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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone. I'm Amy Robots and I'm TJ.

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Speaker 2: Holmes.

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Speaker 3: And we ain't said that in a year. It's been

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Speaker 3: a hell of a year.

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Speaker 2: Two.

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Speaker 3: We have not introduced ourselves in any broadcast form in

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Speaker 3: a year.

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Speaker 1: We haven't spoken to many people in a year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just each other.

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Speaker 1: And here we are again, tight circle.

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Speaker 3: I should have done this podcast with somebody else, just

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Speaker 3: to branch out a little bit. You're the only person

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Speaker 3: I've talked to intimately in a year.

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Speaker 1: So seriously, you say the nicest things to me. No,

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Speaker 1: we're I don't. I can't speak for you, but I

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Speaker 1: am nervous. And we've been doing this for a long time,

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Speaker 1: almost three decades, and I can't remember the last time

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Speaker 1: I was nervous in front of a microphone, but I

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Speaker 1: am today.

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Speaker 3: Why you're ned because we haven't spoken.

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Speaker 1: We haven't said anything, and other people have had our story.

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Speaker 1: They've told our narrative. And I shouldn't say our they've

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Speaker 1: told a narrative. It isn't our narrative. And this is

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Speaker 1: the first time that we actually get to say what

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Speaker 1: happened and where we are today.

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Speaker 3: Well, you mean what happened? You have something on your mind?

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Speaker 3: Switness no, to your point, how many years you've been in.

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Speaker 1: This business, twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: And I've got what twenty four, twenty three, twenty four

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Speaker 3: and in the past, so you for twenty seven years,

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Speaker 3: me for twenty three have not gone probably more than

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Speaker 3: two weeks without being in broadcast, without in some way,

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Speaker 3: form or fashion, being on television broadcasting in some way.

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Speaker 3: And we haven't done it for a year, and today

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Speaker 3: is the first time in a year.

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Speaker 1: And today is actually a special day. You want to

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Speaker 1: call it that, well, it's it's almost apropos that we

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Speaker 1: would have this podcast air on December fifth, because December fifth,

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Speaker 1: last year, exactly one year ago, today was the day

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Speaker 1: we were told not to come into work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we never got a follow up call to say come.

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Speaker 1: Back, that's true. In fact, yeah, it was the opposite.

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Speaker 3: And this wasn't planned. This is very it's strange, but

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Speaker 3: I mean, what a hell of a coincidence. Though it

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Speaker 3: was December fifth, we got a call that sealed our

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Speaker 3: fate and it's pretty much assured that we wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: going back on the air at ABC. We can get

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Speaker 3: into that a little more and just a little bit,

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Speaker 3: but I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, we're here.

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Speaker 3: Look there's a lot been said about us, and for

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Speaker 3: those that might be some who are we're familiar with

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Speaker 3: us a little bit, maybe a lot, maybe not at all.

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Speaker 3: But I guess the best way to sum us off

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Speaker 3: Amy and TJ is that we are the We're the

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Speaker 3: folks who lost the jobs we love because we love

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Speaker 3: each other and that is bottom line, and that is

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Speaker 3: why we are here now. And this is why, I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's been a hell of Look, you never know, there

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Speaker 3: are a lot of people listening wherever you are right now,

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Speaker 3: where there. Maybe you're running on the West Side Highway

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Speaker 3: right now, maybe you're at home taking care of whatever,

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Speaker 3: maybe on a drive, whatever you might be doing. But

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Speaker 3: for us, this journey has a lot of you understand

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Speaker 3: that life, love, marriage, relationships can be messy and usually are.

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Speaker 3: So I think, how did you put it? You wanted

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Speaker 3: to thank people who suspended judgment, I think is what

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Speaker 3: you said.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we want to thank everybody who's listening

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Speaker 1: right now, any one of you out there who decided

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Speaker 1: to say hey, let me hear what they have to say.

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Speaker 1: We just want to say thank you because we haven't

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Speaker 1: had that opportunity yet. So yes, we're hoping and hopeful

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Speaker 1: that many of you have suspended judgment, that you haven't

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Speaker 1: believed everything you've read or seen or heard. We've even

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Speaker 1: been shocked and surprised at what's been said and what's

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Speaker 1: around and giving us a chance to tell our side

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Speaker 1: of the story. And we have had the incredible pleasure

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Speaker 1: kindest things to us over this past and it might

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Speaker 2: One of them was just a few minutes ago.

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Speaker 3: We happen to be talking to you right now from

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Speaker 3: a actually a hotel. We are sitting on a couch

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Speaker 3: hearing the story. But on our way this moment to

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Speaker 3: open to the elevator. We step in and a woman says,

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Speaker 3: I know who you are. This just happened and she

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Speaker 3: I am rooting for you. Congratulations. You look low and

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Speaker 3: It is just it was the last thing that happened

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Speaker 3: But the couple at Bill's barn Burgery in downtown New

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Speaker 3: you should hear our story. The flight attendant who was

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Speaker 3: at work as well. The truck driver downtown brother rolled

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Speaker 3: his winded down, big tough guy. Hey, I'm a fan

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Speaker 3: of love. Congratulations. Those things have been incredible. And the

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Speaker 1: A Noble, she actually got tearful and she just told

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Speaker 1: us she missed us and she loved us, and to

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Speaker 1: keep on loving each other. There was a woman on

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Speaker 1: the escalator who just said, I am so happy that

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Speaker 1: y'all are still together and that y'all love each other.

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Speaker 1: I think in the end, all of us are always

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Speaker 1: rooting for love, and it doesn't always happen when you

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Speaker 1: it's undeniable, when it's real, and it's something you have

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Speaker 1: can attest to the fact that relationships are hard, they're messy,

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Speaker 1: they're not perfect. But we have fought for love and

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Speaker 1: I can say that I've never been happier I am

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Speaker 1: with my best friend. I'm not going to get cheesy,

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Speaker 1: I promise, although that was kind of cheesy, so I apologize. Sorry, Sorry.

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Speaker 3: More cheese.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's delveda this. I we have gone through I

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Speaker 1: a lot of support from our family, from a tight

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Speaker 1: really tough stuff. And we have more work to do,

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Speaker 1: as all relationships will require. But it has been the

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Speaker 3: So we say it's been a hell of a year.

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Speaker 3: And look, it's it's odd to say it when people ask.

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Speaker 3: It was even my mom was on the phone, I

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Speaker 3: she asked me how I was doing, and I said,

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Speaker 3: I'm the healthiest and happiest I've ever been in my life.

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Speaker 1: And she said, really, have you seen this magazine or

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Speaker 3: You're doing good? But we are. And look, there's there's

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Speaker 3: not a We're going to get into some stuff here

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Speaker 3: what happened over the past year, But the bottom line

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Speaker 3: is a lot of people are curious, and I know

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Speaker 3: some stuff is still being written, and I know we

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Speaker 3: I am in love with this woman and she's in

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Speaker 3: So anywhere you read anything that says a source close

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Speaker 3: us and the conversations we've been having. So I'm not

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Speaker 3: accusing some publication of lying. Maybe they depending on a

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Speaker 2: And here we go.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we have spent a lot of time together you

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Speaker 1: and I have we not over these past almost well

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so.

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Speaker 2: I guess we talked about we were into.

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Speaker 3: The why of this anniversary is so odd, but this

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Speaker 3: really goes back to I guess really, November thirtieth is

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Speaker 3: the day. November thirtieth, twenty twenty two, was the day

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Speaker 3: that we were and this is very important. We were

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Speaker 3: out it. We were outed, We were outed. We were

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Speaker 3: not caught by a publication that outed us. And so

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Speaker 3: to be clear, we were out at as being in

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Speaker 3: and it wasn't the case. Because the odd thing is

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Speaker 3: at that point been were in divorce proceedings.

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Speaker 3: They confirm it is, so I don't know why we

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Speaker 3: didn't put this together. The pictures that quote unquote outed

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Speaker 3: us the day I started being followed. The first day.

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Speaker 3: The first pictures that were taken were me coming out

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Speaker 3: picture actually confirms that I was out of my marriage,

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Speaker 3: So it's funny to put it that way and to

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Speaker 3: but that's actually true. But November thirtieth was a rough day.

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Speaker 3: You happen to be off work that day.

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Speaker 1: I was actually giving a speech in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: A breast cancer speech. It was a little bit of

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Speaker 1: later in November, and I was at the podium and

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Speaker 1: I always have a phone up there just in case

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason. But it was buzzing NonStop, and everyone

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Speaker 1: I just thought it was strange and it wouldn't stop buzzing.

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Speaker 1: And it was. It was TJ. It was also I

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Speaker 1: think our executive producer. It was ABCPR, it was my

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Speaker 1: of these pictures and trying to explain what was actually

437
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: happening versus what people said was happening. It was awful

438
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: and they were amazing, and they got me through those

439
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: first few days. But TJ and I were apart. I mean,

440
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: you were at your apartment. I was at my apartment

441
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,959
Speaker 1: because I was moving to your point. My ex had

442
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: moved out months before, but I already had a move

443
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: scheduled for that week to move to my new apartment

444
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: with my sixteen year old daughter. And so boxes are everywhere.

445
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it couldn't have been more chaotic and more crazy.

446
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: And so I was doing my thing, TJ. You were

447
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: at your house.

448
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 3: And for me it was different because I was hold

449
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 3: up alone. Yeah, I was in an apartment by myself.

450
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 3: That look so you know this because right so being

451
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 3: helped me set the apartment up right.

452
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:56,479
Speaker 1: I helped a little Ti.

453
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: You have to lie. No, no, no, no, you did kidding

454
00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 3: up kidding, You're kidding.

455
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 1: No.

456
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have known what colored dishtiles did buy. I

457
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: had not been for you, Vevy. But I am in

458
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 3: my apartment in Saben when everything hits. I didn't want

459
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 3: her around me because I was being we were being pursued,

460
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 3: being set chased. So that was essentially you didn't have it.

461
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 3: You could go home, but you literally were moving, so

462
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 3: you couldn't just close the door and hide. You had

463
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 3: to manage a move. I went home and was alone

464
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: all of that time. November thirty, again, that was the

465
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 3: day this all came out, But that was a Wednesday,

466
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 3: and we went to work on that Thursday and Friday,

467
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 3: December first and second, But my only interaction with human

468
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: beings was going to the studio. We kept the doors closed,

469
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 3: came out, did the show, and bounced and then I

470
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 3: was home alone.

471
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: And it was interesting because when we got the call,

472
00:24:54,119 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: we were obviously managing work and what they were trying

473
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: to figure out what to do, how to handle us.

474
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: We had conversations and at that time everyone agreed we

475
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: hadn't violated company policy, and so it was agreed upon

476
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: by everyone that we should just come back to work.

477
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: In fact, I believe I was asked, are you comfortable

478
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: coming back to work, and I said, that's what I

479
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: want to do. I want to come back to work.

480
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: I want normalcy. I want to be able to hold

481
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: my head up high and say, yes, I'm in this relationship.

482
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: But we're doing everything the way we were supposed to

483
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: be doing it. So it was agreed upon. So coming

484
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: back into work, it was a little nerve wracking, but

485
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: it actually felt good. I felt like we had support

486
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: from our coworkers. For the most part. People were coming

487
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: in and giving us hugs and telling us it was

488
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: going to be okay and this too shall pass, and

489
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 1: they were happy for us, and we were feeling okay

490
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: about it all. And then as the news cycle goes

491
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: everyone wants in on it, and so people start digging

492
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: and they start reporting other things, and things start spiraling

493
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: out of control. And we had to get a price

494
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,959
Speaker 1: management team to try and help us field all these

495
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: phone calls. We were talking to reporters, We were trying

496
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: to give them information so that they weren't printing misinformation,

497
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: but that didn't work out perfectly well, and we got

498
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: to a point on Thursday where you were in a

499
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: pretty dark spot, pretty dark space.

500
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 3: Look, look, I don't know what was going Look you

501
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 3: you let me read it this morning. You still have it,

502
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 3: But that was Thursday, So it was the next day

503
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 3: and I didn't even realize how I was talking to you.

504
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 3: But you were receiving messages that were from me in

505
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: the past, tense, and I didn't realize I was sending

506
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 3: them and I was sending them to you. I didn't

507
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: know how it was sounding. I'm not sure where my

508
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 3: head was at that time. But that was Thursday. I

509
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 3: didn't realize. You reminded me that this morning, that it

510
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: was the very next day. Well then you had to

511
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 3: do a welfare check. I guess it's the best way

512
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: to play.

513
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: It was three four. That's very very understated way of

514
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: putting it. At three forty five pm that afternoon, you

515
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: sent me a text basically saying I'm sorry. You were

516
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: the love of my life. I'm so sorry this has happened.

517
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: And you just kept saying you were sorry, but you

518
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: were using past tense in the entire text. And I

519
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: texted back and I said, you're scaring me. Please tell

520
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: me you're okay. No response. I'm calling you ill. He

521
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: doesn't answer. I FaceTime him, he doesn't answer his face time,

522
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: and now I'm getting calls from work producers trying to

523
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: get in touch with him. He's not answering anybody. I

524
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: start to panic, and my parents were there with me,

525
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to betray him by reading a

526
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: text that he sent to me to my parents, but

527
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: I was so afraid that he had done something, and

528
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: I read it out loud to my mom and dad,

529
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: and I started to cry, and my mom looked at

530
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: me and she was like, you have to go down

531
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: there right now. You need to go check. And my

532
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: dad said I'm coming with you, and so my dad

533
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: and I. It was two hours later after he sent

534
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: this text. We jumped into an uber and I was

535
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: pretty hysterical, and my dad was holding my hand and

536
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: we got to his building and I knew the doorman

537
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: and I said, I need to get up. He's like,

538
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: I'm coming with you. I had a key, but he

539
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: said I'm coming with you because this was Robert and

540
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: he loves you. And he came up with us, the

541
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: three of us, and I was shaking, and I remember

542
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: going down the hall opening the door and my dad

543
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: came in with me and I saw you and you

544
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: were just splayed out on your bed and I ran

545
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: to you. I said, TJ, and you didn't move, and

546
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: I remember this was the most awful thing, having to

547
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: touch your body to see if you were warm. I

548
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: was so afraid. You were just incoherent. You don't really

549
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: even remember me coming, do you A kind of? I said, baby,

550
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: tell me you're okay, tell me you're okay, And you

551
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: were kind of just making no sense. But I knew

552
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: you were alive, and I knew you were going to

553
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: be okay. And I stayed with you for a little bit,

554
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: and my dad stayed with me, and he told me

555
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: he was like, I was so afraid of what you

556
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: were going to find.

557
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the night.

558
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: But the day was essentially me getting off work at

559
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: eleven AM, and I immediately started pounding vodka and I

560
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: didn't stop for the several hours, and then I took

561
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: who knows how many weed edibles, and that's how I

562
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 3: ended up in the state I was in.

563
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I that combination was terrifying. You weren't moving,

564
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: and my god, I will never forget that night.

565
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: Now, this is something we need to and we'll talk

566
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: about this down the road. Like after the night we

567
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: just had and everything that happened, we show up at

568
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: work and try to put on some brave face going

569
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: through the absolute worst hell either one of us had

570
00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 3: ever experienced.

571
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: We're not asking for anything but just open minds and

572
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: open hearts. And I think it's another reminder we did

573
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: this for a living. We interviewed people who were at

574
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: their worst moments or had had the most unimaginable things

575
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: happen to them, and you can try to commiserate, and

576
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: you can try to imagine what it would be like,

577
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: especially if you're then in the spotlight and you've got

578
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: cameras in your face and you've got journalists yelling things

579
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: at you. You can imagine what it feels like. Until

580
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: the tables are turned and we experienced it, and I'm

581
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: hoping that that's just gonna make us more compassionate and

582
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: empathetic for anyone who's been in whatever situation you find yourself,

583
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: and whether you're the cause of it or it happens

584
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: to you, whatever it is, we're all human beings here,

585
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: and I think it was just a brutal reminder of that.

586
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: I have described this, and I am not being dramatic.

587
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people might know. I know

588
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: I do tend to be but I think a lot

589
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: of people know that I'm a breast cancer survivor and

590
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: I just celebrated ten years. So I used to always

591
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: say that twenty thirteen was the worst year of my life,

592
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: the hardest year of my life. I look back now,

593
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: and it's interesting. When you go through cancer, Yes you're

594
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: afraid that you're going to die, but you're fighting to live,

595
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: and you've got all these people around you supporting you

596
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: and cheering you on and saying you've got this, and

597
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: you feel this collective hug from people who are lifting

598
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: you up when you're scared and you're going through all

599
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: of these treatments. But this year, I wanted to die.

600
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: There were days where I wanted to die, and that

601
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: was something I had never experienced before in my life.

602
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to get up. I didn't want

603
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: to see what new headline was going to be out there,

604
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: and that has been such an eye opening experience. And

605
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: then to feel like, you know, who is still behind me,

606
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: who supports me? Will I work again? Will I be

607
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: ever trusted again? Will people believe what really happened versus

608
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: what people have written happened? And those were all things

609
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: that we had to go through and deal with. I

610
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: will say that I just felt extremely lucky.

611
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: That we had each other, and folks are wondering why.

612
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: I guess we could have tried to clear this up,

613
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: if you will, at some point earlier, but some folks

614
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: told us early on, well, if you don't get ahead

615
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: of it, you're done. And so that train left the station.

616
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: There's nothing we could do to get people to stop

617
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: saying what they were saying, and we saw things that

618
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 3: were one hundred percent wrong. They were fabrications, they were lies,

619
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: they were mistakes sometimes, but we did not for the

620
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: past year. And a lot of this had to do

621
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: with us trying to get our own homes in order. Look,

622
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: a lot of damage was done. It's not even about marriage.

623
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: The marriages, right, that's tough enough to go through divorce,

624
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 3: But we were trying to get our kids so and

625
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: get our kids to understand why we didn't tell everybody

626
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: what was going on with us ahead of time. That

627
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 3: work continues, but that is in a much.

628
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: Better place than it was. But that took a lot

629
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: of work.

630
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: And the i'm sorries and the apologies, the first ones

631
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: went to Sabine and went to your daughter's for just

632
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: not telling them ahead of that.

633
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm still saying I'm sorry because it's it's a very

634
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: It's one thing for us to deal with the press

635
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: and to deal with the headlines and the honestly, the

636
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: paparazzi that have been you know, they've they've become as

637
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: much a part of our lives as anything. They're there

638
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: all the time, and so when I'm with my children,

639
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: when I'm with my daughters, they're there and their pictures

640
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: are being taken, and imagine, I just try to put

641
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: myself in their shoes. It's it's their family, and they're

642
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: so young, they don't have the tools or the life

643
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: experience to even really be able to put it into perspective.

644
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: And it's just been a really hard, hard journey that

645
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: will continue that. You know. I'm still can We're all

646
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: in therapy, all sorry, and you.

647
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: Know, but I'm better equipped. We've talked about this as

648
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 3: well in what several years back twenty Can I go

649
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: back to seventeen eighteen, nineteen twenty those years I was

650
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: a mess, That was an absolute mess. But going through

651
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: what I went through at the time and putting good

652
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: practices in place made me better equipped to deal with this.

653
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 3: If that was if I was in the shape I

654
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: was in back then when this happened, God knows what

655
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 3: would have come out of this, But I think I

656
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: think it's very difficult to sit here now and imagine

657
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 3: being in a better place. It's hard to imagine because

658
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: we did.

659
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: Now.

660
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: This is fair to say those are dream jobs. That's not,

661
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: and it's not just a matter of I mean, it

662
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 3: was the dream job, and that we were doing some

663
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 3: hard news, some of the lighter stuff inspirational, aspirational as

664
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: you say, and you're sitting on the set with your

665
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 3: best freaking friend and your show is airing every day

666
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: on a network in the afternoon. Everything is that this

667
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 3: was the dream job. We lost those dream jobs, And

668
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 3: how in the hell can I sit here in a

669
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: year later say I'm in a better place than I was.

670
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: That seems impossible, but it's the truth.

671
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: It's true if you think about it. That was one

672
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: of the concerns. I mean, it was on the list.

673
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,479
Speaker 1: Been doing this for almost three decades now, and we

674
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: haven't just been dabbling in it. We have been working

675
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: around the clock, crazy weeks, such an investment of time.

676
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: But because we loved our jobs, we had genuine passion

677
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: for it, and we're so grateful for where we got

678
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: in our careers and what we had been able to accomplish,

679
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: and we're excited about what was next. I was really

680
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: nervous about how we were going to handle the two

681
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: of us not working.

682
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: And it turns out it's not so bad.

683
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: We actually found a way to think, whoa WHOA. I

684
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: can do things, I can go places, I can spend

685
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: time with people who and on things. And we've watched, well,

686
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: we've watched a lot of television. I will say that what.

687
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: Happened we watched any news watch news anymore.

688
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: That's true. It's been a reset, a total reset, And

689
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: I think I always was a little concerned that my

690
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: job defined me in a lot of ways. Well, when

691
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: it was gone, you have to figure it out, and

692
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: we have a new definition.

693
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: Though you may tell you what it is.

694
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is it?

695
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: Well, if you read the.

696
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: Papers, Oh oh yeah, no, I don't like that. But

697
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: I think the opportunity to actually work on yourself as

698
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: a as a human has been amazing. And we've been

699
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: able to work on our relationship. We have been in

700
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: the trenches together, actually, and we're stronger and better than

701
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: we've than I could have ever imagined.

702
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: Oh, people can't see us right now, so sweet, you

703
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 3: have your hand on my legs.

704
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: They see the way you're looking at me right now,

705
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: they would just smelt Oh my god.

706
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: Don't don't be creepy. This podcast yea star project here.

707
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 3: This podcast is dropping this first episode. It's launching on

708
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 3: December fifth, twenty twenty three. Sorry on this day. So

709
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: on December fifth, twenty twenty two, it was a Monday morning.

710
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: What had happened that whole weekend? We worked our asses

711
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: off all that previous weekend, talking to so many reporters,

712
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 3: talking to so many folks on background who were we

713
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: want to do an interview. We weren't going to do that,

714
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 3: but they wanted to understand or try to get more

715
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 3: details about what was happening, and some outlets were deciding

716
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: what they were going to do moving forward. It was

717
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 3: non stop that weekend. Once we explained to certain larger

718
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: mainstream I guess you could say traditional media outlets our story,

719
00:37:55,080 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: but there were several mainstream outlets, major outlets, more tradition outlets,

720
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 3: not tabloids and whatnot who were calling and we're asking questions.

721
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 3: And once we explained to them, like we just explained

722
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: here on this podcast what was going on where we

723
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: were in our divorces, and they dropped it. They did not.

724
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 3: They decided we are not doing the story because it's

725
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: not a story. Two people who are out of their

726
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: marriages are dating now, Okay, we're moving on, and they

727
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: did not write a story. So we go through Saturday

728
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: and Sunday, all of this crisis, managers on the phone,

729
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 3: pr people NonStop, still not seeing each other. We couldn't

730
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: reconnect yet, so I'm still hold up in that apartment,

731
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: no myself doing all this. So we got some Monday

732
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: and thought, wow, we have put this thing to some dead,

733
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: to some rest, and we're going to be able to

734
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: go back into work and move forward.

735
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: That's all we wanted to do. We just wanted to

736
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: be able to do what we love. Hopefully the story

737
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: had run through enough cycles, that's what we were being told,

738
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: and it was wrapping up. They dug up everything they

739
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: thought they could try to throw at us, and it

740
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: was going to die out and peter out. And then

741
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: it was around six am on Monday morning. We were

742
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: both getting ready to go into work. I was excited

743
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: to go into work to put this behind us, and

744
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: we each got a phone call from our bosses saying

745
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: that they had made the decision. And they made it

746
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: again a point to say we hadn't violated any company policy,

747
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: but because we had become a distraction that they thought

748
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: it would be best if they temporarily took us off

749
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: the air to let things die down, quiet down. And

750
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: I remember I said, oh, please, no, please, if you

751
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: do this, I mean I was begging, if you do this,

752
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: this is going to create a whole new round of

753
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: articles and now the media, more of the trusted media,

754
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: I would say that passed on doing the story. Now

755
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: this is going to be a story if you take

756
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: us off the air, Please don't do this. And I

757
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: did ask. I said, if you're going to make an

758
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: announcement to the rest of our colleagues, can you please

759
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: at least acknowledge that we have not violated company policy.

760
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: And that was the compromise that I reached. But I

761
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: was sick to my stomach because we knew what was

762
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: coming once that announcement was made.

763
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: Well, it's one thing to say, I mean, for anybody,

764
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 3: it's one thing to say that those two are dating,

765
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: now right. That's look, if this had gone the other way,

766
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 3: meaning if we had put out statements about divorces and

767
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 3: then people found out we were dating, they would raise

768
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: some eyebrows and go, wooh, okay, that's still an interesting

769
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: topic if you will, that somebody might talk about. But

770
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 3: doing it this way, it's a much more. The story

771
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 3: became mainstream when they're able to say two morning show

772
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: stars suspended. That's now a major story. And given the

773
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: brand we were attached to, that's a big, big deal.

774
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: And we knew that was going to be a big

775
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: deal as soon as they said we weren't coming, And

776
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: that was the day. That was the morning we knew

777
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: we would not be going back to that network. We

778
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: knew that phone call sealed it because it's you can't

779
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: come back from that. And so that was a very

780
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: very difficult morning, difficult day, and it did. It started

781
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: a whole new round of stuff that we were trying

782
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: to get to quiet down. And so to a certain degree,

783
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: this is a when we talked about names for this

784
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: for this podcast, like one of them we were going

785
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 3: to do go with was scandal less because this was

786
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: a scandal that wasn't and this was not what you've

787
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 3: been sold on to a lot of people. Look, we

788
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: take full responsibility. We've explained some of the decisions we

789
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: made that led to us sitting here right now. Maybe

790
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: we should have put out a statement earlier, maybe we

791
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: should all these things. This is absolutely this is on us,

792
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: but we are We're sorry. We're only now being able

793
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 3: to talk to some of you and tell you and

794
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: you said it earlier and you correct it when people

795
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: say our side of the story, it's not our side.

796
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 3: There's just the story, and it's been wrong from day one.

797
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: It has been and it is cathartic and incredible to

798
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: be able to start to tell it and to live it.

799
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: We have not, gosh, we have not felt comfortable holding

800
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: our heads up high walking down the street. At least

801
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: we didn't initially, but we've started to now, and this

802
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: we're only hoping will create a new way forward where

803
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: we can at least say, here's what actually happened, and

804
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: here's what we wish we would have done better and differently.

805
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: I wish that we would have been more transparent. I

806
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: wish that I would have included my daughters more into

807
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: what was happening in my life. Those were all things

808
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: I certainly regret and I've learned from and I do

809
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: think that it's all about communication. We were in the

810
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: communication business, and still what happened happened. But I'm so

811
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: hopeful that there is a new path forward. And we

812
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: have so many people because as awful as it was,

813
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: we had so many people lifting us up and guiding us.

814
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: You did, no, I didn't.

815
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: Who are your people?

816
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: You should have passed some of your people to me.

817
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: You didn't hear I was in an apartment by myself,

818
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 3: trying to measure out edibles. Didn't go well, No, I

819
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 3: know what you're saying, and people say you find out

820
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: who your who your friends are in these times. I

821
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: don't know, it's been something about it that didn't I

822
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: didn't feel worse about people like there were people who

823
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: you know this, some we hadn't talked to in weeks,

824
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 3: in months, in six months and a year and years

825
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: that were calling and texting me every single day when

826
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: this went down every day, Then there were people that

827
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 3: I talked to and saw every single day that I

828
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 3: ain't heard from since exactly.

829
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: You know who your friends are, and you definitely find

830
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: out who your friends aren't in these types of moments, But.

831
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: No, who were your people? Who are you saying so

832
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 3: that lifted you up?

833
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: Are we are we naming names?

834
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 2: This is positive?

835
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: This is all positive, I would say. One of the

836
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: people who just started and wouldn't stop texting me even

837
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: when I didn't respond, Sarah Haynes. She was an absolute pleasure.

838
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: She said, I'm gonna keep texting you. I'm going to

839
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: keep checking in on you.

840
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: To fire her.

841
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: I know that's what I was afraid of. Mike. I

842
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: think it's positive, but maybe it won't be positive for her.

843
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 1: You also worry about, like, I don't know, being connected

844
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: to us, may somehow I'll bring you down. So I

845
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: don't want to necessarily do that, but she was incredible.

846
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: She and I have been friends for fifteen years. We

847
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: go all the way back to NBC, and she just

848
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: and honestly, someone who still works at that network, to

849
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: keep checking in, to keep calling, to actually be seen

850
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: in public with me. That is a statement. That is

851
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: something that does show incredible support.

852
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: Who else.

853
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: Putting me on the spot here? Well, my family. My

854
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: mom is one of nine, my dad is one of six.

855
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: I have a lot of aunts and uncles and some

856
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: of them are closer in age to me than they

857
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: are to even my parents. Because of the big families,

858
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: and my family showed up. My aunts, my uncles, my cousins.

859
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: They were texting me saying we love you. And I

860
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: remember my aunt Ann. She's only six years older than me,

861
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: so she's like my big sister Annie. I call her.

862
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: I named my I actually my little girl, I call

863
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: Annie because of her. But she sent me a text

864
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: and this really got me. She said, we know who

865
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: you are and we love you. And because you start

866
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: feeling like everyone else is saying you're something that you're

867
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: not and you can't deny it. You can't say, nahh,

868
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm not like that, and she just sent me that text,

869
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: and I remember that meant the world to me. And

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00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't even want to leave out all my other

871
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: aunts and uncles, but I still am getting texts like

872
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: we love you. They will tell me about people, especially

873
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: who had my last name. You know, someone came into

874
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: work and said, tell your niece that we love her

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00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: and we love TJ. And we're with them and we

876
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: support them. And they would just pass along those texts

877
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: or those moments of support from other people, just to

878
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: let me know there are more people out there who

879
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: are supporting you than who are saying bad things about you.

880
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: And I think we needed to hear that. I know

881
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: I needed to hear that because you really try not

882
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: to read the comments, and you were really good at

883
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: not looking at the coverage. I was not. I was not.

884
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: I looked and I saw a lot of things I

885
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: wished I hadn't, but I knew my daughters were saying it,

886
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 1: and I kind of wanted to know. And when the

887
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: paparazzi on the street is sticking his tongue out at

888
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: me and I just kind of want to know he's

889
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: what he's writing. It's a strange thing to be walking

890
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: down the street and knowing every facial expression you have

891
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: is being interpreted, and so just to not be able

892
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: to speak or to know what's being written for you

893
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: instead of being said by you. It's everything to know

894
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: that the people who know you, the people who love you, say,

895
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: we're not ever going to turn our backs on you.

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Speaker 3: I still don't look at that stuff. I know you,

897
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,479
Speaker 3: and we've gotten invites about it before because you share

898
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 3: tried to share something with me. I'm like, I do

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00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 3: not want to hear anything. Because I got that advice

900
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 3: early on from somebody who has been through more tabloid

901
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: stuff than most people can ever imagine over a career

902
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 3: in Hollywood. And she's very early on said don't you

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00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 3: listen to or read anything, and followed up by saying,

904
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: do you hear me? Do not read or listen, And

905
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: she has been through pales in comparison, you could probably

906
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 3: argue what she's gone through her whole career.

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00:47:59,040 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: But that was great advice.

908
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: But Chuck, Matt Montel, Candy Hallie Byron Isaiah, those are

909
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 3: the that's the group of folks. And maybe I can

910
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: get into more of who they are later, but those

911
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: are the folks who who carried me through at the

912
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 3: darkest days, which was in December of twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: I need to point out Nikki and Daneska. Those two

914
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: were just my rocks in terms of even moving and

915
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: helping me not have to deal with all of the

916
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: logistical burdens in the middle of all of this huge

917
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: storm and have been with me every step of the way.

918
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: So I just my glam squad at the studio just

919
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: still chuck in on me every day and have been

920
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: so supportive and so kind. And these were women who

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00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: I was with every morning for almost a decade and

922
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: they're still with me in spirit and they have meant

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00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: the world to me, all of them.

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Speaker 3: They two tens