Speaker 1: Toss Popcorn is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the technology is. I'll never understand it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I can't become a woman in stem when I
Speaker 1: wasn't one to begin with.
Speaker 2: Okay, are we writing a musical?
Speaker 1: Hi?
Speaker 2: Are we called author? Hi? I'm Sienna Jacob and I'm
Speaker 2: Leanna Holsten, And welcome.
Speaker 1: To Tossed Popcorn, the podcast where two idiots watched every
Speaker 1: film on the AFI's one hundred Greatest American Movies of
Speaker 1: All Time, the very slightly less racist tenth anniversary edition.
Speaker 1: You know, go listen to it if you haven't heard
Speaker 1: of that before from us. And we're now watching movies
Speaker 1: by women in these trying times.
Speaker 3: This podcast is a safe holiday for people who don't
Speaker 3: know anything about movies. Today we're watching After Sun.
Speaker 2: Speaker.
Speaker 1: Yeah totally.
Speaker 2: Hey, warning there will be spoilers about this very recent
Speaker 2: Paul Mescal Paul Mescal film, and just a fat content
Speaker 2: warning that we will be discussing the theme of suicide
Speaker 2: on this episode.
Speaker 1: And and severe depression.
Speaker 2: Severe depress.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. As I was writing my summary, I
Speaker 1: was like this, I need to content with this.
Speaker 3: Hey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who knew we're.
Speaker 2: You have no idea. Yeah, great, okay, all right, I'd
Speaker 2: love to hear yours based on your vibe. Right now, Hi, Sienna,
Speaker 2: it's Leanna. I'm about to watch as voice. I do
Speaker 2: not know a thing about this movie. I don't know
Speaker 2: who's in it. I don't know when it's from, I
Speaker 2: don't know how long it is. I don't know where
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch it. Maybe at some points in the
Speaker 2: film it will be night time.
Speaker 1: You're right, Maybe it's romance.
Speaker 2: Nope, love you bye, you knew. Let me write about
Speaker 2: I had seconds before recording that, woken up from a nap,
Speaker 2: Like my alarm went off and I opened the voice
Speaker 2: memos at on my phone.
Speaker 1: Totally that that's how that's how it sounds. I think
Speaker 1: it's nice that we as humans, like when we wake
Speaker 1: up from sleep, which is what we have to do,
Speaker 1: our body is completely not ready to go. It's like
Speaker 1: been completely used up. Yeah, such morning. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: I was sleeping on my throat.
Speaker 2: I suppose right on the cords.
Speaker 1: Well, that was an amazing prediction. She guessed that it
Speaker 1: was night, and it was night many times, so it
Speaker 1: was a lot of the time. But next to my
Speaker 1: prediction and it is a competition every week all ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hi Leanna, this is Sienna.
Speaker 1: I'm about to watch the film After Sun, which I
Speaker 1: have not heard of. But I'm guessing it's about vacation
Speaker 1: or the summertime. Yes, somebody gets sunburned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's like about it, you know, people falling
Speaker 2: in love in the summer and their teenageing.
Speaker 1: Not no, or it's a forbidden love story. No, I
Speaker 1: love you goodbye.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was thinking of some like what you put on
Speaker 2: after you get a sun d Yeah? Is that the
Speaker 2: name of a product? People know that word.
Speaker 1: It gave me that vibe.
Speaker 2: I think so well before we talk about what happened
Speaker 2: to us watching that. Hey girl, Hey girl, Hey girl.
Speaker 2: I I'll start. I'm in a mode that is has
Speaker 2: not changed much since finishing this film roughly nineteen hours ago.
Speaker 2: I was I woke up. I said, okay, new day,
Speaker 2: New day, knew me. Yeah, But then our WiFi went
Speaker 2: out for the second time in three days. And listen,
Speaker 2: I work from home no many days of the week.
Speaker 2: And I said hello, and it's a like, no, there's
Speaker 2: no issues in your area. It's just not connected to
Speaker 2: the wall correctly. And I was like, well, it was
Speaker 2: ten minutes ago, and there's not been an earthquake, so
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure what what you feel could have
Speaker 2: occurred here. So we're rocking a personal hotspot right now, totally.
Speaker 2: I am pushing my monthly data limit to the limit,
Speaker 2: totally with abandoned I am facetiming on cellular data and
Speaker 2: doing a personal hot spot, all from about sixty six
Speaker 2: percent battery on my cell phone, which is of course
Speaker 2: an outdated generation of a phone, because I'm not buying
Speaker 2: into that rat race. No way, I'm doing this. I
Speaker 2: still use corded headphones, and you're not gonna get me,
Speaker 2: although girl, uh huh, allegedly, ostensibly, perhaps I was gonna
Speaker 2: I was trying to think of a third adverb, but
Speaker 2: this movie broke my head, so whatever. I believe that
Speaker 2: the mic in my courted head phones has stopped working,
Speaker 2: which means I made a phone call while on a
Speaker 2: walk the other day. Oh headphones in as you do, yep.
Speaker 2: But the person at the end of the line was like, hello, Hello, Hello,
Speaker 2: I can't hear you Hello Hello, which is so that's
Speaker 2: one of the worst states to be in emotionally, I
Speaker 2: think Hello's on the receiving end of Hello, Hello, Hello,
Speaker 2: because you can hear them and you are speaking, but
Speaker 2: it's just going in. It's like a living nightmare. I'd
Speaker 2: say it's a speaking nightmare. And what that meant is
Speaker 2: that I had to unplug my headphones and hold my
Speaker 2: phone up to my ear for forty minutes and speak
Speaker 2: on the phone like it was the eighteen hundreds. Again.
Speaker 2: I looked like an idiot. I looked like a ghost
Speaker 2: from the seventeenth century. I mean, I was unrecognizable to
Speaker 2: the modern world. Leanna already has a phone in my hand.
Speaker 2: Leanna's face, as we've done discussed before, is very sort
Speaker 2: of a period piece traditional. Yeah. Yeah, so she can
Speaker 2: have got a traditional face.
Speaker 1: She can easily be mistaken for another time period. So
Speaker 1: she get me messing with things like being on the phone,
Speaker 1: you know, or mailing a letter or something. People will
Speaker 1: assume she's a No.
Speaker 2: You see me on a bicycle with one big wheel
Speaker 2: and one small wheel, you're gonna think it's an interaction
Speaker 2: with the paranormal, which is.
Speaker 1: Too bad, because that's the lines they have.
Speaker 2: And get me away, keep me away from the line.
Speaker 2: Bikes that are one big wheel on the wheel. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's where I'm at, just kind of all over
Speaker 2: the place really pretty much nothing's working.
Speaker 1: It sounds like we're getting by too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey girl, Hey.
Speaker 1: Girl, Well, speaking of a personal hotspot. Uh okay home?
Speaker 2: Wait? Oh no, do you have a UTI again? No,
Speaker 2: but that I.
Speaker 1: Wish so I could call it that. I'm dealing with
Speaker 1: a personal hotspot situation. He's having trouble with my personal
Speaker 1: hot spot? Oh really, are you out of data?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, I have a UT.
Speaker 2: I I'm sorry, Please continue.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the same kind you're talking about. Uh. I.
Speaker 1: We did a White Lotus screening outside, but we forgot
Speaker 1: about walls, so our WiFi didn't come through. So we
Speaker 1: used my personal hot spot and I immediately got a
Speaker 1: message that was like, you've seventy five percent of your
Speaker 1: hotspot for the month.
Speaker 2: God.
Speaker 1: Fortunately I'm not wolf going anywhere.
Speaker 2: We're on the yeah question mark, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: But uh it was. It was bonkers. So did you
Speaker 1: finish White Lotus?
Speaker 2: Yes? I did. I watched it with our neighbors and
Speaker 2: we were on edge for ninety minutes.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. The coconut milk is off.
Speaker 2: The coconut milk is off, real, give me about anything
Speaker 2: at any time. That's where. Yeah, right now in my home,
Speaker 2: the coconut milk is off. So Sienna, could you please
Speaker 2: off give us the synopsis of the film after Son.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, after Son. I'm sorry, content war.
Speaker 1: This isn't funny. This isn't like a funny summary. No,
Speaker 1: after Son, Sophie remembers her last vacation with her dad
Speaker 1: before he dies by suicide. Yes, and it's about depression
Speaker 1: in a big way. Mm hmm, that's that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very It goes about it very indirectly, like
Speaker 2: it's not showing you things very explicitly. And I don't
Speaker 2: mean indirectly in like a critical way. I just mean, no,
Speaker 2: it's it's a lot of show don't tell, or it's
Speaker 2: it's all very implied. That's the word.
Speaker 1: It's a lot you don't tell. Yeah, I would say,
Speaker 1: I mean very certainly loving, very certainly tasteful. And it's
Speaker 1: like it wasn't it wasn't gratuitously about somebody thinks very truthful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was definitely carefully done. But it is a
Speaker 1: very sad subject matter. But it's mostly like a girl
Speaker 1: and her dad on vacation, and every now and then
Speaker 1: you get glimpses of like him just not doing well
Speaker 1: or regulating. You know, Well, Leanna, should we get into
Speaker 1: our phone notes? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think I was able to highlight about three okay,
Speaker 2: oh fantastic and mine. It took a while for me
Speaker 2: to really clock what was going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I kind of think this Okay, first of all,
Speaker 1: before we get into it. I think it's been clear
Speaker 1: on our podcast. But we're two girls who struggle with depression. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's kind of why we started Mama Mamas with depression
Speaker 1: to talk to each other. So we didn't go crazy.
Speaker 2: We made each other go outside and take a walk
Speaker 2: and speak on the phone to another human. And a
Speaker 2: podcast was birth.
Speaker 1: Niche as as as it should be, as it should
Speaker 1: come to be. Yes, so that will true people.
Speaker 2: But I did when a woman and a woman are
Speaker 2: both very depressed.
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if I missed some things that were
Speaker 1: like more like directly feeding us the fact that this
Speaker 1: man had depression. But I might have missed that. So
Speaker 1: it's like it was definitely a slow okay.
Speaker 2: It's a slow reveal, but I was kind of artistic.
Speaker 1: I feel like this show is a good litmus test
Speaker 1: for this movie is a good litmus test for how
Speaker 1: much you like I feel like I usually don't understand
Speaker 1: movies or like the symbolism this one. From the very beginning,
Speaker 1: when he's in his room and he's like doing weird
Speaker 1: things with his hands, I'm like, he's either on drugs
Speaker 1: or severely depressed. Oh, because like it's both, because like
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell what they were telling us about the
Speaker 1: dad yet, but that was the first thing. And then
Speaker 1: when he.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when did you really like clock it?
Speaker 1: I really clocked it when when he was staring down
Speaker 1: at that carpet for a long time, which he ended
Speaker 1: up lying down on, But when he was staring down
Speaker 1: at it, I'm like, that man wants to be lying down.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I actually liked that it kept it as sort
Speaker 1: of simple as that a lot of the time, you know,
Speaker 1: and like later there's more. You know, he's again like
Speaker 1: not like dealing with these dysregulated emotions and everything. But
Speaker 1: it was honestly a very earnest depiction of somebody just
Speaker 1: like being elsewhere in their mind, you know. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's like, when did you clock it? Okay, when did
Speaker 1: you clock it? This man was depressed?
Speaker 2: Well, this the whole time. I had this feeling where
Speaker 2: I was like, why am I so worried that this
Speaker 2: guy's gonna die?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And I chalked it up to being traumatized by the
Speaker 2: concept of film.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, that's just me being anxious because
Speaker 2: men make movies that make me feel like something's going
Speaker 2: to go wrong at any time.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 2: But then it turned out that I was right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I said, oh no, I think it became pretty
Speaker 2: darn obvious to me when he ran into the sea
Speaker 2: in full street clothes. Yeah, that's kind of when the
Speaker 2: deep of the night, I said, oh, okay, hello, hey, yeah, hmm,
Speaker 2: seems like he's not long for this world.
Speaker 1: I guess that was intense.
Speaker 2: Fuck me, man, Okay, let's do our Let's get into
Speaker 2: our phone notes, the segment of the podcast where we
Speaker 2: read the notes that the other person took on their
Speaker 2: phone while watching the film.
Speaker 1: Leanna, your first note is Sienna, where are you at
Speaker 1: red h Paul Mescal And it is Paul Mescal, Paul meskal.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know off the tongue, so nicely.
Speaker 1: This is the dad.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh my god. Oh yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2: I don't know him. Well that's evocative.
Speaker 1: Oh did I enjoy him in this film?
Speaker 2: Okay, so you did not watch the TV show Normal People? No,
Speaker 2: but Leanna, I just read the book this week. I
Speaker 2: read the book Sally Rooney's Normal People of another book
Speaker 2: that is not good to read.
Speaker 1: Feeling upon God getting back from a tour.
Speaker 2: He's he's Connell in Normal People.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I have to watch He's amazing. Oh I
Speaker 1: bet he's amazing.
Speaker 2: Oh I bet he's I mean, maybe don't watch it
Speaker 2: now while you're in your slum.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the mama.
Speaker 2: Come out of that, Come on out of that before you,
Speaker 2: before you click play on Hormel People, because you'll be
Speaker 2: devastated for eight, possibly ten episodes. Can't remember how long
Speaker 2: it is. There's literally I mean, you'll know what's coming.
Speaker 2: But my god, yeah, my god. Okay, so you're not
Speaker 2: and you didn't watch Gladiator this week? Will Nope?
Speaker 1: Nope. He was so wonderful though. I thought they were
Speaker 1: both great, like I really did. She was spunky, she
Speaker 1: was not afraid of life despite being eleven years old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that child. I also thought she had the face
Speaker 2: of a grown woman I know.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, you're the younger version of a
Speaker 1: grown actress that I know. But then I realized that
Speaker 1: can't be true. She's a child right now.
Speaker 2: Can't be right, right, I know it was. It was
Speaker 2: mind boggling.
Speaker 1: Leanna, you said, ah, the starfish undertones of the Celtic,
Speaker 1: the Celtic Celtic. But no, Ah, the starfish undertones of
Speaker 1: the Celtic.
Speaker 2: M m. This boy was pink pink. Little Guy Paul
Speaker 2: is pink and game recognized game Mama Paul is pink
Speaker 2: Pink Paul. When you go outside as someone with Celtic
Speaker 2: heritage and you get a little warm, you turn pink.
Speaker 2: It's just a fact of life. It's unfortunate, but it
Speaker 2: is true. And this film was a lot of pink Guy,
Speaker 2: Pink Paul, Pink Paul filling the screen. It was like
Speaker 2: a close up on the back of his neck.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, oh wow, yep, that's just
Speaker 1: a wash of pink your origins. Sorry, everybody, the sun
Speaker 1: has come out and that's just not gonna work for
Speaker 1: me and my heritage. I'm gonna go back inside wilbur
Speaker 1: right back Leoni Lehana, you've said being pale on holiday
Speaker 1: is so embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, because you can see everyone around you
Speaker 2: getting tanner every day, and you go out again and
Speaker 2: it's pink again. It's the Pink Pony Club. I I
Speaker 2: attend the Pink Pony Club when I'm at the beach.
Speaker 2: That's my cabana. I'm gonna keep on dancing at the
Speaker 2: Pink Pony Club where I become pink because of my
Speaker 2: starfish undertones. And then you return seemingly unchanged. When people
Speaker 2: get back from holiday, often people are like, oh, you
Speaker 2: look well, But if you're pale, it's like you either
Speaker 2: you've caught sun damage and people are worried for your health,
Speaker 2: or it looks like you never went anywhere in the
Speaker 2: first place. How dumb pony club.
Speaker 1: Leanna, you've said dinner and a show.
Speaker 5: You said, dinner and a show and the show is
Speaker 5: white people doing the macarena.
Speaker 1: Give me my money back. That's an excellent commentary. I
Speaker 1: would be pissed off dinner and a show and the
Speaker 1: show is white people doing the macarena. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: That was the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the evening's entertainment because was that the
Speaker 2: karaoke night or no, no, it was a separate night.
Speaker 1: That was their first dinner performers performing the macaras staff
Speaker 1: at the resort.
Speaker 2: I mean the film was the nineties in so many ways,
Speaker 2: which I did appreciate. I love a boxy Sony television
Speaker 2: and a Panasonic camcorder, I love I love those. But
Speaker 2: five white people in polos doing the macarena. Who some
Speaker 2: things are best left in the past. Yeah, oh, this
Speaker 2: is in my notes later. But I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 2: do you remember what you did for your eleventh birthday?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: When she asked her dad that and he knew exactly,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what.
Speaker 1: You know, I remember other people's birthday parties too, Like
Speaker 1: one time we made pajama pants for somebody's birthday. Pajama
Speaker 1: He went and did like a little sewing. It was
Speaker 1: like a sewing less Oh my god, because all you
Speaker 1: have to do is sew one thing, and pajama pants
Speaker 1: pretty much. They just like showed us how to sew
Speaker 1: the draw string or something, and then there was like
Speaker 1: cake deck, so the pants are already made. You know what. No,
Speaker 1: we must have made him the whole way. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we made the whole ones because because they looked
Speaker 1: really bad, like everybody did a really bad job.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, we.
Speaker 1: Were like eleven. We did a horrible job, of course.
Speaker 1: But I do remember being very excited to be eleven
Speaker 1: because I love that number.
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool.
Speaker 1: So I don't remember what I did. I bet my
Speaker 1: mom would remember. What about you? Do you remember any
Speaker 1: of your.
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I know it was laser tag
Speaker 2: a lot fun. Yeah, I think that's very like somebody
Speaker 2: who has an older brother core total. So I was like,
Speaker 2: I went to his laser tag birthday and I was like, this, rocks,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 1: That is awesome.
Speaker 2: I feel like it could have been laser tags fun.
Speaker 1: I didn't did it LT I did very rocks. I
Speaker 1: did quiet feminine birthday parties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sewing is very quiet evil. That's nuts. Did you
Speaker 2: do like milk churning.
Speaker 1: Another literally for one birthday party?
Speaker 2: Up the laundry?
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. I did a Little House on the
Speaker 1: Prairie birthday party once because oh my god, I loved
Speaker 1: the Little House of the Prairie when I was little. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't I don't know what was it like
Speaker 2: the long dresses or the big sleeves. What was drawing
Speaker 2: into the little house on the prairie.
Speaker 1: I think it was very a very cute read. As
Speaker 1: a kid, my mom would read or Ingles Wilder, and
Speaker 1: they just did very like simple tasks that as a
Speaker 1: kid are in you know, like, oh, they're making maple
Speaker 1: syrup and I'm like, wow, you know, it's so cool.
Speaker 1: And she made her own dolls out of corn husks
Speaker 1: and things. But then I would watch it on TV,
Speaker 1: which is funny because I think it's actually like a
Speaker 1: pretty bad show just from the eighties. But I was like,
Speaker 1: I love this show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm sure there's no moment of like, hey,
Speaker 2: what why did these white people end up on the
Speaker 2: prairie in the first place.
Speaker 1: Oh, of course, I will say, and you know, shame
Speaker 1: on me, But I wasn't thinking about that as a kid.
Speaker 2: I think I don't know that you have to shame
Speaker 2: your childhood self. Shame on me for for that one.
Speaker 2: I think shame on the creators, right, and yeah, and
Speaker 2: shame on the Americans at the time, Shame on those
Speaker 2: doing the colonization.
Speaker 1: Shame on them. Speaking of shame, shame, you said if
Speaker 1: I were an octopus, I would not want to be
Speaker 1: on a child's head.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. When she is doing her news report
Speaker 2: into the camera, she's like, the coolest thing ever just happened.
Speaker 2: We went sort of scuba diving, and the diving instructor
Speaker 2: put an octopus on my head, and I was like,
Speaker 2: imagine being an octopus, just floating along, tentacling along, doing
Speaker 2: crunching numbers, being intelligent, being one of the most intelligent
Speaker 2: sea creatures, and then you are grabbed out of your
Speaker 2: thoughts and placed onto a child's head.
Speaker 1: Ah. They're very intelligent.
Speaker 2: Animals, so I know they disrespect my disrespect. I would
Speaker 2: not want to be on a child's head. I don't
Speaker 2: want that.
Speaker 1: You would be such a funny octopus. You'd be so pissed. Leanna. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've said pink get dune.
Speaker 2: Do you remember this TikTok?
Speaker 1: I do, But is the word pink in it?
Speaker 2: Or you're talking it's a Scottish it's a Scottish man. Gosh,
Speaker 2: this really applies so wildly in so many ways we've talked.
Speaker 2: It's a Scottish man on TikTok talking about musical artists. Pink.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of her like aerial flips, and she is
Speaker 2: crazy harness stinks at her content contests, and he's like,
Speaker 2: I'm not one to criticize very often, but pink get done.
Speaker 2: And when Paul, when pink Paul is standing on the railing,
Speaker 2: the balcony railing, my first thought was, pink get done.
Speaker 1: It's so funny to call him pink Paul. It's really cracky.
Speaker 1: Pink Paul, You're a pink man.
Speaker 2: Pink Paul mescal.
Speaker 1: Yes, Leanni, you said, sir, do karaoke with your daughter.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. The way they depict a depression in
Speaker 1: this is just like in way so it's like I
Speaker 1: can't do that activity today. I cannot do it. It
Speaker 1: was I'm not fun today. I'm not fun today.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. And it's always so hard when the not
Speaker 2: fun day hits at the same time that your loved
Speaker 2: one wants to be doing something Like I once had
Speaker 2: a not fun day on my mom's birthday, like at
Speaker 2: her birthday dinner. I was just like an incapable of
Speaker 2: like yes, being there, you know totally, and I still
Speaker 2: feel so bad about it. Like it's just it's like
Speaker 2: those things that are out of your control. But then
Speaker 2: have an impact on others as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally so real. There was some like some party
Speaker 1: for some extracurricular group in college and it was happening
Speaker 1: at my house and I didn't go downstairs for it
Speaker 1: the entire time mmm, And people were like what the hell?
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I just for some reason,
Speaker 1: I was just having trouble getting my I feel really
Speaker 1: bad because I couldn't really get my shit together. But
Speaker 1: in retrospect, I'm like.
Speaker 2: He was having a depressive.
Speaker 1: Episode, like I couldn't go downstairs.
Speaker 2: You know, it's nuts. It really grabs hold of you. Sometimes.
Speaker 1: That was sad and it comes out as like anger
Speaker 1: for him, but he's just like I can't. I just
Speaker 1: I m hmm, I'm unavailable. Yeah, Leanna, you've said benevolent teen.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, do you remember the Benevolent teen which
Speaker 2: one comes and gives her her all access?
Speaker 1: That was so nice.
Speaker 2: Wristband and that was so benevolent.
Speaker 1: That was so benevolent. That was a very benevolent girl.
Speaker 2: Benevolent is really becoming a favorite adjective of mine recently.
Speaker 2: It's like a really favorite way to describe a character
Speaker 2: in a show or flim very useful, useful, so benevolent.
Speaker 1: Leanna you've said, Leonna, you said, oh, okay, I guess
Speaker 1: naked in a sleep is better than dead, but only
Speaker 1: by a little.
Speaker 2: So this is right after he runs headfirst into the ocean,
Speaker 2: and I said, now I know you're not earlier, I noted,
Speaker 2: I'm about to be really problematic about this, because I
Speaker 2: thought it was at that point. By that point, it
Speaker 2: had become clear to me that his character, his arc
Speaker 2: is like, at some point, this guy dies by suicide,
Speaker 2: and so I was like, is it gonna happen during
Speaker 2: the movie? I know, And I was like, I know
Speaker 2: you're not doing this on vacation while your daughter is
Speaker 2: not even in the hotel. I know that's wrong, which
Speaker 2: is problematic of me to have as an opinion.
Speaker 1: You must seen, also said, I said, very similar vibe.
Speaker 1: I said, certain, you cannot be that unwell, which is like,
Speaker 1: that's problematic. But what I meant is like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna leave your daughter, like I just yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: uh uh. And he does full in a way that
Speaker 1: I'm not drinking.
Speaker 2: So I was feeling all of those things and I
Speaker 2: was like, you are not, No, that is wrong, and
Speaker 2: then it turned out that he'd like done that while
Speaker 2: he was like, you know, many beards deep, and then
Speaker 2: came back and took all his wet clothes off and
Speaker 2: then passed out in the bed. And so by that
Speaker 2: point I was like, oh, I guess naked and asleep
Speaker 2: is better than dead. But then I remembered that he
Speaker 2: was nude, and I said, well, only by a little you.
Speaker 2: It is not appropriate to be nude, not applyings are
Speaker 2: like a little more chill around nudity. Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not so insane to them.
Speaker 1: Impression of a lot of like British comedies, like I
Speaker 1: remember we used to watch like The Vicar of Dibley
Speaker 1: and stuff, and there's a lot of like butt like
Speaker 1: you would like see your father would fall asleep and
Speaker 1: you'd see his butt and it would be like, Oi,
Speaker 1: OHI cover your arms.
Speaker 2: Huh. Oh sure, a lot of bunt humor, mooning, very moaning.
Speaker 1: It's a mooning heavy Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yes, god, you're right. I always have just managed to
Speaker 2: forget that I got mooned, and then you you helped me.
Speaker 1: Remember life finds a way.
Speaker 2: We've come full circle, if you will. It was so
Speaker 2: square in that window though it was hard to come
Speaker 2: perfectly square arse, very squared.
Speaker 1: But Leanna, you've said I once slept through several wake
Speaker 1: up calls and the front desk were very annoyed with me.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, when was.
Speaker 2: That sorry to the front desk. This was in twenty
Speaker 2: twelve and we were staying in a fancy hotel and
Speaker 2: I I sleep through anything. As we've discussed a few
Speaker 2: times on the pop. I've slept through earthquakes, I've slept
Speaker 2: through fire alarms, I think no. Oh no, I've slept
Speaker 2: through exams.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: And I did not hear this demure phone ringing, because
Speaker 2: of course it was a fancy hotel, so it had
Speaker 2: this like tweet like hell, hell, hello, you are receiving
Speaker 2: a call. Hello. I'm not hearing that through my cacophony
Speaker 2: of insane dreams that my head produces every evening.
Speaker 1: There's like that's not breaking through metal screaming happening in
Speaker 1: your head.
Speaker 2: There's like seagulls for some reason, and everything's kind of
Speaker 2: my childhood home but slightly different. We're trying to break
Speaker 2: through that with a polite phone to tone. I don't
Speaker 2: think so, but I heard in the voice of the
Speaker 2: person that they were very done with ringing this number.
Speaker 1: And you were there in the room alone. Had your
Speaker 1: family gone off to high or something? No offense? You guys,
Speaker 1: that's a positive.
Speaker 2: Yours family's just so different than my family in this way.
Speaker 2: My parents were in a different room, and my brother
Speaker 2: was not on the trip. Okay, he was in college
Speaker 2: at that point.
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Were they climbing something? No offense?
Speaker 2: Did a benevolent team just gift you their all access wristband?
Speaker 2: Don't get yourself a fruity beverage. We'll see you in
Speaker 2: a few minutes.
Speaker 1: Leanna, you've said all your your your your your notes
Speaker 1: are just such a they're they're ping ponging emotionally. Leon
Speaker 1: you've said, I'm sorry, okay, it's kind of breaking my heart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was because he.
Speaker 2: Just wants, like he feels so bad that he couldn't
Speaker 2: be there for her and like do karaoke with her,
Speaker 2: and he also wants her forgiveness, so he just wants
Speaker 2: it to be okay. So like saying i'm sorry is
Speaker 2: so different from saying I'm sorry okay, question Mark, like
Speaker 2: I'm really sorry, and also please make this better, like
Speaker 2: right now, like please assuage my guilt over this immediately
Speaker 2: and it was just again, it all felt very truthful.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was a little heart bracking a little bit,
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh their relationship was so sweet.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Oh he's so unwell, so unwell, I really, Leoni, you said,
Speaker 1: off he goes to Starr and Gladiator too.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when they were in that ruin and he
Speaker 2: was climbing up to the top of it right before
Speaker 2: they sing him like happy birthday or whatever. The British
Speaker 2: song version of that is nothing at all, but before
Speaker 2: he feels nothing when his back is to the camera,
Speaker 2: I said. There. He goes into the set of Ancient Realm,
Speaker 2: into the coliseum.
Speaker 1: When he was standing up there, they're singing, you know,
Speaker 1: for he's a jolly good.
Speaker 2: Friend, He's a jolly good pink Paul.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they didn't say that for any listeners, just so
Speaker 6: you know, that's inaccurate, what Leanna, you've said.
Speaker 1: All right, your final notes. This one I almost brought
Speaker 1: up earlier because they made me laugh. But I'm glad
Speaker 1: I waited till that, which is this is like a
Speaker 1: very poignant and devastating moment of the film, and Lean
Speaker 1: has written crying and nude, beyond inappropriate, all the way
Speaker 1: to unacceptable. He's literally in his most vulnerable state, cannot
Speaker 1: get a handle on his life. We see when he's alone,
Speaker 1: he struggles so much. He's crying. He's raw, crying and nude.
Speaker 4: You can't be nude crying and nude.
Speaker 7: Yes, no, no, sir, I understand depression, but that is too.
Speaker 2: Draw the line at nude. Stop being nude. Cover up.
Speaker 1: You do not need to be nude to be depressed.
Speaker 2: Throw on a short here's a towel.
Speaker 1: Beyond inappropriate, all the way to unacceptable. So the crying
Speaker 1: makes it worse. I don't know what you were so pink,
Speaker 1: So it was he just was nude. And I know
Speaker 1: you're feeling a lot of emotions, but I can't perceive
Speaker 1: them when you are nude. By the way, it was
Speaker 1: from the back, like we didn't see anything.
Speaker 2: Oh, but it was clear you saw nothing.
Speaker 1: It was you were supposed to know he's nude. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like, it's not like we were assaulted with
Speaker 1: with like somebody with a very raw naked body. It
Speaker 1: was like just his back.
Speaker 2: And you know, he was so pink, the whole back
Speaker 2: a pink canvas.
Speaker 1: Pink with sadness, pink with inherented.
Speaker 2: God, the exertion of tears. Mm hmmm. If you are
Speaker 2: going to cry, great, happy for you that you are
Speaker 2: processing and experiencing that emotion, But you need to have
Speaker 2: at least two layers on.
Speaker 1: This is right after when his daughter got a bunch
Speaker 1: of people to sing Happy Birthday to him, he felt nothing,
Speaker 1: and then we see him alone at his most vulnerable state,
Speaker 1: crying his eyes out, alone when he's away from his daughter.
Speaker 1: Nude and nude, I just.
Speaker 2: Sitting on something while nude. I don't think that's right.
Speaker 2: Put something between the hole anywhere and thed.
Speaker 1: You've never sat down while nude?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: Nakedness is for standing moments before you've gotten dressed, seconds
Speaker 1: in the shower, and you don't look.
Speaker 2: Showering is very hard for me because I do not
Speaker 2: look down. That is not the.
Speaker 1: One good thing is that I do. I am able
Speaker 1: to stand, which I must do when I am nude.
Speaker 2: I'm only ever vertical if I'm nude.
Speaker 1: My naked, my naked bottom has never felt the touch
Speaker 1: of a seat.
Speaker 2: Or an Obno, oh, my goodness me, no, I just
Speaker 2: it's polite I think it's a bit of decorum to
Speaker 2: put something between you and and the the object, the furniture.
Speaker 1: Well, on your final note is this film left me troubled,
Speaker 1: which I think is the intention.
Speaker 2: I typed that, and the whole time I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: all right, all right, I see what's okay? Yeah, And
Speaker 2: then I typed that, and then the credits started and
Speaker 2: I heaved a sob and then I did not stop crying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was crying like an hour were yeah, like racked
Speaker 2: with like big something. My flatmate came home and walked
Speaker 2: into the room and I was like hey, and they
Speaker 2: were like what. And I was like, we had to
Speaker 2: watch After Sun for the podcast, and they were.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, yeah, that happened. My friend called me right
Speaker 1: as it ended, and I just I couldn't. I couldn't
Speaker 1: pick up Yeah, but I'm like I can't, No, I
Speaker 1: need a minute, no, no.
Speaker 2: And I famously cannot cry on these meds that I'm on,
Speaker 2: uh huh, which is like, I think, kind of a
Speaker 2: negative side effect TVH Like, there are often times where
Speaker 2: I'm like I wish I could cry, just to like
Speaker 2: feel these feelings and process them and move through this.
Speaker 2: But the pros are outweighing the cons so vastly that yeah,
Speaker 2: mama's medicated. And so the fact that it was like,
Speaker 2: I mean the again, the activation energy or whatever to
Speaker 2: get me to cry is so high and this shot
Speaker 2: past that pushed me right over the edge. Wow, hello,
Speaker 2: my damn lord.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the ending for people heavy sobs, it was
Speaker 1: like we see him dancing in this room throughout, and
Speaker 1: at first when it was like happening, I was confused,
Speaker 1: like what rave is this?
Speaker 2: I was absolutely I was confusing.
Speaker 1: Was then it turns out it's like that's representing him
Speaker 1: in his in his depression, like elsewhere in his.
Speaker 2: But she's also there because adult self, as.
Speaker 1: An adult, she gets it because she she's his daughter,
Speaker 1: she has the same thing. She also deals with it,
Speaker 1: and so she's later she's watching his young self in
Speaker 1: this rave and she tries to hug him.
Speaker 2: She tries to like hold on to him. Yeah, well
Speaker 2: like kind of get him back.
Speaker 1: He's alone in there, and and then when he turns
Speaker 1: and walks in there after he says good bye to her,
Speaker 1: it just takes over him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a very well uh executed ending, and
Speaker 2: it made it all make sense.
Speaker 1: I found it all very beautiful, beautiful in that way
Speaker 1: like who the person who clearly made it like thought
Speaker 1: a lot about how to represent these feelings. It was
Speaker 1: very like honest and m like compassionate.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: It didn't feel just like I feel like it's really
Speaker 1: easy to make depression, to feel like this sort of
Speaker 1: like this inescapable on we and it's kind of like
Speaker 1: let's watch somebody feel nothing. But it's not like he's
Speaker 1: like he's trying and he loves his daughter and he
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know. It just wasn't extremely gratuitous.
Speaker 1: It was just really sad. It was really sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh gosh, well.
Speaker 1: Shall we move on to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's move on to badges. Trages where we award
Speaker 2: badges for burns, comma sun being avoided, and tragedy they
Speaker 2: were doing they were doing skin coverage.
Speaker 1: They were because they know, and trages for.
Speaker 2: Trauma Turkish vacations that lead to processing trauma. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: have a badge for throwing roles at the white people
Speaker 2: doing the macca and then running away. I loved that
Speaker 2: when he was like, let's throw roles at them.
Speaker 1: She was like, yes, I have a badge for the
Speaker 1: just sweet father daughter relationship. It's really sad to think
Speaker 1: that he doesn't think he's going to be there forever.
Speaker 1: But the things that they were like comfortable talking to
Speaker 1: each other about and everything was so sweet and they
Speaker 1: had so much fun. I don't know, it was just
Speaker 1: like a really sweet frame and hip.
Speaker 2: I have a badge for a hair rap. Oh when
Speaker 2: she gets that hair rap where you take a little
Speaker 2: a tube of hair and you wrap string around it
Speaker 2: in an artsy way, that took me back. Oh man,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, the little.
Speaker 1: Thing in her hair. Absolutely, yes, so cool. So you
Speaker 1: come back from vacation to school. Sorry I was on vacation.
Speaker 2: Sorry yeah, sorry, actually sorry. Badge for Okay, I'm kind
Speaker 2: of obsessed with this kid from the motorbike game, that
Speaker 2: boy who comes and races with her on the motorbike game.
Speaker 2: And then later they're at the indoor pool and he goes,
Speaker 2: I'm not a great swimmer, so it suits me, and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, okay, I love you.
Speaker 2: I just loved it, so it suits me. So funny
Speaker 2: that boy is honest and mm hmm respectful, respect boy.
Speaker 1: I'd say I have a badge for I just it
Speaker 1: just felt good to understand a movie and part of
Speaker 1: it I'm like, ah, because like depression is something I
Speaker 1: think about and I'm interested in. But also it was
Speaker 1: just I think it was just a really good movie
Speaker 1: in terms of getting across the symbolism and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like I just it's so nice to have
Speaker 1: symbolism be in like a rave and not a naked
Speaker 1: woman for some reason, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's always something horrible that I don't understand usually,
Speaker 1: or like someone's getting hurt, like someone was hurting, but
Speaker 1: no one gets like nothing bad happens to somebody for
Speaker 1: no reason besides their own tragic experience. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I don't know, I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it again, it was just offling a badge to
Speaker 2: that as well. It was so truthful that moment where
Speaker 2: we see her her adult self at the age that
Speaker 2: he was, and he's also there and she's trying to
Speaker 2: like hold on to him. Yeah, because like one of
Speaker 2: the common things that people who've like lost somebody close
Speaker 2: to them to suicide feel is this like need to
Speaker 2: control everything around you and this because it feels like
Speaker 2: something that's just so Yeah, it's it's like that is
Speaker 2: such a comforting thought of this, This like being able
Speaker 2: to really know what's gonna happen with everything around you,
Speaker 2: and that everybody around you is like safe and you
Speaker 2: know where they are and what they're what they're gonna do.
Speaker 2: So that was just that that resonated so much. WHOA yeah, Oh,
Speaker 2: I have a badge for shoving a child away from
Speaker 2: you by their head when he pushes her away by
Speaker 2: her head. I said, yeah, yes, And my final badge
Speaker 2: is bunny Ears doing bunny Ears in a photo. We
Speaker 2: need to bring bunny Ears back. When he gets a
Speaker 2: photo with her and he does bunny Ears behind her,
Speaker 2: I said, I miss the nineties.
Speaker 1: When bunny Ears was at the top of its game.
Speaker 2: Bunny Ears was so funny, it was fresh. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do it. We must do it. We must bring bunny
Speaker 2: Ears back.
Speaker 1: Tragis tragis you go first? Because I have a few.
Speaker 2: I have a trage for too jarring, a style for
Speaker 2: having just woken up from a nap. Because the first
Speaker 2: thing is the rave imagery and I was like, whoa yeah.
Speaker 1: I will say I was like kind of on my
Speaker 1: computer at first because I was trying to get some
Speaker 1: things done and this was not the right movie to
Speaker 1: be kind of on your computer for I had to
Speaker 1: close it. My main trage is just kids like tweens
Speaker 1: like talking about sex. I think is very inappropriate. Like
Speaker 1: early when she was in the room and she they're
Speaker 1: talking about like one a kid says the word come
Speaker 1: and I was like, absolutely not, you should not know
Speaker 1: that word. The girls in the bathroom, Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And she's younger mm hmmm. And what I did like,
Speaker 1: is that a lot of all that stuff she's hearing.
Speaker 1: I think it did a good job of like she's
Speaker 1: just like a young tweet and she's just hearing things.
Speaker 1: And when you're a kid, like you're really tuned into
Speaker 1: that stuff. It wasn't like anything weird happens or she
Speaker 1: does anything where you like, yeah, she does everything that's
Speaker 1: like comfortable, but she's she's really clocked into hearing that's white.
Speaker 1: That's like very real.
Speaker 2: But I'm just like, you are a child, You are
Speaker 2: a child. You should be playing with American girl dolls. Everyone,
Speaker 2: everyone should be watching Little House on the Prairie, appointment.
Speaker 1: Viewing, yeah, not understanding the colonial overtones.
Speaker 2: I have a trage for shoes on the bed. She's
Speaker 2: very much in her travel with shoes on the bed
Speaker 2: and I said, no, yeah, mm hmmm, a trage for
Speaker 2: don't spit on the mirror. That was crazy, sir.
Speaker 1: I know you're impressed, but don't be spitting on the
Speaker 1: mirror like.
Speaker 2: You're not that on it. I felt like, you're gonna
Speaker 2: do it, wipe it off?
Speaker 1: Yeah, why what? What is the benefits? Gross explained to
Speaker 1: me the benefit of spitting on the mirror.
Speaker 2: I don't like the image of something left on a mirror.
Speaker 2: I don't like that. M Yeah. And my final trage
Speaker 2: is you know what, uh not for me?
Speaker 1: This was not for you.
Speaker 2: This film was not for me, and I thought it
Speaker 2: was really red tire. I did not enjoy watching it.
Speaker 2: And I think, well, we'll get into it in the
Speaker 2: segment should you watch this or but yeah, that's my
Speaker 2: final trage.
Speaker 1: I think that's completely fair, as this movie was not chill.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I was very affected by I had to go like
Speaker 1: set up for my show after that, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to anybody. I feel very
Speaker 1: very sad.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I cannot imagine going somewhere after watching this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, today I'm feeling very like I liked it. I
Speaker 1: thought that a lot was really beautiful and I'm like
Speaker 1: appreciative of how careful it was about things, but like
Speaker 1: it was, I was not feeling chill.
Speaker 2: I was not feeling chill.
Speaker 1: Well, Leanna, let's move on to our next segment, of course,
Speaker 1: which is, uh, how to pretend you've seen this film.
Speaker 1: This is for you are at at a resort out
Speaker 1: there on at the beach, you're having you just got
Speaker 1: out from swimming, and you're enjoying some chicken nuggets or nachos,
Speaker 1: and life is life is good. And then some random
Speaker 1: what was the like motorbike kid's name, like Michael or
Speaker 1: Matthew or something I don't remember, let's say it's Michael. Sure,
Speaker 1: Michael comes up to you and says oi O.
Speaker 2: Paddington style way, oh uh, And you're like, whoa, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to enjoy my chicken nuggets and my
Speaker 2: virgin Pina Colada in peace.
Speaker 1: I saw you at the motor box earlier. I thought
Speaker 1: you might want to see me bum.
Speaker 2: A man from absolutely wherever, from everywhere, unknowable place.
Speaker 1: You might think it's.
Speaker 2: Funny if I moon you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then also in addition to that, the funniest
Speaker 1: thing in the world. Oh yeah, I was thinking maybe
Speaker 1: we could talk about a movie that everybody wants to
Speaker 1: talk about at any given time, the chilliest movie of
Speaker 1: all time, After Sun.
Speaker 2: And in order to cover Michael in Suncream so he
Speaker 2: cannot he's too slippery to speak, We're gonna give you
Speaker 2: a few sentences you can say to pretend you've seen
Speaker 2: the film after Son. Yes, Michael, I've seen After Sun.
Speaker 2: Oh and in order to deflect experiencing the deep emotions
Speaker 2: I feel around it, here is an insult that I
Speaker 2: thought of for Paul Meskal's character when he has that
Speaker 2: cast on his wrist in the first half of the film.
Speaker 2: This is what I would have called him. Dear Evan
Speaker 2: Hansen asked, thanks for.
Speaker 1: Revving up for that. Dear Evan Hansen ass aw, Yes, Michael,
Speaker 1: I've seen the film after Son. A reason this movie
Speaker 1: could get a lot of praise is because of how
Speaker 1: natural the father and daughter seemed, and according to Paul
Speaker 1: Meskal in an interview, he and Frankie Corio, who played
Speaker 1: Sophie the daughter, spent two weeks prior to filming in
Speaker 1: a hotel resort on holiday to form a bond that
Speaker 1: was needed to portray the daughter relationship while filming, I
Speaker 1: feel like they should say that also parents were there
Speaker 1: and stuff, which I'm sure they were, but that's fun
Speaker 1: that they just like in order to prep for the movie,
Speaker 1: They're like, we all need to go on vacation and
Speaker 1: have fun, Yeah, in order to be authentic, and they
Speaker 1: were there. Was very authentic.
Speaker 2: That's so real too, because I bet they also got
Speaker 2: like a little sick of one another, as you do
Speaker 2: on vacations. Yeah, especially long ones. Yeah. M yes, Michael.
Speaker 2: I've seen Aftersun. The scene where he is teaching her
Speaker 2: self defense but getting frustrated that she's not getting it
Speaker 2: felt very like when your dad tries to help you
Speaker 2: with your math homework and you both end up confused
Speaker 2: and angry, but most of all confused and pink with.
Speaker 1: Ray and pink with rage.
Speaker 2: Dad's helping parents having to relearn math to help their
Speaker 2: kids with math homework is an epidemic.
Speaker 1: Wow, Oh my gosh. I did think about this some nights.
Speaker 1: Paul Meskell and Frankie Corio play father and daughter in
Speaker 1: the film, even though there isn't only a fourteen year
Speaker 1: age difference between them.
Speaker 2: He was like so young when he found this. He
Speaker 2: was supposed to be like twenty five or twenty six.
Speaker 1: Really, oh my god. Yeah, because he's supposed to be
Speaker 1: a young dad like in Israeli. Yeah, and she's supposed
Speaker 1: to be eleven, but I guess she's probably a.
Speaker 2: Little turning thirty one yeah, nuts, fourteen?
Speaker 1: Why is he so young? That's too young?
Speaker 2: I think this This was relatively hot off the presses
Speaker 2: of normal people, and he was hot, hot property. He
Speaker 2: was a personal hot spot after that show, everybody was
Speaker 2: trying to snap him up. Yes, Michael, I've seen after Son.
Speaker 2: You know, at the end of the day, he is
Speaker 2: a very good parent. He just has depression. Mm hm.
Speaker 2: And that's rough.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: God, the number of times I'd have to say to
Speaker 2: a child, I'm really sorry, I'm just I'm just really
Speaker 2: tired this. But that's because like the number of times
Speaker 2: I would snap at a child for doing something stupid
Speaker 2: and dumb and annoying and loud. Anyway, this unfortunately made
Speaker 2: me be like, okay, another reason not to have children, literally,
Speaker 2: like that is so rough. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: This is interesting. Uh, yes, yes, Michael, I have seen
Speaker 1: the film After Sun. I'm trying to read this trivia
Speaker 1: here where Charlotte Wells stated recently that in the two
Speaker 1: week rehearsal period when the cast and crew would do
Speaker 1: read throughs, her script purposefully did not contain any scenes
Speaker 1: where uh callum was alone, which is really where we
Speaker 1: see his depression. So that hm, so that it was
Speaker 1: sort of mysterious for Sophie as she's experiencing it, to
Speaker 1: like highlight that you know she's not aware. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: interesting too because I think a lot of them when
Speaker 1: he's alone, they were barely seen. It's more just shots
Speaker 1: of him nude and crying.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: No, that's not to be clear that it's not that
Speaker 1: it's not every time he's alone.
Speaker 2: On bel he gets nude and he cries the second
Speaker 2: he's alone.
Speaker 1: Oh after some that movie about the guy who gets
Speaker 1: nude and cries. That is not what the film was
Speaker 1: supposed to be about. Yeah, you tried telling me it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, Well would take away for me?
Speaker 1: Should we move on to our next segment, which is, uh,
Speaker 1: should you watch this? Or I believe that you had
Speaker 1: a suggestion for should you watch this?
Speaker 2: Org Okay, this is where we tell you if we
Speaker 2: think you should watch the movie or if you should
Speaker 2: do something else. I would say about after Son.
Speaker 1: If you.
Speaker 2: Have a personal connection to suicide and have lost a
Speaker 2: dear somebody who is dear to you who died by suicide, Hey,
Speaker 2: maybe don't watch this film.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: You will be confronting.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: But conversely, if you are on meds that make it
Speaker 2: difficult to cry and you'd really like to cry, and
Speaker 2: you've lost somebody very dear to you to suicide, hey,
Speaker 2: absolutely check out after Son. If neither of those are
Speaker 2: the case, Yeah, it's worth a watch. Beautiful, beautiful film.
Speaker 2: So no suggest strong acting, a little bit of nudity
Speaker 2: from the back though. If you don't want to watch
Speaker 2: this but you want to see a great pal mescal performance,
Speaker 2: I think he slaps in normal people. I think he's
Speaker 2: very good in it. And if you want something that's
Speaker 2: Brits on holiday but stupid, you can watch ben a
Speaker 2: dorm a show I've seen like two episodes of a
Speaker 2: while ago. Mm hmm, and it's very silly, Seanna, what
Speaker 2: would you say? Uh?
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm so sorry about this movie.
Speaker 2: We literally had no I was lolling I was lolling
Speaker 2: so much at us last week, being like, I don't
Speaker 2: even know what that.
Speaker 1: Is, like Summer Romance. I was, Yeah, I would say
Speaker 1: I really thought this movie did a beautiful job. I
Speaker 1: would not watch it without knowing what you were doing,
Speaker 1: because it's so intense. It's like very melancholy. It doesn't
Speaker 1: give any answers. It's just like, this is really sad
Speaker 1: and life can be really hard, and yeah, like people
Speaker 1: you love can struggle. It was really really sad. So though,
Speaker 1: I like, if you want to watch a movie that
Speaker 1: deals with those ideas, I think that this one is
Speaker 1: really tasteful and it's very beautiful and very thoughtful. But
Speaker 1: if you are not in a place for that, which
Speaker 1: I would really consider, something you could watch, which is
Speaker 1: the opposite. If you're feeling any of these things and
Speaker 1: you don't want to see anything like it, you could
Speaker 1: watch the show Ghosts, the British Ghosts, which Leanna put
Speaker 1: me onto, which is so delightful and I feel like
Speaker 1: it's sort of like a depression blaster, and I think
Speaker 1: I might watch it after this, after we've done OI this.
Speaker 2: They kind of go for a ghost ree watch. I
Speaker 2: love this idea fantastic.
Speaker 1: This film though, very beautiful, and I'm grateful that somebody
Speaker 1: thoughtfully made it. I really don't have takes about why
Speaker 1: how it could have been better in what it was
Speaker 1: trying to do. It did a great job. But after
Speaker 1: watching it, it really makes me want to watch Ghosts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need a little antidote, Sianna. What would you
Speaker 2: rate the film? After Son?
Speaker 1: I would give after Son four point eight all inclusive
Speaker 1: bracelets out of five, But again, I really think it
Speaker 1: nailed what it was doing. I would take those point
Speaker 1: two off for just like how messed up, how difficult
Speaker 1: it is. But I really I thought it was great.
Speaker 2: M yes, slave but terrible.
Speaker 1: Leanna. What would you rate it?
Speaker 2: I would give after Son two bunny ears out of five.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 2: That's entirely for personal reasons, not for me, Mama, totally,
Speaker 2: but I think it really did a great job at
Speaker 2: what it set out to do and I never want
Speaker 2: to see it again.
Speaker 1: Totally completely. It was It was crazy that this is
Speaker 1: what this movie was. Yeah, whoa, that's it.
Speaker 2: That's been tossed Popcorn's review of after Sun. Thank you
Speaker 2: everyone so much for listening. We are on Instagram at
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Speaker 1: Literally, the first two movies we've watched coming Back have
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Speaker 2: Dealing with things.
Speaker 1: I guess this is what you get when you watch
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Speaker 1: I thought you forgot your own name for a second and.
Speaker 2: I would not put it past this day. Yeah, I've
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Speaker 2: next week when we will be watching I know what
Speaker 2: it is Jemmy to just say, yeah, the Marvels, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be good. Can I say something to this? Can
Speaker 2: I do a rare thing? It's not a spoiler alert,
Speaker 2: but can I set the mood for you for this film?
Speaker 2: Just go into it expecting to have a stupid time. Okay,
Speaker 2: I will, Okay, all right, we have earned that, We've
Speaker 2: earned a stupid time.
Speaker 1: Okay, just a.
Speaker 2: Silly and stupid rob Okay, wonderful. We'll see you then,
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Speaker 2: Damn my god, remember rang Gina, Yes, so good that
Speaker 2: in that fat bottomed bottle.
Speaker 1: You really made the most of this traumatizing film experience
Speaker 1: because your notes. Your notes really cracked me up.
Speaker 2: You gotta be silly in the face of severe
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