1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huddle on giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: dot Com. We go here, we go on the Giants 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: bubble him. Let's go part of the Giants podcast Network. 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: All right, welcome to another edition of a giant little podcast, 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: brought to you by p S and G Energy Efficiency 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: for game time. At any time, visit PSEG dot com 7 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: slash Giants for discounts, rebates at home energy assessments. Today 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: we complete our NFL Network Draft Analyst Bingo Card. We're 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: joined by Bucky Brooks. We've already had Daniel Jeremiah, we 10 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: had your man, Rett Lewis. We even had Charles Davis, 11 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: we had Symphony Freeland. The whole path to the draft 12 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: crew has been on and now we get the best 13 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: for last high school coaching legend and former NFL scout, 14 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. Bucky, how are you man? 15 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,319 Speaker 2: Man? I am great. How you guys doing. 16 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: We're doing great? And don't worry. Rick gave us all 17 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: the down low on the Indiana prospects. You don't have 18 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: to worry about it. 19 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm sure he has them all. He has 20 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: them all down in. 21 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: He was locked and loaded, all right, So talk to 22 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: me about this former scout. You're in your this week 23 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: and this weekend, you're kind of in your final meetings 24 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: with your coaching staff the rest of your front office 25 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: getting draft board set. How much of this for you 26 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: was trying to convince the coaching staff to get on 27 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: board with some of the players that you really liked 28 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: after your draft process was complete. 29 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think you always have a handful 30 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 3: of guys that you really are willing to stand on 31 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 3: the table for, Like you're pound the table for those 32 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: guys because you really believe in what they can do 33 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 3: and how they can enhance and upgrade your team. 34 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: But a lot of it is trying to make sure 35 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: that collectively, as a unit, we get it right. And 36 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: so a lot of. 37 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 3: That requires everybody to put their ego to the side 38 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 3: and try and make decisions that are best for the team. 39 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: So when we talk about these guys, like try to 40 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 3: really bring up their strengths to weaknesses, try to really 41 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 3: accurately project how they're going to fit into the locker 42 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 3: room and how they can fit into the scheme and 43 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 3: those things. And sometimes you have to back down because 44 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: you know, like in the end of it, like is 45 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: it really worth me going this hard for this player. 46 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: Is he really a great fit or will we be 47 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: better served to look elsewhere? You know, you have to 48 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 3: have some of those hard conversations, but hopefully the unit 49 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 3: is intact as a scouting staff where everyone is committed 50 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: just to get it right and not doing things just 51 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 3: to make yourself look good. 52 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Bucky, I'm sure you've seen situations too where the 53 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: front office says we're drafting this guy, the position coach 54 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: or the head coach maybe doesn't want them, and then 55 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: even though the players good and he should succeed the league, 56 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: he doesn't because the coach is never on board. 57 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, everybody needs to be in lockstep. 58 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 3: Like, hopefully what you have is alignment in the organization 59 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 3: from top to bottom. 60 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: Front officers and coaching staff are on the same page. 61 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 3: They see the game through the same vision, and when 62 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 3: a player is drafted, there is a plan in place 63 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: for every player to develop and see if you can 64 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: maximize their potential. And so that's why it's really important 65 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: that you have a great cooperation between your coaching staff 66 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 3: and your. 67 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: Scouting staff, because as. 68 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 3: Scouts, you don't want to give coaches players that they 69 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 3: don't want to coach. And as coaches, you want to 70 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: make sure that there's some reverence for what the scouting 71 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 3: staff is saying because they have done a lot of 72 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 3: the leg work when it comes to it evaluating the 73 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: players and going through the process. 74 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: And Joe Shann has talked Bucky about how he's kind 75 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: of learned the type of players that wing Martindale wants 76 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: on defense. Here's a very familiar with Dable from his 77 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: time in Buffalo. They were kind of on the same page. 78 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: But he's learned what Wink wants. So I guess this 79 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: is a good place to start. It's a good segue. 80 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: Wink wants to play press man outside, right, That's what 81 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: he wants to do for you. When you're looking for 82 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: traits for cornerbacks, what are you looking for when you're 83 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: trying to fit a corner into that scheme? And with 84 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: the Giants at twenty five, I think we can throw 85 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: out Witherspoon, throw out Gonzales, throw out Porter. Who are 86 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: some of the guys that you might like that could 87 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: be available at twenty five that fit those traits that 88 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: you would want to put in there into a pressman's game. 89 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: Okay, so pressman, you're looking for guys who are long. Preferably, 90 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: you want guys that are five. 91 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: Ten and a half or taller. You're liking to be 92 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: five eleven. 93 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: If you can find six foot of taller, is great 94 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: because that length helps you not only at the line 95 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: of scrimmage, it helps you down the line when the. 96 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: Ball is in the air. 97 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: You're fighting for those fifty to fifty balls with some 98 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 3: of the big receivers down the field. You would like 99 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: all the guy who has that athleticism. So you want 100 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: to pay attention to the length. You want to pay 101 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: attention to the vertical jump because that matters. We talk 102 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: about expanding and negating the strike zone. Those guys can 103 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: do that. The thing about like big corners, which are 104 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: different in smaller corners. So big corners are like six 105 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: one sixty two. They're different when it comes to moving 106 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: around than guys that are five. 107 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: To ten or short. So you can be okay with 108 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: a guy that is a little. 109 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: Stiffer, more straight line, because what you're asking them to 110 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 3: do is to play nose to nose the entire game, 111 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: and so from a mental standpoint. 112 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: They need to be competitors. 113 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 3: They have to be competitors, and they have to have 114 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 3: a level of toughness that's not just the physical toughness, 115 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: but mentally because when you play as much manna man 116 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: as Wink wants to play, your ability to bounce. 117 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: Back from giving up completions, giving. 118 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 3: Up touchdowns, being thrown at down after down after down. 119 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: It takes a different. 120 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: Mentality to be able to hold up in weather that barrage. 121 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: And so when I think of some of the players 122 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 3: that could be available, naturally, Keeley Ringo from Georgia will 123 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 3: be in the conversation. Deontay Banks from Maryland will be 124 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: in that conversation. I love the player, but I think 125 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: he may be too slender to take a be taken 126 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 3: in the first round. 127 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: Emmanuel Forbes, he. 128 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 3: Has some really good skills. He's probably better from off 129 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 3: than up. Cam Smith from South Carolina could be in 130 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 3: the conversation. Like you're getting into these guys that are 131 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: kind of friends. I mean, look, when you're picking twenty fifth, 132 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: you're picking like borderline first round, second round type player. 133 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 2: And so a lot of it is. 134 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: Fit what the what does Wink want on the edge, 135 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 3: And we saw last year worked out and there was kind. 136 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 2: Of a revolving door of players playing in that secondary. 137 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: Now that he's been there, they have had success, he'll 138 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 3: be able to kind of get more more of his guys. 139 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, a great segue, Buck, because I think you know, 140 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: we do do these mock drafts here. I know you 141 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: have to do them too. They're paying the bup, but 142 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: everyone loves them. You got to do them right. At 143 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: what point do you get in this first round when 144 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: you're sitting there and you're trying to give a player 145 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: to a team and you're like, boy, I really don't 146 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: feel like this is a first round player, but he's 147 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: the best player left. What's kind of been your cutoff 148 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: point with your exercise doing this where you're starting to 149 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: feel like, boy, I wish I could trade down here 150 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: if I could, but we're not playing that game with 151 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: Max obviously, I. 152 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: Would say like this. 153 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,559 Speaker 3: So, like the general question, the way that your attack 154 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: it is, I think they're about fifteen to eighteen first 155 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 3: round talents in the drive. 156 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: Yep. 157 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 3: Once you get past like eighteen, you're dealing with second 158 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 3: round players, and that's no disrespect to this class. 159 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: That's kind of where it lines up. 160 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: There's not the high end blue chip player that we 161 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 3: normally used to see in like the transcend that started. 162 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: Everyone could point him be like, this guy's the Mile Scary, 163 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: this guy's the Julius Peppers, this guy's the certified star 164 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 3: that we know is going to come in and take over. 165 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 3: And so there are a lot of really really good players. 166 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: I don't know if there are any great players. And 167 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: so the big thing that you have to do when 168 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 3: you're the Giants or a team is you got to 169 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 3: go to the to the draft with a handful the 170 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: criteria that you're looking for in terms of the players 171 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 3: that you want to add, and then you're hoping that 172 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: those guys check off the boxes not only from a 173 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: playing standpoint, but from a Nintanga standpoint, and. 174 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: Then go that route. 175 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: But it's gonna be a very difficult draft for a 176 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 3: lot of people because so many different players have similar 177 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: grades become to fall. 178 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: Into that that second. 179 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3: That day two category, but they're not enough Day one 180 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: guys for all of them to go. 181 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: I mean, like it it'd be quick, a quick run 182 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: on those first round players. 183 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying. I was going through my board 184 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: today and I'm like, God, picks twenty to thirty eight players, 185 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: twenty to thirty out of my board. They're kind of 186 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: they're all neck and neck, and then you're talking about fit, knee, position, value, 187 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: all that stuff. So I guess then when you talk strategy, 188 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: you're picked in twenty five, you're probably gonna get a 189 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: second round player. Is this the draft buck where you 190 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: try to maybe take a shot on traits at a 191 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: more premium position, or is if you're in this position 192 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: making the pick, do you say, look, line, drive double 193 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: to the gap. Pick my starting center for the next 194 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: eight years. He might not be a pro bowler, but 195 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: I know he's going to start. How would you approach 196 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: it from just a strategy and tactical standpoint. 197 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of like what you just said, 198 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 3: like playing baseball. I'm assuming since you're with the Giants, 199 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 3: so you're probably a Yankees fan. 200 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: I am. 201 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: Yes, you want to put it, you want to put 202 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: it right in the gap. 203 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: You want to have a stand up double, and you 204 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: can be okay with that because you win a lot 205 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: of games like that. It is really important when you're 206 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 3: looking at that. It's funny that you bring up center, 207 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: because yes, the Giants could. Everyone will mock and speculate 208 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 3: all these sexy positions. But if you go and get 209 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: a center that plays for ten years. There's nothing wrong 210 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 3: with that. And so the way you have to understand, 211 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 3: like when it comes to drafting, when people talk about 212 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: first round and second round, that borderline first round second 213 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 3: round player is a. 214 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: Guy that you're viewing as a solid starter. 215 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: He's gonna come in, he's gonna be a solid starter 216 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: for your team for the next five or so years. 217 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: That's how you project him. So that's where you're at. 218 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: And so when you win, like the Giants were able 219 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 3: to win last year and go into the playoffs, that's 220 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: how you kind of have to pick. So if they 221 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 3: continue to accumulate a bunch of solid starters, the team 222 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: would be fine. But that's what you're looking at at 223 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: the bottom of first round. 224 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: There seems to be some disagreement in the draft community. 225 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: Is Schmid's the top center? Is it? Tipman? I gotta 226 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: be honest. I watched Steve Avola's center tape from twenty 227 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: twenty one late last week, and I thought it was 228 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: really really good to be quite honest with. You've got 229 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: position flex. Where do you stand on the top of 230 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: the center class? Who do you like the best? 231 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because there's so many good guys, 232 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: Like it's really like, it's really remarkable to see, like 233 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 3: how the position is this year. You talked about Smith's, 234 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 3: you talk about Tipman, you can talk about Whiffler from 235 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 3: Ohio State, Like there are a lot of guys that 236 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: can play, and then you talk about Avala from TCU 237 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: being able to kind of bounce around and play. Most 238 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: of the guys that play center, you also expect them 239 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: to play guard because being a swing player's kind of 240 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 3: part of the deal when you play on the interior. 241 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: I think the big thing is, like people have talked 242 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 3: about Tipman from Wisconsin being there. I can see him 243 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: there because he's gonna be well well coach coming from Wisconsin. 244 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 3: The reputation for producing producing the offensive lineman look speaks 245 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 3: for itself. Uh, he's tough, he's physical, he has a 246 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: great IQ. Yeah, he's a good player. But there's some 247 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 3: other good players at the position. So I don't know 248 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 3: if the Giants can go wrong taking a solid position 249 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 3: player as center at the bottom of the first round. 250 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 1: A lot of people want to give the Giants a 251 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: wide receiver buck and I think maybe there's you know, 252 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's a quote unquote number one wide 253 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: receiver in this draft class, however you want to label him. 254 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: But the Giants have a bunch of slot guys already, right, 255 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: They drafted Wandoll Rominson last year coming off the injury. 256 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: Still Paris Campbell, slot guy, Jamison Crowd or slot guy 257 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: going on Sterling Shepherd slock guy. If you're looking for 258 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: an outside receiver, and I'm gonna take Quentin Johnson out 259 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: of it, because I think that's kind of the easy one, right, 260 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: which one of these smaller, lighter guys do you think 261 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: can have success outside of the you know, the Addisons, 262 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: the Flowers, the Downs, the Mims, you know kind of 263 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: guys in that category. Which one of those guys do 264 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: you think you can put outside even if maybe their 265 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: physical traits don't scream that. 266 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 2: It'll be tough, because we're talking about in the first round. 267 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: So the guys you're talking about are like a Jalen 268 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 3: Hyatt right from Tennessee. But he's only one hundred and 269 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 3: seventy five pounds, but the speed is real, unbelievable speed 270 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 3: and quickness. We saw him tear up some top defenses 271 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 3: in the SEC. You go all the way back to 272 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: his high school career, he scored fifty plus touchdowns and 273 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 3: did all kinds of things with the ball in his hands, 274 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: and so he's a legitimate one. 275 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: But he's one hundred and seventy five pounds. 276 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 3: And I'll say this, playing in New York in that 277 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 3: weather with the win hard for smaller guys. 278 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: To have success. 279 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: I just believe it's harder for smaller guys to have 280 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 3: success just because when it gets cold and you get 281 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 3: banged around and you got to body catch it, you 282 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 3: gotta have something to it. So I'm more of the 283 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 3: big body type. And if you go back you look 284 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 3: throughout the years, typically most of the giants success of 285 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 3: late has been with the bigger receivers more so than 286 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 3: the smaller guys, even though like Odell's more average sight. 287 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: But like most time you think about the big receivers. 288 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: When you head classic Nicks. 289 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, big physical guys that can do it because it 290 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: slows down and sometimes speed guys in cold weather then 291 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 3: as fast put all the layers on you, not as 292 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: fast as you were in your track shorts. 293 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: That's interesting. What what traits do you look for for 294 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: God to be able to win outside consistently? 295 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 3: So it's different so we talked about the category. So 296 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: you talk about a number one receiver, and it's easy 297 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 3: to break it down like that. A number one receiver 298 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 3: typically is not your fastest guy. He's your guy who 299 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: has great stop start quickness. He has the ability to 300 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: sit down and separate. He can run all the routes, 301 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 3: he can get open. He's more the chain mover than 302 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 3: the explosive, big play guy. He has enough speed to 303 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 3: get over the top. But you're looking for guys who 304 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 3: can win versus press. But they have a superpower about them, 305 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 3: whether that's their physicality and strength, whether that's there a 306 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 3: sudden acceleration, they have something that enables them to get 307 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 3: assistantly win against all all comers. 308 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: Don't I would say, just think DeAndre Hopkins, Devonte Adams, right, 309 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: like those type of guys. 310 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: Right, Yes, not fast, but they find a way to 311 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: do it. Even go back, like let's think about it, 312 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 3: like when Victor Cruz and OBJ were there, Like you 313 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like before Vic's injuries, Vic had 314 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 3: all that wiggles and stuff to create separation and get open. 315 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: OBJ had flashed, but he. 316 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 3: Also could run routes and do those things or whatever, 317 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 3: and so a lot of that is you're looking for 318 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 3: the guy who can do that as the as the 319 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 3: wide receiver room is presently constructed, you need someone I. 320 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: Would say that's bigger. I would skew towards Hey. 321 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 3: Maybe we don't get it in the first round, but 322 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 3: maybe we look in the second and third round and 323 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: see if we can find the big guy who might 324 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: be a little slower, but he can do some of 325 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 3: the dirty work over the middle of the field. He 326 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 3: can expand the strike zone for Daniel Jones and do 327 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 3: some of that stuff. So wouldn't cast my eyes necessarily 328 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 3: on a wide receiver early. Maybe we focus on day two. 329 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: That's when the puductive, chain moving wide receiver comes and 330 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: does a lot of the dirty work that is really 331 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 3: needed for your team to win at the high level. 332 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: Bucky Ivin to agree with you, I'm gonna throw a 333 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: couple of those types of guys' names out to you. 334 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: Let me know which ones you like and why. I 335 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: think Jonathan Mingo has some of those traits you're talking 336 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: about right at. Perry is one of those guys, and 337 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: I think said you're Tillman. Those are kind of the 338 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: three guys that I think kind of fit that category 339 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: on day two, Your thoughts on those three. 340 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 3: No, Like it's funny because all of them have the 341 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: common and nominated. They all are physical, They all do 342 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: a good job of winning fifty to fifty balls. 343 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: They have a ruggedness to their game that you have 344 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: to have. 345 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 3: Tillman is one that certainly stands out because he's had 346 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: big games against good competition and back in the day, 347 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 3: Tennessee used to be known as wide receiver. You that 348 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 3: Moniker has since been stolen by a few different teams, 349 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 3: but he's well schooled and he's the one that is 350 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 3: really really crafty and once you get past like injury 351 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: history that they kind of slowed him down this season, 352 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 3: he's productive man. 353 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: Same thing with Mingo, Like very. 354 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: Productive players that are very very comfortable in that complimentary 355 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: That to me is what the Giants need. 356 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: The one thing I would say. 357 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 3: That Dave Ball did the by committee to share the wealth, 358 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 3: to share the ball. 359 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: Thing kind of works. 360 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: It kind of fits the identity when the Giants have 361 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 3: been at their best throughout history. 362 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: It's never been a one mini show on the rememory. 363 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: It's traditionally been a very balanced, diverse set of contributors 364 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: making plays, and so I think that's kind of like 365 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 3: the recipe in the formula that works there. 366 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I'm intrigued a little bit by 367 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: these back of the first round edge players that could 368 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: be their buck because I think given the depth of 369 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: the class, that's where you might get the best player 370 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: and the best value. Even though the Giants already have 371 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: Ojelari and Thibadau and that's fine. You know, guys like 372 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: he'sus brother, bj Ojelari, Guys like Will McDonald. You know, 373 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: I think those are probably the better three four fit 374 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: that Wink plays than those kind of bigger key on 375 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: white types. Who what do you think fits and wing 376 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: system that could be available there at the end of 377 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: the first round. 378 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 2: No, I think you touched on it. 379 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 3: Jelari will certainly be there, like he probably is more 380 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 3: of a second round player. It's funny because we'll just 381 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 3: talk about them and not necessarily worry about whether the 382 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: Giants are picking. 383 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: Will McDonald is. 384 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: Another guy that can kind of play there, play off 385 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 3: the edge, make things happen. I want to tear his 386 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 3: name up. We just call him Fau from k State. 387 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: People can look it up. 388 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 2: Felix and a DK. 389 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a guy who can certainly give you some 390 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 3: of that that past rushing presence off stage. It is 391 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 3: so funny and so critical now because everyone is playing 392 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 3: some version of the three four you used to have 393 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: kind of like the market cornered on those light, undersize 394 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 3: speed rushing guys. It's a little different now, but yeah, 395 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 3: I think you need You can never have enough of that. 396 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: Un Let's be honest. When you're building your team, you're 397 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 2: building it to win a division. 398 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: You look at the success that the Philadelphia Eagles had 399 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 3: with but eight, nine, ten guys rotating on the front line. 400 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 3: If you're the Giants, you want to have that because 401 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 3: you also want to throw bodies upon bodies at Jalen 402 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 3: Hurts and. 403 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: Those quarterbacks because that's the most important thing. 404 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 3: You can knock the quarterback down with fresh pass versus 405 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 3: eventually good things happen. 406 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: Who are some of the day too or even Day 407 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: three guys, Bucky that you think you might be a 408 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: little bit higher on that other people that you would 409 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: if you were still having your scouting hat on, patting 410 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: the table on in the draft room. 411 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 2: Four any position or we have. 412 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: To go anywhere. You want just guys that you love. 413 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 3: So it's funny because you're talking about like corners and 414 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: those things. So there's a corner from Utah named Clark 415 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,959 Speaker 3: Phillips who is really intriguing because he's a guy who 416 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 3: has six interception six interceptions, plays really hard. It's really 417 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 3: good job on the outside or inside. To me, he's 418 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: kind of like that combo nickel outside corner that can play. 419 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 3: He's really really intriguing. I would say its safety. Sidney 420 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 3: Brown from Illinois is intriguing. I know you lose Julian 421 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: Love and so you're looking for that versatile playmaker that 422 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 3: can come and fill multiple roles. Yeah, Sidney Brown comes down. 423 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: I can play in the box and do a bunch 424 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,719 Speaker 2: of different things. Those guys in that's reading me. And 425 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: I know the giants feel good about their tight end situation. 426 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 3: But when I think about like Daniel Jones and how 427 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 3: you can continue to help them more tight ends, more bodies. 428 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 3: Tucker Craft from South Dakota State is one. Sam Laporter 429 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 3: from Iowa Lovelaporter, the tight end class is outstanding. I 430 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 3: will get a tight. 431 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: End absolutely right. Final question, Buck, and you can hear 432 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: all this great insight on the Path to the Draft 433 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,479 Speaker 1: the NFL Network. NFL Network covers of the draft that 434 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: Thursday through Saturday as well. You and DJ talk Daniel 435 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: Jermia talk a lot about team building on the Move 436 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: the Sticks podcast, which is required listening for anybody that 437 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: loves this stuff. I always get fans that right in 438 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: or they call on our call and show here on 439 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: giants dot Com and they say, first round, I want 440 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: to wide receiver, second round, want offensive linemen, et cetera, 441 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: et cetera. I always say, guys, look, you don't pick 442 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: positions to pick players right, and you don't always have 443 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: You're not drafting for this year. Can you just talk about, 444 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, the strategy behind drafting for the future, looking 445 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: at your contracts on your roster years in advance to 446 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: anticipate holes to film. I think the Eagles, you mentioned them, 447 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: they do a great job of that right in Nikobe, 448 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: Dean Cam Jorgens, They're going to slide into play now. 449 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: Just kind of talk about from a team building's perspective, 450 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: how you can use the draft in different ways rather 451 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: than just oh, we need a center, let's go draft 452 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: one of those. 453 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: I think it's really important to understand where you are 454 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 2: as a team. 455 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 3: And I will say this because they're not My philosophy 456 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 3: is I would say, like being around Ron Wolf up 457 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 3: in Green Bay, first as a player and then working 458 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 3: under a bunch of his disciples or guys that he'd mentored. 459 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 2: He always talked about you can never go wrong taking 460 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: good players. 461 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 3: And so if you just keep it as simple as like, 462 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 3: let's just take good players, good football players, guys that 463 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 3: are really good, that were really good in college. 464 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 2: He was one that was more guys. 465 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 3: From big schools because you've seen him do it on 466 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 3: the biggest and brightest stages. 467 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 2: You can't go wrong there. 468 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: And so if you think about the draft as how 469 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 3: can I make my team better, sometimes it means building 470 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 3: strength on strength. I would rather have a great player 471 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 3: at a position where we're already loaded than reach for 472 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 3: a player the position of need, because what happens is 473 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 3: two years later you're gonna need to go. 474 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 2: Back and get that same position. 475 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 3: And so as you're looking at the total of the draft, 476 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 3: it's not just the first round, because we spend so 477 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 3: much time talking about mock drafts in the first round. 478 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 3: But if we walk away with these combination of players 479 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 3: at the end of day two, we feel great about 480 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 3: our team, and so sometimes is looking at supply and demand. Okay, 481 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 3: well there are a ton of say there are a 482 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 3: ton of wide receivers, but now on a hand for 483 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 3: the offensive tackles. Let's get the offensive tackle first because 484 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 3: we're gonna take the best of the bunch. Then we 485 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 3: can come back and get the wide receiver. And so 486 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 3: everything works together. It's not only the draft, but it's 487 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: free agency in terms of NFL free agency. 488 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 2: When you assess where your. 489 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 3: Team is strong or weak, Okay, which one provides us 490 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: with the vehicle to be able to attack the areas 491 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 3: of need. 492 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: You use both of those vehicles to be able to 493 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: do it. 494 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: And then you're always hunting to add pieces to the 495 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 3: puzzle throughout the year. 496 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: You know, book just to fall very quickly. You mentioned 497 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: before round two you want to get an average the 498 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: guy that will plug him be a good average starter. 499 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: Right when you get to day three and you're worried 500 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: about backups, right, maybe you guys are the potential that 501 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: can move up special teams. Guys at that point you 502 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: completely crump up and throw away need and you're like, look, 503 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: I think this guy can become something we're gonna pick 504 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: them and if he's good enough, he'll figure out way 505 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: to get him on the field. What's kind of your 506 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: day three strategy when you put your board together? Is 507 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: it more need? Is it traits? What are you keying 508 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: in on day three when you're not going to have 509 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: a plug and play starter available in a round four 510 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: through seven? 511 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: Yeah? No, it's funny. 512 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 3: Having worked with Joe Shange for a bunch of years, 513 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 3: like he probably would say the same thing. So, look, 514 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 3: everyone talks about the draft. Day one, man, you gotta 515 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 3: get you have to get started. Day two should be 516 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 3: developmental starts. They should be starting by year two. The 517 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 3: third round is very similar. 518 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: They should be developing in the starters by the middle 519 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 2: of year two. 520 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 3: When you get to the fourth round or lower day three, 521 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 3: those guys are developmental guys. 522 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 2: And so what you're looking for are redeeming qualities. You're 523 00:21:59,160 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: looking for. 524 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 3: Height, weight, speed, You're looking for production. You may be 525 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 3: looking at guys who are super productive with all the trades, 526 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 3: but then there's a medical history. They may be super 527 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 3: productive and really good players, but there may be a 528 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 3: character issue that forces you to dem them a little bit. 529 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 2: At the end of the day. 530 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 3: On Day three, man, you're looking for those guys who 531 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 3: check off the boxes in a couple of different areas, 532 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 3: and you're hoping that those redeeming qualities will give them 533 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 3: a chance to. 534 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: Be successful in the league. 535 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 3: And so you've kind of hit the nail on the 536 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 3: head when it comes to it on day three, Man. 537 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 3: You may throw a couple of darts up there based 538 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 3: on traits and those things, but no one is counting 539 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 3: on the fifth round guide to come in. 540 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: And fill an immediate need. If it happens, that's gravy. 541 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 3: That's kind of a bonus, But no one is counting 542 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 3: on the sixth or the seventh round. Guy, A, he's 543 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 3: gonna come in, He's going to be our starting whatever. 544 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 3: If he develops to that, Like, that's a bonus pick. 545 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 3: But you have to nail the first three rounds. Anything 546 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: that you get beyond that that is on scouting and 547 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 3: development and the players on desire to be a good player. 548 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, Bucky, I know you've no control over this. Do 549 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: me a favorit. Can you keep Jon Robinson away from 550 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: the Eagles? Last year they went for two point fifty 551 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: on the ground against the Giants twice with Miles Sanders 552 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurts, that offensive one. You go to John 553 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: Robinson with that group. My gosh, I don't know how 554 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: you stopped that offense. And I know Howie Roseman doesn't 555 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: pick running backs. I get all that, but I get 556 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: just as an opponent of that team that has to 557 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: watch them twice a year and then play against them. 558 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: Oh man, that is scary to think about. 559 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 3: Just say that is that is super scary to think 560 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 3: about it. I wouldn't I wouldn't wish that upon you. 561 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 3: I don't think they'll do it, but yeah, it is. 562 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: It is fascinating to watch. It was a video game. Yeah, 563 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 3: if you put b Jon Robinson on that team doing 564 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 3: the stuff that they do, it certainly be problematic. 565 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: Bucky, good stuff. Man, It's always like watching on TV. 566 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: We're in the you know, end stretch here. Enjoy it, 567 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: We enjoy your work. We'll talk to you soon, all. 568 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 2: Right, Bud hey Man, thank you appreciate it. 569 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: If you Brooks Johnson a podcast, We'll see everybody next time.