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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Saren Ware, you go, what do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: It is the time for the show. Yes I do.

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Speaker 4: I was dreaming about it and I wanted to tell you. Okay,

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Speaker 4: one of my interests is undergarments. Oh okay, dude, either

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Speaker 4: the closest thing to you of your clothing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Right, And I learned something new today about undergarments. And

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Speaker 4: I'm not like reading about it all the time, but like,

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Speaker 4: I try to keep a little facts and then I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 4: that's interesting. Whale bones used to be used in bras.

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Speaker 4: That's interesting, right, That's just interesting. Another bra fact while

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Speaker 4: we're on the topic, turns out that, you know, the

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Speaker 4: the clasp for the bra that hook designs like twelve

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Speaker 4: year old boys have to practice with one hand on

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Speaker 4: a Teddy bear to undo? Is that just me?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: Anyway, that clasp it was invented by who?

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Speaker 2: Who?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 6: Who was invented by Elizabeth I give you.

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Speaker 4: No, I give you a better guests. It was invented

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Speaker 4: at the start or the end of the nineteenthentury early

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Speaker 4: twentieth century. That period, I think who would be inventing stuff.

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Speaker 2: Then child al capine.

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Speaker 4: You know this person's name, Mark Twain.

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Speaker 2: Mark Twain.

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Speaker 4: Twain invented the modern clasp for the bra. We still

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Speaker 4: using the clasp on the bra you're wearing now was

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Speaker 4: invented by Mark Twain. Yes, wild right and ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I guess, thank you. Wow, that is ridiculous. So you're interested.

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Speaker 2: I like how you said it was undergarments, but it's

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Speaker 2: really bras No.

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Speaker 4: No, like socks, all the whole thing, long underwear. I

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Speaker 4: got opinions about all of it. You know this, I guess, dude. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the t tank tops. I mean, you name an undergarment

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Speaker 4: I got.

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Speaker 2: Opinion to, well, that is ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: The lining of a like a sweatsuit. I'll give it

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Speaker 4: my wetsuit lining. I got opinions about anything that touches.

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Speaker 2: My skin touches you.

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Speaker 4: We can't just be throwing anything on this. It is

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Speaker 4: that's true. It is the integument.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 4: You know, we just recently found the second biggest organ recently,

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Speaker 4: like in the last ten years, we have another organ

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Speaker 4: that's all through our body.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the juice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go, the juice.

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Speaker 2: So you know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 4: No, I'm out. That's it for.

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Speaker 2: You, booze that costs more than a used Ford Taurus.

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Speaker 2: What this is ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and

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Speaker 2: outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's always ninety nine percent

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Speaker 2: murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Damn right. Australia, Yeah, down Under.

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Speaker 2: I can't stop telling stories about that fabulous land. Man.

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Speaker 2: Did you know that gambling is legal in Australia?

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Speaker 6: I did not, but you know, I'm not surprised Australians

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Speaker 6: spend more money on online gambling than any other country

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Speaker 6: on planet Earth.

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Speaker 4: Really, yeah, why are they not known for this? Almost

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Speaker 4: three you never hear about gambling as part of Aussie culture.

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Speaker 2: It is clearly almost three quarters of Australian adults hit

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Speaker 2: the tables and machines within like the last twelve months.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 7: And then more than the tables or machines within a year.

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Speaker 4: I mean they're going to a place to be.

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Speaker 2: And then more than a third of Aussi's gambled at

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Speaker 2: least once a week. Wow, Yeah, I had, there's stuff.

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Speaker 4: Apparently they're not good. No one else knows about this,

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Speaker 4: not all, Like, hey, you should ask an Ozzie about that.

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Speaker 2: All this work on, like trying to counter acts like

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Speaker 2: gambling addictions, that stuff.

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Speaker 4: There's got to be like corrosive.

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Speaker 2: So there are some really nice like hotel casinos.

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Speaker 4: There is a lot of money in Australia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 4: Everyone is gamming.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah it is. Yeah. So I mean think like

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Speaker 2: there are Vegas style casinos these places.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I'm imagining like the hard rock casino, Like

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Speaker 4: the Seminoles are like.

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred hard rock casinos. It's only that's the only

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Speaker 2: kind that's allowed.

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Speaker 4: They do they group them together like in Vegas Atlantic

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Speaker 4: City kind of, or they're just sprinkled.

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Speaker 2: Around, sprinkled around? Is my understanding? Correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Obvious one in Melbourne is the Crown

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Speaker 2: Casino and it opened in nineteen ninety four right on

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Speaker 2: the banks of this river. The whole place there's a

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Speaker 2: casino and like three hotel towers and I think like

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Speaker 2: a mall. It takes up more than one point five

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Speaker 4: It's a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot. It's like two city blocks.

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Speaker 4: That's big.

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Speaker 2: It's the largest casino complex in the Southern Hemisphere.

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Speaker 2: And it's also one of the largest in the world. Okay, huge.

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Speaker 2: Did you know that Keanu Reeves has stayed at the Crown?

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Speaker 4: I did? He invited me. I was like, Kean, I can't.

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Speaker 2: You know who else has stayed there? Your boyfriend Tom Cruise?

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Speaker 4: Really?

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Speaker 2: Yes, dude, Why.

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Speaker 4: Are these guys not? Like they always tell me that

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Speaker 4: I'm going to be there. I never believe them.

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Speaker 2: That's like the place to stay when you're there.

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Speaker 4: Into motorcycles and gambling.

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Speaker 2: Tennis stars Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer, they stayed there during

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Speaker 2: the Australian Open.

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Speaker 4: Yeah they never called me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they didn't. It's the real deal. It's five stars,

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Speaker 2: super luck is what you're talking It's fancy pants.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is like Monico. Yeah, that's all five.

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Speaker 2: Fingers, all four of my fingers. Even so, it has

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Speaker 2: had its share of controversy. No, so, Chinese regulations wouldn't

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Speaker 2: of money every year. So in that case, it's like

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Speaker 2: fifty thousand US dollars or sixty nine point five thousand

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Speaker 4: Transfer out of the country. It transferred to Australia, out

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Speaker 2: And into another jurisdic So Section sixty eight of the

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Speaker 2: Australian Casino Control Act makes it illegal to provide money

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Speaker 2: or gaming chips in a transaction using a credit card

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Speaker 2: promote responsible gambling.

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Speaker 4: You have to have the cash.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like buying lotto tickets here,

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Speaker 4: That's hard. You don't want to have people draining their.

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Speaker 2: Account or put it all on credit.

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Speaker 2: And then Section one twenty four of the Casino Control

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Speaker 2: something as one thing when it's another. So all three

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Speaker 2: of those elements came together. The Crown Casino broke all

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Speaker 2: those rules. So they were letting Chinese gamblers use something

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Speaker 2: for gambling purposes, and they weren't using these directly for chips.

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Speaker 2: They would get phony invoices for hotel services.

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Speaker 4: It's like a credit line kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Money would know it would make it look like, oh,

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Speaker 4: Through the hotel, so they're just like going, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And then the Chinese gambler would pay the fake bill

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Speaker 4: Got you and then they would be given the money

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the staff gives them a voucher they

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Speaker 2: can trade it in for casino chips. The head of

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Speaker 2: Australian Gaming Commission, fran Thorne said quote Crown's cup procedure

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Speaker 2: was a covert, purposeful scheme that violated the Casino Control

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they're trying to circumvented, at least to government exactly.

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Speaker 2: So she also pointed out that Crown knew this was shady.

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Speaker 2: They still kept it.

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Speaker 4: They came up away to get around it.

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Speaker 2: They don't need no stinking regulations and they tried to

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Speaker 2: So in all, they processed about one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so they got busted and they were fined

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Speaker 2: eighty million Australian dollars for this scheme. Oh wow, And

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Speaker 2: it wasn't their only tangle with the Gaming Commission.

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Speaker 4: Did actual people who are involved actually go to jail

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Speaker 2: They just paid fines and that wasn't even their biggest fine.

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Speaker 2: Oh damn eighty million. So in twenty twenty two they

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Speaker 2: got pinched, and this time for a bunch of violations.

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Speaker 2: And it seems that like for more than ten years,

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Speaker 4: How do you track that though?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but there's apparently this law you cannot

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Speaker 4: Get you need to go sleep, like you need.

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Speaker 2: To go get some water. Think about what you've done.

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Speaker 2: They also were letting gamblers use these plastic picks to

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Speaker 2: hold down machine buttons. It's like, you know how you

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Speaker 2: see people at like video poker, which the Ausies call

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Speaker 2: pokey machines, or like slot machines where there to hit

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Speaker 4: I've gone to yeah casinas with my family members.

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Speaker 2: It's that and the picks. They let people play multiple

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Speaker 2: machines at a time as well. Yeah, so in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: the Crown was told, hey, listen, you got to stop

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Speaker 2: giving people button picks. This is their you have to

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Speaker 2: take steps to make sure that people stop using them.

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Speaker 2: And there the crowd's like, hmm okay, no they didn't.

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Speaker 2: And so Franz Thorne, right, she steps up, she said quote.

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Speaker 2: For a long time, Crown had promoted itself as having

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Speaker 2: the world's best approach to problem gambling. Nothing could be

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Speaker 2: further from the truth. Like what casinos like, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to take care of problem gambling. No, they're of course,

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Speaker 2: they're like, come hide under my coat. You're refined. Get

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Speaker 2: in here. So for those two violations, the extended play

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Speaker 2: periods and the pick action, they got two fines. They

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Speaker 2: got twenty million for the picks, yeah, and one hundred

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Speaker 2: million for the all day play. Wow, that was the

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Speaker 2: maximum penalt million.

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Speaker 4: They got two million in fine.

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Speaker 2: Tundred million in fines, and the casino they released this

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Speaker 2: statement quote, we are genuinely remorseful for the failings of

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Speaker 2: the past, and we're committed to becoming a world leader

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Speaker 2: in the delivery of safe and responsible gaming and entertainment.

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Speaker 2: The recently appointed new leadership team at Crown is driving

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Speaker 2: a whole of company transformation program designed to uplift the

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Speaker 2: culture and build a better crown which exceeds the expectation

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Speaker 2: of our shareholders.

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Speaker 4: I love the valley girl who works in the Australian

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Speaker 4: gaming industry.

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Speaker 2: Right. They are in cities, They're everywhere. They're so hard

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Speaker 2: to get away from. You know, they get these communications,

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Speaker 2: He had a pretty serious gambling addiction and he'd been

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Speaker 4: So you also forgot to tell me he had no tattoos.

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Speaker 2: This is exactly why why am how I got all

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Speaker 4: and like, clearly I can't be that guy because I've

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Speaker 2: He's really fresh covered up in the plastic.

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Speaker 4: Don't touch that, it's healing.

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Speaker 2: He gets all this done, he's a new man.

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Speaker 2: He goes to sky City Casino in Adelaide, he says,

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Speaker 2: So, ye, he's left like thirty six thousand dollars September

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Speaker 2: He turned himself into police.

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Speaker 4: He just had to get this jag out.

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Speaker 2: His defense was that he had PTSD after a video

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Speaker 7: So two decades later, yeah, he's likely also, he's like,

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Speaker 7: and then seven years after that, my marriage fell apart

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Speaker 2: So twenty two years later, I'm going to pull this

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Speaker 4: I had to like act it out, get it out

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Speaker 2: You know what, your ghost, You demonstrated remorse. You show

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Speaker 4: Oh, we do love the shame.

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Speaker 2: And so he ordered him to serve non parole period

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Speaker 4: So he's just out, just out, just be a cautionary

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Speaker 4: tale telling people about.

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Speaker 2: There said quote, all of this behavior endorses the fantasy

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Speaker 4: So I don't even understand what that means.

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Speaker 2: There were bigger let's criminal elements at this casino though,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So in twenty twenty one, so this is

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Speaker 2: before the stick up, the Finkelstein Report was released, and

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Speaker 2: it's a six hundred and fifty two page document on

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Speaker 2: an inquiry into whether the Crown Casino should be able

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Speaker 4: And then can you imagine the movie Martin Scorsese can

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Speaker 2: I'd love this. It's like an upside down casino. So

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Speaker 2: it just ripped into the Crown for all sorts of

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Speaker 2: illegal activities. There's a list in the document. I'll give

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Speaker 2: you some choice. Once they facilitated millions of dollars of

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Speaker 2: money laundering. They allowed operators with links to organize crime

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Speaker 2: to arrange for junket players to gamble at the casino.

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Speaker 8: Okay.

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Speaker 2: One of the quotes, for many years Crown Melbourne has

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Speaker 2: engaged in conduct that is, in a word, disgraceful. They

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Speaker 2: the catalog of wrongdoing is alarming, but more so because

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Speaker 4: And when you've gone past litany into catalog, this thing

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Speaker 2: And then they bring up the whole China stuff. And

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Speaker 2: so the report recommended that they be put under a

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Speaker 2: keep their license to operate, but they'd have to make

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Speaker 2: major changes, and they did. They got an all new

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Speaker 2: sharking and the drug deals were still going on.

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Speaker 4: We'll do whatever as long as printing machine running.

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Speaker 2: It looks like they're in full operation right now. Click

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Speaker 2: and they might be riding the ship. But they're still

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Speaker 2: underwatched from the government, but you wouldn't know it from

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Speaker 2: their website. It's business as usual. So let's hold up,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute for some ads, and do go there

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Speaker 2: because I am with it. When we come back, I'll

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Speaker 2: explain how the forementioned activities are not the most ridiculous

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Speaker 9: Nice all right, Zaron, good eye, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm getting in the mood.

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Speaker 2: Crown Casino. Crown Casino, So a lot of hanky shesh

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying is, let's give them the benefit of

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Speaker 2: Suomie, Crowned Casino, That's what I'm saying. Here's a quick question.

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Speaker 2: Apropos of nothing, Yes, I love those. How much do

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, what how much is the world's most expensive

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Speaker 4: cocktail tail? This is like one of the things like whoa,

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Speaker 4: we put real gold in there whatever. Oh, it's not

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Speaker 4: about the actual research that okay. So I'm imagining how

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Speaker 4: five for I don't know, a few grand.

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Speaker 2: Twelve thousand, five hundred Australian dollars. And that's back in

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Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. You were close.

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Speaker 4: No, I was more than seven at all. That's like

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Speaker 4: three times is what I was saying.

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Speaker 2: More than seventeen thousand dollars American today in the Year

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Speaker 2: of Our Lord twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: I like how generous you were, Like, you were close, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 4: If the speed limit was twenty five or.

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Speaker 2: You would have said forty dollars, I would have been like,

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Speaker 2: you're close.

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Speaker 4: H You're really close. I was like, imagine if someone's

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Speaker 4: times more anyway, I mean says this is like.

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Speaker 2: That's what the most expensive cocktail. It's in the Guinness

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Speaker 2: Book of World Records.

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Speaker 4: Why is it so expensive?

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you it was made on February seventh, twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 4: It's made is not constantly being made.

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Speaker 2: By a man named Joel Heffernan.

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Speaker 4: This is like the biggest cocktail ever made?

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Speaker 5: Is that?

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Speaker 2: It is the Giants swimple?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole town in Milwaukee help make this.

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Speaker 2: Yes, how do you know Joel worked as a bartender

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Speaker 2: slash mixologist?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I love that term.

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Speaker 2: I know what do you do?

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Speaker 4: And you're liked?

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Speaker 2: You just hit me in the face. It's at a

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Speaker 2: place called Club twenty three. And as you've probably guessed,

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Speaker 2: the Club twenty three was located inside the Crown Casino.

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Speaker 4: Okay, there we go. So is that for Jordan because

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Speaker 4: he's a big gamblers Club twenty three Michael Jordan. But

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Speaker 4: all that is gambling, it's not about sports at all. Yes,

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Speaker 4: they're like his pictures of him and other casinos and

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Speaker 4: then him.

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Speaker 2: Leaving the NBA.

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Speaker 5: Why so.

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Speaker 2: Uh it's still this is still listed as the world's

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Speaker 2: most expensive cocktail ever sold. Okay, And in this world

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Speaker 2: of TikTok excess for drink videos, no one has tried

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Speaker 2: to unseat it.

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Speaker 4: Really, even all those glow Gold schlogger people.

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Speaker 2: Apparently. So the pre the Vius world record for a

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Speaker 2: single cocktail was held by Salvator's legacy. Okay, and that

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Speaker 2: drink was developed by famous. I guess to like booze

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Speaker 2: aficionados and hospitality folks. This famous guy, Salvatore Calibres.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Salvatory Calibreci, Elizabeth, you tell me you don't know

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Speaker 4: sal Calibre.

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Speaker 2: He made it. He made Salvatores legacy.

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Speaker 8: Can you say that?

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Speaker 2: I love saying it with Claude des Griffier view Coniac

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Speaker 2: from seventeen seventy eight.

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Speaker 4: Like I know what that is?

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Speaker 2: That drink Conaksting sold for fifty five hundred pounds in

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Speaker 2: October twenty twelve at the Playboy Club in London. Oh wow,

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Speaker 2: funny story about that cocktail when Salvatory tried to make

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Speaker 2: like things went south. Oh that bottle of seventeen seventy

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Speaker 2: Days someone dropped the bottle and he was going to

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Speaker 2: she's wetting to stop the is what Salvatory said. Quote

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Speaker 2: when something gets smashed into a bar, it's normally cleaned

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Speaker 2: to sponge it up and filter the liquid? We mopped

448
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: it up in the end. Funnily enough, the bartender who

449
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 2: cleaned it away was stopped by police on his way

450
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 2: home and asked if he'd been drinking just freaked so salvatory.

451
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 4: He put on, you didn't have any like real alcoholics, Like,

452
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 4: I got a tow, Let me get on a straw.

453
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 4: Would like the put like.

454
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 2: A cigarette filter at the end of the straw in a.

455
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 4: Little red cocktail straws like they're sipping on like a

456
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 4: Roy Rogers.

457
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 2: So Salvatory. He like takes the shards of the bottle

458
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 2: and he puts it in this glass cabinet that also

459
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: holds like more than a million dollars worth of vintage kgnacs.

460
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 2: So anyway, are kidding?

461
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 4: That's like putting the four hundred and fifty million dollars

462
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 4: in Leonardo da Vinci painting on a yacht, Like why

463
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 4: would you put all that there? I mean, you're just

464
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 4: asking gravity do it. Gravity.

465
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 2: When he actually made the drink, he got his hands

466
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: on another bottle of this stuff, and so then he

467
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: made he makes the tipple with the Kognak, a seventeen

468
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: seventy bottle of Kumel liqueur, an eighteen sixty dub orange currosow,

469
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: and a tiny bottle of nineteenth century anguester of bitters. Okay,

470
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 2: so back to the Crown. Yeah, February of twenty thirteen,

471
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: the Crown sends out this press release. It crowed about

472
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 2: how like this New Zealand millionaire has agreed to pay,

473
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 2: you know, twelve and a half thousand dollars for the Winston.

474
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 2: The Winston, that's what the cocktail was called, the prescos Nuts.

475
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 2: There's all these like breathless articles about this obscenely decadent

476
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: and ostentatious drink, and they're all it's all over the

477
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 2: media in Australia and then like food and drink publications

478
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 2: around the world. Sure, so what's in the Winstone?

479
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 4: What is in the Winston?

480
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: Elizabe, I'll tell you. It's made with eighteen fifty eight

481
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: vintage kroy Say couve leone Cognac.

482
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 4: And by the way, when you're saying all this stuff,

483
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 4: I got some of the words. I know something I don't,

484
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 4: But the eighteen fifty that is the year, and not

485
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 4: like some name for.

486
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: That's the year that's from. And I gotta say, I'm

487
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: saying these words. I don't know them. Yeah they mean nothing,

488
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: sounds like you. No, they don't.

489
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 4: No much more than in there. You don't want to

490
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 4: hear me, try it?

491
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: Okay. So this is this, this eighteen fifty eight, that's

492
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: the same cognac that Winston Churchill and Twight D. Eisenhower

493
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,719
Speaker 2: sipped when planning the D Day landings. I imagine them

494
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: like drinking black coffee as they ponder the fate of

495
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: Europe in the free world. The hands imagine brave Allied soldiers. No,

496
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 2: they're sipping on yak and just like looking at each

497
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: other all the crazy their.

498
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 4: World leaders debating something that may be the end of

499
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 4: the world. You're gonna have coffee stuff you can.

500
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: Find or steal. The fun fact about that batch of

501
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 2: conyak is also the cognac that was stocked on the Titan.

502
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 4: Okay, So, like, are you thinking about crossing the Atlantic?

503
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 4: I've got the Kodiac for you.

504
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 2: So you've got that quisette cognac dating back to eighteen

505
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: fifty eight, it's already a world record holder because a

506
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: bottle was valued at one hundred and fifty seven thousand dollars.

507
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: That is nuts And they're like, there too, two nips

508
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: of that are in this drink and that's normally it's

509
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 2: normally six thousand a shot. Yeah, there's.

510
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 4: I've owned less than that. Shop.

511
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: Then there's gramoy A quintessence. Total Wine and More describes,

512
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: as the quote, a premier blend of extremely rare cognacs,

513
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: some over one hundred years old, sourced exclusively from Grand

514
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: to Champagne, the most prestigious growing region of cognac. Double

515
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: distilled wild tropical orange essence and aged in French oak casks,

516
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 2: limited annual release.

517
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 4: Very nice. What did BEVMO have to They wouldn't comment

518
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 4: the orange cat. I've never heard of orange cast. That's nice, yeah, but.

519
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: Like that's Gremoier is orange?

520
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, of course the flavor. I just hadn't thought

521
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 4: about orange cast. I was like, oh, that's great, and

522
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: so no oak casts.

523
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you say they're orange, tropical orange essence, French

524
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 2: oak cast.

525
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 4: About that orange, I imagine the essence inside of the cast. Yeah,

526
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 4: we've oiled the cast.

527
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: Probably did. Don't trust me.

528
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 4: My imagination is probably wrong.

529
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: Diaper, Total Wine and More will sell you a bottle

530
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: right now, cash on the barrel head for nine ninety

531
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: nine dollars ninety nine cents. No, no thank you, no

532
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: thank you. Next up Shartruse VP. They don't sell that

533
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: at Total Wine and More. In fact, I had I

534
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,239
Speaker 2: had trouble finding an English language website that would talk

535
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: about it. I did find one, though, and it reads quote,

536
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: this specially matured version of green Shartruse is aged for

537
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: at least eight years in oak vats, the initials VP

538
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: stand for and I'm about to mess this one up

539
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: vielles mont, except in Almont meaning exceptionally long aged. The

540
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: individually numbered wax sealed bottles used are identical to those

541
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: used in eighteen forty. Appearance clear pale, lime green with

542
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 2: flecks of golden yellow aroma, herbaceous pine forest, with nasal cleaning, angelica, spearmint,

543
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: aniseed and tobacco nasal cleaning. Taste slightly syrupy sweet, but

544
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: with such earthy spirit pungent flavors that the sugar has

545
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: a welcome taming effect.

546
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 4: Earth and sweet.

547
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: Cleansing, antiseed, peppermint, spearmint, angelica, lime, peel, tobacco, ginger root,

548
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 2: and turmers.

549
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 4: It's got everything.

550
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 2: The aftertaste is called zy pine and peppermint fresh with

551
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 2: enlivening cracked black pepper.

552
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 4: If you ever wanted to drink just.

553
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: To eat the forest floor. Yeah, and then while a

554
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: fairy peas on there, it is down' have like a

555
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: dash of anguster of bitters in there because apparently you

556
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 2: can't do it. And then that comes from you know,

557
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: Trinidada drink. Yeah, and then but I'm sure that that

558
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: those particular ones are like super fancy under the light

559
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 2: of the harvest moon, like a bed of hibiscus flowers

560
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: or something. And to top it all off, the drink

561
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: has a pop rocks rim and a slink gym swizzle stick.

562
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 4: What they turned it into a kid's that's.

563
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: For my imaginary pina colade of.

564
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 4: Bread bowls, Like are you kidding this?

565
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: This drink has a presentation of chocolate, nutmeg dust, essence

566
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: of poppy seed, yeah, tele rim now, essence of poppy

567
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: seed and roses, hints of coconut, passion flower and oranges.

568
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: So the hints are just like it winks at it.

569
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, we put we put the passion fruit on the

570
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 4: same count.

571
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: Comes in a cut crystal glass with a diamond encrusted stirstick,

572
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: and it takes the bartender two days to make the

573
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: twelve five hundred dollars drink.

574
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 4: So I gotta ordered on Thursday for the weekend.

575
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: It's like a crazy soufle. I have no idea what

576
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: he's doing that whole time, but I think he needs

577
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: help with time management.

578
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 4: I mean, like I thought there was like you've seen

579
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 4: some of those Japanese bartenders where they have like they

580
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: make the drink with the cube and on fire and

581
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 4: all this. I'm like, no, I just want to drink

582
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 4: like this guy's like two days, we've.

583
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: Had an anvil down in the basement.

584
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: He's got to crystal the drink that was really close.

585
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: To my drink that I call Elixir of the Gods.

586
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: It's a drink that is sugar free lemonade and pineapple

587
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: juice on the rocks.

588
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 4: You keep talking about this is it good?

589
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: So what does the Winston taste like?

590
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 4: Money?

591
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: Money?

592
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 4: Well?

593
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: I was trying to think of someone who could walk

594
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: us through it, and then I remembered that our ridiculous

595
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: crime bar keep in the basement saloon. Yeah, he'd be

596
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: the perfect person to tell us all I did. Come

597
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: on in and Rascal Jack, it's good to see you,

598
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 2: and you brought your parrot that plays the steel drunk.

599
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 4: You can't sit there, No, it's fine.

600
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: You're gonna us a song.

601
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 4: Oh okay, let me tell you that a little drink

602
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 4: called the Winston.

603
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 8: It's a little bit doney, it's a little bit short, drenk.

604
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 8: If you give me more, I might get sick. You

605
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 8: put a little in a cup. Go ahead and put

606
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 8: a little more in that cup. I need to get drunk.

607
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 8: I just spent twelve thousand dollars on a drink. Have

608
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 8: you ever felt like you've been getting ripped off? My friends?

609
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 8: Just remember there's a guy who's been twelve contail.

610
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 5: You know what.

611
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 8: This isn't enough, zaren. I want you to close your eyes.

612
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 4: And picture it.

613
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: You heard the man, You heard the man clothes. It's

614
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: February seventh, twenty thirteen. You are a bar back at

615
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 2: Club twenty three at the Crown Casino. The place has

616
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: been a buzz for days now in anticipation of the

617
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: creation of the world's most expensive cocktail ever sold. The

618
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: place is packed mostly with reporters, but also with high

619
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: rollers and onlookers. Wanting to witness a gross display of excess.

620
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: People chat and laugh as swanky, down tempo early ats

621
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: ambient music fills the air. It's all very zero seven.

622
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: You make your way from table to table, picking up

623
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: empty glasses and wiping down surfaces. Your neat uniform of

624
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: crisp black dress shirt, black slacks, and shined up black

625
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: dress shoes adequately hides all the booze you spill on

626
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: yourself or that's spilled on you. Through the evening, this

627
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: place is full of the same people every night, rich

628
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: middle aged guys and shiny suits and slick back hair,

629
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: drinking expensive scotch their dates, wispy women half their age

630
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: and sparkling slip dresses, sip champagne or martinis if they're

631
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: trying to look sophisticated, and then other iterations of those folks.

632
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: But there are a lot more people here tonight, a

633
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: more diverse crowd. Of course, everyone's here to witness a

634
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: world record being set. They want to see barman Joel

635
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: Heffernan make the Winston for New Zealand millionaire James Manning.

636
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: Joel's a good guy, and you know how nervous he

637
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: is about this. He wants everything to go perfectly. This

638
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: will push him into the ranks of the best in

639
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: the biz, like Salvatore Calibraci or Rascal Jack. But the

640
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: event was supposed to start twenty minutes ago, and there's

641
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: no sign of James. Some pr folks walk by you

642
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: briskly and they run into this vice president of VIP Services.

643
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: He's got a guy with him that looks familiar. Oh

644
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: that's Jang Win. He's a regular at the casino, doesn't

645
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: come into the bars or clubs much. He has a

646
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: suite here that he sometimes lives in. You heard he's

647
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: part owner of the Geelong Football Club. Win is not

648
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: dressed for the occasion. He's wearing old sandals and a

649
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: grubby shirt, and he looks like he just woke up.

650
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: The vice president of Vip Services. He escorts when to

651
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: the bar, putting him right where James Manning was supposed

652
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: to stand. The crowd and the staff mutter to each other,

653
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: looking around in confusion. The music lowers and Joel begins

654
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: to mix the drink. It's a very dramatic affair. The

655
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: crowd and their glad rags lean in to watch him

656
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: expertly put the wiggles on a cocktail shaker. He pours

657
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: the concoction into a special glass. He dusts it with

658
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: some stuff, sprinkles drops of other stuff from a test

659
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: tube and a dropper. First, Joel hands when the bill

660
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: for the drink, Newenn signs it without even looking at it.

661
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: Fall or move, you think. Then Joel slides the cocktail

662
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: across the rich, polished bar. Newenn looks irritated, like he

663
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: has somewhere else to be. He checks his watch, The

664
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: VIAP manager turns when to face the cameras both press

665
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: and house, and Wind takes a sip of the cocktail.

666
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: Everyone awaits his reaction. You've been wondering if James Manning

667
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: would make a big show of it, raving about the

668
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 2: complex flavors, or if he'd pose and pretend to be

669
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: in deep thought, savoring the taste and thinking of the

670
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: boys on Omaha Beach. Instead, you watches when puts the

671
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: drink down, adjusts his shirt, and then walks out of

672
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: the bar. The crowd is stunned. You are stunned. What

673
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 2: just happened? And why wasn't James Manning here? I'm so confused, Jaren,

674
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to answer that question. I'm going to erase

675
00:34:54,160 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: your confusion as soon as we get back from this break, Zarin.

676
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 4: I'm still so confused to Elizabeth, I've been thinking about

677
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 4: the entire commercial break better.

678
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: He took one sip, so they just served the world's

679
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: most expensive cocktail to the world's least interested casino cast

680
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: one sip, sets it down, walks away. Why well, what

681
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: was that about?

682
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 3: Right?

683
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 4: Is this a magic trick?

684
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: James Manning? Why wasn't he there? Who is James James?

685
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 2: Where are my pants? Who stole my pants?

686
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 4: Why am I wearing your pants?

687
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 5: No?

688
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: Okay? So Manning he described himself as a quote substantial gambler.

689
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: He's a whale. Okay, he's a property he was a

690
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: property developer from New Zealand.

691
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 4: And he was staying it doesn't it seem like hippos

692
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 4: instead of whales should be the term for gamblers because

693
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 4: whales are not known for a reading. But it's hippos.

694
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 4: We always think it was like hu hippos, right, And

695
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 4: that's like, oh, you don't want to mess with a hippo.

696
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 4: You don't want to get in the water with the small.

697
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: Fish in the pond and the whale comes in like

698
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: was it.

699
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, never made sense to me anyway, Sorry, go on.

700
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: He spends a lot of money there, he stay, he's

701
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: staying at the casino February twenty thirteen. He's spending and

702
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: he's winning lots and lots of money. So the casino

703
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 2: reaches out to see if he wants to buy the

704
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 2: world's most expensive cocktail of course, as long as you're here,

705
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, why not, So I'm down. And

706
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: so he and his family had been staying there already

707
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks. They're in like one of

708
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: the high rollers swite.

709
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 4: Sure, they have like their own cabana.

710
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: And when he had his own VIP services person that

711
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 2: was waid on accommodate his every win for our crew.

712
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 4: So he liked to be a psychiatrists.

713
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: He liked to play at the card tables. And I

714
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: have to say I couldn't figure out exactly which game

715
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: like they just talking.

716
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 4: About or like game poker, Oh yeah, poker.

717
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 8: Yeah.

718
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 4: So the night like a lot of different games over

719
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 4: in the Asian game.

720
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: I think they have all sorts of yeah, so just

721
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: card games.

722
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 4: Okay, Poker's let's go with poker.

723
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: So the night before this cocktail event. Manning's at the tables, right,

724
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: He's at the high stakes tables, not the nickel slots,

725
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: and he's on a roll and he's winning hand after hand,

726
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: like and that kind of luck. Can't hold out like.

727
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 4: Ten thousand hand minimum, that kind of table kind of stuff.

728
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 2: And but this is what makes him a whale. And

729
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: so he's been having terrific luck though for a while

730
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 2: he's just been raking it in, which is why the

731
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: casino they were really eager to get him in on

732
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: this cocktail stum spread some of the money around, get

733
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: them away from the table off. But that night, so

734
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: this is the night before, they have their eyes on

735
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: chains on the floor as well as through the camera.

736
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: At this point, there are more than two thousand cameras

737
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 2: in this casino. It's a lot of cameras, and they're

738
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: all like really HD like zoom in to all the

739
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: stuff totally. I mean, they have like beta mass. So

740
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: security noticed something. They are in colors erin so the

741
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: cameras they were moving in like a weird way, and

742
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: so they're watching James. They're watching James, but they see

743
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: like on another camera is like zoomed in on the

744
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 2: cards of the other players at his table. Oh yes,

745
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 2: And the security officers weren't the ones doing the zooming,

746
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: oh double. They used one of the cameras they did

747
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: control to zoom in on James, and they thought they

748
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: saw an ear piece and he he didn't wear a

749
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: hearing aid that they were aware he got long hair.

750
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 4: They saw, well, he can't.

751
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: Quite make it out. So they watched him play eight hands,

752
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: and he played him really quickly and they were all winners.

753
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: And so then like he gets up and he retires

754
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: to his luxury suite.

755
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 4: Did she get that guy from casino with the cattle prod?

756
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: The hammer? And security They keep their eyes on him

757
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: the whole time as he goes back to the sweet

758
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: they're trying to work out what was going on because

759
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 2: they have all these high resolution cameras and it looked

760
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: like someone had hacked the system and was relaying that

761
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: information to James through an ear piece. Okay, and so

762
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: he's using the casino's own system against it.

763
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 4: And they can't like unzoom their cameras, like they have

764
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 4: no control over those cameras. Like these people have.

765
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: Hacked in deep, they've hacked indep and here he is,

766
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: he's raging against the machine he's using it against. So

767
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: there's this woman, Linda Hancock. She's a professor. She wrote

768
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: a book about the Crown Casino, so she knows the place.

769
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: She said that his winnings, all this winning, didn't draw

770
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: attention right away because he's this big whale. You know,

771
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: win big, bet big and like Pitt, you know what

772
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: you're eventually the house is always going to win. This

773
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 2: they tell themselves, she told Australian Broadcasting quote. The Crown

774
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 2: Casino has about six or seven leer jets. It flies

775
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: these VIPs in. So how it all works is that

776
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: these people have a minder. The person had his family

777
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: with him, so that's not uncommon either. They come in,

778
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: they look after the family while the high roller gambles. Now,

779
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: I would like to introduce you to someone else.

780
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 4: Please, I love people.

781
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: A casino consultant named Baron Stringfellow.

782
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 4: What come on, that's a stringfellow.

783
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: Look, it's so much better. He used to be based

784
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas, but now it looks like he operates

785
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: out of Hiawatha, Kansas.

786
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 5: Wow.

787
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: And I'm fascinated by him. I am his and his

788
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: amazing Barrenstringfellow Dot.

789
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 4: Com website, I find the most interesting people.

790
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: Here's some bio information from his website, and there's random capitalization.

791
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 4: Oh, of course.

792
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: Barn performed his first page show at the age of

793
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: thirteen in nineteen seventy three. He is from Las Vegas, Nevada.

794
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 2: He has been in casino as his profession for a

795
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 2: bit less time than magic. I'm trying to give you

796
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 2: the exclamation prints here. The two careers intertwined nicely into

797
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: one amazing job. His combined works have been seen internationally

798
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 2: and he may be the quote best kept secret in

799
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: magic cheaters.

800
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 4: Beware.

801
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: Baron is an international casino scams expert and entertainer. Calls

802
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 2: come in worldwide to solve casino crime and get Baron's

803
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 2: insight into scams. Twenty years in tribal gaming, fifteen of

804
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 2: those with our own consulting firm. We don't just train

805
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: casino personnel, regulatory staff, and state federal government in a

806
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: multitude of casino solutions. We enter train what intertrain events

807
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: large and small flourish under Baron's application of sizzle. Yeah,

808
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: so he uses magic to train casino folks in detecting

809
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: fraud and implement tak best practices.

810
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 4: I bet he's got great stories about how Penn and

811
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 4: Teller are like dicks. Yeah.

812
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: Probably one time he does seminars in Macau. Oh really yeah,

813
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: one of his he's like a big name. One of

814
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 2: his big topics is he says, so this is vicious

815
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: activities and casinos, And like I said, he is fascinating

816
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: and I would love to hear all of his stories.

817
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 4: I would like to take a road trip with him.

818
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: Be amazing. Anyway, So when they ask him about this heist,

819
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: the press, they're like, who do we go to? We

820
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: go to the number one guy, Barren Strings. So they

821
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: talked to him. He said it took fewer resources than

822
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: what you'd imagine for like an Ocean's eleven type.

823
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 4: Thing, ocean thirteen type.

824
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah quote, intercepting them the surveillance signals is simple as

825
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: going down to a local radio shack. That's what he

826
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: told Australian broadcast.

827
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 4: He used radio shack. Yeah.

828
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 6: Wow.

829
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 2: I wonder if there's still a radio shack in Iowas.

830
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 4: I bet they're internationally too, though, Like you know, I

831
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 4: hear that they.

832
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: Maybe he still exists. I don't know, but I need

833
00:42:59,080 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: to take one of them.

834
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 4: I don't want to go there again.

835
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: I know. So this is how he described the operation.

836
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 4: Please quote.

837
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: The player wears an earpiece that's fed information from an

838
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: accomplice sitting somewhere in the casino or outside of it.

839
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,479
Speaker 2: This person would have access to the casino's surveillance feed

840
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 2: and would be watching the action on the table. They

841
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: would then relay the best plays and bets to the

842
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: player and stringfellows and stuff like. This is actually like

843
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: kind of common and that the casinos know about it. Yeah,

844
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 2: but they don't report it because it would generate so

845
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 2: much bad pr and encourage other people.

846
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 4: Sure, I mean there's a lot of cheaters, and we

847
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 4: see that this is usually the plan, which, yeah, how

848
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 4: do you get eyes on whoever, either the dealer or

849
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 4: your other opponents, and then how do you get into

850
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 4: the person's ear or like with electronic like did he

851
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 4: do it on their schedule?

852
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: But the casinos they're like he said, quote, the problem

853
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: with casinos is that they believe they are unbeatable, and

854
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: we see over and over again that they are not unbeatable.

855
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: If casinos would monitor for wireless transmissions, they would be

856
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: able to thwart these plans on set.

857
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 4: I bet because they have to use them themselves, that

858
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 4: they can't use blocks.

859
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: So the casino have clocks, like why would they not exactly,

860
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: So the casino now knows what's going on. They know

861
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: that Manning's up in his villa in Crown Towers, and

862
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: they did the math and they figured out how much

863
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: he'd taken them for. Okay, thirty three million dollars.

864
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, buddy.

865
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: So they head up there in the middle of the

866
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 2: night and they gave him the boot what They kicked

867
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: him out. They did not call the cops, They didn't

868
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: beat it. They were like, sir, you need to leave.

869
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: And he's like, my children are asleep. I don't care, sir,

870
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: you need to leave.

871
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 4: Isn't it a wild how? Like you can take the

872
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 4: English culture and you get America, or you can get Canada,

873
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 4: or you can get Australia. America were like, beat his

874
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 4: ass Canada, Australia Like, well, sir, you need to get out.

875
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 4: You can't be stealing, like we.

876
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: Say, like you reach a certain threshold of money and

877
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: consequences are different.

878
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 4: I think that that guy, if he's not on the

879
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 4: inside or doesn't have a lot of money, if he's

880
00:44:59,040 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 4: just taking him for.

881
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: A lo lot of money. He's a whale.

882
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know though, I think I don't think

883
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 4: this play goes in America.

884
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: They did do something to him. They hit him with

885
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: a withdrawal of license. Notice, yes, it meant that he

886
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: couldn't come into the entire Crown complex, not even into

887
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: the luxury shops.

888
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 4: Darren, Wow, he can't do the shopping. He will know,

889
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 4: And he.

890
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 2: Said okay, and then he went back with his family,

891
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: presumably to New Zealand.

892
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 4: No duty free goods for you, that's it.

893
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: Sorry, And so that's why he wasn't there to drink

894
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 2: the world's most expensive cocktail ever. So he just taken

895
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: the casino for thirty three million dollars and had been evicted.

896
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 4: And Wynn knew this. That's why he takes the silly Yeah.

897
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 2: Well, the casino that he's another whale. They just grab

898
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: another whale, only this one doesn't give a tinker's damn

899
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 2: about a cocktail he just wanted to get. He's not

900
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: even like his buddy, No, no, no, so like the

901
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: casino made a deal with when and he you know,

902
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: they said, you you signed for the drink and then

903
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: we'll pay you back later.

904
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 4: Are you kidding.

905
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: And then the casino it turns out they never charged

906
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: him for it in the first place, so technically no

907
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: one paid for the world record, right, the casino just

908
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 2: ate the cost.

909
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: So was it?

910
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: Is it the most expensive cocktail ever sold? Still holds

911
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: the record when you go to the Guinness website to

912
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 2: this day, it holds the record.

913
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 4: I'm calling hijinks.

914
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. So anyway, the casino fired the VIP

915
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: services manager that was someone to Manning and his family

916
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: because the thoughts were that he was the one. Yeah,

917
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: and so Victoria Police they did confirm that they were

918
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: involved in the investigation, even though they didn't receive a

919
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: formal complaint. So there's nothing on file. Everything's on the

920
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: hush hush and.

921
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 4: Away.

922
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: And it looks like Manning and the casino came to

923
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: some sort of deal. Speaking of deals, I'm not saying

924
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:58,959
Speaker 2: you're wanting this man to be heard?

925
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 4: How how different the reactions you get to just do

926
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 4: what you want.

927
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: Linda Hancock, she's the one who wrote the book on

928
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: the crowd.

929
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 4: Yeah huh.

930
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: She thinks that Manning and the VIP manager had a

931
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: deal of their own. Okay, she's a quote. How it

932
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: could happen is that they assigned someone to look after

933
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: all the needs of the premium player. Sometimes they can

934
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: be quite demanding. Sometimes they drink, sometimes they don't. They

935
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: may have a particular food they like. This person was

936
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: accommodated in one of the luxury villas up on the

937
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: very high floor of the Crown Casino. There's the Versace villa.

938
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: These villas are extremely luxurious. They cost thirty thousand dollars

939
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 2: a night if you want to rent well yourself. Yeah

940
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: and even what yeah night a night. So the whole

941
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 2: thing is wired. And I guess if there is corruption

942
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: in the ranks or collusion between the minder and the player,

943
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 2: they must have struck a deal.

944
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 4: Oh I need to pick my job out.

945
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: I thirty thousand a night. It's just yeah. So the

946
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: press got a hold of the story in March of

947
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, one month after it went down, and the

948
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: casino told the press it was pretty sure they'd be

949
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 2: able to get most of the money back. Stringfellow, our hero,

950
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 2: he said, that's pretty much impossible. Yes, Like they let

951
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: you walk out. He was like, quote chances or zero

952
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: if they let you walk out of the casino game over, Well, you.

953
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 4: Can still get back illegally, you can send the viper

954
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 4: after May.

955
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 2: Right, Manning denied the charges and I had trouble tracking

956
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: him down after the heist, but I think I found him,

957
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: did you. Well, there's a James Manning who's a bitcoin

958
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: baron in Australia.

959
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 4: Okay sounds.

960
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: He was the CEO of Masson Infrastructure Group, which is

961
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: like a bitcoin mining operation that was based in Pennsylvania

962
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: and a right and so that he was the CEO

963
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: up until May of twenty twenty three, and he got

964
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: the boot when he failed to disclose related party transactions.

965
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: He founded a hedge fund based in Sydney and in

966
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two he and his wife, who's like a

967
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: former fashion designer of course, have like four kids. They

968
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: sold their house in Wallahara, a Tony uh the suburbs

969
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 2: for fifteen million dollars house. Then they listed another house

970
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: down the street that they had for eight million because

971
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 2: two years later.

972
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 4: Down the street it was like next door because they

973
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 4: didn't want to have neighbors and he was down the.

974
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: Street like they just buy up the neighborhood. So apparently

975
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 2: bitcoin bosses are buying up a ton of high end

976
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 2: Australian real estate. There are stories about this, and I

977
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: imagine the same thing is happening all over the world.

978
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: You know, they're a good number of properties in San

979
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: Francisco that sit empty because owners buy them as investments.

980
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 2: That's what everyone says.

981
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 4: You don't even want to know the numbers, like it's

982
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 4: you know that it's like I think right now, it's

983
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 4: in America. There are twenty eight unoccupied homes for every

984
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 4: homeless person. Yeah, okay, the numbers are stupid.

985
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 2: And then the city like you'll see in those big

986
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: high rise like luxury apartments, like most of whole floors.

987
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, San Francisco's ridiculous.

988
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's a good front.

989
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 4: Who just pays attention to that? And he'll point out yeah, yeah,

990
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 4: the you know, the.

991
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 2: Way that the property values keep increasing everywhere. You know,

992
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 2: it's a good investment, which is just disgusting. I don't

993
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 2: like that either. So that may or may not be

994
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: the same James Manning. But the details and I mean

995
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: Manning was described as a Kiwi in all the heist reporting,

996
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: and this dude is in Australia, but I can't find

997
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: a bio for Aussie James Manning to see if he's.

998
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 4: Easy for a keiwave to go from New Zealand Australia.

999
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: I mean, and it's it's weird that there's just like

1000
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: nothing about him. I did. I did find SEC filings

1001
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: that refer to Manning as having property development experience earlier

1002
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: in his career, so that lines up anyway. If that

1003
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: James Manning isn't the same one as the Crown Casino one,

1004
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 2: I apologize, and please don't sue me. I'm just basically

1005
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: asking people not to sue me today.

1006
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 4: And if you are related to the Manning brothers from football,

1007
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 4: please call me because I'd like to be on the

1008
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 4: Manning cast.

1009
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. We both have ridiculous takeaway. Oh no, I

1010
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 2: got what you ridiculous takeaway?

1011
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 4: Pepe? Ask me Elizabeth. I'm so glad. I've been sitting

1012
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 4: here holding my fingers crossed for like five minutes. I

1013
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 4: can tell you this now. I don't I pick on

1014
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 4: the bitcoin guys because I think that what they're doing is,

1015
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 4: you know, just basically speculating. You're just creating this money

1016
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 4: that we don't need and then selling it to someone

1017
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 4: who's an idiot, and then they make me make money.

1018
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't see any value here, right, But

1019
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 4: at the same time, I spend a lot of time

1020
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 4: looking for Mersin prime. So I'm using a big computer

1021
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 4: to do very similar things and I make nothing out

1022
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 4: of it. You know, yeah, I'm gaining nothing. So I'm

1023
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 4: the idiot if you really want to talk about it

1024
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 4: from the economic standpoint. But there's this other guy who

1025
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 4: I was thinking about when you were telling the story.

1026
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 4: When I thought that Manning or rather Win was buying

1027
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 4: the drink and then not enjoying it, and I was

1028
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 4: so hung up on that. There was a guy recently

1029
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 4: who found the next largest Mersen prime, right, which is

1030
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 4: made you think total. But then the guy spent two

1031
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 4: million dollars using cloud computing to find it.

1032
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 9: Right.

1033
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 4: You know, me, I got my one computer, I plug

1034
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 4: in a couple of numbers and I go look for these.

1035
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 4: A month later, I go, oh, not that one, and

1036
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 4: I do it again. Right, this guy has cloud computing

1037
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 4: doing it, all these numbers all the time, twenty four hours.

1038
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 4: He spent two million dollars doing this. You would think, man,

1039
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 4: it paid off, you did it, your planned worked, you

1040
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 4: found the next biggest mercy and prime. And then they're

1041
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 4: like talking to him and he's like, yeah, I did that,

1042
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 4: and he.

1043
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 2: Didn't care excited about it.

1044
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 4: Why did you spend the two million if he doesn't

1045
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 4: give you any joy.

1046
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about like bitcoin and that kind of stuff,

1047
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: is the environmental impact.

1048
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I was trying to side step that make.

1049
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: The electricity is.

1050
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 4: Maybe you've prepared that for a lot of the crypto coins.

1051
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 4: So you can't say that anymore about him other than bitcoin.

1052
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: AI.

1053
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 4: Sure, definitely pretty much. If you're trying to cool something,

1054
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 4: you're taking water or electricity, either you know, for the

1055
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 4: stand or for the cooling. But shouldn't these things get

1056
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 4: these people joy? If you're gonna be denying my grandchildren

1057
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,479
Speaker 4: a future on the planet, shouldn't at least get joy

1058
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 4: out of this?

1059
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 2: Exactly?

1060
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 4: Well, there, that's my ridiculous tahaway. Would people would at

1061
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 4: least get a moment of joy, as I said, of

1062
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 4: like a moment of like I got this. He didn't,

1063
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,479
Speaker 4: because that's not joy.

1064
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 2: That's not joy.

1065
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 4: Joy.

1066
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: That's my takeaway that was I was watching this thing

1067
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 2: the other day about what joy is, and then it

1068
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be like this amazing like fireworks of

1069
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: things it's just simple pleasantries, like simple things in life

1070
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: that and it's our tasks to stop and like think

1071
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: of that joy. And when you think about this this bartenders,

1072
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 2: I mean the alcohol cost a side of just like

1073
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: I can't believe they would charge that amount. Like he

1074
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 2: spends two days preparing all these things, and a lot

1075
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 2: of thought goes into that of layering all these flavors

1076
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: and the experience of it, you know, I like, I

1077
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 2: I'm not I make fun of like mixologists, but with

1078
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: anything like that, any like food or drink, when you

1079
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 2: think about the entire your experience of it, that you

1080
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: would want to have someone enjoy this cocktail and you know,

1081
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: experience every sensory element of it, and then to put

1082
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: it in front of a dude who like takes a

1083
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: sip and is like all right later, that's got to be.

1084
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 4: Like I checked the box.

1085
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: There, I did it.

1086
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 4: Saw me do it exact guys, Like that was two

1087
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 4: days of my life you to go there, I did it.

1088
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1089
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 2: And because it's so expensive, apparently the casino said like

1090
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: we're going to be making like twelve more of these

1091
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 2: or something. They'll be available for a certain amount of time.

1092
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 2: And I don't know if they ever made them or

1093
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 2: anyone cared, but.

1094
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 4: Just these like flagrant, gross displays of well and now

1095
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 4: when you google.

1096
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: That bartender's name, this is all that comes upon I know, right,

1097
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: poor kid. Uh, you know what we need to as

1098
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 2: a palate cleanser. What Elizabeth a talk by?

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Speaker 4: Hell yeah, I went cheat.

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Speaker 3: Elizabeth Zarin close your eyes. Treasure Island being robbed. I

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Speaker 3: was in the floor where the cops repelled down. I'm

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Speaker 3: watching the TV to see what's going on. Hurt. All

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Speaker 3: the helicopters saw my husband hit the floor with the

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Speaker 3: gunfire on the news.

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Speaker 2: Thought he was shot.

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Speaker 3: He was right next to the security guards and I

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Speaker 3: was five months pregnant and about had that baby that night.

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Speaker 2: Great episode. Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 4: So glad everything was fine for you and your family.

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Speaker 2: Wow, so you're like witness to history. Yeah, I'm so

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Speaker 2: glad everyone wound up. Okay, and the little bibs, Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, that's crazy. Thank you for sure. Uh, that's

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Speaker 2: it for today. You can find us online at Ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Crime dot com. Go there and check out the merch.

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Speaker 2: I think it's hilarious.

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Speaker 4: It's dope. There's some great and there.

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Speaker 2: We're going to keep putting more stuff in h so

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Speaker 2: always keep checking back. We've been remiss, ye there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: They're not like campaigns anymore now, it's just always always.

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Speaker 4: There, set it and forget it exactly.

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Speaker 2: We're at Ridiculous Crime on Twitter and Instagram. You can

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Speaker 2: email us at Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com, and

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Speaker 2: most importantly, as I always say, leave a talk back

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Speaker 2: on the iHeart app reach out. Ridiculous Crime is hosted

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Speaker 2: by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnette, produced and edited by

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Speaker 2: Research is by Marissa Remy Martin Black Pearl, Louis the

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Speaker 2: I'm Sharp and To. The theme song is by Thomas

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Speaker 2: and makeup by Sparkleshot and mister Andre. Executive producers are

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Speaker 5: Dis Crime, Say It One More Time Crime.

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