 1: you hope. I'm not saying we have proof of this yet, Jeff. 1087 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,120 Speaker 1: But Marcus Golden being inserted into the linebacker position, you 1088 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 1: know how much could a guy like that help autlec 1089 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,320 Speaker 1: Ogil Tree. I mean, they're gonna be in the same vicinity. 1090 00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,640 Speaker 1: So Golden knows a lot about Becher's defense from a 1091 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,160 Speaker 1: line by a position. Even though he's an outside guy, 1092 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that he doesn't understand, you know, what the 1093 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,160 Speaker 1: assignment is for the interior. And and related to that, 1094 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 1: the one thing Betcher talked about, and once again I'm 1095 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 1: we're not bringing this up for you to take this 1096 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,680 Speaker 1: to the bank because press conferences, there's dialogue, there's various questions, 1097 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,600 Speaker 1: and clearly this is the time of year where every 1098 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,840 Speaker 1: coach I think it's fair to say, is optimistic about 1099 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,120 Speaker 1: his team. They should be optimistics, correct, Jeff. But but 1100 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,719 Speaker 1: the one thing that Betcher, the tone in him changes 1101 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:36,640 Speaker 1: in my estimation when he talks about the conversations the 1102 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 1: group is having. Jeff in the classroom, forget about what's 1103 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,759 Speaker 1: going out on the field. Now. He feels as if 1104 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:47,200 Speaker 1: with guys like Kae Martin, Marcus Golden, Antoine Bathet, there's 1105 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,880 Speaker 1: more of those guys telling the guys who were in 1106 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,760 Speaker 1: the system last during the new guys sort of presenting 1107 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 1: hypotheticals where Okay, if the offense attacks us here, this 1108 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,120 Speaker 1: is how we have to react. If the offense to 1109 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,480 Speaker 1: tax us there, this is how we have to react. 1110 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,759 Speaker 1: And I just get the sense they were having conversations 1111 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,719 Speaker 1: like that, but it was better directing it, Whereas I 1112 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,680 Speaker 1: think now the conversation from an a point is amongst themselves, 1113 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,520 Speaker 1: and that that that makes sense, and it builds confidence. 1114 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,200 Speaker 1: It builds confidence not only within the group, but also 1115 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,600 Speaker 1: it builds confidence with the coach. The coach understands like, 1116 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,160 Speaker 1: I don't really have to teach a lot of this 1117 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,000 Speaker 1: stuff to these guys because I know that they're going 1118 00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,200 Speaker 1: to teach it to the other guys, and we can 1119 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,480 Speaker 1: move at a faster pace, and and I have confidence 1120 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,959 Speaker 1: that if I get them in the wrong defense, which 1121 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,360 Speaker 1: by the way, it happens all the time, we're in 1122 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,759 Speaker 1: the wrong defense. We're gonna change to play. Um, these 1123 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,759 Speaker 1: guys will be able to do it. I'm not so 1124 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,520 Speaker 1: sure that that was the case in the past, and 1125 00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,800 Speaker 1: that why there was big plays against this defense because 1126 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,520 Speaker 1: I feel like the personnel didn't have the knowledge or 1127 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,279 Speaker 1: the whereabouts to get into the right play defensively. I 1128 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,240 Speaker 1: think that's a great point. And as opposed to years 1129 00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,120 Speaker 1: where you've got a veteran, savvy guy on the field 1130 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,360 Speaker 1: who's the captain of the defense, who's the voice and 1131 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,000 Speaker 1: the coordinator feels good about him making adjustments on the 1132 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,040 Speaker 1: fly no question or or a very a very veteran 1133 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,360 Speaker 1: based defense and have has a lot of playing time together, 1134 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,719 Speaker 1: you know, years of this, this and this. I mean 1135 00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,600 Speaker 1: you take a look at like the Packers defense or 1136 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,960 Speaker 1: somebody where the defense doesn't change a lot. You know, 1137 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,480 Speaker 1: you've got that middle linebacker and Matthews who's been there 1138 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,560 Speaker 1: forever you know, or not the middle life, but he 1139 00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,799 Speaker 1: plays all over the place. But my point is that 1140 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,799 Speaker 1: those guys play along with each other for so many 1141 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,760 Speaker 1: years that the defense can just operate itself almost by 1142 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,759 Speaker 1: by a faulted sometimes like this is just what we 1143 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,040 Speaker 1: do because we've done it so long, We've had so 1144 00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,879 Speaker 1: much attrition and so much new players be inserted into 1145 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,800 Speaker 1: this defense. It's time now where you have some confidence 1146 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,680 Speaker 1: in those guys that have been in the defense before. 1147 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,560 Speaker 1: And I promise you that's why they're here. They obviously 1148 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,840 Speaker 1: they can still play the game. They wouldn't be here 1149 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,200 Speaker 1: if they couldn't. But it isn't even better that they 1150 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,600 Speaker 1: know the system, which now we make this defense even better. Well, 1151 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,319 Speaker 1: and even building a parallel to your career, Jeff, I'm 1152 00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,960 Speaker 1: sure you found it from just a special team stamp. 1153 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,160 Speaker 1: All right. Once you got you, you felt comfortable direct 1154 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,239 Speaker 1: with the other guys. I'll put it on the kicker 1155 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,680 Speaker 1: when the kicker has a snapper and a holder and 1156 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,320 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to worry about I was talking to 1157 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,719 Speaker 1: Aldrick yesterday and I said, how's it going out there? 1158 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,640 Speaker 1: He goes good. I go, you're like feeling goods against 1159 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 1: I said, so any struggles right now? He says, the 1160 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,280 Speaker 1: only thing I'm struggling with is the other guy snapping 1161 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,600 Speaker 1: and holding. Okay, So I said, well, don't worry about that. 1162 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,560 Speaker 1: Those are not the guys that are gonna be there anyways. 1163 00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,839 Speaker 1: You gotta worry about if you're if you're struggling. When 1164 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,600 Speaker 1: Riley Dixon is in there, Za is the guy, and 1165 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,400 Speaker 1: then we've got a problem. But don't worry about the 1166 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,200 Speaker 1: other stuff. Just worry about the things that you know 1167 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,920 Speaker 1: that is going to be consistent. So that is kind 1168 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,839 Speaker 1: of a special team. Me, snapper was my biggest thing. 1169 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,440 Speaker 1: And if I had one gunner that I knew that 1170 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,799 Speaker 1: I can hit like David Tyree. I knew that David 1171 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,719 Speaker 1: Tyree would make a play for me anytime I I 1172 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,520 Speaker 1: needed it, he would do it. But I guess to 1173 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,760 Speaker 1: take it a step further, Jeff, when you're back watching 1174 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,240 Speaker 1: the film, you know, seventy years into your playing career, 1175 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,120 Speaker 1: it coverage. You could give guys pointers though, because the 1176 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,520 Speaker 1: field from a various different standpoint than some of these 1177 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,560 Speaker 1: other guys. Absolutely. I mean, the one thing is if 1178 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,800 Speaker 1: I'm telling you that it's going right while you're releasing 1179 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,920 Speaker 1: in the inside and you're gonna never get to the right. 1180 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,840 Speaker 1: I mean, just these are just things you have to 1181 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,600 Speaker 1: to learn as you go. And you know what happens 1182 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,480 Speaker 1: with with the gunners on a on a on a 1183 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,719 Speaker 1: punt team is they're trying to get away from the 1184 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,560 Speaker 1: guy that's holding them up. They're doing every single everything 1185 00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,800 Speaker 1: they can to get out, and they lose sight of 1186 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,120 Speaker 1: where the ball is going. So they you know, they're 1187 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,960 Speaker 1: so concerned about getting off the line of the scrimmage 1188 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,320 Speaker 1: you're covering, they forgot where the ball is going, and 1189 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,480 Speaker 1: they're taking an outside release and they're fighting down the 1190 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:31,760 Speaker 1: field and the next thing that they look up and 1191 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,200 Speaker 1: the ball is being kicked to the left numbers and 1192 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,600 Speaker 1: he's way out of the play. Now, the defensive mind 1193 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,040 Speaker 1: it is, I'm going to we have a return set 1194 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,760 Speaker 1: up for X either left or right. I'm going to 1195 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,160 Speaker 1: force the gunner to go to the opposite way. And 1196 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,160 Speaker 1: so sometimes they just are put in that position accidentally, 1197 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,120 Speaker 1: and then then you have to fight back to get 1198 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,960 Speaker 1: into leverage and get into your lanes and get to 1199 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,520 Speaker 1: the to where the ball was being kicked. But by designed, 1200 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,080 Speaker 1: a lot of the defensive guys are trying to get 1201 00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,000 Speaker 1: you to go the opposite way. Of course, yeah, you 1202 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,480 Speaker 1: don't want to be the position. You're essentially taking yourself 1203 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,360 Speaker 1: out of the play because you're so worried about getting 1204 00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,200 Speaker 1: around the guy that's gonna hold exactly. Yeah, and that's 1205 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,480 Speaker 1: what makes those you know, receivers are they make good 1206 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,400 Speaker 1: gunners because they're used to press coverage and they're used 1207 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,480 Speaker 1: to guys putting their hands on them, and they're used 1208 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,720 Speaker 1: to knowing how to get get off of that. That's 1209 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,360 Speaker 1: why you see a lot of the receivers as being gunners. 1210 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:25,240 Speaker 1: And also tall um corners and safeties also make good 1211 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,000 Speaker 1: gunners because on the flip side of it, they're used 1212 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,800 Speaker 1: to going up against guys that are right next to 1213 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,280 Speaker 1: you and using their hands and running down the field 1214 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,040 Speaker 1: and they understand the physical It's a very parallel position, 1215 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,680 Speaker 1: if you will. That's a it's a great parallel that 1216 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,280 Speaker 1: you just laid out. All right, let's head back to 1217 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,000 Speaker 1: the phone lines. Give an opportunity to Raphael in Pennsylvania 1218 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,959 Speaker 1: who joins us on Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's happened 1219 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:51,880 Speaker 1: to Raphael? Good? How are you be quick here? Um? 1220 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,880 Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask about the like like positional 1221 00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,480 Speaker 1: players behind, like the starters, and how they're progressing. You know, 1222 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,919 Speaker 1: small people that don't really hear about so much, even 1223 00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,800 Speaker 1: like you know how to practice how they're doing well? 1224 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,560 Speaker 1: I mean anybody specifically though, before we let you go, Raphael, 1225 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,320 Speaker 1: I mean that that's a fairly generic question and statement. 1226 00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:22,320 Speaker 1: Might be guys on the roster. Um, Emmon Moore, Um 1227 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,720 Speaker 1: that I heard you guys already to talk about Josiah 1228 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,160 Speaker 1: and uh, well I heard Cameron Moore who was the second. Yeah, 1229 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:34,120 Speaker 1: you asked about Reggie White Jr. The wide receiver. Okay, yeah, 1230 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,080 Speaker 1: well we'll expand on a few of those guys that 1231 00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,080 Speaker 1: appreciate you weighing in. Reggie White Jr. Was a name 1232 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,400 Speaker 1: that Jeff and I actually brought up yesterday, right because 1233 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,920 Speaker 1: we were talking about if there's maybe something that the 1234 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,920 Speaker 1: Giants are looking for in the receiving corps. It's a 1235 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,600 Speaker 1: taller guy who could be a big target. And when 1236 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,440 Speaker 1: you look at the heights on the roster at that position, uh, 1237 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,760 Speaker 1: Reggie White is nearly the tower of the group. Six 1238 00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:59,480 Speaker 1: to Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's it's it's gonna be 1239 00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,000 Speaker 1: a tough for Reggie White Jr. But you know, like 1240 01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,600 Speaker 1: I said before, you're in camp, you've been here. You 1241 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,000 Speaker 1: know most of these guys are here. Um, they're here 1242 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,160 Speaker 1: for a reason. They can compete, Okay, and it's a 1243 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:11,640 Speaker 1: long shot for them to make the team, but at 1244 01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,720 Speaker 1: least they're here. They just gotta do the best they can. 1245 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,720 Speaker 1: And there's a few guys, a handful of guys that 1246 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,520 Speaker 1: made it off of the the tryout mini camp stuff. So, um, 1247 01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,960 Speaker 1: this roster will change a little bit going forward, but 1248 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,760 Speaker 1: for the most part, um, you know the guys that 1249 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,120 Speaker 1: are here. You've got to make the best of it. 1250 01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,640 Speaker 1: And I can tell you one thing when you're a rookie, 1251 01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,960 Speaker 1: when you're a young guy, a free agent guy like 1252 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,640 Speaker 1: like Reggie White Jr. When you get your chance, you 1253 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,040 Speaker 1: need to be and you need to be do well 1254 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,120 Speaker 1: when you're in there. Don't screw it up by running 1255 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,680 Speaker 1: a bad rap and having a mental mistake, because that 1256 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,360 Speaker 1: you may not get in there again. So you gotta 1257 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,920 Speaker 1: make the best of it. And that's why over preparing, 1258 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,760 Speaker 1: you're doing your studies and getting the playbook and take 1259 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,600 Speaker 1: this very seriously because you don't get a chance. I 1260 01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,960 Speaker 1: think that is exactly where I was gonna go actual 1261 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,040 Speaker 1: lead to add to what you were saying, because when 1262 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,520 Speaker 1: it comes to these young players, everybody always asked, well, 1263 01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,760 Speaker 1: you know what's jumped out to you. My response with 1264 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,720 Speaker 1: Reggie White is not much has jumped out. And the 1265 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,000 Speaker 1: reason why not much has jumped out Jeff, because this 1266 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,000 Speaker 1: is what you were talking about. You don't remember him 1267 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,760 Speaker 1: making some costly drops. He's going out there, he's running 1268 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,080 Speaker 1: his routes. When the balls throwing his way, he's making 1269 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,160 Speaker 1: a play. And that's all you're looking for out of 1270 01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,880 Speaker 1: an undrafted guy at a Monmouth right now. Then when 1271 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,920 Speaker 1: the pads come on, and now he starts getting entangled 1272 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,440 Speaker 1: in press coverage, Now we're gonna see, Okay, can he 1273 01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,840 Speaker 1: beat coverage? So can he take the fundamentals that we're 1274 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,160 Speaker 1: seeing now? And he could eat up in a notch. 1275 01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,400 Speaker 1: That's the big thing to all those things. Uh Ty Tobert, 1276 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,320 Speaker 1: the right receiver's coach demands good blocking ride receiver, and 1277 01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,760 Speaker 1: we saw that last season. You see. That's the one 1278 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,400 Speaker 1: thing I would say that's jumped out to me about 1279 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,240 Speaker 1: the receiving corps last year. Yeah, I mean, everybody you 1280 01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,280 Speaker 1: wanted to see make plays. What about the s Kwon 1281 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,400 Speaker 1: Barkley runs and you see chef the next thing, you're 1282 01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,440 Speaker 1: throwing his body down the field. You know that just 1283 01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,040 Speaker 1: it just makes you feel so much better when you're 1284 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,080 Speaker 1: when you're a positional player like that and you don't 1285 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,800 Speaker 1: have the football, but you know that you did something 1286 01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,800 Speaker 1: to help make that play successful and when it and 1287 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't go unnoticed because those coaches watch that film 1288 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,200 Speaker 1: over and over and over. I on average, those guys 1289 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,320 Speaker 1: watched that game fifty times over and over. I mean 1290 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,920 Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. Well, I'd want everybody to be addicted to 1291 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,720 Speaker 1: want to watch that play. Well, what happens in meetings 1292 01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,040 Speaker 1: is that those those those plays are shown over and 1293 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:32,040 Speaker 1: over because it shows effort and it shows about dedication. 1294 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,520 Speaker 1: And you know, the biggest thing is effort because we've 1295 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,600 Speaker 1: seen it on the flip side of it, where there's 1296 01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,840 Speaker 1: a receiver running down the field and he doesn't even 1297 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,400 Speaker 1: make a block and the guy makes a tackle. By 1298 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,440 Speaker 1: the way, that one is shown over and over in 1299 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,680 Speaker 1: the meetings too. And you don't want to be that guy. 1300 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,919 Speaker 1: You want to be that guy making a great play 1301 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,760 Speaker 1: like Shephard did, you know, running down there and making 1302 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,280 Speaker 1: a play and and and springing the block first quon. 1303 01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,400 Speaker 1: But you don't want to be the guy that's lacks 1304 01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,440 Speaker 1: a daisical running lazy. That's not a good day for you. 1305 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,120 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, go back and watch that Redskins game, 1306 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,840 Speaker 1: the second one on the road, and everybody I feel 1307 01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,840 Speaker 1: like in the receiving corps chipped in. But that's the 1308 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,400 Speaker 1: design of the play is for not only your lineman 1309 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,080 Speaker 1: to block, okay, but the receivers have blocking assignments. They're 1310 01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,400 Speaker 1: they're supposed to block and not get called for holding. 1311 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,320 Speaker 1: But that's how it's gonna make the play work. If 1312 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,560 Speaker 1: you're not, then you know, those corner guys, corners and 1313 01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:29,439 Speaker 1: safeties usually lead your team and tackles. Why because people 1314 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,880 Speaker 1: again into the second layer or the third layer, and 1315 01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:36,000 Speaker 1: if they don't make the tackle, Jeff, goodbye, that's it. 1316 01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,440 Speaker 1: But but it's the reverse to your point on offense. 1317 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,960 Speaker 1: So the offensive lineman did their job. They opened the 1318 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,200 Speaker 1: whole and sometimes you see the offensive one to get 1319 01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,280 Speaker 1: to the second layer too. But then you want to 1320 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:52,160 Speaker 1: see the wide receiver, the tight end push forward or 1321 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,640 Speaker 1: ten yards. Yeah, exactly. It works. And if you're if 1322 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,560 Speaker 1: you're the guy that's ned's lazy and you're running down 1323 01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,320 Speaker 1: the field and you're not doing that, they're gonna get 1324 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,800 Speaker 1: pointed out. Know, that's something to always watch out for 1325 01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,000 Speaker 1: in terms of the young receivers. With that being said, 1326 01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,200 Speaker 1: that's gonna wrap up the latest edition A Big Blue 1327 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,160 Speaker 1: Kickoff Live presented by Corps Light a reminder we returned 1328 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,080 Speaker 1: to our normally scheduled time on Friday. We're back to 1329 01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,640 Speaker 1: noon Eastern. We accommodated the mandatory minicamp schedule. That's why 1330 01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,600 Speaker 1: we had it at one thirty pm Eastern each of 1331 01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,120 Speaker 1: the last three days. For Jeff figgles some Las Meadow 1332 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,200 Speaker 1: and joined the rest of your Thursday and always stay 1333 01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:23,640 Speaker 1: locked to giants dot com. Have a going