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Speaker 1: back to another episode of Forgotten Seasons. Today, we are

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Speaker 1: continuing to roll with the next seventy five talk and

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Speaker 1: diving into the two thousands. As a reminder, We are

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Speaker 1: naming seventy five additional and underrated hoopers that we believe

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Speaker 1: deserve more shine. We did the eighties with John Sally,

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Speaker 1: the nineties with Penny Hardaway, and today we got the

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Speaker 1: Mac Tracy McGrady to guide us through the two thousands.

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Speaker 1: Mack joins Jamal Crawford and Steven Jackson. There is no

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Speaker 1: better way to get a clear look into the two

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Speaker 1: thousands than to have three iconic hoopers from the decade

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Speaker 1: break it down for you. I hope you guys enjoy

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Speaker 1: Next seventy five talk with t Mac, Jamal Crawford and

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Speaker 2: Now it's time for our third edition of Showtimes Next

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Speaker 2: seventy five. We're naming the seventy five underappreciated Hoopers of

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Speaker 2: all time.

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Speaker 3: Got to shed a light on them.

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Speaker 4: Today we're gonna be talking about two thousand, Soops, Me

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Speaker 4: and Stacks ear.

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Speaker 2: Joining us today is one of the best players from

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Speaker 2: our era, the team, Mac Trace McGrady.

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Speaker 3: What's up, bro, Man.

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Speaker 5: It's good to be on your platform.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 5: What's going on with y'all?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: Happy to have you on the show Man. Happy early

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Speaker 2: birthday to dog.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it. Getting young man, I'm getting younger, You're.

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Speaker 4: Getting wiser, MATC, you're getting wised. That's all that is.

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Speaker 5: That too.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's get into these two thousand hoops. Me and

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Speaker 2: mal came into the league in two thousands. Max, you

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Speaker 2: signed with Orlando in two thousand. First thoughts of the

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Speaker 2: top seventy five list? What's your first thoughts?

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, top seventy five, that's that's tough, bro.

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Speaker 5: You know, an anytime you put on the list like that,

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Speaker 5: with you know, the great players that come through our league,

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Speaker 5: somebody's gonna get left off. That's just what it is.

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Speaker 5: You know, you're gonna leave some great players off. But

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Speaker 5: you know, I'm pretty fun with the list. I just

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Speaker 5: thought some of the guys that are still playing, you know,

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Speaker 5: with the exclusive of Lebron James, that's a no brainer. KD.

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Speaker 5: It's a no brainer with some of them, some of

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Speaker 5: the guys that still but I still think they got

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Speaker 5: a little bit more time, and Steph as well, Like

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Speaker 5: those are no brainers. But there's some question marks on

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Speaker 4: So my question for y'all is when you think of

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Speaker 4: two thousands of basketball, like, what's the first thought that

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Speaker 5: To me, I think of perimeter dominance, Like, yeah, that's

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Speaker 5: what I think. Perimeter dominance, bro, Because the wings back then,

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Speaker 5: I mean, you two guys stacked like man, look every

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Speaker 5: night you had to you had to put it down.

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Speaker 5: You had a hell of a matchup every night, bro

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Speaker 2: I said that when I when I went to the East,

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Speaker 3: Every night, bro on that wing. It was a problem

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Speaker 2: Dog, I tell people all the time, said the talent

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of small guards.

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Speaker 2: But I'm talking about Tracy six nine, Kobe six seven.

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Speaker 3: Just then you can deal with guys like Bonzie Wells.

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Speaker 2: You gotta deal with two hundred and fifty pounds Bonzie

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Speaker 2: Wells every night, run our tests, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Like you, you dealt with some animals on that wing.

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Speaker 2: But I'm glad I went through that era because that's

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Speaker 3: That's what made me.

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Speaker 2: The competition and being around all y'all and learning from

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Speaker 2: all y'all. I'm competing with you every night. I think

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Speaker 2: that's what made me bro because I wanted to be great.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, you couldn't be no punk bro.

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Speaker 2: Back then, if you was a punk, you was getting

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Speaker 2: exploited dog, And I'm sorry, on the court, if you

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Speaker 2: you can see a guy that don't want to compete

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Speaker 2: and they're kind of they're kind of covering them up

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Speaker 5: That's fight.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy because you know the T Max, you know

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Speaker 4: the Kobe's, you know the Ais, you know the Paul Pierce's.

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Speaker 4: But a guy like Stacker or run our test to

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Speaker 4: guess you just as fast. So when I think of

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Speaker 4: have to guard your matchup. You'll work with your guarded

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Speaker 4: like you had. Here's the point guard. You had a

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Speaker 4: guarded point guard. If he's a two guard, you had

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Speaker 4: a garden too. And the best guard, the best every

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Speaker 4: single night. So the competition level, to me, it was

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Speaker 4: like a men's league. That's how I think that was

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Speaker 4: a men's league if grown men was going out of

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Speaker 4: every single night. And we learned to be that. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: it was absolutely unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: Listen that era. I mean, we could talk about the obvious, right,

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Speaker 5: the printed perennial All Stars, but when you start looking

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Speaker 5: at you know, the page of Sakovich that you gotta guard. Like,

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Speaker 5: we're talking on some tough matchups. And for me, you know,

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Speaker 5: I was guarding power forward, I was guarding small for

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Speaker 5: I was guarding two guards and point guards. Guarden Ai Guarden,

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Speaker 5: you know, Baron Davis, b are you kidding me?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 5: Listen? Contino mobiley Man, come on, come on, it was tough.

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Speaker 2: Bro, So question for both of you guys, Team man

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Speaker 2: got started with you, who give me three of the

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Speaker 2: best one on one players in the two thousands outside

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Speaker 2: the obvious?

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Speaker 5: Though, man, come on, we know you outside the obvious. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I just named one. Patino mobiley got Cat Cat was

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Speaker 5: a problem. Bro Right, I'm gonna give y'all another one

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Speaker 5: that was pretty tough. Monster Mash. Monster Mash was a

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Speaker 5: problem though, And we talked and we're talking not the obvious.

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Speaker 5: So I put Monster Mash in there. And thirdly, I

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Speaker 5: mean just one on one player. I ain't even gonna

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Speaker 5: catch you on that, bro, because that's what you do.

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Speaker 5: Go Stack, I'll throw you in there. You was a

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Speaker 5: tough guard.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: You know why you was a tough guard because I

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Speaker 5: couldn't block the shot because you put that to it

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Speaker 5: all the way behind your head and his slurs hell

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Speaker 5: with this game like it's like, oh ship being about this,

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Speaker 5: but it was so slow. Bro, he's throwing that thing

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Speaker 5: by your head. You couldn't block it. I mean what,

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Speaker 5: you have a swing in the league, right bro? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah man five years?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely did.

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Speaker 5: He was really tough for Charlotte. You and you and

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Speaker 5: Jerald what's what's what's the buddy? Ain't Jerald Wallace? Y'all?

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Speaker 5: Y'all was tough. They was that was together, Charlotte.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you three this that's not like t

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Speaker 4: Mat Kobe Ai. I'm gonna give you and not d Way.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you three. I'm gonna go Gilbert Arenas tough.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with bearon tough, and I'm gonna go

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Speaker 4: with Steve Francis because they had one shape, but the.

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Speaker 5: Whole side was clear for you.

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Speaker 4: You had a whole side just clear for you, and

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Speaker 4: you on an island and Rudy Tea is letting them dribble.

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Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go with them. Three I had to

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Speaker 4: guard in two thousands. What about your stuff?

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Speaker 2: If I had to give you three and I can't

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Speaker 2: name y'all, one, I'm gonna go with because he got

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Speaker 2: my respect. Brandon roy Uh. I got to go Brandon

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Speaker 2: roy Man. He was a problem though he gave me problems. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would have to go to Karan, Butler is tough. Yeah, Karan,

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Speaker 2: but you know he wasn't just across the type of guy, but.

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Speaker 3: He was just he just can get a bucket.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and somebody else who had one on one game

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Speaker 2: but it wasn't flashy, but he got twenty two thousand points.

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Speaker 2: And they know I always talked about him on the

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Speaker 2: show and Twyne jameson.

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Speaker 5: Dog this game bro and.

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Speaker 4: Got it done. A bucket done.

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Speaker 5: He was a bucket But would you say, but would

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Speaker 5: you say he's one on one though?

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Speaker 2: He was more of a garbage man, but he got bucket, right,

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Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. So in go to State, he

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Speaker 2: got buckets state. They was going to him. When he

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Speaker 2: was in Golden State, he was getting buckets.

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Speaker 5: Fifty balls, fifty, he's getting fifty. Matter of fact, I

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Speaker 5: think he I think he had. I think he had

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Speaker 5: fifty back.

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Speaker 3: That he did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah he did.

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Speaker 5: It's the Lakers he did. Yeah, he got buckets. And

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Speaker 5: that's crazy because the man got twenty two thousand points.

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Speaker 5: Bro jac got twenty. You got twenty thousand two, don't you.

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Speaker 4: They robbed me, Matt, They robbed me. They took the

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Speaker 4: last two year or something. I only need a four

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Speaker 4: hundred and eighty six points, but they got me. They

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Speaker 4: got sick too. I was sick. I ain't gonna lie.

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Speaker 4: I never talked about it. I was sick. I was

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Speaker 4: four hundred and eighty six points away from twenty thousand.

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Speaker 5: I thought you was gonna hit it. They got you all.

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Speaker 3: They got me.

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Speaker 4: Hey, hey, I could I could have selln the bitch

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Speaker 4: and played five minutes, give me three points a game.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna ease into this twenty thousand. They got it from.

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Speaker 5: Me, They got it, yeah, yeah, yeah, reaching that twentieth

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Speaker 5: special man, I didn't.

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Speaker 4: Reach it, but you did everything else averaging thirty two,

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Speaker 4: seven and six and twenty three. But matt, let me

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Speaker 4: ask you, Hey, I got back on my wall like that.

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Speaker 3: No, that's a whole, whole another story right now.

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Speaker 4: Hey, but man, let me ask this, bro, because you

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Speaker 4: got so many signature moves. You got your pain dribble,

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Speaker 4: you got the behind the back when you put it

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Speaker 4: in front of their face, you got the off the

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Speaker 4: backboard in the glass. Two part question one what's your

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Speaker 4: favorite signature move? And two? What signature moves do you

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Speaker 4: like of others that's either playing now or playing in

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Speaker 4: the past that you was like, Oh, that's nice. I

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Speaker 5: That's nice. There is nothing greater than it has he

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Speaker 5: pull up? Bro, Man, I stole that from you. Yea

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Speaker 5: greater than the has he pull up. Everyone is using

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Speaker 5: a hazid everybody because it sets up other moves, right,

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Speaker 5: And that's why I came up with it, because you

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Speaker 5: just don't know if I'm a if I'm you know,

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Speaker 5: you to sleep, or pull up on you rocky to sleep,

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Speaker 5: or keep it in my left hand and go buy

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Speaker 5: you or go between the le like you you just

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Speaker 5: don't know, Like I created so many moves just out

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Speaker 4: And then what what what moves you like from other gods,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is so many your joint that you did

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Speaker 3: He had he had one two where he went through

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the one that was thee come full

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Speaker 5: Like like bring the ball over your head or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Taking up on the fly man, I was making up

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Speaker 4: but stack stack, little nold story, little old story. I

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Speaker 4: hit t mat because we was tight. We still are tight,

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Speaker 4: but we was tight. And I hit him like, yo,

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Speaker 4: I want to get better. If you're the best, can

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Speaker 4: I come work out with you? And he was so gracious,

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Speaker 3: The whole house, not the new house, the house. The

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Speaker 4: But I saw him angel and I stole thettle handl

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Speaker 4: from him and Kobe. I saw him and Kobe do

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Speaker 4: it first, no doubt about it. And I was doing

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Speaker 4: Mac showed me how to do it the right hand.

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Speaker 4: And the thing that struck me about T. Mac is

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Speaker 4: if you watch him from a distance, you be like,

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Speaker 4: damn man. He scored so easy. Everything's so easy. He

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Speaker 4: can go to sleep in average fifty before a game.

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Speaker 4: The thing about him I didn't know is how heart

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Speaker 4: he worked. This dude was working out three times a day.

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Speaker 4: He's on the track at four in the morning, He's

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Speaker 4: back in the gym at ten in the morning, back

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Speaker 4: in the weight room at twelve, back shoot at night time.

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Speaker 4: And you would never know that. I ain't gonna lie, Mack,

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Speaker 4: and I ain't never told you this. I thought it

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Speaker 4: was gonna be some easy workouts. I really did. I

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Speaker 4: man was working out so hard. I'm like, man, I'm

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Speaker 4: dying over here, but I got better because of it. Hey,

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Speaker 4: and I illreciate you for that.

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Speaker 3: His manner isms and the person we know and his

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Speaker 3: workout does not go together. Dogs at all.

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Speaker 2: Cool this shit off the court, but it's super intense.

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Speaker 4: My man was obsessed, bro, Like he was obsessed, and

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Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, okay, that's why he's as great as

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Speaker 4: he is. And what just the talent. It wasn't a

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Speaker 4: god given ability. He pushed it all the way to

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Speaker 4: this team mat.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's what it was.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 5: It was for me in the off season because I

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Speaker 5: never showed, like how I work out. Y'all know me, man,

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Speaker 5: I'm just laid back. I'm cool, I ain't all. I

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Speaker 5: ain't all about the show. I don't care if you

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Speaker 5: see I don't care if you think I work out

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Speaker 5: or that. That doesn't matter because that's what people were saying, like, oh,

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Speaker 5: he's lazy, he's this man, trust me, that's bro. That's

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Speaker 5: what I did in the off season. How are you lazy?

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Speaker 5: How are you lazy? You don't work hard to be

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Speaker 5: able to accomplish what I accomplished in my career. What

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Speaker 5: are you saying about? What are you saying about those

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Speaker 5: that do accomplish, you know, scoring titles and and take

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Speaker 5: their team to win championships and all these personal accolades

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Speaker 5: that catch What are you saying about them just because

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Speaker 5: you see it right, because they.

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Speaker 3: Show it to you.

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Speaker 5: To me, it's just a slap in the face. How

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Speaker 5: you spit on somebody. You know what I'm saying, and

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Speaker 5: you don't even know, you don't see what I do,

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Speaker 5: but yet you want to put a label that I

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Speaker 5: don't work hard. Bring your ass on over the come

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Speaker 5: on and work out with me. You'll see. Man.

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Speaker 3: It was crazy.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it's that I was there for a week.

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Speaker 4: I cannot believe it.

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Speaker 3: When when did you develop the hang job? Did you

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Speaker 3: have it in high school?

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Speaker 5: I say my first year with the Magic, First first

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Speaker 5: year with the Magic, That's when I developed them. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Because I was always a left or right crossover type guy.

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Speaker 5: Right right, so I love to do the left the

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Speaker 5: right crossover. But then I was like, oh, start trying

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Speaker 5: different things up. There was dang, bring you right into

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Speaker 5: my shot, and it just felt comfortable. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 5: this is it, this is it.

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Speaker 4: It's actually one of the most unguardable moves ever. It

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Speaker 4: makes guys unguardable. What do you see when you see

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Speaker 4: Kevin Durant right when you're seeing cod, you see Mac,

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Speaker 4: you see myself, Kyrie's doing it like.

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Speaker 3: You that think about.

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Speaker 4: I'll just say everybody from six to eleven to seven

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Speaker 4: feet down to six to one is doing that move.

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Speaker 4: They're putting it in there. They're teaching moments right. I'm

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Speaker 4: teaching kids now and I'm teaching the hang dribble, So

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Speaker 4: a lot most respect to you for that.

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Speaker 2: All right, now, let's get into this next seventy five

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Speaker 2: two thousands list.

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Speaker 3: Man, let's get up. First up, we.

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Speaker 2: Got ooh, your family your family member, three year peak,

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Speaker 2: twenty six points per game, six rebounds per game, four

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Speaker 2: sis per game, twenty five k career points, twenty second

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Speaker 2: all time, eleven straight seasons averages twenty or more, a

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Speaker 2: time All Star nineteen ninety eight, ninety nine, Rookie of

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Speaker 2: the Year, two thousand doll NBA half man, half amazing,

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Speaker 2: somebody who I was terrified of at Knights Vince.

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Speaker 4: Carter, Matt, what is like having front row seat to

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Speaker 4: the Vince Carter showings?

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Speaker 5: Run man, let me tell you something, bro.

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Speaker 3: He should have been the top seventy five.

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Speaker 4: Okay, no, no doubt about it, both of them, both of.

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Speaker 5: Them stat no question my second year in the league. Bro,

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Speaker 5: this dude came in as a rookie and mind you

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Speaker 5: like I've seen this stuff in high school because I

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Speaker 5: played on the junior team Florida and he was on

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Speaker 5: the older team, so I played. I always played before

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Speaker 5: him in the summertime, and I used to just sit

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Speaker 5: in the stands and watch this cat. I couldn't believe

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Speaker 5: my eyes what this high school dude was doing. Like

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Speaker 5: I thought I was good, but I'm like, oh, out

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Speaker 5: of the gym. It's just it's a whole nother level.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell y'all what y'all probably don't know. This

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Speaker 5: man broke his right wrist in the state finance bro

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Speaker 5: and dropped thirty five with the left hand.

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Speaker 4: Matt, you know what that makes all you know what,

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Speaker 4: It makes all the sense in the world because now

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Speaker 4: he shoot left hand threes. That's where it came from.

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Speaker 5: Oh, Bro, it's effortless. It looks just like it's right.

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Speaker 5: That's talent.

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Speaker 4: That's that's like top seventy five.

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Speaker 5: To me, it was a highlight reel. Every game, it

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Speaker 5: was a highlight reel. I couldn't believe this man came

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Speaker 5: and took the league by storm as a rookie like that,

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Speaker 5: and I, you know, I'm still trying to find my

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Speaker 5: way I'm sitting back, got front row cease, and I'm

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Speaker 5: just loving every bit of it. Right.

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Speaker 4: Top seventy five, easy, both of y'all. They may be

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Speaker 4: the only fan, maybe the only family members that should

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Speaker 4: be in the top seventy five.

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Speaker 3: Jack, not exactly.

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Speaker 4: Ron our test three year peak, eighteen points per game,

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Speaker 4: five rebounds for sister game two thousand and four, Defensive

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Speaker 4: Player of the Year, Youngest defensive player winners since Michael

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Speaker 4: Jordan nineteen eighty eight. Question for the group best defender

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Speaker 4: you guys ever faced.

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Speaker 5: Ron's up there, He's at the top of that. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I don't have enough information to be like, well, no,

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Speaker 5: Rod did a better job than this guy. He's on

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Speaker 5: the list. I'll say that he's definitely on the list.

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Speaker 5: He just it's long arm, strong hands. I figured run

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Speaker 5: out very early because I used to sit there and

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Speaker 5: try to dance with and just play around with him. Early,

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Speaker 5: very early, very early. I can't play with this guy, No,

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Speaker 5: you cannot. I cannot because he's not going for any

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Speaker 5: of this, any of my face. Like it's like that

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Speaker 5: left ever move, whatever move I tried to put on him.

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Speaker 5: He got that long, strong, gass left hand. He's just

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Speaker 5: gonna stick that if you try to cross over and

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Speaker 5: then he gonna put it on. He gonna put it

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Speaker 5: on you. You ain't gonna be able to move right

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Speaker 5: right now. He was a problem. I had to figure

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Speaker 5: him out early.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my brother, dow.

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Speaker 2: He a one time All Start two thousand and three,

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Speaker 2: two thousand and four All NBA twenty ten, NBA Champ,

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, two thousand Dollar Rookie, two thousand and

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Speaker 2: three Defensive Player the Year across a four time All

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Speaker 2: Defensive team.

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Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Stuff doing the game and being misunderstood kept him away

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Speaker 2: from a lot of his accolades because Ron was definitely

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Speaker 2: one of the best defenders in the league and one

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Speaker 2: of the best two way players to ever play this game.

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Speaker 2: Because if you know any if you know anything about Ron,

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Speaker 2: I played with him, and I've seen him dominate both

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Speaker 2: sides of the game against some of the top teams

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Speaker 2: in the league, and everybody knows that played the game

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Speaker 2: in our time, Ron was top ten player in the

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Speaker 2: league the whole the whole time when he was locked in,

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Speaker 2: he was top ten player in the league.

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Speaker 4: Stack If you guys go through it, y'all win a

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Speaker 4: championship Indiana.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think, oh yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah right, yeah, because would run if they're a seven

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Speaker 5: game series. If you're a player, you may have to

436
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 5: in a possible efficient game, he's gonna he's gonna make

437
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 5: you take twenty five shots to get twenty five points, like,

438
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:37,440
Speaker 5: no doubt about it. Like you probably would have been

439
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 5: efficient too. I impossible in a seven game series.

440
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what definition made it.

441
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 3: Next up, we got Rashid Wallace.

442
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 2: It's three year peak was eighteen points per game, eight

443
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 2: reboundsible game, sixteen k career points, full time All Star

444
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 2: two thousand and fourt NBA Chap nineteen ninety five, ninety

445
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 2: six All Rookie. But none of that can sum up

446
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 2: who Rasheve Wallace was talk to us.

447
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 5: Probably the most talented big man I ever seen.

448
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 4: Man, Now you're saying something, Man, you're saying something, saying something, Probably.

449
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 5: The most talented I don't even know what else to

450
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 5: add on that. Probably the most talented, skillful big man

451
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 5: I've ever seen. Bro, he had it all, he had

452
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 5: it off. And like I was talking about Vince shooting

453
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 5: left hand, she was the same way, bro, same way man. Look,

454
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 5: I used to come like going to Portland to show

455
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 5: up the shoot around and we'll come on the court

456
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 5: and I'll see she coming off the court. She'd have

457
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 5: on some sweatpants and some Timson. Yeah. Look, this man

458
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 5: just don't give a damn dog.

459
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 4: Hey, Mac, add on to what you said. My rookie year,

460
00:21:54,119 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 4: we played Carl Malone, Chris Webber, Kevin Garnett, I'm Duncan

461
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 4: and Rashid and We're on one of our West Coast trips,

462
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 4: and I says, you know what, She's as talented as

463
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 4: any of them. It was unbelievable to see him in person,

464
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 4: to see how effless the game was, how easy it was.

465
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 4: He wasn't even playing for numbers, none of that, Like

466
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 4: he was just playing to win. And he called great

467
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 4: team player cod Next up, we got Chris Webber. Three

468
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 4: year peak, twenty five points, eleven rebounds, five assists, seventeen

469
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 4: thousand career points, five time All Star, five time All

470
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 4: NBA nineteen ninet three, ninety four Rookie of the Year

471
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight, ninety nine, t RB Champ nineteen ninety three,

472
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 4: ninety four All Rookie Team, and now newly crowned Hall

473
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 4: of Famer one of the most skilled bigs ever, feltas.

474
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 5: Oh, without a doubt, no doubt about that. You can shoot,

475
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 5: passing big man, very very smart basketball player. I mean

476
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 5: Webb had it all too. Yeah, he did all right.

477
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 3: Man.

478
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: It seem to see Webb has seventeen k man, that

479
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: makes me feel greater by my career having thirteen, because

480
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: Web was a problem to see how dominant he was

481
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 2: and how cold he was killing all that he was

482
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 2: going to get them to the top fours in the

483
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 2: league kg Tim duncan alb and still doing.

484
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 3: Work like like that.

485
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 2: That that said a lot for me about uh about him.

486
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: He held his own in the time where the four

487
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: spot was. You was in trouble every night.

488
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 5: Dog, let me tell you something about what you have

489
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 5: a ship sea web hens.

490
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 4: Like George.

491
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 5: Might have what you have it? Oh, man, bro See,

492
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 5: Webb got the biggest hands. Bro I thought I had

493
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 5: some big hands, man.

494
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 4: That's why he with the ball he got he got

495
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 4: some really dunkle it right.

496
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 2: Hey, next up, we got y'all mean, as you know,

497
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: your former teammate three year people's twenty one points per game,

498
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 2: non rebounds per game, two blocks a time All Star,

499
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 2: five time All NBA three All rookie. I was the

500
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: first person to dunk on y'all mean a preseason when

501
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 2: he came to the league.

502
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was me. I got the footage.

503
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 2: But team back, if this team mack, if this dude

504
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been hurt. He was talking about how good

505
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: he was.

506
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 5: Championship herey mat Yeah, I was highly skilled man seven

507
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 5: five seven five. Fellas had left on right hand, jump

508
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 5: up and shoot the mid range, eighty five percent, eighty

509
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 5: eight percent free throw shooter, can pass the ball like

510
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 5: y y'all had. He had it all bro on the

511
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 5: offensive end was unguardable.

512
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 4: Dwight Howard next up three year peak twenty points per game,

513
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 4: fourteen rebounds per game, two and a half blocks per game,

514
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 4: nineteen thousand career points and count. Only player ever to

515
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 4: win Defensive Player of the Year three years in a row,

516
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 4: a time All Star, two time block Champ, eight time

517
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 4: All NBA, five time All Defense, five time Rebounding Champ,

518
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 4: twenty twenty NBA Champ two thousand and four, five rookie,

519
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 4: three time Defensive Player of the Year. Fellas tamac, you

520
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 4: were in Orlando. You saw this up close and personal.

521
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 4: How good was Dwight in his prime and shouldn't be

522
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 4: on seventy five.

523
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 3: But that's not top seventy five. Dogs, that's a whole

524
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: book and the problem.

525
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 5: What we're talking about, right, Come on, bro, they did,

526
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 5: and then he was one of the people that I

527
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 5: was talking about that was left off that list. That

528
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 5: man top seventy five. Go stop stop a personal, personal attack,

529
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 5: personal beast, right, yeah, bro? For eight years, this man

530
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 5: the most dominant big man in the game, Bro, most

531
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 5: dominant big man in the game. And it's not even close,

532
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 5: not even close. Stop playing with this man, bro. I get,

533
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 5: you know, all the personal I get all the distractions

534
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 5: and all that stuff. When it came to basketball and

535
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 5: the productivity what he gave Orlando for eight solid years,

536
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 5: that's top seventy five. Let's stop playing with him, bro.

537
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 5: Come on, man, durst Vallot Hall of Famer. He should

538
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 5: have been top seventy five, y'all giving Robin all this phrase?

539
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 6: Man, Come on, man, man, they toldly, I get up set,

540
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 6: I get upset over stuff like that because all that

541
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 6: the politics come to play, and that's all that's bullshit.

542
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 4: And I hate one thing I hate is they always

543
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 4: try to bring up the end, like, what about the

544
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 4: what about the first fifteen years? This dude then gave you.

545
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 4: Don't try to bring up in because you got something

546
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 4: worse with He's top seventy five easy.

547
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 5: I had no respect for the people that left that

548
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 5: man off the top seventy five. No respect, right, And

549
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 5: a lot of them players, man, a lot of them

550
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 5: was players that was on that list that voted right.

551
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 4: That's crazy, crazy.

552
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: Next up, Agent zero to your peak twenty eight points

553
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: per game, six assist per game, four rebounds per game,

554
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: three time All Stars out in two two thousand three

555
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: months improved, three time All Star About you, man, I

556
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: don't like that, doesn't really say who about you? Was, bro,

557
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: because I know playing against him and T Maggie, you

558
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: can probably get attest to us. This dude was a

559
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: walking bucket. I'm talking about every night, and they could

560
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 2: say what they want. But while he was in the league,

561
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: he was basically unguardable too.

562
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 5: Jill was unguardable. It was he was quick, he was strong,

563
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 5: and he had a ratchet and shot it and he

564
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 5: shot it from anywhere. And if he got hot, Oh

565
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 5: just just pray that your coach sent a double team.

566
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you felt like he was in an island garden. Gil,

567
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. He was like Max said,

568
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 4: he was fast, he was strong, he could get to

569
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 4: the basket. He was a foul magnet. He was shooting

570
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 4: three feet behind. He shooting game winners, turn his back,

571
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 4: putting his hands up like he knew what time it was,

572
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 4: Mantel Jordan style, this is how we do it. He

573
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 4: was just party it straight like that. So to see Gil,

574
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 4: you know, up close, he was so far ahead of

575
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 4: his time because if he was doing what he's doing now,

576
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 4: you could add thirty five thirty seven to what he

577
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 4: was doing already twenty eight to thirty.

578
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 5: He was unbelievable. That's the fact. Gill in today's game,

579
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, man, come on, it wouldn't be fat.

580
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 5: He'll put up crazy numbers, numbers, he'll probably hit that

581
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 5: seventy point mark.

582
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 4: You know what he's he's he got every tool in

583
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 4: the in the in the arsenal to do it.

584
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 5: That's for sure. Yeah, because he not only could he shoot,

585
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 5: you know, how to create fives? Yeah, he.

586
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: Told me one game and I was playing against him

587
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 4: like Maul every time, it's the bonus is dry. They

588
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 4: got a failure. Damn, I don't think about that. I'm

589
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 4: trying to get around him, like no, just running to him.

590
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 4: They'll get I'm like, oh you oh you don't figured

591
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 4: it out all right?

592
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 5: G Hill told me that, Oh.

593
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, gee hell. Next up, we got Chauncey Billups

594
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: three year peak seventeen points per game, seven assists, three rebounds,

595
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 4: forty one percent from three.

596
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 5: That's crazy.

597
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 4: Seventeen year pro just under sixteen thousand career points, five

598
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 4: time All Star, three time All NBA, two time All

599
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 4: Defensive Player, two thousand and four NBA champ in three

600
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 4: two thousand and four finals, MVP, and somebody I know

601
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 4: that team Mac loves. Because we were at his house.

602
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 5: I asked Hi about big Shot. Tell us about big Shot.

603
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 5: Chauncey Billis Mack my brother man. We played together in Toronto.

604
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 5: I had what shot played with Chauncey when I was

605
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 5: in my prime. We both was in our prime. He

606
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 5: knows how to win. You're talking about a having a

607
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 5: coach on the basketball court with you, you know, helping

608
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 5: you maneuver through challenging situations. Like Chauncey was such a

609
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 5: cerebral basketball player and such a great leader of men

610
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 5: of men.

611
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 3: Yea.

612
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 5: Everywhere he went once he figured it out. Everywhere he went.

613
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 5: He won. Detroit, he won, right Denver, he won. He's

614
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 5: just he completely changes the complexity of a basketball team.

615
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: I had the opportunity to play with a big Shot

616
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 4: and Just He was a coach on the floor. He

617
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 4: was always a coach. He was always coaching and teaching.

618
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 4: I loved his demeanor. It was too big, he was

619
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 4: never too high, too low. He always kept a center.

620
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 4: I believe he was healthy. We won a championship with

621
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 4: that Clippers team because his cerebraliteness, the respect that he demanded.

622
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 4: You know, he was always himself, solid as they come.

623
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 4: Still talk to him to this day, and I'm happy

624
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: to see him coaching giving back that now it's the

625
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 4: next generation. He's almost like a modern day Dame Willard

626
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 4: with how their personalities are and how they played and

627
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,479
Speaker 4: how they were unflappable. So love to see those two

628
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 4: together now.

629
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Big Shot was one of them point guards that

630
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: everybody in the league wanted to play with, everybody everybody

631
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: looked up to, everybody respected. And I got a chance

632
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: to play with him in the Big Three and one

633
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: of the most solid dudes.

634
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:38,239
Speaker 5: Uh.

635
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: And like I said, everybody saw the leader he was

636
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: even though they wasn't on his team.

637
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

638
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: Everbody like that, I wish I had a point guard

639
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: like that because he gonna control the game.

640
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: He kind of like Chris Ball.

641
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: He gonna control the game, whatever team or whatever game

642
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: he's playing, and he gonna control the game.

643
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 3: And that's what they got respected about. Big shot.

644
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 4: Here.

645
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 5: How I'm not even gonna say good. Here's how great

646
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 5: chance he is or was, although we view him as

647
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 5: a solid, like a partner point guard, a true point guard,

648
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 5: of being a facilitating leading the team, controlling the tempo.

649
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 5: If he needed to get thirty or forty, yeah, he

650
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 5: gonna do it. He can do it. I've seen it firsthand.

651
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 5: We was beating the shit out of Detroit right when

652
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 5: I was with Orlando. Got up one. Yeah, yeah, my

653
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 5: man took upon himself. Now I've been I've been a

654
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 5: facilitator for these first four or five games. I need

655
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 5: to start scoring forty thirty eight back to back.

656
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: Wait like that, Yeah, let's let's let's move on to

657
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: his teammate, my classmate, somebody who I've seen do work

658
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: for a long time. He had a three year peak

659
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: of twenty points per game, four assistan per game for

660
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 2: a rebound, fourteen year pro just under sixteen k career points,

661
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: three time All Star two thousand and four NBA Champ.

662
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: A lot of players talk about how he was one

663
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: of the most hardest players to guard. Uh, nobody was

664
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: in shape like this, brother, we're talking about Rip Hamilton,

665
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: the mask Mac.

666
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 4: What you remember I matched ups with the mask Rip

667
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: Rip City.

668
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 5: The most conditioned player on the court. Yes, sir man,

669
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 5: I know he ran about eight miles to miles to

670
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 5: the game. Slow down, Bro, Stop running off of these screens.

671
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 4: Bro, Like like Likerip, is it worth it? Is it

672
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 4: worth it to you all this gas just to get you?

673
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 7: Hey, just just tell them to give you the ball

674
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 7: so you feel like we get a couple of dribbles

675
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 7: in and io and I can guard you that way. Oh,

676
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 7: don't have me running through Ben Wallace and Rashid Wallace

677
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 7: to get.

678
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 5: Your shot on.

679
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 3: Bro.

680
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 4: You remember that play to chest. I was in my scalp, though,

681
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 4: I was in my scalp when I heard two tests

682
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 4: coming down across. Hey, you take Rip this time?

683
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 5: Go Tehan, Listen Thank God for Tayshawn being that team

684
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 5: so I can go out and teake y'all because chasing

685
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 5: Rip Daryn, Hey Da, you got it, bro. You and

686
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 5: josh Vonn y'all will handle that assignment. Man, y'all got that.

687
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 3: Man.

688
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 5: That's why that's so impressive for our guy to move

689
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 5: like that for forty two minutes a game a game,

690
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 5: right and think about what Steph is doing right now

691
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 5: right and still have the efficiency to shoot the ball

692
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 5: like that in the fourth quarter.

693
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, that's radible, and Steph is shooting it from

694
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 4: further right. Was running around getting tired during the range.

695
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 5: Yeh, do it?

696
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 4: Hey, give me in the condition drill, have me through

697
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 4: three down the backs and shooting three. Ain't a way.

698
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 5: Ain't no way.

699
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 4: Next time.

700
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: Man.

701
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 4: We got their teammates. This is going down the Pistons line.

702
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 4: Ben Wallace eight points per game, fourteen rebounds per game,

703
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 4: three block shots are still in a half a game

704
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 4: when two players win Defensive Player the Year four times

705
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 4: with Mountain Timbo, four time All Star two thousand one,

706
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 4: two thousand and two, Block Champ, five time All NBA,

707
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 4: four time Defensive Player of the Year, two times, rebounding

708
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 4: Champ two thousand and four NBA Champ, six time All

709
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 4: Defensive Team Hall of Famer out of Virginia Union fellows

710
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 4: who made him so good on defense.

711
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 5: They say, you can pull and plug you know, different guys,

712
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 5: and the team would still go that same way. Not

713
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 5: when Ben Wallace Brook. You take Ben Wallace off that

714
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 5: team and try to plug somebody else in. I don't

715
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 5: give damn who it is. It, don't move that train.

716
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 5: Don't move the same way. At that particular time where

717
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 5: Detroit was, you know, dominant in the Eastern Conference for

718
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 5: what about four or five five years, maybe even six years.

719
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 5: I might be doing some out, but he was such

720
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 5: a dominant force on the defensive. Being bro he was

721
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 5: intimidating to some people. He was intimidate. You know, although

722
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 5: Ben's probably six six six seven, right, but six sixty

723
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 5: six seven man, he was a He was a great

724
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 5: rent protector. He wasn't going to allow anything, you know,

725
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 5: easy at the basket. He patrolling the boards. He's set

726
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 5: in mean screens and hen his teammates.

727
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: Ben was tough.

728
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 2: It's only it's only one person that I really seen

729
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: make being looked like he wasn't supposed to be out there,

730
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: and that was Tim Duncan.

731
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 3: Tim Duncan was giving him the blows. On top of that, we're.

732
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 5: Talking about for all time.

733
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 7: I know, Hey, but he's going to Hey, he's gonna

734
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 7: take somebody liked him Duncan to do that to Ben

735
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 7: Wallace right.

736
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 5: As a big man.

737
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 4: As a big man, if you're a guard or perimerive player,

738
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 4: he don't want to shoot. He gonna do all the

739
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 4: dirty work, get all the three rebounds and give you

740
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 4: the ball and set screens. Oh, then come on with

741
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 4: I get some, I get some do to stay with me, Like,

742
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 4: come on, man, you're gonna make me better. You make

743
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 4: the team.

744
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 3: Got a shock one on one, bro, Bro, think about it.

745
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 5: He was ay on the offensive, bend Bro, and they

746
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 5: still competed for championships.

747
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 4: He's a lot of failure. Yeah, it's the Hall of Fame.

748
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 4: That's crazy. That shows his impact, shows his impact.

749
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: Any big man that can guard shack one on one

750
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: for a whole.

751
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 5: Series deserve fame.

752
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 3: Man, You deserve it. Dog and win and win.

753
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

754
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: The chip though, not not nothing, the chip though, and.

755
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 4: Guarded shacks straight up pretty much. That's ultimate warrior.

756
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 5: Man. Are we going through seventy five people right now.

757
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: No, the last one right here, this.

758
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 4: Last one, MAXI having pun.

759
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 3: Last one. This is the last one. This is the

760
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: last one. Matt. We're gonna finish up with Elton Brand.

761
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: Three year peak, twenty.

762
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: One, ten rebounds for game, two blocks for game, just

763
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: upther seventeen k points everge eighteen and nine all of

764
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 2: his first eight seasons. Two time All Star nineteen ninety nine,

765
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: two thousand doll Rookie, Rookie of the Year nineteen ninety nine,

766
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: twousand Rookie Year, and All NBA two thousand and five,

767
00:36:59,080 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 2: H six.

768
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: EB was a problem to talk about.

769
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 5: Eb requ Eb is another cat with them, big menton

770
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 5: bro big hands, big body. Just he just knew how

771
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 5: to play the game, man, you know what I mean.

772
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 5: He knew how to use his body to get it

773
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 5: shot off, group on the boards, like he controlled the boards,

774
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 5: like he long arms. Like EB was a problem. Like

775
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 5: he was a twenty and ten dude. We ain't have

776
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 5: many of those. He was. He was in that class

777
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 5: of a twenty and ten type guy.

778
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 4: And he was doing as the rookie. I came into

779
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 4: Chicago right after his rookie year, and I remember the

780
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 4: marketing department had a brand of soap and it said

781
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 4: Elton brand like it looked like it was tied, and

782
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 4: it said the brands you could depend on twenty and ten.

783
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 4: He was getting twenty and ten regardless of the brand,

784
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 4: depend on twenty teen. Regardless. He was a before the game. Yes, bro, now,

785
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 4: he absolutely he was a problem. And people have no

786
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 4: idea he became a monster as well when he went

787
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 4: to the Clippers before injury. Uh, he was just a

788
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 4: problem with somebody that's underappreciated. And I talked about it enough.

789
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 5: Now that's real. You go ahead before the game, you start,

790
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 5: go ahead and put it on in the books for real.

791
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely that Hey, well well that's it, Man, T mac Man.

792
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: We appreciate you for coming on, man, working with us

793
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: and giving your opinion on the forgotten seventy five. Man,

794
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: I feel like you should have been in the top

795
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: seventy five dollars played against not just because you're my brother,

796
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: because I know what you've done for the game.

797
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 4: And all his peers know he belonging to seventy five. Yea,

798
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 4: they know that Max one of the coldest to ever

799
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 4: touch a basketball. Like we talked about the hang dribble,

800
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 4: something he brought to the game. It would be felt

801
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 4: for eternity because you can't be unguardable if you don't

802
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 4: have the hang dribble. Besides that, Mac is an artist,

803
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 4: and we're thankful for him, bro, because he's he's something different.

804
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 4: I don't know if he knows how cold he truly

805
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 4: is and was and everything or to obls is just

806
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 4: as cold. So we're excited about Obo as well.

807
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 5: Mac. I just love the game. Man work my ass off,

808
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 5: and you know it was God given talent. I just,

809
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 5: you know, put the work in to enhance that. So

810
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 5: I appreciate the compliments fellas you already know.

811
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: And once again, welcome, Welcome to Showtime, Family Man, the

812
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: OBL League. Welcome to Showtime Family Man. We're looking at

813
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: great We're looking to be a part of it. Gonna

814
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: be a great weekend in New York with the OBL

815
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 2: League and also the Javonte Davis fights.

816
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to see you, my boy.

817
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, man, I see y'all this weekend. Appreciate you fellas, Yes, sir,

818
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 5: he's mat