WEBVTT - A Very Special Roll Credits

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<v Speaker 1>On Theme is a production of iHeartRadio and fair Weather

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<v Speaker 1>Friends Media.

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<v Speaker 2>You are stars, and now it's time for roll credits.

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<v Speaker 3>We're doing roll credits this early episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we have an announcement, drum roll please, but a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>a bit, a bit, a bit, a bit, a bit

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<v Speaker 1>a bit. The announcement is that the episode you just

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<v Speaker 1>heard about, Black Muses, is going to be our last episode.

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<v Speaker 1>We have loved creating this show and sharing black stories

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<v Speaker 1>with y'all, and we wanted to tap in with y'all

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<v Speaker 1>and let y'all know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it seems a little abrupt, but I do think

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<v Speaker 4>an abrupt ending is the blackest thing we can do,

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<v Speaker 4>because if you recall a second family matters, Okay, what

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<v Speaker 4>happened my wife and kids?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, girlfriend, I feel like you have a deeper historical

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge of abrupt endings than I do.

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<v Speaker 3>That break it down for me.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't get good endings. You got they're coming back.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, somebody went upstairs and just they.

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<v Speaker 3>Went up the stairs to nowhere.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I feel like, you know, we are part

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<v Speaker 4>of a true, storied tradition of ending black shows abruptly,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just think it's really appropriate and.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well We did start our show with the episode

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<v Speaker 1>about first episodes, so.

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<v Speaker 3>We're very very on the very meta here.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about endings in general? I.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, feel different ways about different endings, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I think any work ending I'm okay with. Yeah, life

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<v Speaker 4>ending I'm more sad about. So I feel good about

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<v Speaker 4>what we did it. On theme, There's definitely more stories

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<v Speaker 4>that I would love to tell. But the thing about stories,

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<v Speaker 4>they find their way into the world. It doesn't have

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<v Speaker 4>to be a podcast. It can be just me sharing

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<v Speaker 4>something with someone personally. It could be written down, I

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<v Speaker 4>could take up collage. There's so many ways to get

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<v Speaker 4>stories out there. So excited about that.

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<v Speaker 3>What about you?

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<v Speaker 5>How do you feel?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm cool with endings too, Like I have had to

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<v Speaker 1>work my way into contentment with some endings. But I

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<v Speaker 1>like change, and I know when like I'm ready for

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<v Speaker 1>a change in things, and also when I'm not ready

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<v Speaker 1>for a change in things. I think the work that

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<v Speaker 1>I've done over the years, like for my mental self,

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<v Speaker 1>has really helped me get comfortable with like not freaking

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<v Speaker 1>out over those things.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I think I'm good with endings.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, since this is a very special role. Credits

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<v Speaker 4>the segment where we give credit to a person, place,

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<v Speaker 4>or thing. What would you like to give credit to

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<v Speaker 4>in regards to this podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I like to give credit to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that it's a blessing to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>work with somebody you've known for a really long time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I admire the work that you do, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>think that you are very meticulous in your work. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that you care a lot about your work, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that it's like, that's cool, but also it's

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<v Speaker 1>about black stories, and black stories are cool, and the

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<v Speaker 1>stories we were telling were cool. So having a thing

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<v Speaker 1>that will exist in the world forever, like as a

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<v Speaker 1>representation of the things that you and I care about

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<v Speaker 1>in our shared relationship. We did an episode on diaries

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<v Speaker 1>personal narratives. We've talked about on the show, and those

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<v Speaker 1>are like individual narratives, but I think it's interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>think about this show as a shared personal narrative and

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<v Speaker 1>one that will be able to exist for ever. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as the technologies that we have.

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<v Speaker 6>As long as they don't turn off the internet, turn

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<v Speaker 6>off the Internet machine, which they might be knowing pretty soon,

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<v Speaker 6>we have both I think brought very different things to

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<v Speaker 6>the show and I know, the long list of ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>That we have, like those aren't going anywhere, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>know if anybody wanted to come up to you and

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you about some of those things, that you.

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<v Speaker 3>Are still very invested in those ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like just because the show isn't there to

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<v Speaker 1>carry them as a vessel, that doesn't mean that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't still love and care about and want to nurture

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<v Speaker 1>those ideas about black storytelling.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that's what I'll say today.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think when one thing that stands out about

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<v Speaker 4>what you just said is you made the comment that

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<v Speaker 4>a good thing about podcast is that people can discover

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<v Speaker 4>them at any time. And I found myself discovering podcasts

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<v Speaker 4>that Laura ended in twenty sixteen, and I'm like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's a cool thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And like people like you said, can go through the catalog.

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<v Speaker 4>We got what forty six episodes, Yeah, you know, you

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<v Speaker 4>can run through the catalog. We've been on other people's

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<v Speaker 4>shows too, talking about different aspects of black storytelling.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's fun.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like a snapshot of you know, where we were

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<v Speaker 4>during this time, what we were thinking about, what we

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<v Speaker 4>cared about. So you know, I think it'll be interesting

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<v Speaker 4>to look back, like, you know, when we fifty, like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh look at us.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be cringing, cringing from wherever I am

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<v Speaker 1>in the future, listening to myself. Just so I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like listening to myself. I have There are hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>episodes of me out there, maybe over a thousand at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, and that's going to be an.

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<v Speaker 4>Experience kind of like that you go to see what

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<v Speaker 4>was I talking about, burn it all, what was said,

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<v Speaker 4>And on that note, I'd like to give credit to

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<v Speaker 4>like all the moving parts that made this happen. I

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<v Speaker 4>know when we were first talking about starting this podcast,

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<v Speaker 4>you were like, I heart just doesn't give podcasts to

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<v Speaker 4>you know, non famous black women, and kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>sitting in that and being like what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 4>And like how are we going to you know, stewart

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<v Speaker 4>this into the world. So you know, I heart ate

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<v Speaker 4>that one little thing, okay, you know, just being able

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<v Speaker 4>to have this platform. We had so many people who

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<v Speaker 4>helped us like get it started. You know, bridget Todd

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<v Speaker 4>gave us a lot of advice. Christian from unladylike she's

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<v Speaker 4>really cool, met with us, still keeps up with us.

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<v Speaker 4>Sees how we're doing, and you know, she'll give you

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<v Speaker 4>down to the set on how much stuff costs and

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<v Speaker 4>how much she spent and who's charging what. So you know,

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<v Speaker 4>just like Tari our producer, and all the people who

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<v Speaker 4>stepped in to produce the show, and you know, Tari

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<v Speaker 4>might have been out, Like those people have been really

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<v Speaker 4>cool and it's like you hear us talking and you

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<v Speaker 4>know a lot of time it is like in the

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<v Speaker 4>first person, but it's not a it's not a two women.

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<v Speaker 3>Show at all.

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<v Speaker 4>Even the people we've researched, you know, the people who

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<v Speaker 4>made their archives available, the people who did research before

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<v Speaker 4>us so that we could just you know, do research

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<v Speaker 4>for the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, shout out to all of those people.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because it's like we're all in conversation with each other,

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<v Speaker 4>and I hope this podcast, this show is a testament

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<v Speaker 4>to just the ongoingness of blackness, of black stories in

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<v Speaker 4>that conversation that we have with each other, and hopefully

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<v Speaker 4>we'll be in conversation with you know, other art forms

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<v Speaker 4>in the future, people who maybe want to know, like

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<v Speaker 4>what were people thinking about copsidy in the twenty twenties,

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<v Speaker 4>They'll be able to go back and listen to our

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<v Speaker 4>show and then you know, maybe do a retrospective of like.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that shit wasn't built the fuck.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we occupy this space in this time, and

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<v Speaker 4>we've been in conversation with people in places of the past,

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<v Speaker 4>and we'll be in conversation with people and places in

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<v Speaker 4>the future and that's exciting for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And shout out to all of the guests that have

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<v Speaker 1>come on the show as well, Yeah, that have generously.

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<v Speaker 5>Who's your favorite guests?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, don't do that for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I got my fave.

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<v Speaker 3>I got my fa Donovan. Oh.

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<v Speaker 5>I was gonna say Michael Eigenzalas.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I liked him too. I really liked Donovan. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean he hit us up with the archival material that.

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<v Speaker 4>Was enjoying to go through on all the sound design

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<v Speaker 4>in that episode would not have happened without Donovan.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he had the files. He had the fire files.

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<v Speaker 1>So I really appreciated that. But I also like, just

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<v Speaker 1>like how that was an earlier episode for an interview,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was like so rich. I felt like, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that you brought that idea. I know that

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<v Speaker 1>it was like a collaborative effort because it's his book

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<v Speaker 1>that came out into the world, but also like thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about it from a black storytelling perspective of like how

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<v Speaker 1>people were crafting narratives in the media. I went in

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<v Speaker 1>my live in a crack era. Okay, I've heard plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of stories, but I didn't know what it was like

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<v Speaker 1>to like live during that time.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was pretty heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's heavy subject material, but I think it didn't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that when we were having that conversation. I know

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<v Speaker 1>that the seriousness, the way, the gravity of course all

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<v Speaker 1>of those things that exist, and of course the stories

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<v Speaker 1>in there. The book could get pretty dark, but at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time there were still levity in moments speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of what black people are good at beyond endings, we

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<v Speaker 1>are good at making things funny when they ain't funny.

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<v Speaker 6>It's always a little funny. It's always a little funny.

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<v Speaker 6>If we gonna find that little.

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<v Speaker 4>Inkling, we're gonna find that mustard seed of funniness. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>So where can people find you? Now that on theme

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<v Speaker 4>is done?

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<v Speaker 1>So y'all can find me in many places. I think

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best catchalls to go to first is

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<v Speaker 1>probably Eves Jeffcoat dot com. And if you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how to spell my name. That's why v E S

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<v Speaker 1>j E F F co A T. That is my website,

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<v Speaker 1>Evesjeffcoat dot com and you can get two other things

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<v Speaker 1>from there. There's a contact form on there. You can

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<v Speaker 1>sign up for my newsletter on there, and you'll get

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<v Speaker 1>information about the things that I have going on in

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<v Speaker 1>the yoga yoga teaching space because I'm a yoga teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>about things I have going on in the post space,

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<v Speaker 1>and about things that I have going on in the

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<v Speaker 1>writing space and the travel space. So if you sign

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<v Speaker 1>up for a newsletter you can get that information. You

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<v Speaker 1>could also if you're on Instagram, go to Instagram at

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<v Speaker 1>not Apologizing and I post stuff on there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>You can keep up with what I'm doing there, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can also hear me on podcast. I'm pretty regular

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<v Speaker 1>on stuff Mom never told you, so if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to go there, once a months, I host a monthly

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<v Speaker 1>series that we do there called Female First, and often

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<v Speaker 1>talking about some similar things that we would talk about

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<v Speaker 1>on this show. It's not all about black people, but

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<v Speaker 1>if you're interested in people in history who had pioneering accomplishments,

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<v Speaker 1>then you can go there. But those are some of

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<v Speaker 1>the spaces you can go to to keep up with me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have new adventures coming up. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>interested in all of those things, then keep it up

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<v Speaker 1>with me and travel and yoga and podcast life, then

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<v Speaker 1>those might be good places for you.

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<v Speaker 5>I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>What about you? How can people keep up with you? Uh?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I just be on the block for real.

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<v Speaker 6>If you see a little Honda Civic which one girl,

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<v Speaker 6>great skirt, don't tell people.

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<v Speaker 5>That with my personalized say.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, my book is coming out in February, pros to

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<v Speaker 4>the People. It's available for pre order now, but I

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<v Speaker 4>have been sending the link for pre order because we

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<v Speaker 4>don't have the cover on it, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>it's not cute right now, but you know you still

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<v Speaker 4>pre ordered. Okay, but you know what I'm saying, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like it's cute when you can be like

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<v Speaker 4>pre order. You can see the cover, you can see

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<v Speaker 4>the t you can see the you know, the little

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<v Speaker 4>images on the inside.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, but how can people pre order it? Though? Where

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<v Speaker 3>did they go?

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<v Speaker 5>They can go anywhere anywhere that sells books.

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<v Speaker 3>Then pre orders.

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<v Speaker 4>You can just google pro to the People by Katie

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<v Speaker 4>Mitchell and all the pre order links will show up,

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<v Speaker 4>So whoever you want to support, whether you want to

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<v Speaker 4>support it indy.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, that's the that's the main thing, pro to

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<v Speaker 5>the people.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be talking about that a lot, hopefully on other

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<v Speaker 4>people's podcasts, talking about that.

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<v Speaker 1>People who listen to one theme, why would they like

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<v Speaker 1>pros to the people.

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<v Speaker 4>So people is celebrating black bookstores, and I'm profiling over

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<v Speaker 4>sixty black bookstores. And one thing about profiling a very

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<v Speaker 4>specific type of thing over and over again, you gotta

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<v Speaker 4>find what makes it different. So there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>funny stories, little known or never before told stories in there.

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<v Speaker 4>Y'all know, I like drama. Y'all know I like mess

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<v Speaker 4>I kept be cute.

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<v Speaker 3>Though that it was a complete contradiction to what between

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<v Speaker 3>the lines.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you can't, I kept it cute. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>all I'm gonna say on that.

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<v Speaker 3>She said she's telling y'all to DM her.

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<v Speaker 1>However, y'all can find Katie ask her about that.

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<v Speaker 3>What she preordered a book and then read it, read.

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<v Speaker 4>It, then you gotta sign an NDA because don't play

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<v Speaker 4>with me, y'all ain't gonna have folks.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming at me.

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<v Speaker 4>It's also like a very heavily designed book. I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's interesting you said, like, I'm meticulous. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>that about myself. I think before start this podcast and

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<v Speaker 4>working on the book, I didn't know that I was meticulous.

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<v Speaker 4>I always thought I was a slacker, and I always

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<v Speaker 4>thought I was like very type B personality.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, did we know each other in middle school.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I got it from from college. I went

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<v Speaker 4>to an engineering school, and I just like, did not

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<v Speaker 4>care about engineering. So I was just chilling All through college.

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<v Speaker 3>I was chilling.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I go into the workplace and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>I also do not care about this. So I was

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<v Speaker 4>never doing anything I cared about, I think, and so

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<v Speaker 4>I was just like, oh, I just don't care about anything.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's not true.

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<v Speaker 4>So now that I'm working on these projects that I

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<v Speaker 4>really care about, I think you'll see a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>the details.

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<v Speaker 5>It's very rich in epemera.

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<v Speaker 4>You'll see things that I've gotten from the archives that

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<v Speaker 4>are in the book, whether it's pictures that I've sourced

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<v Speaker 4>from people who snapped a picture in nineteen ninety five

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<v Speaker 4>and I tracked them down.

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<v Speaker 5>Or FBI files letters.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of cool stuff in there. And going

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<v Speaker 4>back to the ongoingness of black history and our stories.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of the bookstores blend into each other in

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<v Speaker 4>a really beautiful way. DC there's Sankofa, and the owner

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<v Speaker 4>of that used to go to Vaughn's when she lived

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<v Speaker 4>in Detroit because she's from Detroit and being at Vaughn

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<v Speaker 4>showed her that there could be a bookstore like that

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<v Speaker 4>that focused on Black power and Pan Africanism. So now

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<v Speaker 4>Sankofa still exists, but Vonn doesn't exist. And mister Vaughn,

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<v Speaker 4>who just turned ninety, lives in Atlanta, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>me and him and his sons hang out and talk

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, talk about what it was like to

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<v Speaker 4>be ran up on by the Detroit police and the

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<v Speaker 4>FBI because they don't like you selling black power stuff

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<v Speaker 4>to niggas in Detroit, Like why these niggas.

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<v Speaker 5>Wanted to learn how to read so man suspicions.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's things like that, And I keep it at

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<v Speaker 4>a register that's not so stuffy because I'm not so stuffy,

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<v Speaker 4>and I want people to actually read it and get

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<v Speaker 4>something out of it. So it's not a textbook. It's

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<v Speaker 4>me translating the oral history and the history found and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, primary documents, So I'm excited about it too.

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<v Speaker 2>And with that, it's a right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it. That's all, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>So with that said, you heard all the lovely stuff

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<v Speaker 1>we just talked about. Keep up with us. Don't stop

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<v Speaker 1>being black if you're black, don't stop enjoying black stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Because this continues.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, thank you, Bye bye.

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