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Speaker 2: You are stars, and now it's time for roll credits.

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Speaker 3: We're doing roll credits this early episode.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we have an announcement, drum roll please, but a bit,

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Speaker 1: a bit, a bit, a bit, a bit, a bit

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Speaker 1: a bit. The announcement is that the episode you just

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Speaker 1: heard about, Black Muses, is going to be our last episode.

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Speaker 1: We have loved creating this show and sharing black stories

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Speaker 1: with y'all, and we wanted to tap in with y'all

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Speaker 1: and let y'all know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems a little abrupt, but I do think

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Speaker 4: an abrupt ending is the blackest thing we can do,

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Speaker 4: because if you recall a second family matters, Okay, what

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Speaker 4: happened my wife and kids?

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Speaker 1: Okay, girlfriend, I feel like you have a deeper historical

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Speaker 1: knowledge of abrupt endings than I do.

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Speaker 3: That break it down for me.

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Speaker 4: They didn't get good endings. You got they're coming back.

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Speaker 4: You know, somebody went upstairs and just they.

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Speaker 3: Went up the stairs to nowhere.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I feel like, you know, we are part

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Speaker 4: of a true, storied tradition of ending black shows abruptly,

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Speaker 4: and I just think it's really appropriate and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well We did start our show with the episode

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Speaker 1: about first episodes, so.

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Speaker 3: We're very very on the very meta here.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about endings in general? I.

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Speaker 4: You know, feel different ways about different endings, you know.

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Speaker 4: I think any work ending I'm okay with. Yeah, life

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Speaker 4: ending I'm more sad about. So I feel good about

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Speaker 4: what we did it. On theme, There's definitely more stories

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Speaker 4: that I would love to tell. But the thing about stories,

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Speaker 4: they find their way into the world. It doesn't have

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Speaker 4: to be a podcast. It can be just me sharing

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Speaker 4: something with someone personally. It could be written down, I

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Speaker 4: could take up collage. There's so many ways to get

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Speaker 4: stories out there. So excited about that.

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Speaker 3: What about you?

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Speaker 5: How do you feel?

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Speaker 1: I'm cool with endings too, Like I have had to

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Speaker 1: work my way into contentment with some endings. But I

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Speaker 1: like change, and I know when like I'm ready for

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Speaker 1: a change in things, and also when I'm not ready

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Speaker 1: for a change in things. I think the work that

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Speaker 1: I've done over the years, like for my mental self,

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Speaker 1: has really helped me get comfortable with like not freaking

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think I'm good with endings.

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Speaker 4: You know, since this is a very special role. Credits

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Speaker 4: the segment where we give credit to a person, place,

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Speaker 4: or thing. What would you like to give credit to

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Speaker 4: in regards to this podcast.

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Speaker 3: I like to give credit to you.

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Speaker 1: I think that it's a blessing to be able to

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Speaker 1: work with somebody you've known for a really long time,

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Speaker 1: and I admire the work that you do, Like I

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Speaker 1: think that you are very meticulous in your work. I

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Speaker 1: think that you care a lot about your work, and

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Speaker 1: I think that it's like, that's cool, but also it's

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Speaker 1: about black stories, and black stories are cool, and the

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Speaker 1: stories we were telling were cool. So having a thing

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Speaker 1: that will exist in the world forever, like as a

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Speaker 1: representation of the things that you and I care about

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Speaker 1: in our shared relationship. We did an episode on diaries

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Speaker 1: personal narratives. We've talked about on the show, and those

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Speaker 1: are like individual narratives, but I think it's interesting to

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Speaker 1: think about this show as a shared personal narrative and

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Speaker 1: one that will be able to exist for ever. I mean,

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Speaker 6: As long as they don't turn off the internet, turn

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Speaker 6: off the Internet machine, which they might be knowing pretty soon,

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Speaker 6: we have both I think brought very different things to

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Speaker 1: That we have, like those aren't going anywhere, Like I

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Speaker 3: Are still very invested in those ideas.

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Speaker 1: It's not like just because the show isn't there to

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's what I'll say today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think when one thing that stands out about

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Speaker 4: a good thing about podcast is that people can discover

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Speaker 4: And like people like you said, can go through the catalog.

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Speaker 4: We got what forty six episodes, Yeah, you know, you

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Speaker 4: can run through the catalog. We've been on other people's

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Speaker 4: It's like a snapshot of you know, where we were

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Speaker 4: to look back, like, you know, when we fifty, like,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be cringing, cringing from wherever I am

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Speaker 1: in the future, listening to myself. Just so I don't

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Speaker 4: Experience kind of like that you go to see what

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Speaker 4: was I talking about, burn it all, what was said,

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Speaker 4: And on that note, I'd like to give credit to

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Speaker 4: you were like, I heart just doesn't give podcasts to

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Speaker 4: you know, non famous black women, and kind of like

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Speaker 4: Sees how we're doing, and you know, she'll give you

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Speaker 4: just like Tari our producer, and all the people who

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Speaker 3: Show at all.

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Speaker 4: Even the people we've researched, you know, the people who

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's like we're all in conversation with each other,

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Speaker 4: and I hope this podcast, this show is a testament

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Speaker 4: in the future, people who maybe want to know, like

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Speaker 4: what were people thinking about copsidy in the twenty twenties,

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Speaker 4: They'll be able to go back and listen to our

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that shit wasn't built the fuck.

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Speaker 4: You know, we occupy this space in this time, and

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Speaker 1: And shout out to all of the guests that have

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Speaker 5: Who's your favorite guests?

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Speaker 3: Oh, don't do that for me.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say Michael Eigenzalas.

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Speaker 1: Because he had the files. He had the fire files.

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Speaker 1: So I really appreciated that. But I also like, just

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Speaker 1: It's heavy subject material, but I think it didn't feel

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Speaker 6: It's always a little funny. It's always a little funny.

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Speaker 4: Inkling, we're gonna find that mustard seed of funniness. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: So where can people find you? Now that on theme

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Speaker 1: So y'all can find me in many places. I think

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Speaker 1: one of the best catchalls to go to first is

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Speaker 1: probably Eves Jeffcoat dot com. And if you don't know

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Speaker 1: j E F F co A T. That is my website,

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Speaker 1: not Apologizing and I post stuff on there as well.

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Speaker 1: You can keep up with what I'm doing there, and

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Speaker 1: you can also hear me on podcast. I'm pretty regular

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Speaker 1: on stuff Mom never told you, so if you want

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Speaker 1: to go there, once a months, I host a monthly

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Speaker 1: series that we do there called Female First, and often

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Speaker 1: talking about some similar things that we would talk about

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Speaker 1: on this show. It's not all about black people, but

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Speaker 1: if you're interested in people in history who had pioneering accomplishments,

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Speaker 1: then you can go there. But those are some of

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Speaker 1: the spaces you can go to to keep up with me,

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Speaker 1: and I have new adventures coming up. So if you're

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Speaker 1: interested in all of those things, then keep it up

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Speaker 1: with me and travel and yoga and podcast life, then

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 3: What about you? How can people keep up with you? Uh?

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Speaker 5: You know, I just be on the block for real.

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Speaker 5: That with my personalized say.

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Speaker 4: Well, my book is coming out in February, pros to

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Speaker 3: Okay, but how can people pre order it? Though? Where

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Speaker 5: They can go anywhere anywhere that sells books.

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Speaker 3: Then pre orders.

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Speaker 4: You can just google pro to the People by Katie

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Speaker 4: So whoever you want to support, whether you want to

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Speaker 5: So yeah, that's the that's the main thing, pro to

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Speaker 4: I'll be talking about that a lot, hopefully on other

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Speaker 1: People who listen to one theme, why would they like

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Speaker 4: So people is celebrating black bookstores, and I'm profiling over

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Speaker 4: Y'all know, I like drama. Y'all know I like mess

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Speaker 4: I kept be cute.

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Speaker 3: Though that it was a complete contradiction to what between

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Speaker 4: But if you can't, I kept it cute. And that's

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Speaker 4: all I'm gonna say on that.

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Speaker 3: She said she's telling y'all to DM her.

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Speaker 1: However, y'all can find Katie ask her about that.

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Speaker 3: What she preordered a book and then read it, read.

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Speaker 4: It, then you gotta sign an NDA because don't play

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Speaker 3: Coming at me.

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Speaker 4: It's also like a very heavily designed book. I think

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Speaker 4: it's interesting you said, like, I'm meticulous. I didn't know

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Speaker 4: I always thought I was a slacker, and I always

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Speaker 3: I mean, did we know each other in middle school.

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Speaker 4: I think I got it from from college. I went

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Speaker 3: I was chilling.

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Speaker 4: And then I go into the workplace and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: But that's not true.

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Speaker 4: So now that I'm working on these projects that I

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Speaker 5: It's very rich in epemera.

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Speaker 4: You'll see things that I've gotten from the archives that

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Speaker 5: Or FBI files letters.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of cool stuff in there. And going

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Speaker 4: A lot of the bookstores blend into each other in

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Speaker 4: Sankofa still exists, but Vonn doesn't exist. And mister Vaughn,

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Speaker 4: to niggas in Detroit, Like why these niggas.

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Speaker 5: Wanted to learn how to read so man suspicions.

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Speaker 4: So there's things like that, And I keep it at

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Speaker 4: and I want people to actually read it and get

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Speaker 2: And with that, it's a right.

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's all, y'all.

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Speaker 1: So with that said, you heard all the lovely stuff

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Speaker 1: we just talked about. Keep up with us. Don't stop

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Speaker 1: being black if you're black, don't stop enjoying black stories.

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Speaker 3: Because this continues.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: On Theme is a production of iHeartRadio and Fairweather Friends Media.

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Speaker 1: This episode was written by Eves Jeffco and Katie Mitchell.

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