WEBVTT - Bernie and Omar's Anti-Americanism

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Buck Sexton Show where the mission where

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<v Speaker 1>Buck Sexton Show begins, CIA Analyst. Remember he's a great guy. No,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben Weingarten

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<v Speaker 1>in four Bucks Sexton. Always a pleasure to be with you,

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<v Speaker 1>and want to start by thanking Buck as always for

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to fill his big shoes. We've got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to get to during this episode. As you may know,

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<v Speaker 1>this week, I released my new book American Ingred ilhan

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<v Speaker 1>Omar and the Progressive Islamists Takeover of the Democratic Party,

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<v Speaker 1>which uses ilhan Omar as sort of the personification the

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<v Speaker 1>symbol of where the Democratic Party is is going and

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<v Speaker 1>delves into the danger for American national security and ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>our core values and principles to the extent this hostile

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<v Speaker 1>takeover of the Party continues. So we'll get to that

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<v Speaker 1>directly and infuse that into some of the stories that

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<v Speaker 1>we grapple with during today's episode. We'll also talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the coronavirus. That's where we'll begin today's episode, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as a discussion on the corruption of our education system,

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Party, showing that democracy dies in darkness, the

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<v Speaker 1>increasingly hot confrontation with China in general and over Huawei,

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<v Speaker 1>and the all important fifth generation technology five G technology

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<v Speaker 1>in particular with David Goldman. Our education segment will be

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<v Speaker 1>with Joy Pullman of the Federalist and last, but not least,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll also have a conversation with Michael Pack, who is

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<v Speaker 1>the producer of a spectacular new documentary on Clarence Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>that I urge you to see. But as noted, the

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<v Speaker 1>big talk today the last several days is this potential

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic in the form of coronavirus. And this story, interestingly enough,

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<v Speaker 1>implicates a major theme that I've talked about on any

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<v Speaker 1>number of episodes filling in for Buck, dealing with US

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<v Speaker 1>China relations, the threat of the Chinese Communist Party, It's nature,

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately what the consequences are for all of us

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<v Speaker 1>to the degree to which it remains as strong as

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<v Speaker 1>it has been. So I want to talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>coronavirus story in context of what it says about China

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<v Speaker 1>and then what it says about America in our reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Frankly, the shameful, sickening, and disgusting reaction that

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen from the left politicizing an issue that cannot

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<v Speaker 1>be politicized. Just like national security should never be politicized

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<v Speaker 1>because it deals with the life and limb of American citizens,

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<v Speaker 1>so too it should be the same with anything public

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<v Speaker 1>health wise that is as major as this potential pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start, though, with China, where this whole thing started.

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<v Speaker 1>About ten days ago, Jimmy Lay, a media tycoon, ardent hawk,

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<v Speaker 1>anti Chinese Communist Party figure in Hong Kong, an owner

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<v Speaker 1>of the Apple Daily newspaper, which frequently takes a confrontational

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<v Speaker 1>tone towards the Chinese Communist Party, wrote an article in

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<v Speaker 1>The Wall Street Journal that I urge you to pick up,

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<v Speaker 1>read and let it absorb a little bit, because it

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<v Speaker 1>describes the nature of China and also what it means

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<v Speaker 1>for us. I'm going to read a little from that

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<v Speaker 1>article and you understand why. In a moment, he wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>there exists today no vaccine for the coronavirus now engulfing China.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a challenge for President Shi Jinping as he

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<v Speaker 1>struggles to contain it. But the spread of the coronavirus

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<v Speaker 1>has revealed a truth that poses a much greater risk

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<v Speaker 1>to mister She. There is no cure for Chinese communism

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<v Speaker 1>except the collapse of the party. The more mister She

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<v Speaker 1>pursues his authoritarian agenda, the more distrust he will sew

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<v Speaker 1>at home and abroad. Far from transforming Beijing into the

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<v Speaker 1>world's waiting superpower, his policies will instead keep China from

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<v Speaker 1>taking its rightful place of honor in a peaceful, modern

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<v Speaker 1>and integrated world. This much should already be clear from

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<v Speaker 1>how badly Chinese authorities have botched their response to a

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<v Speaker 1>virus that each day claims more innocent Chinese wives. He

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<v Speaker 1>goes on to describe the Chinese authorities quashing those doctors

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<v Speaker 1>who were speaking out in the Wuhan province where this

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<v Speaker 1>outbreak started. When the outbreak did happen and a seafood

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<v Speaker 1>market was identified as the probable origin of the virus,

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<v Speaker 1>local authorities closed it down. They hid the threat, telling

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<v Speaker 1>the public that the market was merely being renovated. In

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<v Speaker 1>other words, as the outbreak was already underway, the local

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<v Speaker 1>government did what communist governments always do. Cover up. Deception

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<v Speaker 1>is China's true real rule of law and let me

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<v Speaker 1>stop right there. Deception has been at the core of

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<v Speaker 1>every communist aalitarian regime in the history of mankind. Why

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<v Speaker 1>because the truth is the strongest weapon against its totalitarian regime.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why they need to control the flow of information,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the way, why they want to control all

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<v Speaker 1>information and communications around the world through as we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about a bit later, dominating fifth generation five G network infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 1>Lie goes on. Now, the world must start asking something

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<v Speaker 1>that Chinese people living under communism ask themselves every day.

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<v Speaker 1>How reliable can China's political, social, and economic institutions be

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<v Speaker 1>when it's local government leaders routinely lie to their citizens

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<v Speaker 1>and superiors alike, Mister she has no understanding of this.

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<v Speaker 1>He talks of a people's war on the coronavirus and

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<v Speaker 1>has mobilized vast resources to combat at Communist governments excel

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<v Speaker 1>at mobilizing resources because their command economies and these big

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<v Speaker 1>actions quarantining entire cities, deploying the military, building hospitals, overnights

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<v Speaker 1>can look impressive, but their efficacy is hobbled by the

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<v Speaker 1>lack of free community. And that's what prevented Doctor Lee,

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor who is a whistleblower on this who himself

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<v Speaker 1>succumbed to the virus February seventh from getting his findings

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<v Speaker 1>out in a way that might have avoided much of

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<v Speaker 1>this pain. And the same problem makes it so that

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<v Speaker 1>no one in China can ever trust what anyone else says.

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<v Speaker 1>That goes for mister she himself. China's president cannot trust

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<v Speaker 1>the information he is getting. The lack of trust means

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<v Speaker 1>he must make decisions in the dark. No institution can

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<v Speaker 1>function effectively this way. But stop for a moment just

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<v Speaker 1>to point out that again, the free flow of information

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<v Speaker 1>is pivotal to free societies, precisely because good ideas compete

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<v Speaker 1>with bad ideas, and hopefully the best ideas went out

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<v Speaker 1>if we're not suicidal in capitalism, why does capitalism work?

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<v Speaker 1>Because there are price signals. There are prices that tell

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<v Speaker 1>us how much people desire of a product and how

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<v Speaker 1>much they're willing to pay for it. Coordinate the actions

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<v Speaker 1>of millions of people, hundreds of millions, billions of people,

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<v Speaker 1>and tell of those who are bringing those goods and

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<v Speaker 1>services to market whether or not they're doing the right

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<v Speaker 1>job and fulfilling the demand properly through profits and losses

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<v Speaker 1>that can be analogized to governments making decisions as well,

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<v Speaker 1>to the extent they have to intervene in different areas

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<v Speaker 1>of our lives. If you have no price signals, you

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<v Speaker 1>fail ultimately. That's why all these communist countries do ultimately fail.

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<v Speaker 1>But they can hang on for an awful long time

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<v Speaker 1>and create a ton of misery and kill millions of

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<v Speaker 1>people in the process. Let me continue a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>from this article. The Communist Party sees things differently. It's

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<v Speaker 1>leaders are betting the projects such as the Belt and

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<v Speaker 1>Road Initiative, Whawa's advanced five G wireless network, and the

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<v Speaker 1>MAIDE in China twenty twenty five industrial policy will ensure

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<v Speaker 1>China's global supremacy in the decades ahead. He says. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>assume for the moment that this is true. Without institutions

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<v Speaker 1>and a culture of trust, the China dream will prove empty.

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<v Speaker 1>The Chinese Communist Party continues to rule using deception and fear,

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<v Speaker 1>but as the coronavirus evolves into a global pandemic, it

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<v Speaker 1>undermines the case for authoritarian competence. Even worse for party

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<v Speaker 1>leaders is the potential for public unrest when the fear

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<v Speaker 1>of death seems more menacing and immediate than the fear

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<v Speaker 1>of dictatorship, and he quoses out his article by saying,

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<v Speaker 1>this the devil's bargain. Mister She has always offered the

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<v Speaker 1>people of China as this surrender your freedom and an

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<v Speaker 1>exchange you will enjoy continuing material improvement in your day

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<v Speaker 1>to day lives. But if the consequence of surrendering your

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<v Speaker 1>freedom may be losing your life, that becomes a much

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<v Speaker 1>harder sell. Today, mister She is still seeking more control

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<v Speaker 1>as it means to stop the coronavirus, But control does

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<v Speaker 1>not mean stability, especially when it helps create and feed

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<v Speaker 1>a health epidemic. If the coronavirus does nothing more than

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<v Speaker 1>expose this single truth, it may prove as revolutionary as

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<v Speaker 1>any event in China's history. Let's just point out that

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<v Speaker 1>our Democratic Party today wants control over every aspect of

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<v Speaker 1>our economy and in particular healthcare. They want a nationalized

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare system. We see what happens in China when you

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<v Speaker 1>have a commanding control of so maybe those who are

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<v Speaker 1>attacking our president this administration ought to step back a

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<v Speaker 1>second and look in the mirror, and in the next

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<v Speaker 1>segment we will talk about that. But I want to

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<v Speaker 1>tie this back to the fact the story of Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Lai himself, who wrote this op ed. It was revealed

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<v Speaker 1>that he was arrested today in Hong Kong Friday in

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<v Speaker 1>Hong Kong, quote, according to one article, for taking part

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<v Speaker 1>in an unauthorized anti government in March last year amid

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<v Speaker 1>the city's most serious political crisis for decades. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>repeat that again. He writes this op ed ten days

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<v Speaker 1>ago talking about the Chinese Communist Party's failures with respect

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<v Speaker 1>to coronavirus. Ten days later, arrested in Hong Kong for

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<v Speaker 1>his role supposedly in protests. Christian Wynn wrote a great

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<v Speaker 1>piece on this I urge your read it on Fox Business,

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<v Speaker 1>where he notes that he and two others Jimmy Lay

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<v Speaker 1>and two others were charged and released for a legal

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<v Speaker 1>assembly so called related to one of the scores of

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<v Speaker 1>mass gatherings against the government that have taken place ince

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<v Speaker 1>West June Andrew Ie, a pro democracy member of Hong

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<v Speaker 1>Kong's Legislative Council, observed quote the three were not even organizers.

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<v Speaker 1>This is clearly political persecution. Authorities also reportedly charged by

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<v Speaker 1>with allegedly intimidating a reporter in twenty seventeen by using

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<v Speaker 1>foul language. That journalist works for Oriental Daily, a pro

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<v Speaker 1>Beijing competitor newspaper. In reality, the Hong Kong government, whose

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<v Speaker 1>activities are increasingly directed by Beijing and the Chinese Communist Party,

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to use the disastrous coronavirus outbreak to its advantage.

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<v Speaker 1>Protests have dropped off due to concern about the outbreak.

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<v Speaker 1>Rather than focus all of their energy on public health,

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<v Speaker 1>authorities are evidently hoping instead to crack down on pro

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<v Speaker 1>democracy sentiments. This politics before health conduct fits with actions

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<v Speaker 1>by China's Communist government on the mainland, which included harassing

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<v Speaker 1>doctors who warned of the outbreak and misuading the world

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<v Speaker 1>of its severity and scope. So what is my takeaway

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<v Speaker 1>from all of this before we talk about the impact

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<v Speaker 1>on America and what a response has been. We cannot

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<v Speaker 1>or certainly should not rely on China for anything essential.

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<v Speaker 1>And you may have seen so many of the everyday

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<v Speaker 1>medicines that we use in this country are produced in China,

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<v Speaker 1>delivered by China. Parts used in American weaponry, in our vehicles,

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<v Speaker 1>in our computers, and other critical technology that we use

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<v Speaker 1>every second of every day made in China, the network

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<v Speaker 1>infrastructure or the phones that we rely on to the

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<v Speaker 1>extent it's Huawei back and even if it's not related

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<v Speaker 1>to h Huawei necessarily made in China. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>make the case for decoupling from China. Why we need

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<v Speaker 1>to shift our supply chains away exhibit A. This pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>Not even to mention SARS and other problems that we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen before this, you cannot be tied inextricably intertwined to

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<v Speaker 1>a Chinese Communist Party led China. You can't. When I

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<v Speaker 1>come back, we'll talk about the way that the Democrats cynically, shockingly,

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<v Speaker 1>sickeningly are trying to capitalize on this crisis. This has

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<v Speaker 1>been one garden for Buck Sexon here in the Buck

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<v Speaker 1>Sexon Show. Be back just after this. You're in the

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<v Speaker 1>Freedom Hunt. This is the Buck Sexon Show podcast. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to the Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben Weinegarden

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<v Speaker 1>in for Buck Sexton. And before the break we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking a bit about coronavirus, which has shocked those in

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<v Speaker 1>our financial markets. And you've likely seen if you're watching

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<v Speaker 1>your four oh one K or any of your portfolios

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<v Speaker 1>that the last several days, the markets have tanked, to

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<v Speaker 1>put it lightly, because of the spread of coronavirus to

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<v Speaker 1>the African continent, including it one of its largest countries

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<v Speaker 1>in Nigeria, in places like Italy, and then of course

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<v Speaker 1>several cases here in the US as well. And Sean Davis,

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<v Speaker 1>my colleague at the Federalists, had a great line about

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<v Speaker 1>what the reaction has been here. He said, a handful

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<v Speaker 1>of this is a tweet, a handful of never Trump

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<v Speaker 1>a looo, and left wing media personalities are really struggling

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<v Speaker 1>between bashing the redneck prepper rubes for being prepared for

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<v Speaker 1>coronavirus quarantines and blaming Trump for not doing enough to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent global pandemic that started in China. It's so strange, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is strange. Indeed, this is an issue where there

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<v Speaker 1>cannot be the hyper politicization that there is in everything else,

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<v Speaker 1>but the left is forcing it. My argument is simply this,

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<v Speaker 1>we are talking about a potential pandemic and Democrats are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to use this to bash the president. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to destroy ourselves if we can't get over political bickering

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<v Speaker 1>and snipering in the face of all the myriad threats

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<v Speaker 1>that we face, and it's to be expected, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>no less shameful. I think that the responses from the

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<v Speaker 1>media and other Democrats attacking the Trump administration's fitness to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with this issue, because they love to talk, always

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the fitness, notwithstanding their own problems, really reflects

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<v Speaker 1>Actually they're not only their willingness to try to win

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<v Speaker 1>at all costs by politicizing anything and everything, but how

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<v Speaker 1>desperate they are going into twenty twenty. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that they're holding onto a disaster in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they want. That is what they are saying

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day. And you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>saw this before the midterm elections as well, many of

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<v Speaker 1>them cheering on any sort of economic correction contraction because

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<v Speaker 1>they know, they admit that the Trump economy is strong.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same thing here, but it's even more sick

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<v Speaker 1>because this is again about the life and limb of

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<v Speaker 1>American citizens, the first priority of every single representative, or

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<v Speaker 1>what is supposed to be the first priority of every

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<v Speaker 1>single one of our so called representatives. But for a second,

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<v Speaker 1>let's also point out who the party is. If they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to politicize this, they should be caught out for

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that this is a Democratic party that couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>build a functioning healthcare website with three hundred million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to take over all of healthcare. They can't

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<v Speaker 1>build a website with infinite resources behind it for their

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<v Speaker 1>Obamacare portal. This a party that couldn't run a caucus

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<v Speaker 1>in Iowa. The AP just announced it will not be

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<v Speaker 1>able to declare a winner after certification is finally completed,

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<v Speaker 1>which I believe it's used to be tomorrow, weeks after

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<v Speaker 1>the caucus. This is a party of open borders. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>according to one report, Brandon Judd, the president of the

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<v Speaker 1>National Border Patrol Council, said on February tenth that there

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<v Speaker 1>were three Chinese nationals who were apprehended illegally entering Texas

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<v Speaker 1>with food symptoms and who had to be quarantined. Luckily

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't have the coronavirus. But this is a wake

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<v Speaker 1>up call, he said. This is a party of Bolshevik

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie Sanders, do you really think that with a socialized

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare system, we're going to be able to quickly innovate

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<v Speaker 1>and get vital vaccines to the marketplace. No, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go the exact same way as China. You think Bernie

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<v Speaker 1>would be able to deal with the equivalent of a Chernobyl.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, we haven't had Chernobyls precisely because

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<v Speaker 1>we're not the Soviet Union, we haven't had Chernobyls. But

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<v Speaker 1>you have to think twice about if they were in power.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not politicizing it. I'm saying that it is

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<v Speaker 1>a threat when they are in power potentially. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>also not saying that I would be attacking them while

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<v Speaker 1>they were in power. I would be providing criticism intended

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<v Speaker 1>to push them towards doing the right things. Were they

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<v Speaker 1>in power, with he and his central planners and his

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<v Speaker 1>czars overseeing everything, you would run the risk of Chernobyls.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do I think ultimately happens. If we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to focus on the political aspect of this for a second,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is going to backfire on Democrats. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a good chance of it because while this

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<v Speaker 1>is something of a September October surprise, except months in advance,

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<v Speaker 1>which they probably view as a bad thing about this

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<v Speaker 1>potential pandemic emerging, I think the Trump arrangement syndrome is

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<v Speaker 1>going to backfire here. They could have said, if the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats could have said, this is the time to come together,

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<v Speaker 1>rise up a partnership, act like grown ups, even if

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<v Speaker 1>they don't believe it, they could have said that. They

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<v Speaker 1>could have pandered. They didn't. And what I think they're

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<v Speaker 1>underestimating here is that one of the core traits that

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<v Speaker 1>Trump exudes, and he has from the time he descended

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<v Speaker 1>on that escalator, is strength, fortitude, anti political correctness, goal based,

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<v Speaker 1>pragmatic again, strength at core, and do what needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be done and cut the bs. So in a wartime

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<v Speaker 1>sort of mode or a crisis kind of mode, you

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<v Speaker 1>can bet that he's going to exude strength and patriotism

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<v Speaker 1>and seek to instill confidence in the American people. And

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<v Speaker 1>I am confident that we certainly have the capability to

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<v Speaker 1>grapple with any sort of disaster to befollow us as

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<v Speaker 1>a country, but not to the extent half the country

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<v Speaker 1>or the party representing half the country embraces an anti

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<v Speaker 1>American ethos like as I'll talk about the party that

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<v Speaker 1>is now Bernie Sanders and ilhan Omar, the American ingrate,

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<v Speaker 1>as my book title is, party Now represents. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Weegarden for Buck Sexon on the Buck Sex and Show.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back at just after this. Thanks for listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the Bus Sex and Show podcasts. Remember to subscribe

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<v Speaker 1>on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get

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<v Speaker 1>your podcasts. Welcome back to the Buck Sex and Show.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Ben Wee Garden in for Buck Sexton. And

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<v Speaker 1>as I noted at the top of the show, this

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<v Speaker 1>week I released my first book, American ingrate ilhan Omar

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<v Speaker 1>and the Progressive Islamist Takeover of the Democratic Party. And

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<v Speaker 1>I urge you to get your hands on at least

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<v Speaker 1>a few copies of the book, one for you, one

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<v Speaker 1>for your kids who need to read this before they

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<v Speaker 1>get indoctrinated in the schools that we're about to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about a little bit later, and we have another generation

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<v Speaker 1>of anti American self loathing fellow citizens. And then as well,

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<v Speaker 1>to bug any of your Bolshevik Bernie Brow friends, not

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<v Speaker 1>really to bug them, honestly, but to point out that

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<v Speaker 1>for those who are would fashion themselves JFK Democrats, your

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<v Speaker 1>grandfather's Democrats or your father's Democrats, to understand the stakes

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<v Speaker 1>if the Democratic Party is to be fully taken over

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<v Speaker 1>by its progressive wing, and that is sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>broader message that comes out of American Ingred, but it

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<v Speaker 1>uses ilhan Omar as the figure to get there and

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<v Speaker 1>also delves into not just the danger posed by an

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<v Speaker 1>anti American blame America first cohort of Democrats dominating that party,

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<v Speaker 1>but also the danger that ilhan Omar herself poses. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to tease that out and explain it in

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<v Speaker 1>just a second, but I first want to point out

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<v Speaker 1>people talk about ilhan Omar and focus on this figure ingratitude.

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<v Speaker 1>That ingrate in my title is I think what the

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<v Speaker 1>viscerally negative reaction is to someone who says that on

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<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven, some people did something, or maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see this tweet that Thanksgiving is a time to

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<v Speaker 1>remember that this is a country founded on genocide and

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<v Speaker 1>colonialism and it's only continued that America is the scourge

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<v Speaker 1>of the earth, conceived in sin and continuing to sin

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<v Speaker 1>in every engagement we've been involved in a country that

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<v Speaker 1>is unjust demanding a completely radicalized social justice so called

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<v Speaker 1>agenda that would actually hurt the very people ilhan Omar

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<v Speaker 1>claims to speak for, and by the way, her district

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<v Speaker 1>is ranked on any number of measures as one of

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<v Speaker 1>the worst in the country for Black Americans minorities, who

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<v Speaker 1>she claims again to speak for, and her party claims

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<v Speaker 1>to speak for. Someone who believes in overturning our capitalist order,

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<v Speaker 1>free homes for all who need it, socialized medicine, abolish ice,

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<v Speaker 1>so free for all at our borders, no actual freedom

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<v Speaker 1>for American citizens, and the imperiling of our life and whim.

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<v Speaker 1>But again we need to It cannot be emphasized enough

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<v Speaker 1>that on top of the radicalism, and we haven't even

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<v Speaker 1>talked about all of the jew hatred reflected in her

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<v Speaker 1>remarks and her associations and ties, and in spite of

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<v Speaker 1>the alleged criminality associated with the bizarre allegation backed up

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<v Speaker 1>with substantial evidence, and I go in chapter and verse

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<v Speaker 1>an American ingreat to talk about it that she fraudulently

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<v Speaker 1>married her brother, a foreign national, in order to have

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<v Speaker 1>him come over here, get an education, and then leave,

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<v Speaker 1>at which point she reunited with the person with whom

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<v Speaker 1>she had been with for years before and might have

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<v Speaker 1>still been with during the years where she was married

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<v Speaker 1>so called to this foreign national. On top of all

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<v Speaker 1>of the raft of criminality associated with that, and it

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<v Speaker 1>implicates not just marriage fraud and immigration fraud, but also

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<v Speaker 1>student loan fraud as well, so educational fraud with respect

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<v Speaker 1>to the public funding used to get him into school,

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<v Speaker 1>same school she attended, and then perjuring herself in the

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<v Speaker 1>divorce proceedings where she broke off the relationship with this man,

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<v Speaker 1>and then also by the way, tax fraud associated with

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that she filed jointly with her current husband,

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<v Speaker 1>now actually divorced, but the person who she would ultimately marry,

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<v Speaker 1>with whom she had had three children, filing jointly for

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<v Speaker 1>taxes when she was not technically married to him and

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<v Speaker 1>still technically married to this previous person that she had

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly fraudulent, fraudulently married. Leave aside all that craziness for

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<v Speaker 1>a second. Consider that background in context of how powerful

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<v Speaker 1>Omar is not just symbolically but substantively. She was recently

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<v Speaker 1>named the co chair of Democratic front runner Bernie Sanders

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<v Speaker 1>campaign in the pivotal twenty twenty state of Minnesota, along

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<v Speaker 1>with another gem Keith Ellison, the state attorney general whose

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<v Speaker 1>seats she took when she became a member of the House.

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<v Speaker 1>She recently proposed a battery of foreign policy bills that

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Rhodes described as the new progressive baseline. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a foreign policy agenda that is about so called justice, equality, fairness,

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<v Speaker 1>making up for America's sins by appeasement, submission, demilitarizing quote unquote,

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<v Speaker 1>and then, unless we forget this is a member of

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<v Speaker 1>the House who, in spite of her known vario and

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<v Speaker 1>anti semitism, the blame America first positions and siding with

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<v Speaker 1>our adversaries by the way, as I'll get to in

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<v Speaker 1>a moment, and the potentially commising background that would stop

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<v Speaker 1>her from ever being able to get a security clearance

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<v Speaker 1>under normal circumstances, but she doesn't need it because she

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<v Speaker 1>has that House Foreign Affairs Committee seats and as a

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<v Speaker 1>member of Congress, and oh, by the way, Grapple is

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<v Speaker 1>with the most sensitive national security and foreign policy information

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<v Speaker 1>and issues on that committee. She is able to act

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<v Speaker 1>with total impunity while holding those positions because her party

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<v Speaker 1>is effectively condoned her rhetoric and her behavior. And it

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<v Speaker 1>started first when they put her on that committee, powerful committee,

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<v Speaker 1>in what seems like a deal that Speaker Pelosi made

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<v Speaker 1>with Party progressives to appease them by putting her in

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<v Speaker 1>that spot, knowing some of the things that she had

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<v Speaker 1>said about Israel hypnotizing the world in her infamous tweet

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<v Speaker 1>years before, and party officials, by the way, in Minneapolis

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<v Speaker 1>area had warned about this. They were nervous about it.

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<v Speaker 1>They had an intervention with her about it before she

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<v Speaker 1>ever won that House seat. Clearly the intervention didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>The red lion was when her party refused to censure

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<v Speaker 1>her by name and for her specific comments regarding the

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<v Speaker 1>so called Israel lobby and her invocation of other anti

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<v Speaker 1>Semitic tropes. But again, what it shows is that the

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<v Speaker 1>party has caved to its progressive wing. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>want the clearest example of it, we have Bernie Sanders

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<v Speaker 1>right now as the front runner. But before that note,

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<v Speaker 1>we had impeachment. Can you imagine Nancy Pelosi, under normal circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>in a world where the squad didn't exist, would have

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<v Speaker 1>pushed for that impeachment. Do you think Gerald Nadwer would

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<v Speaker 1>have been on board. Do you think Elliot Angele would

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<v Speaker 1>would have been on board? Honestly, do you think Adam

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<v Speaker 1>Shift necessarily would have been on board? You probably didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even hear about Adam Shift's name until the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years. Why question is why, and the answer is

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<v Speaker 1>because they saw when AOC was elected that any one

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<v Speaker 1>of them could get picked off in a primary. The

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic establishment is terrified. You see it in the effort

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<v Speaker 1>likely to steal a nomination from Bernie Sanders, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to that a little bit later. And you see

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<v Speaker 1>it in the candidates staking out more radically left positions

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<v Speaker 1>than candidates have ever staked out before, pandering to a

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<v Speaker 1>left wing that they had not many of them had

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<v Speaker 1>not fully associated within the past. And you see it

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<v Speaker 1>in the decisions that Spuccre Pelosi has made and some

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<v Speaker 1>of the bills that have been brought to the floor

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<v Speaker 1>in the House. And it is precisely because they fear

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<v Speaker 1>for their political lives, because they know that there are

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<v Speaker 1>many aocs out there, and there are many ilhan Omar's

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<v Speaker 1>out there. So when you see Bernie Sanders embrace in

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<v Speaker 1>ilhan Omar, obviously he's there with her already, but it

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<v Speaker 1>reflects the fact that this progressive poison is ascendant in

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Party. And how can a party that represents

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<v Speaker 1>half the country be an anti American party and keep

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<v Speaker 1>this country actually together? What will unite us. At the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, it's completely about disunifying the country.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about pitting people against each other. It's why, as

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<v Speaker 1>I go into great depth in this book American Ingrate,

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<v Speaker 1>I talk about Ilhan Omar's intersectionality and politics of identity,

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<v Speaker 1>which is all about dividing us, rubbing raw the sores

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<v Speaker 1>in our society to put us against each other, divide

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<v Speaker 1>us and ultimately take us down. But from their perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>taking us down is bringing us up to another level,

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<v Speaker 1>because in their perverse worldview, bringing America down, putting America second,

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 1>is America first for them, that blame America first ideology.

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 1>For them, the old is the only moral just thing

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<v Speaker 1>to do, because we are the worst country in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of mankind in their view. So at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, why does Congresswoman Omar matter? Why should

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<v Speaker 1>we care about the fact that she has been elevated

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<v Speaker 1>and embraced by her party? And I make the comprehensive

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<v Speaker 1>case in American in Grade that she has indeed been

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<v Speaker 1>embraced by the party because what she represents symbolically and

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>her own power substantively is being embraced by the front

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<v Speaker 1>runner of the party. Is where the party is shifting ideologically.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a leading indicator, if not an indicator of the

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:19.160
<v Speaker 1>fact that the party is already there with her. And

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<v Speaker 1>I will talk about the danger of the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>she is where she is and the party is where

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>they are. Just after this break, this has been one

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<v Speaker 1>garden for Buck Sexon on the Buck sex and show

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<v Speaker 1>back just after this you're in the Freedom Hud. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the Buck Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to the

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Buck Sexon Show. This is Ben Weine Garden in for

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Bucks Sexon and we have been talking about the release

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<v Speaker 1>of my new book. Very excited about it. The reception

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<v Speaker 1>has been exceptional so far. If you hadn't seen Newt

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 1>gang Ridge tweeted about it and said essentially that American

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<v Speaker 1>ingred ilhan Omar and the progressive Islamist takeover of the

0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party shows exactly where this anti americanism and radicalism

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 1>reflected in Bernie Sanders for example, and by the way,

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 1>many other Democrat candidates refusing to speak at APAC. The

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<v Speaker 1>American Israel Joint Group Bipartisan are arguably a left leaning group. Honestly,

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 1>they won't speak there. In in Bernie's embrace of Castro

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<v Speaker 1>and the Communists. And I appreciate speaker gang Rich making

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<v Speaker 1>that point because it's an essential one that this represents,

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:37.960
<v Speaker 1>this progressive movement represents anti Americanism. Blame America first, put

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 1>American second, third, not just second to third, put Americans last.

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 1>And as I've argued, a vote for Bernie Sanders is

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<v Speaker 1>a vote for ilan Omar and the ideology she embraces.

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>And again that is where the Democratic Party is right

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<v Speaker 1>now with Bernie as the front runner. Now. In terms

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<v Speaker 1>of ilhan Omar's own danger as an individual, I noted

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the alleged criminality, the anti American positions. I also talked

0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:10.240
<v Speaker 1>about the ethics violations, or if I didn't, she has

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 1>had ethics violations with respect to her campaign spending, refuses

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<v Speaker 1>to answer when questioned on almost any of this, and

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<v Speaker 1>then she has all the substantial power that we've talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>Not mentioned is her Islamist collusion, and that is with

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<v Speaker 1>foreign regimes, dignitaries associated with Sunni Islamist groups, her support

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 1>of Shia Islamists. With respect to the Iranian Molocracy, she

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 1>stands with the Iranian Molocracy and its allies against America's

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 1>partners in several of the Sunni Arab states like Saudi

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 1>Arabia and Egypt and Jordan, and of course our key

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<v Speaker 1>partner ally in the region, Israel, who perversely, amazingly, as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of the Obama administration policies, has now ended

0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 1>up in a partnership with these countries that before would

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<v Speaker 1>have sought to destroy Israel, an amazing thing, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the only positives of the Obama foreign policy agenda. Miraculously

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<v Speaker 1>this has all transpired and materialized. But ilhan Omar's own

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<v Speaker 1>Islamist collusion, and I had a editorial about this in

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Post this week. I urge you to

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<v Speaker 1>check out just regarding ilhan Omar's ties to Turkey alone,

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<v Speaker 1>and the jumping off point for this, and actually the

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 1>jumping off point for the whole book was at a

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<v Speaker 1>picture surface of ilhan Omar as a state representative in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen meeting with Turkish President er Towan on the

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<v Speaker 1>sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York. So

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<v Speaker 1>the first question you have to ask is why the

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<v Speaker 1>heck is air to one meeting with a state representative

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<v Speaker 1>from Minnesota on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly,

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<v Speaker 1>and the reporting very scant and often foreign language on

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<v Speaker 1>that meeting shows that they were talking about Turkish Somalia

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<v Speaker 1>relations of all things, which is bizarre. Omar, a native

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<v Speaker 1>of Somalia, has maintained incredibly close ties to a Somali

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<v Speaker 1>regime that is one of the most corrupted in the world.

0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 1>It's a Shariah based regime. It's a constitution talks about

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>social justice and Shariah, which fits in perfectly with Ilhan.

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Omar's associations with all manner of Islamist and her pro

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Islamic identity combined with her progressivism, and she has talked

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<v Speaker 1>about her views of Islam and Islam itself being a ideology,

0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 1>a theopolitical ideology that fits with this social justice milieu

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 1>as well. I go into great length to talk about

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 1>her ties and several meetings that she's had with senior

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Turkish officials, including Ardwan, her taking fifteen hundred dollars from

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:45.600
<v Speaker 1>a man reported to be er Towan's cousin who lobbies

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 1>through a Turkish group against things like, for example, the

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<v Speaker 1>recent House resolution to recognize the Armadian genocide perpetrated by

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<v Speaker 1>the Ottoman Turks, which the Turkish government hates terrible pr

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 1>for them, so she takes fifteen hundred dollars from him.

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 1>She meets with all of these officials fifteen hundred dollars

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>in campaign contributions, that is, meets with all these Turkish officials,

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 1>says she's going to say nice things about Turkey, has

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<v Speaker 1>said nice things about Turkey and context in particular of

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Turkey helping Somalia, which again, what is a US representative,

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Why does she have a stake in this? What is

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 1>her equity in that issue? She is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>only people not to vote to censure or rather to

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<v Speaker 1>recognize the Armadian genocide as being perpetrated by the Ottoman Turks.

0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 1>And then she also votes against sanctions on Turkey. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a person who loves sanctions when it comes to Israel,

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 1>and she's tweeted BDS Saudi BDS Saudi Arabia before, but

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 1>then she goes out she votes against sanctions on Turkey

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:48.480
<v Speaker 1>over their incursion into Northern Syria against the Kurds, and

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>that was overwhelmingly bipartisan support for those sanctions, just like

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:58.120
<v Speaker 1>there was overwhelming bipartisan support for that aforementioned resolution. She

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 1>takes Turkey's side on those issues, and then she writes

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<v Speaker 1>in the Washington Post about how she's really against sanctions

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to Turkey. They're detrimental, they hurt people,

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 1>They're all these terrible humanitarian knock on effects, but completely

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:13.799
<v Speaker 1>silent on how she squares that with her support of

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:18.840
<v Speaker 1>the terror tied BDS movement against Israel. That's just Turkey.

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<v Speaker 1>But I document at great length in this book Elanomer's

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:26.280
<v Speaker 1>ties again to Somali leaders, some of whom are terror tied,

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 1>certainly corrupt her own husband in law serving in that

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:39.840
<v Speaker 1>regime ultimately. And then her affiliations with all manner of

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 1>anti American, anti Israeli radical groups and individuals in the US,

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 1>including care which of course was an unindicted co conspirator

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:53.040
<v Speaker 1>in the largest terrorism financing case dealing with Hamas in

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.400
<v Speaker 1>US history. And these ties are legion And we are

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<v Speaker 1>talking about her speaking in front of these groups, her

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:03.759
<v Speaker 1>appearing pictured with these individuals, working with these individuals on

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<v Speaker 1>any number of issues in Congress, her taking money from them,

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<v Speaker 1>campaign contributions to the tune of over twenty thousand dollars

0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>from Islamist linked individuals, and that was only as of

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:18.160
<v Speaker 1>last year. You put all this together, and she represents

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the personification of what I deem the Progressive Islamist Alliance

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 1>or axis, and it is jew hatred that is the

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 1>glue that holds that intersectionalist alliance together as representative of

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>ultimately hatred for Judaeo Christian Western civilization. And that at

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:38.320
<v Speaker 1>core is the importance of this book. It is about

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<v Speaker 1>a war on us. So I urge you to pick

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 1>up American Ingrate, ilhan Omar and the Progressive Islamist take

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<v Speaker 1>Over the Democratic Party. Tweet out a picture of it,

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<v Speaker 1>be happy to sign copies. This has been wandering in

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:50.439
<v Speaker 1>for Buck sex And on the Buck Sex and Show,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll be back just after this. Thanks for listening

0:35:53.680 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 1>to the Bus Sex and Show podcasts. Remember to subscribe

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<v Speaker 1>on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or where you get

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>your podcasts. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:09.399
<v Speaker 1>is Ben wine Garden in for Buck Sexton, and we

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:14.000
<v Speaker 1>open today's show by talking about coronavirus and in particular

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:18.280
<v Speaker 1>what the implications are and what it tells us about

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<v Speaker 1>the ruling Chinese Communist Party, which, as I've argued at length,

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 1>is the number one threat to American liberty engaged in

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:30.520
<v Speaker 1>a whole of government comprehensive strategy to become not just

0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 1>a regional hegemon, but the world hegemon as well as

0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:41.839
<v Speaker 1>the impact on America and frankly, the catastrophic consequences to

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:45.359
<v Speaker 1>the extent we are going to politicize a potential pandemic

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 1>that we're just going to tear ourselves apart as a country, which,

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:49.840
<v Speaker 1>by the way, of course, is what all of our

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 1>adversaries love. In some ways, it's almost providing a lifeline

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:57.360
<v Speaker 1>to the Chinese Communist Party because when you consider the coronavirus,

0:36:57.400 --> 0:37:00.920
<v Speaker 1>after the quote unquote trade war that they have endured

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:04.800
<v Speaker 1>under the Trump administration, after what transpired in Hong Kong,

0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 1>they've had a lot of losses over the past few years,

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:15.400
<v Speaker 1>and the coronavirus, of course, is having massive economic consequences.

0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 1>You have all manner of Western businesses shutting down operations there.

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 1>We've already seen the shift of supply chains, which I

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 1>think is a welcome development and which President Trump himself

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>has encouraged in tweets and statements in the past. But

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:32.440
<v Speaker 1>it ought to be noted that there are other dimensions

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 1>to this competition as well, and the threat posed by

0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 1>the Chinese Communist Party has not receded, even though it

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:45.319
<v Speaker 1>has substantial problems right now as a consequence both of

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 1>this emerging potential global pandemic as well as the consequences

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:55.919
<v Speaker 1>of the so called trade war that has transpired to date.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is an area that I think again is

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 1>the seminal contribution on the foreign policy side of the

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Trump administration, which has been the reorientation of US national

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:11.319
<v Speaker 1>security and foreign policy towards the Chinese Communist Party. And

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:15.000
<v Speaker 1>in spite of how critical I have been on this

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 1>show in the past, of a politicized law enforcement, particular

0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:23.799
<v Speaker 1>at its most senior levels, abusing the spy apparatus, the

0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 1>intelligence apparatus, weaponizing and politicizing it in a bid to

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 1>not just undermine the Trump administration agenda, but really ultimately

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.280
<v Speaker 1>as an attack on us, we the people who voted

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 1>for it and who voted to overturn establishment policy and

0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:46.080
<v Speaker 1>again focus on America first, on China. There has been

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing sort of bipartisan realization that the status quo

0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:55.239
<v Speaker 1>is untenable, unsustainable, and does pose a great risk ultimately,

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:58.360
<v Speaker 1>and we're not fully there, as you see with Mike Bloomberg,

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:00.799
<v Speaker 1>for example, who won't call she dictator and says he

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.480
<v Speaker 1>has to answer to his constituents, when his constituents are

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:06.240
<v Speaker 1>other people in the Chinese Communist Party who threatened his power.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of the day, it's laughable. And of

0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:12.719
<v Speaker 1>course many of these candidates directly or indirectly have had

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<v Speaker 1>commercial financial ties to China in the past as well,

0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:22.319
<v Speaker 1>so disastrous on that count. But there has been a realization,

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:26.759
<v Speaker 1>I think, and I think it's pretty well documented in

0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:29.400
<v Speaker 1>the highest reaches of the US government and even on

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:32.239
<v Speaker 1>a bipartisan basis to some degree, with the likes of

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 1>even Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, a realization that we

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<v Speaker 1>have given China the world since we've opened that relationship,

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>and at every single point of crisis, we as a

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 1>nation have really caved to them. Probably the best example

0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 1>of this, the most horrendous example of this being in

0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 1>the wake of TMMN Square, when the Chinese Communist Party

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 1>engaged in a disaster and we essentially let them off

0:39:57.040 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the hook and said the status quo will continue, and

0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:04.479
<v Speaker 1>we have enabled the Chinese Communist Party to get rich,

0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 1>and they've thanked us by continuing to steal our crown jewels,

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 1>threatening today our Navy for example, in the region, and

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 1>of course seeking to dominate the world with five G technology,

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:20.080
<v Speaker 1>as we'll talk about shortway with my next guest, David Goldman.

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:25.280
<v Speaker 1>But it does bear noting the actions and the words

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:28.439
<v Speaker 1>that Trump administration officials have taken, and again I say

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 1>that in particular in the realms of national security and

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<v Speaker 1>foreign policy. And I'd urge you to draw your attention

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 1>to a few recent actions which demonstrate that even if

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<v Speaker 1>there was a Phase one trade deal with the Chinese

0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Communist Party, the Trump administration is as ego by it

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<v Speaker 1>as ever in terms of continuing to counter the Chinese

0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Communist Party with a whole of government strategy. And there

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:55.319
<v Speaker 1>have been a few speeches delivered recently that I urge

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 1>you to read in full because it just represents a

0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 1>remarkable sea change in you s foreign policy, in particular

0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:05.359
<v Speaker 1>from Attorney General William Barr Bill Barr, as well as

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Secretary of State Pompeo, and bears noting that just a

0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:10.799
<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks ago, the Department of Justice unveiled a

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<v Speaker 1>nine count indictment in which it alleged that four members

0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:16.960
<v Speaker 1>of the PLA that's the Chinese Army Research Institute hacked

0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Equifax's computer networks, stealing sensitive information including names, birthday, social

0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:24.640
<v Speaker 1>security numbers of almost one hundred and fifty million Americans

0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 1>that's almost half the country in other words, and driver's

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 1>licensed numbers from ten million or more Americans. And these

0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:34.279
<v Speaker 1>PLA officers were also charged with engaging in economic espionage

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<v Speaker 1>and a raft of other crimes as well. That's a

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:40.200
<v Speaker 1>remarkable thing that that indictment was revealed, because in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>the US would have never engaged in an operation to

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<v Speaker 1>prosecute PLA TIEDE officials, let alone PLA officials themselves. What

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Barr said was, for years, we have witnessed China's veracious

0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 1>appetite for the personal data of Americans, including the theft

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:56.800
<v Speaker 1>of personal records from the US Office of Personnel Management,

0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:59.479
<v Speaker 1>which we've talked about talked about at length of the show,

0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:02.360
<v Speaker 1>the intrusion into Marriott Hotels and Anthem Health Insurance Company,

0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:04.440
<v Speaker 1>and now the whole sealth theft of credit and other

0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:07.959
<v Speaker 1>information from Equifax. This data has economic value, and these

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:11.839
<v Speaker 1>thefts can feed China's development of artificial intelligence tools as

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:16.239
<v Speaker 1>well as the creation of intelligence targeting packages. And what

0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Bar has overseen at the Department of Justice is a

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:22.840
<v Speaker 1>China initiative that has led to a number of public

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 1>actions charging individuals and entities for crimes relating to everything

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:30.920
<v Speaker 1>from the infiltration of US academic and research institutions and

0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:36.400
<v Speaker 1>strategically significant and sensitive areas, to charging people with committing

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 1>espionage on behalf of the Chinese government, trafficking and counterfeit

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:42.880
<v Speaker 1>goods which steals millions, if not billions of dollars ultimately

0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 1>in wealth from Americans over time, the illegal importation of

0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:49.959
<v Speaker 1>goods manufactured in China, and numerous trade theft cases, as

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:55.040
<v Speaker 1>well as, of course, actions against the telecommunications giant and

0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:59.279
<v Speaker 1>central player in China's grand strategy, Whawei, the behemoth, the

0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:02.440
<v Speaker 1>crown jewel for the Chinese Communist Party in their effort

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 1>to be the dominant world power. So i'd urge you

0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:11.480
<v Speaker 1>to read Attorney General Bar's speech at the CSIS think Tank,

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:13.759
<v Speaker 1>as well as a speech delivered by Secretary of State

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Pompeo to governors in which he talked about the Chinese

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Communist Party's targeting of American political officials, including governors around

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:24.120
<v Speaker 1>the country. Next, We're going to have an in depth

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 1>conversation with a China watcher par excellence, an expert when

0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:32.640
<v Speaker 1>it comes to Huawei in specifically and the Chinese Communist

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.759
<v Speaker 1>Party and its grand strategy generally. David Goldman, this has

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:37.919
<v Speaker 1>been one going in for Buck Sexton on the Buck

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Sexton Show. We'll be back with David Goldman just after this.

0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 1>You're in the Freedom Hunt. This is the Buck Sexton

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Show podcast. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:56.200
<v Speaker 1>is Ben Weinegarden in for Buck sexon and we've been

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.799
<v Speaker 1>talking about as we always do, for about an hour

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:02.720
<v Speaker 1>when filling in for Buck Sex and the pivotal foreign

0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:06.719
<v Speaker 1>threat of our time to our liberty as Americans, that

0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:10.680
<v Speaker 1>of the Chinese Communist Party. And one of the shrewdest

0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:15.440
<v Speaker 1>and most knowledgeable China watchers out there is my next guest,

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.239
<v Speaker 1>David Goldman, known as Spengler, where he writes for the

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:23.359
<v Speaker 1>Asia Times. He also contributes frequently to PJ Media and

0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 1>also I'm proud to report and happy to report has

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:28.160
<v Speaker 1>a book coming out later this year regarding some of

0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:33.000
<v Speaker 1>our topics today on Huawei in particular, You will be assimilated. David,

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:35.680
<v Speaker 1>thanks so much for coming on the program. Bran, thanks

0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:38.520
<v Speaker 1>so much for having it's a great pleasure. So first

0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I should say, you work in financial markets in addition

0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:45.960
<v Speaker 1>to all your writing, and we've seen financial markets essentially

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:50.440
<v Speaker 1>tank in the West during this last week in large

0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 1>part and I hate when financial watchers attribute market movements

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:56.960
<v Speaker 1>to one or two particular events, but in this case,

0:44:56.960 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I do think it is safe to say in response

0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 1>to coronavirus and government responses to coronavirus. So first, I

0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:05.399
<v Speaker 1>just wonder if you'd give us your general take on

0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:07.920
<v Speaker 1>what has transpired and where do you think this is going,

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:11.440
<v Speaker 1>both for China and the US. The point at which

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:15.880
<v Speaker 1>the markets went bananas is when Korea and Japan and

0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Italy showed a very large number of cases. The rate

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 1>of spread of the virus outside of China became significantly

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:26.920
<v Speaker 1>greater than the rate inside China itself. China is a

0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:30.759
<v Speaker 1>detallature in surveillance state. If you go by an aspirin

0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:33.919
<v Speaker 1>and you're not on the quarantine list in the city

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:36.799
<v Speaker 1>like Uha, the police will come and give you a

0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:40.680
<v Speaker 1>test for COVID nineteen to make sure you're nottivating quarantine.

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 1>So the Chinese have had the capacity to locked down

0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:48.720
<v Speaker 1>gigantic members of the population isolated a city of thirteen

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:52.680
<v Speaker 1>million people. Very hard to do in the West, and

0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:55.279
<v Speaker 1>the rate of infection in China has level dwelt, but

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:59.280
<v Speaker 1>outside China much harder to control. So with Japanese schools

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 1>shut down, with a Japanese island of Hokaido quarantined at home,

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:10.280
<v Speaker 1>with lower a thousand cases in Korea, and rapid spread

0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:14.200
<v Speaker 1>in Italy, nobody knows what kind of damned this will inflict,

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:18.280
<v Speaker 1>and also what kind of political problems it will dredge

0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:23.440
<v Speaker 1>up in its way. God forbid that Bernie Sanders becomes

0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:25.480
<v Speaker 1>president of the United States. But if you have a

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 1>sufficient crisis like this, obviously it increases the chances of

0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:35.480
<v Speaker 1>something terrible like that happening. So the degree of uncertainty

0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:39.160
<v Speaker 1>is so great about this that it spooked the market.

0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I think the market has gone much too far, by

0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:45.680
<v Speaker 1>the way. Personally, I've been buying certain stocks this morning,

0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:50.800
<v Speaker 1>and I'm comfortable that we're not going to have anything

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:53.719
<v Speaker 1>like the two thousand and eight crash. Totally different situation.

0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Not very worried, but I do think it would be

0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:04.440
<v Speaker 1>appropriate for saying emergency tax cuts and similar to spending

0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:08.040
<v Speaker 1>to come from the major governments as a way of

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:11.319
<v Speaker 1>timing the economy over getting over the hump as we

0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:13.879
<v Speaker 1>learned to double the virus. And it's worth noting also

0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 1>that there was a report I believe from the Jerusalem

0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Post last night that is an Israeli company was supposedly

0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:25.040
<v Speaker 1>within weeks away from developing a virus to handle coronavirus,

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:29.799
<v Speaker 1>so potentially vaccine. Yes, yes, that's true, but it's very

0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:33.440
<v Speaker 1>unlikely that any vaccine is going to have a measurable

0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:36.200
<v Speaker 1>impact in the rise in the several months that we'll

0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:40.760
<v Speaker 1>worry about. Now. Sure, I want to transition to something

0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:44.239
<v Speaker 1>that we've discussed on this program atlant on numerous occasions,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is China's Grand strategy. It's focus in particular

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<v Speaker 1>on being a dominant player in technology and networking and

0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:57.160
<v Speaker 1>information technology in particular. And so we'll start very narrow

0:47:57.239 --> 0:47:59.719
<v Speaker 1>to get to a broader question, which is how does

0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:07.520
<v Speaker 1>fit into China's grand strategy. Walway is an entirely unique

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:11.440
<v Speaker 1>development in five thousand years of Chinese history. I can't

0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:15.840
<v Speaker 1>overestimate how important it is. For the first time China

0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:20.719
<v Speaker 1>has managed to enlist the towns of ten to thousands,

0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:23.480
<v Speaker 1>so some of the best Western engineers and scientists. It

0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 1>is not a Chinese company. It is an imperial company

0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:32.399
<v Speaker 1>in which the Chinese Empire has put into harness many

0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:35.359
<v Speaker 1>of the best minds in the West. For example, we

0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:40.000
<v Speaker 1>are very cross with Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister of England,

0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:44.160
<v Speaker 1>for allowing Wali to build out part of Britain's five

0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 1>G network, and the American officials seem to be shocked

0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:51.439
<v Speaker 1>by this decision. They could have seen it coming. Ten

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:55.920
<v Speaker 1>years ago. Two eleven, Wali hired the Chief Information Officer

0:48:55.960 --> 0:48:59.880
<v Speaker 1>of Her Majesty's government, John Suffolk. Two and twelve Wali

0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:02.880
<v Speaker 1>anounced that was going to spread two billion dollars around

0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:08.400
<v Speaker 1>in England in the form of research grants, laboratories, R

0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:11.440
<v Speaker 1>and D, all kinds of things. They have bought their

0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:15.920
<v Speaker 1>way into every university department, every startup, every lab that

0:49:15.960 --> 0:49:20.040
<v Speaker 1>has anything to do with telecommunications. They've hardwired the British

0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:23.799
<v Speaker 1>scientific establishment into their project, and they've been doing it

0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:29.680
<v Speaker 1>in public view, bragging about it openly for more than

0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:35.080
<v Speaker 1>nine years. So the extent to which China has linked

0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:40.600
<v Speaker 1>itself into the scientific contento, large school lead and key

0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:43.920
<v Speaker 1>parts of the corporate sector in Western Europe and of

0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:49.280
<v Speaker 1>course Russia, obviously Southeast Asia is up to the Chinese

0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:52.359
<v Speaker 1>have never attempted before, they ever done before. Now they

0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:56.239
<v Speaker 1>have a juggernail which is extremely hard to stop, and

0:49:56.320 --> 0:49:59.120
<v Speaker 1>it can't be stopped us by scolding our allies working

0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:05.040
<v Speaker 1>with you've written some very interesting stories regarding your experiences

0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:09.120
<v Speaker 1>touring Wahwei facilities. Of course under the close watch, I'm

0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:15.080
<v Speaker 1>sure of their handwears. Meeting with Huawei officials, officers, regular

0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:18.360
<v Speaker 1>workers there. Can you share some of your insights that

0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:22.880
<v Speaker 1>you think are most pertinent regarding those visits. I became

0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:26.120
<v Speaker 1>aware of this by stumbling into the manhole, so to speak.

0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:29.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm the forest gump analyst here. I just happened to

0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:33.319
<v Speaker 1>be there at the right time. Four years ago, I

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:36.160
<v Speaker 1>was working as an adjustment banker for a little boutique

0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 1>in Hong Kong and we wanted to get Walwe's business.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody was objecting to it then it wasn't on the radar,

0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:46.799
<v Speaker 1>so I introduced them to the government of Mexico, where

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, Walwi is now building Mexico's national broadband system,

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:52.799
<v Speaker 1>including five G. I'm the American border. You don't hear

0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:56.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of talk about that, but it was something

0:50:56.120 --> 0:51:00.520
<v Speaker 1>of an accomplishment. So I took the Mexican ambassador to

0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Chi to Huawei headquarters in Shenzen and we went through

0:51:04.160 --> 0:51:08.959
<v Speaker 1>the exhibition hall of their technologies, which looks like ten

0:51:09.200 --> 0:51:11.799
<v Speaker 1>air and space museums in the National Mall. It's an

0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:18.120
<v Speaker 1>incredible place. And afterwards they sat the Mexican delegation down

0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:21.000
<v Speaker 1>in a little amphitheater, and a fellow from while they

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:23.359
<v Speaker 1>came up with a power point and said, you are

0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:27.520
<v Speaker 1>a big country. You have bad broadband. Bad broadband means

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:30.600
<v Speaker 1>you are poor. We will make you rich. You can

0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:34.120
<v Speaker 1>become rich like China. Let us come in and build

0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:37.960
<v Speaker 1>a national broadband network. Then we bring in Chinese e commerce,

0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:40.440
<v Speaker 1>we bring in Chinese e finals. When we bring in

0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Chinese technology, you will become like China. Sounded like the board.

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<v Speaker 1>You will be assimilated. And Mexicans are just stunned. The

0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:51.640
<v Speaker 1>massador said, how long have you been doing this? The

0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Chinese guy kind of looked at his watch and said, oh,

0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:56.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, seven or eight years. And their mouths

0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:58.759
<v Speaker 1>are on the floor now. Of course they are doing it.

0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:02.600
<v Speaker 1>So what China wants to do is not just spin

0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:08.440
<v Speaker 1>and spy on our information flows or steal our secrets.

0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:12.120
<v Speaker 1>That's so nineties. What China wants to do is become

0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:15.919
<v Speaker 1>the dominant force in the world economy and use its

0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:20.160
<v Speaker 1>control of broadband to layer in all the new technologies.

0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Go to de find a twenty first century artificial intelligence,

0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:32.960
<v Speaker 1>automated manufacturing, autonomous vehicles, remote control surgery, medical diagnostics, or

0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:37.440
<v Speaker 1>artificial intelligence via the cloud, and all of this is public.

0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:41.200
<v Speaker 1>You can go to Wawei's website and watch their confidence

0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:44.239
<v Speaker 1>speeches on this and streaming video. You can read their

0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:50.759
<v Speaker 1>profiles for transforming the technological capability of every country in

0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:53.280
<v Speaker 1>the world. They've got a little profile of a hundred

0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:55.399
<v Speaker 1>countries and what they want to do to them. This

0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:59.600
<v Speaker 1>is a plan for China to be de transformative factor

0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:03.200
<v Speaker 1>in the Fourth Industrial Revolution and the dominant power in

0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the world economy. So it'd be fair to say that

0:53:05.520 --> 0:53:07.600
<v Speaker 1>in this case, the communists are selling us the rope

0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:10.480
<v Speaker 1>with which to hang us. Well, I mean, it's a

0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:14.560
<v Speaker 1>communist I've met more communists in Cambridge, Massachusetts than I

0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:18.640
<v Speaker 1>have in China. This is if it were just communists.

0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Ben and I fight with all of my conservative friends

0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:25.640
<v Speaker 1>about this all the time. Communistry idiots. Communism isn't that

0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:31.000
<v Speaker 1>became a wasn't It's a stupid idea. The Chinese are

0:53:31.880 --> 0:53:36.839
<v Speaker 1>the embodiment of the old Mandarin meritocracy which has ruled

0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:39.279
<v Speaker 1>China for twenty five hundred years. They just happened to

0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:42.080
<v Speaker 1>be called to communist party. We're dealing with a five

0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:49.480
<v Speaker 1>thousand year old empire that's curious, pragmatic, energetic, brutal and

0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:54.320
<v Speaker 1>ruthless and has now woken up from five thousand years

0:53:54.320 --> 0:53:57.439
<v Speaker 1>of slumber, looked at the world and said this looks

0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:01.000
<v Speaker 1>appetized into us. Why don't we take it. We're speaking

0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:04.080
<v Speaker 1>with David Goldman here and we'll continue this conversation right

0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:05.960
<v Speaker 1>after the break. This is Ben Weingarten in for Buck

0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Sexon on the Buck Sexon Show. Back just after this.

0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:12.200
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0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:16.359
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0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Sexton Show. This is Ben Weingarten in for Buck Sexton,

0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:26.240
<v Speaker 1>and I want to continue this conversation with David Goldman.

0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:29.279
<v Speaker 1>He's known as Spangler for Asia Times. He writes at

0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:33.680
<v Speaker 1>PJ Media and elsewhere, and as I noted previously, is

0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:37.239
<v Speaker 1>one of the shrewdest China watchers. There is, and we've

0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:41.719
<v Speaker 1>been talking about Whawei as a seminal player in the

0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Chinese Communist Party's grand strategy to be the dominant world power.

0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:49.640
<v Speaker 1>And that brings us naturally, naturally to the question of

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:53.640
<v Speaker 1>how far behind is America and why have we failed

0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:58.839
<v Speaker 1>to date to counter the CCP in this endeavor. Well,

0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:02.080
<v Speaker 1>see our technol companies bend. It's not so much that

0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:04.920
<v Speaker 1>they're rearranging the decktures and the Titanic. It's more like

0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:07.720
<v Speaker 1>their sealing and the the silver spoons from the dining room.

0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:14.200
<v Speaker 1>They've had a twenty year freide where they figured out

0:55:14.200 --> 0:55:17.359
<v Speaker 1>that if they invest in software, which is infinitely scalable,

0:55:17.960 --> 0:55:21.480
<v Speaker 1>marginal costs of adding a customer, zero, huge rates of

0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:24.280
<v Speaker 1>return in equity, they don't have to do the dirty

0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:28.480
<v Speaker 1>and lower return job of building the hardware. Let they

0:55:28.560 --> 0:55:32.880
<v Speaker 1>contract that out to the Asians. Not simply China, of course,

0:55:32.920 --> 0:55:38.040
<v Speaker 1>it's a Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan, of course, South Korea. It's

0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:43.240
<v Speaker 1>all the same model. The Asians subsidize chip fabrication plants

0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:47.359
<v Speaker 1>the way we subsidize sports stadiums or airports. So the

0:55:47.440 --> 0:55:53.040
<v Speaker 1>US tech sector instead of investing in physics, hardware, changing nature,

0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:59.720
<v Speaker 1>high tech manufacturing concentrated exclusively on software. Cisco, for example,

0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:03.440
<v Speaker 1>use through the dominant telecommunication equipment company in the world.

0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:06.120
<v Speaker 1>They've moved almost entirely out of hark Or. They're a

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:09.120
<v Speaker 1>software company. They've got a return in equity of thirty

0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:13.239
<v Speaker 1>five percent. At breakfast stows a few months ago with

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<v Speaker 1>a senior guy from WAWE, and he said, we don't

0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:20.439
<v Speaker 1>understand you Americans. If you were worried about us, why

0:56:20.480 --> 0:56:23.439
<v Speaker 1>didn't you just have Cisco by Ericson. That's the big

0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:27.799
<v Speaker 1>Swedish telecommunications company and the closest to a competitor that

0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:31.840
<v Speaker 1>WAWE has. Have Cisco by Ericsson and create a national

0:56:31.920 --> 0:56:34.759
<v Speaker 1>champion that competes with us. And I told the Walwe guy, well,

0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:36.880
<v Speaker 1>it's real simple. Cisco as a return of equity of

0:56:36.920 --> 0:56:40.399
<v Speaker 1>thirty five percent. Ericson had a return of equity last

0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:44.439
<v Speaker 1>year of about zero. So Cisco stock price would go down,

0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:47.520
<v Speaker 1>and we don't do anything that doesn't boost stock prices.

0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:53.600
<v Speaker 1>That's simple. So we've been entirely focused on shareholder value

0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:58.200
<v Speaker 1>and going for the quickest buck without thinking about long

0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:01.920
<v Speaker 1>term consequences. Whereas a Chinese have been digging in and

0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:10.200
<v Speaker 1>building the infrastructure to dominate not just five detelecommunications, but

0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:17.200
<v Speaker 1>all the many manufacturing, mining, retail, finance, shipping applications that

0:57:17.240 --> 0:57:20.600
<v Speaker 1>come often so in just a couple of minutes. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's difficult to condense it or distill it.

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<v Speaker 1>You've argued in effect, if not directly, for a national

0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:32.840
<v Speaker 1>industrial policy, and free marketeers will of course fear the

0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:36.360
<v Speaker 1>government and private sector working hand in hand, legitimate fears

0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:38.240
<v Speaker 1>in many cases, but of course we're dealing with an

0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:41.920
<v Speaker 1>existential threat here. Or they'll argue that the government directing

0:57:41.960 --> 0:57:46.240
<v Speaker 1>projects in space like telecommunications will lead to all of

0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the problems that we know tend to come from central planning.

0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:52.040
<v Speaker 1>So what is your response to them? And then what

0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:56.320
<v Speaker 1>does your whole of government plan look like. All those

0:57:56.360 --> 0:57:59.600
<v Speaker 1>objections are valid, and the best way to avoid them

0:57:59.760 --> 0:58:02.840
<v Speaker 1>is do what we did under the Reggae devestation, where

0:58:03.280 --> 0:58:06.360
<v Speaker 1>we were spending the equivalent in today's dollars at three

0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:10.320
<v Speaker 1>hundred billion dollars a year in basic scientific research. We

0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:13.960
<v Speaker 1>contract out to the big corporate labs which don't exist anymore,

0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:17.840
<v Speaker 1>to look into all kinds of things, out of which

0:58:17.840 --> 0:58:23.160
<v Speaker 1>we got chief and fast semiconductors, the semiconductor laser optical networks,

0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:26.080
<v Speaker 1>the Internet itself. Virtually everything that went into the digital

0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:28.400
<v Speaker 1>age came out of a basic science grant from the

0:58:28.440 --> 0:58:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Defense Department, but we let private companies raise money and

0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:37.760
<v Speaker 1>take the risk of commercializing the inventions. So I think

0:58:37.760 --> 0:58:39.440
<v Speaker 1>we need to work our way back up to that

0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:41.880
<v Speaker 1>three hundred billion dollars a year level, about a point

0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:46.080
<v Speaker 1>and a half of GDP of subsidies for basic research.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to train more engineers to get there. We

0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:51.880
<v Speaker 1>need to train more scientists, We need to persuade the

0:58:51.960 --> 0:58:56.560
<v Speaker 1>corporations that used to have these giant industrial labs to rebuild.

0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:59.680
<v Speaker 1>And it's absolute we could do overnight, but we need

0:58:59.720 --> 0:59:01.480
<v Speaker 1>to go backs of the kind of things we did

0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:04.400
<v Speaker 1>and won the Cold War under Reagan, who was of

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<v Speaker 1>course a great free marketer and did not allow the

0:59:08.040 --> 0:59:11.280
<v Speaker 1>private sector for the most part, to exploit government subsidies,

0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:14.360
<v Speaker 1>which is what many of my free market colleagues worry about,

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<v Speaker 1>as do I. We've been speaking with David Goldman. I

0:59:18.240 --> 0:59:20.240
<v Speaker 1>urge you to read everything you can that he writes,

0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:22.000
<v Speaker 1>and he is a book coming out later this year

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<v Speaker 1>on many of the topics we've just spoken about that.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be titled You Will be Assimilated. David, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for coming on the program. Ben, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>so much for having me. And this is Ben Winegarden

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<v Speaker 1>in for Buck sex In here on the Buck Sex

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<v Speaker 1>and Show. Back just after this you're in the Freedom Hud.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to

0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:49.280
<v Speaker 1>the Buck Sex and Show. This is Ben Weingarten in

0:59:49.760 --> 0:59:53.440
<v Speaker 1>for Buck Sexton and with my last guest, we talked

0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:57.480
<v Speaker 1>about the threat posed by the Chinese Communist Party. But

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<v Speaker 1>as I've talked about on numerous occasions a show, ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>America has the capability to grapple with any foreign adversary,

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<v Speaker 1>almost any challenge we could possibly face externally. The greater

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<v Speaker 1>challenge that we have is do we have the will

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<v Speaker 1>and do we have the internal strength the cohesion. Are

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<v Speaker 1>we united enough to grapple with not just those external

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<v Speaker 1>problems but the internal problems that we are facing today.

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<v Speaker 1>And a couple of those core problems are one the

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<v Speaker 1>collapse of the family and two and relatedly in many respects,

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<v Speaker 1>just the horrid shape that our education system is in,

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<v Speaker 1>something that our adversaries a certain way themselves taken advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of and one of the keenest experts on the state

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<v Speaker 1>of our education system where it's headed, where we are

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<v Speaker 1>today is Joy Pullman, who is my colleague, the executive

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<v Speaker 1>editor of the Federal Issues, written an ebook recommending more

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<v Speaker 1>than four hundred classic books for family was with young children,

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<v Speaker 1>which I urge you to take a look at. And

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<v Speaker 1>she's also the author of The Education Invasion, How Common

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<v Speaker 1>Core Fights parents for control of American Kids, a book

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<v Speaker 1>that I actually interviewed Joy on in the past, and

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<v Speaker 1>she wrote a great piece at the Federalists recently where

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<v Speaker 1>she talked about an exchange on Morning Joe which implicated

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<v Speaker 1>the whitewashing of Bernie Sanders's communist coddling. So with that background, Joy,

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<v Speaker 1>tell us about that exchange and your thoughts on it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems, you know, look, it wasn't a big deal,

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<v Speaker 1>but it kind of underscores a lot of things that

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<v Speaker 1>are the service, kind of like a tip of the

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<v Speaker 1>iceberg sort of thing. So I think it was Wednesday

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<v Speaker 1>morning on Joe Scarborough show on MSNBC Morning Joe, he

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<v Speaker 1>and a guest were talking about you know, Scarborough has

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<v Speaker 1>been public about his concerns about socialism and communism, and

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie Sanders potentially becoming the Democratic nominee label is one

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<v Speaker 1>of those. So even though he is obviously a leftist,

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<v Speaker 1>Scarborough isn't willing to go as far as to label

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<v Speaker 1>the ideas you know, socialism or communism. So he and

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<v Speaker 1>his number There are a number of panelists, but the

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<v Speaker 1>one he had this exchange with was a fellow from

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<v Speaker 1>Princeton University Eddie and I don't know if I'm probably

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<v Speaker 1>not going to pronounce his name well, but Gaudi Gaude anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so what they you know, the fellow was seemed to be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of advocating for Bernard Standers, and one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that he said was, you know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot you know Americans. He didn't think that Bernie's comments

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<v Speaker 1>supporting socialist dictator Fidel Castro Cuba was necessarily a bad

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<v Speaker 1>thing because he noted that a number of Americans think

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<v Speaker 1>that America is basically an imperialist, colonialist power. And Scarborough said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's two percent of Americans for the other ninety

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<v Speaker 1>eight percent, how does this work? Well, but what I

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<v Speaker 1>want on to talk about in the article is how

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<v Speaker 1>actually that's not two percent of Americans. You know, depending

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<v Speaker 1>on the question that you're asking and you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>the poll that you're looking at, something between thirty and

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<v Speaker 1>forty percent of Americans, and especially higher percentages of young

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<v Speaker 1>people will agree. I mean half of you know, half

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<v Speaker 1>of Americans will agree that with the statement that America

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<v Speaker 1>is a racist and a sexist country. You know, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>to forty percent of especially young people will agree. The

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<v Speaker 1>United States, you know, it shouldn't be proud of its history.

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<v Speaker 1>United States wasn't great and never will be. A twenty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of them said young people that America will never

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<v Speaker 1>be great. You know. So again, some of these are

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<v Speaker 1>minority numbers, that they are very sizeable minority numbers, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a shocking how big that is, and that obviously

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<v Speaker 1>has grown across time, this negative view of people, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>of American Again, I think America definitely comes in for

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<v Speaker 1>criticism and a number of things that we've done corporately politically,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we still do now. I mean, we're overseeing

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<v Speaker 1>what I consider to be mass genocide with our laws

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<v Speaker 1>about abortion. You know. So definitely think that America can

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<v Speaker 1>be criticized, but that doesn't mean that I hate America.

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<v Speaker 1>And the growth of really negative opinions among Americans, especially

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<v Speaker 1>given that we know that the growth, that growth is

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<v Speaker 1>fed by public tax dollars, public education institutions. Attacking the

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<v Speaker 1>very nation that feeds them, that supports them, that sustains them.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a new and it's very troubling thing for

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<v Speaker 1>the future of this country. And I have to have

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<v Speaker 1>a little tie in here to my book American ingrids

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<v Speaker 1>ilhan Omer and the Progressive Islamist take over the Democratic Party, because,

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<v Speaker 1>as I note in that book, while she was raised

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<v Speaker 1>herself in a Marxist Islamist dictatorship in Somalia in the

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<v Speaker 1>early years of her life, and her family served that regime,

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<v Speaker 1>she could have gotten the same anti American ideas there,

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<v Speaker 1>like the ones you just described to imperialist colonialist occupying power,

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<v Speaker 1>just as easily from Somalia as in the encove that

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<v Speaker 1>she lived in in Minneapolis. That is a really scary

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<v Speaker 1>concept to consider, and it begs the question, how did

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<v Speaker 1>the American education system become anti American? Well, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's taken a long time. You know something people are

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<v Speaker 1>familiar probably with the phrase the long march through the institutions,

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean part of it just is that the

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<v Speaker 1>left deliberately targeted cultural institutions, one of the chief ones

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<v Speaker 1>of which is education. And quite frankly, people on the right,

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<v Speaker 1>conservatives and even people who wouldn't call themselves political conservatives

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<v Speaker 1>but are kind of dispositionally moderate or conservative, they we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't put it up. We haven't put up a fight.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Really the left has been the aggressors in

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<v Speaker 1>this case, and you know, they keep pushing and coashing

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<v Speaker 1>and keep pushing, and it's I don't think it has

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<v Speaker 1>dawned fast enough on Americans a of all what they're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>and be the consequences of it, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe to add a C there. Therefore, you our response

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<v Speaker 1>has just been extremely lacking. You know, we we have

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<v Speaker 1>known about problems like this for at least the past

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<v Speaker 1>fifty two one hundred years. You know, I've done you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some search about the history of American education politics, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so this has been evident from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>and Americans have been complacent, particularly our political leaders on

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<v Speaker 1>the right have done way too much, you know, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to be moderates, trying to be partisan. And while they

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<v Speaker 1>have you know, basically done that, you know, the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the schools have been transformed under their feet into agents

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that really turn Americans against their own country.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, I think that's completely outrageous. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>point in a conflict country can exist. You know, if

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<v Speaker 1>we are literally teaching people to hate the country. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that is educating them and in many cases clothing and

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<v Speaker 1>feeding them and housing them in school. You know, schooling

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<v Speaker 1>them is you know, we just can't continue as a

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<v Speaker 1>country if we're going to allow our own institutions to

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<v Speaker 1>attack our existence. Only a country that has it really

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<v Speaker 1>good on a relative and absolute basis could have the

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<v Speaker 1>time or the sort of narcissistic self loathing that we

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<v Speaker 1>do to have these great institutions and then seek to

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<v Speaker 1>tarnish them. It really is a remarkable thing. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think there's something in the American psyche that is just

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<v Speaker 1>broken at this point? Well? I do, Actually, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a Western thing. Self criticism is something

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<v Speaker 1>that the West says that you don't see to the

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<v Speaker 1>same extent in for example, the Eastern you know kind

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<v Speaker 1>of heritage. So I mean, and I think there is legitimacy. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>there is something that makes it can be a strength

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<v Speaker 1>to criticize yourself to notice your flaws and seek to

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<v Speaker 1>correct them. I mean, the America most maybe the most

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<v Speaker 1>notably did that, you know, with the Civil War and

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<v Speaker 1>a civil rights movement. Sure we had a flaw, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we worked to fix it and that needed

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. So there are absolutely positive things that come

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<v Speaker 1>from that. But there's also, you know, a point where

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<v Speaker 1>it goes too far, you know, where you say that

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<v Speaker 1>because America has done things, therefore all the good things

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<v Speaker 1>are negated or we can't notice them or talk about

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<v Speaker 1>them too or put the evil things in context. And

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<v Speaker 1>that really is what education ought to be. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>advocate for education is indoctrination from a conservative point of view,

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<v Speaker 1>I want people to know the truth, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're left instead of presenting people all of the facts

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<v Speaker 1>in the whole context and doing that as a developmentally

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<v Speaker 1>appropriate time. I mean, I have not shown my preschoolers,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pictures of whipped American slaves, right, but that

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<v Speaker 1>is a historical fact that people need to see perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>at some point. I haven't brought my babies to the

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<v Speaker 1>American Holocaust Museum, but I've been there, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>Americans should go there, right, you know, So that process

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<v Speaker 1>of education needs to be done wisely in it, but

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<v Speaker 1>it needs to have the whole truth. And too many

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<v Speaker 1>times and too often, especially nowadays, American kids are not

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<v Speaker 1>given the whole truth, and that colors their worldview and

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<v Speaker 1>and and I think really what needs to happen is

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<v Speaker 1>we need the American kids need to start with a

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<v Speaker 1>disposition to love and have affection for their country, and

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<v Speaker 1>then from that orientation then they learn how to criticize it,

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<v Speaker 1>just like within a family, right, And you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>all have families and we all mostly love them, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're also free to criticize our families, right. But you

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<v Speaker 1>do that from wanting your family to be better, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and so rather than hating your family and wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>destroy it. So what Criticizing out of love and criticizing

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<v Speaker 1>out of hatred are two completely different things and only

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<v Speaker 1>one of them is the one that the left tries

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<v Speaker 1>to do typically. Today, Well, we're up against a break

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<v Speaker 1>in about a minute and a half or so. But

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<v Speaker 1>before we hit that break, I wanted to ask. I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen a book for toddlers titled A is for Activism

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<v Speaker 1>and for every letter of the alphabet, it's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>beyond parody in some ways, but the fact that this

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<v Speaker 1>is really in bookstores is remarkable. And then as you

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<v Speaker 1>go up the grade levels, you have Howard Jin's people's history.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we have the sixteen nineteen project pervading many school

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<v Speaker 1>districts throughout the country. Is there any competition from our

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<v Speaker 1>side to the left's content continued along March through the

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<v Speaker 1>institution of the Academy, There is very very little. There

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<v Speaker 1>is some, there are some very tiny, you know, less

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<v Speaker 1>than I think one or two percent of the country

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<v Speaker 1>has access to private school choice programs. Republicans have really

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they play talk a big game, but they

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<v Speaker 1>do not act a big game when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>jeffreying parents. I mean the plurality of parents. So that is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the largest group of parents, something around forty

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<v Speaker 1>five percent want to send their kids to a private school,

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<v Speaker 1>but only ten percent of American parents do that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So huge mismatch between what Americans want and what they're getting.

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<v Speaker 1>And Republicans have really dropped the ball on making sure

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<v Speaker 1>they can access that. And so, I mean, and the

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<v Speaker 1>right has completely I mean, I just wish this weren't true,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is true. Has ignored the fact that education

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<v Speaker 1>and family is crucial. Maybe you know the bet that

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<v Speaker 1>plus religion, I would say, you know, in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the culture cultural impact, those three things are the chief ones,

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<v Speaker 1>and the right has a very poor game on at

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<v Speaker 1>least two of them. And we are losing the country

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<v Speaker 1>because of it. And if we don't start getting with

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<v Speaker 1>the program and taking I think we should have a boycott, divestment,

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<v Speaker 1>sactions movement for Marxist education. We need to not send

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<v Speaker 1>taxpayer dollars or support or put public names on any

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<v Speaker 1>education institution that attacks, you know, the country that gives

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<v Speaker 1>it money and gives it children. We'll be back with

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<v Speaker 1>more with Joy Pullman just after this. Thanks for listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the bus X and Show podcasts. Remember to subscribe

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<v Speaker 1>on Apple podcast, the iHeart Radio app, or wherever you

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<v Speaker 1>get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Buck Sex and Show.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Ben Weingarten in for Bucksex In and before

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<v Speaker 1>the break we were talking with Joy Pullman about the

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<v Speaker 1>Long March through the Institutions, which, by the way, the

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<v Speaker 1>Long March, the origins of it start in part with

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<v Speaker 1>Antonio gramscy leftist Italian official who ideologue, rather I should

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<v Speaker 1>say who espouse this sort of view of taking over

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<v Speaker 1>through cultural institutions to ultimately impact everything else. And it

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<v Speaker 1>bears noting that former Mayor Pepodijj's father was the world's

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<v Speaker 1>foremost expert on gram sheet, So if you think he's

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<v Speaker 1>the moderate in their party, you might want to think

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<v Speaker 1>again about that. Joy was just talking before the break

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<v Speaker 1>about the challenges that we face both in academia and

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<v Speaker 1>outside of academia as well, and I think it dovetails

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<v Speaker 1>with something that I talk about at length in my

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<v Speaker 1>book American Ingrate about the decline and religiosity, devotion to

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<v Speaker 1>building families, and also love of country among in particular

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<v Speaker 1>younger generations. What do you think the link is, Joy,

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<v Speaker 1>between what is transpired in our education system and the

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<v Speaker 1>declines in all of these essential areas well. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>hard to I mean, I think it's that's almost you know,

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<v Speaker 1>chicken or the egg question. It's hard to say, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what came first, families getting you know, becoming a mess,

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<v Speaker 1>or school is becoming a mess. I would probably say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, families becoming a mess, right, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I know a lot of teachers and they will uniformly

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, you know, we have to deal with so

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<v Speaker 1>much stuff, so much personal stuff, that it's really hard

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<v Speaker 1>to make way for the business of education. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the family is the place that sets the child's first

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<v Speaker 1>loves and and orient you know, his kind of direction

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. And a lot of families, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, actually this happened to me when I became

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<v Speaker 1>a parent. I wasn't aware of how explicit I need

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<v Speaker 1>to be in order to teach my children to behave

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<v Speaker 1>the way that I want them to behave. I saw,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a lot of the things the kids would

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<v Speaker 1>just pick up or get through osmosis. And I was wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>even about simple things like how to play with toys,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and of course discipline things, but also of

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<v Speaker 1>course with um you know, these these ideas of the heart,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these orientation short of the world, what to

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<v Speaker 1>love and how to love it. Kids need to be

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<v Speaker 1>explicitly and openly taught that. And that, in fact is

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<v Speaker 1>something again that the left tends to do better than

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<v Speaker 1>the right. Right they openly propagandies they're kids, like you

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<v Speaker 1>were saying with this little board book about a for activists.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think that's a ridiculous thing to teach

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<v Speaker 1>a child. But at least the left gets that little

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<v Speaker 1>children need to hear the most important things right away

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<v Speaker 1>when they're too you know, have it on their lips,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just I mean, you know, I was so.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, the school my kids go to as a classical,

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<v Speaker 1>private Christian school, and the very five six year old

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<v Speaker 1>kids are memorizing the First Amendment. They don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>the First Amendment means, but it is going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in their heart. They have taught that it's something

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<v Speaker 1>that is valuable, used as a valuable class time, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is something that the school comes back to over

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<v Speaker 1>the years and it deepens and deepens in their heart,

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<v Speaker 1>and it becomes a part of who they are. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think the First Amendment, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>these things like scripture versus and hands, they're much much

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<v Speaker 1>more valuable and worthy of a child's mind and attention,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, than ridiculous activist board books about ridiculous political causes. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>for me, politics is a lot as secondary to these

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<v Speaker 1>deeper and transcendent things. And you know, but but again,

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<v Speaker 1>typically the people on the righteous we don't think. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, I've been guilty of this as a

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<v Speaker 1>parent myself, haven't thought about the fact that that explicitly

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<v Speaker 1>that it's not going to happen by osmosis. The kids

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<v Speaker 1>need to be actively enculturated. They need to be actively

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<v Speaker 1>taught what is good and what is wrong, and it

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<v Speaker 1>has to be completely saturating their entire life. And we

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<v Speaker 1>can't just assume that someone else is going to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to do it ourselves, and we have to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that it is happening. And as the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that we haven't done that is the reason. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that kids' minds are so empty and available for propaganda today.

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<v Speaker 1>And you've written extensively about education policy in context of

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<v Speaker 1>common core and beyond. Practically, what would be sort of

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<v Speaker 1>your three point plan for restoring a love of country

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<v Speaker 1>and a knowledge of our core institutions and our real

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<v Speaker 1>actual history. I mean, I think, first of all, eliminate

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<v Speaker 1>the US Department of Education. You know, the federal government

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<v Speaker 1>takes ten cents on the dollar of all the money

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<v Speaker 1>given to public schools and controls with it the other

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<v Speaker 1>ninety percent. And it is a bureaucratic institution that is

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<v Speaker 1>anti as an institution, is anti American, anti freedom, anti

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<v Speaker 1>parental choice. The more we can do to cut down

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<v Speaker 1>its power, its influence, in its reach. The better you know,

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<v Speaker 1>states will be able to be set free to be

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<v Speaker 1>more responsive to parents and localities. And the second thing

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<v Speaker 1>at the state level is, you know, state Republicans have

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<v Speaker 1>got to get to get the parents really need to

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<v Speaker 1>have real school choice there. They need to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to be completely in control of the money that is

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<v Speaker 1>spent on behalf of their kids and needs to not

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<v Speaker 1>be able to, you know, to be accessed and controlled

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<v Speaker 1>by special interests who obviously don't have America's best interest

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<v Speaker 1>at heart. So those, you know, those are the very

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<v Speaker 1>first two things. Those are political things. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>the third thing is, you know, parents, conservative donors, people

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<v Speaker 1>who vote in Republican primaries. We need to start prioritizing

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<v Speaker 1>education as an a crucial thing for the future of

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<v Speaker 1>our country. You know, the party doesn't matter so much

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<v Speaker 1>to me. It only matters in terms of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it helps that the country is made better because I

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<v Speaker 1>believe an idea is stronger and our ideas are not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be as easily sown and among a rocky

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<v Speaker 1>ground of minds that have been taught to hate America,

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<v Speaker 1>to think that it's an inherently sexist and racist and

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<v Speaker 1>don't know a dang thing about the Constitution or the

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<v Speaker 1>founders or all the things that they went through that

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<v Speaker 1>do make our country great. So the people people on

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<v Speaker 1>the right need to stop treating education like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's not a priority, that it's just a side

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<v Speaker 1>issue or it's a local issue. They need to be

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<v Speaker 1>tackling this head on and being extremely serious about not

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<v Speaker 1>sending taxpayer funds and American children to tuitions that are

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<v Speaker 1>controlled by leftists. Last question, and one need not be

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<v Speaker 1>conspiratorial to sort of follow this line of thinking. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very clear that there has been a dumbing down in

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<v Speaker 1>our education system combined with indoctrination. You also have the

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<v Speaker 1>heavy subsidization of higher education through the federal government, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you have, as a consequence, all of these people

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<v Speaker 1>with massive student debt. They sort of start their careers

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<v Speaker 1>behind many of them and obviously this can be cliched,

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<v Speaker 1>but study things in college that do not lead them

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<v Speaker 1>to be productive in the private sector, and so then

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<v Speaker 1>you have them economically hobbled and ultimately dependent on government.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you see the linkage between those points? Oh? Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, if I were a conspiracy theorist, which I

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<v Speaker 1>try to interpret what happens in light of the best

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<v Speaker 1>available explanation, the most positive one. But if I were

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<v Speaker 1>or a theorist, I would say that was deliberately done,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because people who I mean, I mean and

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<v Speaker 1>the American founders talked about this explicitly, and they put

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<v Speaker 1>it into our founding dot documents such as the Northwest Ordinance.

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<v Speaker 1>They said that our system of government cannot continue to

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<v Speaker 1>endure it with an ignorant people. If you are stupid

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<v Speaker 1>and you're dependent, you cannot run your own life. So

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<v Speaker 1>we need to have, you know, an economy and education,

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<v Speaker 1>system of culture that focuses on self reliance. And so

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<v Speaker 1>that requires a certain way of being, certain habits of behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>and frankly, you know, government not preying upon people and

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<v Speaker 1>locking them into that scenario you you describe that makes

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<v Speaker 1>them automatically dependent, you know, when they are just starting

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<v Speaker 1>out in their life. We've been speaking with the Joy Pullman.

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<v Speaker 1>She wrote a great piece of The Federalist recently titled

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<v Speaker 1>Dear Joe Scarborough, More Americans hate America than you think. Joy,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks so much for coming on the program. Well, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>And this has Ben Weinardon in for Buck Sex and

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<v Speaker 1>on the Buck Sex and show back after this You're

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<v Speaker 1>in the Freedom Hunt. This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Weingarten in for Buck Sexton. We just talked at Wayne

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<v Speaker 1>with my federalist colleague Joy Pullman about the perversion, the

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<v Speaker 1>corruption of our education system and the knock on effects

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<v Speaker 1>of that. Really not focused on enough in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>what are the actual what are our biggest weaknesses as

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<v Speaker 1>a country faced with all manner of foreign adversaries, any

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<v Speaker 1>number of challenges that every country has to deal with.

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<v Speaker 1>But at core, the people are the strength of the country,

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<v Speaker 1>and America remains by far the strongest world power. We

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<v Speaker 1>have intellectual capital, we have the technology, we have the firepower,

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<v Speaker 1>but do we have the will? And the way you

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<v Speaker 1>break the will if you believe that America's strengths are

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<v Speaker 1>actually its weaknesses or they ought to be turned into weaknesses,

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<v Speaker 1>is you start with indoctrinating generations of people in an

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<v Speaker 1>anti American ideology, and that is at core one of

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<v Speaker 1>the major major parts of American ingrate. Ilhan Omar and

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<v Speaker 1>the progressive islam As takeover of the Democratic Party. She

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<v Speaker 1>is a consequence of it. A person like Ilhan Omar

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<v Speaker 1>could never get elected in another era of America. Couldn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet, as I noted, and I write at length

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<v Speaker 1>in the book, and I've explained this in interviews elsewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and we talked about her a bit here, she could

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<v Speaker 1>have just as easily gotten these ideas here in the

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<v Speaker 1>America's heartland as in Mogadishu, sam in Minneapolis as Mogadishu.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a remarkable commentary on the state of where

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<v Speaker 1>America is now. Of course, that's not even getting into

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<v Speaker 1>the consequences of our academic system that has led to

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<v Speaker 1>a situation where they're oponents of open borders, and where

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<v Speaker 1>we would have allowed this massive influx of Somali immigrants

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<v Speaker 1>harboring the kind of ideas that elan Omar does in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place, from a country, by the way, that,

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<v Speaker 1>as I noted, was a Marxist Islamist dictatorship and today,

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<v Speaker 1>and as it's been for the last decade, ranked consistently

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<v Speaker 1>as the most corrupt country in the world. And oh,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, in terms of the refugees who were

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<v Speaker 1>settled here, rates based on some studies of upwards of

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<v Speaker 1>eighty percent fraud in terms of immigrants coming here who

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<v Speaker 1>started in Somalia. And we see these knock on effects

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<v Speaker 1>of the dominance of progressivism not just in the academy,

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<v Speaker 1>but then ultimately in all of our institutions, even in

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<v Speaker 1>the business world. And we talked at length in a

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<v Speaker 1>prior episode about Woke Capital and how Blackrock, the world's

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<v Speaker 1>largest asset manager, was starting to infuse not just the

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<v Speaker 1>rhetoric of the company, but even it's investing positions or

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<v Speaker 1>the positions that lets clients invest in through black Rock

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<v Speaker 1>be impacted by a progressive worldview, in particular on the

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<v Speaker 1>matter of climate change, but even beyond that, because basically

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a massive shift in the corporate world, among

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<v Speaker 1>especially the elites that run the largest companies in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>towards a different view as to what the purpose of

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<v Speaker 1>a company is now among these people who naturally many

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<v Speaker 1>of these executives came out of our elite schools dominated

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<v Speaker 1>by progressivism, indoctrinated in that milieu, operating in the same

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<v Speaker 1>world at the cocktail parties the attend, and where they

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<v Speaker 1>send their kids to school with other parents who have

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<v Speaker 1>the same worldview. These companies now believe that they have

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<v Speaker 1>a job of activism. It's not just a turn of profit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just to reward their shareholders and their other stakeholders.

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<v Speaker 1>It is to be political. Actors use their corporate power

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<v Speaker 1>to impose upon us their views. Sometimes it's explicit, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little bit more implicit, and they express it

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<v Speaker 1>in ways like we will not allow you to through

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<v Speaker 1>our vehicle invest in, say coal producing coal sector companies,

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<v Speaker 1>non clean energies, we won't touch them for the way.

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<v Speaker 1>This example of this another financial institution, and this was

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<v Speaker 1>reported by Daniel Horowitz at Conservative Review. Recently, he writes

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<v Speaker 1>an article JP Morgan Chase joins the war on America's

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<v Speaker 1>energy and he starts JP Morgan Chase has decided that

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<v Speaker 1>it's better for the company to join the progressive environmental

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<v Speaker 1>gods than to continue supporting the great American energy miracle

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<v Speaker 1>that has brought so much prosperity, stability, and job creation

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<v Speaker 1>to this country. Has the left finally won the war

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<v Speaker 1>for the heart and soul of corporate America. During the

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<v Speaker 1>company's annual investor Day on Tuesday of this week, the

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<v Speaker 1>Giant Bank announced it would no longer be financing loans

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<v Speaker 1>for oil and gas drilling in the Arctic, and would

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<v Speaker 1>divest from its financing coal plants or mines. It also

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<v Speaker 1>announced it would be divesting from any company that gets

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<v Speaker 1>the majority of its revenue from coal by twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>When the left camp went at the ballot box or

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<v Speaker 1>in a democratic debate in legislators, it seeks recourse through

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<v Speaker 1>the courts or even better, the culture and markets. In

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<v Speaker 1>this case, groups like Rainforest Action Network bullied the bank

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<v Speaker 1>into submission publishing reports showing JP Morgan Chase to be

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<v Speaker 1>the single biggest lender to the oil and gas industry. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course companies are most concerned with they're not most

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<v Speaker 1>concerned with, but a chief concern is their reputation. You're

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<v Speaker 1>only as good as your reputation, and they hate being

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<v Speaker 1>attacked by activist groups and will do anything to essentially

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<v Speaker 1>pay for protection, and that may be literally paying for

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<v Speaker 1>protection in the way of investing in things that these

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<v Speaker 1>activists demand of them. Are conversely not investing in things

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<v Speaker 1>that activists demanded them. So this article goes on. At

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday's announcement, JP Morgan committed to investing in two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars, say, paying for protection in two hundred billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars worth of projects and support of the United Nations

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<v Speaker 1>sustainable development goals. That is, the company's credential in the

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<v Speaker 1>elite world that will make its profits kosher. Sort of

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<v Speaker 1>an extortion that the progressives make companies pays the cost

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<v Speaker 1>of doing business in a political system they control. However,

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<v Speaker 1>it is never enough for the leftist anarchists who are

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<v Speaker 1>now demanding the Bank also pull out of financing drilling

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<v Speaker 1>in the lower forty eight states as well. And then

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<v Speaker 1>Horowitz goes on to note that it's truly hard to

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<v Speaker 1>overstate the economic miracle that oil and gas drilling as

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<v Speaker 1>ushered into our job market. We have now become the

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<v Speaker 1>global superpower of oil and gas production and exports, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, against all of these progressives, in the face

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<v Speaker 1>of them, in spite of Obama's own anti energy agenda,

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<v Speaker 1>because fracking, thank god, proliferated during that time, to the

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<v Speaker 1>point that even the conflict with I ran in January

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<v Speaker 1>did not cause a spike in energy prices at all.

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<v Speaker 1>These woke corporate executives are willing to destroy essential parts

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<v Speaker 1>of our economy if it comes to it to try

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<v Speaker 1>to appease an unappeasable progressive mass. And now, as I've

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<v Speaker 1>argued in the past, there are likely government incentives that

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<v Speaker 1>make it such that it is profitable for them to

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<v Speaker 1>do this. But ultimately, we, the American people, suffer if

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to destroy the energy sector because financial institutions

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<v Speaker 1>won't channel money into these very productive areas that, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, don't just help create jobs for Americans, create

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<v Speaker 1>wealth for Americans, but also make it such that we

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to be reliant upon, in some cases, our

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<v Speaker 1>worst adversaries. So if there is some sort of crisis

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<v Speaker 1>in the Middle East, it doesn't tank our economy. Woke

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<v Speaker 1>capital is incredibly detrimental to America. And what is even

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<v Speaker 1>scarier is a report that recently claim came out from

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<v Speaker 1>Real Clear Politics. They did a poll of about twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred registered voters and they ask them this question,

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<v Speaker 1>which of the following comes closer to your view? The

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<v Speaker 1>purpose of a corporation is to maximize financial returns for shareholders,

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<v Speaker 1>but also to over value to customers, invest in employees,

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<v Speaker 1>deal ethnically with suppliers, and support the communities where they work.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's another response. Potentially single purpose of a corporation is

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<v Speaker 1>to maximize financial returns for shareholders, and then the other

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<v Speaker 1>answers don't know. Seventy seven percent of respondents responded with

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<v Speaker 1>that first answer, that a corporation as all of these

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<v Speaker 1>other required goals besides producing a good or service that

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<v Speaker 1>people want to buy such that they are profitable. Do

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<v Speaker 1>we want businesses operating on the basis of politics? And

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<v Speaker 1>is there any way that doesn't end up corrupted ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>when you have progressives in power, businesses taking progressive positions,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course private public so caught partnerships between them.

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<v Speaker 1>And what does it mean when you have companies that

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<v Speaker 1>are basically going to shut out or piss off fifty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the country on any given issue. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>where we want to be? Is that where we want

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<v Speaker 1>to be in our civil society? Or do we want

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<v Speaker 1>to be a live in wet lives society where people

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<v Speaker 1>have freedom to choose where they go and companies aren't

1:29:19.560 --> 1:29:24.600
<v Speaker 1>constantly imposing their own ideologies on their customers. This has

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<v Speaker 1>been one gern in for Buck Sexon on the Buck

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<v Speaker 1>Sexton Show, Fight against will Capital all you can We're

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Weingarten in for Buck Sexton, and we have had plenty

1:29:47.280 --> 1:29:51.000
<v Speaker 1>of gloom and doom in today's episode. Talked to edwyanth

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<v Speaker 1>about Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, and I believe that a person

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<v Speaker 1>who is the perfect corrective or foil talan Omar in

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<v Speaker 1>many respects is the Supreme Court justice that I most admire.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a generational Supreme Court justice, and that's Justice

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<v Speaker 1>Clarence Thomas. And I am so pleased to be joined

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<v Speaker 1>today by someone who I think agrees, Michael Pack. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the president of Manifold Productions and independent film and television

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<v Speaker 1>production company and the producer of the new documentary Exceptional

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<v Speaker 1>Documentary Created Equal Clarence Thomas in his own words, which

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<v Speaker 1>you can find out all about at Justice thomasmovie dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Pack, thanks so much for joining us, and thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for having me on the show. Ben. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>jump right in. Justice Thomas, as I noted, is in

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<v Speaker 1>my view, the greatest jurist of this generation and one

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<v Speaker 1>of the ways the Left likes to savage him is

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<v Speaker 1>to harp on the fact that he doesn't typically ask

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<v Speaker 1>questions of those presenting arguments at the Supreme Court. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think your documentary created equal Clarence Thomas in his

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<v Speaker 1>own words is an interesting response to that? Was that intentional? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, they say, because he doesn't speak in an argument,

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<v Speaker 1>that he's not acting the court, he's not smart, he's

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<v Speaker 1>not articulate, But quite the opposite is true. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he's very acting the court and has been since the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially he's written over six hundred opinions, thirty percent more

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<v Speaker 1>than any other Supreme Court justice, including Justice Ginsburg. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's very active, and he's a great storyteller. And so

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, we fashioned the documentary so that he can

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<v Speaker 1>look right at the audience and tell them what is

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<v Speaker 1>very dramatic, eventful, and I think inspiring life is like

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<v Speaker 1>without filters, really, And I think that's another way that

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<v Speaker 1>he's minimized by the Left in his enemies is downplaying

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<v Speaker 1>the drama of his story. And our film tries to

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<v Speaker 1>do that correct that. And you documented with vivid imagery

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<v Speaker 1>and as you noted, storytelling without giving away too much

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<v Speaker 1>of the plot. Our listeners may well know that Justice

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas grew up poor in many ways, filled with anger,

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<v Speaker 1>but also imbued with many of the traits bestowed upon

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<v Speaker 1>him or inculcated in him by his grandfather, traits that

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<v Speaker 1>we'd probably today ascribe to conservatism, even though back then

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<v Speaker 1>they were just traditional. It seems like ultimately those character

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<v Speaker 1>traits sort of sort of shine through and were reflected

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<v Speaker 1>in Justice Thomas's politics. But before he got to the

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<v Speaker 1>Justice that we see today, he was sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>leftist radical. What changed him, Well, that's right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to go back to the part, the earlier

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<v Speaker 1>part of the story that you alluded to to understand

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<v Speaker 1>what changed him. As you say, he grew up first

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<v Speaker 1>in dire poverty. He was born in Pinpoint, a gull

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<v Speaker 1>Of speaking area outside of Savannah, and his father left

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<v Speaker 1>before he could remember. So his mother, though, brought him

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<v Speaker 1>and his brother when he was about six to Savannah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had there experienced dire poverty in the jim

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<v Speaker 1>Crow South, something it's hard pressed almost imagine today. Didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have enough to eat cold in the winter, and after

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years of this, his mother, realizing she

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't take care of her two boys, brought them to

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<v Speaker 1>her father, his grandfather, to raise, and as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>that was where he got his values. His grandfather believed

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<v Speaker 1>in hard work, working from son to son, no excuses,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had converted to Catholicism and sent Justice Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>and his brother to Catholic schools then segregated by run

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<v Speaker 1>by Irish nuns who loved the boys and gave them

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<v Speaker 1>a good education and solid values. And then he did

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<v Speaker 1>reject that for it well, rather before he did. He

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<v Speaker 1>succeeded in that environment and decided he wanted to become

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<v Speaker 1>a priest and went to the seminary and other seminaries,

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<v Speaker 1>unlike his earlier schooling, had been all white and were

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<v Speaker 1>just desegregating. And it was there that he first experienced

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<v Speaker 1>racism really and it reached a peak for him in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty eight when he was watching TV the day

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<v Speaker 1>that Martin Luther King Jr. Was shot, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>the white seminary and said, I hope that son of

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<v Speaker 1>a bitch dies, and that shocking comment capped off just

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<v Speaker 1>as Thomas is feeling that the church wasn't doing enough

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<v Speaker 1>for civil rights, and then he just slipped. He became

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<v Speaker 1>an angry black man. He decided to want to be

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<v Speaker 1>a priest. He told his grandfather, who kicked him out

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<v Speaker 1>of the house, and that's what began his radical period.

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<v Speaker 1>And he had to go wherever he could, and he

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<v Speaker 1>had a full scholarship at holy Cross and his radicalism

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<v Speaker 1>continued there. He upstart the Black Student Union. They invited

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<v Speaker 1>black panthers to speak. He supported, as he says, anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who was in your face, from Stokely Carmichael to Malcolm X.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was only by sort of hitting a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of bottom that he started to come back to get

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<v Speaker 1>back to your question. Then he participated in an anti

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<v Speaker 1>war rally in a nearby Cambridge that became a near riot,

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<v Speaker 1>and he felt himself getting swept up in the madness

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<v Speaker 1>of the crowd, the hysteria of the crowd out, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was scared by what he had become. And when

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<v Speaker 1>he returned to holy Cross well after midnight, he went

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<v Speaker 1>in front of the chapel then closed, and he had

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<v Speaker 1>never had prayed in a long time, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>prayed and asked God, if you will take anger out

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<v Speaker 1>of my heart, I will never hate again. And that

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<v Speaker 1>was his beginning of his coming back to his spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>values and what he thought of as the political views

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<v Speaker 1>as well of his grandfather. That as you say, we

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<v Speaker 1>may think of today's as conservative, but we're really fundamental

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<v Speaker 1>kind of common sense values of both his grandfather and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people in that period. But he did

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<v Speaker 1>have a series of experiences both through college and law

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<v Speaker 1>school and later that made that were the milestones and

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<v Speaker 1>his political journey back. And he finally the first Republican

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<v Speaker 1>he voted for was Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty in

1:35:58.320 --> 1:36:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and then went to work in the Reagan ad ministry. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably worth noting that the fact that he turned

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<v Speaker 1>on his fellow radicals, it's probably one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>he's most reviled today by the predominant American left. What

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<v Speaker 1>did you discover in making this documentary about Justice Clarence

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas that you never knew about him, or that our

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<v Speaker 1>audience might not know about him. I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 1>much before I began, But I think the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>stands out to me most is his resilience through his life,

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<v Speaker 1>surviving and overcoming many obstacles, including one that happened later

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<v Speaker 1>in the story than we said so far. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the attacks on him the Benita Hill part of his

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<v Speaker 1>confirmation battle, but also the growing up in the difficult

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<v Speaker 1>way he did. He had great resilience and he refused

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<v Speaker 1>to define himself as a victim. I mean, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>stands out to me most. He could. He has a

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<v Speaker 1>very good basis to call himself a victim. He grew

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<v Speaker 1>and poverty, he had a single raised by a single

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<v Speaker 1>mother in the jim Coosouth, subject to wheel racism, but

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<v Speaker 1>he won't define himself as a victim. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that has allowed him to succeed in spite of all

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<v Speaker 1>those difficulties. And I think that's what makes it sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>inspiring and memorable. Yea, what in your view are the

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<v Speaker 1>one or two most pivotal lessons from Justice Clarence Thomas's

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<v Speaker 1>wife that you would like viewers and listeners here to

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<v Speaker 1>take away. I think that not define yourself as a

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<v Speaker 1>victim is a big one. I mean we all are

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<v Speaker 1>tempted that way. I mean, we who are conservatives always

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<v Speaker 1>accused the left of doing it, but we can fall

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<v Speaker 1>into it too, and it's in a way a human

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<v Speaker 1>trap and one that we should avoid. True or not

1:37:45.240 --> 1:37:48.799
<v Speaker 1>it's suffocating to your life. So that's one big lesson.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other lesson is that Justice Thomas stood up

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<v Speaker 1>for his principles against opposition, and I also found that inspiring.

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<v Speaker 1>So I appeal to you our listeners to go see

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<v Speaker 1>the movie. As you said in your intro. They can

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<v Speaker 1>find out about it at Justice thomasmovie dot com, where

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<v Speaker 1>we list where it's playing each week. It plays in

1:38:12.680 --> 1:38:15.320
<v Speaker 1>different theaters. It's been in a hundred so far. But

1:38:15.360 --> 1:38:19.280
<v Speaker 1>if it's not in a theater near your listeners, they

1:38:19.320 --> 1:38:21.640
<v Speaker 1>can sign up on the website. If there's a big

1:38:21.760 --> 1:38:24.479
<v Speaker 1>enough group, we can make a screening happen. So if

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<v Speaker 1>the first step is to go to Justice thomasmovie dot

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<v Speaker 1>com and they can see the trailer and get it

1:38:30.040 --> 1:38:32.720
<v Speaker 1>sense what the film is like, so they want so

1:38:32.960 --> 1:38:35.519
<v Speaker 1>I appealed to them to go, bring their children. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's aspiring for young people and bring people of

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<v Speaker 1>different political views. I think even if you don't like

1:38:41.720 --> 1:38:46.000
<v Speaker 1>his politics, you should understand Justice Thomas whatever you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a liberal or if you disagree with them.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been speaking with Michael Packy's the producer of the

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<v Speaker 1>Exceptional New documentary created equal Clarence Thomas in his own words, Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>before you have to run out on us, want to

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<v Speaker 1>ask one last political question, and that concerns the Broadcasting

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<v Speaker 1>Board of Governors, which is a very significant part of

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<v Speaker 1>the feral government, and that it's engaged essentially in putting

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<v Speaker 1>forth the American message and combating propaganda of our adversaries.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's been reported that you've been tabbed to be

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<v Speaker 1>the CEO of the Broadcasting Board of Governors. Could you

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<v Speaker 1>provide us just a bit of a status update on

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<v Speaker 1>where your nomination is right now? Okay, well, really that's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole other subject subject, a good topic for another broadcast.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have been since it's a new year. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been renominated by the President, and I had already had

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<v Speaker 1>my hearings for the Senate for a relations committee, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're set to vote, so after they committee votes and

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<v Speaker 1>then it goes to the full Senate, and it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a slow process, but who knows, the end could be

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<v Speaker 1>in sight. I think it is a very important position,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm honored that the President wants me to serve

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<v Speaker 1>in it. We'll look forward to continuing conversation another time,

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<v Speaker 1>but as for today, again the name of the documentary

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<v Speaker 1>has created equal Clarence Thomas in his own words. You

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<v Speaker 1>can find more at Justice Thomas Movie dot com. Michael Pack,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks so much for joining us today. Thank you, Bet.

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<v Speaker 1>And this has Ben one Garden in for Buck sex

1:40:14.720 --> 1:40:16.519
<v Speaker 1>And on the buck Sexton Show. We'll be back just

1:40:16.680 --> 1:40:21.960
<v Speaker 1>after this. You're in the Freedom Hud. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>buck Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show.

1:40:29.120 --> 1:40:32.559
<v Speaker 1>This is Ben Winegarden in for Buck Sexton. And we'll

1:40:32.560 --> 1:40:35.840
<v Speaker 1>try to put a tidy bow on what we've discussed

1:40:36.479 --> 1:40:42.120
<v Speaker 1>during the program today. And we started talking about coronavirus,

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<v Speaker 1>what it means for China, what it means for the US,

1:40:44.920 --> 1:40:47.080
<v Speaker 1>and we talked a bit about American ingred at ilhan

1:40:47.160 --> 1:40:50.519
<v Speaker 1>Omar and the progressive Islamist takeover of the Democratic Party.

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<v Speaker 1>My new book that I urge you to pick up,

1:40:53.080 --> 1:40:55.880
<v Speaker 1>as I said before, at least three copies, one for you,

1:40:56.280 --> 1:40:59.400
<v Speaker 1>one for your children, and one to anger a Bernie

1:40:59.479 --> 1:41:03.479
<v Speaker 1>Brow or more seriously, to any of your still rational

1:41:03.640 --> 1:41:08.240
<v Speaker 1>Democratic friends to understand what is coming if a party

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<v Speaker 1>representing fifty percent of the country is dominated by anti American,

1:41:12.240 --> 1:41:15.680
<v Speaker 1>blame America firsters in general, and in particular someone as

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous as ilhan Omar, And as I've argued, a vote

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<v Speaker 1>for Bernie Sanders is a vote for ilhan Omar and

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<v Speaker 1>everything that she embraces ideologically, as well as the actual

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<v Speaker 1>national security threat posed by her own collusion with the

1:41:30.800 --> 1:41:34.439
<v Speaker 1>swamist adversaries, both foreign and domestic terror tied groups and

1:41:34.560 --> 1:41:38.840
<v Speaker 1>individuals sitting on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. And that

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<v Speaker 1>is actually the perfect representation of the ticking time bomb

1:41:41.680 --> 1:41:46.000
<v Speaker 1>that is this ascendant progressive wing of the Democratic Party.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Democratic establishment gets the danger here because they

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<v Speaker 1>understand that perhaps for the majority of Democrats out there,

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<v Speaker 1>the average Democrat voter, and the average Democrat voter, by

1:41:56.680 --> 1:41:59.840
<v Speaker 1>the way, tends to be much older than the woke

1:42:00.200 --> 1:42:02.880
<v Speaker 1>progressives who might be the loudest today and who are

1:42:02.880 --> 1:42:05.559
<v Speaker 1>clearly playing a substantial role in these primaries. But they

1:42:05.640 --> 1:42:09.960
<v Speaker 1>understand that the average Democrat voter is more in the mold,

1:42:10.760 --> 1:42:15.880
<v Speaker 1>at least relatively of a JFK sort of Democrat, a

1:42:16.000 --> 1:42:21.439
<v Speaker 1>Pat moynihan sort of Democrat, than these Democrats than the squad.

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<v Speaker 1>But all the energy in the party resides with its activist, progressive,

1:42:29.760 --> 1:42:35.280
<v Speaker 1>radical anti American wing and so you see that we've

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<v Speaker 1>ended up in a situation where a party that hates

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<v Speaker 1>wealth attacks the wealthy, is behind me too and other

1:42:43.040 --> 1:42:48.040
<v Speaker 1>such movements, the establishments putting all their eggs or some

1:42:48.120 --> 1:42:50.400
<v Speaker 1>of their eggs at least in the Mike Bloomberg basket,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, even though I think he's a terrible candidate

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of having no appeal whatsoever substantive or stylistic,

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<v Speaker 1>well in general, but then also to the key swing

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<v Speaker 1>states that are at play here, and they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>let this billionaire come in and as he said before,

1:43:07.200 --> 1:43:10.000
<v Speaker 1>buy how seats he essentially let slip in that last debate,

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<v Speaker 1>buy a nomination, steal it from a true believer, or

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<v Speaker 1>at the very least help the party with his mass

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<v Speaker 1>of resources, and keep afloat some of these other figures

1:43:23.439 --> 1:43:28.040
<v Speaker 1>directly or indirectly himself, so that the nomination can be

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<v Speaker 1>stolen from Bernie Sanders. And I'm of two minds on this.

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<v Speaker 1>On the one hand, I think Bernie Sanders is maybe

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<v Speaker 1>their most compelling candidate. And for those who think that

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be a cakewalk if it's Trump versus Sanders,

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<v Speaker 1>I would urge some caution there not because on a

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<v Speaker 1>substantive basis, he should beat Donald Trump in any stretch,

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<v Speaker 1>in any form, it would be cataquismic, absolutely cataquismic to

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<v Speaker 1>the country. But Bernie Sanders is sort of the opposite

1:43:53.880 --> 1:43:57.400
<v Speaker 1>side of the populous coin. And I've argued the very

1:43:57.439 --> 1:44:03.360
<v Speaker 1>simplistic case for Bernie's strength is this, he appears to

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<v Speaker 1>be genuine. He's been consistent on nearly every issue for

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<v Speaker 1>four decades. He's the real deal when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>his ideology. He takes positions that would be perceived as

1:44:17.680 --> 1:44:20.760
<v Speaker 1>politically suicido, but which resonate with a core on the

1:44:20.760 --> 1:44:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Democratic side. And when you hear people go out there

1:44:24.960 --> 1:44:27.280
<v Speaker 1>and attack him, like James Carville, they're not saying I

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<v Speaker 1>disagree with his ideas. They're saying I think he's politically

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<v Speaker 1>toxic potentially. But they all are ideologically in his direction,

1:44:33.920 --> 1:44:40.439
<v Speaker 1>oriented in his direction. But Bernie is a candidate with

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<v Speaker 1>a message, and he is the right messenger, just as

1:44:45.240 --> 1:44:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump was. Content free candidates who try to pander

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<v Speaker 1>and push to try to win over in the Democrats case,

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<v Speaker 1>the woke anti American progressives, they're showing themselves to be

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<v Speaker 1>not the real deal. They're not genuine Bernie is the original,

1:45:03.520 --> 1:45:07.120
<v Speaker 1>genuine article, and a candidate with a message be it's

1:45:07.120 --> 1:45:09.320
<v Speaker 1>a candidate with no message anytime. And that's why I

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<v Speaker 1>think he has a real chance still in their fields,

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<v Speaker 1>even though if he only gets a porality not a majority.

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<v Speaker 1>The party that talks about democracy dying in darkness is

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<v Speaker 1>willing to take away of the nomination from the person

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<v Speaker 1>who gets the most votes. That is what they all

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<v Speaker 1>basically agreed to when every candidate who was asked the question.

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<v Speaker 1>But Bernie said, if you have a porality, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>enough to win our nomination, which means that they're asking

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<v Speaker 1>for a broker convention. And a brokered convention, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>where it's taken away from Bernie would lead to nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight catastrophe for Democrats. Literal riots, chaos, violence, tearing

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<v Speaker 1>their party apart. Except the cops will stand down because

1:45:51.920 --> 1:45:54.920
<v Speaker 1>the Democrats do not believe in there being any policing today.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be an embarrassment for them, it will be

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<v Speaker 1>a disaster for the country. But ultimately, I think what

1:46:01.080 --> 1:46:03.000
<v Speaker 1>you're seeing is that there is a real civil war

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<v Speaker 1>for the heart of it, and my book American ingrate

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<v Speaker 1>Ilhan Omar and the Progressive Islamas Takeover of the Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>Party argues that even if the Bernie wing doesn't win

1:46:11.840 --> 1:46:15.400
<v Speaker 1>today or tomorrow, it is destined to win the way

1:46:15.439 --> 1:46:18.879
<v Speaker 1>things are going, and they are empirical and anecdotal reasons

1:46:18.920 --> 1:46:21.559
<v Speaker 1>for it. But what really matters is that it means

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<v Speaker 1>the end of a pro American fifty percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>country representing party, and that's a disaster for the country

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<v Speaker 1>as a whole. This has been Ben Weingarten in for

1:46:31.200 --> 1:46:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Buck Sexon on the Buck Sexton Show. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>thank Buck for the opportunity to fill in for him,

1:46:35.760 --> 1:46:37.439
<v Speaker 1>and I want to thank you for listening and again

1:46:37.720 --> 1:46:39.800
<v Speaker 1>urge you to pick up my new book, American Ingrate.

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<v Speaker 1>Ilhan Omar and the Progressive Islamas Takeover of the Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>Party have a great weekend, and thanks so much for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us.