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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show begins, CIA Analyst. Remember he's a great guy. No,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben Weingarten

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Speaker 1: in four Bucks Sexton. Always a pleasure to be with you,

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Speaker 1: and want to start by thanking Buck as always for

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Speaker 1: lot to get to during this episode. As you may know,

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Speaker 1: this week, I released my new book American Ingred ilhan

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Speaker 1: the coronavirus. That's where we'll begin today's episode, as well

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Speaker 1: as a discussion on the corruption of our education system,

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, showing that democracy dies in darkness, the

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Speaker 1: increasingly hot confrontation with China in general and over Huawei,

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Speaker 1: and the all important fifth generation technology five G technology

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Speaker 1: in particular with David Goldman. Our education segment will be

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Speaker 1: we'll also have a conversation with Michael Pack, who is

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Speaker 1: the producer of a spectacular new documentary on Clarence Thomas

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Speaker 1: that I urge you to see. But as noted, the

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Speaker 1: implicates a major theme that I've talked about on any

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Speaker 1: China relations, the threat of the Chinese Communist Party, It's nature,

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Speaker 1: be politicized. Just like national security should never be politicized

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Speaker 1: so too it should be the same with anything public

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Speaker 1: health wise that is as major as this potential pandemic.

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Speaker 1: Let's start, though, with China, where this whole thing started.

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Speaker 1: About ten days ago, Jimmy Lay, a media tycoon, ardent hawk,

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Speaker 1: there exists today no vaccine for the coronavirus now engulfing China.

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Speaker 1: That is a challenge for President Shi Jinping as he

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Speaker 1: to mister She. There is no cure for Chinese communism

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Speaker 1: government did what communist governments always do. Cover up. Deception

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Speaker 1: That goes for mister she himself. China's president cannot trust

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Speaker 1: if we're not suicidal in capitalism, why does capitalism work?

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Speaker 1: harder sell. Today, mister She is still seeking more control

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Speaker 1: any event in China's history. Let's just point out that

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Speaker 1: back to the Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben Weinegarden

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Speaker 1: in for Buck Sexton. And before the break we were

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Speaker 1: in the House. And it is precisely because they fear

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Speaker 1: reflects the fact that this progressive poison is ascendant in

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. And how can a party that represents

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Speaker 1: this country actually together? What will unite us. At the

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Speaker 1: which is all about dividing us, rubbing raw the sores

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Speaker 1: us and ultimately take us down. But from their perspective,

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Speaker 1: taking us down is bringing us up to another level,

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Speaker 1: because in their perverse worldview, bringing America down, putting America second,

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Speaker 1: is America first for them, that blame America first ideology.

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Speaker 1: For them, the old is the only moral just thing

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Speaker 1: we care about the fact that she has been elevated

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Speaker 1: and embraced by her party? And I make the comprehensive

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Speaker 1: She's a leading indicator, if not an indicator of the

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Speaker 1: they are. Just after this break, this has been one

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Speaker 1: back just after this you're in the Freedom Hud. This

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Speaker 1: Bucks Sexon and we have been talking about the release

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Speaker 1: of my new book. Very excited about it. The reception

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Speaker 1: has been exceptional so far. If you hadn't seen Newt

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Speaker 1: ingred ilhan Omar and the progressive Islamist takeover of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party shows exactly where this anti americanism and radicalism

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Speaker 1: they won't speak there. In in Bernie's embrace of Castro

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Speaker 1: that point because it's an essential one that this represents,

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Speaker 1: this progressive movement represents anti Americanism. Blame America first, put

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Speaker 1: And as I've argued, a vote for Bernie Sanders is

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Speaker 1: a vote for ilan Omar and the ideology she embraces.

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Speaker 1: And again that is where the Democratic Party is right

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Speaker 1: now with Bernie as the front runner. Now. In terms

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Speaker 1: the alleged criminality, the anti American positions. I also talked

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Speaker 1: to answer when questioned on almost any of this, and

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Speaker 1: then she has all the substantial power that we've talked about.

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Speaker 1: Not mentioned is her Islamist collusion, and that is with

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Speaker 1: foreign regimes, dignitaries associated with Sunni Islamist groups, her support

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Speaker 1: of Shia Islamists. With respect to the Iranian Molocracy, she

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Speaker 1: partners in several of the Sunni Arab states like Saudi

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Speaker 1: Arabia and Egypt and Jordan, and of course our key

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Speaker 1: partner ally in the region, Israel, who perversely, amazingly, as

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Speaker 1: a result of the Obama administration policies, has now ended

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Speaker 1: have sought to destroy Israel, an amazing thing, one of

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Speaker 1: the only positives of the Obama foreign policy agenda. Miraculously

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Speaker 1: this has all transpired and materialized. But ilhan Omar's own

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Speaker 1: Islamist collusion, and I had a editorial about this in

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Speaker 1: check out just regarding ilhan Omar's ties to Turkey alone,

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Speaker 1: and the jumping off point for this, and actually the

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Speaker 1: that meeting shows that they were talking about Turkish Somalia

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Speaker 1: relations of all things, which is bizarre. Omar, a native

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Speaker 1: Omar's associations with all manner of Islamist and her pro

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Speaker 1: Islamic identity combined with her progressivism, and she has talked

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Speaker 1: Why does she have a stake in this? What is

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Speaker 1: her equity in that issue? She is one of the

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Speaker 1: And then she also votes against sanctions on Turkey. There's

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Speaker 1: and she's tweeted BDS Saudi BDS Saudi Arabia before, but

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Speaker 1: then she goes out she votes against sanctions on Turkey

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Speaker 1: over their incursion into Northern Syria against the Kurds, and

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Speaker 1: that was overwhelmingly bipartisan support for those sanctions, just like

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Speaker 1: there was overwhelming bipartisan support for that aforementioned resolution. She

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Turkey. They're detrimental, they hurt people,

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Speaker 1: They're all these terrible humanitarian knock on effects, but completely

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Speaker 1: the terror tied BDS movement against Israel. That's just Turkey.

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Speaker 1: But I document at great length in this book Elanomer's

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Speaker 1: ties again to Somali leaders, some of whom are terror tied,

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Speaker 1: certainly corrupt her own husband in law serving in that

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Speaker 1: regime ultimately. And then her affiliations with all manner of

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Speaker 1: including care which of course was an unindicted co conspirator

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Speaker 1: US history. And these ties are legion And we are

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Speaker 1: appearing pictured with these individuals, working with these individuals on

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Speaker 1: last year. You put all this together, and she represents

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Speaker 1: the personification of what I deem the Progressive Islamist Alliance

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Speaker 1: or axis, and it is jew hatred that is the

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Speaker 1: ultimately hatred for Judaeo Christian Western civilization. And that at

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Speaker 1: core is the importance of this book. It is about

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Speaker 1: a war on us. So I urge you to pick

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Speaker 1: up American Ingrate, ilhan Omar and the Progressive Islamist take

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Speaker 1: Over the Democratic Party. Tweet out a picture of it,

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Speaker 1: be happy to sign copies. This has been wandering in

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Speaker 1: for Buck sex And on the Buck Sex and Show,

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Speaker 1: and we'll be back just after this. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: to the Bus Sex and Show podcasts. Remember to subscribe

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Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or where you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This

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Speaker 1: is Ben wine Garden in for Buck Sexton, and we

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Speaker 1: open today's show by talking about coronavirus and in particular

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Speaker 1: what the implications are and what it tells us about

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Speaker 1: the ruling Chinese Communist Party, which, as I've argued at length,

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Speaker 1: is the number one threat to American liberty engaged in

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Speaker 1: a whole of government comprehensive strategy to become not just

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Speaker 1: the impact on America and frankly, the catastrophic consequences to

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Speaker 1: adversaries love. In some ways, it's almost providing a lifeline

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Speaker 1: to the Chinese Communist Party because when you consider the coronavirus,

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Speaker 1: after the quote unquote trade war that they have endured

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Speaker 1: under the Trump administration, after what transpired in Hong Kong,

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Speaker 1: they've had a lot of losses over the past few years,

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Speaker 1: and the coronavirus, of course, is having massive economic consequences.

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Speaker 1: it ought to be noted that there are other dimensions

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Speaker 1: to this competition as well, and the threat posed by

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Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party has not receded, even though it

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Speaker 1: of the so called trade war that has transpired to date.

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Speaker 1: And this is an area that I think again is

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Speaker 1: not just undermine the Trump administration agenda, but really ultimately

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Speaker 1: again focus on America first, on China. There has been

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Speaker 1: and we're not fully there, as you see with Mike Bloomberg,

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Speaker 1: other people in the Chinese Communist Party who threatened his power.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it's laughable. And of

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Speaker 1: commercial financial ties to China in the past as well,

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Speaker 1: so disastrous on that count. But there has been a realization,

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Speaker 1: and at every single point of crisis, we as a

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Speaker 1: of this, the most horrendous example of this being in

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Speaker 1: the wake of TMMN Square, when the Chinese Communist Party

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Speaker 1: engaged in a disaster and we essentially let them off

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Speaker 1: the hook and said the status quo will continue, and

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Speaker 1: we have enabled the Chinese Communist Party to get rich,

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Speaker 1: and they've thanked us by continuing to steal our crown jewels,

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Speaker 1: threatening today our Navy for example, in the region, and

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Speaker 1: of course seeking to dominate the world with five G technology,

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Speaker 1: as we'll talk about shortway with my next guest, David Goldman.

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Speaker 1: But it does bear noting the actions and the words

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Speaker 1: that Trump administration officials have taken, and again I say

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Speaker 1: that in particular in the realms of national security and

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Speaker 1: foreign policy. And I'd urge you to draw your attention

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Speaker 1: to a few recent actions which demonstrate that even if

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Speaker 1: there was a Phase one trade deal with the Chinese

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Speaker 1: Communist Party, the Trump administration is as ego by it

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Speaker 1: as ever in terms of continuing to counter the Chinese

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Speaker 1: Communist Party with a whole of government strategy. And there

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Speaker 1: have been a few speeches delivered recently that I urge

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Speaker 1: you to read in full because it just represents a

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Speaker 1: remarkable sea change in you s foreign policy, in particular

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Speaker 1: from Attorney General William Barr Bill Barr, as well as

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Speaker 1: Secretary of State Pompeo, and bears noting that just a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, the Department of Justice unveiled a

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Speaker 1: nine count indictment in which it alleged that four members

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Speaker 1: of the PLA that's the Chinese Army Research Institute hacked

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Speaker 1: Equifax's computer networks, stealing sensitive information including names, birthday, social

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Speaker 1: security numbers of almost one hundred and fifty million Americans

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Speaker 1: that's almost half the country in other words, and driver's

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Speaker 1: licensed numbers from ten million or more Americans. And these

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Speaker 1: PLA officers were also charged with engaging in economic espionage

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Speaker 1: and a raft of other crimes as well. That's a

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Speaker 1: remarkable thing that that indictment was revealed, because in the past,

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Speaker 1: the US would have never engaged in an operation to

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Speaker 1: prosecute PLA TIEDE officials, let alone PLA officials themselves. What

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Speaker 1: Barr said was, for years, we have witnessed China's veracious

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Speaker 1: appetite for the personal data of Americans, including the theft

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Speaker 1: of personal records from the US Office of Personnel Management,

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Speaker 1: which we've talked about talked about at length of the show,

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Speaker 1: the intrusion into Marriott Hotels and Anthem Health Insurance Company,

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Speaker 1: and now the whole sealth theft of credit and other

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Speaker 1: information from Equifax. This data has economic value, and these

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Speaker 1: thefts can feed China's development of artificial intelligence tools as

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Speaker 1: well as the creation of intelligence targeting packages. And what

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Speaker 1: Bar has overseen at the Department of Justice is a

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Speaker 1: China initiative that has led to a number of public

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Speaker 1: actions charging individuals and entities for crimes relating to everything

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Speaker 1: from the infiltration of US academic and research institutions and

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Speaker 1: strategically significant and sensitive areas, to charging people with committing

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Speaker 1: espionage on behalf of the Chinese government, trafficking and counterfeit

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Speaker 1: goods which steals millions, if not billions of dollars ultimately

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Speaker 1: in wealth from Americans over time, the illegal importation of

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Speaker 1: goods manufactured in China, and numerous trade theft cases, as

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Speaker 1: well as, of course, actions against the telecommunications giant and

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Speaker 1: central player in China's grand strategy, Whawei, the behemoth, the

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Speaker 1: crown jewel for the Chinese Communist Party in their effort

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Speaker 1: to be the dominant world power. So i'd urge you

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Speaker 1: to read Attorney General Bar's speech at the CSIS think Tank,

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Speaker 1: as well as a speech delivered by Secretary of State

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Speaker 1: Pompeo to governors in which he talked about the Chinese

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Speaker 1: Communist Party's targeting of American political officials, including governors around

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Speaker 1: the country. Next, We're going to have an in depth

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Speaker 1: conversation with a China watcher par excellence, an expert when

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Speaker 1: it comes to Huawei in specifically and the Chinese Communist

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Speaker 1: Party and its grand strategy generally. David Goldman, this has

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Speaker 1: been one going in for Buck Sexton on the Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. We'll be back with David Goldman just after this.

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Speaker 1: You're in the Freedom Hunt. This is the Buck Sexton

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Speaker 1: Show podcast. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This

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Speaker 1: is Ben Weinegarden in for Buck sexon and we've been

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Speaker 1: talking about as we always do, for about an hour

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Speaker 1: when filling in for Buck Sex and the pivotal foreign

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Speaker 1: threat of our time to our liberty as Americans, that

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Speaker 1: of the Chinese Communist Party. And one of the shrewdest

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Speaker 1: and most knowledgeable China watchers out there is my next guest,

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Speaker 1: David Goldman, known as Spengler, where he writes for the

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Speaker 1: Asia Times. He also contributes frequently to PJ Media and

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Speaker 1: also I'm proud to report and happy to report has

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Speaker 1: a book coming out later this year regarding some of

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Speaker 1: our topics today on Huawei in particular, You will be assimilated. David,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on the program. Bran, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for having it's a great pleasure. So first

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Speaker 1: I should say, you work in financial markets in addition

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Speaker 1: to all your writing, and we've seen financial markets essentially

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Speaker 1: tank in the West during this last week in large

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Speaker 1: part and I hate when financial watchers attribute market movements

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Speaker 1: to one or two particular events, but in this case,

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Speaker 1: I do think it is safe to say in response

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Speaker 1: to coronavirus and government responses to coronavirus. So first, I

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Speaker 1: just wonder if you'd give us your general take on

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Speaker 1: what has transpired and where do you think this is going,

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Speaker 1: both for China and the US. The point at which

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Speaker 1: the markets went bananas is when Korea and Japan and

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Speaker 1: Italy showed a very large number of cases. The rate

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Speaker 1: of spread of the virus outside of China became significantly

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Speaker 1: greater than the rate inside China itself. China is a

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Speaker 1: detallature in surveillance state. If you go by an aspirin

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Speaker 1: and you're not on the quarantine list in the city

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Speaker 1: like Uha, the police will come and give you a

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Speaker 1: test for COVID nineteen to make sure you're nottivating quarantine.

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Speaker 1: So the Chinese have had the capacity to locked down

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Speaker 1: gigantic members of the population isolated a city of thirteen

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Speaker 1: million people. Very hard to do in the West, and

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Speaker 1: the rate of infection in China has level dwelt, but

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Speaker 1: outside China much harder to control. So with Japanese schools

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Speaker 1: shut down, with a Japanese island of Hokaido quarantined at home,

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Speaker 1: with lower a thousand cases in Korea, and rapid spread

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Speaker 1: in Italy, nobody knows what kind of damned this will inflict,

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Speaker 1: and also what kind of political problems it will dredge

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Speaker 1: up in its way. God forbid that Bernie Sanders becomes

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Speaker 1: president of the United States. But if you have a

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Speaker 1: sufficient crisis like this, obviously it increases the chances of

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Speaker 1: something terrible like that happening. So the degree of uncertainty

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Speaker 1: is so great about this that it spooked the market.

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Speaker 1: I think the market has gone much too far, by

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Speaker 1: the way. Personally, I've been buying certain stocks this morning,

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Speaker 1: and I'm comfortable that we're not going to have anything

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Speaker 1: like the two thousand and eight crash. Totally different situation.

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Speaker 1: Not very worried, but I do think it would be

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Speaker 1: appropriate for saying emergency tax cuts and similar to spending

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Speaker 1: to come from the major governments as a way of

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Speaker 1: timing the economy over getting over the hump as we

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Speaker 1: learned to double the virus. And it's worth noting also

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Speaker 1: that there was a report I believe from the Jerusalem

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Speaker 1: Post last night that is an Israeli company was supposedly

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Speaker 1: within weeks away from developing a virus to handle coronavirus,

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Speaker 1: so potentially vaccine. Yes, yes, that's true, but it's very

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Speaker 1: unlikely that any vaccine is going to have a measurable

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Speaker 1: impact in the rise in the several months that we'll

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Speaker 1: worry about. Now. Sure, I want to transition to something

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Speaker 1: that we've discussed on this program atlant on numerous occasions,

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Speaker 1: and that is China's Grand strategy. It's focus in particular

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Speaker 1: on being a dominant player in technology and networking and

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Speaker 1: information technology in particular. And so we'll start very narrow

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Speaker 1: to get to a broader question, which is how does

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Speaker 1: fit into China's grand strategy. Walway is an entirely unique

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Speaker 1: development in five thousand years of Chinese history. I can't

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Speaker 1: overestimate how important it is. For the first time China

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Speaker 1: has managed to enlist the towns of ten to thousands,

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Speaker 1: so some of the best Western engineers and scientists. It

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Speaker 1: is not a Chinese company. It is an imperial company

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Speaker 1: in which the Chinese Empire has put into harness many

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Speaker 1: of the best minds in the West. For example, we

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Speaker 1: are very cross with Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister of England,

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Speaker 1: for allowing Wali to build out part of Britain's five

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Speaker 1: G network, and the American officials seem to be shocked

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Speaker 1: by this decision. They could have seen it coming. Ten

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Speaker 1: years ago. Two eleven, Wali hired the Chief Information Officer

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Speaker 1: of Her Majesty's government, John Suffolk. Two and twelve Wali

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Speaker 1: anounced that was going to spread two billion dollars around

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Speaker 1: in England in the form of research grants, laboratories, R

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Speaker 1: and D, all kinds of things. They have bought their

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Speaker 1: way into every university department, every startup, every lab that

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Speaker 1: has anything to do with telecommunications. They've hardwired the British

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Speaker 1: scientific establishment into their project, and they've been doing it

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Speaker 1: in public view, bragging about it openly for more than

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Speaker 1: nine years. So the extent to which China has linked

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Speaker 1: itself into the scientific contento, large school lead and key

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Speaker 1: parts of the corporate sector in Western Europe and of

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Speaker 1: course Russia, obviously Southeast Asia is up to the Chinese

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Speaker 1: have never attempted before, they ever done before. Now they

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Speaker 1: have a juggernail which is extremely hard to stop, and

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Speaker 1: it can't be stopped us by scolding our allies working

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Speaker 1: with you've written some very interesting stories regarding your experiences

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Speaker 1: touring Wahwei facilities. Of course under the close watch, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure of their handwears. Meeting with Huawei officials, officers, regular

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Speaker 1: workers there. Can you share some of your insights that

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Speaker 1: you think are most pertinent regarding those visits. I became

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Speaker 1: I'm the forest gump analyst here. I just happened to

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Speaker 1: be there at the right time. Four years ago, I

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Speaker 1: was working as an adjustment banker for a little boutique

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Speaker 1: in Hong Kong and we wanted to get Walwe's business.

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Speaker 1: Nobody was objecting to it then it wasn't on the radar,

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Speaker 1: so I introduced them to the government of Mexico, where

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Speaker 1: by the way, Walwi is now building Mexico's national broadband system,

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Speaker 1: including five G. I'm the American border. You don't hear

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Speaker 1: a lot of talk about that, but it was something

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Speaker 1: of an accomplishment. So I took the Mexican ambassador to

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Speaker 1: Chi to Huawei headquarters in Shenzen and we went through

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Speaker 1: the exhibition hall of their technologies, which looks like ten

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Speaker 1: air and space museums in the National Mall. It's an

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Speaker 1: in a little amphitheater, and a fellow from while they

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Speaker 1: came up with a power point and said, you are

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Speaker 1: a big country. You have bad broadband. Bad broadband means

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Speaker 1: you are poor. We will make you rich. You can

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Speaker 1: become rich like China. Let us come in and build

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Speaker 1: a national broadband network. Then we bring in Chinese e commerce,

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Speaker 1: we bring in Chinese e finals. When we bring in

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Speaker 1: Chinese technology, you will become like China. Sounded like the board.

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Speaker 1: You will be assimilated. And Mexicans are just stunned. The

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Speaker 1: massador said, how long have you been doing this? The

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Speaker 1: Chinese guy kind of looked at his watch and said, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, seven or eight years. And their mouths

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Speaker 1: are on the floor now. Of course they are doing it.

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Speaker 1: So what China wants to do is not just spin

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Speaker 1: and spy on our information flows or steal our secrets.

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Speaker 1: That's so nineties. What China wants to do is become

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Speaker 1: the dominant force in the world economy and use its

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Speaker 1: control of broadband to layer in all the new technologies.

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Speaker 1: Go to de find a twenty first century artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 1: automated manufacturing, autonomous vehicles, remote control surgery, medical diagnostics, or

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Speaker 1: artificial intelligence via the cloud, and all of this is public.

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Speaker 1: You can go to Wawei's website and watch their confidence

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Speaker 1: speeches on this and streaming video. You can read their

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Speaker 1: profiles for transforming the technological capability of every country in

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Speaker 1: the world. They've got a little profile of a hundred

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Speaker 1: countries and what they want to do to them. This

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Speaker 1: is a plan for China to be de transformative factor

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Speaker 1: in the Fourth Industrial Revolution and the dominant power in

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Speaker 1: the world economy. So it'd be fair to say that

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Speaker 1: in this case, the communists are selling us the rope

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Speaker 1: with which to hang us. Well, I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: communist I've met more communists in Cambridge, Massachusetts than I

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Speaker 1: have in China. This is if it were just communists.

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Speaker 1: Ben and I fight with all of my conservative friends

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Speaker 1: about this all the time. Communistry idiots. Communism isn't that

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Speaker 1: became a wasn't It's a stupid idea. The Chinese are

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Speaker 1: the embodiment of the old Mandarin meritocracy which has ruled

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Speaker 1: China for twenty five hundred years. They just happened to

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Speaker 1: be called to communist party. We're dealing with a five

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Speaker 1: thousand year old empire that's curious, pragmatic, energetic, brutal and

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Speaker 1: ruthless and has now woken up from five thousand years

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Speaker 1: of slumber, looked at the world and said this looks

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Speaker 1: appetized into us. Why don't we take it. We're speaking

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Speaker 1: with David Goldman here and we'll continue this conversation right

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Speaker 1: after the break. This is Ben Weingarten in for Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexon on the Buck Sexon Show. Back just after this.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the bus Sex and Show podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Remember to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. This is Ben Weingarten in for Buck Sexton,

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Speaker 1: and I want to continue this conversation with David Goldman.

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Speaker 1: He's known as Spangler for Asia Times. He writes at

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Speaker 1: PJ Media and elsewhere, and as I noted previously, is

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Speaker 1: one of the shrewdest China watchers. There is, and we've

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Speaker 1: been talking about Whawei as a seminal player in the

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Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party's grand strategy to be the dominant world power.

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Speaker 1: And that brings us naturally, naturally to the question of

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Speaker 1: how far behind is America and why have we failed

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Speaker 1: to date to counter the CCP in this endeavor. Well,

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Speaker 1: see our technol companies bend. It's not so much that

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Speaker 1: they're rearranging the decktures and the Titanic. It's more like

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Speaker 1: their sealing and the the silver spoons from the dining room.

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Speaker 1: They've had a twenty year freide where they figured out

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Speaker 1: that if they invest in software, which is infinitely scalable,

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Speaker 1: marginal costs of adding a customer, zero, huge rates of

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Speaker 1: return in equity, they don't have to do the dirty

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Speaker 1: and lower return job of building the hardware. Let they

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Speaker 1: contract that out to the Asians. Not simply China, of course,

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Speaker 1: it's a Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan, of course, South Korea. It's

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Speaker 1: all the same model. The Asians subsidize chip fabrication plants

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Speaker 1: the way we subsidize sports stadiums or airports. So the

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Speaker 1: US tech sector instead of investing in physics, hardware, changing nature,

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Speaker 1: high tech manufacturing concentrated exclusively on software. Cisco, for example,

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Speaker 1: use through the dominant telecommunication equipment company in the world.

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Speaker 1: They've moved almost entirely out of hark Or. They're a

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Speaker 1: software company. They've got a return in equity of thirty

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Speaker 1: five percent. At breakfast stows a few months ago with

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Speaker 1: a senior guy from WAWE, and he said, we don't

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Speaker 1: understand you Americans. If you were worried about us, why

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Speaker 1: didn't you just have Cisco by Ericson. That's the big

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Speaker 1: Swedish telecommunications company and the closest to a competitor that

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Speaker 1: WAWE has. Have Cisco by Ericsson and create a national

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Speaker 1: champion that competes with us. And I told the Walwe guy, well,

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Speaker 1: it's real simple. Cisco as a return of equity of

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Speaker 1: thirty five percent. Ericson had a return of equity last

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Speaker 1: year of about zero. So Cisco stock price would go down,

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Speaker 1: and we don't do anything that doesn't boost stock prices.

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Speaker 1: That's simple. So we've been entirely focused on shareholder value

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Speaker 1: and going for the quickest buck without thinking about long

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Speaker 1: term consequences. Whereas a Chinese have been digging in and

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Speaker 1: building the infrastructure to dominate not just five detelecommunications, but

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Speaker 1: all the many manufacturing, mining, retail, finance, shipping applications that

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Speaker 1: come often so in just a couple of minutes. And

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Speaker 1: I know it's difficult to condense it or distill it.

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Speaker 1: You've argued in effect, if not directly, for a national

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Speaker 1: industrial policy, and free marketeers will of course fear the

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Speaker 1: government and private sector working hand in hand, legitimate fears

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Speaker 1: in many cases, but of course we're dealing with an

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Speaker 1: existential threat here. Or they'll argue that the government directing

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Speaker 1: projects in space like telecommunications will lead to all of

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Speaker 1: the problems that we know tend to come from central planning.

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Speaker 1: So what is your response to them? And then what

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Speaker 1: does your whole of government plan look like. All those

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Speaker 1: objections are valid, and the best way to avoid them

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Speaker 1: is do what we did under the Reggae devestation, where

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Speaker 1: we were spending the equivalent in today's dollars at three

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Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars a year in basic scientific research. We

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Speaker 1: contract out to the big corporate labs which don't exist anymore,

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Speaker 1: to look into all kinds of things, out of which

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Speaker 1: we got chief and fast semiconductors, the semiconductor laser optical networks,

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Speaker 1: the Internet itself. Virtually everything that went into the digital

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Speaker 1: age came out of a basic science grant from the

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Speaker 1: Defense Department, but we let private companies raise money and

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Speaker 1: take the risk of commercializing the inventions. So I think

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Speaker 1: we need to work our way back up to that

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Speaker 1: three hundred billion dollars a year level, about a point

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Speaker 1: and a half of GDP of subsidies for basic research.

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Speaker 1: We need to train more engineers to get there. We

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Speaker 1: need to train more scientists, We need to persuade the

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Speaker 1: corporations that used to have these giant industrial labs to rebuild.

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Speaker 1: And it's absolute we could do overnight, but we need

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Speaker 1: to go backs of the kind of things we did

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Speaker 1: and won the Cold War under Reagan, who was of

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Speaker 1: course a great free marketer and did not allow the

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Speaker 1: private sector for the most part, to exploit government subsidies,

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Speaker 1: which is what many of my free market colleagues worry about,

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Speaker 1: as do I. We've been speaking with David Goldman. I

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Speaker 1: urge you to read everything you can that he writes,

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Speaker 1: and he is a book coming out later this year

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Speaker 1: on many of the topics we've just spoken about that.

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Speaker 1: It will be titled You Will be Assimilated. David, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for coming on the program. Ben, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for having me. And this is Ben Winegarden

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Speaker 1: in for Buck sex In here on the Buck Sex

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Speaker 1: and Show. Back just after this you're in the Freedom Hud.

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Speaker 1: This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the Buck Sex and Show. This is Ben Weingarten in

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Speaker 1: for Buck Sexton and with my last guest, we talked

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Speaker 1: about the threat posed by the Chinese Communist Party. But

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Speaker 1: as I've talked about on numerous occasions a show, ultimately

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Speaker 1: America has the capability to grapple with any foreign adversary,

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Speaker 1: almost any challenge we could possibly face externally. The greater

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Speaker 1: challenge that we have is do we have the will

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Speaker 1: and do we have the internal strength the cohesion. Are

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Speaker 1: we united enough to grapple with not just those external

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Speaker 1: problems but the internal problems that we are facing today.

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Speaker 1: And a couple of those core problems are one the

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Speaker 1: collapse of the family and two and relatedly in many respects,

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Speaker 1: just the horrid shape that our education system is in,

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Speaker 1: something that our adversaries a certain way themselves taken advantage

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Speaker 1: of and one of the keenest experts on the state

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Speaker 1: of our education system where it's headed, where we are

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Speaker 1: today is Joy Pullman, who is my colleague, the executive

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Speaker 1: editor of the Federal Issues, written an ebook recommending more

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Speaker 1: than four hundred classic books for family was with young children,

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Speaker 1: which I urge you to take a look at. And

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Speaker 1: she's also the author of The Education Invasion, How Common

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Speaker 1: Core Fights parents for control of American Kids, a book

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Speaker 1: that I actually interviewed Joy on in the past, and

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Speaker 1: she wrote a great piece at the Federalists recently where

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Speaker 1: she talked about an exchange on Morning Joe which implicated

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Speaker 1: the whitewashing of Bernie Sanders's communist coddling. So with that background, Joy,

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Speaker 1: tell us about that exchange and your thoughts on it. Well,

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Speaker 1: it seems, you know, look, it wasn't a big deal,

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Speaker 1: but it kind of underscores a lot of things that

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Speaker 1: are the service, kind of like a tip of the

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Speaker 1: iceberg sort of thing. So I think it was Wednesday

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Speaker 1: morning on Joe Scarborough show on MSNBC Morning Joe, he

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Speaker 1: and a guest were talking about you know, Scarborough has

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Speaker 1: been public about his concerns about socialism and communism, and

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders potentially becoming the Democratic nominee label is one

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Speaker 1: of those. So even though he is obviously a leftist,

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Speaker 1: Scarborough isn't willing to go as far as to label

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Speaker 1: the ideas you know, socialism or communism. So he and

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Speaker 1: his number There are a number of panelists, but the

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Speaker 1: one he had this exchange with was a fellow from

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Speaker 1: Princeton University Eddie and I don't know if I'm probably

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Speaker 1: not going to pronounce his name well, but Gaudi Gaude anyway,

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Speaker 1: so what they you know, the fellow was seemed to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of advocating for Bernard Standers, and one

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Speaker 1: of the things that he said was, you know a

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Speaker 1: lot you know Americans. He didn't think that Bernie's comments

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Speaker 1: supporting socialist dictator Fidel Castro Cuba was necessarily a bad

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Speaker 1: thing because he noted that a number of Americans think

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Speaker 1: that America is basically an imperialist, colonialist power. And Scarborough said, okay,

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Speaker 1: well that's two percent of Americans for the other ninety

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Speaker 1: eight percent, how does this work? Well, but what I

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Speaker 1: want on to talk about in the article is how

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Speaker 1: actually that's not two percent of Americans. You know, depending

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Speaker 1: on the question that you're asking and you know, and

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Speaker 1: the poll that you're looking at, something between thirty and

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Speaker 1: forty percent of Americans, and especially higher percentages of young

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Speaker 1: people will agree. I mean half of you know, half

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Speaker 1: of Americans will agree that with the statement that America

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Speaker 1: is a racist and a sexist country. You know, thirty

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Speaker 1: to forty percent of especially young people will agree. The

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Speaker 1: United States, you know, it shouldn't be proud of its history.

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Speaker 1: United States wasn't great and never will be. A twenty

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Speaker 1: percent of them said young people that America will never

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Speaker 1: be great. You know. So again, some of these are

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Speaker 1: minority numbers, that they are very sizeable minority numbers, and

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Speaker 1: it's a shocking how big that is, and that obviously

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Speaker 1: has grown across time, this negative view of people, you know,

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Speaker 1: of American Again, I think America definitely comes in for

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Speaker 1: criticism and a number of things that we've done corporately politically,

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Speaker 1: I think we still do now. I mean, we're overseeing

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Speaker 1: what I consider to be mass genocide with our laws

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Speaker 1: about abortion. You know. So definitely think that America can

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Speaker 1: be criticized, but that doesn't mean that I hate America.

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Speaker 1: And the growth of really negative opinions among Americans, especially

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Speaker 1: given that we know that the growth, that growth is

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Speaker 1: fed by public tax dollars, public education institutions. Attacking the

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Speaker 1: very nation that feeds them, that supports them, that sustains them.

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Speaker 1: That is a new and it's very troubling thing for

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Speaker 1: the future of this country. And I have to have

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Speaker 1: a little tie in here to my book American ingrids

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Speaker 1: ilhan Omer and the Progressive Islamist take over the Democratic Party, because,

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Speaker 1: as I note in that book, while she was raised

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Speaker 1: herself in a Marxist Islamist dictatorship in Somalia in the

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Speaker 1: early years of her life, and her family served that regime,

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Speaker 1: she could have gotten the same anti American ideas there,

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Speaker 1: like the ones you just described to imperialist colonialist occupying power,

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Speaker 1: just as easily from Somalia as in the encove that

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Speaker 1: she lived in in Minneapolis. That is a really scary

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Speaker 1: concept to consider, and it begs the question, how did

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Speaker 1: the American education system become anti American? Well, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's taken a long time. You know something people are

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Speaker 1: familiar probably with the phrase the long march through the institutions,

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Speaker 1: But I mean part of it just is that the

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Speaker 1: left deliberately targeted cultural institutions, one of the chief ones

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Speaker 1: of which is education. And quite frankly, people on the right,

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Speaker 1: conservatives and even people who wouldn't call themselves political conservatives

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Speaker 1: but are kind of dispositionally moderate or conservative, they we

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Speaker 1: haven't put it up. We haven't put up a fight.

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Speaker 1: You know. Really the left has been the aggressors in

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Speaker 1: this case, and you know, they keep pushing and coashing

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Speaker 1: and keep pushing, and it's I don't think it has

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Speaker 1: dawned fast enough on Americans a of all what they're doing,

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Speaker 1: and be the consequences of it, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe to add a C there. Therefore, you our response

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Speaker 1: has just been extremely lacking. You know, we we have

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Speaker 1: known about problems like this for at least the past

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Speaker 1: fifty two one hundred years. You know, I've done you know,

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Speaker 1: some search about the history of American education politics, and

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Speaker 1: you know, so this has been evident from the beginning,

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01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: and Americans have been complacent, particularly our political leaders on

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01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: the right have done way too much, you know, trying

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Speaker 1: to be moderates, trying to be partisan. And while they

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01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: have you know, basically done that, you know, the you know,

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Speaker 1: the schools have been transformed under their feet into agents

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Speaker 1: you know, that really turn Americans against their own country.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I think that's completely outrageous. There's no

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Speaker 1: point in a conflict country can exist. You know, if

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01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: we are literally teaching people to hate the country. You know,

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01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: that is educating them and in many cases clothing and

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01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: feeding them and housing them in school. You know, schooling

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01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: them is you know, we just can't continue as a

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Speaker 1: country if we're going to allow our own institutions to

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01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: attack our existence. Only a country that has it really

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01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: good on a relative and absolute basis could have the

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01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: time or the sort of narcissistic self loathing that we

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Speaker 1: do to have these great institutions and then seek to

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01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: tarnish them. It really is a remarkable thing. Do you

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Speaker 1: think there's something in the American psyche that is just

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01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: broken at this point? Well? I do, Actually, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a Western thing. Self criticism is something

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01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: that the West says that you don't see to the

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01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,919
Speaker 1: same extent in for example, the Eastern you know kind

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Speaker 1: of heritage. So I mean, and I think there is legitimacy. Again,

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Speaker 1: there is something that makes it can be a strength

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Speaker 1: to criticize yourself to notice your flaws and seek to

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Speaker 1: correct them. I mean, the America most maybe the most

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Speaker 1: notably did that, you know, with the Civil War and

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Speaker 1: a civil rights movement. Sure we had a flaw, and

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01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, we worked to fix it and that needed

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01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: to happen. So there are absolutely positive things that come

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01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: from that. But there's also, you know, a point where

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01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: it goes too far, you know, where you say that

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01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: because America has done things, therefore all the good things

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01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: are negated or we can't notice them or talk about

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01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: them too or put the evil things in context. And

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01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,439
Speaker 1: that really is what education ought to be. I don't

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Speaker 1: advocate for education is indoctrination from a conservative point of view,

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01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: I want people to know the truth, and you know,

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01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: they're left instead of presenting people all of the facts

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01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: in the whole context and doing that as a developmentally

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01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,520
Speaker 1: appropriate time. I mean, I have not shown my preschoolers,

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01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: you know, pictures of whipped American slaves, right, but that

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01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: is a historical fact that people need to see perhaps

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Speaker 1: at some point. I haven't brought my babies to the

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Speaker 1: American Holocaust Museum, but I've been there, and I think

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Speaker 1: Americans should go there, right, you know, So that process

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Speaker 1: of education needs to be done wisely in it, but

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Speaker 1: it needs to have the whole truth. And too many

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Speaker 1: times and too often, especially nowadays, American kids are not

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Speaker 1: given the whole truth, and that colors their worldview and

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Speaker 1: and and I think really what needs to happen is

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01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: we need the American kids need to start with a

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Speaker 1: disposition to love and have affection for their country, and

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Speaker 1: then from that orientation then they learn how to criticize it,

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Speaker 1: just like within a family, right, And you know, we

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01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: all have families and we all mostly love them, but

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01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 1: we're also free to criticize our families, right. But you

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01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: do that from wanting your family to be better, you know,

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01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: and so rather than hating your family and wanting to

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01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: destroy it. So what Criticizing out of love and criticizing

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01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: out of hatred are two completely different things and only

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01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: one of them is the one that the left tries

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Speaker 1: to do typically. Today, Well, we're up against a break

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Speaker 1: in about a minute and a half or so. But

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Speaker 1: before we hit that break, I wanted to ask. I've

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Speaker 1: seen a book for toddlers titled A is for Activism

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01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: and for every letter of the alphabet, it's just it's

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01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: beyond parody in some ways, but the fact that this

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01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: is really in bookstores is remarkable. And then as you

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01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: go up the grade levels, you have Howard Jin's people's history.

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01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: Now we have the sixteen nineteen project pervading many school

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01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: districts throughout the country. Is there any competition from our

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01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 1: side to the left's content continued along March through the

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01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 1: institution of the Academy, There is very very little. There

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01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: is some, there are some very tiny, you know, less

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01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: than I think one or two percent of the country

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01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 1: has access to private school choice programs. Republicans have really

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01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 1: I mean, they play talk a big game, but they

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01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,560
Speaker 1: do not act a big game when it comes to

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01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: jeffreying parents. I mean the plurality of parents. So that is,

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01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: you know, the largest group of parents, something around forty

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01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: five percent want to send their kids to a private school,

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01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: but only ten percent of American parents do that, right,

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01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: So huge mismatch between what Americans want and what they're getting.

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01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 1: And Republicans have really dropped the ball on making sure

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01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: they can access that. And so, I mean, and the

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01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: right has completely I mean, I just wish this weren't true,

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01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: but it is true. Has ignored the fact that education

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01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: and family is crucial. Maybe you know the bet that

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01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: plus religion, I would say, you know, in terms of

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01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: the culture cultural impact, those three things are the chief ones,

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01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: and the right has a very poor game on at

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01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: least two of them. And we are losing the country

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01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: because of it. And if we don't start getting with

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01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 1: the program and taking I think we should have a boycott, divestment,

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01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: sactions movement for Marxist education. We need to not send

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Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars or support or put public names on any

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01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: education institution that attacks, you know, the country that gives

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Speaker 1: it money and gives it children. We'll be back with

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Speaker 1: more with Joy Pullman just after this. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: to the bus X and Show podcasts. Remember to subscribe

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01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: on Apple podcast, the iHeart Radio app, or wherever you

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01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Buck Sex and Show.

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Speaker 1: This is Ben Weingarten in for Bucksex In and before

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Speaker 1: the break we were talking with Joy Pullman about the

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Speaker 1: Long March through the Institutions, which, by the way, the

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Speaker 1: Long March, the origins of it start in part with

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Speaker 1: Antonio gramscy leftist Italian official who ideologue, rather I should

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01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: say who espouse this sort of view of taking over

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Speaker 1: through cultural institutions to ultimately impact everything else. And it

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01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:13,839
Speaker 1: bears noting that former Mayor Pepodijj's father was the world's

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01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: foremost expert on gram sheet, So if you think he's

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01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: the moderate in their party, you might want to think

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01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 1: again about that. Joy was just talking before the break

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Speaker 1: about the challenges that we face both in academia and

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01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: outside of academia as well, and I think it dovetails

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01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: with something that I talk about at length in my

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01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: book American Ingrate about the decline and religiosity, devotion to

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01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:41,560
Speaker 1: building families, and also love of country among in particular

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Speaker 1: younger generations. What do you think the link is, Joy,

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Speaker 1: between what is transpired in our education system and the

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01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: declines in all of these essential areas well. It's really

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Speaker 1: hard to I mean, I think it's that's almost you know,

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Speaker 1: chicken or the egg question. It's hard to say, you

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01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: know what came first, families getting you know, becoming a mess,

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01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: or school is becoming a mess. I would probably say,

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01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, families becoming a mess, right, because I mean,

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01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: I know a lot of teachers and they will uniformly

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01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: tell you, you know, we have to deal with so

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01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: much stuff, so much personal stuff, that it's really hard

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01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: to make way for the business of education. And you know,

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01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,759
Speaker 1: the family is the place that sets the child's first

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01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 1: loves and and orient you know, his kind of direction

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01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: in the world. And a lot of families, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, actually this happened to me when I became

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01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: a parent. I wasn't aware of how explicit I need

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01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: to be in order to teach my children to behave

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01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: the way that I want them to behave. I saw,

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01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the things the kids would

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01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: just pick up or get through osmosis. And I was wrong,

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Speaker 1: even about simple things like how to play with toys,

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01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 1: you know, and of course discipline things, but also of

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01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: course with um you know, these these ideas of the heart,

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01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, these orientation short of the world, what to

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01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 1: love and how to love it. Kids need to be

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01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: explicitly and openly taught that. And that, in fact is

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01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 1: something again that the left tends to do better than

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01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: the right. Right they openly propagandies they're kids, like you

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01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: were saying with this little board book about a for activists.

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01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a ridiculous thing to teach

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01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: a child. But at least the left gets that little

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01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 1: children need to hear the most important things right away

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01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:23,719
Speaker 1: when they're too you know, have it on their lips,

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01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, just I mean, you know, I was so.

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Speaker 1: For example, the school my kids go to as a classical,

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01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: private Christian school, and the very five six year old

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01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 1: kids are memorizing the First Amendment. They don't know what

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01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: the First Amendment means, but it is going to be.

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01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: It's in their heart. They have taught that it's something

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01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: that is valuable, used as a valuable class time, and

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01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: it is something that the school comes back to over

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01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: the years and it deepens and deepens in their heart,

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01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 1: and it becomes a part of who they are. And

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01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: you know, I think the First Amendment, you know, and

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01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 1: these things like scripture versus and hands, they're much much

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01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,759
Speaker 1: more valuable and worthy of a child's mind and attention,

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01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 1: you know, than ridiculous activist board books about ridiculous political causes. Right,

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01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: for me, politics is a lot as secondary to these

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01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: deeper and transcendent things. And you know, but but again,

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01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 1: typically the people on the righteous we don't think. And again,

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01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 1: like I said, I've been guilty of this as a

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01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: parent myself, haven't thought about the fact that that explicitly

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01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: that it's not going to happen by osmosis. The kids

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01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,560
Speaker 1: need to be actively enculturated. They need to be actively

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01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 1: taught what is good and what is wrong, and it

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01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: has to be completely saturating their entire life. And we

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01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: can't just assume that someone else is going to do it.

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01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 1: We have to do it ourselves, and we have to

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01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: make sure that it is happening. And as the fact

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01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 1: that we haven't done that is the reason. You know

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01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:50,520
Speaker 1: that kids' minds are so empty and available for propaganda today.

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Speaker 1: And you've written extensively about education policy in context of

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Speaker 1: common core and beyond. Practically, what would be sort of

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Speaker 1: your three point plan for restoring a love of country

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01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: and a knowledge of our core institutions and our real

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01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:10,759
Speaker 1: actual history. I mean, I think, first of all, eliminate

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Speaker 1: the US Department of Education. You know, the federal government

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01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 1: takes ten cents on the dollar of all the money

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01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: given to public schools and controls with it the other

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01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 1: ninety percent. And it is a bureaucratic institution that is

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01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 1: anti as an institution, is anti American, anti freedom, anti

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01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 1: parental choice. The more we can do to cut down

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01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: its power, its influence, in its reach. The better you know,

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Speaker 1: states will be able to be set free to be

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01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: more responsive to parents and localities. And the second thing

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Speaker 1: at the state level is, you know, state Republicans have

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01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: got to get to get the parents really need to

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01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: have real school choice there. They need to be able

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01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: to be completely in control of the money that is

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01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: spent on behalf of their kids and needs to not

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01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,560
Speaker 1: be able to, you know, to be accessed and controlled

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01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: by special interests who obviously don't have America's best interest

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Speaker 1: at heart. So those, you know, those are the very

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Speaker 1: first two things. Those are political things. But I think

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Speaker 1: the third thing is, you know, parents, conservative donors, people

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Speaker 1: who vote in Republican primaries. We need to start prioritizing

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Speaker 1: education as an a crucial thing for the future of

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Speaker 1: our country. You know, the party doesn't matter so much

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Speaker 1: to me. It only matters in terms of you know,

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Speaker 1: it helps that the country is made better because I

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Speaker 1: believe an idea is stronger and our ideas are not

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Speaker 1: going to be as easily sown and among a rocky

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Speaker 1: ground of minds that have been taught to hate America,

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Speaker 1: to think that it's an inherently sexist and racist and

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Speaker 1: don't know a dang thing about the Constitution or the

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Speaker 1: founders or all the things that they went through that

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Speaker 1: do make our country great. So the people people on

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Speaker 1: the right need to stop treating education like you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's not a priority, that it's just a side

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Speaker 1: issue or it's a local issue. They need to be

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Speaker 1: tackling this head on and being extremely serious about not

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Speaker 1: sending taxpayer funds and American children to tuitions that are

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Speaker 1: controlled by leftists. Last question, and one need not be

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Speaker 1: conspiratorial to sort of follow this line of thinking. It's

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Speaker 1: very clear that there has been a dumbing down in

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Speaker 1: our education system combined with indoctrination. You also have the

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Speaker 1: heavy subsidization of higher education through the federal government, and

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Speaker 1: then you have, as a consequence, all of these people

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Speaker 1: with massive student debt. They sort of start their careers

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Speaker 1: behind many of them and obviously this can be cliched,

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Speaker 1: but study things in college that do not lead them

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Speaker 1: to be productive in the private sector, and so then

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Speaker 1: you have them economically hobbled and ultimately dependent on government.

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Speaker 1: Do you see the linkage between those points? Oh? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, if I were a conspiracy theorist, which I

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Speaker 1: try to interpret what happens in light of the best

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Speaker 1: available explanation, the most positive one. But if I were

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Speaker 1: or a theorist, I would say that was deliberately done,

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Speaker 1: you know, because people who I mean, I mean and

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Speaker 1: the American founders talked about this explicitly, and they put

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Speaker 1: it into our founding dot documents such as the Northwest Ordinance.

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Speaker 1: They said that our system of government cannot continue to

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Speaker 1: endure it with an ignorant people. If you are stupid

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Speaker 1: and you're dependent, you cannot run your own life. So

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Speaker 1: we need to have, you know, an economy and education,

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Speaker 1: system of culture that focuses on self reliance. And so

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Speaker 1: that requires a certain way of being, certain habits of behavior,

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Speaker 1: and frankly, you know, government not preying upon people and

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Speaker 1: locking them into that scenario you you describe that makes

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Speaker 1: them automatically dependent, you know, when they are just starting

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Speaker 1: out in their life. We've been speaking with the Joy Pullman.

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Speaker 1: She wrote a great piece of The Federalist recently titled

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Speaker 1: Dear Joe Scarborough, More Americans hate America than you think. Joy,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on the program. Well, thank you,

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Speaker 1: And this has Ben Weinardon in for Buck Sex and

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Speaker 1: on the Buck Sex and show back after this You're

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Speaker 1: in the Freedom Hunt. This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben

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Speaker 1: Weingarten in for Buck Sexton. We just talked at Wayne

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Speaker 1: with my federalist colleague Joy Pullman about the perversion, the

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Speaker 1: corruption of our education system and the knock on effects

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Speaker 1: of that. Really not focused on enough in terms of

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Speaker 1: what are the actual what are our biggest weaknesses as

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Speaker 1: a country faced with all manner of foreign adversaries, any

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Speaker 1: number of challenges that every country has to deal with.

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Speaker 1: But at core, the people are the strength of the country,

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Speaker 1: and America remains by far the strongest world power. We

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Speaker 1: have intellectual capital, we have the technology, we have the firepower,

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Speaker 1: but do we have the will? And the way you

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Speaker 1: break the will if you believe that America's strengths are

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Speaker 1: actually its weaknesses or they ought to be turned into weaknesses,

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Speaker 1: is you start with indoctrinating generations of people in an

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Speaker 1: anti American ideology, and that is at core one of

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Speaker 1: the major major parts of American ingrate. Ilhan Omar and

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Speaker 1: the progressive islam As takeover of the Democratic Party. She

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Speaker 1: is a consequence of it. A person like Ilhan Omar

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Speaker 1: could never get elected in another era of America. Couldn't happen.

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Speaker 1: And yet, as I noted, and I write at length

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Speaker 1: in the book, and I've explained this in interviews elsewhere,

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Speaker 1: and we talked about her a bit here, she could

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Speaker 1: have just as easily gotten these ideas here in the

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Speaker 1: America's heartland as in Mogadishu, sam in Minneapolis as Mogadishu.

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Speaker 1: That is a remarkable commentary on the state of where

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Speaker 1: America is now. Of course, that's not even getting into

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Speaker 1: the consequences of our academic system that has led to

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Speaker 1: a situation where they're oponents of open borders, and where

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Speaker 1: we would have allowed this massive influx of Somali immigrants

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Speaker 1: harboring the kind of ideas that elan Omar does in

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Speaker 1: the first place, from a country, by the way, that,

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Speaker 1: as I noted, was a Marxist Islamist dictatorship and today,

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Speaker 1: and as it's been for the last decade, ranked consistently

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Speaker 1: as the most corrupt country in the world. And oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, in terms of the refugees who were

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Speaker 1: settled here, rates based on some studies of upwards of

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Speaker 1: eighty percent fraud in terms of immigrants coming here who

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Speaker 1: started in Somalia. And we see these knock on effects

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Speaker 1: of the dominance of progressivism not just in the academy,

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Speaker 1: but then ultimately in all of our institutions, even in

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Speaker 1: the business world. And we talked at length in a

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Speaker 1: prior episode about Woke Capital and how Blackrock, the world's

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Speaker 1: largest asset manager, was starting to infuse not just the

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Speaker 1: rhetoric of the company, but even it's investing positions or

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Speaker 1: the positions that lets clients invest in through black Rock

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Speaker 1: be impacted by a progressive worldview, in particular on the

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Speaker 1: matter of climate change, but even beyond that, because basically

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Speaker 1: there's been a massive shift in the corporate world, among

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Speaker 1: especially the elites that run the largest companies in the world,

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Speaker 1: towards a different view as to what the purpose of

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Speaker 1: a company is now among these people who naturally many

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Speaker 1: of these executives came out of our elite schools dominated

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Speaker 1: by progressivism, indoctrinated in that milieu, operating in the same

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Speaker 1: world at the cocktail parties the attend, and where they

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Speaker 1: send their kids to school with other parents who have

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Speaker 1: the same worldview. These companies now believe that they have

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Speaker 1: a job of activism. It's not just a turn of profit.

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Speaker 1: It's not just to reward their shareholders and their other stakeholders.

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Speaker 1: It is to be political. Actors use their corporate power

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Speaker 1: to impose upon us their views. Sometimes it's explicit, sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit more implicit, and they express it

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Speaker 1: in ways like we will not allow you to through

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Speaker 1: our vehicle invest in, say coal producing coal sector companies,

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Speaker 1: non clean energies, we won't touch them for the way.

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Speaker 1: This example of this another financial institution, and this was

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Speaker 1: reported by Daniel Horowitz at Conservative Review. Recently, he writes

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Speaker 1: an article JP Morgan Chase joins the war on America's

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Speaker 1: energy and he starts JP Morgan Chase has decided that

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Speaker 1: it's better for the company to join the progressive environmental

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Speaker 1: gods than to continue supporting the great American energy miracle

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Speaker 1: that has brought so much prosperity, stability, and job creation

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Speaker 1: to this country. Has the left finally won the war

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Speaker 1: for the heart and soul of corporate America. During the

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Speaker 1: company's annual investor Day on Tuesday of this week, the

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Speaker 1: Giant Bank announced it would no longer be financing loans

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Speaker 1: for oil and gas drilling in the Arctic, and would

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Speaker 1: divest from its financing coal plants or mines. It also

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Speaker 1: announced it would be divesting from any company that gets

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Speaker 1: the majority of its revenue from coal by twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: When the left camp went at the ballot box or

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Speaker 1: in a democratic debate in legislators, it seeks recourse through

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Speaker 1: the courts or even better, the culture and markets. In

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Speaker 1: this case, groups like Rainforest Action Network bullied the bank

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Speaker 1: into submission publishing reports showing JP Morgan Chase to be

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Speaker 1: the single biggest lender to the oil and gas industry. Now,

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Speaker 1: of course companies are most concerned with they're not most

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Speaker 1: concerned with, but a chief concern is their reputation. You're

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Speaker 1: only as good as your reputation, and they hate being

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Speaker 1: attacked by activist groups and will do anything to essentially

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Speaker 1: pay for protection, and that may be literally paying for

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Speaker 1: protection in the way of investing in things that these

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Speaker 1: activists demand of them. Are conversely not investing in things

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Speaker 1: that activists demanded them. So this article goes on. At

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Speaker 1: Tuesday's announcement, JP Morgan committed to investing in two hundred

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Speaker 1: billion dollars, say, paying for protection in two hundred billion

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Speaker 1: dollars worth of projects and support of the United Nations

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Speaker 1: sustainable development goals. That is, the company's credential in the

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Speaker 1: elite world that will make its profits kosher. Sort of

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Speaker 1: an extortion that the progressives make companies pays the cost

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Speaker 1: of doing business in a political system they control. However,

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Speaker 1: it is never enough for the leftist anarchists who are

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Speaker 1: now demanding the Bank also pull out of financing drilling

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Speaker 1: in the lower forty eight states as well. And then

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Speaker 1: Horowitz goes on to note that it's truly hard to

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Speaker 1: overstate the economic miracle that oil and gas drilling as

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Speaker 1: ushered into our job market. We have now become the

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Speaker 1: global superpower of oil and gas production and exports, by

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Speaker 1: the way, against all of these progressives, in the face

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Speaker 1: of them, in spite of Obama's own anti energy agenda,

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Speaker 1: because fracking, thank god, proliferated during that time, to the

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Speaker 1: point that even the conflict with I ran in January

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Speaker 1: did not cause a spike in energy prices at all.

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Speaker 1: These woke corporate executives are willing to destroy essential parts

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Speaker 1: of our economy if it comes to it to try

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Speaker 1: to appease an unappeasable progressive mass. And now, as I've

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Speaker 1: argued in the past, there are likely government incentives that

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Speaker 1: make it such that it is profitable for them to

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Speaker 1: do this. But ultimately, we, the American people, suffer if

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Speaker 1: we're going to destroy the energy sector because financial institutions

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Speaker 1: won't channel money into these very productive areas that, by

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Speaker 1: the way, don't just help create jobs for Americans, create

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Speaker 1: wealth for Americans, but also make it such that we

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Speaker 1: don't need to be reliant upon, in some cases, our

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Speaker 1: worst adversaries. So if there is some sort of crisis

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Speaker 1: in the Middle East, it doesn't tank our economy. Woke

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Speaker 1: capital is incredibly detrimental to America. And what is even

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Speaker 1: scarier is a report that recently claim came out from

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Speaker 1: Real Clear Politics. They did a poll of about twenty

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Speaker 1: five hundred registered voters and they ask them this question,

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Speaker 1: which of the following comes closer to your view? The

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Speaker 1: purpose of a corporation is to maximize financial returns for shareholders,

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Speaker 1: but also to over value to customers, invest in employees,

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Speaker 1: deal ethnically with suppliers, and support the communities where they work.

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Speaker 1: Here's another response. Potentially single purpose of a corporation is

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Speaker 1: to maximize financial returns for shareholders, and then the other

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Speaker 1: answers don't know. Seventy seven percent of respondents responded with

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Speaker 1: that first answer, that a corporation as all of these

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Speaker 1: other required goals besides producing a good or service that

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Speaker 1: people want to buy such that they are profitable. Do

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Speaker 1: we want businesses operating on the basis of politics? And

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Speaker 1: is there any way that doesn't end up corrupted ultimately

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Speaker 1: when you have progressives in power, businesses taking progressive positions,

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Speaker 1: and of course private public so caught partnerships between them.

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Speaker 1: And what does it mean when you have companies that

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Speaker 1: are basically going to shut out or piss off fifty

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Speaker 1: percent of the country on any given issue. Is that

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Speaker 1: where we want to be? Is that where we want

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Speaker 1: to be in our civil society? Or do we want

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Speaker 1: to be a live in wet lives society where people

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Speaker 1: have freedom to choose where they go and companies aren't

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Speaker 1: constantly imposing their own ideologies on their customers. This has

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Speaker 1: been one gern in for Buck Sexon on the Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show, Fight against will Capital all you can We're

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Speaker 1: back right after this. Thanks for listening to the bus

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Speaker 1: Sex and show podcasts. Remember to subscribe on Apple podcast,

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Speaker 1: the iHeart Radio app, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben

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Speaker 1: Weingarten in for Buck Sexton, and we have had plenty

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Speaker 1: of gloom and doom in today's episode. Talked to edwyanth

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Speaker 1: about Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, and I believe that a person

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Speaker 1: who is the perfect corrective or foil talan Omar in

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Speaker 1: many respects is the Supreme Court justice that I most admire.

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Speaker 1: I think a generational Supreme Court justice, and that's Justice

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Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas. And I am so pleased to be joined

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Speaker 1: today by someone who I think agrees, Michael Pack. He's

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Speaker 1: the president of Manifold Productions and independent film and television

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Speaker 1: production company and the producer of the new documentary Exceptional

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Speaker 1: Documentary Created Equal Clarence Thomas in his own words, which

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Speaker 1: you can find out all about at Justice thomasmovie dot com.

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Speaker 1: Mister Pack, thanks so much for joining us, and thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me on the show. Ben. So let's

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Speaker 1: jump right in. Justice Thomas, as I noted, is in

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Speaker 1: my view, the greatest jurist of this generation and one

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01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 1: of the ways the Left likes to savage him is

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01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: to harp on the fact that he doesn't typically ask

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01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 1: questions of those presenting arguments at the Supreme Court. So

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Speaker 1: I think your documentary created equal Clarence Thomas in his

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Speaker 1: own words is an interesting response to that? Was that intentional? Well,

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01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 1: that's right, they say, because he doesn't speak in an argument,

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Speaker 1: that he's not acting the court, he's not smart, he's

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Speaker 1: not articulate, But quite the opposite is true. I mean,

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01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: he's very acting the court and has been since the beginning.

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01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 1: Especially he's written over six hundred opinions, thirty percent more

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Speaker 1: than any other Supreme Court justice, including Justice Ginsburg. So

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01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 1: he's very active, and he's a great storyteller. And so

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Speaker 1: in fact, we fashioned the documentary so that he can

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01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 1: look right at the audience and tell them what is

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01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 1: very dramatic, eventful, and I think inspiring life is like

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01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 1: without filters, really, And I think that's another way that

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01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 1: he's minimized by the Left in his enemies is downplaying

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01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:46,639
Speaker 1: the drama of his story. And our film tries to

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Speaker 1: do that correct that. And you documented with vivid imagery

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Speaker 1: and as you noted, storytelling without giving away too much

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Speaker 1: of the plot. Our listeners may well know that Justice

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01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 1: Thomas grew up poor in many ways, filled with anger,

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01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 1: but also imbued with many of the traits bestowed upon

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Speaker 1: him or inculcated in him by his grandfather, traits that

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01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:12,640
Speaker 1: we'd probably today ascribe to conservatism, even though back then

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Speaker 1: they were just traditional. It seems like ultimately those character

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Speaker 1: traits sort of sort of shine through and were reflected

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Speaker 1: in Justice Thomas's politics. But before he got to the

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Speaker 1: Justice that we see today, he was sort of a

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Speaker 1: leftist radical. What changed him, Well, that's right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's important to go back to the part, the earlier

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Speaker 1: part of the story that you alluded to to understand

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Speaker 1: what changed him. As you say, he grew up first

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Speaker 1: in dire poverty. He was born in Pinpoint, a gull

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Speaker 1: Of speaking area outside of Savannah, and his father left

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Speaker 1: before he could remember. So his mother, though, brought him

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Speaker 1: and his brother when he was about six to Savannah,

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Speaker 1: and he had there experienced dire poverty in the jim

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Speaker 1: Crow South, something it's hard pressed almost imagine today. Didn't

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Speaker 1: have enough to eat cold in the winter, and after

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Speaker 1: a couple of years of this, his mother, realizing she

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Speaker 1: couldn't take care of her two boys, brought them to

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Speaker 1: her father, his grandfather, to raise, and as you said,

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Speaker 1: that was where he got his values. His grandfather believed

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Speaker 1: in hard work, working from son to son, no excuses,

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Speaker 1: and he had converted to Catholicism and sent Justice Thomas

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Speaker 1: and his brother to Catholic schools then segregated by run

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Speaker 1: by Irish nuns who loved the boys and gave them

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Speaker 1: a good education and solid values. And then he did

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Speaker 1: reject that for it well, rather before he did. He

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Speaker 1: succeeded in that environment and decided he wanted to become

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Speaker 1: a priest and went to the seminary and other seminaries,

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Speaker 1: unlike his earlier schooling, had been all white and were

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Speaker 1: just desegregating. And it was there that he first experienced

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Speaker 1: racism really and it reached a peak for him in

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight when he was watching TV the day

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Speaker 1: that Martin Luther King Jr. Was shot, and one of

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Speaker 1: the white seminary and said, I hope that son of

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Speaker 1: a bitch dies, and that shocking comment capped off just

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Speaker 1: as Thomas is feeling that the church wasn't doing enough

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Speaker 1: for civil rights, and then he just slipped. He became

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Speaker 1: an angry black man. He decided to want to be

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Speaker 1: a priest. He told his grandfather, who kicked him out

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Speaker 1: of the house, and that's what began his radical period.

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Speaker 1: And he had to go wherever he could, and he

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Speaker 1: had a full scholarship at holy Cross and his radicalism

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Speaker 1: continued there. He upstart the Black Student Union. They invited

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Speaker 1: black panthers to speak. He supported, as he says, anyone

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Speaker 1: who was in your face, from Stokely Carmichael to Malcolm X.

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Speaker 1: And it was only by sort of hitting a kind

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Speaker 1: of bottom that he started to come back to get

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Speaker 1: back to your question. Then he participated in an anti

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Speaker 1: war rally in a nearby Cambridge that became a near riot,

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Speaker 1: and he felt himself getting swept up in the madness

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Speaker 1: of the crowd, the hysteria of the crowd out, and

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Speaker 1: he was scared by what he had become. And when

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Speaker 1: he returned to holy Cross well after midnight, he went

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Speaker 1: in front of the chapel then closed, and he had

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01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:10,600
Speaker 1: never had prayed in a long time, and then he

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Speaker 1: prayed and asked God, if you will take anger out

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Speaker 1: of my heart, I will never hate again. And that

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Speaker 1: was his beginning of his coming back to his spiritual

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Speaker 1: values and what he thought of as the political views

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01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 1: as well of his grandfather. That as you say, we

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Speaker 1: may think of today's as conservative, but we're really fundamental

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Speaker 1: kind of common sense values of both his grandfather and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people in that period. But he did

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01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 1: have a series of experiences both through college and law

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01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 1: school and later that made that were the milestones and

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01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:55,839
Speaker 1: his political journey back. And he finally the first Republican

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Speaker 1: he voted for was Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty in

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Speaker 1: and then went to work in the Reagan ad ministry. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's probably worth noting that the fact that he turned

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Speaker 1: on his fellow radicals, it's probably one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: he's most reviled today by the predominant American left. What

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Speaker 1: did you discover in making this documentary about Justice Clarence

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Speaker 1: Thomas that you never knew about him, or that our

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01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 1: audience might not know about him. I didn't know that

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01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 1: much before I began, But I think the thing that

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Speaker 1: stands out to me most is his resilience through his life,

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Speaker 1: surviving and overcoming many obstacles, including one that happened later

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Speaker 1: in the story than we said so far. You know,

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Speaker 1: the attacks on him the Benita Hill part of his

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01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 1: confirmation battle, but also the growing up in the difficult

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Speaker 1: way he did. He had great resilience and he refused

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Speaker 1: to define himself as a victim. I mean, that's what

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01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:57,000
Speaker 1: stands out to me most. He could. He has a

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01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 1: very good basis to call himself a victim. He grew

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Speaker 1: and poverty, he had a single raised by a single

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Speaker 1: mother in the jim Coosouth, subject to wheel racism, but

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Speaker 1: he won't define himself as a victim. And I think

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Speaker 1: that has allowed him to succeed in spite of all

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Speaker 1: those difficulties. And I think that's what makes it sorry,

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Speaker 1: inspiring and memorable. Yea, what in your view are the

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Speaker 1: one or two most pivotal lessons from Justice Clarence Thomas's

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Speaker 1: wife that you would like viewers and listeners here to

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01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 1: take away. I think that not define yourself as a

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01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 1: victim is a big one. I mean we all are

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01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 1: tempted that way. I mean, we who are conservatives always

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01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:39,559
Speaker 1: accused the left of doing it, but we can fall

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01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 1: into it too, and it's in a way a human

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01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 1: trap and one that we should avoid. True or not

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01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:48,799
Speaker 1: it's suffocating to your life. So that's one big lesson.

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Speaker 1: And the other lesson is that Justice Thomas stood up

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Speaker 1: for his principles against opposition, and I also found that inspiring.

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Speaker 1: So I appeal to you our listeners to go see

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Speaker 1: the movie. As you said in your intro. They can

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01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:09,840
Speaker 1: find out about it at Justice thomasmovie dot com, where

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Speaker 1: we list where it's playing each week. It plays in

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01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 1: different theaters. It's been in a hundred so far. But

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Speaker 1: if it's not in a theater near your listeners, they

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01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:21,640
Speaker 1: can sign up on the website. If there's a big

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01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 1: enough group, we can make a screening happen. So if

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01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,800
Speaker 1: the first step is to go to Justice thomasmovie dot

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01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 1: com and they can see the trailer and get it

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01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,720
Speaker 1: sense what the film is like, so they want so

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01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 1: I appealed to them to go, bring their children. I

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01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 1: think it's aspiring for young people and bring people of

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01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 1: different political views. I think even if you don't like

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01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 1: his politics, you should understand Justice Thomas whatever you're you know,

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01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:48,200
Speaker 1: if you're a liberal or if you disagree with them.

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Speaker 1: We've been speaking with Michael Packy's the producer of the

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Speaker 1: Exceptional New documentary created equal Clarence Thomas in his own words, Michael,

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01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 1: before you have to run out on us, want to

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01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 1: ask one last political question, and that concerns the Broadcasting

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01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 1: Board of Governors, which is a very significant part of

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01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 1: the feral government, and that it's engaged essentially in putting

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Speaker 1: forth the American message and combating propaganda of our adversaries.

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Speaker 1: And it's been reported that you've been tabbed to be

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Speaker 1: the CEO of the Broadcasting Board of Governors. Could you

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01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:23,639
Speaker 1: provide us just a bit of a status update on

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01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 1: where your nomination is right now? Okay, well, really that's

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01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 1: a whole other subject subject, a good topic for another broadcast.

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01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 1: But I have been since it's a new year. I've

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Speaker 1: been renominated by the President, and I had already had

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01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:40,680
Speaker 1: my hearings for the Senate for a relations committee, but

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01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 1: they're set to vote, so after they committee votes and

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01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 1: then it goes to the full Senate, and it's been

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01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 1: a slow process, but who knows, the end could be

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01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:53,879
Speaker 1: in sight. I think it is a very important position,

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Speaker 1: and I'm honored that the President wants me to serve

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Speaker 1: in it. We'll look forward to continuing conversation another time,

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01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 1: but as for today, again the name of the documentary

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Speaker 1: has created equal Clarence Thomas in his own words. You

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01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 1: can find more at Justice Thomas Movie dot com. Michael Pack,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us today. Thank you, Bet.

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Speaker 1: And this has Ben one Garden in for Buck sex

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01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:16,519
Speaker 1: And on the buck Sexton Show. We'll be back just

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Speaker 1: after this. You're in the Freedom Hud. This is the

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Speaker 1: buck Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show.

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01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:32,559
Speaker 1: This is Ben Winegarden in for Buck Sexton. And we'll

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Speaker 1: try to put a tidy bow on what we've discussed

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Speaker 1: during the program today. And we started talking about coronavirus,

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Speaker 1: what it means for China, what it means for the US,

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01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 1: and we talked a bit about American ingred at ilhan

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01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:50,519
Speaker 1: Omar and the progressive Islamist takeover of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: My new book that I urge you to pick up,

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01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 1: as I said before, at least three copies, one for you,

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Speaker 1: one for your children, and one to anger a Bernie

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Speaker 1: Brow or more seriously, to any of your still rational

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01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 1: Democratic friends to understand what is coming if a party

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Speaker 1: representing fifty percent of the country is dominated by anti American,

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01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:15,680
Speaker 1: blame America firsters in general, and in particular someone as

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Speaker 1: dangerous as ilhan Omar, And as I've argued, a vote

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Speaker 1: for Bernie Sanders is a vote for ilhan Omar and

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Speaker 1: everything that she embraces ideologically, as well as the actual

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Speaker 1: national security threat posed by her own collusion with the

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Speaker 1: swamist adversaries, both foreign and domestic terror tied groups and

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Speaker 1: individuals sitting on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. And that

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Speaker 1: is actually the perfect representation of the ticking time bomb

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Speaker 1: that is this ascendant progressive wing of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: And the Democratic establishment gets the danger here because they

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Speaker 1: understand that perhaps for the majority of Democrats out there,

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01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:56,680
Speaker 1: the average Democrat voter, and the average Democrat voter, by

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01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:59,840
Speaker 1: the way, tends to be much older than the woke

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01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:02,880
Speaker 1: progressives who might be the loudest today and who are

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01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:05,559
Speaker 1: clearly playing a substantial role in these primaries. But they

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01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:09,960
Speaker 1: understand that the average Democrat voter is more in the mold,

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01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 1: at least relatively of a JFK sort of Democrat, a

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01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:21,439
Speaker 1: Pat moynihan sort of Democrat, than these Democrats than the squad.

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01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:29,400
Speaker 1: But all the energy in the party resides with its activist, progressive,

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01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 1: radical anti American wing and so you see that we've

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01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:37,920
Speaker 1: ended up in a situation where a party that hates

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01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 1: wealth attacks the wealthy, is behind me too and other

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01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 1: such movements, the establishments putting all their eggs or some

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01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 1: of their eggs at least in the Mike Bloomberg basket,

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01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:52,719
Speaker 1: for example, even though I think he's a terrible candidate

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Speaker 1: in terms of having no appeal whatsoever substantive or stylistic,

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01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:00,719
Speaker 1: well in general, but then also to the key swing

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01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 1: states that are at play here, and they're going to

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01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:06,759
Speaker 1: let this billionaire come in and as he said before,

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Speaker 1: buy how seats he essentially let slip in that last debate,

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01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 1: buy a nomination, steal it from a true believer, or

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Speaker 1: at the very least help the party with his mass

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01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:23,400
Speaker 1: of resources, and keep afloat some of these other figures

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01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:28,040
Speaker 1: directly or indirectly himself, so that the nomination can be

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Speaker 1: stolen from Bernie Sanders. And I'm of two minds on this.

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Speaker 1: On the one hand, I think Bernie Sanders is maybe

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01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 1: their most compelling candidate. And for those who think that

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01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:39,679
Speaker 1: it's going to be a cakewalk if it's Trump versus Sanders,

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01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:42,559
Speaker 1: I would urge some caution there not because on a

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01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:45,839
Speaker 1: substantive basis, he should beat Donald Trump in any stretch,

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01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 1: in any form, it would be cataquismic, absolutely cataquismic to

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Speaker 1: the country. But Bernie Sanders is sort of the opposite

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01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 1: side of the populous coin. And I've argued the very

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01:43:57,439 --> 01:44:03,360
Speaker 1: simplistic case for Bernie's strength is this, he appears to

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01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:06,479
Speaker 1: be genuine. He's been consistent on nearly every issue for

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01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:13,000
Speaker 1: four decades. He's the real deal when it comes to

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01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:17,680
Speaker 1: his ideology. He takes positions that would be perceived as

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01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:20,760
Speaker 1: politically suicido, but which resonate with a core on the

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01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 1: Democratic side. And when you hear people go out there

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01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 1: and attack him, like James Carville, they're not saying I

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01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:29,640
Speaker 1: disagree with his ideas. They're saying I think he's politically

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01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:33,799
Speaker 1: toxic potentially. But they all are ideologically in his direction,

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01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 1: oriented in his direction. But Bernie is a candidate with

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01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 1: a message, and he is the right messenger, just as

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01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:49,480
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was. Content free candidates who try to pander

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01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 1: and push to try to win over in the Democrats case,

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01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:59,640
Speaker 1: the woke anti American progressives, they're showing themselves to be

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01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 1: not the real deal. They're not genuine Bernie is the original,

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01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 1: genuine article, and a candidate with a message be it's

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01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:09,320
Speaker 1: a candidate with no message anytime. And that's why I

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01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:11,799
Speaker 1: think he has a real chance still in their fields,

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01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 1: even though if he only gets a porality not a majority.

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01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:18,000
Speaker 1: The party that talks about democracy dying in darkness is

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01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:20,200
Speaker 1: willing to take away of the nomination from the person

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01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:22,000
Speaker 1: who gets the most votes. That is what they all

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01:45:22,040 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 1: basically agreed to when every candidate who was asked the question.

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01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 1: But Bernie said, if you have a porality, that's not

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01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:32,479
Speaker 1: enough to win our nomination, which means that they're asking

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01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:36,759
Speaker 1: for a broker convention. And a brokered convention, I believe

1758
01:45:37,160 --> 01:45:40,360
Speaker 1: where it's taken away from Bernie would lead to nineteen

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01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 1: sixty eight catastrophe for Democrats. Literal riots, chaos, violence, tearing

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01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:51,920
Speaker 1: their party apart. Except the cops will stand down because

1761
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 1: the Democrats do not believe in there being any policing today.

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01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 1: It will be an embarrassment for them, it will be

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01:45:57,320 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 1: a disaster for the country. But ultimately, I think what

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01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:03,000
Speaker 1: you're seeing is that there is a real civil war

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01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:05,400
Speaker 1: for the heart of it, and my book American ingrate

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01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 1: Ilhan Omar and the Progressive Islamas Takeover of the Democratic

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01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,760
Speaker 1: Party argues that even if the Bernie wing doesn't win

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01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: today or tomorrow, it is destined to win the way

1769
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:18,879
Speaker 1: things are going, and they are empirical and anecdotal reasons

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01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:21,559
Speaker 1: for it. But what really matters is that it means

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01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 1: the end of a pro American fifty percent of the

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01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:28,280
Speaker 1: country representing party, and that's a disaster for the country

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01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 1: as a whole. This has been Ben Weingarten in for

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01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 1: Buck Sexon on the Buck Sexton Show. I want to

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01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 1: thank Buck for the opportunity to fill in for him,

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Speaker 1: and I want to thank you for listening and again

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01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:39,800
Speaker 1: urge you to pick up my new book, American Ingrate.

1778
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 1: Ilhan Omar and the Progressive Islamas Takeover of the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party have a great weekend, and thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us.