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Speaker 1: Welcome to How to Citizen with barrettun Day, a show

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Speaker 1: where we reimagine the word citizen and remind ourselves how

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Speaker 1: to wield our collective power. I'm barrattun Day. We've been

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Speaker 1: doing a lot of episodes about voting. IM not sure

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Speaker 1: if you've noticed, but it's been quite a few. We've

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Speaker 1: had Maria Terressa Kumar of Vote to Latino, Chryln Eiffel

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Speaker 1: of the Inn Double A CP Legal Defense Fund, Angela

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Speaker 1: Voter Protection Corps. We could probably make four more episodes

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Speaker 1: zoned voting because it's that important in this election year

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Speaker 1: to flex that form of our collective power. This episode

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Speaker 1: you're listening to right now is also related to voting,

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Speaker 1: but it's also about something much more. To quote our guests,

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Speaker 1: it's about putting respect on our vote. He said to me,

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Speaker 1: voting is a sacred act which takes you to a

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Speaker 1: place where you say I am voting, says I am,

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Speaker 1: I exist, My voice counts I matter. Those aren't the

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Speaker 1: words of just any citizen, but someone working among and

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Speaker 1: on behalf of a population whose voice often doesn't count.

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Speaker 1: Those would be returning citizens, people convicted of crimes in

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Speaker 1: the United States, and in this case, people convicted of

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Speaker 1: felonies in the state of Florida, and my humble opinion,

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Speaker 1: Florida is one of our more retrograde states when it

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Speaker 1: comes to voting rights because this state did not restore

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Speaker 1: voting rights to people convicted of felonies for a hundred

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Speaker 1: fifty years. That changed in with the passage of amendment

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Speaker 1: for this initiative garnered an overwhelming six of Floridians to

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Speaker 1: vote to restore voting rights and thus visibility and dignity

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Speaker 1: to one point for million people in that state. It

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Speaker 1: was the largest restoration of voting rights in fifty years

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Speaker 1: in this country. And the returning citizen who helped organize

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Speaker 1: that grassroots efforts who I had a chance to speak with.

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Speaker 1: His name is Desmond Meade. He's president of the Florida

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Speaker 1: Rights Restoration Coalition and author of the book Let My

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Speaker 1: People Vote, My Battle to Restore the civil rights of

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Speaker 1: Returning Citizens. I spoke with Desmond not just about voting,

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Speaker 1: but about changing the narratives of power in our democracy

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Speaker 1: and about affirming ourselves, about saying I am and I matter.

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Speaker 1: You'll notice some noisier than usual audio from Desmond because

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Speaker 1: he squeezed us into his schedule while he was in

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Speaker 1: the middle of his Let my People Vote bus tour. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Desmond was literally on a us. Have you ever done

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Speaker 1: zoom on a bus? I don't think so, and I

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Speaker 1: don't recommend it, but we got some decent audio and

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Speaker 1: what do you have to say is so powerful? Take

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Speaker 1: a listen. I am Desmond me the executive director of

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Speaker 1: Florida Rights Restoration Coalition. My organization is the organization that's

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Speaker 1: led by people who have previous felony convictions as well

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Speaker 1: as those who have loved ones that's been impacted by

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Speaker 1: the criminal Justice is the rights that you're trying to restore.

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Speaker 1: What rights are these? In the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition,

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Speaker 1: we're trying to restore voting rights right now. You know,

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Speaker 1: when the person is convicted of a felony offense in

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Speaker 1: many states, such as the Florida, they lose their civil

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Speaker 1: rights upon that conviction. And included in that civil rights

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Speaker 1: is the right to vote, the right to run for office,

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Speaker 1: the right to serve on a jury. There are other

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Speaker 1: that could impact a person's ability to find safe and

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Speaker 1: the granddaddy I think of all those rights is voting rights.

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing some noise in the background, Desmond, tell us

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Speaker 1: and right now, I am all I tend in the state.

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Speaker 1: Actually early in this election, we realized that this is

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Speaker 1: is extremely vital that every American census play a role

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Speaker 1: When did you start caring so much about voting in

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Speaker 1: the state of democracy? Man, that's a great question. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think that if started with first learning how to

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Speaker 1: You know. I talked a lot about the value and

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Speaker 1: But what I did not capture or fully understand until

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Speaker 1: And so when I was in that voting booth, actually voting,

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Speaker 1: the level of sacredness about voting actually transcend partisan politics.

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Speaker 1: It transcends the politics and It transcends even the racial

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Speaker 1: anxieties and biases. That sacredness of voting actually takes you

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Speaker 1: I am. Voting is like that ultimate thing that says

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Speaker 1: When you put in the sacrifices that our ancestors have

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Speaker 1: respect on your vote. And not only do people have

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Speaker 1: for us to say, you put some respect on my name, right, Well,

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Speaker 1: we're just totally dishonoring not only ourselves but the work

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Speaker 1: then we have devalued our own. Though. When you try

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me a short story of trying to

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Speaker 1: That was painful. That was like somebody you know that

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Speaker 1: that was a painful moment for me, really was. Your

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Speaker 1: book is very moving, Desmond. Let my people vote, my

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Speaker 1: And I can guarantee you that there's somebody in that

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Speaker 1: It's that same narrative that kept me from even trying

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Speaker 1: in your state with the passing of Amendment four in

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Speaker 1: approval by the people of Florida, not just members of

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Speaker 1: one point four million formally incarcerated people. That's a major

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Speaker 1: them into a vicious cycle of mass incarceration. But reality

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Speaker 1: first of all, we need to let them know there

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Speaker 1: talking about somebody that's in your home right now, that's

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Speaker 1: my signing star is that we were able to organize

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Speaker 1: want to do and we look forward to doing and

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Speaker 1: not feeling like we have to do. You know. I

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Speaker 1: see the long lines out there now, you know, and

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Speaker 1: it can be daunting. But I think that we have

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Speaker 1: up because we need to make sure that our voices

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Speaker 1: then it's going to be up to other people to

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Speaker 1: decide whether or not our lives do matter. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: the translation. I think a lot of folks are missing,

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Speaker 1: and you put it really really perfectly. Thank you. For that,

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Speaker 1: you get interviewed. A lot of people reach out to you.

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Speaker 1: You run this organization, you're part of this movement. So

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Speaker 1: I want to give you a chance. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: But what do you want to share that I may

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Speaker 1: be having that teed up for you or haven't asked

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Speaker 1: you that you don't get asked to discuss very often,

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Speaker 1: but feels very important to you on this topic. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's a great question. So here's the one I think

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Speaker 1: that you know, I don't think it gets a enough

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Speaker 1: about the sacrifices. You know, a lot of times folks

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Speaker 1: just see the end results. You know, they see oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got to figure out who you are. Are you

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Speaker 1: the chicken and you the cow? With you there you

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Speaker 1: the pig? Right? And what I mean by that is

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Speaker 1: that you've got the really understand that there's a difference

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Speaker 1: between the contribution and the commitment and how the best

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Speaker 1: the cheese, if you're poorl like me growing up, the milk, right,

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Speaker 1: And so we know that the milk and the cheese

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Speaker 1: and the ham come from the pig. Well, the cole

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Speaker 1: The pig made a commitment to the ham and cheese almor.

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Speaker 1: And we've got to understand that gifts what all three,

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Speaker 1: all three are needed to get the ham and cheese omelet.

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Speaker 1: We just need to know what role we're playing in

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Speaker 1: that in that particular situation. And at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, you've got to find something that you're willing

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Speaker 1: to die for, right, and really be serious about and

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Speaker 1: not let it just be rhelory because a lot of

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Speaker 1: times we do use rhetory. You know, I've heard so

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Speaker 1: many people that I die from our children, but yet

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Speaker 1: they won't turn up to a PTA meeting for their children.

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Speaker 1: So I look at that the rhetoric, but when you

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Speaker 1: die for your child, that means you'll fight for your children.

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Speaker 1: That means you will show up and make sure they're

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Speaker 1: getting the right type of education and all of that

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Speaker 1: other stuff. I'm talking about something that you're willing to

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Speaker 1: invest your whole body and soul. Let you what are

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Speaker 1: you willing to sacrifice for? And when you find that

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Speaker 1: thing that you embrace it. And this work that we're

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Speaker 1: doing here it could look glamorous, but at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, there's a specific amount of sacrifice that

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Speaker 1: had to go into it. And I would like every

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Speaker 1: now and then when I've been interviewed to talk about

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Speaker 1: what some of those sacrifices are. But there is there's

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Speaker 1: a lot that I had to sacrifice. I had to make,

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Speaker 1: but I was willing to do so because, like I

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Speaker 1: told my my team the other month, I'm at peach

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Speaker 1: for myself now because I found something other than my

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Speaker 1: family that I'm willing to die for. And I'm good now, bro,

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Speaker 1: But I am willing to die to make sure that

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Speaker 1: every American citizen have opportunity to experience what I experienced

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Speaker 1: when I voted for the first time in over thirty years.

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Speaker 1: I'm willing to die to make sure that every American

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Speaker 1: citizen has an opportunity to experience what I experienced when

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Speaker 1: I voted for the first time in thirty years. Thus

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Speaker 1: spoke Desmond Meade, So what are you willing to die for?

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Speaker 1: What are you willing to commit to? Are you going

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Speaker 1: to play the role of the chicken, the cow, or

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Speaker 1: the pig to make sure we make this omelet Desmond Meade.

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Speaker 1: He really could create an amazing cookbook, goodn't he? You

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Speaker 1: can find his organization, the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition, on

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Speaker 1: their website Florida r r C dot com or follow

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Speaker 1: them on social They're everywhere at f L Rights Restore.

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Speaker 1: That's Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. You can find Desmond on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at Desmond Mead m E A d E. Or

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. Add the number forty four after that, Desmond Meadet.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Desmond for a powerful, powerful lesson. We are

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Speaker 1: posting this episode the transcript, show notes, and more as

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Speaker 1: usual at how to citizen dot com. And as usual,

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Speaker 1: it is now time to get into the actions for

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Speaker 1: this episode. In our first category, internal actions Things you

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Speaker 1: can do alone A bit more reflective We've got three

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Speaker 1: things for you. Answer this question Desmond's question, do you

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Speaker 1: know anyone that you love that's ever made a mistake?

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Speaker 1: Think about it. Number two, Answer this question, Desmond's question,

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Speaker 1: are you the chicken, the cow or the pig? Because

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Speaker 1: that's how you make an homly. You need all those things.

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Speaker 1: But the cow makes a contribution, the chicken makes a contribution,

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Speaker 1: the pig makes a commitment. We need all those roles

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Speaker 1: to make this omelet of self governance and people power

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Speaker 1: and democracy. What role are you gonna play? Where and how?

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Speaker 1: Think about it. Lastly, in the internal section, read Desmond's

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Speaker 1: book It's Great. Let my people vote My battle to

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Speaker 1: restore the civil rights of returning citizens. We have it

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Speaker 1: linked in the show notes. We also have it in

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Speaker 1: our online bookshop, which is adding more titles by the week.

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Speaker 1: Visit it at bookshop dot org, slash shop slash how

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Speaker 1: to citizens for the external actions feeling sets of threes

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Speaker 1: right now, so three here Support the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition.

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Speaker 1: Go to Florida r RC dot com, slash volunteer. Make

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Speaker 1: yourself useful to this pro democracy movement in our midst

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Speaker 1: Find other people to take to the polls virtually or

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Speaker 1: actually we've recommended this before. We can't recommend it enough.

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Speaker 1: Talk about voting all the time, and coordinate with your

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Speaker 1: squad to get it done. Help each other out. You

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Speaker 1: don't have to do this alone. And lastly, spread some

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Speaker 1: good news. We are inundated with depressing information or outright

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Speaker 1: disinformation during this time. Amplify the opposite. Find a good

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Speaker 1: news story about voting or about democracy more broadly, and

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Speaker 1: tell everybody you know. The Solutions Journalism Network has a

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Speaker 1: great resource at Solutions Journalism dot org slash hub, and

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Speaker 1: they've got this carousel of recently published beautiful news which

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Speaker 1: will actually strengthen your faith. Let's do this together. It's

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Speaker 1: the only way to get it done. Thank you, Thank

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Speaker 1: you as usual. If you do any of these actions,

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Speaker 1: big or small, tell somebody tell us email action at

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Speaker 1: or maybe a chicken or cow or pig. We'll figure

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