1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. I don't know if you've heard, but we 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: have a book coming out finally, finally, after all these years. 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: It's great, it's fun. You're gonna love it. It's called 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Stuff You Should Know Colon, an incomplete compendium of mostly 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: interesting things, and it's twenty six jam packed chapters that 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: we wrote with another guy named Knows Parker, who's amazing 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: and is illustrated amazingly by our illustrator, Carl Manardo. And 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: it's just an all around joy to pick up and read. 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: Even though we haven't physically held in our hands yet, 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: it's like we have Chuck in our dreams so far. 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: I can't wait to actually see and hold this thing 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: and smell it, and so should you, so pre order now. 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: It means a lot to us. The support is a 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: very big deal, so pre order anywhere books are sold. 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of My 16 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: podcast asked. I'm Josh Clark, there's Charles W. Scoop Bryant. Uh, 18 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: and this is Stuff You Should Know, one of our 19 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: infrequent true crime editions. So if you don't like true crime, 20 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: probably shouldn't listen to this one because it's about true 21 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: crime that goes along with and big time trigger warnings 22 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: on this one. If you have family members who have 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: been sexually assaulted or kidnapped, or if you have children 24 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 1: that you care about at all and they're even safe 25 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: in your home, this might be pretty upsetting for you 26 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: as it was as it was for me. Yeah, it 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: is a it's a very sad case just in of itself. 28 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about the disappearance of a girl, 29 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: UM who was nineteen at the time. Her name was 30 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: Tara Calico, and she disappeared in New Mexico from the 31 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: area where she lived. UM. And just that just the 32 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: fact that she's she's never been found, like she basically 33 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: vanished almost without a trace. Um, that's sad enough. And 34 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: then the more you dig into the story, it's very sad, 35 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: but it also has some like does extra couple of 36 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: layers that your average like a true crime missing person, 37 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: probably murdered person's story goes that make this case like 38 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: one of the most fascinating recent true crime cases that 39 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: that I can think of. Yeah, yeah, I know you 40 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: didn't like this one at all. No, it was pretty upsetting, 41 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 1: So you feel like you can make it through this one, 42 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: I think, so it should be a laugh riot, right 43 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: as usual. Um so, Chuckles's just kind of give some 44 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: background on this case for everybody who's not familiar. Okay, Yeah, 45 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: here's the deal, and you know, ed help help us 46 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: put this together. And he takes great pains to point 47 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: out quite a few times that we don't know exactly 48 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: all the facts, but we know what we know from 49 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: accounts um to uh Tara's mom and a little bit 50 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: from some other family members and a little bit from 51 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: the case files, although I don't think all of those 52 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: are available still, but I don't know. I saw otherwise, 53 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: Like that's that's the problem with true crime, is like, 54 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: especially in the age of the Internet, stuff just gets 55 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: piled on with different weird facts that may or may 56 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: not be true, and you know, down to the down 57 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: to like are the case files still intact that kind 58 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: of thing. But yeah, so, so I think you're larger 59 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: points where we don't exactly know all of the details, right, Yeah, 60 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: what we do know is that in September twenty she 61 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: went for a bike ride. She was athletic and took 62 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: these very long bike rides anywhere from fifteen to thirty 63 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: something miles on a regular basis. She was in nineteen 64 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: years old, smart, smart young woman and a student at 65 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: University of New Mexico and was living in a place 66 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: called I guess Bellin, New Mexico b E L E N. 67 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: I think it's bell En bell In. I think so. Yeah, 68 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: I think I heard somebody say it like that, Okay, 69 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: And she left at nine for this bike ride and 70 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: was last seen at eleven forty five on Highway forty seven, 71 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: which is kind of the standard route that she usually took. Apparently. Yeah. 72 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: Um And there are just a couple other details about 73 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: taro Um. She was, like you said, she was an 74 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: intelligent person. Um. I believe she was a sophomore at 75 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: uh at In College and she was studying psychology or 76 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: psychiatry whyn't to. I don't think she decided yet, but 77 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: she was in the field of psychology. And she was 78 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: a bank teller too. And when she headed out that day, 79 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: um is very widely reported that she had told her mom, uh, 80 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: if I'm not back by noon, come looking for me. Um. 81 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: I saw that mostly reported that she had said it 82 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: kind of playfully, jokingly in jest, that kind of thing, 83 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: not that she had set out that day going knowing 84 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: that she was going to meet her her grim fate, um, 85 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: but that she had a walkman with her two and 86 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: that she was playing Boston. And I can only assume, 87 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: because she was out for a bike ry, that she 88 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: was listening to Boston's self titled debut album, which has 89 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: Don't Look Back in it, which would be excellent for 90 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: riding your bike too. Maybe so, or it could have 91 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: been the new one. It could have been. There's several 92 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: that they released afterwards, but Boston. She was listening to Boston, 93 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: just remember that, that's right. And she was on her 94 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: mom's bike, her Huffey bike, and she had a white 95 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:42,239 Speaker 1: T shirt first National Bank of bell Ann and white shorts, 96 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: green stripes, white socks, tennis shoes, a butterfly ring with 97 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: a diamond insert amethyst stone ring and then ear rings 98 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: half inch half inch loop earrings. And she was last 99 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: seen chuck from what I from what I understand, on 100 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,679 Speaker 1: her way back from her bike ride along Highway forty seven, 101 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,679 Speaker 1: UM about I think like am or something like that. Um. 102 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: And then that was that was it, Like she was 103 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: just riding along listening to her headphones last time she 104 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: was seeing. The only other detail that UM adds like 105 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: a very cryptic twist to that last sighting, was that 106 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: she was reported um being followed. It looked like by 107 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: an old timey truck, like one from like the fifties, 108 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: I think a Ford truck. UM, like some weird color, 109 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: like a dirty gray or something like that. Yeah, and 110 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: the cops and there there will be a few different 111 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: people working on this case, as is usually the case 112 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: when it's missing persons, different agencies get involved. But in 113 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: this case, Valenca County Sheriff Romero, his name is Laurence Romero. 114 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: He said that they found some bicycle tracks about four 115 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: miles south of where she lived, and it looked like 116 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: to them that they the bicycle had been dragged off 117 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: the side of the road and then back and they 118 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: immediately thought that was pretty suspicious. And then when you 119 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: put it together with the details of this pickup truck, 120 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: then it was all of a sudden a pretty serious 121 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: case to them, right, Yeah, I mean, because you know, 122 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: if if you can't find a girl, she doesn't show 123 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: up home. Um when she says she's going to and 124 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: she makes that joking cryptic thing, of course, it's going 125 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: to terrify her mom, and it did terrify her mom. 126 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: Her mom's name was Patty dole Um and Patty was 127 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: married to John dole and Um. Through John, Tara had 128 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: two step siblings, Chris, her brother, and her sister step sister, 129 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: Michelle Um. And just immediately, Patty was very, very worried 130 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: when Tara didn't show up at home, and then once 131 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: the once the evidence started coming and she got increasingly worried. 132 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: And probably the most tragic figure in this entire story 133 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: um is Patty because from the moment like she started 134 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: to get worried till the day she died in two 135 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: thousand six, Um, she was worried. She was overwrought by this, 136 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: like it just took her over and consumed her Um. 137 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: But one of the things to her credit for sure, 138 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: as we'll see, is that she didn't just like collapse 139 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: and buckle and and give in, which she would have. 140 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: It would have been very understandable had she done that. 141 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: She instead channeled a lot of that fright and worry 142 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: and concern into action and spent like the most of 143 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: the rest of her life working tirelessly trying to figure 144 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: out what happened to her daughter, find some evidence, bring 145 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: her home. I don't think she ever gave up the um, 146 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: the idea that that Tara might still be out there 147 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: UM or at the very least bring bring her killers 148 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: to justice. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Tara 149 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: for the most tragic figure in this story. But it 150 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: was very sad what happened with her mom. She died 151 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: in two thousand six, um never getting any answers. Her 152 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: biological father died in two thousand two. Her stepfather, you know, 153 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: like anyone, still holds out hope, although he you know, 154 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: he readily admits this is from and the chances are 155 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: are almost zero that anything is ever gonna come to 156 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: fruition about this, but he did have She did have 157 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: family that was looking out for her, you know, basically 158 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: the rest of their lives. Yeah, for sure. And her 159 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: sister Michelle is still carrying that on. Like after Patty 160 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: died in two thousand and six, Michelle kind of took 161 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: over Patty's um role of just trying to figure figure 162 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: out what happened, trying to keep the story in the 163 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: case in the press um. And actually, while she was alive, 164 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: Patty and her husband John managed to get deputized by 165 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: the Valencia County Sheriffs, so they were they were actually 166 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: um allowed to carry guns. They were allowed to call 167 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: contact other law enforcement agencies on behalf of the Ancia 168 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Department UM to to investigate the case. UM. 169 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: That's the kind of like the level of dedication that 170 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: that they went to, UM, which is pretty pretty cool. 171 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: That that's you know how they channeled that, Yeah, the 172 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: the sweet late eighties when you needed to be deputized 173 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: to carry a gun, right exactly. Because when I read that, 174 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: I was like, it really took that back then. Yeah, 175 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: you think so New Mexico, man, they have it locked 176 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: down out there. So as far as clues go, they're 177 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: pretty scant. That's one of the most frustrating things about 178 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: this case. Uh. There are reports that they did find 179 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: a Boston cassette tape a few miles from where she 180 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: lived on that highway, and then a piece of a 181 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: walkman at a campground nineteen miles away. Uh. That seems 182 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: like a bit of a stretch to me. It was 183 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: a long way from Highway forty seven, but you never know. UM, 184 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: But there wasn't any like they didn't prove necessarily that 185 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: that was her tape or part of her walkman or 186 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: anything like that. No, they didn't, UM. But the I 187 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: saw in a couple of places, this is one of 188 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: those examples of the facts getting convoluted. I saw that 189 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: the Boston tape was found with the front of her 190 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: walkman at the same location. Um. And then also I 191 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: saw that it was found elsewhere. So who knows. UM, 192 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: But that is like one of like even that one 193 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: tangible fact is still questionable, and you can't even necessarily 194 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: link it directly to her, like you were saying, um, 195 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: and that was it, But that that's all that was found. 196 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: They didn't find either of her rings, they didn't find 197 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: her shoes, they never found her bike. They never found 198 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: anything except for those bike tire marks, um, which seemed 199 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: to be like a bike being dragged rather than ridden. Uh. 200 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: And then that Boston tape and maybe or not a 201 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: piece of the walkman. And again who knows if that 202 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: was her stuff or not. And they searched like like, 203 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: they searched the area pretty pretty thoroughly from what I understand. Yeah, 204 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: I mean, anytime there's a missing persons like this, you 205 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: you have the big line of people marching through the woods. 206 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: It's one of the saddest things that you can see 207 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: in a movie or TV show, And I can't I've 208 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: never seen one in real life, never want to see 209 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: one in real life. But it's uh, it's one of 210 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: the saddest things you can witnesses people literally combing a 211 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: field or the forest for for the body of somebody, 212 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: for sure. So this, uh, well, should we take a break. Yeah, 213 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: I think it's break time. All right, let's take a 214 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: break here, and we'll talk a little bit about some 215 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: of the things that happened after the disappearance. Right after this, 216 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: all right, So we mentioned, um, this truck, this pickup truck. 217 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: That's vehicle number one in this case that you need 218 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: to sort of take note of. Vehicle number two is 219 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: a white van with no windows, which those are always 220 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: a little bit scary. This was in nine nine June 221 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: fift so less than a year after her disappearance in 222 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: Port St. Joe, Florida. And wait a minute, chuck, how 223 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: would a white van in Port St. Joe, Florida a 224 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: year later have anything to do with the disappearance of 225 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: Tara Calico a year earlier in New Mexico. Well, it 226 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: may or may not. Um, but there was a little 227 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: piece of evidence potentially that was left behind. Uh. This 228 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: woman comes out of the convenient store, the van drives away, 229 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: and then she looks down and notices a polaroid on 230 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: the ground, UM that looked like it was inside of 231 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: a white van. I think they later determined it was 232 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: in fact from inside a van and on the inside 233 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: of the van. It was taken sort of from outside 234 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: looking in through the side door. Prole were a couple 235 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: of kids on some blankets and pillows. Uh, young boy 236 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: around ten and a young woman UM that looked like 237 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: she was probably a mid to late teenager, and they 238 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: were looked to be bound. Their hands were behind their back, 239 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: although you couldn't see rope necessarily, but I don't see 240 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: why you would assume anything else. They had duct tape 241 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: over their mouth. Uh, and they were kind of well tanned. 242 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: And it's pretty pretty disturbing, messed up picture. It's an 243 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: extremely disturbing picture. Um. It's it's it's alarming, actually, Like 244 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: when you see this and it sinks in what you're 245 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: looking at, it's a deeply alarming picture, especially when you 246 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: realize that like this is real, This was really found 247 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: in a junior food store parking lot in in Port St. Joe, Florida. 248 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: Like some poor lady like came across this picture and 249 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: was I'm sure just terrified. And the pictures is significant 250 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: enough that the moment they found it in like was 251 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: it was reported to authorities. They started setting up roadblocks 252 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: around the county Gulf County, Florida to try to find 253 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: this white van that the the woman who found the 254 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: picture had had seen parked in that parking spot when 255 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: she came when she went in and it was gone 256 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: when she came out and found the picture. Um, so 257 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: like it was. It's a very alarming picture and a 258 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: lot of people, um said, I think that's Tara Calico. 259 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: And the reason that Tara Calico found her family found 260 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: out about it is because a family friend had seen 261 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: it on a current affair, Like this photo was so 262 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: alarming and so sinister, um and also so inexplicable to 263 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: it was not immediately traced to anybody. It was not 264 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, and came out immediately he was like, oh no, no, 265 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: that was a hoax. We were just kidding that kind 266 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: of thing. Um that it ended up on TV and 267 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: very quickly I guess Tara Calico's mom had seen the 268 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: Current Affair episode and said, that's that's Tara. And so 269 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: for from that moment on in until today, Uh, it's 270 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: that photos forever been linked to the Tara Calico case, 271 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: whether that's Tar or not. Yeah. And there were a 272 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: couple of other points about this picture. UM. Clearly visible 273 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: next to the young woman was the VC Andrews book 274 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: My Sweet Audrina. Um. You know. VC Andrews wrote Flowers 275 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: in the Attic and those kind of disturbing horror slash 276 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: I guess, I mean, I don't know if they were horror, 277 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: but uh there most of those books were about bad 278 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: things that happened to kids. Yeah, yeah, for sure, and 279 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: those the horrors is apt horror books. And the other 280 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: thing is that the young boy in the picture. Uh, 281 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: family immediately kind of came forward and said, hey, we 282 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: think that that is our son, Michael Henley. Um, he 283 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: disappeared on a camping trip in New Mexico and as well, 284 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: and I am just as the mom talking said, basically, 285 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm just sure that's Um. That was later kind of 286 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: found out to not be true because about a year 287 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: after that they found his body, um death to exposure. 288 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: So it became pretty clear that he got lost in 289 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: the woods and died out there. Yeah, because his body 290 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: was found not very far from the camping site that 291 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: he disappeared from. So the chances that he had been 292 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: abducted from that camping site, UM, kept in a van, 293 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: taken to Port St. Joe, Florida, and then taken back 294 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: to New Mexico, or even just abducted and kept in 295 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: New Mexico, the chances are pretty slim. The chances are 296 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: far higher that he wandered off and died of exposure. 297 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: And that's what the coroner finally came up with. Two 298 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: ruled as as Michael Henley's death. But the fact that 299 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: Michael Henley disappeared in New Mexico, and that Tara Calico 300 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: disappeared in New Mexico, and that the two people, the 301 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: young woman and the boy in this picture resembled those 302 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: two just his. Like I said, it's inextricably linked that 303 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: photo to this um this case. Uh. And Tara's mom 304 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: apparently said forever that that she was sure that that 305 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: was her daughter. Um, she's there's a discoloration on um 306 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: the girl in the photo's leg. Uh that Tara's mom, 307 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: um said, matched her daughter's scar from a car accident 308 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: that she'd gotten in. Um, and I believe her sisters 309 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: said also, she said, Uh, if you had to ask me, 310 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: if I had to say yes or no, if that's 311 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: Tara in the photo, I would say yes. But I 312 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: also realized that you know this that that makes zero sense. 313 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: That doesn't it just doesn't make sense for this case. Um, 314 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: But that photo, Chuck, I feel like, you know, a 315 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: lot of people link that photo to this case, but 316 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: that photos not even you know, guaranteed to be real. 317 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: There's a lot of points that people have raised over 318 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: the years that say, I don't know if this is 319 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: actually a photo of what what it seems to be depicting. Yeah, 320 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I agree with any of the points either, 321 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: to be honest. Well, one of the big ones is 322 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: that it's never been matched to any missing person ever, right, Um, 323 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: there's no one's ever come forward, on the one hand 324 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: and said this is just a hoax, we were just kidding. Um, 325 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: you can call off your search. But on this, on 326 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: the other hand, no one's ever said this is this 327 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: is that boy and this is that girl that's missing. 328 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: So it seems unlikely that a family would be unaware 329 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: of that picture. A family that had taken that picture 330 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: as a hoax would be unaware of it and not 331 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: come forward. But it's doubly unlikely that two different families 332 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: with two different kids that have been abducted would not 333 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: be familiar with that picture, would be like, that's our 334 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,959 Speaker 1: son or that's our daughter. That's a big one to me. 335 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: But there was another one where someone said that her 336 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: legs appeared to be shaved, and I think some people 337 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: might surmise that that would be unusual for an abduction victim. 338 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: I don't buy that, but that's what some people think of. Okay. Uh. 339 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: There's also if you look closely, um, the the the 340 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: people in the photos shoulders aren't distressed right there, not 341 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: in like just a stress position. They're actually kind of relaxed. 342 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: And if the if they were bound, um, because remember 343 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: the bindings aren't aren't visible in the photo. If they 344 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: were bound, their shoulders will be pinned back a lot 345 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: further than they are um in that photo, So it 346 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: suggests that they might not actually be bound, right. That's possible, 347 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: I guess. And then the last one that I saw 348 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: was the tape that it should be much redder around 349 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: the tape on their faces, um than it is if 350 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: they've been wearing that tape for any significant amount of time. Yeah, 351 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: I don't get that one. Um. I don't know why 352 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: that it's assumed that they had to be wearing the 353 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: tape for a significant amount of time because they were 354 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: wearing it in the picture. Well, I don't know that 355 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: it's saying like like, well, that proves that they weren't 356 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: actually abducted or being held hostage. I think what they're 357 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: saying is that suggests that it had just recently been 358 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: put on, Yeah, which I believe if someone was gonna 359 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: open the door to the van to take a picture 360 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: of two bound children that they had snatched, they would 361 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: probably put tape over their mouth before they opened the door, 362 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: would be my guess. The thing to me, the one 363 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: point of all that that that just strongly suggests to 364 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: me that that picture is not actually real, is that 365 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,719 Speaker 1: it is never since being discovered in since being broadcast 366 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: on a current affair OPRAH, America's most wanted being all 367 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: over the internet, that no one has managed to link 368 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 1: it to either the boy or the young woman in 369 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: that picture. Uh, to a missing person that no one, 370 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: no one besides the Tara Calico's family, besides their family, 371 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: has come forward and been like, no, no, no, that's 372 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: our daughter. UM, that that to me says that I 373 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't I think it's I think 374 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: it might be a hoax. I guess I hate that 375 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: word these days, but I think that's what it is. Yeah, 376 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: And we also didn't point out that the Tara's mom 377 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: said that, Um, that book in the picture was her 378 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: favorite book. UM, so you know who knows it was 379 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: definitely an interesting piece of evidence if that was her 380 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: favorite book. Do you think that that was Tara Calico 381 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: in the picture or do you think you just think 382 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,959 Speaker 1: that the picture was real, that wasn't necessarily her. I 383 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: didn't study it, and I don't want to go on 384 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: record for having an opinion on whether or not that 385 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: was her. Okay, fair enough. UM. One thing we do 386 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: know though, is that you know this this picture, like 387 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: we said, it's it's alarming enough that that, um, the 388 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: FBI got involved as broadcast on national television and poll right. 389 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: It was a poll right, one of those um, the 390 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: ones that you wave in the air. Uh to develop 391 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: in just a few minutes. It was that kind of polaroid. 392 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm polaroid. Analyzed it and said this this film that 393 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: this was taken on his film stock was n't available 394 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: until May of nine nine, so that that couldn't that 395 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: picture couldn't have been taken before May of nine, eight nine. Um. 396 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: So that's the picture and it's not necessarily connected to 397 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: the Tara Calico case, although as far as the world 398 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 1: is concerned, especially the world of online sleuths, it is 399 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: in some way or another always going to be connected 400 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: to the Tara Calico case from now on. Yeah. And 401 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: there were some other pictures over the years that have 402 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: come out that um are also not connected, yet somehow 403 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: connected because of the Internet. And there was there was 404 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: one that was a couple of people joking around on 405 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: a train. It looks like a young woman and a 406 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: guy a little bit older. Um. And to me, it 407 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: just looks like two people gooping around on a train. 408 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure why so sinister. Uh. The other one 409 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: is another young woman with tape over her mouth. And 410 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: there's a similary similarity to the stripe pillow as that polaroid. 411 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: And it was found in California at a construction site. 412 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: But you can't, um, you can't really identify much about 413 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: her all. And I think the only reason it's connected 414 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: is because, hey, it's another picture of a young woman 415 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,479 Speaker 1: with tape on her mouth. Yeah, it looks vaguely like her. 416 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: And that's That's not like if you go on to 417 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: Reddit or web Salutes or any of these online forums 418 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: about this case, there's at least several other photos that 419 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: have been associated over time that seemed to just be like, 420 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: here's an amateur B D s M photo that somebody 421 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: took and I found somewhere, and I think that's Tara 422 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: Calico and this is evidence rather than this is just 423 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: somebody's picture from you know, a wild Saturday night or 424 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: something like that. For the Internet definitely has that effect 425 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: for sure. So chuck before, UM, I guess that's a 426 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: pretty good place to put an ad brake on. Then 427 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: maybe we'll come back and talk about conspiracies. Yeah, let's 428 00:24:45,920 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: do it. Okay, we'll be right back everybody. So there 429 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: are a couple of conspiracies that have emerged over the 430 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: years since then, many many years later, in two thousand eight, 431 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: h the Sheriff of Valencia County at the time Renee 432 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: Rivera said that he had some information about what happened 433 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: and he was just waiting to release this information. He 434 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: wanted to build an airtight case, get all the evidence in, 435 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: perhaps even locate her body. And uh here here was 436 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: the quote. The information I have is at the truck 437 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: accidentally ended up hitting her. I believe the truck bumped 438 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: her bike, at which time she fell to the side 439 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: of the road. From there, the individuals took her. And 440 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: remember the truck that he's referencing, is that truck that 441 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: was supposedly following her when she was last seen at 442 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: five am. That's right, And that she was killed later 443 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: on maybe because she threatened to call the cops or something, 444 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: and that there could be a couple of extra people 445 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: involved in this case, right, so he said, But I'm 446 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: not going to be arresting anybody because we don't have 447 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: a body yet, and I want to have a body. Um, 448 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna sit here and hold press conferences instead. 449 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: And um John Dole, Tara's stepfather, came out publicly and 450 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: it's like that was the dumbest thing I've heard in 451 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: a very long time. Like, okay, if you if you 452 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: want like an air tight case. And you need to 453 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: find Tara's body to do that, fine, but you don't 454 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: publicize everything else, you know, because to John Dole, that 455 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: was it seemed like a bit of a warning, um, 456 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: to the to the suspects that were out there at 457 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: the very least, it just seemed foolish to him, or 458 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: a waste of time. Um. And the thing is is 459 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: that Sheriff Rivera, who I believe is still the Valencia 460 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: County ere um, hasn't made any arrests since that press conference. Uh. 461 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: And admittedly Tar's body has not been found, but that 462 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: just does seem like a weird thing to do. So 463 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: that was kind of like one of the first things 464 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: that that kind of reinvigorated this case that had managed 465 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: to be kept alive over the nineties, um, but really 466 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: started to kind of come back in the two thousands 467 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: and and UM. You know, multiple lights have been shown 468 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: on it. But even beyond like you know, somebody doing 469 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: a story on it or a follow up or an 470 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: interview with her sister brother or something. Um, the police 471 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: investigations into he kind of like peaks um or increased 472 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: interests in the two thousand's as well. Yeah, so now 473 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: a character enters name Melinda Eskibell, and she is a 474 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: blogger and a podcaster and I guess one of these 475 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: salus and had done a lot of work on this case. 476 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: And apparently at one point, and this was about two 477 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: thousand ten, was at least that she was working on 478 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: a documentary film about Tara and that she had information 479 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: on the body and that she was being followed and 480 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: the threats were being made. So in two thousand and ten, 481 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: UM state Police officer in New Mexico author or ties 482 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: he was brought in for a meeting about this case, 483 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: mainly because of what was going on with Escabell and 484 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: her research and what she said. Yeah, she said she 485 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: was getting death threats, right, yes, So that that actually 486 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: kind of um reinvigorated this case. Uh well it almost did, 487 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: or tease started to kind of look into it a 488 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: little more, but was eventually told like, hey, that's the 489 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: Valencia County Sheriff's case and just leave it to them. 490 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: So we're going to reassign you. And that was that. Apparently, um, 491 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: the death threats or um, I guess that was death 492 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: threats that Melinda Escobell said she was getting were enough 493 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: to make her of to l a UM and then 494 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: later on she came back and started uh investigating the 495 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: case again with Michelle Dole, Tara's step sister, and they 496 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: released a podcast called Vanished the Tear the Tar Calico 497 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: Story UM about this investigation. Um, that was I believe 498 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: revealed some new some new facts and definitely pieced a 499 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: lot of stuff together. Yeah. So back in two thousand 500 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: and ten, when Ortiz got this information, he met with 501 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: Sheriff Rivera, and Rivera, for his part, said, you know what, Um, 502 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: there was a thorough investigation. Uh, we identified three possible suspects, 503 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: one of them is dead now, and I also got 504 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: some information about where this body might be. And basically, uh, 505 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: there's who was Captain dong Dongas. So that it sounds 506 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: fun and I guess worked alongside Rivera. Is that what 507 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: it was? It was kind of hard to tell that 508 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: was what I got as well. I mean it's a 509 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: quote from Mortiz and he's just kind of presuming everybody 510 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: who's reading this quote understands who Captain Dongas is. Maybe 511 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: it's Sheriff Rivera's imaginary friend or something. Captain. It does 512 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: sound like that. It does neither be one joke in here. Uh. 513 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: So Dongas advised advised him that there was a you know, 514 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: a dig basically at this location where they thought the 515 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: body was and that they didn't find anything, but they did, uh, 516 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: they did dig for the body at this place. Right. 517 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: And then, like I said, Otis basically gets moved off 518 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: of the case because he's state police and this is 519 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: Valencia Counties turf. Um. So, so that was that was 520 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: kind of like a UM. That was two thousand and ten, 521 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: and that was some some new fresh blood investigation injected 522 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: into the case. Um. And then in two thousand and thirteen, uh, 523 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: the state police interviewed a guy named Frank Methola who 524 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: was a former deputy with the Valencia County Sheriff's Department. Um, 525 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: he's not any longer. He apparently was kind of drummed 526 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: out of the sheriff's office. Um, possibly for stuff that 527 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: was unrelated to that I saw. He was arrested while 528 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: he was still a sheriff's deputy because he had failed 529 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: to appear in court for causing a crash in a 530 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: neighborhood during like a high speed chase. Yeah, so it's 531 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: possible that something like that led to his dismissal. But regardless, 532 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: he came forward after he was no longer a deputy 533 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: and said, um, hey, while I was a deputy, I 534 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: interviewed this guy named Henry Brown, and Henry Brown was 535 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: said he was dying and he needed to get something 536 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,239 Speaker 1: off of his chest. And um, he he gave an 537 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: official statement. And this statement, from what I understand, definitely 538 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: exists and has been verified. This isn't just like hearsay, 539 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,239 Speaker 1: but that um Henry Brown said, I was friends with 540 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: this guy. Um. And his name was Lawrence Romero Jr. 541 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: And laur Tramaro Junior was not a he was a 542 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: bit of a He was not he was not a 543 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: good guy necessarily from what I understand. Um, but he 544 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: was the sheriff's son, Lawrence Ramiro Junior at the time 545 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: that um that all this happened, that Tara Calico went missing. Uh, 546 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: he was the sheriff of Valencia County. And UM, Henry 547 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: Brown said, I was friends with Junior and one day 548 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: I was hanging out at Junior's house and the subject 549 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: of Tara Calico came up, and before I knew it, Uh, 550 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: Laurence Ramiro Junior and another guy were admitting that they 551 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: had killed her, and that her body had been right 552 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: there where we were sitting not too long before, um, 553 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: which they had moved her body after they started searching 554 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: for and then they took her and moved her to 555 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: a pond later on, and that's where she remains. But 556 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: that he definitely killed her and the reason why nothing 557 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: ever came of it because he was the sheriff's son 558 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: and that apparently was given. UM, that's that statement was 559 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: given and written down and taken into into the record 560 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: by the Valencia County Sheriff's department. Yeah, and apparently some 561 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: of these guys were involved with dealing drugs, and UM, 562 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,239 Speaker 1: that may have had something to do with it. There 563 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: was also a report in that statement that it was 564 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: sort of a conspiracy in that Um that Deputy Rivera 565 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: had their backs was the direct quote. UM. So you know, 566 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: maybe because the sun was in deep trouble, the deputy 567 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: got involved and made sure that that sort of stayed buried. UM. 568 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: But again this is you know, I think to call 569 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: this hearsay is pretty pretty accurate, but it's also a 570 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: pretty juicy deathbed story, which you know, these always play 571 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: well in these kind of cases, for sure. I also 572 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: saw that there was another guy who who gave a 573 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: third hand confession or second hand confession like that said 574 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: that UM Laurence Romero Junior confessed to him as well. 575 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: And Lawrence Romero Junior died in from a self inflicted 576 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: gunshot wound. And it's not clear whether Um he died 577 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,959 Speaker 1: by suicide or other people say that he was playing 578 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: Russian Roulette very foolishly and it did not go so well. 579 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: But either way, he died in UM within a couple 580 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: of years of Tara Colico's disappearance. UM so at the time, again, 581 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: his father was Sheriff of Valencia County, and this deputy Rivera, 582 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: who supposedly had the um the Romero's backs, became sheriff 583 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: later and is now still Sheriff of Valencia County. From 584 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: what we understand, UM and what's weird though, is a 585 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: lot of that statement jibes with Rivera's weirdo press conference 586 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: that he held in two thousand and eight, that that 587 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: these these kids had you know, she was being followed 588 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: into trunk, she was bumped by a truck, she was 589 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 1: bumped by from behind, she was killed, that the people's 590 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: family helped them cover up the crime. Um, he just 591 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 1: stopped short of saying who it was, and that was 592 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: it's just very odd if he was the one that 593 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: was helping cover things up. To have that press conference 594 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: is a is a very odd thing to do if 595 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: you're in on it, you know. Yeah. And the one 596 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: thing we didn't mention earlier that's pretty important too. If 597 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: if you think back to that polaroid, Uh, if you're 598 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: asking yourself, like, surely they analyzed this thing for real 599 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: and it's not just up to Internet people to to 600 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: compare photos. Uh. There were a few different organizations that 601 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: looked into it, and they very frustratingly. One said yes, 602 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: we think that's our one said no, that's not, and 603 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: one said, well, we can't be sure. So that just 604 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: leads to the frustration. To literally have three groups looking 605 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: into this and each of them have a different take 606 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: on it kind of leads you back to nowhere for sure. 607 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 1: And if it's frustrating for us or for the web 608 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: sleuths or whoever's listening, Um, think of what it's like 609 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: for the family, you know, to hear you you you 610 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: just rather hear everybody say yes or everybody say no 611 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: to have it just inconclusive like that or contradictories just 612 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: gotta make it so much harder. But ultimately, when you 613 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: put all the pieces on the table, which one makes 614 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: more sense That she was killed locally and it was 615 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: covered up by some local families who had the ability 616 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: to cover it up, or that she was abducted and 617 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,479 Speaker 1: ended up somehow in a polaroid in Port St. Joe, 618 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: Florida a year later. Um, And I think that's what 619 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: her sister was saying, where where she was saying. And 620 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: if I look at this photograph, I know that it's Tara. 621 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: But I also realized that that explanation makes the least 622 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: sense of all of the explanations that are out there, 623 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: so that the case is still ongoing. In two thousand nineteen, 624 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: the FBI, apparently out of nowhere, released a dollar reward 625 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: for information on the Tara Calico case. No one apparently 626 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: has any idea what prompted them to do that or 627 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: why they did it. Um, but it's out there. So 628 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: if you know anything about Tara Calico's disappearance, uh, and 629 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: you want to make a cool twenty grand, get in 630 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: touch with the FBI, or don't even do it for 631 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: the money, do it for the humanity. How about that? Yeah? Uh, 632 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: and that's it? Huh? You got anything else? I got 633 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: nothing else? Well? Then, uh, I guess that's it for 634 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: the Tara Calico case, hopefully for now. And since I 635 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:29,439 Speaker 1: said that, it's time for a listener, Mayo, I'm gonna 636 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: call this math math math. Oh. I was hoping you're 637 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: gonna either ignore this or you hadn't seen it at all. Well, 638 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: I don't even know if. I mean, if this person 639 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: is right, this could be one of those great ones 640 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: wherein someone corrects the correction. That would be great somebody. Hey, 641 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: guys listening to one podcast and responding to Chuck's anticipation 642 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: for correction of Josh's math. Um, Josh, your competence and 643 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: certainty in your math or charming and inspiring. And I 644 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: appreciate it when people say something with conviction. Um. Now 645 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: onto the sour part. Josh, you almost had the math right, 646 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: but for some reason, you stated that the last seven 647 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: digits range from technically one million to nine million. N 648 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 1: this were true, then you would be correct in your calculations. 649 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: But according to what I can find, that does not 650 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: seem to be the case. The SEC website untold free 651 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: number spells out prefixes which are available, but it does 652 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: not provide a restricted range available for the last seven digits. 653 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: If you enter zero zero zero zero zero zero zero 654 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: as the last seven digits to check that if a 655 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: number is available, there is no information about that being 656 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 1: an invalid option. M I'm not quite sure. I follow. 657 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 1: For example, I checked one, eight, three three all zeros, 658 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,879 Speaker 1: and it said there that it was available. So then 659 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,280 Speaker 1: that brings us the range from all zeros to all nines, 660 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: which provides us with ten million, not nine million. Uh sorry, Josh. 661 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: So when you multiply that by seven prefixes, you get 662 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: seventy million combos seven times nine million, and sixty three million, 663 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,760 Speaker 1: not fifty four million. The only reason that I'm sending 664 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 1: this emails not to draw attention to a well, actually 665 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: you did the math rong liar, but rather because Chuck 666 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 1: drew attention to it, So blame him, Josh, Okay, all right, 667 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: I'll go with that. Can I blame you both? Sure? 668 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: I think that's most appropriate. And that's from Noah in Philadelphia. 669 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: We saw you guys at the Bell House. My sister 670 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: and I saw you for her birthday. Please give a 671 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: shout out to Becca if this ends up on the show. 672 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: So Hello Becca, Happy very belated birthday, Becca. Well she's 673 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 1: had another one since then. Happy birthdays. I guess we 674 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: do the Bellhouse in October, so it's coming up, yeah 675 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: in who knows. Um. Well, thanks a lot, Noah, and 676 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: thanks to you and Becca for coming to see us live. 677 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: Eventually we will be out there live again. Yes, it 678 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 1: will be nice, so keep an ear out. I don't 679 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,720 Speaker 1: know when, but we will eventually. And in the meantime, 680 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: if you want to get in touch with us, you 681 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: can do it by email. Send it off to Stuff 682 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: podcast at iHeart radio dot com. Stuff you Should Know 683 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: is a production of iHeart Radios. How stuff works for 684 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: more podcasts for my heart radio because at the iHeart 685 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your 686 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: favorite shows. H