WEBVTT - Aftersun: Crying AND Nude?

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<v Speaker 1>Toss Popcorn is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the technology is. I'll never understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I can't become a woman in stem when I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't one to begin with.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, are we writing a musical?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we called author? Hi? I'm Sienna Jacob and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Leanna Holsten, And welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>To Tossed Popcorn, the podcast where two idiots watched every

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<v Speaker 1>film on the AFI's one hundred Greatest American Movies of

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<v Speaker 1>of that before from us. And we're now watching movies

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<v Speaker 1>by women in these trying times.

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<v Speaker 3>This podcast is a safe holiday for people who don't

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<v Speaker 3>know anything about movies. Today we're watching After Sun.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaker.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, warning there will be spoilers about this very recent

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Mescal Paul Mescal film, and just a fat content

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<v Speaker 2>warning that we will be discussing the theme of suicide

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<v Speaker 2>on this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>And and severe depression.

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<v Speaker 2>Severe depress.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know. As I was writing my summary, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like this, I need to content with this.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who knew we're.

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<v Speaker 2>You have no idea. Yeah, great, okay, all right, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to hear yours based on your vibe. Right now, Hi, Sienna,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Leanna. I'm about to watch as voice. I do

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<v Speaker 2>not know a thing about this movie. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>who's in it. I don't know when it's from, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how long it is. I don't know where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna watch it. Maybe at some points in the

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<v Speaker 2>film it will be night time.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, Maybe it's romance.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, love you bye, you knew. Let me write about

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<v Speaker 2>I had seconds before recording that, woken up from a nap,

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<v Speaker 2>Like my alarm went off and I opened the voice

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<v Speaker 2>memos at on my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally that that's how that's how it sounds. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's nice that we as humans, like when we wake

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<v Speaker 1>up from sleep, which is what we have to do,

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<v Speaker 1>our body is completely not ready to go. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>been completely used up. Yeah, such morning. Yeah, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I was sleeping on my throat.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose right on the cords.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that was an amazing prediction. She guessed that it

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<v Speaker 1>was night, and it was night many times, so it

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of the time. But next to my

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<v Speaker 1>prediction and it is a competition every week all ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Hi Leanna, this is Sienna.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about to watch the film After Sun, which I

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<v Speaker 1>have not heard of. But I'm guessing it's about vacation

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<v Speaker 1>or the summertime. Yes, somebody gets sunburned.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe it's like about it, you know, people falling

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<v Speaker 2>in love in the summer and their teenageing.

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<v Speaker 1>Not no, or it's a forbidden love story. No, I

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<v Speaker 1>love you goodbye.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking of some like what you put on

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<v Speaker 2>after you get a sun d Yeah? Is that the

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<v Speaker 2>name of a product? People know that word.

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<v Speaker 1>It gave me that vibe.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so well before we talk about what happened

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<v Speaker 2>to us watching that. Hey girl, Hey girl, Hey girl.

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<v Speaker 2>I I'll start. I'm in a mode that is has

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<v Speaker 2>not changed much since finishing this film roughly nineteen hours ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I was I woke up. I said, okay, new day,

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<v Speaker 2>New day, knew me. Yeah, But then our WiFi went

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<v Speaker 2>out for the second time in three days. And listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I work from home no many days of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said hello, and it's a like, no, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no issues in your area. It's just not connected to

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<v Speaker 2>the wall correctly. And I was like, well, it was

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<v Speaker 2>ten minutes ago, and there's not been an earthquake, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not really sure what what you feel could have

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<v Speaker 2>occurred here. So we're rocking a personal hotspot right now, totally.

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<v Speaker 2>I am pushing my monthly data limit to the limit,

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<v Speaker 2>totally with abandoned I am facetiming on cellular data and

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<v Speaker 2>doing a personal hot spot, all from about sixty six

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<v Speaker 2>percent battery on my cell phone, which is of course

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<v Speaker 2>an outdated generation of a phone, because I'm not buying

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<v Speaker 2>into that rat race. No way, I'm doing this. I

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<v Speaker 2>still use corded headphones, and you're not gonna get me,

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<v Speaker 2>although girl, uh huh, allegedly, ostensibly, perhaps I was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to think of a third adverb, but

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<v Speaker 2>this movie broke my head, so whatever. I believe that

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<v Speaker 2>the mic in my courted head phones has stopped working,

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<v Speaker 2>which means I made a phone call while on a

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<v Speaker 2>walk the other day. Oh headphones in as you do, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>But the person at the end of the line was like, hello, Hello, Hello,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't hear you Hello Hello, which is so that's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the worst states to be in emotionally, I

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<v Speaker 2>think Hello's on the receiving end of Hello, Hello, Hello,

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<v Speaker 2>because you can hear them and you are speaking, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's just going in. It's like a living nightmare. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>say it's a speaking nightmare. And what that meant is

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<v Speaker 2>that I had to unplug my headphones and hold my

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<v Speaker 2>phone up to my ear for forty minutes and speak

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<v Speaker 2>on the phone like it was the eighteen hundreds. Again.

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<v Speaker 2>I looked like an idiot. I looked like a ghost

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<v Speaker 2>from the seventeenth century. I mean, I was unrecognizable to

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<v Speaker 2>the modern world. Leanna already has a phone in my hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Leanna's face, as we've done discussed before, is very sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a period piece traditional. Yeah. Yeah, so she can

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<v Speaker 2>have got a traditional face.

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<v Speaker 1>She can easily be mistaken for another time period. So

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<v Speaker 1>she get me messing with things like being on the phone,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, or mailing a letter or something. People will

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<v Speaker 1>assume she's a No.

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<v Speaker 2>You see me on a bicycle with one big wheel

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<v Speaker 2>and one small wheel, you're gonna think it's an interaction

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<v Speaker 2>with the paranormal, which is.

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<v Speaker 1>Too bad, because that's the lines they have.

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<v Speaker 2>And get me away, keep me away from the line.

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<v Speaker 2>Bikes that are one big wheel on the wheel. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's where I'm at, just kind of all over

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<v Speaker 2>the place really pretty much nothing's working.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like we're getting by too much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hey girl, Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>Girl, Well, speaking of a personal hotspot. Uh okay home?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait? Oh no, do you have a UTI again? No,

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<v Speaker 2>but that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Wish so I could call it that. I'm dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>a personal hotspot situation. He's having trouble with my personal

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<v Speaker 1>hot spot? Oh really, are you out of data?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, no, I have a UT.

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<v Speaker 2>I I'm sorry, Please continue.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about the same kind you're talking about. Uh. I.

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<v Speaker 1>We did a White Lotus screening outside, but we forgot

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<v Speaker 1>about walls, so our WiFi didn't come through. So we

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<v Speaker 1>used my personal hot spot and I immediately got a

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<v Speaker 1>message that was like, you've seventy five percent of your

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<v Speaker 1>hotspot for the month.

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<v Speaker 2>God.

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<v Speaker 1>Fortunately I'm not wolf going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>We're on the yeah question mark, yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh it was. It was bonkers. So did you

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<v Speaker 1>finish White Lotus?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? I did. I watched it with our neighbors and

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<v Speaker 2>we were on edge for ninety minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep. The coconut milk is off.

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<v Speaker 2>The coconut milk is off, real, give me about anything

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<v Speaker 2>at any time. That's where. Yeah, right now in my home,

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<v Speaker 2>the coconut milk is off. So Sienna, could you please

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<v Speaker 2>off give us the synopsis of the film after Son.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh my god, after Son. I'm sorry, content war.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't funny. This isn't like a funny summary. No,

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<v Speaker 1>after Son, Sophie remembers her last vacation with her dad

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<v Speaker 1>before he dies by suicide. Yes, and it's about depression

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<v Speaker 1>in a big way. Mm hmm, that's that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very It goes about it very indirectly, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's not showing you things very explicitly. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean indirectly in like a critical way. I just mean, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's a lot of show don't tell, or it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's all very implied. That's the word.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot you don't tell. Yeah, I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean very certainly loving, very certainly tasteful. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it wasn't it wasn't gratuitously about somebody thinks very truthful. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was definitely carefully done. But it is a

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<v Speaker 1>very sad subject matter. But it's mostly like a girl

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<v Speaker 1>and her dad on vacation, and every now and then

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<v Speaker 1>you get glimpses of like him just not doing well

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<v Speaker 1>or regulating. You know, Well, Leanna, should we get into

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<v Speaker 1>our phone notes? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was able to highlight about three okay,

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<v Speaker 2>oh fantastic and mine. It took a while for me

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<v Speaker 2>to really clock what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, I kind of think this Okay, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>before we get into it. I think it's been clear

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<v Speaker 1>on our podcast. But we're two girls who struggle with depression. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of why we started Mama Mamas with depression

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to each other. So we didn't go crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>We made each other go outside and take a walk

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<v Speaker 2>and speak on the phone to another human. And a

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<v Speaker 2>podcast was birth.

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<v Speaker 1>Niche as as as it should be, as it should

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<v Speaker 1>come to be. Yes, so that will true people.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did when a woman and a woman are

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<v Speaker 2>both very depressed.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't sure if I missed some things that were

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<v Speaker 1>like more like directly feeding us the fact that this

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<v Speaker 1>man had depression. But I might have missed that. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it was definitely a slow okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a slow reveal, but I was kind of artistic.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this show is a good litmus test

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<v Speaker 1>for this movie is a good litmus test for how

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<v Speaker 1>much you like I feel like I usually don't understand

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<v Speaker 1>movies or like the symbolism this one. From the very beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>when he's in his room and he's like doing weird

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<v Speaker 1>things with his hands, I'm like, he's either on drugs

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<v Speaker 1>or severely depressed. Oh, because like it's both, because like

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't tell what they were telling us about the

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<v Speaker 1>dad yet, but that was the first thing. And then

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<v Speaker 1>when he.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when did you really like clock it?

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<v Speaker 1>I really clocked it when when he was staring down

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<v Speaker 1>at that carpet for a long time, which he ended

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<v Speaker 1>up lying down on, But when he was staring down

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<v Speaker 1>at it, I'm like, that man wants to be lying down.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I actually liked that it kept it as sort

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<v Speaker 1>of simple as that a lot of the time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and like later there's more. You know, he's again like

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<v Speaker 1>not like dealing with these dysregulated emotions and everything. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was honestly a very earnest depiction of somebody just

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<v Speaker 1>like being elsewhere in their mind, you know. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, when did you clock it? Okay, when did

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<v Speaker 1>you clock it? This man was depressed?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this the whole time. I had this feeling where

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, why am I so worried that this

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<v Speaker 2>guy's gonna die?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And I chalked it up to being traumatized by the

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<v Speaker 2>concept of film.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Oh, that's just me being anxious because

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<v Speaker 2>men make movies that make me feel like something's going

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<v Speaker 2>to go wrong at any time.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally.

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<v Speaker 2>But then it turned out that I was right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, oh no, I think it became pretty

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<v Speaker 2>darn obvious to me when he ran into the sea

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<v Speaker 2>in full street clothes. Yeah, that's kind of when the

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<v Speaker 2>deep of the night, I said, oh, okay, hello, hey, yeah, hmm,

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<v Speaker 2>seems like he's not long for this world.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that was intense.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck me, man, Okay, let's do our Let's get into

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<v Speaker 2>our phone notes, the segment of the podcast where we

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<v Speaker 2>read the notes that the other person took on their

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<v Speaker 2>phone while watching the film.

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<v Speaker 1>Leanna, your first note is Sienna, where are you at

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<v Speaker 1>red h Paul Mescal And it is Paul Mescal, Paul meskal.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't know off the tongue, so nicely.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Oh my god. Oh yeah, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know him. Well that's evocative.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh did I enjoy him in this film?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you did not watch the TV show Normal People? No,

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<v Speaker 2>but Leanna, I just read the book this week. I

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<v Speaker 2>read the book Sally Rooney's Normal People of another book

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<v Speaker 2>that is not good to read.

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<v Speaker 1>Feeling upon God getting back from a tour.

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<v Speaker 2>He's he's Connell in Normal People.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, I have to watch He's amazing. Oh I

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<v Speaker 1>bet he's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I bet he's I mean, maybe don't watch it

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<v Speaker 2>now while you're in your slum.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's the mama.

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<v Speaker 2>Come out of that, Come on out of that before you,

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<v Speaker 2>before you click play on Hormel People, because you'll be

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<v Speaker 2>devastated for eight, possibly ten episodes. Can't remember how long

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<v Speaker 2>it is. There's literally I mean, you'll know what's coming.

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<v Speaker 2>But my god, yeah, my god. Okay, so you're not

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<v Speaker 2>and you didn't watch Gladiator this week? Will Nope?

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<v Speaker 1>Nope. He was so wonderful though. I thought they were

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<v Speaker 1>both great, like I really did. She was spunky, she

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<v Speaker 1>was not afraid of life despite being eleven years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that child. I also thought she had the face

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<v Speaker 2>of a grown woman I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, Oh, you're the younger version of a

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<v Speaker 1>grown actress that I know. But then I realized that

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<v Speaker 1>can't be true. She's a child right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't be right, right, I know it was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>mind boggling.

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<v Speaker 1>Leanna, you said, ah, the starfish undertones of the Celtic,

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<v Speaker 1>the Celtic Celtic. But no, Ah, the starfish undertones of

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<v Speaker 1>the Celtic.

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<v Speaker 2>M m. This boy was pink pink. Little Guy Paul

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<v Speaker 2>is pink and game recognized game Mama Paul is pink

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<v Speaker 2>Pink Paul. When you go outside as someone with Celtic

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<v Speaker 2>heritage and you get a little warm, you turn pink.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a fact of life. It's unfortunate, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is true. And this film was a lot of pink Guy,

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<v Speaker 2>Pink Paul, Pink Paul filling the screen. It was like

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<v Speaker 2>a close up on the back of his neck.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, okay, oh wow, yep, that's just

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<v Speaker 1>a wash of pink your origins. Sorry, everybody, the sun

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<v Speaker 1>has come out and that's just not gonna work for

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<v Speaker 1>me and my heritage. I'm gonna go back inside wilbur

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<v Speaker 1>right back Leoni Lehana, you've said being pale on holiday

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<v Speaker 1>is so embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, because you can see everyone around you

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<v Speaker 2>getting tanner every day, and you go out again and

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<v Speaker 2>it's pink again. It's the Pink Pony Club. I I

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<v Speaker 2>attend the Pink Pony Club when I'm at the beach.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my cabana. I'm gonna keep on dancing at the

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<v Speaker 2>Pink Pony Club where I become pink because of my

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<v Speaker 2>starfish undertones. And then you return seemingly unchanged. When people

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<v Speaker 2>get back from holiday, often people are like, oh, you

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<v Speaker 2>look well, But if you're pale, it's like you either

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<v Speaker 2>you've caught sun damage and people are worried for your health,

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<v Speaker 2>or it looks like you never went anywhere in the

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<v Speaker 2>first place. How dumb pony club.

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<v Speaker 1>Leanna, you've said dinner and a show.

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<v Speaker 5>You said, dinner and a show and the show is

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<v Speaker 5>white people doing the macarena.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me my money back. That's an excellent commentary. I

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<v Speaker 1>would be pissed off dinner and a show and the

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<v Speaker 1>show is white people doing the macarena. Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was the evening's entertainment because was that the

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<v Speaker 2>karaoke night or no, no, it was a separate night.

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<v Speaker 1>That was their first dinner performers performing the macaras staff

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<v Speaker 1>at the resort.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the film was the nineties in so many ways,

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<v Speaker 2>which I did appreciate. I love a boxy Sony television

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<v Speaker 2>and a Panasonic camcorder, I love I love those. But

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<v Speaker 2>five white people in polos doing the macarena. Who some

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<v Speaker 2>things are best left in the past. Yeah, oh, this

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<v Speaker 2>is in my notes later. But I wanted to ask you,

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<v Speaker 2>do you remember what you did for your eleventh birthday?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>When she asked her dad that and he knew exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, what.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I remember other people's birthday parties too, Like

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<v Speaker 1>one time we made pajama pants for somebody's birthday. Pajama

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<v Speaker 1>He went and did like a little sewing. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like a sewing less Oh my god, because all you

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<v Speaker 1>have to do is sew one thing, and pajama pants

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much. They just like showed us how to sew

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<v Speaker 1>the draw string or something, and then there was like

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<v Speaker 1>cake deck, so the pants are already made. You know what. No,

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<v Speaker 1>we must have made him the whole way. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we made the whole ones because because they looked

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<v Speaker 1>really bad, like everybody did a really bad job.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, okay, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Were like eleven. We did a horrible job, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do remember being very excited to be eleven

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<v Speaker 1>because I love that number.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't remember what I did. I bet my

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<v Speaker 1>mom would remember. What about you? Do you remember any

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<v Speaker 1>of your.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. I know it was laser tag

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<v Speaker 2>a lot fun. Yeah, I think that's very like somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who has an older brother core total. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I went to his laser tag birthday and I was like, this, rocks,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do this.

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<v Speaker 1>That is awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it could have been laser tags fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't did it LT I did very rocks. I

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<v Speaker 1>did quiet feminine birthday parties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sewing is very quiet evil. That's nuts. Did you

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<v Speaker 2>do like milk churning.

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<v Speaker 1>Another literally for one birthday party?

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<v Speaker 2>Up the laundry?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not joking. I did a Little House on the

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<v Speaker 1>Prairie birthday party once because oh my god, I loved

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<v Speaker 1>the Little House of the Prairie when I was little. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't I don't know what was it like

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<v Speaker 2>the long dresses or the big sleeves. What was drawing

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<v Speaker 2>into the little house on the prairie.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was very a very cute read. As

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, my mom would read or Ingles Wilder, and

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<v Speaker 1>they just did very like simple tasks that as a

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<v Speaker 1>kid are in you know, like, oh, they're making maple

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<v Speaker 1>syrup and I'm like, wow, you know, it's so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And she made her own dolls out of corn husks

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<v Speaker 1>and things. But then I would watch it on TV,

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<v Speaker 1>which is funny because I think it's actually like a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty bad show just from the eighties. But I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I love this show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I'm sure there's no moment of like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>what why did these white people end up on the

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<v Speaker 2>prairie in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, of course, I will say, and you know, shame

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<v Speaker 1>on me, But I wasn't thinking about that as a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I don't know that you have to shame

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<v Speaker 2>your childhood self. Shame on me for for that one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think shame on the creators, right, and yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>shame on the Americans at the time, Shame on those

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<v Speaker 2>doing the colonization.

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<v Speaker 1>Shame on them. Speaking of shame, shame, you said if

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<v Speaker 1>I were an octopus, I would not want to be

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<v Speaker 1>on a child's head.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. When she is doing her news report

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<v Speaker 2>into the camera, she's like, the coolest thing ever just happened.

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<v Speaker 2>We went sort of scuba diving, and the diving instructor

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<v Speaker 2>put an octopus on my head, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>imagine being an octopus, just floating along, tentacling along, doing

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<v Speaker 2>crunching numbers, being intelligent, being one of the most intelligent

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<v Speaker 2>sea creatures, and then you are grabbed out of your

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts and placed onto a child's head.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah. They're very intelligent.

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<v Speaker 2>Animals, so I know they disrespect my disrespect. I would

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<v Speaker 2>not want to be on a child's head. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want that.

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<v Speaker 1>You would be such a funny octopus. You'd be so pissed. Leanna. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you've said pink get dune.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember this TikTok?

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<v Speaker 1>I do, But is the word pink in it?

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<v Speaker 2>Or you're talking it's a Scottish it's a Scottish man. Gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>this really applies so wildly in so many ways we've talked.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a Scottish man on TikTok talking about musical artists. Pink.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, of her like aerial flips, and she is

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<v Speaker 2>crazy harness stinks at her content contests, and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not one to criticize very often, but pink get done.

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<v Speaker 2>And when Paul, when pink Paul is standing on the railing,

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<v Speaker 2>the balcony railing, my first thought was, pink get done.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny to call him pink Paul. It's really cracky.

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<v Speaker 1>Pink Paul, You're a pink man.

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<v Speaker 2>Pink Paul mescal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Leanni, you said, sir, do karaoke with your daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. The way they depict a depression in

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<v Speaker 1>this is just like in way so it's like I

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<v Speaker 1>can't do that activity today. I cannot do it. It

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<v Speaker 1>was I'm not fun today. I'm not fun today.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. And it's always so hard when the not

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<v Speaker 2>fun day hits at the same time that your loved

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<v Speaker 2>one wants to be doing something Like I once had

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<v Speaker 2>a not fun day on my mom's birthday, like at

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<v Speaker 2>her birthday dinner. I was just like an incapable of

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<v Speaker 2>like yes, being there, you know totally, and I still

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<v Speaker 2>feel so bad about it. Like it's just it's like

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:45.840
<v Speaker 2>those things that are out of your control. But then

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<v Speaker 2>have an impact on others as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally so real. There was some like some party

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<v Speaker 1>for some extracurricular group in college and it was happening

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<v Speaker 1>at my house and I didn't go downstairs for it

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<v Speaker 1>the entire time mmm, And people were like what the hell?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, yeah, I just for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just having trouble getting my I feel really

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<v Speaker 1>bad because I couldn't really get my shit together. But

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<v Speaker 1>in retrospect, I'm like.

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<v Speaker 2>He was having a depressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Episode, like I couldn't go downstairs.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's nuts. It really grabs hold of you. Sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>That was sad and it comes out as like anger

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<v Speaker 1>for him, but he's just like I can't. I just

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<v Speaker 1>I m hmm, I'm unavailable. Yeah, Leanna, you've said benevolent teen.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, do you remember the Benevolent teen which

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<v Speaker 2>one comes and gives her her all access?

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<v Speaker 1>That was so nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Wristband and that was so benevolent.

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<v Speaker 1>That was so benevolent. That was a very benevolent girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Benevolent is really becoming a favorite adjective of mine recently.

0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 2>It's like a really favorite way to describe a character

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<v Speaker 2>in a show or flim very useful, useful, so benevolent.

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<v Speaker 1>Leanna you've said, Leonna, you said, oh, okay, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>naked in a sleep is better than dead, but only

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<v Speaker 1>by a little.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is right after he runs headfirst into the ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, now I know you're not earlier, I noted,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about to be really problematic about this, because I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was at that point. By that point, it

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<v Speaker 2>had become clear to me that his character, his arc

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<v Speaker 2>is like, at some point, this guy dies by suicide,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I was like, is it gonna happen during

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:37.159
<v Speaker 2>the movie? I know, And I was like, I know

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<v Speaker 2>you're not doing this on vacation while your daughter is

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<v Speaker 2>not even in the hotel. I know that's wrong, which

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<v Speaker 2>is problematic of me to have as an opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>You must seen, also said, I said, very similar vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, certain, you cannot be that unwell, which is like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's problematic. But what I meant is like, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna leave your daughter, like I just yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>uh uh. And he does full in a way that

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:04.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm not drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was feeling all of those things and I

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:09.120
<v Speaker 2>was like, you are not, No, that is wrong, and

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 2>then it turned out that he'd like done that while

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:13.400
<v Speaker 2>he was like, you know, many beards deep, and then

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:17.119
<v Speaker 2>came back and took all his wet clothes off and

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:19.439
<v Speaker 2>then passed out in the bed. And so by that

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:21.920
<v Speaker 2>point I was like, oh, I guess naked and asleep

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:25.159
<v Speaker 2>is better than dead. But then I remembered that he

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:30.360
<v Speaker 2>was nude, and I said, well, only by a little you.

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:38.239
<v Speaker 2>It is not appropriate to be nude, not applyings are

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 2>like a little more chill around nudity. Yeah, yeah, it's

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:43.760
<v Speaker 2>not so insane to them.

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Impression of a lot of like British comedies, like I

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 1>remember we used to watch like The Vicar of Dibley

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:53.439
<v Speaker 1>and stuff, and there's a lot of like butt like

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 1>you would like see your father would fall asleep and

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:58.680
<v Speaker 1>you'd see his butt and it would be like, Oi,

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<v Speaker 1>OHI cover your arms.

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:10.439
<v Speaker 2>Huh. Oh sure, a lot of bunt humor, mooning, very moaning.

0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:12.440
<v Speaker 1>It's a mooning heavy Oh my god.

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, god, you're right. I always have just managed to

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:19.199
<v Speaker 2>forget that I got mooned, and then you you helped me.

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Remember life finds a way.

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 2>We've come full circle, if you will. It was so

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:34.840
<v Speaker 2>square in that window though it was hard to come

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 2>perfectly square arse, very squared.

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 1>But Leanna, you've said I once slept through several wake

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>up calls and the front desk were very annoyed with me.

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, when was.

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 2>That sorry to the front desk. This was in twenty

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 2>twelve and we were staying in a fancy hotel and

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 2>I I sleep through anything. As we've discussed a few

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 2>times on the pop. I've slept through earthquakes, I've slept

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 2>through fire alarms, I think no. Oh no, I've slept

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 2>through exams.

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh.

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 2>And I did not hear this demure phone ringing, because

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 2>of course it was a fancy hotel, so it had

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 2>this like tweet like hell, hell, hello, you are receiving

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 2>a call. Hello. I'm not hearing that through my cacophony

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 2>of insane dreams that my head produces every evening.

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 1>There's like that's not breaking through metal screaming happening in

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 1>your head.

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 2>There's like seagulls for some reason, and everything's kind of

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 2>my childhood home but slightly different. We're trying to break

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 2>through that with a polite phone to tone. I don't

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 2>think so, but I heard in the voice of the

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:57.000
<v Speaker 2>person that they were very done with ringing this number.

0:29:57.680 --> 0:29:59.239
<v Speaker 1>And you were there in the room alone. Had your

0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 1>family gone off to high or something? No offense? You guys,

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 1>that's a positive.

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Yours family's just so different than my family in this way.

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 2>My parents were in a different room, and my brother

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 2>was not on the trip. Okay, he was in college

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 2>at that point.

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Gotcha? Were they climbing something? No offense?

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Did a benevolent team just gift you their all access wristband?

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 2>Don't get yourself a fruity beverage. We'll see you in

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 2>a few minutes.

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Leanna, you've said all your your your your your notes

0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 1>are just such a they're they're ping ponging emotionally. Leon

0:30:55.840 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 1>you've said, I'm sorry, okay, it's kind of breaking my heart. Yeah,

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>that was because he.

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:08.479
<v Speaker 2>Just wants, like he feels so bad that he couldn't

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:10.480
<v Speaker 2>be there for her and like do karaoke with her,

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 2>and he also wants her forgiveness, so he just wants

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 2>it to be okay. So like saying i'm sorry is

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 2>so different from saying I'm sorry okay, question Mark, like

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm really sorry, and also please make this better, like

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 2>right now, like please assuage my guilt over this immediately

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 2>and it was just again, it all felt very truthful.

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that was a little heart bracking a little bit,

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 2>a little bit.

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Oh their relationship was so sweet.

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh he's so unwell, so unwell, I really, Leoni, you said,

0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 1>off he goes to Starr and Gladiator too.

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, when they were in that ruin and he

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 2>was climbing up to the top of it right before

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 2>they sing him like happy birthday or whatever. The British

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 2>song version of that is nothing at all, but before

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 2>he feels nothing when his back is to the camera,

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 2>I said. There. He goes into the set of Ancient Realm,

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 2>into the coliseum.

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.520
<v Speaker 1>When he was standing up there, they're singing, you know,

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 1>for he's a jolly good.

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Friend, He's a jolly good pink Paul.

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, they didn't say that for any listeners, just so

0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 6>you know, that's inaccurate, what Leanna, you've said.

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 1>All right, your final notes. This one I almost brought

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 1>up earlier because they made me laugh. But I'm glad

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 1>I waited till that, which is this is like a

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>very poignant and devastating moment of the film, and Lean

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 1>has written crying and nude, beyond inappropriate, all the way

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 1>to unacceptable. He's literally in his most vulnerable state, cannot

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 1>get a handle on his life. We see when he's alone,

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:24.680
<v Speaker 1>he struggles so much. He's crying. He's raw, crying and nude.

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 4>You can't be nude crying and nude.

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 7>Yes, no, no, sir, I understand depression, but that is too.

0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Draw the line at nude. Stop being nude. Cover up.

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.160
<v Speaker 1>You do not need to be nude to be depressed.

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Throw on a short here's a towel.

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Beyond inappropriate, all the way to unacceptable. So the crying

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:15.720
<v Speaker 1>makes it worse. I don't know what you were so pink,

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 1>So it was he just was nude. And I know

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>you're feeling a lot of emotions, but I can't perceive

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:28.759
<v Speaker 1>them when you are nude. By the way, it was

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:31.160
<v Speaker 1>from the back, like we didn't see anything.

0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh, but it was clear you saw nothing.

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 1>It was you were supposed to know he's nude. I'm

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>just saying, like, it's not like we were assaulted with

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>with like somebody with a very raw naked body. It

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 1>was like just his back.

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:48.960
<v Speaker 2>And you know, he was so pink, the whole back

0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:51.160
<v Speaker 2>a pink canvas.

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Pink with sadness, pink with inherented.

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:59.840
<v Speaker 2>God, the exertion of tears. Mm hmmm. If you are

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.719
<v Speaker 2>going to cry, great, happy for you that you are

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 2>processing and experiencing that emotion, But you need to have

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 2>at least two layers on.

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 1>This is right after when his daughter got a bunch

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:14.720
<v Speaker 1>of people to sing Happy Birthday to him, he felt nothing,

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:17.760
<v Speaker 1>and then we see him alone at his most vulnerable state,

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 1>crying his eyes out, alone when he's away from his daughter.

0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Nude and nude, I just.

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Sitting on something while nude. I don't think that's right.

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Put something between the hole anywhere and thed.

0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 1>You've never sat down while nude?

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:39.239
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not doing that.

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:46.759
<v Speaker 1>Nakedness is for standing moments before you've gotten dressed, seconds

0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:55.319
<v Speaker 1>in the shower, and you don't look.

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Showering is very hard for me because I do not

0:35:55.680 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 2>look down. That is not the.

0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 1>One good thing is that I do. I am able

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 1>to stand, which I must do when I am nude.

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:11.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm only ever vertical if I'm nude.

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:14.800
<v Speaker 1>My naked, my naked bottom has never felt the touch

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:15.879
<v Speaker 1>of a seat.

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Or an Obno, oh, my goodness me, no, I just

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 2>it's polite I think it's a bit of decorum to

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:30.960
<v Speaker 2>put something between you and and the the object, the furniture.

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, on your final note is this film left me troubled,

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 1>which I think is the intention.

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:42.760
<v Speaker 2>I typed that, and the whole time I was like, okay,

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 2>all right, all right, I see what's okay? Yeah, And

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 2>then I typed that, and then the credits started and

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I heaved a sob and then I did not stop crying. Yeah,

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I was crying like an hour were yeah, like racked

0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 2>with like big something. My flatmate came home and walked

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 2>into the room and I was like hey, and they

0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 2>were like what. And I was like, we had to

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:12.800
<v Speaker 2>watch After Sun for the podcast, and they were.

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:19.359
<v Speaker 1>Like, oh, yeah, that happened. My friend called me right

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:21.320
<v Speaker 1>as it ended, and I just I couldn't. I couldn't

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 1>pick up Yeah, but I'm like I can't, No, I

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>need a minute, no, no.

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:32.320
<v Speaker 2>And I famously cannot cry on these meds that I'm on,

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 2>uh huh, which is like, I think, kind of a

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 2>negative side effect TVH Like, there are often times where

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:40.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm like I wish I could cry, just to like

0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 2>feel these feelings and process them and move through this.

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:49.120
<v Speaker 2>But the pros are outweighing the cons so vastly that yeah,

0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:53.880
<v Speaker 2>mama's medicated. And so the fact that it was like,

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean the again, the activation energy or whatever to

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:00.520
<v Speaker 2>get me to cry is so high and this shot

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:04.360
<v Speaker 2>past that pushed me right over the edge. Wow, hello,

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 2>my damn lord.

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the the ending for people heavy sobs, it was

0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 1>like we see him dancing in this room throughout, and

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 1>at first when it was like happening, I was confused,

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 1>like what rave is this?

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:21.480
<v Speaker 2>I was absolutely I was confusing.

0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Was then it turns out it's like that's representing him

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.359
<v Speaker 1>in his in his depression, like elsewhere in his.

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 2>But she's also there because adult self, as.

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:37.439
<v Speaker 1>An adult, she gets it because she she's his daughter,

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 1>she has the same thing. She also deals with it,

0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 1>and so she's later she's watching his young self in

0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:45.000
<v Speaker 1>this rave and she tries to hug him.

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:47.719
<v Speaker 2>She tries to like hold on to him. Yeah, well

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:49.040
<v Speaker 2>like kind of get him back.

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:53.160
<v Speaker 1>He's alone in there, and and then when he turns

0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:56.399
<v Speaker 1>and walks in there after he says good bye to her,

0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 1>it just takes over him.

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a very well uh executed ending, and

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 2>it made it all make sense.

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 1>I found it all very beautiful, beautiful in that way

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:16.839
<v Speaker 1>like who the person who clearly made it like thought

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:18.719
<v Speaker 1>a lot about how to represent these feelings. It was

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:25.360
<v Speaker 1>very like honest and m like compassionate.

0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:25.759
<v Speaker 7>You know.

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:27.799
<v Speaker 1>It didn't feel just like I feel like it's really

0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:32.239
<v Speaker 1>easy to make depression, to feel like this sort of

0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:37.200
<v Speaker 1>like this inescapable on we and it's kind of like

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:40.479
<v Speaker 1>let's watch somebody feel nothing. But it's not like he's

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:42.960
<v Speaker 1>like he's trying and he loves his daughter and he

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I don't know. It just wasn't extremely gratuitous.

0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.800
<v Speaker 1>It was just really sad. It was really sad.

0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, oh gosh, well.

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Shall we move on to.

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's move on to badges. Trages where we award

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 2>badges for burns, comma sun being avoided, and tragedy they

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 2>were doing they were doing skin coverage.

0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:16.399
<v Speaker 1>They were because they know, and trages for.

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Trauma Turkish vacations that lead to processing trauma. Yeah, I

0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:32.360
<v Speaker 2>have a badge for throwing roles at the white people

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 2>doing the macca and then running away. I loved that

0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:38.879
<v Speaker 2>when he was like, let's throw roles at them.

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 1>She was like, yes, I have a badge for the

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 1>just sweet father daughter relationship. It's really sad to think

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 1>that he doesn't think he's going to be there forever.

0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 1>But the things that they were like comfortable talking to

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 1>each other about and everything was so sweet and they

0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 1>had so much fun. I don't know, it was just

0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:00.399
<v Speaker 1>like a really sweet frame and hip.

0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:05.080
<v Speaker 2>I have a badge for a hair rap. Oh when

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:07.840
<v Speaker 2>she gets that hair rap where you take a little

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 2>a tube of hair and you wrap string around it

0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 2>in an artsy way, that took me back. Oh man,

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, the little.

0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Thing in her hair. Absolutely, yes, so cool. So you

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 1>come back from vacation to school. Sorry I was on vacation.

0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Sorry yeah, sorry, actually sorry. Badge for Okay, I'm kind

0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 2>of obsessed with this kid from the motorbike game, that

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 2>boy who comes and races with her on the motorbike game.

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 2>And then later they're at the indoor pool and he goes,

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a great swimmer, so it suits me, and

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:46.880
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my gosh, okay, I love you.

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:55.320
<v Speaker 2>I just loved it, so it suits me. So funny

0:41:55.400 --> 0:42:00.359
<v Speaker 2>that boy is honest and mm hmm respectful, respect boy.

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:03.759
<v Speaker 1>I'd say I have a badge for I just it

0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:09.400
<v Speaker 1>just felt good to understand a movie and part of

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 1>it I'm like, ah, because like depression is something I

0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 1>think about and I'm interested in. But also it was

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:16.960
<v Speaker 1>just I think it was just a really good movie

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:22.000
<v Speaker 1>in terms of getting across the symbolism and everything. Yeah,

0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I just it's so nice to have

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 1>symbolism be in like a rave and not a naked

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 1>woman for some reason, you.

0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Know what I mean.

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's always something horrible that I don't understand usually,

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:40.640
<v Speaker 1>or like someone's getting hurt, like someone was hurting, but

0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:43.719
<v Speaker 1>no one gets like nothing bad happens to somebody for

0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:49.560
<v Speaker 1>no reason besides their own tragic experience. You know what

0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:51.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean. I don't know, I do.

0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:54.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it again, it was just offling a badge to

0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:59.120
<v Speaker 2>that as well. It was so truthful that moment where

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:01.920
<v Speaker 2>we see her her adult self at the age that

0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:04.480
<v Speaker 2>he was, and he's also there and she's trying to

0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:08.600
<v Speaker 2>like hold on to him. Yeah, because like one of

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:12.759
<v Speaker 2>the common things that people who've like lost somebody close

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:16.120
<v Speaker 2>to them to suicide feel is this like need to

0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:20.279
<v Speaker 2>control everything around you and this because it feels like

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:24.120
<v Speaker 2>something that's just so Yeah, it's it's like that is

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:26.879
<v Speaker 2>such a comforting thought of this, This like being able

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:29.800
<v Speaker 2>to really know what's gonna happen with everything around you,

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:32.880
<v Speaker 2>and that everybody around you is like safe and you

0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:35.400
<v Speaker 2>know where they are and what they're what they're gonna do.

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:42.239
<v Speaker 2>So that was just that that resonated so much. WHOA yeah, Oh,

0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 2>I have a badge for shoving a child away from

0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:47.879
<v Speaker 2>you by their head when he pushes her away by

0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:52.120
<v Speaker 2>her head. I said, yeah, yes, And my final badge

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:54.840
<v Speaker 2>is bunny Ears doing bunny Ears in a photo. We

0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:57.400
<v Speaker 2>need to bring bunny Ears back. When he gets a

0:43:57.400 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 2>photo with her and he does bunny Ears behind her,

0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:02.440
<v Speaker 2>I said, I miss the nineties.

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:05.479
<v Speaker 1>When bunny Ears was at the top of its game.

0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Bunny Ears was so funny, it was fresh. I'm gonna

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:12.000
<v Speaker 2>do it. We must do it. We must bring bunny

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Ears back.

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Tragis tragis you go first? Because I have a few.

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:22.400
<v Speaker 2>I have a trage for too jarring, a style for

0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:26.880
<v Speaker 2>having just woken up from a nap. Because the first

0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:31.400
<v Speaker 2>thing is the rave imagery and I was like, whoa yeah.

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.400
<v Speaker 1>I will say I was like kind of on my

0:44:33.440 --> 0:44:35.600
<v Speaker 1>computer at first because I was trying to get some

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:37.440
<v Speaker 1>things done and this was not the right movie to

0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:41.000
<v Speaker 1>be kind of on your computer for I had to

0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 1>close it. My main trage is just kids like tweens

0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:53.360
<v Speaker 1>like talking about sex. I think is very inappropriate. Like

0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:55.359
<v Speaker 1>early when she was in the room and she they're

0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:59.800
<v Speaker 1>talking about like one a kid says the word come

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:02.360
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, absolutely not, you should not know

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:06.919
<v Speaker 1>that word. The girls in the bathroom, Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:10.960
<v Speaker 1>And she's younger mm hmmm. And what I did like,

0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:13.240
<v Speaker 1>is that a lot of all that stuff she's hearing.

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I think it did a good job of like she's

0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:17.400
<v Speaker 1>just like a young tweet and she's just hearing things.

0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:19.600
<v Speaker 1>And when you're a kid, like you're really tuned into

0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:22.880
<v Speaker 1>that stuff. It wasn't like anything weird happens or she

0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 1>does anything where you like, yeah, she does everything that's

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 1>like comfortable, but she's she's really clocked into hearing that's white.

0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:29.840
<v Speaker 1>That's like very real.

0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 2>But I'm just like, you are a child, You are

0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:36.920
<v Speaker 2>a child. You should be playing with American girl dolls. Everyone,

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.160
<v Speaker 2>everyone should be watching Little House on the Prairie, appointment.

0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Viewing, yeah, not understanding the colonial overtones.

0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:50.440
<v Speaker 2>I have a trage for shoes on the bed. She's

0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 2>very much in her travel with shoes on the bed

0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:57.120
<v Speaker 2>and I said, no, yeah, mm hmmm, a trage for

0:45:57.360 --> 0:46:01.319
<v Speaker 2>don't spit on the mirror. That was crazy, sir.

0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:03.759
<v Speaker 1>I know you're impressed, but don't be spitting on the

0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:04.319
<v Speaker 1>mirror like.

0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:06.279
<v Speaker 2>You're not that on it. I felt like, you're gonna

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:07.239
<v Speaker 2>do it, wipe it off?

0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, why what? What is the benefits? Gross explained to

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:12.840
<v Speaker 1>me the benefit of spitting on the mirror.

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:15.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't like the image of something left on a mirror.

0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:17.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't like that. M Yeah. And my final trage

0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:19.880
<v Speaker 2>is you know what, uh not for me?

0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 1>This was not for you.

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 2>This film was not for me, and I thought it

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:28.799
<v Speaker 2>was really red tire. I did not enjoy watching it.

0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:31.960
<v Speaker 2>And I think, well, we'll get into it in the

0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 2>segment should you watch this or but yeah, that's my

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:35.440
<v Speaker 2>final trage.

0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 1>I think that's completely fair, as this movie was not chill.

0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:42.800
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:46.759
<v Speaker 1>I was very affected by I had to go like

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:48.719
<v Speaker 1>set up for my show after that, and I was like,

0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to talk to anybody. I feel very

0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:52.800
<v Speaker 1>very sad.

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I cannot imagine going somewhere after watching this.

0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, today I'm feeling very like I liked it. I

0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 1>thought that a lot was really beautiful and I'm like

0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:07.840
<v Speaker 1>appreciative of how careful it was about things, but like

0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:12.320
<v Speaker 1>it was, I was not feeling chill.

0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:13.719
<v Speaker 2>I was not feeling chill.

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, Leanna, let's move on to our next segment, of course,

0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:20.800
<v Speaker 1>which is, uh, how to pretend you've seen this film.

0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:27.560
<v Speaker 1>This is for you are at at a resort out

0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:30.560
<v Speaker 1>there on at the beach, you're having you just got

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:33.160
<v Speaker 1>out from swimming, and you're enjoying some chicken nuggets or nachos,

0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:39.040
<v Speaker 1>and life is life is good. And then some random

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:41.960
<v Speaker 1>what was the like motorbike kid's name, like Michael or

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:45.760
<v Speaker 1>Matthew or something I don't remember, let's say it's Michael. Sure,

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Michael comes up to you and says oi O.

0:47:54.239 --> 0:48:03.399
<v Speaker 2>Paddington style way, oh uh, And you're like, whoa, hey,

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:06.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to enjoy my chicken nuggets and my

0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 2>virgin Pina Colada in peace.

0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:10.239
<v Speaker 1>I saw you at the motor box earlier. I thought

0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:19.800
<v Speaker 1>you might want to see me bum.

0:48:16.239 --> 0:48:20.360
<v Speaker 2>A man from absolutely wherever, from everywhere, unknowable place.

0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:23.320
<v Speaker 1>You might think it's.

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Funny if I moon you.

0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then also in addition to that, the funniest

0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:30.800
<v Speaker 1>thing in the world. Oh yeah, I was thinking maybe

0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:33.719
<v Speaker 1>we could talk about a movie that everybody wants to

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:41.000
<v Speaker 1>talk about at any given time, the chilliest movie of

0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:43.320
<v Speaker 1>all time, After Sun.

0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:48.359
<v Speaker 2>And in order to cover Michael in Suncream so he

0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:51.239
<v Speaker 2>cannot he's too slippery to speak, We're gonna give you

0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:53.759
<v Speaker 2>a few sentences you can say to pretend you've seen

0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:58.560
<v Speaker 2>the film after Son. Yes, Michael, I've seen After Sun.

0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh and in order to deflect experiencing the deep emotions

0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:06.880
<v Speaker 2>I feel around it, here is an insult that I

0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:11.440
<v Speaker 2>thought of for Paul Meskal's character when he has that

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:14.320
<v Speaker 2>cast on his wrist in the first half of the film.

0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:18.800
<v Speaker 2>This is what I would have called him. Dear Evan

0:49:18.840 --> 0:49:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Hansen asked, thanks for.

0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Revving up for that. Dear Evan Hansen ass aw, Yes, Michael,

0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:41.359
<v Speaker 1>I've seen the film after Son. A reason this movie

0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 1>could get a lot of praise is because of how

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:48.799
<v Speaker 1>natural the father and daughter seemed, and according to Paul

0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:52.759
<v Speaker 1>Meskal in an interview, he and Frankie Corio, who played

0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Sophie the daughter, spent two weeks prior to filming in

0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:58.560
<v Speaker 1>a hotel resort on holiday to form a bond that

0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:02.360
<v Speaker 1>was needed to portray the daughter relationship while filming, I

0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:04.319
<v Speaker 1>feel like they should say that also parents were there

0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:07.480
<v Speaker 1>and stuff, which I'm sure they were, but that's fun

0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:09.560
<v Speaker 1>that they just like in order to prep for the movie,

0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:11.279
<v Speaker 1>They're like, we all need to go on vacation and

0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:14.440
<v Speaker 1>have fun, Yeah, in order to be authentic, and they

0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:15.640
<v Speaker 1>were there. Was very authentic.

0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:17.719
<v Speaker 2>That's so real too, because I bet they also got

0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:19.560
<v Speaker 2>like a little sick of one another, as you do

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:27.120
<v Speaker 2>on vacations. Yeah, especially long ones. Yeah. M yes, Michael.

0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:31.680
<v Speaker 2>I've seen Aftersun. The scene where he is teaching her

0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:35.279
<v Speaker 2>self defense but getting frustrated that she's not getting it

0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:39.000
<v Speaker 2>felt very like when your dad tries to help you

0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:43.560
<v Speaker 2>with your math homework and you both end up confused

0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:50.040
<v Speaker 2>and angry, but most of all confused and pink with.

0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Ray and pink with rage.

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Dad's helping parents having to relearn math to help their

0:50:56.640 --> 0:50:58.799
<v Speaker 2>kids with math homework is an epidemic.

0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Wow, Oh my gosh. I did think about this some nights.

0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Paul Meskell and Frankie Corio play father and daughter in

0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:09.000
<v Speaker 1>the film, even though there isn't only a fourteen year

0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:10.799
<v Speaker 1>age difference between them.

0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:14.279
<v Speaker 2>He was like so young when he found this. He

0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:17.000
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be like twenty five or twenty six.

0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Really, oh my god. Yeah, because he's supposed to be

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:22.240
<v Speaker 1>a young dad like in Israeli. Yeah, and she's supposed

0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:23.440
<v Speaker 1>to be eleven, but I guess she's probably a.

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Little turning thirty one yeah, nuts, fourteen?

0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Why is he so young? That's too young?

0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:36.560
<v Speaker 2>I think this This was relatively hot off the presses

0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:40.160
<v Speaker 2>of normal people, and he was hot, hot property. He

0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:44.719
<v Speaker 2>was a personal hot spot after that show, everybody was

0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:50.360
<v Speaker 2>trying to snap him up. Yes, Michael, I've seen after Son.

0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:55.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, at the end of the day, he is

0:51:55.239 --> 0:52:00.719
<v Speaker 2>a very good parent. He just has depression. Mm hm.

0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 2>And that's rough.

0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:05.439
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:08.920
<v Speaker 2>God, the number of times I'd have to say to

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:11.960
<v Speaker 2>a child, I'm really sorry, I'm just I'm just really

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:15.640
<v Speaker 2>tired this. But that's because like the number of times

0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:18.120
<v Speaker 2>I would snap at a child for doing something stupid

0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:25.480
<v Speaker 2>and dumb and annoying and loud. Anyway, this unfortunately made

0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:29.680
<v Speaker 2>me be like, okay, another reason not to have children, literally,

0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:33.160
<v Speaker 2>like that is so rough. Mm hmm.

0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:36.960
<v Speaker 1>This is interesting. Uh, yes, yes, Michael, I have seen

0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:40.240
<v Speaker 1>the film After Sun. I'm trying to read this trivia

0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:45.520
<v Speaker 1>here where Charlotte Wells stated recently that in the two

0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:49.120
<v Speaker 1>week rehearsal period when the cast and crew would do

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:56.040
<v Speaker 1>read throughs, her script purposefully did not contain any scenes

0:52:56.080 --> 0:53:01.920
<v Speaker 1>where uh callum was alone, which is really where we

0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:05.319
<v Speaker 1>see his depression. So that hm, so that it was

0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:09.440
<v Speaker 1>sort of mysterious for Sophie as she's experiencing it, to

0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:16.719
<v Speaker 1>like highlight that you know she's not aware. Yeah, that's

0:53:16.719 --> 0:53:18.120
<v Speaker 1>interesting too because I think a lot of them when

0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:22.080
<v Speaker 1>he's alone, they were barely seen. It's more just shots

0:53:22.120 --> 0:53:24.200
<v Speaker 1>of him nude and crying.

0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm.

0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:29.799
<v Speaker 1>No, that's not to be clear that it's not that

0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:31.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not every time he's alone.

0:53:31.880 --> 0:53:38.800
<v Speaker 2>On bel he gets nude and he cries the second

0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:39.320
<v Speaker 2>he's alone.

0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh after some that movie about the guy who gets

0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:44.520
<v Speaker 1>nude and cries. That is not what the film was

0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:48.239
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be about. Yeah, you tried telling me it wasn't.

0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, Well would take away for me?

0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Should we move on to our next segment, which is, uh,

0:53:54.600 --> 0:53:56.399
<v Speaker 1>should you watch this? Or I believe that you had

0:53:56.600 --> 0:53:58.000
<v Speaker 1>a suggestion for should you watch this?

0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Org Okay, this is where we tell you if we

0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:02.920
<v Speaker 2>think you should watch the movie or if you should

0:54:02.960 --> 0:54:05.880
<v Speaker 2>do something else. I would say about after Son.

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:07.319
<v Speaker 1>If you.

0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Have a personal connection to suicide and have lost a

0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:21.239
<v Speaker 2>dear somebody who is dear to you who died by suicide, Hey,

0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:24.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe don't watch this film.

0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:26.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry.

0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:28.840
<v Speaker 2>You will be confronting.

0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Wow, I'm so sorry.

0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:37.080
<v Speaker 2>But conversely, if you are on meds that make it

0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:40.080
<v Speaker 2>difficult to cry and you'd really like to cry, and

0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:43.520
<v Speaker 2>you've lost somebody very dear to you to suicide, hey,

0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:48.759
<v Speaker 2>absolutely check out after Son. If neither of those are

0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:52.760
<v Speaker 2>the case, Yeah, it's worth a watch. Beautiful, beautiful film.

0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:56.760
<v Speaker 2>So no suggest strong acting, a little bit of nudity

0:54:56.760 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 2>from the back though. If you don't want to watch

0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:03.600
<v Speaker 2>this but you want to see a great pal mescal performance,

0:55:03.640 --> 0:55:05.919
<v Speaker 2>I think he slaps in normal people. I think he's

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:10.319
<v Speaker 2>very good in it. And if you want something that's

0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Brits on holiday but stupid, you can watch ben a

0:55:15.160 --> 0:55:18.000
<v Speaker 2>dorm a show I've seen like two episodes of a

0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 2>while ago. Mm hmm, and it's very silly, Seanna, what

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<v Speaker 2>would you say? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I'm so sorry about this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>We literally had no I was lolling I was lolling

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<v Speaker 2>so much at us last week, being like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know what that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is, like Summer Romance. I was, Yeah, I would say

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<v Speaker 1>I really thought this movie did a beautiful job. I

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<v Speaker 1>would not watch it without knowing what you were doing,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's so intense. It's like very melancholy. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>give any answers. It's just like, this is really sad

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<v Speaker 1>and life can be really hard, and yeah, like people

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<v Speaker 1>you love can struggle. It was really really sad. So though,

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<v Speaker 1>I like, if you want to watch a movie that

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<v Speaker 1>deals with those ideas, I think that this one is

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<v Speaker 1>really tasteful and it's very beautiful and very thoughtful. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you are not in a place for that, which

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<v Speaker 1>I would really consider, something you could watch, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite. If you're feeling any of these things and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to see anything like it, you could

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<v Speaker 1>watch the show Ghosts, the British Ghosts, which Leanna put

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<v Speaker 1>me onto, which is so delightful and I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of like a depression blaster, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>I might watch it after this, after we've done OI this.

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<v Speaker 2>They kind of go for a ghost ree watch. I

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<v Speaker 2>love this idea fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>This film though, very beautiful, and I'm grateful that somebody

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<v Speaker 1>thoughtfully made it. I really don't have takes about why

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<v Speaker 1>how it could have been better in what it was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do. It did a great job. But after

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<v Speaker 1>watching it, it really makes me want to watch Ghosts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you need a little antidote, Sianna. What would you

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<v Speaker 2>rate the film? After Son?

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<v Speaker 1>I would give after Son four point eight all inclusive

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<v Speaker 1>bracelets out of five, But again, I really think it

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<v Speaker 1>nailed what it was doing. I would take those point

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<v Speaker 1>two off for just like how messed up, how difficult

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<v Speaker 1>it is. But I really I thought it was great.

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<v Speaker 2>M yes, slave but terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Leanna. What would you rate it?

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<v Speaker 2>I would give after Son two bunny ears out of five.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally.

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<v Speaker 2>That's entirely for personal reasons, not for me, Mama, totally,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it really did a great job at

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<v Speaker 2>what it set out to do and I never want

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<v Speaker 2>to see it again.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally completely. It was It was crazy that this is

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<v Speaker 1>what this movie was. Yeah, whoa, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's been tossed Popcorn's review of after Sun. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>everyone so much for listening. We are on Instagram at

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<v Speaker 1>Literally, the first two movies we've watched coming Back have

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<v Speaker 1>been some of the most vulnerable, heavy, heavy m.

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<v Speaker 2>Dealing with things.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess this is what you get when you watch

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<v Speaker 1>movies by women.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoo whoops. Oh. We are also on Patreon for bonus

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<v Speaker 2>of each of us. Sianna, Jacob and are you still

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<v Speaker 2>at Siana, Benna Jake.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you forgot your own name for a second and.

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<v Speaker 2>I would not put it past this day. Yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 2>personal hot spotted out and at leonhold and join us

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<v Speaker 2>next week when we will be watching I know what

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<v Speaker 2>it is Jemmy to just say, yeah, the Marvels, it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be good. Can I say something to this? Can

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<v Speaker 2>I do a rare thing? It's not a spoiler alert,

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<v Speaker 2>but can I set the mood for you for this film?

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<v Speaker 2>Just go into it expecting to have a stupid time. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I will, Okay, all right, we have earned that, We've

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<v Speaker 2>earned a stupid time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, just a.

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<v Speaker 2>Silly and stupid rob Okay, wonderful. We'll see you then,

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<v Speaker 1>so good. I've not heard of that. Oh yeah, Alemon so.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn my god, remember rang Gina, Yes, so good that

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<v Speaker 2>in that fat bottomed bottle.

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<v Speaker 1>You really made the most of this traumatizing film experience

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<v Speaker 1>because your notes. Your notes really cracked me up.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta be silly in the face of severe

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<v Speaker 1>Crying and nude