WEBVTT - The Disturbing Disappearance of Tara Calico 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.320 Hey, everybody. I don't know if you've heard, but we 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.800 have a book coming out finally, finally, after all these years. 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:09.880 It's great, it's fun. You're gonna love it. It's called 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:14.400 Stuff You Should Know Colon, an incomplete compendium of mostly 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:19.759 interesting things, and it's twenty six jam packed chapters that 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:22.880 we wrote with another guy named Knows Parker, who's amazing 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:28.000 and is illustrated amazingly by our illustrator, Carl Manardo. 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So if you don't like true crime, 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.959 probably shouldn't listen to this one because it's about true 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:20.640 crime that goes along with and big time trigger warnings 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:24.920 on this one. If you have family members who have 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.160 been sexually assaulted or kidnapped, or if you have children 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.559 that you care about at all and they're even safe 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.920 in your home, this might be pretty upsetting for you 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:36.360 as it was as it was for me. Yeah, it 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.480 is a it's a very sad case just in of itself. 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:41.600 I mean, we're talking about the disappearance of a girl, 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:44.160 UM who was nineteen at the time. Her name was 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:48.720 Tara Calico, and she disappeared in New Mexico from the 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:53.040 area where she lived. UM. And just that just the 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.680 fact that she's she's never been found, like she basically 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:00.840 vanished almost without a trace. Um, that's sad enough. And 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.040 then the more you dig into the story, it's very sad, 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.720 but it also has some like does extra couple of 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.920 layers that your average like a true crime missing person, 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:14.480 probably murdered person's story goes that make this case like 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:21.919 one of the most fascinating recent true crime cases that 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:26.240 that I can think of. Yeah, yeah, I know you 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:30.480 didn't like this one at all. No, it was pretty upsetting, 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.679 So you feel like you can make it through this one, 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.600 I think, so it should be a laugh riot, right 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:42.200 as usual. Um so, Chuckles's just kind of give some 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.960 background on this case for everybody who's not familiar. Okay, Yeah, 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.960 here's the deal, and you know, ed help help us 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.040 put this together. And he takes great pains to point 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:55.280 out quite a few times that we don't know exactly 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:58.880 all the facts, but we know what we know from 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:03.480 accounts um to uh Tara's mom and a little bit 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.520 from some other family members and a little bit from 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.520 the case files, although I don't think all of those 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:13.720 are available still, but I don't know. I saw otherwise, 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.480 Like that's that's the problem with true crime, is like, 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:18.920 especially in the age of the Internet, stuff just gets 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.639 piled on with different weird facts that may or may 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.359 not be true, and you know, down to the down 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.359 to like are the case files still intact that kind 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.960 of thing. But yeah, so, so I think you're larger 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:33.960 points where we don't exactly know all of the details, right, Yeah, 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.600 what we do know is that in September twenty she 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.840 went for a bike ride. She was athletic and took 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:44.200 these very long bike rides anywhere from fifteen to thirty 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.760 something miles on a regular basis. She was in nineteen 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:51.960 years old, smart, smart young woman and a student at 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:56.200 University of New Mexico and was living in a place 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.240 called I guess Bellin, New Mexico b E L E N. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:05.160 I think it's bell En bell In. I think so. Yeah, 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.000 I think I heard somebody say it like that, Okay, 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:12.920 And she left at nine for this bike ride and 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:17.760 was last seen at eleven forty five on Highway forty seven, 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:22.839 which is kind of the standard route that she usually took. Apparently. Yeah. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.599 Um And there are just a couple other details about 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.120 taro Um. She was, like you said, she was an 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:32.240 intelligent person. Um. I believe she was a sophomore at 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.960 uh at In College and she was studying psychology or 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.000 psychiatry whyn't to. I don't think she decided yet, but 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.200 she was in the field of psychology. And she was 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.200 a bank teller too. And when she headed out that day, 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.440 um is very widely reported that she had told her mom, uh, 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.840 if I'm not back by noon, come looking for me. Um. 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.440 I saw that mostly reported that she had said it 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:58.000 kind of playfully, jokingly in jest, that kind of thing, 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.520 not that she had set out that day going knowing 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.919 that she was going to meet her her grim fate, um, 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.719 but that she had a walkman with her two and 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:11.000 that she was playing Boston. And I can only assume, 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:12.520 because she was out for a bike ry, that she 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:16.160 was listening to Boston's self titled debut album, which has 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.279 Don't Look Back in it, which would be excellent for 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:23.400 riding your bike too. Maybe so, or it could have 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.960 been the new one. It could have been. There's several 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:30.240 that they released afterwards, but Boston. She was listening to Boston, 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.120 just remember that, that's right. And she was on her 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:37.359 mom's bike, her Huffey bike, and she had a white 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:42.239 T shirt first National Bank of bell Ann and white shorts, 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:48.039 green stripes, white socks, tennis shoes, a butterfly ring with 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.560 a diamond insert amethyst stone ring and then ear rings 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.920 half inch half inch loop earrings. And she was last 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.400 seen chuck from what I from what I understand, on 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.679 her way back from her bike ride along Highway forty seven, 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:08.679 UM about I think like am or something like that. Um. 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:10.880 And then that was that was it, Like she was 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.600 just riding along listening to her headphones last time she 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.440 was seeing. The only other detail that UM adds like 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.400 a very cryptic twist to that last sighting, was that 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:25.120 she was reported um being followed. It looked like by 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.520 an old timey truck, like one from like the fifties, 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:32.479 I think a Ford truck. UM, like some weird color, 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.320 like a dirty gray or something like that. Yeah, and 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.680 the cops and there there will be a few different 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.279 people working on this case, as is usually the case 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.840 when it's missing persons, different agencies get involved. But in 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:48.760 this case, Valenca County Sheriff Romero, his name is Laurence Romero. 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.640 He said that they found some bicycle tracks about four 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.640 miles south of where she lived, and it looked like 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.839 to them that they the bicycle had been dragged off 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.880 the side of the road and then back and they 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.760 immediately thought that was pretty suspicious. And then when you 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.960 put it together with the details of this pickup truck, 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.360 then it was all of a sudden a pretty serious 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:15.560 case to them, right, Yeah, I mean, because you know, 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.200 if if you can't find a girl, she doesn't show 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.760 up home. Um when she says she's going to and 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.360 she makes that joking cryptic thing, of course, it's going 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.400 to terrify her mom, and it did terrify her mom. 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:31.960 Her mom's name was Patty dole Um and Patty was 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:37.600 married to John dole and Um. Through John, Tara had 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:42.480 two step siblings, Chris, her brother, and her sister step sister, 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:48.400 Michelle Um. And just immediately, Patty was very, very worried 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:50.880 when Tara didn't show up at home, and then once 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:54.400 the once the evidence started coming and she got increasingly worried. 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.880 And probably the most tragic figure in this entire story 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:03.040 um is Patty because from the moment like she started 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.680 to get worried till the day she died in two 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:10.640 thousand six, Um, she was worried. She was overwrought by this, 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.600 like it just took her over and consumed her Um. 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.400 But one of the things to her credit for sure, 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.800 as we'll see, is that she didn't just like collapse 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.480 and buckle and and give in, which she would have. 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.160 It would have been very understandable had she done that. 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.960 She instead channeled a lot of that fright and worry 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:32.319 and concern into action and spent like the most of 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.920 the rest of her life working tirelessly trying to figure 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.800 out what happened to her daughter, find some evidence, bring 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:42.680 her home. I don't think she ever gave up the um, 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.360 the idea that that Tara might still be out there 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.640 UM or at the very least bring bring her killers 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.880 to justice. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Tara 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.200 for the most tragic figure in this story. But it 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.400 was very sad what happened with her mom. She died 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.480 in two thousand six, um never getting any answers. Her 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:07.240 biological father died in two thousand two. Her stepfather, you know, 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.960 like anyone, still holds out hope, although he you know, 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:14.200 he readily admits this is from and the chances are 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.720 are almost zero that anything is ever gonna come to 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:20.040 fruition about this, but he did have She did have 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:23.120 family that was looking out for her, you know, basically 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.280 the rest of their lives. Yeah, for sure. And her 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.959 sister Michelle is still carrying that on. Like after Patty 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.000 died in two thousand and six, Michelle kind of took 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:37.640 over Patty's um role of just trying to figure figure 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.240 out what happened, trying to keep the story in the 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:44.880 case in the press um. And actually, while she was alive, 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.800 Patty and her husband John managed to get deputized by 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:53.079 the Valencia County Sheriffs, so they were they were actually 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.319 um allowed to carry guns. They were allowed to call 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:00.320 contact other law enforcement agencies on behalf of the Ancia 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:04.480 County Sheriff's Department UM to to investigate the case. UM. 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:06.719 That's the kind of like the level of dedication that 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.880 that they went to, UM, which is pretty pretty cool. 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.400 That that's you know how they channeled that, Yeah, the 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.400 the sweet late eighties when you needed to be deputized 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:20.400 to carry a gun, right exactly. Because when I read that, 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.400 I was like, it really took that back then. Yeah, 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.000 you think so New Mexico, man, they have it locked 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.360 down out there. So as far as clues go, they're 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.720 pretty scant. That's one of the most frustrating things about 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.680 this case. Uh. There are reports that they did find 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.320 a Boston cassette tape a few miles from where she 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.840 lived on that highway, and then a piece of a 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:48.720 walkman at a campground nineteen miles away. Uh. That seems 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.120 like a bit of a stretch to me. It was 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.920 a long way from Highway forty seven, but you never know. UM, 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:58.120 But there wasn't any like they didn't prove necessarily that 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.120 that was her tape or part of her walkman or 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:05.800 anything like that. No, they didn't, UM. But the I 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.720 saw in a couple of places, this is one of 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.600 those examples of the facts getting convoluted. I saw that 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.160 the Boston tape was found with the front of her 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:17.640 walkman at the same location. Um. And then also I 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:21.640 saw that it was found elsewhere. So who knows. UM, 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.480 But that is like one of like even that one 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:28.400 tangible fact is still questionable, and you can't even necessarily 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.880 link it directly to her, like you were saying, um, 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:33.960 and that was it, But that that's all that was found. 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.400 They didn't find either of her rings, they didn't find 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.960 her shoes, they never found her bike. They never found 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.880 anything except for those bike tire marks, um, which seemed 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:46.199 to be like a bike being dragged rather than ridden. Uh. 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.000 And then that Boston tape and maybe or not a 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:52.440 piece of the walkman. And again who knows if that 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.280 was her stuff or not. And they searched like like, 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:59.160 they searched the area pretty pretty thoroughly from what I understand. Yeah, 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.760 I mean, anytime there's a missing persons like this, you 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.360 you have the big line of people marching through the woods. 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.360 It's one of the saddest things that you can see 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:08.640 in a movie or TV show, And I can't I've 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:10.480 never seen one in real life, never want to see 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:12.360 one in real life. But it's uh, it's one of 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.480 the saddest things you can witnesses people literally combing a 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.200 field or the forest for for the body of somebody, 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:24.200 for sure. So this, uh, well, should we take a break. Yeah, 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:25.920 I think it's break time. All right, let's take a 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:27.520 break here, and we'll talk a little bit about some 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.480 of the things that happened after the disappearance. Right after this, 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:01.880 all right, So we mentioned, um, this truck, this pickup truck. 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.840 That's vehicle number one in this case that you need 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.440 to sort of take note of. Vehicle number two is 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.760 a white van with no windows, which those are always 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:16.000 a little bit scary. This was in nine nine June 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.720 fift so less than a year after her disappearance in 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:23.080 Port St. Joe, Florida. And wait a minute, chuck, how 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:26.280 would a white van in Port St. Joe, Florida a 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.720 year later have anything to do with the disappearance of 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:33.760 Tara Calico a year earlier in New Mexico. Well, it 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.199 may or may not. Um, but there was a little 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.440 piece of evidence potentially that was left behind. Uh. This 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.280 woman comes out of the convenient store, the van drives away, 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.200 and then she looks down and notices a polaroid on 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:49.040 the ground, UM that looked like it was inside of 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.240 a white van. I think they later determined it was 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:55.960 in fact from inside a van and on the inside 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.600 of the van. It was taken sort of from outside 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.400 looking in through the side door. Prole were a couple 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.360 of kids on some blankets and pillows. Uh, young boy 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:08.960 around ten and a young woman UM that looked like 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.800 she was probably a mid to late teenager, and they 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.600 were looked to be bound. Their hands were behind their back, 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.960 although you couldn't see rope necessarily, but I don't see 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.520 why you would assume anything else. They had duct tape 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:25.040 over their mouth. Uh, and they were kind of well tanned. 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:30.040 And it's pretty pretty disturbing, messed up picture. It's an 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:35.960 extremely disturbing picture. Um. It's it's it's alarming, actually, Like 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.400 when you see this and it sinks in what you're 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:42.160 looking at, it's a deeply alarming picture, especially when you 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.960 realize that like this is real, This was really found 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:50.200 in a junior food store parking lot in in Port St. Joe, Florida. 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:54.000 Like some poor lady like came across this picture and 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.880 was I'm sure just terrified. And the pictures is significant 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.320 enough that the moment they found it in like was 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.320 it was reported to authorities. They started setting up roadblocks 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:07.160 around the county Gulf County, Florida to try to find 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.720 this white van that the the woman who found the 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:13.120 picture had had seen parked in that parking spot when 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.160 she came when she went in and it was gone 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.680 when she came out and found the picture. Um, so 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.680 like it was. It's a very alarming picture and a 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:25.880 lot of people, um said, I think that's Tara Calico. 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.560 And the reason that Tara Calico found her family found 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.520 out about it is because a family friend had seen 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:33.720 it on a current affair, Like this photo was so 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:38.600 alarming and so sinister, um and also so inexplicable to 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.920 it was not immediately traced to anybody. It was not 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.160 you know, and came out immediately he was like, oh no, no, 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:45.880 that was a hoax. We were just kidding that kind 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.800 of thing. Um that it ended up on TV and 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:55.120 very quickly I guess Tara Calico's mom had seen the 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.320 Current Affair episode and said, that's that's Tara. And so 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:05.120 for from that moment on in until today, Uh, it's 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.560 that photos forever been linked to the Tara Calico case, 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.520 whether that's Tar or not. Yeah. And there were a 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.720 couple of other points about this picture. UM. Clearly visible 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.640 next to the young woman was the VC Andrews book 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.360 My Sweet Audrina. Um. You know. VC Andrews wrote Flowers 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:27.480 in the Attic and those kind of disturbing horror slash 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.160 I guess, I mean, I don't know if they were horror, 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.240 but uh there most of those books were about bad 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.720 things that happened to kids. Yeah, yeah, for sure, and 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:40.360 those the horrors is apt horror books. And the other 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:44.240 thing is that the young boy in the picture. Uh, 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.920 family immediately kind of came forward and said, hey, we 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.720 think that that is our son, Michael Henley. Um, he 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.440 disappeared on a camping trip in New Mexico and as well, 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.080 and I am just as the mom talking said, basically, 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.200 I'm just sure that's Um. That was later kind of 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.800 found out to not be true because about a year 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:09.919 after that they found his body, um death to exposure. 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.720 So it became pretty clear that he got lost in 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.840 the woods and died out there. Yeah, because his body 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.919 was found not very far from the camping site that 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.720 he disappeared from. So the chances that he had been 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.000 abducted from that camping site, UM, kept in a van, 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:30.280 taken to Port St. Joe, Florida, and then taken back 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.399 to New Mexico, or even just abducted and kept in 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.960 New Mexico, the chances are pretty slim. The chances are 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.040 far higher that he wandered off and died of exposure. 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.240 And that's what the coroner finally came up with. Two 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.480 ruled as as Michael Henley's death. But the fact that 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:48.120 Michael Henley disappeared in New Mexico, and that Tara Calico 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.159 disappeared in New Mexico, and that the two people, the 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.840 young woman and the boy in this picture resembled those 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.600 two just his. Like I said, it's inextricably linked that 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:03.120 photo to this um this case. Uh. And Tara's mom 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.359 apparently said forever that that she was sure that that 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.000 was her daughter. Um, she's there's a discoloration on um 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.880 the girl in the photo's leg. Uh that Tara's mom, 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:19.800 um said, matched her daughter's scar from a car accident 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.280 that she'd gotten in. Um, and I believe her sisters 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:27.240 said also, she said, Uh, if you had to ask me, 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.360 if I had to say yes or no, if that's 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.119 Tara in the photo, I would say yes. But I 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.840 also realized that you know this that that makes zero sense. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.320 That doesn't it just doesn't make sense for this case. Um, 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.399 But that photo, Chuck, I feel like, you know, a 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.080 lot of people link that photo to this case, but 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:49.040 that photos not even you know, guaranteed to be real. 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:52.000 There's a lot of points that people have raised over 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:53.879 the years that say, I don't know if this is 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:58.520 actually a photo of what what it seems to be depicting. Yeah, 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.920 I'm not sure I agree with any of the points either, 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.359 to be honest. Well, one of the big ones is 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:08.440 that it's never been matched to any missing person ever, right, Um, 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.359 there's no one's ever come forward, on the one hand 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.520 and said this is just a hoax, we were just kidding. Um, 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:17.680 you can call off your search. But on this, on 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.760 the other hand, no one's ever said this is this 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.119 is that boy and this is that girl that's missing. 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.440 So it seems unlikely that a family would be unaware 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:31.040 of that picture. A family that had taken that picture 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:32.639 as a hoax would be unaware of it and not 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.680 come forward. But it's doubly unlikely that two different families 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.439 with two different kids that have been abducted would not 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:41.560 be familiar with that picture, would be like, that's our 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:43.959 son or that's our daughter. That's a big one to me. 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.760 But there was another one where someone said that her 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:52.520 legs appeared to be shaved, and I think some people 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.639 might surmise that that would be unusual for an abduction victim. 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:01.800 I don't buy that, but that's what some people think of. Okay. Uh. 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:06.280 There's also if you look closely, um, the the the 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.840 people in the photos shoulders aren't distressed right there, not 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.720 in like just a stress position. They're actually kind of relaxed. 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:17.600 And if the if they were bound, um, because remember 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.520 the bindings aren't aren't visible in the photo. If they 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.960 were bound, their shoulders will be pinned back a lot 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:26.159 further than they are um in that photo, So it 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:29.960 suggests that they might not actually be bound, right. That's possible, 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.680 I guess. And then the last one that I saw 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.760 was the tape that it should be much redder around 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:40.720 the tape on their faces, um than it is if 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:44.760 they've been wearing that tape for any significant amount of time. Yeah, 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.160 I don't get that one. Um. I don't know why 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:49.159 that it's assumed that they had to be wearing the 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:51.840 tape for a significant amount of time because they were 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.639 wearing it in the picture. Well, I don't know that 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:57.480 it's saying like like, well, that proves that they weren't 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.800 actually abducted or being held hostage. I think what they're 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:03.160 saying is that suggests that it had just recently been 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.480 put on, Yeah, which I believe if someone was gonna 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:08.879 open the door to the van to take a picture 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.400 of two bound children that they had snatched, they would 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:13.480 probably put tape over their mouth before they opened the door, 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:17.040 would be my guess. The thing to me, the one 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:20.600 point of all that that that just strongly suggests to 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:24.120 me that that picture is not actually real, is that 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:28.719 it is never since being discovered in since being broadcast 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.800 on a current affair OPRAH, America's most wanted being all 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.800 over the internet, that no one has managed to link 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:38.719 it to either the boy or the young woman in 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.840 that picture. Uh, to a missing person that no one, 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:46.399 no one besides the Tara Calico's family, besides their family, 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:48.760 has come forward and been like, no, no, no, that's 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:52.040 our daughter. UM, that that to me says that I 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:54.480 I don't know. I don't I think it's I think 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:58.679 it might be a hoax. I guess I hate that 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.640 word these days, but I think that's what it is. Yeah, 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:04.560 And we also didn't point out that the Tara's mom 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.560 said that, Um, that book in the picture was her 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:12.359 favorite book. UM, so you know who knows it was 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:15.080 definitely an interesting piece of evidence if that was her 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.320 favorite book. Do you think that that was Tara Calico 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:20.560 in the picture or do you think you just think 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:23.959 that the picture was real, that wasn't necessarily her. I 0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:25.919 didn't study it, and I don't want to go on 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:28.320 record for having an opinion on whether or not that 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:33.280 was her. Okay, fair enough. UM. One thing we do 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:35.679 know though, is that you know this this picture, like 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:38.480 we said, it's it's alarming enough that that, um, the 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:41.520 FBI got involved as broadcast on national television and poll right. 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:43.639 It was a poll right, one of those um, the 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:46.560 ones that you wave in the air. Uh to develop 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:48.800 in just a few minutes. It was that kind of polaroid. 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:52.240 I'm polaroid. Analyzed it and said this this film that 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:54.400 this was taken on his film stock was n't available 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:57.800 until May of nine nine, so that that couldn't that 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:02.680 picture couldn't have been taken before May of nine, eight nine. Um. 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:06.639 So that's the picture and it's not necessarily connected to 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:10.000 the Tara Calico case, although as far as the world 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:13.199 is concerned, especially the world of online sleuths, it is 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:16.400 in some way or another always going to be connected 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:19.000 to the Tara Calico case from now on. Yeah. And 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:21.000