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Speaker 1: Welcome back. It is Wednesday, Joe Klatt less than five minutes.

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Speaker 1: It's The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may

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Speaker 1: be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady stopping by to so tomorrow. You know, it

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Speaker 1: was really funny listening So in Chicago. I said this

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Speaker 1: all summer when I would listen to radio, it was Cubs,

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Speaker 1: Tom Ricketts, Cubs, a well run organization in the city,

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Speaker 1: and it was Bear's talk. And obviously Caleb played a

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Speaker 1: pretty good first half and not a very good second

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Speaker 1: half and they lost at home to Minnesota. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Minnesota was favored. Minnesota's got a proven coach, Minnesota has

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Speaker 1: a better defense, Minnesota has a better organization. Minnesota, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, has a better front office. Minnesota was favored.

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Speaker 1: It was my sixth favorite bet of the week was Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: In my blazing five win three and two. The game

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Speaker 1: I went down to the last second with the staff

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Speaker 1: was Minnesota. I like Minnesota, and I didn't know what

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy would look look like. But I just think organizationally,

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Speaker 1: Minnesota has been good for a long time. They're like

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Speaker 1: run forever by the Hunt family, and Minnesota has been

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Speaker 1: pretty well run forever. It's just the Packers have probably

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Speaker 1: so they get more credit and they're a bigger iconic

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Speaker 1: brand in America. But you know, it's it's interesting. There

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear it, but I read about it was funny.

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Speaker 1: He said, you know what we need his new media

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Speaker 1: because you guys keep hyping up quarterbacks and you guys

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Speaker 1: kept in the media keep disappointing me. Well, let me

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Speaker 1: give you a heads up on that. NFL general managers

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Speaker 1: who make seven figures hit on first round quarterbacks at

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Speaker 1: about a fifty percent clip and they're paid to do it.

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Speaker 1: Why it's hard. So much of quarterback success is tied

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Speaker 1: not a small note that Josh Allen was drafted by

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Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, JJ McCarthy was the fifth

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Speaker 1: the Stable Packers, who had Brett Farr. Dan Marino drops

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Speaker 1: to the winningest coach ever, Don Shula. This is not

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Speaker 1: a coincidence that so many number one picks have failed

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Speaker 1: because they go to lousy gms and lowsy owners and

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Speaker 1: cheap organizations. So people are freaking out about Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: You think it's an advantage for Mahomes to go to

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Speaker 1: He even got to the playoffs. I won a playoff game

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Speaker 1: in Cleveland. But it's it's not you know, parenting's not fair,

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Speaker 1: have said before the season started, I said, Caleb will

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Speaker 1: But I think Ben Johnson will make Caleb the best

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Speaker 1: Joel Klatt now joining US Live, you know, I will

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Speaker 1: say the criticism Joel of Caleb at USC from the

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Speaker 1: But Colin, the more concerning part is that when he

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Speaker 1: That has to improve. Now, I do think it's unfair

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter what the competition is, right, it could be

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Speaker 1: like Philly Howie Roseman. But in college, the coach recruits

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Speaker 1: Michigan doesn't quite feel the same Joel to me, you

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Speaker 1: Now, what Michigan did do well is they added extra

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Speaker 1: the teams that haven't won a national championship and you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't consider to be historical blue bloods, they're clearly the

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Speaker 1: next team. They're clearly the next team in line to

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Speaker 1: Alabama Ohio State, and current momentum matters too, Alabama Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: They're in an argument for third because class should be Georgia,

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Speaker 1: maybe you know, Clemson, kind of maybe Michigan with their

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Speaker 1: national championship, and then Oregon is right in there. But

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Speaker 1: Clemson didn't have the nil or the current trajectory, and

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Speaker 1: so I mean I would put Oregon ahead of Clemson

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Speaker 1: simply because of Phil Knight, the trajectory, the recruiting prowess.

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Speaker 1: Oregon recruits better than Clemson on those rival ratings every year.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, it's amazing when you look at the

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Speaker 1: top five programs Oregon has to be in that they're

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Speaker 1: in that. Absolutely, I think that they're really good. They

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Speaker 1: are better than what they have been. They were the

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Speaker 1: number one team in the country and undefeated at beaten

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, beaten Penn State last year, and they ran

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Speaker 1: into Jeremiah Smith and the Death Star Supernova in the

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Speaker 1: Rose Bowl, right, I mean, like that's a bad break

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Speaker 1: for them. This is a better version. I'm just telling you,

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Speaker 1: they're really good. Joe Klagg can't seen anybody. You as

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Speaker 1: well have a great day, dude. By the way, Micah

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady stopping by tomorrow. In our first hour, Mark Sanchez,

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Speaker 1: who does such a good job. He's going to be

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Speaker 1: showing up last hour today in our third hour, here's

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Speaker 1: Jay him back with the news.

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Speaker 7: This is the Herdline news, all right, Collin, big revenge

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Speaker 7: game Ben Johnson against Detroit, very familiar foes. Ben Johnson

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Speaker 7: obviously left Detroit to go to coach at Chicago and

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Speaker 7: the Bears travel to the Lions.

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Speaker 3: Colin, I have two bets of the account. This is

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Speaker 3: one of them. I love this game.

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Speaker 7: Dan Campbell talking about how it's a must win since

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Speaker 7: both teams lost their opener.

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Speaker 5: Ben's my friend. He's always going to be my friend,

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Speaker 5: you know. But but nothing about that's going to change.

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Speaker 5: You know, we're going in getting ready to play Chicago.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna win this game, you know, we have to.

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Speaker 5: We got to find a way to clean things up

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Speaker 5: and do what we gotta do. And they're going to

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Speaker 5: try to do the same thing.

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Speaker 1: So you like Detroit a lot in this game, despite

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Speaker 1: the coordinator snaffoos.

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Speaker 7: Yes, there's some stuff. We'll get into it later in

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Speaker 7: the week. I don't want to give away all my picks.

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Speaker 7: I am just curious, like you, start looking at the

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Speaker 7: I saw a stat here the Minnesota Vikings had the

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Speaker 7: most pressures in the NFL in Week one, they had thirty.

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Speaker 7: So Flora's in the second half was like, we're dialing

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Speaker 7: up the blitz. Caleb Ain reading anything? You don't think

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Speaker 7: Detroit's well aware that Chicago on a short week is

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Speaker 7: not going to have a lot of time to adjust.

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Speaker 7: And did you see the Chicago secondary got cooked by

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Speaker 7: McCarthy and they were already down some guys injuries ravaging

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Speaker 7: that group. Detroit better wide receiver unit, a lot scarier

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Speaker 7: with golf. I think the Lions might open a can

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Speaker 7: on them this weekend, all right, no agreement.

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Speaker 1: I think those division games are always pretty I don't

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Speaker 1: think Detroit can open up a can right now on anybody.

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Speaker 1: I think they've got issues internally, so they're still rebuilding

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Speaker 1: the old line, you know, at home. Humiliated in Week one.

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Speaker 1: You know, the one rule I have is when teams

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Speaker 1: with competent quarterback play get humiliate and competent coaching, they

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Speaker 1: almost always the following week played great. Chicago did not

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Speaker 1: get humiliated. They lost. Detroit in Green Bay was humiliated.

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Speaker 1: So Detroit's the Detroit's going to win this game. I

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Speaker 1: believe I just five and a half's a lot for

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Speaker 1: division game fair?

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Speaker 7: Does that a ply to Miami and New England as well?

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Speaker 7: Or does two and not competent in your book?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the coaching is.

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Speaker 7: Oo shots fired. Boy, there's a bolted war material out here. Coaches,

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Speaker 7: Let's move on to the Houston Texans colin Big game

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Speaker 7: on Monday.

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Speaker 3: Love this one as well. I'm on it now. Yesterday

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Speaker 3: C J.

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Speaker 7: Stroud called out teammates for lollygagging and if you thought

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Speaker 7: that was maybe too harsh, his head coach Tamiko Ryans

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Speaker 7: echoed that sentiment yesterday.

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Speaker 8: It's never an entire group, that's the one thing about it.

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Speaker 8: So they're individuals that have their have their moments throughout

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Speaker 8: the week, and the lollygagging it's a term everybody want

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Speaker 8: to use.

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Speaker 2: Now, we got to get out with some urgency.

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Speaker 8: So the urgency piece from everybody has to pick up

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Speaker 8: from the offensive side of the ball. Right, the urgency

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Speaker 8: picks up and we'll be able to operate cleaner.

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Speaker 1: I actually I think this is an interesting play. You

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Speaker 1: could argue the Bucks could have easily lost. They won barely,

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Speaker 1: but I think the Texans similarly, if not by a

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Speaker 1: great play by a Ram interior linebacker Houston was going

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Speaker 1: on to win the game and take the lead. And

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Speaker 1: I think that Rams defense got it was the best

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Speaker 1: defense in the league, arguably in the last five weeks

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Speaker 1: of last year. They don't get penalized. They're young, they're athletic,

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Speaker 1: they have a pass rush. They have not missed on

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Speaker 1: defensive draft picks in several years with the Rams. I

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Speaker 1: think the Texans. I think the Rams defense is going

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Speaker 1: to make a lot of teams. Yeah, look like Houston

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Speaker 1: looked in Week one. I think they're gonna I mean

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Speaker 1: they held Jalen Hurts. The last time Jalen Hurts struggled

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Speaker 1: was against the Rams at home. He had sixty yards passing.

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Speaker 1: I think Heughston. Teams that play the Rams bet them

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Speaker 1: the next week because they're better than they look, especially

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Speaker 1: early in the season in week one, you're not a

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Speaker 1: well oiled tuned machine. I like the Texans this week.

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Speaker 7: Total agreement Colin just a quick stat I saw for

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Speaker 7: my buddy. So the Bucks last week against the Falcons

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Speaker 7: gave up one hundred and ninety one yards after the catch,

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Speaker 7: most by a mile in the league. Houston is going

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Speaker 7: to take big advantage of that. Nico Collins, the young

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Speaker 7: kid Higgins. They have some guys who can scoot on

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Speaker 7: the outside. I'm on the Texas here Monday night. And

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Speaker 7: final story Colin is Drake They and the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: It was not pretty.

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Speaker 7: They just scored one field goal after halftime in the

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Speaker 7: loss to the Raiders. Mike Vrabel went on the radio

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Speaker 7: this week and spoke about what he's looking for from

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Speaker 7: Drake May in week two.

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Speaker 8: He wants to be at times perfect, and I need

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Speaker 8: to get past that.

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Speaker 3: We all have to get past that.

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Speaker 1: You need to be precise and not perfect.

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Speaker 4: I just want the better performance, more consistent, and continue

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Speaker 4: to grow as a leader.

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Speaker 1: That's the second time, yeah, he said it in preseason.

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Speaker 1: It's the second time Vrable has said made animated that

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Speaker 1: that's kind of an issue with Drake May, that he's

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Speaker 1: playing cautiously and that tends to be an above the

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Speaker 1: shoulders issue. So you know, Drake May is kind of

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Speaker 1: trying to be a pleaser and like do it perfectly,

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Speaker 1: and it's like that's not the league. Like Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: is throwing pick sixes in Super Bowls. It's not about perfect.

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Speaker 1: You're going to struggle. I mean, Bo Nicks won a

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Speaker 1: game and was bad like that. That's part of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Can you win when you're imperfect because almost everybody is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that, but I would counter with, hey, Mike,

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Speaker 3: quick question. It was a one.

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Speaker 7: Score game the entire time against the Raiders. Why did

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Speaker 7: Drake May throw forty six passes?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 7: That's insane? Forty six pass attempts for Drake May. I

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Speaker 7: don't get it. Like establish the run game, you're a

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Speaker 7: trenches guy like it. Just there's no reason in a

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Speaker 7: one score game Drake May should be jacketed forty six times.

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Speaker 7: That is a recipe for disaster for any young quarter.

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Speaker 1: Agree. Yeah, and I think it is. I just I don't.

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Speaker 1: The one team that lost this week and didn't look

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Speaker 1: good was the Patriots, and I've said time out. They

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Speaker 1: are starting so many new people. They spent three hundred

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Speaker 1: million in free agency. So you have a new coach,

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Speaker 1: a new staff, you spent the most in free agency,

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Speaker 1: many of your rookies are playing. This thing's gonna take

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Speaker 1: three to four weeks to sort itself out. Like I

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Speaker 1: am just pumped the brakes on selling all your stuck.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Raiders had a new coach and a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But they had the same offensive line. They didn't spend

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Speaker 1: a ton in free agency. A lot of the key

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Speaker 1: Raiders Max Crosby, Rock Bowers to Goby Myers, they all

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Speaker 1: came in New England. You got to give them, just

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Speaker 1: give them September to find their footing. That's the one

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Speaker 1: team that lost in Week one and did not look

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Speaker 1: good that. I'm like, the humped the brakes. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: be a much better team.

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Speaker 7: But then if that's the case, which everybody agrees, you're right,

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Speaker 7: don't you just kiss it?

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Speaker 3: Keep it simple, right, dump boss? Nothing exotic like run

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Speaker 3: the ball like it's.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a remember a reversus.

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Speaker 3: I want something.

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Speaker 1: What was the team last year in the NFL that

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Speaker 1: replaced everything like New englanded this year?

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Speaker 3: Oh Commanders Washington, Yeah yea, and.

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Speaker 1: They got house. They lost by seventeen in Week one

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Speaker 1: because nobody plays starters in the preseason. So last year

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Speaker 1: the Commanders, new owner, new coach, new coordinators, new quarterback.

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Speaker 1: They were bad. And then all of a sudden Week two, three, four,

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Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, it's it's they're letting it bake. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying they're that good, but I'm saying when I

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Speaker 1: watched that game, I'm like, they don't even know that

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Speaker 1: New England just they got two many moving parts. Wait,

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Speaker 1: you got to give them a month to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: J Mack with the.

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Speaker 7: News, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by

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Speaker 1: Micah Parsons has a k D. Yeah, Kevin Durant field

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Speaker 1: to him and I'll talk about that next.

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Speaker 7: Tomorrow, it's a special Baseball Night in America on Fox.

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Speaker 7: Juan Soto in the Mets look to stay in the

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Speaker 7: wild Card race against Bryce Harper and the division leading Phillies,

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Speaker 7: or Bobby Witt Junior and the Royals take on the Guardians.

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Speaker 7: Check local listings for the game in your area tomorrow

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Speaker 7: at seven eastern on Fox.

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Speaker 1: We've said this, there are certain players in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: like Steph Curry, Magic Bird, a team you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: MJ you can build around. And there are other players

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Speaker 1: that are more icing on the cake Kawhi Leonard or

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, where foundationally they may not have the personality,

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Speaker 1: but if they enter a well formed cake, you know,

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Speaker 1: like the Raptors or the Warriors, they're just what the

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Speaker 1: franchise needs to me. That's Mica in Green Bay. His

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Speaker 1: sacks will now close out close games in a very

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Speaker 1: offensive division. I felt a lot of what Micah did

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Speaker 1: in Dallas was either in a blowout win over the

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Speaker 1: Giants or at the time the inept Washington Commanders, or

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Speaker 1: they were in games that were decided and Philadelphia already

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Speaker 1: led big is that he just in Dallas it was

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Speaker 1: just more icing, but not enough cake. Green Bay the

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Speaker 1: Cakes could And I've always felt this about KD. He

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Speaker 1: was good in Brooklyn, but they didn't know what they

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Speaker 1: were doing. But where he really worked was Oklahoma City

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Speaker 1: and the Warriors. Phoenix. You want him to lead, he'll

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Speaker 1: get the points, but it doesn't Phoenix doesn't have their

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Speaker 1: act together in the NBA. So I think Micah is

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Speaker 1: one of those guys. He's gonna make everybody better. Rashaun

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Speaker 1: Gary is gonna be better, Lucas van Ness is gonna

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Speaker 1: be better, and Micah talked about making teammates better and

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Speaker 1: opening up lanes.

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Speaker 9: I told him, you know the other day when they

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Speaker 9: were talking to me about the snapcounts, like, I mean,

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Speaker 9: we can run gassers, we can be in practice and

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Speaker 9: you give me these plays. We can run to the ball.

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Speaker 9: And I was like, at the end of the day, like,

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Speaker 9: you gotta let me push through some things. You gotta

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Speaker 9: let me, like, you know, get tired and get war

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Speaker 9: out out there so that way I can become better

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Speaker 9: and get better from it. And you know that's when

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Speaker 9: they're like, Okay, your reps can go up, like you

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Speaker 9: gotta really like sometimes you gotta fight for your own

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Speaker 9: right to play.

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Speaker 1: And it's almost like being a great reliever in baseball.

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Speaker 1: When a really good team that's got good starting pitching

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Speaker 1: goes and gets a great closer at the deadline, if

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Speaker 1: you trail seven to two, what's the point of the

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Speaker 1: closer or a good DH, right like when men are

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Speaker 1: on base, he's even more or valuable than a solo jack.

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Speaker 1: Like a great DH on a good team or a

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Speaker 1: great reliever on a solid pitching staff. That's what Micah provides.

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Speaker 1: And it's not that Michaeh wasn't statistically productive in Dallas,

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Speaker 1: but what did the sacks mean when they were getting

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Speaker 1: housed by Green Bay at home in the playfket what

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Speaker 1: did the sacks mean? Or when they were dominating bad

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Speaker 1: Washington and bad New York, what do they mean? But

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Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonards baskets in Toronto for that one year meant

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Speaker 1: more than all his baskets for the Clippers, right because

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Speaker 1: Toronto had a really good organization GM coach roster. They

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Speaker 1: didn't have a get a bucket, get a stop guy.

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Speaker 1: So it felt like in the playoffs, every Kawhi basket

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter just felt huge. A lot of

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Speaker 1: them are just forgettable with the Clippers because they're probably

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Speaker 1: about the fourth best team in the West. So I think, Micah,

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Speaker 1: with Green Bay, you're going to the plays will be

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Speaker 1: more memorable. They'll be in shootouts with the Vikings or

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Speaker 1: close games, you know, with a rival Minnesota or Chicago,

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Speaker 1: and he's going to close it out. And I think

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Speaker 1: there's a time and a place for great players. And

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, listen, Charles Haley won rings in San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: then won I think three in Dallas. He was great

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Speaker 1: everywhere and those were two excellent organizations. His sacks always mattered,

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Speaker 1: but it often doesn't work that way. You're a great

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Speaker 1: player and a bad franchise, and somebody like Howie Roseman

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Speaker 1: comes in like aj Brown, you know is on Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to win a Super Bowl. They don't

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Speaker 1: have the offense, but we have. We already have the offense.

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Speaker 1: You can be the icing. The way it works in

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Speaker 1: the NFL now, defensive players mostly can only be icing.

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Speaker 1: I mean Aaron Donald, as good as he was, it

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Speaker 1: was kind of Stafford and McVeigh that took them to

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Donald was great. The rules now dictate

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Speaker 1: that it's hard to be the centerpiece of an organization

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Speaker 1: as a defensive player, but on a good team again

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Speaker 1: playing with a lead late, and that's what Green Bay

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Speaker 1: is going to do. I remember once talking to Bill

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Speaker 1: Pulling the Hall of Fame GM with the Colts, and

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Speaker 1: he said, the minute we got Peyton Manning in house,

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Speaker 1: then we had to go draft an edge rusher. Because

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Speaker 1: we knew we were going to be leading games in

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter four out of five Sundays. We knew

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Speaker 1: we would be playing with a lead with Peyton Manning,

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Speaker 1: our job was to get somebody that would close out

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Speaker 1: the win. That was the second most important person that

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Speaker 1: wasn't wide receivers. It wasn't running backs, it was Peyton

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Speaker 1: and a game closing edge rusher. Well, when you look

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Speaker 1: at green Bay now, Matt Lafleur, a Jordan Love, really

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Speaker 1: good running games, strong receiver, tight end, talent, excellent. Green

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Speaker 1: Bay is going to lead ninety percent of the games

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Speaker 1: this year. That offense is going to be it is

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Speaker 1: going to be super productive. And it's still young. So

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Speaker 1: Green Bay is going to have about a three year

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Speaker 1: stretch with all I mean, they haven't missed on a receiver,

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Speaker 1: a tight end. I mean, green Bay does miss on

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Speaker 1: offensive draft picks much So they're gonna be leading most

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Speaker 1: of their games Dallas this year. Truth is, they're going

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Speaker 1: to be trailing most of their games. So teams aren't

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Speaker 1: going to be throwing late. They're gonna be trying to

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Speaker 1: drain the clock. So Micah just wasn't going to be

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Speaker 1: as valuable in Dallas as he is in green Bay.

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Speaker 1: It's the closer on a great baseball team that goes

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Speaker 1: into the eighth leading. That's the difference. So Mike in

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Speaker 1: Green Bay is a much better fit than he was

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Speaker 1: in Dallas. I mean, again, how many meaningless sacks does

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett have Miles Garrett, I mean four. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna make money anywhere. He's gonna be a Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer everywhere. How much bigger would Miles Garrett be,

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Speaker 1: you know, playing for the Rams the Chiefs, he would

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Speaker 1: be pass rusher team trails late. I mean if you

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Speaker 1: put him on that way. That's why the Rams went

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Speaker 1: and got von Miller. They had Aaron don They had it,

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Speaker 1: and they looked at it and they thought, Okay, Vaughn's

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Speaker 1: had injuries, Vaughn's a little older, but we're leading games late.

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Speaker 1: We need a closer next to Aaron because Aaron's getting

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Speaker 1: double in trouble team. That's why the Bills went and

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Speaker 1: got von Miller and overpaid for him. Their take was,

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Speaker 1: in our division, we're leading games in the fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: against New England, against Miami and the Jets. The only

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Speaker 1: way we don't win these games in division if we

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Speaker 1: can't get our quarterback back on the field, so von

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Speaker 1: Miller will get enough sacks. In Buffalo, they overpaid him,

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Speaker 1: but their take was, we're gonna be leading the Patriots

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Speaker 1: twice a year in the fourth, the Dolphins twice a

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Speaker 1: year in the fourth. We got to get their offense

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Speaker 1: off the field. Let's guarantee we get it back to

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Speaker 1: our quarter That's how you beat great quarterbacks. Make them

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Speaker 1: watch the game instead of take snaps. And so green

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Speaker 1: Bay's like, the only way you're gonna beat us in division.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna slow our offense down much. But if

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Speaker 1: you can run the ball on us, or you do

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Speaker 1: you get on a heater. We got to get your

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Speaker 1: quarterback off the field and our quarterback back on the field.

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Speaker 1: So there you go, Colin.

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Speaker 7: Did you see how many yards Washington rushed for against

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Speaker 7: the New York Giants, Washington obviously facing the Packers on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: How many two hundred and twenty yards on the ground?

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Speaker 3: Two twenty.

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Speaker 7: I think you've got to keep that offensive the Packers

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Speaker 7: off the field.

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Speaker 3: I expect this.

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Speaker 7: Kid Crosskey Merrit, the young rookie. Yes, fantasy darling, he

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Speaker 7: was good. Jaden had sixty eight yards. Austin Eckler are

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Speaker 7: reverse to Deebo. If Washington could add like a reliable

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Speaker 7: run game, that's an interesting I was not an element.

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Speaker 3: I expected for them to pop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the way you're going to beat green Bay. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's why green Bay gets a bit of a

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Speaker 1: break that Detroit's rebuilding their own line, so Detroit was

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Speaker 1: built to beat him this year, Detroit's not really built

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Speaker 1: to beat him because their old line and run game

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Speaker 1: won't be as dominant. All Right, Mark Sanchez around the

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Speaker 1: corner and he's bringing footage, Mark bringing Tate boy. It's

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Speaker 1: a beautiful day in Chicago, beautiful day their