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Speaker 1: I'm David's ear. Thank you for joining the Rap family. Today.

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Speaker 1: I've got a super show for you today with Michael Pack,

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Speaker 1: the director of the Last six hundred Meters, The Battles

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Speaker 1: of Najaffa and Fallujah. It's just extraordinary. Buy it on

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Speaker 1: Amazon today. It's about Najaffa and Fallujah. Back in four right,

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Speaker 1: we were taking a beating. The Marines were getting killed,

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Speaker 1: five hundred and forty injured, like seventy I think killed

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Speaker 1: justin Fallujah alone. But we took it back right and

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Speaker 1: because of the political environment in Iraq, the Marines was

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Speaker 1: stopped and they wanted to keep going because they could

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Speaker 1: have made a big dent in the insurgency. But then

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Speaker 1: they were allowed to go in and they did wind

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Speaker 1: up taking back these cities and getting rid of you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the al Qaeda elements and foreign fighters that

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Speaker 1: Feda yen in the island bas province uh with the

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Speaker 1: Sunnis and where al Qaida was killing the tribal leaders

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Speaker 1: and they were like forcing people to fight, and and

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Speaker 1: then in the south with the Shia with Mitana al Sada,

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Speaker 1: who are killing Americans and killing innocent people on the ground,

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Speaker 1: and the Marines took that back along with other branches

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Speaker 1: in Najaff as well. It's a fascinating movie. You've got

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Speaker 1: to watch it. Uh, it was. The footage is incredible.

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Speaker 1: The camaraderie with our troops, you know, the last six

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Speaker 1: hundred meters was the difference. Uh, you know, you're safe

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Speaker 1: on the ground, uh, with American military might in the

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Speaker 1: on the ocean, in the air, and when you have

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Speaker 1: massive forces. But these Marines were in close court of

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Speaker 1: combat with bayonets and rifles against an insurgency and they

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Speaker 1: had to fight door to door and take back these cities.

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Speaker 1: And it's a really gripping moving story and to theism

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Speaker 1: of these guys regardless of the politics of the war,

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Speaker 1: and Paul Bremer and General Abozade and the US you know,

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Speaker 1: afraid to go and attack the mosque. Meanwhile they were

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Speaker 1: housing weapons and all kinds of fighters under Mctada al

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Speaker 1: Sada and the Joff and the she Heites. So but

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Speaker 1: the Marines prevailed there, the US forces prevailed there, and

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Speaker 1: it was just an incredible movie. You got to go

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Speaker 1: get it today. The last six hundred meters, the Battle

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Speaker 1: of Najaffa and Fallujah. Michael Pack will be with us,

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Speaker 1: the director later in the show. But I just got

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Speaker 1: back from Florida. I was down there playing in the

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Speaker 1: Warriors Choice Foundation outing and they did a really nice

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Speaker 1: job at the Trump Jupiter Golf Club, and they had

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Speaker 1: people there like Tito Ortiz and Elena Russeferf. You know Magalangelo.

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Speaker 1: Her painting is hanging in the White House of Trump.

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Speaker 1: Trump uses it as his seal on the truth social posts.

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Speaker 1: And she's a very talented artist who emigrated out of

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Speaker 1: brilliant artist. And I played with veterans from Afghanistan and Iraq.

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Speaker 1: One guy who was head of the Haho and the

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Speaker 1: their targets. And I played with this other guy, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: who fought in Fallujah for the US Marines. Just incredible people,

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Speaker 1: the best people, the best people. It was a day

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Speaker 1: before Veterans Day. Rudy Giuliani was there. He was just

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Speaker 1: pardoned by Trump. Phenomenal day. But what's going on the

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Speaker 1: ground in Florida. What's going on is that Florida construction

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Speaker 1: is booming in Southeast Florida. I mean, you've got like

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty miles of coastline in Southeast Florida

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Speaker 1: down to Miami and South. They're knocking down one hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty million dollar homes to build one hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighty million dollar homes in their place. It's just amazing.

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Speaker 1: But Marilago's only worth twenty million dollars, right, It's so ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: It roth like a billion, a billion five made, you know,

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Speaker 1: because every house that's going up down there on Palm

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Speaker 1: Beach Aisle is just massive. The money people getting out

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Speaker 1: of New York they call it the Mom Donnie migration.

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Speaker 1: The phones are ringing from New York real estate brokers.

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Speaker 1: People who want to leave. Small businesses are leaving. Restaurants

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Speaker 1: are already saying they're not going to expand in New

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Speaker 1: York City. Now, Florida is expensive, but there's no income tax.

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Speaker 1: It's a homestead state. You can't take your house and

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Speaker 1: a bankruptcy. I believe it stands your ground. You can

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Speaker 1: but it's expensive. I've had three people recently come to

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Speaker 1: of the locals are flocking to the markets in Southeast

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Speaker 1: New Yorkers are going to be scooping up the real

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Speaker 1: estate that they aspire to have or put themselves in

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Speaker 1: a position to sell their homes. There's condo and mansions

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Speaker 1: and New York leads the country in net migration, you know,

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Speaker 1: leaving about one percent of populations. Started on Andrew Cuomo.

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Speaker 1: Memdani and as Michael Goodwin from The New York Post

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Speaker 1: But New York nationwide home ownership averages are at forty

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Speaker 1: for first time buyers. It used to be twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: And it's not good. I was twenty three with three kids.

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Speaker 1: I was twenty seven when I bought my first home.

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Speaker 1: Those days are over, and rates cross their housing have doubled.

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Speaker 1: Justins twenty twenty one, rates were at six and seven percent.

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Speaker 1: There's still almost at six. They are going to come

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Speaker 1: four and five years ago. And salaries haven't gone as

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Speaker 1: nine years old this year. You know, now we've got

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Speaker 1: these fifty year mortgages being proposed. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: I feel about it. I'm a commercial real estate broger

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Speaker 1: for forty years. I guess it's a chance for people

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Speaker 1: to get in a home. Theaverage person only lives in

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Speaker 1: a home for like fifteen years or so, so they

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Speaker 1: can sell it, but they're going to pay more an interest,

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Speaker 1: and that's a problem too. But if the government didn't

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Speaker 1: So there's so much going on here. And you know,

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Speaker 1: salaries haven't gone up as much as housing costs, but

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Speaker 1: you make about half of what you did coming out

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Speaker 1: So there's a six percent unemployment rate for college grads,

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Speaker 1: you know, and they're having a hard time. They're not

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Speaker 1: Trump economy, once it takes off, will have deep implications

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Speaker 1: for people trying to buy homes. You know, if mortgages

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Speaker 1: It's still expensive though, it's still expensive, and construction costs

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Speaker 1: I'm in the construction business too, and we're getting hammered.

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Speaker 1: I think Powell and the Feds are stifling Trump just

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Speaker 1: next year. I really believe that in the bottom of

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Speaker 1: economy to rebound. Knowing that they did not lower rates,

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Speaker 1: down in May and June of next year. Right, election

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Speaker 1: going to talk to brecon Fees, he's a correspondent for

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Speaker 1: want to welcome back to show Breck and thee's How

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I enjoyed talking with you last time on the show.

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Speaker 1: And Antifa, right, we have these Berkeley TPUSA riot basically,

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Speaker 1: Who was funding it? And are people worried? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: At this point. Yeah, finally that there's some accountability.

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Speaker 1: It's not so easy, No, it.

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Speaker 6: The problem comes where it does turn violent, and it

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Speaker 5: I think it will keep creeping along.

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Speaker 1: In about thirty seconds, can you sum up what happened

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Speaker 5: But that's that's what's happening there.

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Speaker 6: It's not you know, the Democrat like, it's just Somalians

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Speaker 6: voting for people based off of these you know, these

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Speaker 6: these blood feuds.

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Speaker 1: Berecon, I really appreciate your insight. I'd like to talk

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Speaker 1: with you about that more in the future. All right, everyone, Breconfiez.

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Speaker 1: He's the White House correspondent for the Federalists, always informative.

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Speaker 1: I want to have you back to talk about all

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Speaker 1: this stuff, so thank you again.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: All Right, everybody got a great guest ahead, but we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about H one BVS. Hey, welcome back. You're watching

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Speaker 1: Breaking Point on Real America's Voice News. So grateful you

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Speaker 1: joined us today to watch the show. Hot topics out there,

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Speaker 1: one of them is the H one B visas and

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Speaker 1: here to discuss the pros and cons. Jeremiah Poff, the

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Speaker 1: editor of Restoring America at the Washington Examiner.

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Speaker 4: How are you doing, Hey, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great to have you here. And you know

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Speaker 1: you're a young guy, right. You talk to a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys and guys out there who have graduated college

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Speaker 1: with a six percent unemployment rate out there across the country.

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Speaker 1: Are they getting hurt by the H one B visa

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Speaker 1: program or are they taking the wrong types of you know,

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Speaker 1: getting the wrong types of degrees.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think there's two different aspects to this. One

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Speaker 7: is you definitely have people out there who are graduating

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Speaker 7: college and having trouble finding jobs, especially in tech that

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Speaker 7: they otherwise would be able to find if it weren't

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Speaker 7: for the fact that the you know, major tech companies

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Speaker 7: are using H one B visas to effectively have an

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Speaker 7: indentured servant servant workforce. They bring in a lot of these,

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Speaker 7: you know, immigrants from primarily from India, and they pay

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Speaker 7: them below poverty wages, way more than, way less than

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Speaker 7: what an American worker would work for, and that worker

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Speaker 7: then effectively becomes, you know, in a certain sense, enslaved

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Speaker 7: to the corporation.

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Speaker 4: By by the.

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Speaker 7: Visa because as soon as the visas linked to the job.

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Speaker 7: So that's one part of it. But you also have

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Speaker 7: people the system has been used not just to block

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Speaker 7: out would be employees who are recent college graduates. It's

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Speaker 7: actually also been used from other from companies that have

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Speaker 7: fired their own their native born workforce and then and

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Speaker 7: then filled those positions with H one b's as well.

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Speaker 7: So you actually have two issues here, not just for

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Speaker 7: college grads and young people, but also for the entire

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Speaker 7: American workforce at large.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you were saying, and I know you've done

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Speaker 1: extensive research on this, that the colleges benefit too. What

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Speaker 1: kind of games did they play with it?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so you actually there are two sets of H

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Speaker 7: one B visas. One is a lottery that is that

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Speaker 7: the companies apply for and they use that to get

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Speaker 7: there the workers that they want through the program. The

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Speaker 7: other way that you can get them, and this is

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Speaker 7: is by colleges and universities that effectively sponsor the H

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Speaker 7: one B applicants. That's why you say that there's I

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Speaker 7: think there's about eighty thousand visas that go into the lottery,

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Speaker 7: but there's another forty thousand or so that are given

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Speaker 7: out through this system to to colleges and universities to

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Speaker 7: hire immigrants and recent a lot of some of them

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Speaker 7: go to recent grads from the university themselves that are

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Speaker 7: from abroad. But again in another situation where a lot

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Speaker 7: of these jobs you know, in theory could probably be

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Speaker 7: filled by American workers, but the salary requirements just aren't

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Speaker 7: aren't aren't there, And these entities, whether it's a college

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Speaker 7: or a company, view it as a way to cut costs.

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Speaker 1: Basically, so companies like Amazon, the single largest H one

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Speaker 1: B sponsors, hired like ten thousand and twenty four and

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Speaker 1: ten thousand again in twenty twenty five, Microsoft, Apple, Meta

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Speaker 1: JP Morgan Chase hired a few thousand, you know, So

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Speaker 1: my question in Cisco right Cisco Systems, Kevin O'Leary right

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Speaker 1: has spoken out against the fee one hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: fee right to come here that Trump's proposing, saying that

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Speaker 1: we're going to pass up on skilled foreign workers who

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Speaker 1: have the necessary you know, background in certain sectors, and

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Speaker 1: China's going to scoop them up and they're going to

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Speaker 1: and startups in America won't be able to hire enough talent.

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Speaker 1: What do you say to those critics?

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Speaker 7: I think one of the things that he misses is

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Speaker 7: that the program is not really being used as a

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Speaker 7: what is not really casting a wide net for these

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Speaker 7: workers in the first place. So the clearest evidence of

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Speaker 7: this is that the single largest beneficiary of h mbvsas

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Speaker 7: is India, followed by China. So you're talking about two

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Speaker 7: countries that, you know, even though they're the two most

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Speaker 7: populous countries on Earth, they are disproportionately represented in the

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Speaker 7: HMB pool. And so really you're what you're doing is

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Speaker 7: a Again, the companies are looking for employees that they

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Speaker 7: can pay less do the same work that in many

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Speaker 7: cases an American could do. And so they they're not

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Speaker 7: really looking for the breast and the brightest, they're looking

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Speaker 7: for who's going to work at the lowest wage. And

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Speaker 7: one of the ways that Trump has tried to address this,

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Speaker 7: and I think this is why. I think part of

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Speaker 7: the reason why this is a good idea is the

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Speaker 7: one hundred thousand dollars fee kind of forces the companies

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Speaker 7: to put them their money where their mouth is if

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Speaker 7: they really want these employees to come work for them jobs,

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Speaker 7: right exactly, So if you're really trying to attract the

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Speaker 7: best and the brightest, you better pay them as if

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Speaker 7: they're the best in the brightest too. And you I

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Speaker 7: mean in Nvidia, I think said that they would pay

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Speaker 7: the one hundred thousand dollars fee, and they didn't, and

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Speaker 7: they kind of left it at that, whereas a lot

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Speaker 7: of other companies, as you mentioned, have been kind of,

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Speaker 7: you know, wringing their hands about it. And I think

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Speaker 7: that goes to show the difference in mentality there is

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Speaker 7: like we need these people from abroad because they actually

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Speaker 7: have the skills, versus we're just trying to shoehorn people

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Speaker 7: into our workforce that we can pay at a very

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Speaker 7: very low wave and make and increase our profit margins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. One of my very good friends works for Amazon

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Speaker 1: and everybody's foreign, you know, and it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: they probably you know, so they have a million people

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Speaker 1: in the workforce and fairness though, and the H one

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Speaker 1: b's hires for this year, I think we're about ten thousand,

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Speaker 1: but they're getting rid of jobs that people dependent on,

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Speaker 1: right and raising families.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think you know, when you're talking about it,

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Speaker 7: you're also talking about a time when AI disruption is

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Speaker 7: creating another whole challenge in the workforce for native workers,

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Speaker 7: and that includes tech workers. I mean, there are plenty

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Speaker 7: of American born tech workers that are losing their jobs

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Speaker 7: right now because of AI. I mean, I'm sure they

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Speaker 7: would be happy to take some of those same jobs

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Speaker 7: that are going to that are right now going to

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Speaker 7: H one bbs the holders.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's always been shifting and the outsourcing of

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Speaker 1: you know, even just customer service jobs. Every time you

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Speaker 1: pick up the phone, you're talking to somebody in South Asia,

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Speaker 1: you know. But you know, companies like IBM and other

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Speaker 1: you know, all these guys lost their jobs and they

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Speaker 1: went down and like Cisco absorbed them and other tech companies,

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Speaker 1: and you know, maybe Intel and Cisco and other things

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Speaker 1: like that, But can you think of any particular industries

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Speaker 1: where H one visas H one B visas benefit the

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Speaker 1: American economy?

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Speaker 4: Again, I think that the program itself is designed to

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Speaker 4: displaced American workers, and I think you can't really have

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Speaker 4: a conversation about bringing in foreign talent until you fundamentally

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Speaker 4: reform the system and make it more like a heavily

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Speaker 4: merit based system rather than a lottery.

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Speaker 1: Can you see a phase in as a solution to

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Speaker 1: maybe lower the numbers from sixty five thousand to a

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Speaker 1: bachelor degrees twenty thousand who have higher degrees, and then

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Speaker 1: you're saying another forty thousand, is it something we can

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Speaker 1: phase out and then focus more on our kids to

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Speaker 1: get better degrees.

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Speaker 7: I think the first thing that you can really do

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Speaker 7: is just make sure that the that the get rid

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Speaker 7: of the lottery entirely and start handing them out to

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Speaker 7: whoever pays the most you hand out. You start handing

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Speaker 7: out the visas in descending orders, starting with the highest salary,

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Speaker 7: because that's part of the application that has to go through,

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Speaker 7: and you also have to weed out a whole bunch

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Speaker 7: of fraud that goes into the system too, because a

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Speaker 7: lot of these companies, because they're looking to fill positions

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Speaker 7: with h onebs, will actually use will submit different app

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Speaker 7: entries for the same position, which is again really trying

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Speaker 7: to game the system.

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Speaker 4: And so I think, you know, as.

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Speaker 7: A very very bare minimum, I think the one hundred

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Speaker 7: thousand dollars fee is a good step. I think switching

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Speaker 7: it from a lottery to a a pay based allocation

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Speaker 7: would be another good step. And then you can start

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Speaker 7: you might see how the companies react because if they

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Speaker 7: really need these jobs, these people for these positions, then

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Speaker 7: they'll still be applying for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: But if not, they you know, they'll start looking domestically

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Speaker 7: for domestic talent.

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Speaker 1: We have about a minute left. Tell us about what

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Speaker 1: about You know, Bannon was railing against lut Nick because

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Speaker 1: they were claiming that this is going to close the

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Speaker 1: deficit raising all this money, which means how many people

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Speaker 1: are you going to let in? What do you say

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Speaker 1: to critics of the one hundred thousand dollars fee.

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Speaker 7: I think they need to think about what really this

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Speaker 7: program is for and if they're if these workers are

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Speaker 7: really worth it, you should have no problem paying for

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Speaker 7: that fee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, well listen, I really appreciate your knowledge on

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Speaker 1: this and i'd love to have you back. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: this issue is not going away anytime soon, Jeremiah, so

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Speaker 1: thank you.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: All Right, everybody, Jeremiah Poff, the editor of Restoring America

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Speaker 1: at the Washington Examiner. It is a really complicated issue here,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we want to put American jobs first,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's what's important here. Kids are coming

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Speaker 1: out of college and can't find work. And I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people feel that AI. And my son's

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Speaker 1: in AI related business and he thinks that like half

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Speaker 1: of three quarters at the entry level jobs a gold

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Speaker 1: to go away. So you know, that could be a

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Speaker 1: bigger problem going forward. And if companies are looking to

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Speaker 1: say kind of cheat the system and hire people for

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Speaker 1: long periods of time at reduced rates over an American citizen,

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Speaker 1: I think we've got to reconsider this. We'll see where

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Speaker 1: on Real America's voice. Name Yeah, the Democrats knew they

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Speaker 1: have been out of control, and I believe that was

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Speaker 1: a big reason why the Democrats caved here. But I

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Speaker 1: got to tell you I was in Florida this week.

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Speaker 1: I played at Trump National Club in Jupiter with veterans

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Speaker 1: from the Warriors Choice Foundation Special Ops guys. I played

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Speaker 1: with a gentleman, Brandon Fort and Fallujah and listen, Najaff

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Speaker 1: and Fallujah were hotbeds. We took a lot of losses

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Speaker 1: the Marines, other services, but we were eventually victorious. And

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Speaker 1: there is this incredible movie, The Last six hundred meter

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Speaker 1: is The Battles of the Jaff and Fellujah out on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: I have the director with us, Michael Pack, but I

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Speaker 1: want to play you this trailer. Check this out. It

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Speaker 1: was almost as though there was a boogeyman out there.

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Speaker 6: We were facing a lot more enemy than we had

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Speaker 6: the capability to deal with it.

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Speaker 1: Dug trenches, they fortified houses, They were ready. We wanted

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Speaker 1: to go. We were just waiting on the edge of

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Speaker 1: a knife. When are we going to get to go?

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Speaker 1: The order is seize the city.

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Speaker 9: RPGs, small arms fire from everywhere.

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Speaker 8: Come.

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Speaker 1: I told him that I wanted to go, and he

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Speaker 1: looked at me and said, so, you're going to die.

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Speaker 1: The destruction is just horrible.

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Speaker 9: The hardest thing about fighting this enemy is they're not

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Speaker 9: afraid to die. They're not afraid to die.

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Speaker 8: How do you fight them? Wrapped?

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Speaker 6: No down, Be prepared to start at one end of

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Speaker 6: the city and fight your way through to the other end.

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Speaker 8: There's firing going on, there are grenades being thrown in

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Speaker 8: the house.

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Speaker 1: Became hand to hand fighting. It was so close. Two

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Speaker 1: selfless marines run across this kill zone four times to

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Speaker 1: pull marines out of there. I wasn't worried about, you know,

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Speaker 1: getting shot or getting wounded. I was worried about the

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Speaker 1: guys to my left and right.

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Speaker 8: You always want to reassure these men that they've done

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Speaker 8: their duty, because that memory is seared into their soul.

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Speaker 4: They never forget it.

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Speaker 8: None of us do.

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Speaker 1: Foreign policy. I don't make it. I just delivered the

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Speaker 1: last six hundred meters of it. I'm so honored to

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Speaker 1: have with us the director of the last six hundred meters,

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Speaker 1: The Battles of Najaff and Fallujah, Michael Pack. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 8: Thank you for having me on, David. It's a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: I watched the movie. Just extraordinary, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: this footage and interviews that took place where only either

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Speaker 1: from the joffre in Fallujah or just two or three

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Speaker 1: years later back in seven right.

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Speaker 8: That's right. They were all conducted in a six as seven,

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Speaker 8: So two or three years after the battle, when the

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Speaker 8: people in that were interviewing that we're in the battle

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Speaker 8: and their memories were fresh, and they're about the same

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Speaker 8: age as the footage.

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Speaker 4: And that's how we worked it.

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Speaker 8: We we found the footage first, then we found the

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Speaker 8: soldiers and ranges that were in the footage, and they

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Speaker 8: tell their story direct to camera, looking right at the camera,

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Speaker 8: without any comment by me or any spin or any narration.

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Speaker 8: They tell their story, and we aim to tell the

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Speaker 8: story of these two battles without politics. Really the two

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Speaker 8: biggest battles of the war. As it says in the trailer,

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Speaker 8: the two biggest battles in America has fought since Vietnam.

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Speaker 8: And I think we owe it to the veterans to

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Speaker 8: understand what happened in these battles and what they did there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, it was incredible. And the pressures from

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Speaker 1: the Shiites in the south and the Sunnis in the west,

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Speaker 1: and the Island bar Province post surge when Bush added

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Speaker 1: more troops there and taking back these villages that were

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Speaker 1: under pressure from al Qaeda and all these dynamics Felusha

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Speaker 1: and Najaf was a game changer for America over there.

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Speaker 8: But tell us the story, Well, it's the first. It's

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Speaker 8: the first battle Fallujah and the job from the second

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Speaker 8: Battle of Fallusiah. The first battle Fallujah started when four

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Speaker 8: Blackwater contractors were coming through the town. They were killed, burned,

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Speaker 8: dragged through the streets of Fallujah, and two of them

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Speaker 8: were hung from a bridge. And then Iraqi insurgents and

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Speaker 8: children even celebrated and danced underneath their charred bodies. And

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Speaker 8: that was so shocking that it was determined to take

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Speaker 8: to clear the city of insurgents against the advice in

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Speaker 8: the Marine Corps.

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Speaker 4: Actually, and.

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Speaker 8: The act of clearing a city is violent one.

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Speaker 4: You have to smash indoors.

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Speaker 8: You've got to figure out who's a civilian and who's

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Speaker 8: an insurgent. And the unfavorable media Al Jazer and others

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Speaker 8: were able to spin it so that looked bad for

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Speaker 8: the Marines and they were forced to stop and then

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Speaker 8: finally negotiate with the Iraq insurgeons handed over to the

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Speaker 8: so called Fallujah Brigade, who ran it for six months

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Speaker 8: as a said of safe haven where they could store

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Speaker 8: arms and other things, and it became series of torture

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Speaker 8: chambers and beheadings occurred there and that forced the Marines

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Speaker 8: to go through a second time. And that's the second

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Speaker 8: Battle of Fallujah, And in between is the Battle of

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Speaker 8: Najaf against Shia insurgence the Mahdi Army in the south,

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Speaker 8: and it too is swept up in the complex political

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Speaker 8: and religious changes of the war.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe some missed opportunities because these battles took place

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Speaker 1: before the surge and they went in the second time.

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Speaker 1: They were kind of like their their forward movement was

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Speaker 1: cut off right and they had to go back in

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Speaker 1: and we lost a lot of troops, right, we lost

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Speaker 1: about seventy just in Fallujah alone, right, US Marines, and

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Speaker 1: you know it was a hotbed. And then you had

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Speaker 1: Zarkawi involved and tell us about a little bit about

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Speaker 1: the troops on the ground.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean says Zarkawi was the leader of the

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Speaker 8: al Qaida in Iraq, and which was this most of

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Speaker 8: the force in Fallujah and the second battle Fallujah. To

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Speaker 8: avoid the negative look of the first battle, they asked everybody,

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Speaker 8: all civilians to leave. They announced when they were coming in.

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Speaker 8: So all the civilians left, as did most of the

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Speaker 8: al Qaeda leadership and went to nearby Ramadi, including Zarkawi,

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Speaker 8: and then the fleets cleared the city house by house,

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Speaker 8: street by street. Is so little of it in the trailer,

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Speaker 8: and you know they did finally do it, but they

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Speaker 8: didn't press on. You know, the leadership was in Ramadi.

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Speaker 8: They they were not They were just not able to

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Speaker 8: press on until the surge. And it was years later

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Speaker 8: that we finally executed Zarkawi under President Trump.

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Speaker 1: I believe.

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Speaker 4: And you know it's just they you.

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Speaker 8: Know, these are very complicated wars, these counterinsurgencies and you're

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Speaker 8: the political military leadership back in Washington's constantly deal with

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Speaker 8: world opinion and you know, the hearts and minds of

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Speaker 8: the populace. And you can see the effect on the

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Speaker 8: Marines on the ground. They're frustration and not finishing the fight.

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Speaker 8: I mean, that's one thing. Yeah, that's pretty deep in

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Speaker 8: the Marine Corps. Start a fight, finish it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they expressed some of that sentiment in the

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Speaker 1: film that you know, they had a lot of forward

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Speaker 1: momentum after regaining these these victories in Najaf and Fallujah.

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Speaker 1: But you know, guys like Paul Bremer and General Abozade

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Speaker 1: were I guess sensitive to the political pressures and everything,

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Speaker 1: and once again our troops get caught in the middle

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Speaker 1: of it, right, So, but their faith never wavered and

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Speaker 1: they were there for their brothers on the ground, and

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Speaker 1: it was just it was just a spellbinding movie.

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Speaker 8: I got to say, well, thank you, and I want

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Speaker 8: people to have exactly that impression. I mean, whatever you

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Speaker 8: think of the war, I mean, it's been a long

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Speaker 8: time for us to get this film, you know on

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Speaker 8: the air. It was broadcast on PBS at prime time

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Speaker 8: right before Veterans Day and appropriate time for it and

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Speaker 8: as you say, now it's streaming on Amazon, and I

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Speaker 8: think now twenty one years after the battles, maybe people

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Speaker 8: can look back without being clouded by politics and ideology.

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Speaker 4: Whatever you think of the war.

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Speaker 8: We should sort of look at what these people did

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Speaker 8: and appreciate it. They put their lives on the line

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Speaker 8: for us, and many of them, as you just pointed out,

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Speaker 8: you know, gave the ultimate sacrifice and many, many more

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Speaker 8: were wounded. You could see some of the wounded even

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Speaker 8: in the trailer, so you know, we need to appreciate that.

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Speaker 8: Whatever you think of the war, and maybe maybe the

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Speaker 8: time is right to look back at it.

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Speaker 4: But I myself have moved even in the.

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Speaker 8: Trailer, but most so in the film was seeing, you know,

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Speaker 8: the heroic efforts of these young men, and some of

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Speaker 8: them are very young. You know, we look at it

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Speaker 8: from the corporal sergeant level up to the one star

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Speaker 8: general that's in the field only people in the battle.

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Speaker 8: But the young ones, the corporals and sergeants, they're like

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Speaker 8: in their late teens, early twenties, and they're you know,

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Speaker 8: they're asked to show a lot of heroismste to make

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Speaker 8: very complex political decisions. It's very inspiring.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just Steller and that last six hundred meters was right.

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Speaker 1: You're safe in the skies, you're safe in the in

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Speaker 1: the oceans with American military might. But on the ground

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Speaker 1: in the end, you got to take those last six

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Speaker 1: hundred meters. I can in the joff with the mosque,

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Speaker 1: right which they weren't allowed to even touch or bomb,

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Speaker 1: and troops were hiding in there against them. And one

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Speaker 1: thing that really moved me was despite all the technology

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Speaker 1: that was available to the US, it was the Marines

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Speaker 1: who took it back on the ground with guns and

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Speaker 1: bonts bayonets in close combat quarters. We have less than men.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you the last word.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, that's right. It comes down to, as one of

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Speaker 8: the marine says, where the metal meets the meat. The

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Speaker 8: last six hundred meter is what that one sniper says

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Speaker 8: he could see through his sniperscope. That's right.

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Speaker 4: At the end.

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Speaker 8: You have to trust the heroism, courage and grit of

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Speaker 8: these very very young people. There's one woman and mostly men,

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Speaker 8: mostly Marines. I mean, I think it's inspiring. I try

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Speaker 8: not to self sell the horrors of war and the

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Speaker 8: struggles and the surrealness of it, but I hope your

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Speaker 8: listeners watch it on Amazon. They can also go to

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Speaker 8: our websites matafold Productions dot com, where there's the trailer

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Speaker 8: and more information, and Palladium Pictures dot Com, our most

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Speaker 8: recent film company for even newer films and other things.

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Speaker 8: So I think, even though Veterans Day is a few

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Speaker 8: days past, any day is a good day to honor

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Speaker 8: veterans if you ask me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I played golf thee of the day in Jupiter

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Speaker 1: with the warriors, choice guys, people who fought in Fallujah.

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Speaker 1: The last six hundred meters. Thank you again. Thank you, David,

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